Dragon Ball Super

[TurtleTitan97]

Even though we already have a Dragon Ball discussion thread in this section, I figured I'd go ahead and make this thread since the other one deals with the first series and DBZ.

Anyway, here's the first Japanese teaser for the new series:

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Translation:

Goku: Hey, I'm Goku.
Goku: Crossing 18 years of time, it's time to enter a new series!!
Goku: Dragon Ball Super premieres in July!
Text: Every Sunday at 9:00 a.m.
Text: Original Creator, Original Story & Character Concepts: Akira Toriyama
Goku: Everyone, please be sure to catch our new battles.
Text: Sponsored by Bandai Namco Entertainment

[ssjup81]

I can't help but wonder what the story will be.

[snake]

I can't wait for this. When will the first episode air? Besides July, of course.

[CyberCubed]

Goten and Trunks are still kids? Whaaaa? The last movie already took place like 3 years after the end of the Buu saga.

Trunks and Goten should look much older. I can already see the continuity problems. Its like they forgotten the characters aged.

[DarkFell]

^ Maybe the animators wanted to forget the DragonBall GT timeline.

[Shred Head]

Goten and Trunks are still kids? Whaaaa? The last movie already took place like 3 years after the end of the Buu saga.

Trunks and Goten should look much older. I can already see the continuity problems. Its like they forgotten the characters aged.

The only way its a continuity screw up is if you put History of Trunks in account because Trunks at that age in that series looked older but I'm unsure how in continuity that is and being anther timeline things change. Also its inline with how aging works in Dragonball you either go from being a toddler to full adult in a span of a year. Hell Goku and Krillin pretty much skipped puberty and there preteens throughout Dragonball. I think Gohan was really the only exception to that.

[drgon78]

I am glad there ignoring GT all together with this one.

[Netkeeper]

Wake me up when Funimation dubs it pls

[ssjup81]

The only way its a continuity screw up is if you put History of Trunks in account because Trunks at that age in that series looked older but I'm unsure how in continuity that is and being anther timeline things change. Also its inline with how aging works in Dragonball you either go from being a toddler to full adult in a span of a year. Hell Goku and Krillin pretty much skipped puberty and there preteens throughout Dragonball. I think Gohan was really the only exception to that.I was about to say that. Goku is a great example of a "late growth spurt". Even before he trained with Kami and Popo before returning to participate in the tourney, he ran into Chichi and the Ox King and he noticed that Chichi had grown slightly taller, yet he was still short. That next year, a tall Goku appears. lol

[Shred Head]

Wake me up when Funimation dubs it pls

Your probably not going to have to wait long with the way Funi has handled Space Dandy, Assassination Classroom, and Highschool DxD Born and many others Funi is really kicking it out getting rights and dubbs out as fast as possible.

[snake]

^ Maybe the animators wanted to forget the DragonBall GT timeline.

That would be a good idea. SSJ4 was the only thing I liked from GT.

[CyberCubed]

We knew from the start GT would be ignored. Just think of GT in the same timeline as the movies, as most of those were not canon either.

[Mew]

Can't wait!! :)

[MutantBear]

I can't wait for this. When will the first episode air? Besides July, of course.

It airs July 5, 2015 in Japan, and you can watch the simulcast on Funimation.com.

Also, I'm pretty sure the dub is coming sooner than usual.

[THGhost]

Can't wait for this.

Goten and Trunks are still kids? Whaaaa? The last movie already took place like 3 years after the end of the Buu saga.

Trunks and Goten should look much older. I can already see the continuity problems. Its like they forgotten the characters aged.

^ Maybe the animators wanted to forget the DragonBall GT timeline.

It's pretty obvious that they're ignoring GT.

[ssjup81]

That would be a good idea. SSJ4 was the only thing I liked from GT.Ironically, this was one of the things I disliked about GT. I like how it started because it felt like Dragon Ball...but then it went into Z territory...

[sdp]

Watch this new show be worse than GT and "canon".

[TurtleTitan97]

Watch this new show be worse than GT and "canon".

It's a little early to be saying that claim, isn't it?

[CyberCubed]

It can't be any worse than GT. GT had terrible plotlines, flanderized main characters, plotholes, an idiotic conclusions. Not to mention some terrible character designs like short haired Vegeta with a mustache.

[Ceres]

Not sure if i will watch this. I wonder what plots they would come up with. Besides it bugs me that Trunks and goten are still children in this. Probably to push Gohan again :/

[TheCanadiandrome]

It airs July 5, 2015 in Japan, and you can watch the simulcast on Funimation.com.

Also, I'm pretty sure the dub is coming sooner than usual.

I have the funimation app on my ps4. Wonder if it'll be on there

[TurtleTitan97]

Plot synopsis for the first episode:

After defeating Majin Buu, life is peaceful once again. Ordered by Chi-chi to earn money, Goku works even as he wants to train even more. Meanwhile, Goten, about to become a brother-in-law to Videl, sets out on a journey with Trunks to find her a present.

http://comicbook.com/2015/06/17/dragon-ball-super-story-details-revealed/

[MutantBear]

The fat Beerus and female Whiz picture has been angering the internet. Guess they'll have some stuff on alternate dimensions in the show.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Sounds cool to me

[snake]

I wonder what the pacing will be like. Hopefully better than Z, but I really don't care.

[MutantBear]

With what they said about there being 200 episodes at least, I'm not sure if this is going to be true.

Who knows, though.

[CyberCubed]

With what they said about there being 200 episodes at least, I'm not sure if this is going to be true.
.

That's not true, they never said how many episodes the series would be. That was just a fansite speculating.

[Shred Head]

The Dragonball Super Website was just updated and it has been said it will be 100 episodes. The fat Beerus is also named Champa the female Whis hasn't been named yet. I'm betting it will be Wine or maybe Vodka to match the name pun from the other three.

[THGhost]

The fat Beerus and female Whiz picture has been angering the internet. Guess they'll have some stuff on alternate dimensions in the show.

An alternate dimension where Buu actually let him have some pudding and he overindulged, for example? :P

[Bry]

The fat Beerus and female Whiz picture has been angering the internet. Guess they'll have some stuff on alternate dimensions in the show.

Angering the Internet... why? (Stupid question, I know. :P)

But hey, wouldn't be the first time we saw an alternate timeline... Dare I hope they take a minute to establish GT as an parallel reality, casting it aside officially once and for all!?

[MutantBear]

Angering the Internet... why? (Stupid question, I know. :P)

But hey, wouldn't be the first time we saw an alternate timeline... Dare I hope they take a minute to establish GT as an parallel reality, casting it aside officially once and for all!?

Well, Akira Toriyama promised a new character who is stronger than both Beerus and Whiz, and people feel a little bit cheated as they would have liked an original character. That's what I'm getting from what I see.

[TurtleTitan97]

Well, Akira Toriyama promised a new character who is stronger than both Beerus and Whiz, and people feel a little bit cheated as they would have liked an original character. That's what I'm getting from what I see.

That doesn't really make sense considering this is a new character. Beerus said in Battle of Gods that he was the 7th of 12 Gods, who each rule over their own universe, and from what I've read online this Champa character is the 9th God of Destruction from the 9th universe .

[THGhost]

Angering the Internet... why? (Stupid question, I know. :P)

But hey, wouldn't be the first time we saw an alternate timeline... Dare I hope they take a minute to establish GT as an parallel reality, casting it aside officially once and for all!?

Now that would be awesome. :lol:

[CyberCubed]

I'm wary of this series. I don't think they're capable of crafting a good Dragonball series 18 years later. They probably should have just stuck with yearly movies.

[Peanut]

Toriyama is salty his pal Oda has surpassed him. Time to resurrect that corpse!

[sdp]

The revival of F came out yesterday in theaters here so I'm going to be watching it, I'll let you guys know how it goes since it's basically sort of a pilot (as was the other movie) to this new series. I also can't see this new series being anything ground breaking, it won't be terrible but it'll leave us a "why did they revive it" feeling since it won't be doing anything new or special, again let's see how much of the fandom is divided and how much prefer GT after it airs. And no matter what the purists think, Toriyama doesn't care about GT one way or another and TOEI likes the GT characters since they continue to sell them as figures/video game characters so I doubt you'll get a hard contradiction to GT outside smaller stuff that can be explained that's already been done in the previous movies.

[ssjup81]

Toriyama is salty his pal Oda has surpassed him. Time to resurrect that corpse!In Japan, Dragon Ball/Z/GT never went away. The anime has been airing constantly for years in constant reruns. There have been games not released outside of Japan for years, like those video card games in the arcades where you must collect actual Dragon Ball cards to play and they have had commercials for them. It's still popular and well-known. So yeah, there's still a lot of Dragon Ball exposure, bringing in newer generations.

[CyberCubed]

Merch continued but there was no TV show from GT in 1997 to Kai (if you count that), and now till Super. TOEI doesn't seem to count Kai because they call DB Super "the first new Dragonball series in 18 years."

[TheCanadiandrome]

Gus's I'm in the minority liking GT :lol:

[snake]

Gus's I'm in the minority liking GT :lol:

I don't hate it. I honestly don't know what to think of it. It's just weeeeeeeird.

[ssjup81]

Merch continued but there was no TV show from GT in 1997 to Kai (if you count that), and now till Super. TOEI doesn't seem to count Kai because they call DB Super "the first new Dragonball series in 18 years."Doesn't matter. It still had exposure is what I'm saying, which is why I said it never went away. Dragon Ball/Z/GT have been constantly rerun for years, bringing in new fans. Kids, young ones, know who Goku is, probably because they watched it on TV. As for Kai, the story wasn't new. It was a remake of Z for its 20th anniversary, so of course it counts (story wise). It's like Sailor Moon Crystal. Same thing. Since both series had anniversaries, they got remakes. The manga for both are finished this time around and are sticking closer to the source material and condensing them. For all we know, the ending of Kai may lead into Super.

In comparison, Dragon Ball Super is a legit new Dragon Ball series. New original story and plot.

[TurtleTitan97]

New trailer

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Translation:

Goku: Hey, I'm Goku.
Goku: Crossing 18 years of time, it's time to enter a new series!!
Goku: Since our battle with Majin Buu, some really incredible guys have shown up. Their names are God of Destruction Beerus and Shanpa. I guess they're gods...
Goku: I'm going to fight with Beerus and the others with all my strength, and get even stronger!
Goku: The broadcast for Dragon Ball Super will begin next time.

[CyberCubed]

I still don't get why this series is set before the new Frieza movie and before the Uub episodes. Or maybe just the beginning of it is.

[TurtleTitan97]

The second episode will focus on Vegeta:

“Vegeta goes out with Bulma and Trunks to a resort area! Bulma and Trunks are very happy with this unexpected family time together! But even as he’s doing this, Vegeta is bothered that Goku is off training?!”

“Training under the 10 times gravity on Planet Kaiō is perfect! In spite of the nuisance to Kaiō, Goku starts his training, but what is his surprising training method?!”


http://attackofthefanboy.com/news/dragon-ball-super-episode-2-focuses-on-vegeta/

It's also been confirmed that the first episode takes place before Battle of Gods, and that it has only been half a year since Majin Buu was defeated: http://www.designntrend.com/articles/56037/20150701/dragon-ball-super-tv-series-first-episode-happens-before-battle-of-gods-details.htm

Also a message from Akira Toriyama:

“Dragon Ball Super” is a complete continuation of the Majin Buu story arc. It’s got a bit of post-battle aftermath, continues with the “Battle of Gods” arc where the God of Destruction Beerus appears and the “Revival of ‘F’” arc where Freeza comes back to life, and then, I’ve written a strange new story where they finally depart from this universe. They’re fighting against their neighbors, Universe 6!

They’ll yell at me if I give away too many spoilers, so I’ll keep the rest a secret, but they’re chasing after giant Super Dragon Balls; I think things will unfold in a bright and simple way, that will be really fun and exciting!


Since it’s another universe, loads of new characters will turn up. I’ll do my best to draw the tons of character designs necessary, so I’m looking forward to this too.

You know, it suddenly occurs to me that somewhere along the line the Dragon Ball anime has become quite a huge story. Since I’m the guy who drew the thing, it’s a bit weird for me to say this, but when I first started out I never dreamed it would have a universe as a setting (laughs). Don’t worry though, it’s still going to be the same sort of easy-to-understand content as always.

Kakarot will be traveling to other universes to search for the "Super dragon balls" which has the 9-star dragon ball which was revealed in DB super manga cover.

[CyberCubed]

You know this is starting to sound a lot like GT. Goku going off to space to find Dark Star Dragonballs...and now its Goku going to another dimension to find Super Dragonballs.

I really hope Goku and Vegeta are not the only two characters who do anything in this series.

[Slade]

You know this is starting to sound a lot like GT. Goku going off to space to find Dark Star Dragonballs...and now its Goku going to another dimension to find Super Dragonballs.

I really hope Goku and Vegeta are not the only two characters who do anything in this series.

I actually do hope they are...but that's just me


Story doesn't sound too good to me.

[TheCanadiandrome]

I can't wait to find the manga

[MrTMNT2012]

First episode was actually...way better than expected! :)

Seems like a perfect balance of lighthearted comedy and fun action just like the old Dragon Ball but the Epicness is still there.

[snake]

I liked it. So, the first episode takes place before battle of the gods?

[MutantBear]

I liked it. So, the first episode takes place before battle of the gods?

Yeah. They're doing a Battle of Gods arc/saga, Resurrection of F arc/saga and then after that they'll be starting original arcs.

[CyberCubed]

One thing I want this series to do is handle the underutilized characters better. I loved that Goten got a lot of focus in this first episode, his character really served no purpose other than to make Gotenks, so I'm glad to see him fleshed out a bit more.

If they can give characters like Tien, Yamcha, Android 18, etc. actual fights and things to do it will be swell.

I fear this will be the Goku and Vegeta show, especially after the last two movies, so hopefully everyone else gets to do something.

[Netkeeper]

https://38.media.tumblr.com/42a8eb7e25306b6bb4507ad902859d7c/tumblr_nq30qycNeM1temrk8o1_500.gif

Wake me up when Funi dubs it pls

Edit: Omg I just now noticed I already said this lmao

[CyberCubed]

Anyone here keeping up with it? Up to episode 6 has aired.

Episode 5 is hated for terrible animation and being inferior to the movie version of Goku Vs. Beerus when they first meet, but the other episodes are pretty good. There's a lot more humor this time around and some fun moments we don't get to see.

Episode 6 deviated from the movie the most, with the bingo scene being gone and Beerus being portrayed as more evil. He tossed Buu off the boat and the preview shows Tien, Piccolo, 18 and Gohan fighting Beerus. As far as I can remember none of them fought Beerus in the Battle of Gods movie so this is a huge change.

[MrTMNT2012]

Yeah I kinda...dropped this series.

Episode 5 showed exactly where Toei's budget is going towards *cough* One Piece *cough* (rightfully so).

Not interested in recaps...

[CyberCubed]

Episode 5 was the only terrible episode, the others are pretty good even if we already know what's going to happen.

[Peanut]

Episode 5 showed exactly where Toei's budget is going towards *cough* One Piece *cough* (rightfully so).

Not interested in recaps...

Dude, what? One Piece gets the sh*t animated episodes just like every other Toei run anime. Toei, and pretty much the entire Japanese animation industry, is an absolute sh*t show.

[MrTMNT2012]

Dude, what? One Piece gets the sh*t animated episodes just like every other Toei run anime. Toei, and pretty much the entire Japanese animation industry, is an absolute sh*t show.

So you're telling me this: http://i0.wp.com/gamerssphere.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/dragon-ball-super-all.jpg

Was better animated than this?
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[The Stryker]

So you're telling me this: http://i0.wp.com/gamerssphere.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/dragon-ball-super-all.jpg

Was better animated than this?
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Cherrypicking one specific scene to put against some really bad stills isn't thr best way to make your argument man.

[MrTMNT2012]

Cherrypicking one specific scene to put against some really bad stills isn't thr best way to make your argument man.

I'm not gonna put up the entire episode, am I?!

Point is, since Episode 695 of One Piece; Toei has been upping their game because they know how important the material is.

Dragon Ball Super on the other hand is just a recap and is being treated as such.

[Cure]

The ORIGINAL point was that every anime has their poorly animated episodes, even One Piece.

[Peanut]

Nonsense

Boy, I sure hope you didn't suffer whiplash from my point blowing by at the speed of light.

[MrTMNT2012]

The ORIGINAL point was that every anime has their poorly animated episodes, even One Piece.

So...does...every...animated...series EVER.

Once again, what was the point?

[Cure]

That was it. You're being argumentative for no reason.

[Peanut]

Once again, what was the point?

The point was that all Toei anime has garbage animation 99% of the time these days. One Piece is probably getting a bigger budget, but it doesn't make a difference, because budget isn't the issue. Try looking up some stories about how the anime industry is run and how much of a disaster it is.

You also used a scene that has, at best, average animation as the entire thrust of your argument. And you're right, the OP anime is getting to much more important material, but look how that scene you presented is animated in comparison to something as ridiculous and pointless as the end of the Franky vs Senor Pink fight, or Rebecca in the sun flower field with Diamante, both of which were f*cking incredible. It all comes down to WHO ends up working on the episode. That's the issue.

[MrTMNT2012]

The point was that all Toei anime has garbage animation 99% of the time these days. One Piece is probably getting a bigger budget, but it doesn't make a difference, because budget isn't the issue. Try looking up some stories about how the anime industry is run and how much of a disaster it is.

You also used a scene that has, at best, average animation as the entire thrust of your argument. And you're right, the OP anime is getting to much more important material, but look how that scene you presented is animated in comparison to something as ridiculous and pointless as the end of the Franky vs Senor Pink fight, or Rebecca in the sun flower field with Diamante, both of which were f*cking incredible. It all comes down to WHO ends up working on the episode. That's the issue.

This is true, which is why I'm saying One Piece gets the better animators in the Toei department.

Case in point; Naotoshi Shida - undeniably one of the best animators in Japan (worked on One Piece Episode 405, Smoker Vs Vergo, Ace rescue scene, Goku Vs Bills in Battle of Gods etc.) is mostly found credited in One Piece material as oppose to any other Anime in the Toei library.

Right now he's working on most of the Luffy Vs Doflamingo scenes instead of Toei bringing him for anything Dragon Ball related which is why I'm saying out of the on-going long-running Anime, One Piece is getting the best possible treatment as it should!

[TMNT_Guy]

In regards to the animation, while I haven’t seen this series or anything Dragon Ball yet(I’m waiting until Funimation releases Dragon Ball Z in it’s correct aspect ratio before I do that.), I would like to say it’s more than likely the animation will be improved for the Blu-ray release, which is apparently a common thing for anime. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EnhancedOnDVD)

Just look at Toei’s recent series Sailor Moon Crystal. That series had so many animation flubs that there’s a whole website (http://crystalcomparisons.com/category/comparison-pics/page/3/) dedicated to comparing the original web release with the Blu-ray release.

[Bry]

Anyway...

I haven't had a chance to watch the show yet. I saw the Battle of Gods and Resurrection 'F' screenings with my wife, and Super is something we're gonna watch together eventually. She absolutely fell in love with Beerus and Whis from the movies (as did I) so I hope they have a good showing in the series as well. Aside from some poor animation... I hope it holds up well enough by comparison?

[CyberCubed]

Beerus is portrayed as slightly more evil in the show than the movie, which is disappointing. He seemed a lot more neutral in Battle of Gods and in Super he almost comes across as another Freeza.

[Peanut]

This is true, which is why I'm saying One Piece gets the better animators in the Toei department.

You didn't say that at all...

Episode 5 showed exactly where Toei's budget is going towards *cough* One Piece *cough* (rightfully so).

You said budget. You conveniently brought up animators after I mentioned what matters are the people working on each episode. Nice try in attempting to shift your entire point in the span of three posts. Sit down.

And even taking your new comparison into consideration, that One Piece is getting all the good animators now because the material is getting important, you're still wrong. The truth is there just aren't enough good animators to go around, so EVERYTHING gets f*cked. Toei has spread themselves so thin and taken on so many time sensitive projects that there are actual hobbyist animators working on their shows. There are in-between freelancers making $1-2 per drawing, which is why you get so many frames of abhorrent off model baby drawings in screencaps online. They're also all on multiple super strict deadlines. Do you really think the majority of any Toei series is going to look good, or even decent? The anime industry is a nightmare.

[MrTMNT2012]

You didn't say that at all...



You said budget. You conveniently brought up animators after I mentioned what matters are the people working on each episode. Nice try in attempting to shift your entire point in the span of three posts. Sit down.

And even taking your new comparison into consideration, that One Piece is getting all the good animators now because the material is getting important, you're still wrong. The truth is there just aren't enough good animators to go around, so EVERYTHING gets f*cked. Toei has spread themselves so thin and taken on so many time sensitive projects that there are actual hobbyist animators working on their shows. There are in-between freelancers making $1-2 per drawing, which is why you get so many frames of abhorrent off model baby drawings in screencaps online. They're also all on multiple super strict deadlines. Do you really think the majority of any Toei series is going to look good, or even decent? The anime industry is a nightmare.

What I'm Saying and "Said" were two different things mate. Don't see where you're getting the shift idea considering 'budget' and higher-class animators aren't exactly mutually exclusive.

You're the one going into a whole other argument about the Anime industry in general while I was just comparing Toei's own library of series. Clearly anyone with proper eyesight can see that One Piece gets a lot more attention and effort put into it than Dragon Ball.

[Peanut]

You're clown shoes, kid. You need to work on your reading comprehension.

[MrTMNT2012]

I lost the argument.

Appreciate the honesty. :tsmile:

[Peanut]

I know nobody likes or listens to me, but arguing needlessly when I'm wrong is the only defence I have. :(

It's cool, man. We all have our issues. Yours just happen to make you looks like a child all the time.

[MrTMNT2012]

Yours just happen to make you looks like a child all the time.

LOL. The irony is impeccable.

You're the one who started the argument by the way; slight juxtaposition on your hilarious quote changes.

[Powder]

http://i62.tinypic.com/21l7j2b.gif

[Peanut]

LOL. The irony is impeccable.

You're the one who started the argument by the way; slight juxtaposition on your hilarious quote changes.

Yeah, slight typos on a phone completely invalidate my point. You're right. Pointing out stuff like that instead of actually justifying your sh*t point is the saving grace of Internet "winners" the world over.

And I didn't start an argument. I made a point and you decided to twist it. If you feel like continuing go ahead, but I never see the point in arguing with kids like you.

[pennydreadful]

jesus christ, Hell truly is other people.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Anyone know how to get ones hands on the manga?

[THGhost]

I'm waiting for the English dub for Super, I can't bear to read subtitles with anime. Any word on when it's coming out? Not for a while I'd imagine.

[Mew]

I'm waiting for the English dub for Super, I can't bear to read subtitles with anime. Any word on when it's coming out? Not for a while I'd imagine.
Wait...this thread is about Dragon Ball?

[THGhost]

Wait...this thread is about Dragon Ball?

Dragon Ball Super. Says so in the title.

[CyberCubed]

Well you could discuss the other series too if you want, its not like there's much activity here.

I've been rewatching the original Dragonball dubbed, I almost forgot how funny the early Pilaf episodes were. I can see where Pokemon and Avatar got their inspiration from.

[Slade]

Ain't there already a Db/Z discussion thread?

[THGhost]

Well you could discuss the other series too if you want, its not like there's much activity here.

True. True.

I've been rewatching the Garlic Jr. Saga. Not a bad bunch of episodes considering that it's filler.

[CyberCubed]

Ain't there already a Db/Z discussion thread?

Yes, but I made that thread and its dead so it doesn't matter. Its not like this thread is busting with activity or anything.

The original Dragonball is so funny, the early episodes honestly remind me of Pokemon. Emperor Pilaf and Mai/Shoe is likely what inspired Team Rocket. Also Ash is clearly based on Goku early on.

[TurtleTitan97]

Funimation will be hosting a Dragon Ball panel at New York Comic Con featuring a look at Dragon Ball Super: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/daily-briefs/2015-09-05/funimation-hosts-look-at-dragon-ball-super-at-new-york-comic-con/.92575

[LeotheLateBloomer]

So....does anyone have any thoughts on this show so far?

[snake]

So....does anyone have any thoughts on this show so far?

Sh*t animation

[Slade]

Sh*t animation

Ehh it's better than a lot of cartoons out now. It's has its flaws though.

The story itself should be picking up soon here with the tournament though. I hear a few of these new characters may be pretty interesting. Here's hoping they actually are.

[CyberCubed]

Super is actually good now that the movie adaptions are over. The animation still isn't great but what can you do.

[snake]

Super is actually good now that the movie adaptions are over. The animation still isn't great but what can you do.
I enjoy the story but the animation is low even for Toei.

[CyberCubed]

Its hard to believe animation from the 90's is better than animation from 2015-2016. Its pretty sad when episodes made literally 20-30 years ago look better than today.

[Slade]

I wonder if you guys are ahead of me?

[CyberCubed]

Super has aired 32 episodes so far. But the manga is a bit ahead of the anime, already at the start of the tournament so that's where people are reading spoilers from.

[Slade]

Yeah I haven't found the manga yet. I haven't actually looked for it either.

[CyberCubed]

I don't read the manga but I've read some summaries from people or things that happened in it.

[Coola Yagami]

So did Goku fight Frost yet, in the anime, or have they not gotten that far yet?

As for this thread, it seems noone cares cause it's not in the US yet except for watching it online through illegal websites. Once it gets dubbed and brought to the states, it'll most likely explode and this topic will have 100+ pages.

Also kudos to Funi for not taking forever and releasing the Freeza movie the same year it came out in Japan. Battle of Gods took forever and there were already games with Lord Beerus in them.

[CyberCubed]

Goku and Vegeta are training in the time chamber. They haven't even gone to the Universe 6 tournament yet.

[Slade]

I watch the episodes on Sunday. So they made it to the tournament today. Goku is up. I've had the fight spoiled and the one with Frost too. It's a bit interesting imo.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I think it's safe to say that Super is good at making fun of itself.:lol:

[CyberCubed]

Would also be nice if someone other than Goku or Vegeta got spotlight. DBZ did a good job shifting the screentime around to other characters.

Sometimes Krillin and Gohan were the leads, others Piccolo, sometimes Vegeta, sometimes Future Trunks, sometimes Goku, sometimes kid Trunks/Goten, sometimes Bulma, a little of Tien and Yamcha, etc.

Super is just all Goku and Vegeta.

[Slade]

Would also be nice if someone other than Goku or Vegeta got spotlight. DBZ did a good job shifting the screentime around to other characters.

Sometimes Krillin and Gohan were the leads, others Piccolo, sometimes Vegeta, sometimes Future Trunks, sometimes Goku, sometimes kid Trunks/Goten, sometimes Bulma, a little of Tien and Yamcha, etc.

Super is just all Goku and Vegeta.

Piccolo is going to fight Frost. Don't know the outcome though.

But really, Goku and Vegeta are the strongest out of the bunch, especially now, and so are the villains. Gohan couldn't hang, that was seen in the Freeza movie.

I understand what you mean though, but the story also called for those characters to be in the spotlight. Maybe Super will call for them to be too, but I doubt it.

[CyberCubed]

Its funny in retrospect how people claim DBZ is all about Goku, and yet there are huge stretches in DBZ where Goku does absolutely nothing and is completely out of commission.

DBZ gave Vegeta, Gohan, Piccolo, Krillin, Bulma, Future Trunks, Trunks/Goten (and Gotenks), and Tien/Yamcha some screentime.

The only times in DBZ where Goku is the lead is Goku Vs. Freeza on Namek and the tail-end of the Buu saga.

[Slade]

Goku is always the lead character.

He was lead during Raditz. During the Vegeta arc everyone was basically waiting on Goku to get there. Namek arc same thing. Androids he gets sick and it's all about getting his health up until Cell shows up. Then it became about Gohan.
I'll give you the Buu saga, but that one is a complete mess.

I'm not sure I'm making sense, on pain meds righ now.

[CyberCubed]

Goku's obviously the main character, but he's still out of the picture for most of DBZ. Also Freeza and Majin Buu are also the only final fights Goku wins.

Goku loses to Vegeta, and its the combined efforts of Gohan/Krillin/Yajirobe that defeat him. Gohan of course defeats Cell.

[Slade]

I'm not sure what exactly you mean by out of the picture?

I know he didn't beat Vegeta, either time. He beats Freeza, but Future Trunks kills him the first time. He only fights one android that Vegeta beats. Gohan beats Cell. Goku uses the Super Spirit Bomb to beat Kid Buu.

[CyberCubed]

I'm not sure what exactly you mean by out of the picture?

I know he didn't beat Vegeta, either time. He beats Freeza, but Future Trunks kills him the first time. He only fights one android that Vegeta beats. Gohan beats Cell. Goku uses the Super Spirit Bomb to beat Kid Buu.

Exactly what I meant, Goku is gone, absent, or out of the way for most of the events of each saga. He's never there doing things in every single episode. Even if the climax of most sagas revolve around him they series always gave all the other characters a time to shine.

I mean Goku literally does nothing for half the Saiyan arc, the entire first half of the Freeza/Namek arc, most of the Cell arc, and the entire first half of the Buu arc.

[Slade]

I wouldn't say he does nothing the first half of the Saiyan saga. He introduces Gohan to Krillin and them. He fights along side Picollo against Raditz. You see his journey along snake way and his training with King Kai. Then his race back to Earth to take on Nappa and Vegeta.

Yeah he wasn't on earth with everyone else, so in that aspect he's absent, but we do still see him doing things.

All this Goku talk and I prefer Vegeta myself.

[CyberCubed]

Yes, but he gets very little screentime outside the King Kai episodes or the Snake Way fillers. Most of the focus on the Saiyan saga is on Gohan.

In fact, almost all of DBZ was focused on Gohan the most.

[Slade]

Well Gohan was intended to take over from what I have read.