Does this cartoon actually feel like the Fred Wolf cartoon?

[neatoman]

So I keep hearing that people think this cartoon is like the Fred Wolf cartoon, to which I have to disagree.

It is true that it uses things from the Fred Wolf cartoon (or rather the toyline the Fred Wolf cartoon marketed) but they're usually reimagined in signifigant way and more importantly they typically weren't all that common. Let's face it, if this cartoon was only meant to invoke the Fred Wolf era then they wouldn't have brought back Mutagen Man, Muck Man and Mondo Gecko, they would have brought back Pinky McFingers, Big Louie, Mad Dog McMutt and Don Turtelli, they were far more prominent than the vast majority of toy mutants and I'm pretty sure André Meadows is the only person in the world who wants Don Turtelli back. Saying this show feels like the Fred Wolf cartoon because they bring back a bunch of old toys would be like saying it feels like the 4Kids cartoon if they brought back the Garbageman for an episode.

Not that this show isn't trying trying emulate the Fred Wolf cartoon to some extent but it has a different status quo and a less episodic format, a different sense of humor and dark moments the Fred Wolf cartoon did everything in it's power to prevent. I mean think about it, just last episode we saw a machine that pumped brain control worms into a teenage girl's head while her crazy dad who did it to her puts the blame on someone else, would the Fred Wolf cartoon really dare to show something like that?

[TurFlytle]

No, it's hardly like the Fred Wolf cartoon. Most of it had a lot more jokes and fourth wall breakers than the Nick series. In this series, Shredder can withstand any fight with the turtles and Splinter as of now. In FW (after season 2), Shredder was a complete joke. Heck, there was hardly any storyline in the FW series, it's like the only storylines are just returning characters, Technodrome being transported and Lord Dregg. One thing that 2012 has that FW doesn't is brutal, serious fights and moments. So, there's my point. Some people just probably hate how they use 80s characters, but they used Bebop & Rocksteady, Mutagen Man, Mondo Gecko, etc. in IDW.

[CyberCubed]

The show is completely different than the original cartoon in every single way. Anyone who thinks its like the old show doesn't know what they're talking about.

[turtlefanforever]

It's has the feel of a really bad cartoon, mainly because it is one. In my opinion and the opinion of many others.

[drgon78]

A little bit in the sense that it's jokes are not used to make fun of the Fred Wolf series like the 2003 series did and that it is actually funny.

[Candy Kappa]

Short answer. No, it does not feel like FW.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

At times, maybe a little, but on the whole? Not really. It plays with a few of the elements, sure, but it does its own thing with them.

[Powder]

It has moments that bring it to mind, but it doesn't feel on a whole like the old show.

It's also a significantly better series overall, so there's that. :trazz:

[GoldMutant]

It's has the feel of a really bad cartoon, mainly because it is one. In my opinion and the opinion of many others.

Opinions are like a virus, everyone has one. Do you have your proof, no? Then your so called "opinion" remains a biased one towards fans who like the show.

Anyways, it has elements of the FW which are reinterpreted for newer generations, but I think it'll take more than silliness to make it like the FW.

[TurtleTitan97]

Not at all.

[CyberCubed]

Why would people even think this? The Turtles personalities and every character are completely different than the original show. The whole format of the show is different, there is no Shredder and Krang in the Technodrome coming up with weekly schemes to take over the world. The mutants in this show are not like the original cartoon mutants.

[Ninturtle]

Not at all , this show actually has a good story unlike fred wolf with it's mostly filler. They also change a lot of characters from the FW and improve on the like Bebop and Rocksteady.

[Autbot_Benz]

Heck No this show surpass the embarrassment that is Fred Wolf. The villains are treated like actual threats the turtles are more serious and have depth to them. Actual Storylines. So no this show is not like FW

[CyberCubed]

Heck No this show surpass the embarrassment that is Fred Wolf. The villains are treated like actual threats the turtles are more serious and have depth to them. Actual Storylines. So no this show is not like FW

Calling the original show an "embarrassment" shows you lack the distinction of what a comedic adventure show is compared to an action cartoon. The original cartoon wasn't supposed to be an action oriented series and it success at what it does.

[Ninturtle]

Calling the original show an "embarrassment" shows you lack the distinction of what a comedic adventure show is compared to an action cartoon. The original cartoon wasn't supposed to be an action oriented series and it success at what it does.

It still isn't that good compared to Nicks version.

[Aaronardo]

It's has the feel of a really bad cartoon, mainly because it is one. In my opinion and the opinion of many others.
Heck No this show surpass the embarrassment that is Fred Wolf.

Welp, to count, so far we've had two people come in with very opposite opinions stating that their opinion is fact. This thread's gonna end very well.

Anyway, I feel like it tries to replicate the FW a little, seeing as how it definitely has many lighthearted moments (heck, even episodes), ala the FW series. Plus, FW often gave the series some very strange ideas (Mr. Ogg, Rebel Without A Fin, The Time They Ripped Off The Gremlins (seriously. Why.)), and this series comes up with very strange ideas as well.

But, as others have stated, FW barely contains continuity. Even when it did, its writing would get... questionable. But in a sense, the Nick Toon is basically what we would get if the FW series kept it's tone from Season 1 the entire show.

[TurFlytle]

But in a sense, the Nick Toon is basically what we would get if the FW series kept it's tone from Season 1 the entire show.

I'd agree with that, but with a bit of the original 2003 series in between.

[ssjup81]

Nope, not really. Yeah they're reimagining some FW characters but that's about it. The style of the show is really different as well.Heck No this show surpass the embarrassment that is Fred Wolf. The villains are treated like actual threats the turtles are more serious and have depth to them. Actual Storylines. So no this show is not like FWStill feel it's an unfair comparison (story line). The FW series is a product of its time. That style was the norm for a syndicated program during a time where you missed an episode, you didn't know how long it'd be before you can catch the episode again. If they did storylines, I'm sure most kids would've been confused about what would've been going on. The show was designed in a way where kids could start watching at any point and hopefully get pulled in. Most shows aren't really set up that way anymore because it's easy to catch up with shows or backtrack to earlier episodes.Calling the original show an "embarrassment" shows you lack the distinction of what a comedic adventure show is compared to an action cartoon. The original cartoon wasn't supposed to be an action oriented series and it success at what it does.Yeah, this. Definitely agree.

[Foombamaroom]

It doesn't really "feel" like the Fred Wolf cartoon, but there are some recurring themes that make you think back at it.

Like, Mega Shredder reminded me of the '80s cartoon for one reason: Bebop and Rocksteady's mistake. Having those two create such a big screwup like that seems something right out of the original cartoon.

But in all honesty, it's just little moments like that that feel like the '80s cartoon. The show is a unique hybrid of all things TMNT, and it's somehow able to be its own thing. It's amazing.

[Metalwolf]

Calling the original show an "embarrassment" shows you lack the distinction of what a comedic adventure show is compared to an action cartoon. The original cartoon wasn't supposed to be an action oriented series and it success at what it does.It's not an embarrassment, but the Fred Wolf is one reason why the TMNT is seen too much 'for kids.' Granted it did get TMNT out in the open, and it did create a lot of fans, however it's also a ball and chain making it hard to get a TV series TMNT created for older teens/adults too, so it's not exactly a series 100% gushed over.

It's also the main series that this show will be straight cameo-ing again (and likely another time after that) which for some of us isn't exactly interesting. And seeing some folks on here clamoring for another OT cameo really similar to a junkie begging for their next fix, is not helping either.

I think what it is, is that not everyone finds the OT nostalgia all that interesting. I'm an OT fan, and even I am getting sick of it. It's why you are seeing some people turning really sour towards it and complaining (even me) and seemingly bashing it. Now granted some might not truly like the OT, but it's not the creme de la creme that has to be included in everything, nor is it always fun when it is.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Heck No this show surpass the embarrassment that is Fred Wolf. The villains are treated like actual threats the turtles are more serious and have depth to them. Actual Storylines. So no this show is not like FW

While I would agree that the original toon hasn't aged well, I wouldn't go so far as to saying it was an embarrassment. Storylines in the earlier times weren't neccessarily known for being dark or serious. Like the Adam West tv series, it was a product of its time and a way to get the turtles out there to the public. Do I prefer the new series over it? Without a doubt! However there are some good qualities that came out of it, as hard as it is to believe for the younger fans.

As far as being like the original cartoon, I would say no. However, I did felt that the first season of this series lacked it's own identity. It was confusing to tell if it was trying to be like the Fred Wolf cartoon or like the 4Kids series without actually being like either or. And while it still has it's moments, this show has proven that it is doibg it's own thing. I'd prefer if they stopped taking a little too much material from other incarnations but even watching one of the worst episodes of the FW and the Nick toons and comparing them back to back, there's a huge difference between the two. Also as CC says, the turtles' personalities, especially Raphael's, is different.