Anyone else not okay with the turtles able to pull their heads into their shells ?

[Splinter the boss]

I hate when the turtles do that. It is just annoying and disturbing. So I made this thread to see if anyone else felt that way.

[pennydreadful]

If it didn't bother me in the 1990 movie, it certainly isn't going to bother me in the Nick show. :tlol: Yeah, it's kinda silly but the whole concept of mutated ninja turtles is to begin with - you've gotta roll with it.

[Ninturtle]

It doesn't bother me because real turtles do that too

[ToTheNines]

It's hilarious and certainly not exclusive to this iteration.

[Powder]

Hell no, it doesn't bother me. Why would it? & why now, of all times, rather than 25 years ago? Why is it annoying or disturbing? Real turtles do it, & so too have the TMNT, forever.

[CyberCubed]

I feel like I'm missing something here, don't real Turtles do this? Haven't the Turtles always done this?

[Cure]

Yeah, I'm with everyone else. Doesn't bother me.

[IndigoErth]

Not so much that it is done, that's fine, but how it's executed with this animation/models that kinda bugs me.

Similarly and even more-so if they pull any limbs in. Just wtf. It's not just pulling their head and limbs in close to their body...it's, hey, my shoulders/chest cavity just entirely swallowed my head and my human-proportioned limbs just sucked into my abdomen.

http://i.imgur.com/ieI0meA.gif

Have them do that and get an x-ray, seriously... Someone needs to fan art that or something. lol

[plastroncafe]

#NotAllturtles

[MisfitKraang]

Why would something Turtles actually do bother me?!?!:-?

[snake]

Nah. I think it's funny and like others pointed out, turtles actually do it.

[Metalwolf]

Not so much that it is done, that's fine, but how it's executed with this animation/models that kinda bugs me.

Similarly and even more-so if they pull any limbs in. Just wtf. It's not just pulling their head and limbs in close to their body...it's, hey, my shoulders/chest cavity just entirely swallowed my head and my human-proportioned limbs just sucked into my abdomen.

http://i.imgur.com/ieI0meA.gif

Have them do that and get an x-ray, seriously... Someone needs to fan art that or something. lolIs it wrong for me to have found this funny? :lol:

But yeah, it looks a tad freaky with these models. Their head's pulled in, it leaves just a bare patch of smooth skin where the neck and head should be. Whole arms and legs? Another round flat patch of skin, as if the arm or leg never existed. :P

[Kendamu]

I think it's funny! Also, it looks hilarious the way it's all cartoony. In a cartoon. On Nickelodeon.

[Ravenshell]

I think it's funny! Also, it looks hilarious the way it's all cartoony. In a cartoon. On Nickelodeon.

Gotta give kudo to this post. *l*

While I agree that sometimes it just looks odd when they pull various limbs or their head into their shells, sometimes it's better to go for the comedic value rather than holding to actual limits of physicality.

I do like it when they use some of their more animalistic traits to their benefit... like Splinter using his tail to smack them on occasion. Husband and I are watching 2k3 together in the evenings (and mocking them), and he recently cried out, "You have a SHELL! F'king act like it! 'Duhr, what's this thing on my back?'" (I think they were having arrows shot at them at this point... something a carapace would easily block.)

[Splinter the boss]

Alright, I see quite a few people are ok with it. That's good to know. But for me, not in a billion years will I like it.

[oldmanwinters]

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[Splinter the boss]

Wow, they even make ninja turtles toys like that. I didn't know that. Thank you for the information oldmanwinters.

[ShelleyQuick]

Naahh, doesn't bother me at all. As a matter of fact I actually love when they do things like that. It's adorable and most turtles actually do that anyway. I really love it when they rely on their turtle instincts like when they're swimming, retreating and I've seen the Nick turtles flutter.

[Splinter the boss]

Do the the 2003 turtles do that ?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Thinking about it, I don't remember the following iterations ever doing the shell-tuck:

4Kids (2003) Cartoon
IDW Comics
Mirage/Image Comics

Unless I'm wrong here, which is entirely possible, it seems that the Mirage canon never did this, but the Fred Wolf cartoon started it. The shell-tuck makes perfect sense (they are Turtles after all) and so it caught on with all other major non-Mirage based TMNT iterations.

And yes, the argument can be made that IDW shouldn't be labeled as Mirage-based; considering though that the tone of the comic is much more serious than any of the cartoons have been, I think the label is acceptable for at least this example.

[Candy Kappa]

I hate when the turtles do that. It is just annoying and disturbing. So I made this thread to see if anyone else felt that way.

Not really, as the Turtles are sliders. And regular Sliders like most freshwater turtles and tortoises they can tuck in their head.

But on the other hand, with their bodies being humanoid. They have muscles normal turtles don't have, and Sea Turtles can't tuck in their heads due to too much muscle tissue being in the way, it would be more plausible that the Ninja Turtles can't tuck in their heads.

[Splinter the boss]

Thinking about it, I don't remember the following iterations ever doing the shell-tuck:

4Kids (2003) Cartoon
IDW Comics
Mirage/Image Comics

Unless I'm wrong here, which is entirely possible, it seems that the Mirage canon never did this, but the Fred Wolf cartoon started it. The shell-tuck makes perfect sense (they are Turtles after all) and so it caught on with all other major non-Mirage based TMNT iterations.

And yes, the argument can be made that IDW shouldn't be labeled as Mirage-based; considering though that the tone of the comic is much more serious than any of the cartoons have been, I think the label is acceptable for at least this example.

I see. That is very intersting.

Not really, as the Turtles are sliders. And regular Sliders like most freshwater turtles and tortoises they can tuck in their head.

But on the other hand, with their bodies being humanoid. They have muscles normal turtles don't have, and Sea Turtles can't tuck in their heads due to too much muscle tissue being in the way, it would be more plausible that the Ninja Turtles can't tuck in their heads.

That would have been a relief, but too bad nick went with it. Speaking for myself here.

[IndigoErth]

Is it wrong for me to have found this funny? :lol:
Nah, it was intended. :P



I dunno, 2012 just triggers the logic flag with me too much the way they execute it. The limbs more than the head though. It's the same sort of thing such as what I have long thought that while, were I working on a cartoon, I could MAKE a character do the classic thing of pulling an object out of nowhere from behind their back...but it would bug me a bit. I'd be more likely to have them pick it up somewhere.

I have this internal tug of war between creative and logical because while the creative part is equally strong the logic part adamantly wants it to make sense; and to that part of my mind the TMNT being humanoid should probably no longer be able to do these things. Gah! :tlol:

[jenna]

I admit that the physics of it doesn't quite make sense, but I actually love that they disappear into their shells on occasion. It's really cute and, well, a nod to their species.

[SophieDem]

That's what turtles can do, right? :D
Why would it bother me?

[Gunpowder]

It's one of the few things they have in common with actual turtles... :lol: So nah, it doesn't bother me. It actually makes me laugh every time they do it.

[Splinter the boss]

I know that real turtles do it. But come on, they have been mutated, have become HUMANOID turtles. They shouldn't have been able to, and I agree with you jenna, the physics do NOT make sense.

[Powder]

Why are you trying to put some sort of logic towards a wacky show aimed at children based out of imaginary science, exactly?

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[Desslok]

No it has never bothered me. It's not something they overuse and when they do use it it's usually in a fun way.

Oh and there is at least one instance of this happening in the IDW series. Michelangelo does it in his micro to avoid security lasers. The only reason I remember that detail is because I recently had to come up with an appropriate sound effect for it, lol. :P

[Splinter the boss]

Why are you trying to put some sort of logic towards a wacky show aimed at children based out of imaginary science, exactly?

Just because the show is aimed at children does not mean that people of all ages do not watch it. There has to be some logic to it to some degree for those who are not children.

And just so you know, I am not criticizing the show, I like it actually. I am just giving my opinion.

[Powder]

Duh, I know that, we're all adults here (mostly). The point is, their demographic is a vast group of people who don't need or want this stuff explained to them, thus, they do things that don't make sense. That's the fun of a cartoon, you don't have to follow anyone's rules but the FCC. To expect real-world physics, laws, etc, is just plain silly. It's one thing to want a bit more realism from an adult-oriented comic, but even then, it seems pointless to me when your cast is a bunch of crime fighting animals that walk upright & wear clothes.

Besides, of allllllllll the wacky stuff the show does, this is what bothers you? Not the tons of high impact action that would kill most living beings, the anatomy of certain characters, how things can survive in the sewers, that there are men made of garbage or tanks full of guts, cats made of ice cream, that pizza & cars come to life & try to eat people, how one of the most densely populated cities in the USA is shown to have empty streets full of monsters? You're instead bothered that turtles can tuck their heads into their shells?

[Splinter the boss]

Besides, of allllllllll the wacky stuff the show does, this is what bothers you? Not the tons of high impact action that would kill most living beings, the anatomy of certain characters, how things can survive in the sewers, that there are men made of garbage or tanks full of guts, cats made of ice cream, that pizza & cars come to life & try to eat people, how one of the most densely populated cities in the USA is shown to have empty streets full of monsters? You're instead bothered that turtles can tuck their heads into their shells?

Yes, I am. We all have to remember the turtles got spilled with mutagen which is a substance that turns living things into strong beings.

Look at Timothy. That guy was one weakling, but when turned into mutagen man, a force to be reckoned with. So,
it makes sense that the turtles have incredible durability and can survive in the sewers.

[Powder]

So, given the ooze would not only give them new attributes but enhance their natural abilities, how does it not make perfect sense to you that these agile turtle ninjas could retract their heads during combat? That very trait is part of their durability.

You seem to miss my point, though. You can't say that any number of insane, impossible, zany things are perfectly OK & one wholly rational thing is not, you simply can't have it both ways. One must either critique all aspects of the series through a lens of realism & responsibility, or say "Screw it, this is a cartoon, let's get weird & allow things to unfold as they will." & I personally find the latter makes things far more enjoyable, TMNT or otherwise. It baffles me that people try to understand how certain universes work, like Adventure Time, for example. It's kooky as hell, just let it be kooky. :trazz:

If you plain just don't like it for reasons beyond logic or understanding, well, that's your business, but you can't use the excuse that it's not true to form.

[Splinter the boss]

You seem to miss my point, though. You can't say that any number of insane, impossible, zany things are perfectly OK & one wholly rational thing is not, you simply can't have it both ways. One must either critique all aspects of the series through a lens of realism & responsibility, or say "Screw it, this is a cartoon, let's get weird & allow things to unfold as they will." & I personally find the latter makes things far more enjoyable, TMNT or otherwise. It baffles me that people try to understand how certain universes work, like Adventure Time, for example. It's kooky as hell, just let it be kooky. :trazz:

If you plain just don't like it for reasons beyond logic or understanding, well, that's your business, but you can't use the excuse that it's not true to form.

I haven't missed your point. You are saying that natural turtles do it and the ooze enhances these natural characteristics, and that it is a kids show and one cannot explain how fictional universes like the tmnt universe work entirely.

It is your opinion and I cannot change your mind. Everyone just has their opinion.

[Powder]

You finding their behavior "annoying & disturbing" is an opinion, one that I haven't read a sound explanation for. What I've stated, is largely factual.

[Splinter the boss]

The fact that the physics do not make sense, and the fact that only their bandanas can be seen when it is done are of enough proof for me to find it disturbing. Especially when Donnie does it.

[Wolfie65]

I would actually like to see them do it even more, It would be a turtle's No. 1 defense mechanism, and I think the Nick toon does perhaps a better job than anyone has done before of paying homage to the fact that they are, after all, Turtles.

[BubblyShell22]

I'm totally not bothered by it. Yes, they're mutants, but I feel that they do retain some of their base turtle instincts, thus tucking into their shells is a natural thing for them to do if the situation calls for it. I love it and want to see more of it in the future.

[Splinter the boss]

Although nobody agrees with me, I think it is nice to see there are people out there who like it and want to see more of it.

[Candy Kappa]

So, given the ooze would not only give them new attributes but enhance their natural abilities, how does it not make perfect sense to you that these agile turtle ninjas could retract their heads during combat? That very trait is part of their durability..

This. Normal turtles have very fast reflexes and great control over their neck.

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It only makes sense that a mutated and enhanced turtle would to.

[Wonton]

It kind of irked me, too, at first (given how the turtles are built as opposed to real turtles) but like the others said, the innate nature of the medium (cartoon) kind of counterbalances any "odd" factor it may have had on me otherwise. Also, it'd be rather strange of me to complain about it in a franchise where turtles have teeth and don't seem to need to bask. Ever. XD

[Powder]

This. Normal turtles have very fast reflexes and great control over their neck.

*video of a turtle snapping*

It only makes sense that a mutated and enhanced turtle would to.

That's adorable. I was gonna say, now that I've seen that, I'd like to see our boys use a similar tactic in close-quarters combat, then I remembered that we already have! Tournament Fighters, for SNES, Donatello sticks his head out & chomps the opponent. :tlol:

For real though, that could be cool to see. I'd love the turtles to channel more of their animal-like qualities in the way that Splinter does, if possible.

[Splinter the boss]

It kind of irked me, too, at first (given how the turtles are built as opposed to real turtles) but like the others said, the innate nature of the medium (cartoon) kind of counterbalances any "odd" factor it may have had on me otherwise. Also, it'd be rather strange of me to complain about it in a franchise where turtles have teeth and don't seem to need to bask. Ever. XD

I am glad you're ok with it now, that is good for you. But me, whenever I see they're going to tuck, I always look away from the TV.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

No it has never bothered me. It's not something they overuse and when they do use it it's usually in a fun way.

Oh and there is at least one instance of this happening in the IDW series. Michelangelo does it in his micro to avoid security lasers. The only reason I remember that detail is because I recently had to come up with an appropriate sound effect for it, lol. :P

Awesome! I thought there was an instance, but I couldn't remember it and knew it hadn't been used in any big action sequences (Hob, Slash, Shredder, Krang, et al).

Thanks!