Could Nick do Same As It Never Was?

[Mew]

I posted this in the Nick City at War thread. A few people responded, and the consensus wa generally good. :) I think Nick could do Same As It Never Was quite well. I don't know how they would deal with the Turtles' injuries (Mikey's arm, ect.), but if 4kidz could do it, Nick definitely can. Discuss below.

[neatoman]

They could probably do a remake of that yes. I guess they would have to rework Shredder's defeat but otherwise, yes.

[GoldMutant]

I think it's possible depending on the direction. It most certainly can work with more time travel scenarios. Personally, I think that the Same As It Never Was adaptation could be spread across multiple episodes, probably five. :) I do have an idea on how it could go down to raise the stakes:

Episode 1- The Turtles land in New York for the first time in a while, but Renet is unable to help them this time around. She's forced to leave for a while to regain her strength, leaving the Turtles confused on what's going on. They look over the city, seeing the people as slaves and it in ruins. Someone then spots them, leaving them confused on what's happening leading them to run away.

They then find Slash and at first all seems well. However, Slash ends up attacking Raphael for no reason at all, leading to the other three to prepare to fight. Before they can, Mondo Gecko, Leatherhead, and Rockwell arrive and they easily overwhelm the group. Following a brutal beating, they are forced to retreat, completely shocked and angry over what happened.

During this, they encounter this universe's version of Pete, who's much more timid and has multiple scars. Shielding himself, the Turtles reveal they aren't from this timeline. Surprised, Pete smiles for the first time since what happens and fills them in. He then recaps in a massive flashback, where he says he knows this because of him watching from above. (Flashback is also shown in near entirety, not just simple showing)

In this universe, Shredder has completed the mind-control serum and has blasted the entire city with it. His first ORDER is convincing everyone that all mutants are evil and orders for all to look out. Destruction to the city then occurs and nobody is aware that Shredder is the cause of it, where he places the blame on the Turtles. Exposing the world to them, he shows them as the cause for all this and presses them, Splinter, April, and Casey as public enemies. Anyone who also dares to rebel will be executed. With the news of them spreading across New York, they force April, Casey, and Splinter to escape the city for their safety. Willing to protect New York, they head out and contact their allies to be safe (Donnie also leaves blueprints for a new Metalhead for Rockwell to make), where they go into an alleyway where they are caught.

The Foot Clan then arrives, with hundreds of soldiers and bots popping up in the area. At first, the Turtles fight bravely and are able to hold their own for a while. However, Baxter Stockman, Tiger Claw, Fishface, Rahzar, Bebop, and Rocksteady all arrive. Stockman, Rahzar, and Fishface are easily defeated but the other three take more time to beat, with the Turtles becoming worn out from the fight. Shredder then arrives and the Turtles are easily defeated, knocked to the brink of death. Their fate is left unknown for now during this arc and Pete wishes to intervene but is caught and forced to fly away.

The Mutanimals are furious over these laws and both Slash and Leatherhead are upset over this. At this time, the Mutanimals bring in a homeless Mondo Gecko to train him and tend to him. Leatherhead and Slash train the teenager in fighting while Rockwell upgrades the skateboard and completing a new Metalhead in case the worse comes up. With all the plans set in motion, they head out to fight, but despite their preparations, they are defeated and captured again.

Brought to Baxter for experimenting, the five are set up to be mind-controlled, where the Mutanimals are set to turn into mercenaries, carrying out the executions and hunts for rebels. In a fit of desperation, Rockwell (he's transformed third) fires a blast at the Foot and frees Pete so there's still hope.

The remainder of the episode is planning how to fight back with the Mutanimals locating them, ending the episode with a fight about TO BEGIN.



Episode 2- Continuing from last time, Pete and the Turtles are battling the Mutanimals. This time around, they are able to best Rockwell and Leatherhead, but the other two retreat, hoping to take them down later. They then decide to go back up to see if anything has changed.

Meanwhile, we cut to the city again with Rahzar and Tiger Claw hunting for rebels. Rahzar is able to find Murakami and is about to silt him until a magical blast goes off. Sir Malachi appears out of nowhere, showing New York still is being fought for. Rockets are also fired, with a new improved Metalhead appearing. Malachi previously found Metalhead before in the sewers while on the run and reactivates him. Tiger Claw is enraged at this and attempts to attack both, but a grenade is thrown, causing the mutants to retreat. Arriving following the fireworks, the five meet up with the two and they reveal they've been led into fighting due to the absence of the Mutanimals. Suddenly, a completely masked person drops down and they begin to attack the Turtles. (commercial break)

This masked figure fights harshly and is able to knock down the Turtles due to his fighting style of weapons. Donnie is knocked down and the figure attempts to choke him to death until Metalhead forces him to get off as it is his master. He blames them for causing all this happening and Raph knows who's voice it is. It's revealed that it's Casey leading a rebellion against the Foot and proving his own innocence too. He's angry that they forced him behind and has a bit of distrust in a sudden return. Curious, Leo asks what happened to Splinter and April if they are still alive too, leading to another major flashback.

Casey reveals that when he, April, and Splinter are attempting to escape underground through the Shellraiser, a few unknown figures attacked them. April and Casey are bested and Splinter is able to hold them down for a while. One of the figures fires an energy blast attempting to kill Splinter, but April takes the hit instead. Another blast is attempted but April uses her Kraang abilities to cause the blast to go somewhere else, hitting the upper part of the lair. Deciding it's best for them to go without her, she uses her powers to keep the beings at bay in an attempt to beat them. Splinter forces himself to go, understanding what she has planned, but Casey doesn't want to leave. Following a goodbye kiss, he's dragged out by Splinter as they both watch in sadness the collapse of the lair and the death of their friend. Following their escape, Casey tells Splinter to run as he's a much more wanted man than he is. When asked what he has planned, Casey retorts he's fighting back, leaving the sensei behind.

The fate of Splinter is also left in the unknowing right now. With a new trio of allies to combat the Foot, they form an alliance to end the destruction. Pete decides to join up with the group to even their odds. Deciding to split up, it is decided the Turtles will work on a device to save the citizens while Casey's group goes out to continue the fight for freedom. We see a little more action for Casey's group as they are ambushed by a few Foot-Bots before cutting back to the Turtles as they attempt to hide some place to work on the invention to bring back the citizens' minds.

Hearing Donnie's voice of saying they're doomed, Raph hits him, but says it wasn't him. The two begin to argue over the uncalled for hit when Michelangelo breaks it up. Though peace is made, their voices are still going off, but it isn't them. When Leo yells at them to get their acts together, he then looks up as he hears a similar voice to his. Wondering where it came from, he looks up and is horrified at what he sees above in the form of four shadowy figures.

Completely shocked, they see another set of Turtles revealed to be the four that were supposedly killed. At first, Mikey attempts to greet them, but Dark Raph (or Mikey) attacks the youngest brother. It is revealed they have fallen under the serum and are seated as the best of the Foot Clan. What leads into is a massive fight with Turtle on Turtle actions, but the dark counterparts easily best them in this period due to their advanced training. The episode ends with the Dark Turtles about to kill the heroes, with Dark Leonardo saying to his younger counterpart “Do you love being a Turtle now?”


Now, to discuss the appearances of the Dark Turtles, they'd be based on different incarnations. However, they also address each other by full name (like the Fred Wolf Turtles) and are wearing their red masks. (Mirage Comics)

Leonardo- Dark Leo outfit from Cityfall with a scar across Leo's face. (IDW Comics)

Raphael- Nightwatcher-like armor with Shredder gauntlets. (TMNT and Image/2003)

Donatello- Covered in cybernetics. (Image Comics)

Michelangelo- Turtle Titan outfit with an eye patch and torn mask. (2003 series)

Far from done with it as I have three other episodes, but just an idea personally to really push the boundaries. :)

[sdp]

It depends as to what you mean by SAINW. If you mean a post apocalyptic episode then I'm sure we'll get one of those eventually, even the friendly OT had one, it's a staple among cartoons to see what a future where the bad guys won. If you mean a 5 or so episode story arc with the turtles travelling across various alternate universes then I'm not so sure but I'd love to see it happen.

[victory_angel]

I posted this in the Nick City at War thread. A few people responded, and the consensus wa generally good. :) I think Nick could do Same As It Never Was quite well. I don't know how they would deal with the Turtles' injuries (Mikey's arm, ect.), but if 4kidz could do it, Nick definitely can. Discuss below.

I actually started a thread for this same question in 2013

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=44179

But my views of this particular episode updated.

I think the episode might have more of an impact that we don't see what happened to Donatello...at least not at first. We have him being lost in time and space at one time, and is able to be summoned back. But when he returns to the present he's obviously shaken by what he has experienced, but doesn't want to talk to anyone about it. In the following days he becomes more obsessive with fixing things around the lair upgrading the security system, and when not attending meals, training, or on patrol/missions he is locked in his lab working on stuff. And even then he's hurrying through meals while he's grumbling that he doesn't have time for this and of course in training he's is having trouble focusing because of lack of sleep and whatever he's obsessed with in the lab. And on patrol or missions he's also more of a hindrance because he is too distracted.

Eventually the others have had enough and want to get to the bottom of what is going on. Which causes Donnie to have one major blow up...
something in a similar vein to this convo I suggested to a project I'm working on with two fellow dromers.

Donnie: You're all missing the real problem here.

Raph: What?

(Everyone glances towards Donnie in concern)

Donnie: Stopping the Shredder isn't what I'm worried about...the hard part is beating him. We didn't have enough force to beat him before, what makes this time any different?

Casey: We'll beat 'em! We’ve stopped him before, and we’ll go toe to toe with him until he’s beaten for good.

Donnie: We’ve hindered his plans, but we’ve never actually beaten him. Let's assume we do face him ...we'd still have to take on the entirety of the Foot Clan before we are able to fight him directly and even then there is still the Kraang and anyone after them, can't you see it'll never work?!

(Raph roughly grabs Donnie by the bandoleer)

Raph: (Getting heated) Ya know, I'm getting sick of listening to your loser talk! What's your problem anyway?! Huh?! Tell me! And while you’re at it you can explain what you were doing when we needed you! We were counting on you… and you…you let us down! You just stood there and did nothing!!

(Donnie says nothing but gets a troubled look on his face.)

Leo: Raph…

Raph: Seriously what’s your deal?!

(Donnie smacks away Raph's hand, Raph gasps in surprise but this does nothing to lessen his irritation.)

Casey: (Angry but concerned) Listen you! The reason we didn’t complete the mission is because you didn’t help!

(Leo, Mikey, and April watch the confrontation with tense silence)

Casey: (irritated) Instead of just standing there, why don't you say something?!

Donnie: (Confused) These are the kind of questions I've been asking myself as well. (Angry) But now that you brought up the issue I think I'm beginning to understand what's wrong...

Raph: (Angry) WHAT?!

Donnie: (Angry) I just don't want to fight anymore! I'm not a coward, I'm tired of this!!!

Raph: But...we have to...

Donnie: (Angry and starts shaking) That's what I mean! Don’t we have a choice in any of this! I'm sick of this life and I'm tired of watching my brothers and my friends get hurt! Why is it were the ones who have to fight?! Why is it always us?!

Leo: (Sternly) Calm down, Don! You know as well as I do that we were raised and trained as Ninja to fight evil in all its forms...to fight as a team! It's our sworn duty to follow Splinter's teachings and maintain the peace of this world by opposing the forces that threaten it!

(Donnie starts to get more upset)

Leo: (Sternly) As long as we live we can't deny this responsibility! It's our destiny!

Donnie: Our…destiny....? (Frustrated outburt) NO! What are you talking about?! It's just a word! I'm talking about our lives!

Leo: (Sternly) You are a Ninja, Donnie…

Donnie: Then maybe I don’t want to be a Ninja……maybe….maybe I was never meant to be a Ninja?

(Leo puts a comforting hand his brothers shoulder)

Leo: Just relax, D...You're stressed and your letting your anxiety control you. Calm down.

Donnie: I'm always calm...but no more!

(Leo puts both hands on Donnie’s shoulders)

Leo: Donnie...Now is not the time to talk about this! Let’s just drop this subject for now…we can talk about it another time…okay?

(Donnie snaps)

Donnie: Shut up!

(Donnie punches Leo sending him stumbling backwards and crashing into a table. Leo looks up at his brother in shock, Donnie looks stunned by his actions. There is a moment of stunned silence by everyone.)

Raph: Leo...(Angry-To Donnie) Are you crazy?!

(Raph angrily grabs Donnie only to get socked in the face.)

Raph: (enraged) That's it!

(Raph lands a punch to Donnie’s face only for Donnie to punch his brother two more times sending him to the floor. Donnie rears back to land a third strike when Mikey glomps on to him.)

Mikey: Stop it! D, that’s enough! We’re brothers! This isn't how brothers should be treating each other!

(Donnie looks horrified for a moment before he rushes out of the room in tears. Casey tries to stop him but Donnie pushes him aside.)

April: Don...

Leo: Let him go...

(Leo gets up his eyes looking in direction Donatello had fled)

April: Why?

Leo: (Concerned) I’ve never seen him act like this…but he's too upset to be reasoned with right now...let’s just…let’s just give him time to sort himself out.

(Everyone nods and goes about their business though somewhat subdued. Leo’s eyes still watch focus on in the direction Donnie had left)

Leo: Don...

(Donnie's runs through the sewers in tears.)

Some time after this outburst Donnie tells everyone about what happened when he was sent into time and space and that's where we see what he experienced.

[Cure]

I hope not. Super overrated and manipulative. "your favorite characters are all dying for no reason! Feel emotions!"

But then again, if Nick were to do it, it would probably be a lot more fun.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

I would also like an Archie-like future, with flooded coastal towns.

[Technogeek29]

I hope not. Super overrated and manipulative. "your favorite characters are all dying for no reason! Feel emotions!"

But then again, if Nick were to do it, it would probably be a lot more fun.

That does't sound hypocritical in the slightest:trolleye:

[Cure]

I didn't really state any contradictory statements or morals, but sure, whatevs. You got me.

[Technogeek29]

I didn't really state any contradictory statements or morals, but sure, whatevs. You got me.

Apologies when I read that I thought you mean't "SAINW overrated and manipulative with characters dying" but if Nick were to do it it would be ok.

[Cure]

That...is what I meant. That is not hypocritical. It is an opinion.

[Technogeek29]

That...is what I meant. That is not hypocritical. It is an opinion.

Doing the same thing in a different version wouldn't make it better, but whatever I don't care enough to go into this tired old argument.

[Cure]

Well, I guess you see your point. If Nick did it and put their own spin it, it really wouldn't be "Same as it Never Was" anymore. You're right.

I just mean that if Nick did their own version of it, I could see myself liking it.

[TLP]

Yeah it could totally work. 2K12 has already had some pretty grim moments. :tcool:

Although I imagine they would use the Triceritons in the place of the Shredder.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Maybe we'll get it now, when the TMNT travel in time!