How many wish Xever to get a second mutation?

[Splinter the boss]

Personally I do, because I feel like he was much of a threat when he was human. But now that the turtles have gotten better his human form may not work. I believe he is too weak compared to the others, Donnatello knocked him out with a ball of trash in " the Pulverizer ". What do you think?

[senpai]

I personally like his character design. I also wouldn't mind if they decided to change him up a bit. But I don't think that's possible with mutagen lol Bradford went from buff poochie to skeletal wolf beast!

[Splinter the boss]

I personally like his character design. I also wouldn't mind if they decided to change him up a bit. But I don't think that's possible with mutagen lol Bradford went from buff poochie to skeletal wolf beast!

I am okay with fishface's character design, but I was talking more of his fighting abilities. And to be honest I like rhazar better than dogpound both in terms of abilities and design. I really would not mind if Fishface turned out like rhazar, as long as he gets better in abilities.

[Metalwolf]

I like his current design, but if anything I actually wish he'd get demutated. While he might appear to get a bit of screen-time with a second mutation (a half-skeleton fishy would catch eyes) it wouldn't last long and he'll just end up getting returned to the background after the newness wears off, and inevitably get nerfed like Rahzar.

Demutation though would allow a lot more possibilities, he could become a loosely aligned but valuable human ally to the Turtles (especially with him knowing some of Shredder's habits) or he could join with the Purple Dragons or Bishop (if they have him.) If he went with Bishop, I could see him turning on Tigerclaw and Rahzar, something that could be fun since I know he does not like those two.

Other then that, I can't help but be against double mutation because after Rahzar, it would feel like it's turning into a cheap gimmick to generate extra toy figures, which wouldn't make the quality of the show feel any better.

[BubblyShell22]

Nah, I don't want Xever to get double mutated. I'd rather he get demutated and then turn on Shredder.

[Splinter the boss]

I like his current design, but if anything I actually wish he'd get demutated. While he might appear to get a bit of screen-time with a second mutation (a half-skeleton fishy would catch eyes) it wouldn't last long and he'll just end up getting returned to the background after the newness wears off, and inevitably get nerfed like Rahzar.

Demutation though would allow a lot more possibilities, he could become a loosely aligned but valuable human ally to the Turtles (especially with him knowing some of Shredder's habits) or he could join with the Purple Dragons or Bishop (if they have him.) If he went with Bishop, I could see him turning on Tigerclaw and Rahzar, something that could be fun since I know he does not like those two.

Other then that, I can't help but be against double mutation because after Rahzar, it would feel like it's turning into a cheap gimmick to generate extra toy figures, which wouldn't make the quality of the show feel any better.

yeah, you are probably right about him turning out like rhazar and getting less screen time, however I do not think that he would be much of a threat as I said before. the turtles and their other enemies have gotten better. Tiger claw is really good and I believe rhazar is better than human Chris bradford, but most people do not think so because he does not get enought screen time. So either way He would be too weak, that is why I believe the second mutation is the best chance if we want to see a good Xever again

[Splinter the boss]

Nah, I don't want Xever to get double mutated. I'd rather he get demutated and then turn on Shredder.

Then what? He would be no match for The Shredder in his human form.

[darthwahl56]

Nah, I don't want Xever to get double mutated. I'd rather he get demutated and then turn on Shredder.

I agree will all you said. I like calling him Xever also.

Then what? He would be no match for The Shredder in his human form.

Not really the point. Just because you cannot best someone, doesn't mean you should let them control you.

[BubblyShell22]

Then what? He would be no match for The Shredder in his human form.

What do you mean? Xever is an excellent fighter, and I think he could take it to Shredder if he wanted to.

[VaughnMichael]

I could see him being turned into Armaggon.

[BubblyShell22]

Well, they did say Armaggon is coming, so it could be possible that Xever will get double mutated unless they make him a separate character.

[Groverman62]

No I like Xever as an original character. I think that the show's crew stated in a interview that they wont double mutate him so I am gratful for that.

[BubblyShell22]

They did? That's great! And I agree that Xever should be his own character.

[VaughnMichael]

Personally I want him to get demutated.
I'd love for the TMNT to meet Armaggon in the future.
That's one Archie comic story that really needs to get animated.

[Metalwolf]

No I like Xever as an original character. I think that the show's crew stated in a interview that they wont double mutate him so I am gratful for that.That's great! I like Xever as an original character too, so this is awesome news. :D

Edit: ^^^ I agree. I think he's one of the few guys who I hope get demutated, so he escapes the approaching poo-storm that I know is coming for the rest of the bad guys.

[Splinter the boss]

Not really the point. Just because you cannot best someone, doesn't mean you should let them control you.

Xever turning human wouldn't change anything. Shredder would still control him. Xever lost against 2 turtles when he was human, Shredder can take on all 4 of them, therefore he cannot match the shredder.

[BubblyShell22]

Not if Xever defects from Shredder and goes rogue. He could ally himself with the Purple Dragons or just go off on his own, and then Shredder couldn't tell him what to do.

[Splinter the boss]

What do you mean? Xever is an excellent fighter, and I think he could take it to Shredder if he wanted to.

Have you seen Shredder fight? He is the leader of the foot clan, he is in the same league as Splinter. And I'm certain you don't mean that Xever could beat Splinter. It's simple. It's just a fight he can not win, although he has a chance if he gets double mutated.

[Cryomancer]

I liked him and Bradford more as human characters, demutate them both if you ask me. Especially since they brought in Bebop and Rocksteady anyway.

[Splinter the boss]

I could see him being turned into Armaggon.

Yeah That would be great, but I
I wish he could get a little taller. Fishface is too short.

[Splinter the boss]

Well, they did say Armaggon is coming, so it could be possible that Xever will get double mutated unless they make him a separate character.

When did they say that? Because I am really hoping for the second mutation.
And I don't think they would make Armaggon a separate xharacter. Why would we have two fish-like mutants?

[BubblyShell22]

Have you seen Shredder fight? He is the leader of the foot clan, he is in the same league as Splinter. And I'm certain you don't mean that Xever could beat Splinter. It's simple. It's just a fight he can not win, although he has a chance if he gets double mutated.

Yes, but Xever is a good fighter too as we have seen. I doubt he'd be able to actually beat Shredder, but I was just saying that he could still fight him and fight well even if he doesn't come out on top.

[Splinter the boss]

Yes, but Xever is a good fighter too as we have seen. I doubt he'd be able to actually beat Shredder, but I was just saying that he could still fight him and fight well even if he doesn't come out on top.

My mistake. I misunderstood you, I thought you said he could beat shredder.

I agree that he would put a fight though.

[Ninturtle]

No I like Xever as an original character. I think that the show's crew stated in a interview that they wont double mutate him so I am gratful for that.

They never said that they just said he won't double mutate into Tokka.

[Splinter the boss]

That gives some hope to those who want to see a new and improved Xever.

[GoldMutant]

I'm honestly not interested in seeing Xever double mutate. I mean, it feels a little predictable ever since Bradford went from Dogpound to Rahzar. Even then, the Turtles are going to get stronger just like in the context of the show, which makes Baxter, Bradford, and Xever extremely weak. Steranko, Zeck, and Tiger Claw are the only henchmutants to give them a run for their money outside Shredder himself.

Like everyone is saying, I honestly want him to go back to a human life. Xever is a very intriguing character and I think he needs more exploring, same for the other villains too. Otherwise, they're all too meh in motivations. I say he is the first mutant villain going back to human and turning into an anti-hero, doing things for himself.

[Splinter the boss]

I'm honestly not interested in seeing Xever double mutate. I mean, it feels a little predictable ever since Bradford went from Dogpound to Rahzar. Even then, the Turtles are going to get stronger just like in the context of the show, which makes Baxter, Bradford, and Xever extremely weak. Steranko, Zeck, and Tiger Claw are the only henchmutants to give them a run for their money outside Shredder himself.

Like everyone is saying, I honestly want him to go back to a human life. Xever is a very intriguing character and I think he needs more exploring, same for the other villains too. Otherwise, they're all too meh in motivations. I say he is the first mutant villain going back to human and turning into an anti-hero, doing things for himself.

It is cool

[GoldMutant]

Exactly mate. :)

I know a lot of people want Armaggon to debut for Xever's second mutation, but I'd personally be interested in another animal, a scorpion is what I want if we don't see another known character.

I at least want to see some kind of gang war down the line (Steranko and the Russians, Hun and the Purple Dragons, and Xever finally bringing up a gang like mentioned). I'd be interested in seeing Xever rise as a criminal warlord if that can be done. Now I'm just getting off topic though, either a scorpion or an animal from the South for Xever would be fitting if it's mot Armaggon.

[Splinter the boss]

Exactly mate. :)

I know a lot of people want Armaggon to debut for Xever's second mutation, but I'd personally be interested in another animal, a scorpion is what I want if we don't see another known character.

I at least want to see some kind of gang war down the line (Steranko and the Russians, Hun and the Purple Dragons, and Xever finally bringing up a gang like mentioned). I'd be interested in seeing Xever rise as a criminal warlord if that can be done. Now I'm just getting off topic though, either a scorpion or an animal from the South for Xever would be fitting if it's mot Armaggon.

But I thought you said you weren't siding with Xever getting double mutated. Or am I mistaken ?

[GoldMutant]

But I thought you said you weren't siding with Xever getting double mutated. Or am I mistaken ?

Oh, I'm against him double mutating yes. I don't think mutating characters into established foes always works or judging them based on powers. There's more to it with characterization.

However, if he does double mutate, I'm hoping for a scorpion if Armaggon isn't used.

I want him back to normal for the most part, but I am curious on what he'll be if double mutated.

[BubblyShell22]

My mistake. I misunderstood you, I thought you said he could beat shredder.

I agree that he would put a fight though.

Hey, that's cool. It happens.

[TurFlytle]

Oh, I'm against him double mutating yes. I don't think mutating characters into established foes always works or judging them based on powers. There's more to it with characterization.

However, if he does double mutate, I'm hoping for a scorpion if Armaggon isn't used.

I want him back to normal for the most part, but I am curious on what he'll be if double mutated.

Wait, how will he mutate into a scorpion? He's a fish. Will he touch a scorpion or something?

[Splinter the boss]

Wait, how will he mutate into a scorpion? He's a fish. Will he touch a scorpion or something?

Yeah, I was wondering the same thing.

[GoldMutant]

I don't know how he'd mutate into a scorpion, but I'd honestly love a mutant of that animal is all.

[syk_skillz]

I'd want him to turn into Armaggon

[Gunpowder]

*raises hand* I mean, I'm cool with him staying as Fishface, but wouldn't mind seeing him go the route of his colleague either. And on that note, why not turn him into Tokka? Bradford turned into a dog first and then a wolf, which is a lineup that makes sense; Xever changing into one sea creature (Fishface) and then another sea creature (Tokka) would also make sense. His partner's already Rahzar, and the opportunity's there, so why not make it happen? Too predictable, maybe? I dunno.

But come on. Shredder having all 4 of his classic henchmen (Bebop, Rocksteady, Tokka, Rahzar)? Who doesn't want that?

Nah, I don't want Xever to get double mutated. I'd rather he get demutated and then turn on Shredder.

I'd actually be cool with that.

[Splinter the boss]

*raises hand* I mean, I'm cool with him staying as Fishface, but wouldn't mind seeing him go the route of his colleague either. And on that note, why not turn him into Tokka? Bradford turned into a dog first and then a wolf, which is a lineup that makes sense; Xever changing into one sea creature (Fishface) and then another sea creature (Tokka) would also make sense. His partner's already Rahzar, and the opportunity's there, so why not make it happen? Too predictable, maybe? I dunno.

But come on. Shredder having all 4 of his classic henchmen (Bebop, Rocksteady, Tokka, Rahzar)? Who doesn't want that?

That's exactly what I'm talking about. You totally get it.

[Ninturtle]

*raises hand* I mean, I'm cool with him staying as Fishface, but wouldn't mind seeing him go the route of his colleague either. And on that note, why not turn him into Tokka? Bradford turned into a dog first and then a wolf, which is a lineup that makes sense; Xever changing into one sea creature (Fishface) and then another sea creature (Tokka) would also make sense. His partner's already Rahzar, and the opportunity's there, so why not make it happen? Too predictable, maybe? I dunno.

But come on. Shredder having all 4 of his classic henchmen (Bebop, Rocksteady, Tokka, Rahzar)? Who doesn't want that?



I'd actually be cool with that.
They hinted at Tokka during last years SDCC but confirmed Tokka wasn't Fish Face double mutated.

[Amaranthus]

I think Tokka will be either Hun or Don Vizioso.

[Ashwolf]

I think Tokka will be either Hun or Don Vizioso.

I hope it wont be hun, hun is so much better as a human gang leader than mutant

[BubblyShell22]

Yeah, I don't want Hun to be Tokka either. He rocks as a human.

[xenopokemon]

Beating the dead horse here but I too would like to see Xever double-mutate into Armaggon.

Xever has become increasingly useless as the episodes progress. They mentioned his South American gang but we have yet to see anything there. The last time he used his venomous bite was in Season 1 if I remember correctly. He is also lowest in the pecking order. Baxter is used for science, Rahzar is third-in-command, Tiger Claw is second, and Bebop and Rocksteady are sort-of like special operations, what with being tasked to track down Karai.

Xever is also getting beaten so easily nowadays. I think Casey even single-handedly beat his tail. A KID with firecrackers and hockey pucks. That's a straight up "Puck You" to Xever and his fans.

The way I see it, the writes have 4 options.

1: Turn him into Armaggon.

2: Turn him into something continuing on with the venomous bite thing.

3: Demutate him and he splits from the Foot.

4: He remains Xever the Sushi.

However, should he remain Xever, at least let him use the venom bite or even leave and join the Mutanimals! I know, far fetched since Mondo and him would butt heads if they join but at least we'd have more development.

[Splinter the boss]

Beating the dead horse here but I too would like to see Xever double-mutate into Armaggon.

Xever has become increasingly useless as the episodes progress. They mentioned his South American gang but we have yet to see anything there. The last time he used his venomous bite was in Season 1 if I remember correctly. He is also lowest in the pecking order. Baxter is used for science, Rahzar is third-in-command, Tiger Claw is second, and Bebop and Rocksteady are sort-of like special operations, what with being tasked to track down Karai.

Xever is also getting beaten so easily nowadays. I think Casey even single-handedly beat his tail. A KID with firecrackers and hockey pucks. That's a straight up "Puck You" to Xever and his fans.

The way I see it, the writes have 4 options.

1: Turn him into Armaggon.

2: Turn him into something continuing on with the venomous bite thing.

3: Demutate him and he splits from the Foot.

4: He remains Xever the Sushi.

However, should he remain Xever, at least let him use the venom bite or even leave and join the Mutanimals! I know, far fetched since Mondo and him would butt heads if they join but at least we'd have more development.

Thank you very much. This was the point I was trying To make. Xever is a good fighter, however if he gets demutated he won't be much anything. I understand There is so much character development they could make, but doing it while he is stronger in his third form wouldn't be a problem.

[xenopokemon]

Well, since Armaggon is now a shark mutant wearing a shark mech suit, I have little faith in Xever remaining on the Foot. But I hope Armaggon is either evil or joins the Mutanimals.

[marcelangelo]

hey, perhaps, if xever hears of this new player in the mix called armaggon who happens to be a walking fish too he breaks his unhappy position in the foot , escapes the organisation and ventures out to find the one called armaggon himself...
that could be a really kooool character developing adventure for him...I see it like taking a few episodes for him to meet up or (maybe even better) only find remains of his existence in the end and never even getting to see him with his own eyes...he would encounter various dangers along the way and grow strong and self dependant through this journey...
just an idea...

[Ninturtle]

Well, since Armaggon is now a shark mutant wearing a shark mech suit, I have little faith in Xever remaining on the Foot. But I hope Armaggon is either evil or joins the Mutanimals.

Why? Armaggon is apart of the turtles in space arc so he might not even join the foot.

[Splinter the boss]

Did Armaggon make his debut yet on Nick ? Because I do not recall that.

[GoldMutant]

Did Armaggon make his debut yet on Nick ? Because I do not recall that.

Armaggon got confirmed at the San Diego Comic Con, where he'll be voiced by Ron Perlman. Check out that thread for more info. :)

So no, he hasn't officially debuted on the show yet, either one of the final season 3 episodes or season 4 is my assumption of a debut.

[xenopokemon]

Why? Armaggon is apart of the turtles in space arc so he might not even join the foot.

I didn't say that Armaggon was going to replace Xever on the foot. I THOUGHT they'd have the fish mutant (Xever) double mutate into another fish mutant (Armaggon), but evidently from the SDCC 2015 Panel, this is clearly not the case. So Xever, being probably the most useless member of Shredder's mutant henchmen, most likely will leave the Foot for his own purposes.

On the bright side, at least Armaggon has the voice of Ron Perlman, who voiced Slade in Teen Titans and played Hellboy in the series of the same name, so I'm fairly certain he'll be a/an villain/anti-hero.

[Powder]

Armaggon has never been anything but a blood-thirsty villain, why do you keep acting as if his morality has a chance at being anything more than altogether absent?

[TigerClaw]

I didn't say that Armaggon was going to replace Xever on the foot. I THOUGHT they'd have the fish mutant (Xever) double mutate into another fish mutant (Armaggon), but evidently from the SDCC 2015 Panel, this is clearly not the case. So Xever, being probably the most useless member of Shredder's mutant henchmen, most likely will leave the Foot for his own purposes.

On the bright side, at least Armaggon has the voice of Ron Perlman, who voiced Slade in Teen Titans and played Hellboy in the series of the same name, so I'm fairly certain he'll be a/an villain/anti-hero.
I hope Armaggon is from the future like in the archie comics.

[Papenbrook]

I hope Armaggon is from the future like in the archie comics.
According to his concept art, he IS from the future.

[Splinter the boss]

Armaggon got confirmed at the San Diego Comic Con, where he'll be voiced by Ron Perlman. Check out that thread for more info. :)

So no, he hasn't officially debuted on the show yet, either one of the final season 3 episodes or season 4 is my assumption of a debut.

Thank you for the information.

[TigerClaw]

According to his concept art, he IS from the future.
If that's the case, I hope in the future episode, the Turtles meet there adult selves, and future Raph has the eye patch like in the comic.

[xenopokemon]

Armaggon has never been anything but a blood-thirsty villain, why do you keep acting as if his morality has a chance at being anything more than altogether absent?

Because aside from his appearance, I don't know the character. My TMNT knowledge is not as vast as other people's here. ^_^'

[xenopokemon]

According to his concept art, he IS from the future.

Actually I think he's from an alien planet, kinda like the Newtralizer situation. It seems there's going to be a space arc in Season 4, so that's where Armaggon fits in. Hopefully there will be a mention or appearance of Newtralizer in the remainder of season 3 or sometime in the space arc of Season 4.

[GoldMutant]

I personally want a new mutant for Xever like a scorpion or even a wolf, more on the former. Otherwise, either turn him into Groundchuck or Dirtbag or simply make him a human again.

[xenopokemon]

I personally want a new mutant for Xever like a scorpion or even a wolf, more on the former. Otherwise, either turn him into Groundchuck or Dirtbag or simply make him a human again.

Unless he were to fall into a vat of mutagen that had that specific DNA in it, him turning into any of those other mutants is more of a stretch then Donnie getting April.

[GoldMutant]

Unless he were to fall into a vat of mutagen that had that specific DNA in it, him turning into any of those other mutants is more of a stretch then Donnie getting April.

(Burn!)

In all honesty, though I'd like a different mutant form compared to previous incarnations, just make Xever human again. He was originally a threat in season 1 and then comes Tiger Claw and the new incarnations of Rahzar, Bebop, and Rocksteady which completely destroy his power. Heck, The Invasion has him merely thrown by Leo and Donnie, who's usually the weakest fighter, fights him in CJ vs the Underworld.

I'm honestly thinking Xever could be similar in character to the 2003 version of Hun, where he can build up a powerful force as a major criminal overlord. Sadly, that wouldn't happen even though there's tons of potential because of Meet Mondo Gecko.

[Splinter the boss]

I think the "meet mondo gecko" episode was a waste. What was the point ? Was it to show that the mutagen the guys spilled caused more mutants than we thought ? If so, there was no need, because we know of the squirrelanoids and Sir Malachi. And Xever hosting a mutant race show was a ridiculous idea, let alone forming a criminal organization with them.

[GoldMutant]

I think the "meet mondo gecko" episode was a waste. What was the point ? Was it to show that the mutagen the guys spilled caused more mutants than we thought ? If so, there was no need, because we know of the squirrelanoids and Sir Malachi. And Xever hosting a mutant race show was a ridiculous idea, let alone forming a criminal organization with them.

I think to bring in the obvious named character into the show because he's a fan favorite. Believe me, I'm not a fan of the episode, it's harmless fun but doesn't contribute to much.

As for Xever here, I think it had better potential as a tournament or more of an ambush at the end, but forming a mutant organization is not what I meant. I mean bring up his so called "gang" we heard about it in Casey Jones vs the Underworld.

[Splinter the boss]

Oh, I see. It would be nice to see Xever leading the south american gang, but we won't see it happen.

It's either he double mutates, leaves the foot clan and allies himself with the turtles, or return to his regular self.