Worst Version of Bebop and Rocksteady

[Ninturtle]

What's your least favorite version of Bebop and Rocksteady?For me it has to be the 1987 versions. They are just incompetent idiot that while funny aren't good characters in my opinion. The Nick and IDW versions are much better.

[CyberCubed]

Its probably going to be the upcoming 2016 movie versions.

The original cartoon ones are classics and have very funny moments, but I do like Nick and IDW versions too. The Archie versions also had them become more in tune with their animal side.

[Autbot_Benz]

Fred Wolf are the worst just 2 incompetent idiots

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Pending potential Michael Bay abominations, I'd say the Nick versions.

Yeah, the OT Rock and Bop are morons, but for once, I gotta stick up for nostalgia and simply remember how much I love those idiots.

And nothing beats the IDW versions.

So for all their toughness and awesome Russian accents, the Nick versions are definitely my least favorite. Besides, I'm not a Michael Jackson fan. :tlol:

[MikeandRaph87]

There really has not been a bad version yet. I too am skeptical of what Bay could do so it could be the answer, but its not released yet. While the 1987 cartoon and the related toys are the most iconic and arguably comic relief more than anything as time progressed to season 3-7 I get an enjoyment out off the character even if not my favorite. I always wanted to see these character taken and put blood on their hands. I even suggested that to Peter Laid in person. It did happen, but it was under IDW's direction. They are like unstoppable juggernaut versions of the 1987 characters and do have blood on their hands. That being said that is my favorite. Archie's Adventures I did not care for the animal side taken over, but that was done to differentiate from the concurrent cartoon of the time and they only happened a few times anyway. I do like the Jamaican high-tech thief and Russian general angles to give them the much needed separate personalities and enjoy them this way, but prefer the IDW.

[TurtleTitan97]

Least favorite for me would be the OT version.

[Donnie]

If you put any other answer besides IDW, you must not be a Donatello fan.

[Ninturtle]

If you put any other answer besides IDW, you must not be a Donatello fan.

This is so stupid , just because they killed Donatello doesn't mean they're great characters.

[PangolinFeets]

There is no bad version. They are consistently entertaining as hell.

[CyberCubed]

The NES-SNES Bebop/Rocksteady are always fun boss fights too.

[Andrew NDB]

There is no good version. They are consistently toxic as hell.

This. Agreed.

[PangolinFeets]

This. Agreed.

Nah. I am Bebop. Can't hate.

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Seriously, I don't like TMNT as much without them. They are just so much damn fun. Maybe that's why I'm not a huge fan of the 4Kids version. I will never not love the crap out of these goons.

[Andrew NDB]

Nah. I am Bebop. Can't hate.

http://i.imgur.com/8LJ2ovb.jpg

Seriously, I don't like TMNT as much without them. They are just so much damn fun. Maybe that's why I'm not a huge fan of the 4Kids version. I will never not love the crap out of these goons.

If you were that Bebop, I might feel differently. As it stands... not so much.

[Powder]

She is, yo.

[Andrew NDB]

She is, yo.

I know, but I'm saying if she was the Bebop...

[neatoman]

Bebop and Rocksteady were created to fill out a toyline, I don't really think they're necessary. Not that you can't use them, it's just that there really isn't much point to them.

Even though I liked the IDW version of them I still recognise they're just there for fanservice. In the Nick cartoon they're just a pair of henchmen alongside a bunch of other henchmen, and they have been reimagined so much they might as well be new characters. In the Archie comics I think Murphy just got sick of writing them, which might be the reason they were shoved aside so early on. And then there' the Fred Wolf version of them... **** the Fred Wolf version of them, talk about annoying...

So yeah, I'd say the Fred Wolf version of them is probably the worst but then again, what I consider to be best version of them seem kind of pointless to me...

[Ceres]

Nick Version. I don't have to add much to that anymore :D

[GoldMutant]

I'm going to be honest, I never really liked Bebop and Rocksteady. I've liked Tokka and Rahzar a lot more compared to them strangely.

The thing that sticks out with them is being the classic favorite mutants and always entertaining all generations. No matter which incarnation you like or dislike, they always have found a way to entertain us all. Ranging from being the dumb comic relief in the OT or interesting characters in the IDW and Nick show, you'd be hard pressed not to like them. Just my two cents on that.

However if I had to pick one, I'm going with the Fred Wolf OT. Despite being fun, the "mama!" cry got annoying and stale, they were easy to take down (you'd think they'd be threats as henchmutants), and just never really appealed to me. The voices were cool though I'll admit. :)

[ssjup81]

I'm going to be honest, I never really liked Bebop and Rocksteady. I've liked Tokka and Rahzar a lot more compared to them strangely.

The thing that sticks out with them is being the classic favorite mutants and always entertaining all generations. No matter which incarnation you like or dislike, they always have found a way to entertain us all. Ranging from being the dumb comic relief in the OT or interesting characters in the IDW and Nick show, you'd be hard pressed not to like them. Just my two cents on that.

However if I had to pick one, I'm going with the Fred Wolf OT. Despite being fun, the "mama!" cry got annoying and stale, they were easy to take down (you'd think they'd be threats as henchmutants), and just never really appealed to me. The voices were cool though I'll admit. :)They were in the beginning. They were super strong and stuff. They also weren't as dumb in the beginning.

[plastroncafe]

All of the above?
They never really did much for me, regardless of iteration. I've low patience for incompetent characters.

[GoldMutant]

They were in the beginning. They were super strong and stuff. They also weren't as dumb in the beginning.

I do agree and don't forget the Red Sky seasons brought a bit more intelligence and intimidation of the characters.

Something tells me as the show got sillier, Bebop and Rocksteady lost intelligence and became the cliched muscle bound soldiers without brains. The beginning and the end made them set up as dangerous threats, but my issue is that they really became lackluster throughout. That's what I dislike the most of the OT for them.

At the very least, the other versions show they are major threats. The OT only does that a few times, a personal gripe mind you.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Archie (at the time they were written out)

[CyberCubed]

All of the above?
They never really did much for me, regardless of iteration. I've low patience for incompetent characters.

Is that because you don't like seeing unintelligent characters on TV glorified for being stupid comic relief? Bebop and Rocksteady might be autistic for all we know, especially in the original cartoon.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Funny, everyone talk about how incompetent and useless, yet the only version that was actually incompetent is the OT. All other versions are pretty competent.

For me, the OT is the worst version, the others are all really dangerous so far. B&R have appeared in so many incarnations that, despite not being Mirage characters, they've become a cemented part of TMNT lore that almost everyone (excepting Mirage Purists) love to see.

[shuriken]

Not a huge fan of the Nick versions. OT is alright but my faves by far are IDW. Indestructible powerhouses that are not to be messed with.

[PangolinFeets]

Is that because you don't like seeing unintelligent characters on TV glorified for being stupid comic relief? Bebop and Rocksteady might be autistic for all we know, especially in the original cartoon.

Just quickly clearing this up, Autism is a social disorder and has nothing to do with intelligence.

I never really thought of them as having a disability. They're street thugs who just want to be cool, but they're terrible at it. The IDW version captures this best, but even in the OT all they want to do is please Shredder. They're just really incompetent. Incompetence is a trait that can be possessed by anyone.

[CyberCubed]

In the original cartoon they behaved like children though. It felt like they were 10 year olds in the bodies of adults. They were probably born with some mental disability, it wasn't just that they were dumb street punks like in IDW.

[PangolinFeets]

Funny, everyone talk about how incompetent and useless, yet the only version that was actually incompetent is the OT. All other versions are pretty competent.


Like in the IDW micro when their only job is to sit and look tough at Karai's secret meeting with the Ghost Boys, but they unintentionally start a gang war Karai's plans? Or when they fail their only other 'assignment'?*cough*issue45*cough* IDW's version has yet to successfully accomplish anything they've been ordered to do.

I think maybe the Nick version is the most competent so far (honestly, I haven't seen enough of them to truly comment on it).

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Just quickly clearing this up, Autism is a social disorder and has nothing to do with intelligence.

I never really thought of them as having a disability. They're street thugs who just want to be cool, but they're terrible at it. The IDW version captures this best, but even in the OT all they want to do is please Shredder. They're just really incompetent. Incompetence is a trait that can be possessed by anyone.

Plus, was autism even labeled/diagnosed back in the '80s?

[Metalwolf]

Plus, was autism even labeled/diagnosed back in the '80s?You might be thinking 'Asperger's.' Autism was diagnosed in the 80's, but it had much tighter criteria back then, so it was often for the more rarer 'classic' cases. The Asperger's category wasn't created until the 90's and it was mainly to explain the children who still showed most of the signs of autism, but never had the speech delay or being non-verbal.

[PangolinFeets]

Plus, was autism even labeled/diagnosed back in the '80s?

Autism has had diagnostic criteria since the 40s. There's been a tight group of researchers working on treatments since the 50s. Iwata and crew are still alive and well and at it.

You might be thinking 'Asperger's.' Autism was diagnosed in the 80's, but it had much tighter criteria back then, so it was often for the more rarer 'classic' cases. The Asperger's category wasn't created until the 90's and it was mainly to explain the children who still showed most of the signs of autism, but never had the speech delay or being non-verbal.

This. The DSM V really changed the criteria for diagnosis. Autism is now a spectrum disorder and Asperger's isn't a thing anymore.

ANYWAY...

Bebop and Rocksteady are still awesome.

[jenna]

Whichever universe, Bebop and Rocksteady just seem to be parodies. They are either unbelievably strong or unbelievably arrogant or unbelievably stupid. Not once have I seen either of them written with any depth. I pretty much hate them in every incarnation. Sorry B & R fans. *ducks and runs for cover*

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Whichever universe, Bebop and Rocksteady just seem to be parodies. They are either unbelievably strong or unbelievably arrogant or unbelievably stupid. Not once have I seen either of them written with any depth. I pretty much hate them in every incarnation. Sorry B & R fans. *ducks and runs for cover*

You have made me very sad. :tcry: :tlol:

[PangolinFeets]

Whichever universe, Bebop and Rocksteady just seem to be parodies. They are either unbelievably strong or unbelievably arrogant or unbelievably stupid. Not once have I seen either of them written with any depth. I pretty much hate them in every incarnation. Sorry B & R fans. *ducks and runs for cover*

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I disagree, but to each his/her own.

I don't think there's any reason to run. Most people are on your side. lol

[jenna]

You have made me very sad. :tcry: :tlol:

Sorry to make you sad. It makes me sad to make someone with such an awesome username sad. :)

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Sorry to make you sad. It makes me sad to make someone with such an awesome username sad. :)

:tlol: Took me forever to come up with it... thanks!

[plastroncafe]

Is that because you don't like seeing unintelligent characters on TV glorified for being stupid comic relief? Bebop and Rocksteady might be autistic for all we know, especially in the original cartoon.

I consider incompetent comic relief to be a sign of weak storytelling on the part of the writer. Not only does it make the heroes unnecessary, but it totally undermines the effectiveness of the villains.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I consider incompetent comic relief to be a sign of weak storytelling on the part of the writer. Not only does it make the heroes unnecessary, but it totally undermines the effectiveness of the villains.

This IS the OT TMNT we're talking about, so... yeah. Right on the money. :tlol:

[Ninturtle]

I'm suprised Nicks version is getting so many votes. I find them way more entertaining than the brain dead OT versions. Perhaps nostalgia is why people like the OT over Nicks version.

[Splinter the boss]

I meant to vote the OT versions. For some reason I thought the question was "what's your favorite versions of Bebop and Rocksteady ?".
The reason is what some people have said in this thread. They are not dimwitted as the others were.

[GoldMutant]

I'm suprised Nicks version is getting so many votes. I find them way more entertaining than the brain dead OT versions. Perhaps nostalgia is why people like the OT over Nicks version.

I think the problem man is the radically annoying personalities and ethics of Steranko and Zeck as the duo. Probably due to the grating attitude of Zeck with his voice unsure on Rocksteady.

I personally like them, maybe giving them one more episode before mutating at least. They were handled very well though, really tragic in their mutation. Strange really.

[Ninturtle]

I think the problem man is the radically annoying personalities and ethics of Steranko and Zeck as the duo. Probably due to the grating attitude of Zeck with his voice unsure on Rocksteady.

I personally like them, maybe giving them one more episode before mutating at least. They were handled very well though, really tragic in their mutation. Strange really.

I didn't think their personalitys were annoying and Bebops voice fits the character well. The interactions between the characters are great and I really like the dynamic that they aren't that loyal to Shredder and that they fear him. I just think it's great that they found a way to make them funny with out them being stupid.

[Klunk1234]

I choose the IDW, not because they look intimitating and a thread to the TMNT. I simply chose it because I love Donnie and it was horrible what they did to him.

[Ninturtle]

I choose the IDW, not because they look intimitating and a thread to the TMNT. I simply chose it because I love Donnie and it was horrible what they did to him.

I really don't understand this logic. I love Leonardo and even when Shredder beats the crap out of him in the 03 series in Shredder Strikes Back I still like Shredder because he's a great villian. How does a villian hurting a main character make them any less cool, to me it makes no sense.

[Coola Yagami]

It was just sad at times how weak and pathetic they were at times. Like, they actually felt threatened by their old gang. Despite the fact that they were now mutant animals with supposed more strength than ordinary humans, they were still scared of their old gang.

[CyberCubed]

It was just sad at times how weak and pathetic they were at times. Like, they actually felt threatened by their old gang. Despite the fact that they were now mutant animals with supposed more strength than ordinary humans, they were still scared of their old gang.

Because their mutations didn't give them any extra strength in the original cartoon, just altered their look. Maybe Rocksteady was slightly bulkier because of his horns.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Um, yeah, they did, actually. Rocksteady especially got stronger, but even Bebop gained a bit more brute strength in the OT. Like when they encountered the turtles for the first time post-mutation and were tearing up the street, or when they went back to their old gang in The Gang's All Here, and RS proved his identity by bashing through a brick wall and Jersey Red admitted that only those two would be that dumb. So, yeah, they DID get stronger. proved it a few other times, too, IIRC.

As for feeling threatened by the old gang? Since when? They actually went back and asked them to help with a job for Shredder in the episode I mentioned above! And the gang all fell in and followed THEIR orders, so we know R&B weren't in the least intimidated by THEM- more like the other way around.

That said, they DID suffer an extreme case of villain decay as time went on, but then, so did everyone else. Shredder went from evil Mastermind to Krang's whiney gofer, and Baxter lost his damn mind. Even Rat King ended up as the "guest villain of the week" stand-in more often than not.

[ssjup81]

Um, yeah, they did, actually. Rocksteady especially got stronger, but even Bebop gained a bit more brute strength in the OT. Like when they encountered the turtles for the first time post-mutation and were tearing up the street, or when they went back to their old gang in The Gang's All Here, and RS proved his identity by bashing through a brick wall and Jersey Red admitted that only those two would be that dumb. So, yeah, they DID get stronger. proved it a few other times, too, IIRC.

As for feeling threatened by the old gang? Since when? They actually went back and asked them to help with a job for Shredder in the episode I mentioned above! And the gang all fell in and followed THEIR orders, so we know R&B weren't in the least intimidated by THEM- more like the other way around.

That said, they DID suffer an extreme case of villain decay as time went on, but then, so did everyone else. Shredder went from evil Mastermind to Krang's whiney gofer, and Baxter lost his damn mind. Even Rat King ended up as the "guest villain of the week" stand-in more often than not.I wish I could remember the ep name, but there's that ep where Bebop threw a car and the turtles themselves were noting their strength, hence their being an actual threat in the beginning. It's the ep with the debut of the Turtle Blimp, iirc. I also noticed that the two weren't childlike or intimidated by Shredder and Krang in the beginning.

That aside, I agree with all you said here.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Yup. Exactly that. Man, you thought of one even I forgot about! I think my memory is slipping.... :tgrumble:

[Bombshell]

I was never a fan of those guys, even as a kid watching the 80's cartoon. I picked the Nick version but I'm actually kind of torn. I really enjoy Nick's Rhino but Bebop makes me want to puncture my eardrums. He's a bit less annoying after his mutation but my god, they made that character almost unbearable.

Tokka and Razaar are my favorite henchmen duo.

[Coola Yagami]

I do like the new Bebop, his crazy Jackson/Prince style and sense of humor. At first people didn't seem to care about Anton cause they assumed that he'd somehow lose his antics as a mutant, and are turned off that we see Bebop still acting like Anton.... But yeah, this is a whole new character based on an old one. He's supposed to act different. I knew he was different the moment Anton was introduced as a master thief with Tron gear instead of a generic street thug. Being a mutant wasn't gonna make that go away.

[Klunk1234]

I really don't understand this logic. I love Leonardo and even when Shredder beats the crap out of him in the 03 series in Shredder Strikes Back I still like Shredder because he's a great villian. How does a villian hurting a main character make them any less cool, to me it makes no sense.

At least Leo wasn't with his shell horribly cracked and laying in a pool of his own
blood like poor Donnie. Have you seen the last page of #44? It made a lot of people to be in shocked ( me, included) and many of them cried.

[PangolinFeets]

At least Leo wasn't with his shell horribly cracked and laying in a pool of his own
blood like poor Donnie. Have you seen the last page of #44? It made a lot of people to be in shocked ( me, included) and many of them cried.

So they made you feel something. It takes a pretty powerful character to make consumers have really strong feelings about their actions. They might be pretty damn evil, but they're really excellent villains. If they were boring, it wouldn't be a great series.

In any case, I think the discussion is in regards to which version of B&R the poorest representation of the core aspects of those characters.

[Slade]

I don't like the characters at all. Think Nick is the worst.

IDW's are okay.

[Cipher]

While they're rather good callous villains in the IDW book, sh*t, nothing about that book is as transparently steeped in nostalgia as those two. Why do they loo like that?

These two are fun, and I was probably clamoring to see a serious version when Laird had them off limits, but, man, outside of their iconography in the Fred Wolf era, they're really hard to justify in modern versions. They're as '80s as you can get, and certainly not irreplaceable if you're looking for callous muscle villains, even mutant ones. At least you wouldn't have to explain a new characters' name.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Like in the IDW micro when their only job is to sit and look tough at Karai's secret meeting with the Ghost Boys, but they unintentionally start a gang war Karai's plans? Or when they fail their only other 'assignment'?*cough*issue45*cough* IDW's version has yet to successfully accomplish anything they've been ordered to do.

I think maybe the Nick version is the most competent so far (honestly, I haven't seen enough of them to truly comment on it).

Are you kidding me?! They wiped out an entire platoon of foot soldiers, survived multiple stab wounds and bullets wounds, with weapons still sticking out of their bodies, turned the tide at cityfall- where it took a freakin' grenade to even slow them down, and it took two teams of mutants, including the turtles and Splinter- to drive them away. And as someone else already said, what happened to Donnie. Okay, maybe they as slow in the brains department as the OT versions were, but if you give the simple orders of 'go and smash' they are nigh-unstoppable engines of death.

So yeah, they are more competent than the OT versions. And I'm really tired of people only thinking 'fred wolf' when these two are brought up, there are multiple versions that have nothing to do with the originals buffoonery.

[sdp]

Beebop and Rocksteady fit perfectly in the OT. How are they considered the worst version?

Archie's versions are pretty much irrelevant, I only got to see Beebop in one episode of Nick but he was just another generic mutant there. How exactly is the OT version now considered the worst version?

[Ceres]

Beebop and Rocksteady fit perfectly in the OT. How are they considered the worst version?

Archie's versions are pretty much irrelevant, I only got to see Beebop in one episode of Nick but he was just another generic mutant there. How exactly is the OT version now considered the worst version?

Because People want to see a smart Bebop and Rocksteady, Bumbling Buffoons is soooo 80`s ~ Ya know?

*jokes aside*

Nick are the worst. Hands down :D

[PangolinFeets]

Are you kidding me?! They wiped out an entire platoon of foot soldiers, survived multiple stab wounds and bullets wounds, with weapons still sticking out of their bodies, turned the tide at cityfall- where it took a freakin' grenade to even slow them down, and it took two teams of mutants, including the turtles and Splinter- to drive them away. And as someone else already said, what happened to Donnie. Okay, maybe they as slow in the brains department as the OT versions were, but if you give the simple orders of 'go and smash' they are nigh-unstoppable engines of death.

So yeah, they are more competent than the OT versions. And I'm really tired of people only thinking 'fred wolf' when these two are brought up, there are multiple versions that have nothing to do with the originals buffoonery.
I'm not saying they're not massive, hulking beasts of destruction. I'm saying they're eternally bad at it.
They wiped out a platoon of foot soldiers which they weren't supposed to. They stumbled into a meeting of the Mutanimals and turtles, where they tried to take them out, but failed and decided not to tell Karai about it.
And even at the end of City Fall, Leo and Splinter get away. Everything they've done, they've messed up. However, I love them for it. I think being bad at it should be their signature trait.

And that was what I pitched to Dustin Weaver and Ben Bates when I said they should do Bebop and Rocksteady as an ongoing series.

[Ninturtle]

Because People want to see a smart Bebop and Rocksteady, Bumbling Buffoons is soooo 80`s ~ Ya know?

*jokes aside*

Nick are the worst. Hands down :D

No it's because the only trait they have in the OT is that they're stupid henchman. They aren't as funny as the are in Nick anc IDW. With Nick the humor comes from their interactions with each other which isn't just them saying something stupid to each other. What traits do the OT versions have that don't stem from stupidity ( there's not many ).

[Autbot_Benz]

No it's because the only trait they have in the OT is that they're stupid henchman. They aren't as funny as the are in Nick anc IDW. With Nick the humor comes from their interactions with each other which isn't just them saying something stupid to each other. What traits do the OT versions have that don't stem from stupidity ( there's not many ).

agreed OT are the worst they are not that funny and are incompetent and stupid.

[shuriken]

In the OT the first few episodes they were pretty unstoppable. By the 3rd or fourth season thy were being beaten by socks and being thrown around by the turtles. So their strength and weakness was all over the place. I still like their characterizations, but they only really work in that universe.

The Nick versions are too different for me to really consider them as Bebop and Rocksteady.

IDW has made them idiots, with funny interactions and dialogue, but has made them immensely powerful beasts of destruction. Their success rate is still like 2-5 but they are always threats, except when owned by Raph that one time before mutation.

[Ceres]

No it's because the only trait they have in the OT is that they're stupid henchman. They aren't as funny as the are in Nick anc IDW. With Nick the humor comes from their interactions with each other which isn't just them saying something stupid to each other. What traits do the OT versions have that don't stem from stupidity ( there's not many ).

oh yeah, and what makes the Nick versions so funny? Not much i as i can remember. OT Rocksteady and Bebop are still in many minds who knew the old show, the new versions? In a few years no one will talk or even remember about them anymore but the old ones will definitely stay in memory.

Not only because of their characters(which is totally alright for me seeing as their animals are not that smart in real life too which probably got transfered to their transformed state), sure they are stupid henchmen and probably only work with each other, but these two are truly authentic while the new versions are sterile and not really something which i can enjoy that much.

And they working good too because they are like best buddies while the new versions are more of a boss and lackey relationship which is not as funny as these two stupid, yet awkwardly "semi-brothers"interacting with each other. But that is only personal preference.

[Ninturtle]

Beebop and Rocksteady fit perfectly in the OT. How are they considered the worst version?

Archie's versions are pretty much irrelevant, I only got to see Beebop in one episode of Nick but he was just another generic mutant there. How exactly is the OT version now considered the worst version?

oh yeah, and what makes the Nick versions so funny? Not much i as i can remember. OT Rocksteady and Bebop are still in many minds who knew the old show, the new versions? In a few years no one will talk or even remember about them anymore but the old ones will definitely stay in memory.

Not only because of their characters(which is totally alright for me seeing as their animals are not that smart in real life too which probably got transfered to their transformed state), sure they are stupid henchmen and probably only work with each other, but these two are truly authentic while the new versions are sterile and not really something which i can enjoy that much.

And they working good too because they are like best buddies while the new versions are more of a boss and lackey relationship which is not as funny as these two stupid, yet awkwardly "semi-brothers"interacting with each other. But that is only personal preference.

The only reason people remember The OT B&R is because turtlemania was huge and they were some of the main villians in that show. A ton of people remember nothing about them except there names and appearance. Why do you think so many people complained when Bebop and Rocksteady were shown as humans instead of animals in the second bay turtles movie. The new Bebop and Rocksteady are funny because they have funny interactions with each other and the turtles because they're written well.. The new dynamic Between Bebop and Rocksteady is interesting they aren't best friends but stick together because it benefits them and they get along well most times. I like that they aren't blindly loyal to Shredder and it's clear they only work with him because they fear him.

[Autbot_Benz]

The only reason people remember The OT B&R is because turtlemania was huge and they were some of the main villians in that show. A ton of people remember nothing about them except there names and appearance. Why do you think so many people complained when Bebop and Rocksteady were shown as humans instead of animals in the second bay turtles movie. The new Bebop and Rocksteady are funny because they have funny interactions with each other and the turtles because they're written well.. The new dynamic Between Bebop and Rocksteady is interesting they aren't best friends but stick together because it benefits them and they get along well most times. I like that they aren't blindly loyal to Shredder and it's clear they only work with him because they fear him.

Not to mention in Nick you actually get a few episodes to get to know them as humans before they get mutated.

[turtlefanforever]

Original series Bebop and Rocksteady are THE only Bebop and Rocksteady

[Ninturtle]

Original series Bebop and Rocksteady are THE only Bebop and Rocksteady

This statement is false as there are 3 other versions of the characters.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

They're stereotypes of people with "more muscles than brain", whatever TMNT universe they appear in.

[Chaotix12345]

Voted OT. Looking back on them, there really wasn't much to them other than being mutant punk henchman buddies. Their personalities were pretty interchangeable and nothing was really lost by having just one of them in a scene compared to both. They were still likeable, silly villains, but as a whole, the other incarnations have a lot more to offer.

Though, I can't say that I wasn't a little tempted to vote Archie instead. I REALLY wasn't a fan of how they talked (Placing "duh" between every word made them seem TOO dumb, even based on the OT versions from later seasons. Also made it EXTREMELY hard to read the dialogue in their voices naturally.) However, them basically rejecting their old lives for ones of peace because the memories of their source animals resurfaced was really interesting and brought some unexpected depth to them, basically making up for my previous pet peeve. (I think their little dialogue issue was fixed for the IDW Anniversary story, though, so kudos if that was the case. Been a while since I've read it.)

[Klunk1234]

In any case, I think the discussion is in regards to which version of B&R the poorest representation of the core aspects of those characters.[/QUOTE]

In that case, it has to be Nick's Bebop. His voice is irritating. Rocksteady is fine. After issue #44 could not see Bebop and Rocksteady the same way anymore.