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Papenbrook
06-20-2015, 10:05 PM
For people to discuss and rant about the constant hiatus. Since people are getting annoyed with the unnecessary comments on the official thread, I made this thread.

Enjoy.

Vicky82
06-21-2015, 03:58 AM
It is annoying but sometimes i'm glad time goes quickly for me.

Also I expect their will be at least a 3 month hiatus between May and August during season 4 next year because of the new movie as Nick will need to promote it.

ToTheNines
06-21-2015, 05:58 AM
It's bull ****. Especially the way they've moved this last batch back like three times now. It's getting really hard for me to keep interest in the show, and I'm a turtle freak. I can only imagine how many viewers they've lost over this.

Now if it's simply because the episodes aren't done, then I understand. But something tells me it's the fault of some nickelodeon pencil pushers.

BubblyShell22
06-21-2015, 08:22 AM
I think it's a combination of both honestly. I think when they first scheduled the episodes, the episodes needed tweaking and weren't completely finished. However, now I think it's because of Nick itself since there's a stupid movie on today, and they usually don't air TMNT when there's a new crappy movie they have. The breaks definitely suck and drive me mad sometimes, but I try to cope. As I've said, it would be easier if they'd air a rerun and that would make it more tolerable, but they haven't been doing that lately, and that's just not cool.

Jester
06-21-2015, 10:22 AM
Finally a Purple Kraken thread I can sink my teeth into.


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Vicky82
06-21-2015, 10:58 AM
Getting pissed off now, there isn't a new episode on July 5th. :x

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
06-21-2015, 11:27 AM
Lately it feels like this is a prevalent trend in a lot of TV shows. Flash and Arrow both have hiatuses, TMNT has hiatuses...

Seems like really poor planning. If your season hasn't been very good, too many hiatuses become too many jumping-off points for some viewers.

Metalwolf
06-21-2015, 11:54 AM
I'm wondering if somebody's trying to kill the show? This is getting truly bizarre.

Maybe they have something else in the works, and this is their way of forcing early cancellation so they don't breach contract. :ohwell:

blindturtle02
06-21-2015, 12:29 PM
I'm wondering if somebody's trying to kill the show? This is getting truly bizarre.

Maybe they have something else in the works, and this is their way of forcing early cancellation so they don't breach contract. :ohwell:

I sure hope not! I've been wondering the same thing though, Wolf. My other half is trying to remain optimistic, saying that we'll probably get a season 5, but I'm rather doubtful at this point. At least we know that the show won't be one of those infernal series that ends on a cliffhanger. Thank God Ciro has an ending mapped out no matter when the execs decide to pull the plug. hehe I just used the word infernal and can't help but think of 80's Krang or Shredder ranting when a particular piece of tech or plan has failed. "Two plus two is four."

CyberCubed
06-21-2015, 12:57 PM
I'm wondering if somebody's trying to kill the show? This is getting truly bizarre.

Maybe they have something else in the works, and this is their way of forcing early cancellation so they don't breach contract. :ohwell:

Do you have any idea how television works? They're not going to cancel a show when there's already 20 more episodes in production for a Season 4. Do you have any idea what a waste of money that is?

Each episode costs millions to make for god sakes. This isn't someones online fanfiction.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
06-21-2015, 01:00 PM
Each episode costs millions to make for god sakes. This isn't someones online fanfiction.

Hyperbole and exaggeration.

CyberCubed
06-21-2015, 01:01 PM
Hyperbole and exaggeration.

No it isn't. The production costs of each episode is high. I obviously don't have an exact number, but they don't spend nearly a million dollars on each episode to not air it

jenna
06-21-2015, 01:36 PM
My knowledge of cgi TV is limited, but could it be the time it takes to make episodes? I don't imagine that these episodes are quick, churn-out episodes. Moreover, I bet even small issues can cause big delays.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
06-21-2015, 02:19 PM
No it isn't. The production costs of each episode is high. I obviously don't have an exact number, but they don't spend nearly a million dollars on each episode to not air it

There is no way a single episode of TMNT, CGI or not, costs anywhere close to a single million dollars.

I'll say it again: hyperbole and exaggeration. But now I feel obliged to go try and find actual numbers...

I apologize, Cubed... turns out you're actually pretty close to spot on.

http://endlessfight.net/printthread.php?tid=886

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=cost+to+produce+cgi+cartoon+episode

(various articles on that Google link are applicable...)

This was what I could find after a little digging. $100k-$200k seems more reasonable, but wow, I do agree with your sentiment; that is pretty expensive. Hand-drawn animation DOES cost a million or two per episode, apparently... example being the Simpsons. But one reason some cartoons are moving to CGI is cost-savings; a computer program is cheaper.

This blows my mind. So again, let me apologize: Cubed, thou wast right.

Ceres
06-21-2015, 02:30 PM
I think the hiatus is a very good opportunity for all fans who only grew up with the new stuff of TMNT to watch the classics(87`s version). Never forget the roots :D And it makes the waiting time far less worse. I guess i will watch again if they are finally in Season 4 when they go to Dimension X. But seeing the schedule of the program its a good guess that this will take another half year if not more xDD

jenna
06-21-2015, 02:49 PM
I think the hiatus is a very good opportunity for all fans who only grew up with the new stuff of TMNT to watch the classics(87`s version). Never forget the roots :D And it makes the waiting time far less worse. I guess i will watch again if they are finally in Season 4 when they go to Dimension X. But seeing the schedule of the program its a good guess that this will take another half year if not more xDD

The same can be said of the 1990 film AND some of the original Mirage comics. Nick has clear roots in these also. And - for anyone who missed it - 4Kids.

Ceres
06-21-2015, 02:54 PM
The same can be said of the 1990 film AND some of the original Mirage comics. Nick has clear roots in these also. And - for anyone who missed it - 4Kids.

All the old stuff yes.

Lethal Lullaby
06-21-2015, 03:19 PM
I admit. I am a bit bothered by it.

Nick's just doing 'great' right now.. _-_

Leo656
06-21-2015, 03:52 PM
I don't really care. It's not that great and it's just easier to binge-watch it on DVDs. I see it on reruns when there's nothing at all on TV, but I haven't caught a "new" episode when it was fresh in ages. I don't even know what the "normal" day and time it usually airs is.

Same goes for most shows I watch. I'm busy, I don't have time to memorize the TV Guide.

BubblyShell22
06-21-2015, 04:26 PM
Hey, that's fine, Leo. I can understand that.

I do hope we get a season five as I love this show and don't want it to end on season four. That's what was meant when Wolf said it could be cancelled. Obviously, they're still going to make season four, but no plans have been announced for a season five, and that worries me. They did mention a possible spin-off so if this series DOES end at season four, that's probably when the spin-off will air.

VaughnMichael
06-21-2015, 04:41 PM
It's pretty lame but what can we all do?
Life goes on, I'm just happy there's a show at all even though we only get new episodes every so often.
I remember a time when there was no TMNT on tv at all.

BubblyShell22
06-21-2015, 04:42 PM
Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm happy we have a TMNT show. I just wish that the breaks weren't so spread out. But as I've said, I can deal with it. Watched "Within the Woods" today just for the heck of it, and that made me feel better.

CyberCubed
06-21-2015, 05:14 PM
I fully expect the show to get at least 7 seasons. Nick purchased the entire TMNT IP, its not like they're partnering with Mirage like 4kids did.

The IDW comics probably barely makes Nick any money and the movies don't do well enough in the box office if the first one was any indication. The show and toys are the bloodline.

pennydreadful
06-21-2015, 07:40 PM
This blows my mind. So again, let me apologize: Cubed, thou wast right.

Woah, I hope this ain't a sign of the coming apocalypse! :lol:

Metalwolf
06-21-2015, 10:10 PM
I sure hope not! I've been wondering the same thing though, Wolf. My other half is trying to remain optimistic, saying that we'll probably get a season 5, but I'm rather doubtful at this point. At least we know that the show won't be one of those infernal series that ends on a cliffhanger. Thank God Ciro has an ending mapped out no matter when the execs decide to pull the plug. hehe I just used the word infernal and can't help but think of 80's Krang or Shredder ranting when a particular piece of tech or plan has failed. "Two plus two is four."Yeah, a cliffhanger would suck. I'm wondering about a season 5 myself, but we won't know until July. I would also say that the other way to look at it too (if it does end at Season 4) is that it won't be a zombie show like the Sponge or the Simpsons. Both should have ended years ago, they can always do spin offs and other things to keep them 'alive,' but the benefit being that they still remain fresh (and they can always be brought back later.) Even some Fred Wolf fans mention that the show would have been better condensed to about 5 seasons, since it appeared 'seasonal rot' had set in the middle.

Do you have any idea how television works? They're not going to cancel a show when there's already 20 more episodes in production for a Season 4. Do you have any idea what a waste of money that is?

Each episode costs millions to make for god sakes. This isn't someones online fanfiction.I would've agreed, however I'd already had one popular CGI show canceled early (Clone Wars) and they had been working on Season 6 when it was. Not to mention it the whole show was paid for by Lucas's money and it was still canceled by Disney, and the show was very popular at the time.

It doesn't matter what they are doing with the show at the time or how much (or little) they paid for it if some network bigwig wants it gone. The hiatuses might be nothing or they might be a bad sign. Screwing around with a show's schedule is a cheap and 'legal' way to kill ratings to kill a show, because doing it another way would likely breach about a dozen binding contracts and put them in court. Some of these contracts are with VAs, some are with toy makers, some with the CGI guys. But each contract very likely has a clause in it about possibly canceling if there is a declining viewerbase, which if you are clever enough you can create through wonky scheduling, and they'll not be able to do anything to stop you.

Jephael
06-21-2015, 11:01 PM
The hiatuses might be nothing or they might be a bad sign. Screwing around with a show's schedule is a cheap and 'legal' way to kill ratings to kill a show, because doing it another way would likely breach about a dozen binding contracts and put them in court. Some of these contracts are with VAs, some are with toy makers, some with the CGI guys. But each contract very likely has a clause in it about possibly canceling if there is a declining viewerbase, which if you are clever enough you can create through wonky scheduling, and they'll not be able to do anything to stop you.

What kinda creep-ass jerks would pull a stunt like that? I tell ya, I've just about had it with television all together!

ssjup81
06-22-2015, 07:30 AM
I don't think I'm as bothered by the hiatuses anymore... What bothers me, based on what you all say, is that it's preempted during these hiatuses and the airing of the show in general is sporadic.

I always use this example, but back when Rugrats was a thing, even when the show did go into hiatus (and gained popularity), it still kept its same timeslot, regardless if the episode was new or a rerun. This show should have its own timeslot and be allowed to keep it and when there's no new episode, air reruns of the show, not Spongebob or whatever.

Of course I could be wrong, so if I am, please feel free to correct me.

BubblyShell22
06-22-2015, 07:40 AM
Yeah, I think having reruns air would be fine in place of a new episode, but they haven't been doing that lately. They will be for next Sunday, but this past Sunday they had some dumb movie on instead. I don't know what to think about this, but I agree that it's getting ridiculous, and I do hope it's not a sign that the show will be finished.

Foombamaroom
06-22-2015, 09:49 AM
I'm telling you guys, Michael Bay was somehow infiltrate Nickelodeon, and is giving us all of these hiatuses on purpose.
"This is for not liking my movies, you whining fanboys!"
And if we don't like the next movie... The show goes boom.

THGhost
06-22-2015, 11:06 AM
It doesn't bother me. CGI takes a while to produce, I completely understand that.

Autbot_Benz
06-22-2015, 11:52 AM
Id ask Brandon or Ciro if they know when the next episode will air.

aliena
06-22-2015, 02:55 PM
I noticed that there is no new episode this Sunday and I thought it was scheduled for this weekend and I heard that they cancelled the July 5th episode too. I came hear hoping you guys would calm my fears and I'm only more scared now.

Irregardless how much an episode costs, I get a foreboding feeling that they are trying to cancel it. I haven't watched from the beginning, but did they do all this sort of hiatus changing way back in the beginning?

BubblyShell22
06-22-2015, 03:16 PM
Well, they probably won't cancel it until season 4 is done unless a season 5 is confirmed because I can't see them working so hard on these episodes only for them to be nixed.

I can't really remember the beginning, but it wasn't as spread out as this. But as the budget increases and things are added, I expect it takes more time. They just want to put on a good show, and I definitely can get that and understand it. I admit that I'm just not the most patient person in the world when it comes to certain things. I try to get better, but to no avail.

Jester
06-22-2015, 04:43 PM
Id ask Brandon or Ciro if they know when the next episode will air.
I did, and have yet to get a response.

turtlefanforever
06-22-2015, 05:09 PM
the hiatus is some BS, and the turtle toys are warming pegs everywhere now. Might be the end soon.

Metalwolf
06-22-2015, 05:40 PM
the hiatus is some BS, and the turtle toys are warming pegs everywhere now. Might be the end soon.Yeah, they are starting to look that way at my Walmart. They aren't selling like they were. :ohwell:

turtlefanforever
06-22-2015, 07:00 PM
Yeah, they are starting to look that way at my Walmart. They aren't selling like they were. :ohwell:

i'm starting to see a ton of em on clearance now too.

CyberCubed
06-22-2015, 07:08 PM
Yeah, they are starting to look that way at my Walmart. They aren't selling like they were. :ohwell:

LOL, what? The toys are selling fine. Just because you see toys in your one little Walmart doesn't mean its like that in millions of stores across the U.S.

I love how people base the shows success on their little neck in the woods.

pennydreadful
06-22-2015, 07:11 PM
Is there any data on how the toy sales are currently doing? It'd be interesting to compare and contrast both the ratings and merchandise sales for Seasons 1 through to 3 thus far.

Jephael
06-22-2015, 07:18 PM
Just because you see toys in your one little Walmart doesn't mean its like that in millions of stores across the U.S.

I love how people base the shows success on their little neck in the woods.

Uh buddy, I hate to break it to ya but it's the same way in a lot of stores. Both Wal-Mart and Target in my current residence have a buttload of unsold TMNT merchandise, and most times I'm there I don't see too many kids psyched as sh*t to pick any of them up. I did consider buying the Mirage TMNT last year, but I decided not to since I've already got the Neca figures.

CyberCubed
06-22-2015, 07:22 PM
Uh buddy, I hate to break it to ya but it's the same way in a lot of stores. Both Wal-Mart and Target in my current residence have a buttload of unsold TMNT merchandise, and most times I'm there I don't see too many kids psyched as sh*t to pick any of them up. I did consider buying the Mirage TMNT last year, but I decided not to since I've already got the Neca figures.

Do you know how many department stores that sell toys that exist in the U.S.? Think about Walmart, Toys R Us, Target, etc....any place that sells toys. Now multiple all the stores together in a single state of the U.S. There are over 50 states in the U.S....now add those millions of stores altogether.

They sell millions of toys.

Autbot_Benz
06-22-2015, 07:56 PM
Someone said Brandon said no new TMNT episodes until August. If its legit **** Nickelodien.

http://i57.tinypic.com/5bab6w.png

Jester
06-22-2015, 08:25 PM
Someone said Brandon said no new TMNT episodes until August. If its legit **** Nickelodien.

http://i57.tinypic.com/5bab6w.png

Thanks Benz....I couldn't find that anywhere when someone mentioned it earlier.

Well, almost makes me glad that my cable company is fighting Viacom.

Autbot_Benz
06-22-2015, 08:28 PM
Thanks Benz....I couldn't find that anywhere when someone mentioned it earlier.

Well, almost makes me glad that my cable company is fighting Viacom.

no problem :) I hate this 2 months and no turtles

Metalwolf
06-22-2015, 08:28 PM
Wow, not until August now. This is getting a bit... not good.

victory_angel
06-22-2015, 08:37 PM
Part of this Hiatus has to do with comic con. I know that's not the full reason, but it is part of the reason

San Diego Comic Con is July 9th this year

New York Comic con isn't until October, so they are likely to want to push through the rest of this season so they can get started showing Season 4

Powder
06-22-2015, 08:39 PM
That is a super hardcore major bummer. The only plus is that we know they'll air in succession & lead right into season 4. But still, not quite worth it. All this time without 'em is really gonna be tough. It already has been tough. At least we still have the Animated/Amazing Adventures comics to give us new stories in the Nick universe in the meantime...

CyberCubed
06-22-2015, 09:34 PM
Remember Season 4 only has 20 episodes instead of 26, this is probably one of the reasons for a delay. They have 6 less episodes to air next season.

Jephael
06-22-2015, 09:40 PM
Remember Season 4 only has 20 episodes instead of 26, this is probably one of the reasons for a delay. They have 6 less episodes to air next season.

True, but they've still got 8 episodes left of this season, so that's like 2 months worth. I almost can't help but wonder if Ciro and the team are having trouble with the censors allowing them to show something.

victory_angel
06-22-2015, 09:46 PM
maybe they will do what they did last year and air the episode on the nick site early and then air them on TV

MisfitKraang
06-22-2015, 10:09 PM
I try not to complain too much but these spontaneous hiatus breaks really suck, I enjoyed the show up to season 3 and have just lost all intrest,I'll watch the show but I just don't care about it. I want to get back into the show I've seen every episode so far but the breaks are just killer. I wonder how the kids feel about the breaks.

Jephael
06-22-2015, 10:13 PM
I wonder how the kids feel about the breaks.

To be honest, I don't even thinks kids are even aware of the breaks. My niece and nephew usually watch the shows they like with Comcast's On Demand feature.

MisfitKraang
06-22-2015, 10:19 PM
To be honest, I don't even thinks kids are even aware of the breaks. My niece and nephew usually watch the shows they like with Comcast's On Demand feature.

You're probably right, most people and kids now just do all the On Demand and Netflix stuff. Still the breaks suck, I miss the days when networks would just play every episode in a season like every week until it ended.

precision
06-22-2015, 10:27 PM
Uh buddy, I hate to break it to ya but it's the same way in a lot of stores. Both Wal-Mart and Target in my current residence have a buttload of unsold TMNT merchandise, and most times I'm there I don't see too many kids psyched as sh*t to pick any of them up. I did consider buying the Mirage TMNT last year, but I decided not to since I've already got the Neca figures.

Could've fooled me, I wasn't able to even to look at the TMNT figures today due to the crowd of children looking at them. It was at Walmart at 10 a.m. no less. Now that school is out the figures are selling a little faster than before. Hopefully they'll sell all of the mutation line before the new wave gets shipped.

Leo656
06-23-2015, 12:04 AM
I live in central NJ, so I cast a pretty wide net in the course of my travels. The toys are peg-warmers at every major outlet in the state. Which is in no way indicative of the state of things nation-wide, but... it's not a GOOD sign. I *have* seen kids flip out over TMNT stuff, but not for a good long while now. The movie and the related toys honestly killed a lot of the buzz for the Nick stuff, just by being so different (and crummy).

I'm more of an objective observer: I don't love the show and I haven't bought any of the new toys. But looking at the data itself with no bias whatsoever, I can say with absolute certainty... the Nick TMNT has peaked, both creatively and numbers-wise. People may not like to hear that, but it's absolutely the truth. Quality-wise, the show is definitely not going to reverse course and go back to the way it was in Season 1 and 2. And the "Fad" side of things has already run its course. The toys were apparently of lackluster quality and the adult collectors who would otherwise be supporting the line once the kids lost interest are not bothering with it. The movie was FAR too divisive, cracked the fanbase right in half, and sent a ton of very mixed messages back to Nick/Viacom insofar as to what the TMNT audience in general actually WANTS. Just to name a few reasons.

Most likely, a soft reboot of the cartoon will be coming in another season or two a'la Fast Forward or Back to the Sewers, so they can try and revamp the toyline along with it. if the second movie doesn't do great, then it becomes 50/50, they either reboot the show or cancel it outright. It's an entirely different "arm" of the Turtles franchise, but the fact is that the success of the entire franchise as a whole is unfortunately resting in the hands of the most profitable venture, those awful movies. If the movies stop making money - which they soon will because they are AWFUL, and you can only fool the people for so long before they get wise - then Nick/Viacom will take it as "TMNT isn't 'hot' anymore" and shelve it for a while.

So, I can't predict WHEN it's going to end, but it's on the downward slope, definitely. It's the nature of the franchise; the basic stories of TMNT become repetitive very quickly. It's not exactly "built to last". People stay invested because they like the characters, and you CAN tell any kind of stories with those characters... but they Don't. They always do the same basic story a few times, it gets stale, they do a dramatic reboot to stretch it another year or two, then they give it a rest, then bring it back a few years later when people get hungry for it again. But with each and every new incarnation of TMNT, the novelty wears off very, very quickly.

And that's fine. Those "rest periods" are essential for keeping TMNT around for a long period of time. So, even though Nick TMNT is definitely on the way out - even if it takes 3 or 4 more seasons - it'll be fine. It'll be back. Hopefully it'll even be a little better next time. So don't panic. :)

Vicky82
06-23-2015, 12:41 AM
We getting new episodes in August now

https://41.media.tumblr.com/b36eed2f3734335701bdce6a814653f9/tumblr_nqd9d4gs4h1u5rny0o1_540.jpg

Powder
06-23-2015, 12:54 AM
Read this page & the one before it.

Vicky82
06-23-2015, 01:01 AM
Read this page & the one before it.

Whoops sorry, i'm still half asleep.

CyberCubed
06-23-2015, 01:37 AM
The thing is all new shows have a "cool down" period after roughly its first 3 seasons. Any TV show in existence that goes on for multiple seasons always declines in ratings as it progresses. This is not unusual.

Leo656
06-23-2015, 01:58 AM
What's changed is, shows usually aren't allowed to "limp along" for a few extra seasons just for the heck of it anymore. If the ratings slide and the toys stagnate, it's Game Over.

The 2003 He-Man revival was critically acclaimed on all fronts. Both the toys and the cartoon were doing huge business, and even the comics had a ton of buss. Then Mattel yanked the plug on everything the SECOND things cooled off - which was entirely their own stupid fault in the first place as to WHY things cooled off, but that's neither here nor there.

Point being, attention spans are shorter all around these days. Both the kids and the network are all too happy to shift gears and look at something else as soon as it looks like the current model is stagnant. I mean, look how long "Beware The Batman" lasted, and Batman's only a billion times more popular than Ninja Turtles. It wasn't huge immediately, so it was canned. TMNT has earned themselves some breathing room by having a big jump out of the gate, but interest has definitely started to slip and I can't really see how they'd be able to swing it back around. What they'll TRY, is a retooling, eventually, but that's always a huge risk.

It may very well go two more seasons and maybe even more. But we've passed the "peak".

Wildcat
06-23-2015, 03:19 AM
If it's episodes not being ready or whatever why don't they just air seasons where the episodes already made and they air them weekly until they're done and then we wait til fall or whenever for the next season.

This is the typical format for almost every tv show. Theres a couple weeks now and then when it's skipped for holidays and stuff which is fine. Then they pick right back up.

With Tmnt its all over the place. Gravity Falls has done the same. What makes them think this is a good format? Theres no excuse for it.

BubblyShell22
06-23-2015, 08:30 AM
Okay. I understand that Winx club was cancelled on Nick due to low ratings, but, if memory serves, isn't this how it was phased out? Pointless Spongebob marathons? Huh, now I wonder, if that's WHY it had low ratings. Frick. I'm probably just being a broken record here, but I wonder if that's what's going on (yeah, I know, everyone's been saying that, just hmm). :ohwell::tmad: Permission drop an actual f-bomb? (Still censored of course.)

Edit: Huh. So, Winx is still airing new episodes outside the US? Eeeh, still, that's besides the point. My point is, it ain't looking good for TMNT.

Oh, yeah, I was p*ssed that they took off Winx Club. That was the only other show besides TMNT that I liked and now I don't watch anything but TMNT.

So no new episodes until August? That just sucks. I don't know if I can go that long without TMNT. I really don't. They better show some reruns in between or I'm really going to be going through some serious withdrawal.

Klunk1234
06-23-2015, 08:59 AM
The show that should be cancelled is that pathetic SpongeBob SquarePants. It simply make me nauseous.

I have to wait with patient for the TMNT new episodes.

jenna
06-23-2015, 03:12 PM
Can this thread also serve as a "When will UK Nick get its act together and catch the hell up" thread?

Seriously. There are episodes in existence that I haven't seen and it's frustrating. TMNT is my only refuge from the corporate world! Don't have to wear a suit and heels to watch TMNT. Pyjama time is getting boring on rolling repeat episodes. :x

CyberCubed
06-23-2015, 04:05 PM
I fully expect Nick TMNT to have 7 seasons and a DTV movie (like Turtles Forever) before it ends.

The 2k3 series didn't get anywhere the good ratings Nick does, and it managed to go on for 7 years.

ToTheNines
06-23-2015, 04:15 PM
We fully understand what you fully expect.

Shut the **** up and move along.

BubblyShell22
06-23-2015, 04:42 PM
^ Yeah, what he said. Stop acting like you know what's going to happen when you don't. I'm afraid you're going to jinx this, and if you do, you'll have to feel the wrath of many TMNT fans. So, quiet you.

GoldMutant
06-23-2015, 04:47 PM
Cubed, you can make assumptions all you want and then brag, but the fact of the matter is the ratings are going downhill. They've never reached the 3.x millions since the first season and lost 2.x million by season 2's end (Vision Quest did reach past it though). If Nick's standards are clear, anything not drawing will drop easily. If this keeps happening, the show is going away after season 4 or if he can fulfill his dream, season 5.

The poor marketing of the show, terrible advertisement, and the lack of structure has been frustrating for viewers. It's why people are tuning out, no hype, just throwing down anything. Even if the episodes are great and up there as the all time greatest episodes, it won't back up for the damages.

BubblyShell22
06-23-2015, 04:49 PM
Yes, exactly. And the scheduling has a lot to do with it, too, and that's a shame. They did say there's a possibility of a spin-off series in the works, so if this show does end at season four or five, they do have the spin-off to continue it if they want to.

CyberCubed
06-23-2015, 06:06 PM
The cartoons/toyline (and the licensing), is the only major aspect of TMNT that Nick gets revenue from. That's why it will continue.

The IDW comics probably barely make a profit for Nick. Considering each comic only sells around 18,000 a month and IDW probably gets most of those profits, Nick is probably licensing the comic more out of good-will than anything else.

The movies? The first movie didn't light the box office on fire and the second won't either.

The cartoon, and the stuff associated with it like the toyline, the T-shirts, apparel, etc....is what Nick spent $60 million on. There's no way they'll give that up. You really think Nick will own the TMNT license for 3 years and give up on it? No.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
06-23-2015, 06:16 PM
TMNT has earned themselves some breathing room by having a big jump out of the gate, but interest has definitely started to slip and I can't really see how they'd be able to swing it back around. What they'll TRY, is a retooling, eventually, but that's always a huge risk.

In other words, you can expect a Mystic, Fast Forward, or Back to the Sewers-styled rebrand in another season or two. 'Cause WE NEED TO SELL MORE TOYS!

CyberCubed
06-23-2015, 06:17 PM
In other words, you can expect a Mystic, Fast Forward, or Back to the Sewers-styled rebrand in another season or two. 'Cause WE NEED TO SELL MORE TOYS!

Please don't give them any ideas, there's already that "Half-Shell Heroes" toyline they can make into a show with chibi Turtles in a comedy series like Teen Titans Go. *shudders*

Aaronardo
06-23-2015, 06:24 PM
Please don't give them any ideas, there's already that "Half-Shell Heroes" toyline they can make into a show with chibi Turtles in a comedy series like Teen Titans Go. *shudders*

"Don't give them any ideas"
Immediately gives them idea.

(HUSH UP, CUBED! We can't let them even think about that :P)

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
06-23-2015, 07:16 PM
Please don't give them any ideas, there's already that "Half-Shell Heroes" toyline they can make into a show with chibi Turtles in a comedy series like Teen Titans Go. *shudders*

Everyone was talking about the potential spin-off like it was happening because the Turtles and the Nick show were so possible.

Methinks it might actually be the opposite case, and Nick trying to inject new blood into the show. Kinda like how Batman TAS revamped its character designs in the fourth season. (Or was it the third?)

Please don't give them any ideas, there's already that "Half-Shell Heroes" toyline they can make into a show with chibi Turtles in a comedy series like Teen Titans Go. *shudders*

And hold on just a DAMN MINUTE, CC.

YOU'RE the guy always singing the praises of Fast Forward, and now you're shuddering with repulsion at the thought of another FF-styled season? :teek:

PangolinFeets
06-23-2015, 07:22 PM
Long hiatuses always kill my hype. Ugh.

Leo656
06-23-2015, 10:04 PM
We fully understand what you fully expect.

Shut the **** up and move along.

:lol: I laughed harder than I should've. :lol:

BubblyShell22
06-24-2015, 08:32 AM
Yeah, talk about hypocrisy, Cubed. When you get mad when people diss FF and say it's the best season out there, now you're saying, "Oh please don't do anything like that!" Seriously, what is your deal?

And you know how I'm going to deal with this long hiatus? I'm going to write fan fiction until my fingers bleed. That'll help me stay occupied.

THGhost
06-24-2015, 03:12 PM
http://hughstimson.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/algoremousepad-tdg-igyn-fb-125251141.jpg

You really think Nick will own the TMNT license for 3 years and give up on it? No.

Even if the current series does end sooner than expected, Nick won't let that be the end of TMNT. :P

CyberCubed
06-24-2015, 04:12 PM
Yeah, talk about hypocrisy, Cubed. When you get mad when people diss FF and say it's the best season out there, now you're saying, "Oh please don't do anything like that!" Seriously, what is your deal?

And you know how I'm going to deal with this long hiatus? I'm going to write fan fiction until my fingers bleed. That'll help me stay occupied.

How is Half-Shell Heroes which I would assume would be like Teen Titans Go, be anything like Fast Forward? Fast Forward had plenty of action and villains just set in the future.

BubblyShell22
06-24-2015, 06:11 PM
Dude, you said that you didn't want anything like FF or BTTS and even added a shudder there. Now, if you were being sarcastic, that's one thing, but you come off as though you don't want that when you praised both of those series to the hilt.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
06-24-2015, 06:58 PM
Dude, you said that you didn't want anything like FF or BTTS and even added a shudder there. Now, if you were being sarcastic, that's one thing, but you come off as though you don't want that when you praised both of those series to the hilt.

It's not his fault, Bubbly. Thinking about those warm quivering cavernous turtle nostrils gets him pretty distracted. :twink:

CyberCubed
06-24-2015, 07:49 PM
Dude, you said that you didn't want anything like FF or BTTS and even added a shudder there. Now, if you were being sarcastic, that's one thing, but you come off as though you don't want that when you praised both of those series to the hilt.

I was referring to a franchise revamp to make it more kid or toddler like.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
06-24-2015, 08:05 PM
I was referring to a franchise revamp to make it more kid or toddler like.

Right. Exactly what Fast Forward did. :twink:

turtlefanforever
06-24-2015, 08:36 PM
I was referring to a franchise revamp to make it more kid or toddler like.

It already is kiddie & toddler

TurtleTitan97
06-24-2015, 08:37 PM
It already is kiddie & toddler

Speak for yourself, man.

CyberCubed
06-24-2015, 08:51 PM
Right. Exactly what Fast Forward did. :twink:

Fast Forward was nothing toddler like. It was lighter than the first 4-5 seasons and had worse animation, but it was all action oriented.

Jester
06-24-2015, 09:06 PM
It already is kiddie & toddler
But don't you like the FW series? The original kiddie version?

Autbot_Benz
06-24-2015, 09:20 PM
But don't you like the FW series? The original kiddie version?

careful what you say about the FW series or 1987 will get his panties in a knot. :lol:

THGhost
06-24-2015, 09:44 PM
It's not his fault, Bubbly. Thinking about those warm quivering cavernous turtle nostrils gets him pretty distracted. :twink:

:lol:

I was referring to a franchise revamp to make it more kid or toddler like.

It already is kiddie & toddler

Speak for yourself, man.

Oh you guys are killing me. :lol:

Jester
06-24-2015, 09:48 PM
careful what you say about the FW series or 1987 will get his panties in a knot. :lol:
Never said I didn't like it...but to say one is childish while praising the other seems hypocritical.

Foombamaroom
06-25-2015, 12:15 AM
Man... I don't go on the hiatus rant threat for a day and we're talking about Fast Forward... Dark times have been bestowed upon us, my friends.

THGhost
06-25-2015, 06:33 AM
Man... I don't go on the hiatus rant threat for a day and we're talking about Fast Forward... Dark times have been bestowed upon us, my friends.

It could be worse. We could be talking about The Next Muta- oh my God what have I done!?

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
06-25-2015, 08:00 AM
It could be worse. We could be talking about The Next Muta- oh my God what have I done!?

Yay! Burn this thread down! Kill it with fire! Sacrifice it to the unholy depths of darkness to appease the evil forces!

I DEMAND a Venus de Milo and Triple Threat team up!!!!

BubblyShell22
06-25-2015, 08:25 AM
And don't forget the introduction of Cody Jones. Man, that would be awkward in more ways than one.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
06-25-2015, 08:51 AM
And don't forget the introduction of Cody Jones. Man, that would be awkward in more ways than one.

I KNEW I was forgetting the most annoying character from FF.

Cody Jones and Serling. Yay. Honestly, I'd take Venus de Milo over those two ANY DAY.

Foombamaroom
06-25-2015, 10:08 AM
Imagine Cody being introduced in the 2012 series? Donnie would probably murder him.
Cody: Hi, I'm Cody! I'm the son of April and Casey Jones---
Donnie: SON OF A B*TCH!!!!

In fact, I'm pretty sure Donnie's prime motivation for getting home to the present would be so he could b*tch slap Casey from 9 different angles.

Foombamaroom
06-25-2015, 10:14 AM
I KNEW I was forgetting the most annoying character from FF.

Cody Jones and Serling. Yay. Honestly, I'd take Venus de Milo over those two ANY DAY.

I don't want to think about Venus, though. In fact, I don't even want to think about Next Mutation at all. I care for that show about as much as Michael Bay cares for the original source material of any adaptation he's doing.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
06-25-2015, 04:10 PM
I don't want to think about Venus, though. In fact, I don't even want to think about Next Mutation at all. I care for that show about as much as Michael Bay cares for the original source material of any adaptation he's doing.

I don't agree with the idea of Venus de Milo at all (Sons of the Silent age perfectly encapsulates my view on the Turtles' legacy perfectly... no offspring), but with different writers, the character could at least have been done well.

Imagine Cody being introduced in the 2012 series? Donnie would probably murder him.
Cody: Hi, I'm Cody! I'm the son of April and Casey Jones---
Donnie: SON OF A B*TCH!!!!

In fact, I'm pretty sure Donnie's prime motivation for getting home to the present would be so he could b*tch slap Casey from 9 different angles.

I like Casey well enough--as long as it's not Nick's version--but please, Donnie, bribe Raph to "accidentally" perform a field vascetomy with his sai. Blame it on the Foot Clan, whatever it takes.

Cody Jones and his robot flunky are ABOMINATIONS.

pennydreadful
06-25-2015, 04:49 PM
Now here's a toughie: who's more annoying - Cody Jones, or Zach? :tlol:

BubblyShell22
06-25-2015, 05:15 PM
Foom, Cody was their great-grandson, so they had a kid, who had a kid, who had Cody.

Penny, that's a toughie really. I'd say both are equally annoying.

CyberCubed
06-25-2015, 05:20 PM
Cody wasn't that annoying, he basically just had April's personality as a boy.

BubblyShell22
06-25-2015, 05:32 PM
Actually, he was very annoying, though maybe not as annoying as Zach. I couldn't stand him or that damn robot of his. Oh, and also Constable Biggles. I wanted to throw that guy off a cliff!

victory_angel
06-25-2015, 05:59 PM
I actually found Triple Threat more annoying.

I mean first appearing I was like :tconfuse: Okay....

Second appearance of Triple Threat :tgrumble: Seriously, this guy again?

Third appearance of Triple Threat :tmad: Oh you've got to be kidding me!!!

I didn't think Fast Forward was all that bad. I do however feel that it did suffer from in need of a rewrite syndrome because it would have been better if it didn't resort to certain plots.

Also I found it hypocritcial of itself because Donnie is told that he and April were founders of O'Neil tech and as such the two of them play pivotal roles in creating that future.

And yet when the Turtle's have an opportunity to learn how they as a group helped create that future they are told by both Splinter and Cody "Oh no, you shouldn't read this because it could affect how this future is created"

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
06-25-2015, 06:06 PM
Now here's a toughie: who's more annoying - Cody Jones, or Zach? :tlol:

I'd say Cody, just because the 4Kids series was still consistently great until Fast Forward happened. "Okay, so not only are we leaving April, Casey, Leatherhead, Fugitoid, Karai, the Foot Clan, Utroms, Bishop, Baxter, and the Rat King behind... but you're throwing in a DAMN CHILD SIDEKICK AND HIS ROBOT BUTLER!?" Insult to injury.

Cody wasn't that annoying, he basically just had April's personality as a boy.

And Triple Threat was a credible villain and universally beloved. Dude, Cody was in need of taking the quickest route to the ground from a twenty-story building.

aliena
06-25-2015, 08:45 PM
I was fuming mad when I saw the intro to FF. I was like...what the hell is this? Who is this punk kid? Who designed the turtles and what are they wearing? I almost skipped it entirely, but I thought I might miss something cool, maybe. It's not my favorite season of TMNT, but it did grow on me over time. There were a few things I did like...


I liked that they got to do normal things since they could go out in public. It was cool to see them going to the mall or enter into a race.

I liked the dark turtles a lot. I don't know about everyone else on that. I loved dark Leo. I sort of wish they would show up on Nick.

I liked that they got to live in a house like normal people. It was surprising that Raph didn't love the future since he got to live normally for once.

CyberCubed
06-26-2015, 02:45 AM
And Triple Threat was a credible villain and universally beloved. Dude, Cody was in need of taking the quickest route to the ground from a twenty-story building.

Triple Threat was indeed terrible, but he was only in 3 episodes. 3 episodes out of a 26 episode season. You act like he was the main villain or something.

TheJ-manTurtleMan
06-26-2015, 04:42 AM
I had no idea there was so much hate for Fast Forward. I wasn't around on this forum when it was airing, and I don't spend much time on the 4 kids section. Why so much hate? I really enjoy it, almost more so than the 2003 series

neatoman
06-26-2015, 04:48 AM
Now here's a toughie: who's more annoying - Cody Jones, or Zach? :tlol:

Zach. Cody there was a reason for him to be there and had something akin to development, Zach on the other hand was just there in a couple of episodes.

Powder
06-26-2015, 05:07 AM
I had no idea there was so much hate for Fast Forward. I wasn't around on this forum when it was airing, and I don't spend much time on the 4 kids section. Why so much hate? I really enjoy it, almost more so than the 2003 series

I think it's more of a vocal minority, really. Plenty of us like FF. I love it, even.

Ninturtle
06-26-2015, 05:39 AM
I think it's more of a vocal minority, really. Plenty of us like FF. I love it, even.

I enjoy Fast Foward even if it's not as good as previous seasons.

BubblyShell22
06-26-2015, 07:29 AM
Oh, I forgot about Triple Threat being annoying. Oh, and Jammerhead got on my nerves, too. I did like the Dark Turtles though as they were interesting.

Foombamaroom
06-26-2015, 08:28 AM
Foom, Cody was their great-grandson, so they had a kid, who had a kid, who had Cody.

Son, I know I've already used this line, but I'll reword it and use it again because it's relevant: I care less about FF's source material than Michael Bay cares about the regular source material.

I Dude, Cody was in need of taking the quickest route to the ground from a twenty-story building.
Twenty-two story building if you add Serling to it.

Oh, I forgot about Triple Threat being annoying. Oh, and Jammerhead got on my nerves, too. I did like the Dark Turtles though as they were interesting.
Dark Turtles were pretty good. I honestly didn't mind Sh'Okanabo to be honest. The only good thing about Fast Forward was that Bishop was the president of the world, tbh.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
06-26-2015, 09:23 AM
Son, I know I've already used this line, but I'll reword it and use it again because it's relevant: I care less about FF's source material than Michael Bay cares about the regular source material.

:tlol: Sir, with words like that, you are going to completely win my heart and devotion.

I had no idea there was so much hate for Fast Forward. I wasn't around on this forum when it was airing, and I don't spend much time on the 4 kids section. Why so much hate? I really enjoy it, almost more so than the 2003 series

I hate something that, at its core, could be amazing, but then fails to live up to its potential in any meaningful way.

So much of Mirage TMNT canon shows that the Turtles are equally at home with science fiction as gritty urban warfare. I'll address this more as I reply to Aliena...

I was fuming mad when I saw the intro to FF. I was like...what the hell is this? Who is this punk kid? Who designed the turtles and what are they wearing? I almost skipped it entirely, but I thought I might miss something cool, maybe. It's not my favorite season of TMNT, but it did grow on me over time. There were a few things I did like...

I liked that they got to do normal things since they could go out in public. It was cool to see them going to the mall or enter into a race.

I liked the dark turtles a lot. I don't know about everyone else on that. I loved dark Leo. I sort of wish they would show up on Nick.

I liked that they got to live in a house like normal people. It was surprising that Raph didn't love the future since he got to live normally for once.

When Volume 4 was good, it was great. (Unfortunately, April's whole subplot, random Raph mutations, and endless plots that never finished marr its reputation.)

The concept of the Utroms making Official First Contact, and allowing the Turtles to freely join public society? Golden. I love it so much.

And concepts like the Dark Turtles or President Bishop were incredible. But except for Bishop, there are NO links to the Turtles' past in any way (save, of course, Cody).

Now, for my money, this is what Fast Forward SHOULD have been:


The Utroms. WHY THE HELL were there no Utroms!? Show the Utrom Embassy, maybe even Leatherhead and Fugitoid
Send Donnie (and maybe all the guys) on at least a couple of adventures adapting some of the better Mirage stories involving Donny, the Utroms, and scientific exploration
Much more focus on Cody and his Uncle, and the machinations there
Fully developed Dark Turtles and a Dark Turtle storyline that actually got to matter and conclude
More from President Bishop and also Baxter Stockman


To sum, Fast Forward should have EMBRACED the Turtles' history (both in 4Kids and Mirage source material) and not divorced itself so completely from same.

turtlefanforever
06-26-2015, 09:39 AM
But don't you like the FW series? The original kiddie version?

One was used to build a brand (1987) the other to destroy it.

Amaranthus
06-26-2015, 09:46 AM
One was used to build a brand (1987) the other to destroy it.

I oughta destroy your ass with my foot.

Foombamaroom
06-26-2015, 10:45 AM
I oughta destroy your ass with my foot.

Wow. Your words are terrifying. I bet he's shaking.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
06-26-2015, 10:57 AM
Wow. Your words are terrifying. I bet he's shaking.

Not gonna lie here; my own ass quivered in fear for a moment before it realized that the threat wasn't directed at it.

I have now taken a mild sedative with two fingers of vodka and am allowing my biological seat cushions to rest upon a soothing recliner as their shaken nerves recuperate.

Foombamaroom
06-26-2015, 11:12 AM
Not gonna lie here; my own ass quivered in fear for a moment before it realized that the threat wasn't directed at it.

I have now taken a mild sedative with two fingers of vodka and am allowing my biological seat cushions to rest upon a soothing recliner as their shaken nerves recuperate.

I'm so sorry you've had this experience. But hey, think of it like this: it's not half as bad as the feeling you had when you walked out of TMNT 2014!

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
06-26-2015, 11:59 AM
I'm so sorry you've had this experience. But hey, think of it like this: it's not half as bad as the feeling you had when you walked out of TMNT 2014!

:tlol::tlol::tlol::tlol:

Chapped and raw, you mean? :twink: Or as Cap'n Jack Sparrow would say "I feel sullied and unusual..."

TheBlueTurtle1
06-26-2015, 12:00 PM
I had no idea there was so much hate for Fast Forward. I wasn't around on this forum when it was airing, and I don't spend much time on the 4 kids section. Why so much hate? I really enjoy it, almost more so than the 2003 series

I t was great, enough said!

Amaranthus
06-26-2015, 12:19 PM
Wow. Your words are terrifying. I bet he's shaking.

I'll be sure to shake my foot when it's in your ass.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
06-26-2015, 12:22 PM
I'll be sure to shake my foot when it's in your ass.

You know there are such things as therapy and anger management, right? It's okay to admit you have a problem and need help. And I'm being serious when I say this.

Amaranthus
06-26-2015, 12:23 PM
You know there are such things as therapy and anger management, right? It's okay to admit you have a problem and need help. And I'm being serious when I say this.

You'll be the one with a problem when my foot's in your ass.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
06-26-2015, 12:31 PM
You'll be the one with a problem when my foot's in your ass.

So it's a fetish, not anger? :teek:

Eew.

Foombamaroom
06-26-2015, 12:45 PM
I'll be sure to shake my foot when it's in your ass.

You'll be the one with a problem when my foot's in your ass.

So it's a fetish, not anger? :teek:

Eew.

Cylon, don't encourage him. Next time he'll stick both of his feet up your ass.

Metalhead 2.0
06-26-2015, 12:57 PM
In other words, you can expect a Mystic, Fast Forward, or Back to the Sewers-styled rebrand in another season or two. 'Cause WE NEED TO SELL MORE TOYS!

Isn't that basically what this Dimension X crap is going to be about?

Seems Playmates is focusing an awful lot of the toy-line on the "Dimension X" branding.

Cylon, don't encourage him. Next time he'll stick both of his feet up your ass.

Everybody needs at least one nice pair of brown socks.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
06-26-2015, 01:01 PM
Cylon, don't encourage him. Next time he'll stick both of his feet up your ass.

This kid needs to find a different role model than Michael Bay.

Fortunately, my posterior is save, unviolated, and awaits posterity.

Amaranthus
06-26-2015, 01:05 PM
I wish I had 2000 feet, so I could put 500 in each of your asses.

I'm going to try and get professional help for my foot and me.

Metalhead 2.0
06-26-2015, 01:07 PM
I wish I had 2000 feet, so I could put 500 in each of your asses.

I've lost track of who you're even talking to at this point.

Amaranthus
06-26-2015, 01:08 PM
I've lost track of who you're even talking to at this point.

It's okay. I'm a changed man now.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
06-26-2015, 01:08 PM
There are probably a few different Foot Clan puns to be made here, but honestly, I've got other things to get done. Maybe later...

Metalhead 2.0
06-26-2015, 01:09 PM
It's okay. I'm a changed man now.

Yeah, just like Bruce Jenner.

Amaranthus
06-26-2015, 01:11 PM
Yeah, just like Bruce Jenner.

http://i.imgur.com/bCzE0ke.jpg

Powder
06-26-2015, 01:20 PM
:To sum, Fast Forward should have EMBRACED the Turtles' history (both in 4Kids and Mirage source material) and not divorced itself so completely from same.

Personally, I think the 4kids series was at it's best when it wasn't reliant on past material. I like the Ninja Tribunal, 4th, & FF seasons best of all. I realize I am likely in the minority, but I'd much rather see what the very talented creative team came up with on their own as opposed to watching Mirage classics get watered down, butchered, & run through a TV-Y7/Playmates filter. On that same note, I wouldn't necessarily want to see a bunch of new content derived from that same source when the tone was obviously going to be lighter from that point forward. :P

Foombamaroom
06-26-2015, 01:22 PM
Everybody needs at least one nice pair of brown socks.
You nastay.
I wish I had 2000 feet, so I could put 500 in each of your asses.

I'm going to try and get professional help for my foot and me.


It's okay. I'm a changed man now.
Yeah, instead of foots, he's gonna start shoving cleats and roller skates up our asses.

http://i.imgur.com/bCzE0ke.jpg Not gonna lie, I laughed incredibly hard at this.

Ninjinister
06-26-2015, 01:30 PM
No freaking clue what's going on here. Came in looking for ETA since I haven't been around often only to find no discussion on the subject.

Amaranthus
06-26-2015, 01:37 PM
Just me doing improv. That's all.

Metalhead 2.0
06-26-2015, 01:57 PM
No freaking clue what's going on here. Came in looking for ETA since I haven't been around often only to find no discussion on the subject.

No official ETA.
Speculation is August...

BubblyShell22
06-26-2015, 04:28 PM
Yep, no date confirmed on when in August it's going to air, and that sucks.

Ninjinister
06-26-2015, 08:28 PM
No official ETA.
Speculation is August...

Wait, August?

What the chicken-fried f**k stick?

TheJ-manTurtleMan
06-27-2015, 03:33 AM
Personally, I think the 4kids series was at it's best when it wasn't reliant on past material. I like the Ninja Tribunal, 4th, & FF seasons best of all. I realize I am likely in the minority, but I'd much rather see what the very talented creative team came up with on their own as opposed to watching Mirage classics get watered down, butchered, & run through a TV-Y7/Playmates filter. On that same note, I wouldn't necessarily want to see a bunch of new content derived from that same source when the tone was obviously going to be lighter from that point forward. :P

I see what you did there... :twink:

No, I am with you in that minority, season 4 is great, I think "the Ancient One" might be my favorite episode of the whole series.

ObiWanFan4life
06-27-2015, 06:48 AM
Yep, no date confirmed on when in August it's going to air, and that sucks.

So they make us wait another month and they can't even be bothered to give us an official premiere date? Awesome.

MaximeLoonatic
06-27-2015, 07:20 AM
Can we try to think positive, people?
Maybe they are having a brainstorm about what to do in the show, which means the possibility of more seasons

BubblyShell22
06-27-2015, 08:16 AM
No, it has nothing to do with that. This is all the network's doing as I believe Brandon said it was out of their hands when the show would air.

ObiWanFan4life
06-27-2015, 08:35 AM
This might be a dumb question but, what thought process is going through the heads of Nickelodeon's higher ups?

Foombamaroom
06-27-2015, 08:58 AM
This might be a dumb question but, what thought process is going through the heads of Nickelodeon's higher ups?

No one knows. A popular theory is that they're being controlled by the Sponge.

Metalwolf
06-27-2015, 11:15 AM
Can we try to think positive, people?
Maybe they are having a brainstorm about what to do in the show, which means the possibility of more seasonsOr how to make the last season go out with a bang.

Warhorse
06-27-2015, 01:14 PM
No, it has nothing to do with that. This is all the network's doing as I believe Brandon said it was out of their hands when the show would air.

I remember back in the day, on the broadcast networks, if the executives wanted to get rid of a show that had an otherwise, pretty good ratings record, they would start changing and messing with the air times, in hopes to get the viewership ratings to drop, and then they would have their arsenol to cancel the show. The way Nick has been treating TMNT makes me wonder if they are trying to do the same thing.

THGhost
06-27-2015, 01:15 PM
the Sponge.

That little **** really needs to die. :roll:

CyberCubed
06-27-2015, 06:03 PM
I remember back in the day, on the broadcast networks, if the executives wanted to get rid of a show that had an otherwise, pretty good ratings record, they would start changing and messing with the air times, in hopes to get the viewership ratings to drop, and then they would have their arsenol to cancel the show. The way Nick has been treating TMNT makes me wonder if they are trying to do the same thing.

Nick spent $60 million for the franchise, the show is already renewed for Season 4, and they're likely in the planning stages for Season 5. The show is going to go on for a few more years.

TurFlytle
06-27-2015, 07:53 PM
That little **** really needs to die. :roll:

Kill all the writers except for Stephen Hillenburg. Also, kill the person who made the new Spongebob design. (Those goddamn cheeks) Finally, kill the higher ups at Nick. Problem solved. Spongebob is good again and it's no longer a cash cow for repeats.

Powder
06-27-2015, 07:56 PM
You people need help.

THGhost
06-27-2015, 10:49 PM
Kill all the writers except for Stephen Hillenburg. Also, kill the person who made the new Spongebob design. (Those goddamn cheeks) Finally, kill the higher ups at Nick. Problem solved. Spongebob is good again and it's no longer a cash cow for repeats.

I didn't realise they'd redesigned him. Are they that desperate for people to still like him?

You people need help.

You've only just noticed? :lol:

Warhorse
06-28-2015, 12:25 AM
Nick spent $60 million for the franchise, the show is already renewed for Season 4, and they're likely in the planning stages for Season 5. The show is going to go on for a few more years.

We'll see. Right now, Nicks profit isn't coming from the show, but the toys and deals with food companies like Pop Secret or Kraft. And, I am going to assume, with CG animation, and top class actors voicing in the show, the show isn't cheap to produce. And due to the fact that they don't even air the show, meaning that advertising on the show means little to nothing for them, again, I am going to assume Nick is not getting their return on their investment in the show. For me, it makes little sense to make a show, if you aren't even going to broadcast it on your network, and they are already proving with the massive toy sales, and the lack of airtime for the show, that they don't need the show to sell merch.

Amaranthus
06-28-2015, 03:25 AM
You people need help.

The Technodrome Forums, where people start bitching about Spongebob in a rant about TMNT 2012.

Walkabout
06-28-2015, 03:39 AM
I've only just now bought season 2 on DVD and started watching it :lol:

Anyway, the show isn't perfect but I thoroughly enjoy it.

Amaranthus
06-28-2015, 03:48 AM
I've only just now bought season 2 on DVD and started watching it :lol:

Anyway, the show isn't perfect but I thoroughly enjoy it.

I read your name as Wankabout. Together with your avatar that's just hilarious.

Walkabout
06-28-2015, 04:06 AM
I read your name as Wankabout. Together with your avatar that's just hilarious.

Hey, if the shoe fits :lol:

ranger_scout
06-29-2015, 12:00 PM
Yep, no date confirmed on when in August it's going to air, and that sucks.

I guess Nickelodeon decided to do the same thing with this show that they have been doing with Power Rangers for the past few years, which is airing the new episodes in the spring, fall, and winter.

BubblyShell22
06-29-2015, 04:30 PM
Yeah, I guess so. Ah well, July will be here on Wednesday and then it'll be a few weeks and then hopefully we'll get new episodes.

ssjup81
06-29-2015, 04:34 PM
Well, in my case that's no problem. I'm in the process of moving again and I'm not sure about Internet after today. Didn't realize there wasn't a new episode airing in July. Thought it was supposed to, though.

THGhost
06-29-2015, 04:38 PM
Yeah, I guess so. Ah well, July will be here on Wednesday and then it'll be a few weeks and then hopefully we'll get new episodes.

Let's hope July passes just as fast as June has. I don't know about anyone else but this month seems to have flown by this year.

BubblyShell22
06-29-2015, 04:46 PM
I'm sure it will after the holiday is over as it usually does. Then again, the years always fly by. I don't think there's ever been a slow year for a long time.

pannoni1
06-29-2015, 04:59 PM
There's no movie this year and kids are focusing on camp, vacations, and other summer activities, so thus a hiatus isn't to be unexpected in the summer. That said, I did see that the TMNT Fan Club game is now offline and has this "Fix-O-Matic 3000" robot when you load it (not to mention saying March Mutation Madness for the past few months is another warning sign). I'm just grateful that the show isn't yet cancelled and that despite the somewhat bad press with the recent movie, there isn't a mass exodus of the franchise.

BubblyShell22
06-30-2015, 08:48 AM
Never fear! We're getting new eps August second according to Brandon Auman. Whoo Hoo!

Ninjinister
06-30-2015, 03:26 PM
Never fear! We're getting new eps August second according to Brandon Auman. Whoo Hoo!

What comfort is that?

BubblyShell22
06-30-2015, 04:09 PM
It means that we now know when they'll be airing whereas before we had no confirmed air date.

CyberCubed
06-30-2015, 04:12 PM
I bet the Season 4 hiatus will be even worse since there's only 20 episodes that season instead of 26.

Vicky82
06-30-2015, 04:21 PM
I bet the Season 4 hiatus will be even worse since there's only 20 episodes that season instead of 26.

It will likely go on at least a 3 month hiatus between May and August next year because of the new movie coming out, like last year.

BubblyShell22
06-30-2015, 04:27 PM
Probably will be like that, but I'm not worried about that right now. I'm just happy we got confirmation about when the new eps for season 3 will air.

THGhost
07-01-2015, 09:18 AM
Didn't they tell us we'd definitely be getting new episodes last month though? They could break their promise again.

BubblyShell22
07-01-2015, 09:25 AM
True, but something tells me they'll stick with this. And if they don't, then I'll be very mad.

THGhost
07-01-2015, 02:03 PM
They no doubt won't want to disappoint their viewers again. I personally don't mind waiting, but even I have to admit it's been a while now.

ABrown
07-01-2015, 02:32 PM
You people really miss the show that much? I mean Nick Toons airs the show constantly. I guess I just don't find the show as entertaining as other people apparently do. If you want to see something new, go watch the two part Star Wars: Rebels episode(s) "Seige of Lothal" on Disney XD. Now THAT'S an action cartoon.

Powder
07-01-2015, 03:02 PM
Star Wars is not TMNT, I'd think that's rather obvious. When you crave pizza, a burger's not gonna cut it.

BubblyShell22
07-01-2015, 03:28 PM
You people really miss the show that much? I mean Nick Toons airs the show constantly. I guess I just don't find the show as entertaining as other people apparently do. If you want to see something new, go watch the two part Star Wars: Rebels episode(s) "Seige of Lothal" on Disney XD. Now THAT'S an action cartoon.

Not everybody gets NickToons so watching it there is impossible. Sure, there's always the DVDs, but after a while, it's just not the same as seeing something new. But as we know, only a few more weeks, and we'll get new episodes, so it's not as bad as before when we weren't sure when it was going to air.


Star Wars is not TMNT, I'd think that's rather obvious. When you crave pizza, a burger's not gonna cut it.

My thoughts exactly. Different strokes for different folks.

THGhost
07-01-2015, 05:01 PM
Couldn't have put it any better myself, Powder. Yes we miss this show, of course we do.

Not only do some of us not have access to Nick Toons, but we also want something new. Not to watch the same old episodes over and over.

Powder
07-01-2015, 05:06 PM
Yeah, & I've already watched all my Nick TMNT DVD's over the last 2 months, so why would watching repeats on TV with commercials no less be at all helpful?

CyberCubed
07-01-2015, 05:08 PM
Do people actually watch reruns on TV? I don't think I've ever done that for any show since I was a young teen like 13-15.

Whenever I rewatch a show I rewatch it in proper order either on DVDs or online. I didn't know people actually watch repeats every Saturday morning.

Cure
07-01-2015, 05:15 PM
If people didn't watch reruns they wouldn't exist.

CyberCubed
07-01-2015, 05:16 PM
If people didn't watch reruns they wouldn't exist.

But I imagine its mostly the 6-10 year old kids watching the reruns. I don't think older people really watch reruns on TV anymore.

Cure
07-01-2015, 05:24 PM
Yeah, sure, only kids watch reruns. Those marathons of Law & Order are a hit with 6-10 year olds.

Ashwolf
07-01-2015, 09:58 PM
aside from s4 being only 20 eps, the hiatus is gonna get a lot worse cause of new shows nick is gonna air either later this yr or next, some of them sound extremely lame

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_programs_broadcast_by_Nickelodeon

THGhost
07-01-2015, 11:28 PM
Yeah, sure, only kids watch reruns. Those marathons of Law & Order are a hit with 6-10 year olds.

Obviously he meant reruns of - ahhh **** it. :P

aside from s4 being only 20 eps, the hiatus is gonna get a lot worse cause of new shows nick is gonna air either later this yr or next, some of them sound extremely lame

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_programs_broadcast_by_Nickelodeon

"Pig Goat Banana Cricket (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig_Goat_Banana_Cricket)"? Now there's a name! :lol:

Powder
07-01-2015, 11:50 PM
aside from s4 being only 20 eps, the hiatus is gonna get a lot worse cause of new shows nick is gonna air either later this yr or next, some of them sound extremely lame

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_programs_broadcast_by_Nickelodeon

Wow, you mean these shows made for modern kids don't appeal to you, an adult? Color me surprised.

BubblyShell22
07-02-2015, 09:22 AM
But I imagine its mostly the 6-10 year old kids watching the reruns. I don't think older people really watch reruns on TV anymore.

I'm in my thirties, and I watch reruns all of the time if they're on. It's the way I get my TMNT fix. Just watched Deadly Venom on Sunday.

Ashwolf
07-02-2015, 10:57 AM
Wow, you mean these shows made for modern kids don't appeal to you, an adult? Color me surprised.

hey, I watch new shows all the time - anime wise

BubblyShell22
07-02-2015, 12:19 PM
I think Ash just meant that the shows they're putting on Nick don't appeal to her. Some of them don't appeal to me either.

Powder
07-02-2015, 12:57 PM
hey, I watch new shows all the time - anime wise

Anime is nothing like modern western cartoons, homie. Anime is for everybody, moreso young adults than kids, typically, as it's aimed at otaku collectors who will buy the statues/figures & read the manga it's based on, whereas this stuff you're dissing is clearly made for young children who like today's "lolsorandom" media.

Ashwolf
07-02-2015, 01:55 PM
Anime is nothing like modern western cartoons, homie. Anime is for everybody, moreso young adults than kids, typically, as it's aimed at otaku collectors who will buy the statues/figures & read the manga it's based on, whereas this stuff you're dissing is clearly made for young children who like today's "lolsorandom" media.

loosen up some, I was joking around on the last bit of my previous post, but yeah, some of the new shows nick is coming up w/ doesn't sound that interesting

ABrown
07-02-2015, 02:38 PM
Do people actually watch reruns on TV? I don't think I've ever done that for any show since I was a young teen like 13-15.

Whenever I rewatch a show I rewatch it in proper order either on DVDs or online. I didn't know people actually watch repeats every Saturday morning.

I don't buy dvds of EVERY show that I've ever enjoyed. That would be way too expensive for me. The Simpsons is probably my favorite cartoon of all time. And the only season set that I own is the first one, which I received as a gift before I even owned a dvd player. I usually only buy season sets of shows that I know that the only way that I'll be able to watch the show is by watching it on dvd.

drag0nfeathers
07-02-2015, 05:17 PM
I'm in my thirties, and I watch reruns all of the time if they're on. It's the way I get my TMNT fix. Just watched Deadly Venom on Sunday.

I'm 33 and I watched it too. Also, my DVR is full of reruns of my favorite episodes for when I need my TMNT fix. They're great for starting my day off on a high note before I head to work, or to unwind when I get home. *shrug* I've probably watched the very first two episodes about 20 times in my lifetime. It's just a great opener <3

I don't mind waiting till August I guess, though I'm not excited about it.

Also... reading this thread from start to finish over the past half hour was almost as entertaining as a new episode in and of itself. :tlol:

BubblyShell22
07-02-2015, 05:32 PM
I'm glad it entertained you in a way, dude. And August doesn't seem so far away now that we know when the show's going to air, so it's all good.

THGhost
07-05-2015, 05:09 PM
I don't buy dvds of EVERY show that I've ever enjoyed. That would be way too expensive for me. The Simpsons is probably my favorite cartoon of all time. And the only season set that I own is the first one, which I received as a gift before I even owned a dvd player. I usually only buy season sets of shows that I know that the only way that I'll be able to watch the show is by watching it on dvd.

It's a good thing you never tried purchasing the rest of The Simpsons then, since Fox halted production on any future DVD releases. :x

Warhorse
07-05-2015, 05:40 PM
I'm in my thirties, and I watch reruns all of the time if they're on. It's the way I get my TMNT fix. Just watched Deadly Venom on Sunday.

Yeah, I watch reruns of L&O, L&O SVU, NCIS, X-Files and Cold Case all of the time.

BubblyShell22
07-06-2015, 07:29 AM
Exactly. It's a way for us to cool down while we wait for new stuff. Hell, just watched The Pig and the Rhino yesterday in hopes of seeing a preview for upcoming episodes. Sadly, there wasn't one, but that could be remedied if there's a rerun next week.

STORMSHADOW__210
07-09-2015, 07:20 PM
Man this is getting rediculous . I just googled next episode and nothing. One cool thing about the delay last season was we didn't have a long wait to season 3. Hopefully soon. Off topic but do we know if the show was renewed post season 4?

Sabacooza
07-09-2015, 07:43 PM
Off topic but do we know if the show was renewed post season 4?Not yet. It might be announced at the con.

BubblyShell22
07-10-2015, 06:13 PM
Yes, they announced at Comic Con that it's been renewed for a twenty episode fifth season.

LeotheLateBloomer
07-11-2015, 09:23 AM
I'm calling it now; Nickelodeon is going to put this show on an even bigger hiatus with there being less episodes than before.

BubblyShell22
07-11-2015, 09:25 AM
They probably will, but that's out of the crew's hands. That all has to do with the network.