Official Ep Discussion: S3 Ep22: "The Creeping Doom"

[Machias Banshee]

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So, we go from hardcore historical episode, to toilet humored free for all to another "Mikey did something stupid and the others will suffer for it".

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Photographic memory's great unless you only use it to memorize nasty pizza toppings that would send the most cynical food inspector screaming for their life.

So something will happen to Donatello, and he's going to turn into a less than intelligent shadow of his former self. Basically... a purple masked Mikey.

God help us all...

STAY TUNED!

[Vicky82]

30 mins to go and none of the Livestreams are working apart from 1 which is Nick channel from Canada and I assume they arn't showing The Creeping Doom today. :cry: So have to wait a couple of hours till it's uploaded on that site.

[GoldMutant]

30 mins to go and none of the Livestreams are working apart from 1 which is Nick channel from Canada and I assume they arn't showing The Creeping Doom today. :cry: So have to wait a couple of hours till it's uploaded on that site.

:cry: Sorry amica, I wish I could help out, just keep searching I guess. Little less than 10 minutes left.

[yellowmario27]

Mikey's being so annoying lol poor Donnie

[GoldMutant]

(Sighs) Can we please get another plot in season 3 where Michelangelo doesn't act like an idiot for sake of the plot?

[yellowmario27]

(Sighs) Can we please get another plot in season 3 where Michelangelo doesn't act like an idiot for sake of the plot?

It felt pretty forced this episode. He was being so extra

[RandomtasticFantasy]

(Sighs) Can we please get another plot in season 3 where Michelangelo doesn't act like an idiot for sake of the plot?

That's kinda there go to plot devices at times for him, just like anger and Raph needing to control it/it being some form of issue for him.

[saintsaucey]

Lol at electric swampaloo. Ive always said any movie not smart enough to come up with a better title than repeating the first one and adding part 2 must have the subtitle electric boogalo to advertise their lazieness

[kelligrafie]

30 mins to go and none of the Livestreams are working apart from 1 which is Nick channel from Canada and I assume they arn't showing The Creeping Doom today. :cry: So have to wait a couple of hours till it's uploaded on that site.

And watch all the nonces livetumblr it (seriously, that's NOT what tumblr is designed for guys).

:roll:

[Vicky82]

And watch all the nonces livetumblr it (seriously, that's NOT what tumblr is designed for guys).

:roll:

Yeah I know but luckily i've only seen a few and I reblogged a couple of them.

[Foombamaroom]

Besides Mikey being an idiot in the beginning, I actually enjoyed this episode a lot more than I thought I would. It was definitely filler, but it was good filler. Loved the idea of Creepweed and I loved the fact that while the episode was Donnie focused, it still gave the other Turtles a decent amount of screentime, especially Raph. Raph got more focus than Leo in this one, so that was great to see!

[GoldMutant]

I need to explain myself with something I posted a while back to explain why I was annoyed a moment ago with Mikey:



I don't think Mikey is dumb in the Nick show, but his characterization is one of the more off putting things in the series. Sometimes he's hilarious (The Olympics!), sometimes he's a bada** (Dimension X episodes), sometimes he's perfect for emotion (The Invasion and Leatherhead come to mind), but he has his fair share of stupidity. Due to him lacking substantial growth like Raphael in the show, Michelangelo always flips from likable to just untolerable.

I'd like Mikey to mature more, he can still be a goofball but has a lot of potential to grow. It almost went well following the Invasion, but the Croaking screwed him up.

I don't get why we have to dumb him down in the incarnations, he can be serious and funny. He's arguably the weakest character yet due to his age (and the fact he acts like Beast Boy from Teen Titans due to having Greg Cipes as the va), but it leaves a lot to be desired.

I personally think you can go beyond a simple trait for Mikey and Raph in the show, it's just never done. When it does though, it's excellent. Granted it's the end of the season, but just felt a little weak to end these four episodes from this month air with this after two strong episodes and Godzilla.

Also, called it on Creep and Snakeweed! :)

[yellowmario27]

Overall didn't like this episode, the best part was the when Donnie came and saved the day. So I guess the last 7/8 minutes were good!

[Powder]

I'm not spoiler tagging anything, if you come to this thread without expecting to see talk of the episode's content, you're a dummy.

Anyway, THAT WAS FRIGGIN' GREAT! My two favorite villains not only teamed up but combined! Woo! Idiot Donnie was hilarious, as expected, Rob did a great job with the goofing off. Surprised there wasn't a Pinky reference, but it's alllll goooood. I like that everyone was a part of this episode, nice character balance, even Splinter, April, & ICK got their moments. CREEPWEED THO! What a sick design! All around awesome episode.

[kelligrafie]

Goldmutant, I think it could possibly be because there's so many writers, how can you begin to maintain any real consistency with Mikey's development?

You'll have writers that go totally off the wall goofball with him because that's how they assume he's always been, and some that will have done their research and decided to mature him a bit.

[IndigoErth]

Rather fun episode. Seemed knocks against Mikey's intelligence was a bit predictable, and a little overplayed... but decent episode though. Donnie... :lol: Although my fave part was prob when he showed up back to normal and destroyed the enemy. :tcool: But a lil' lost on the whole "Mikey's antidote worked" bit... sooo it made him stupider for a while before it kicked in?

Raph... did you really volunteer to be hit by the Creep? And Leo... ouch, he's gonna be sore tomorrow.

The periscope thingy in the lair, was that the first time we've seen it actually used?

(For a moment I was expecting that something cheesy like April kisses him would snap him back to normal...)

[Vicky82]

IGN review up

8.2

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2015/08/23/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-the-creeping-doom-review

I heard that Raph was maskless in this episode. :D

[yellowmario27]

Did any one catch what Donnie said at the episode that causes Mikey to lunge after him?
A family member started talking loudly during the end 😕

[GoldMutant]

Goldmutant, I think it could possibly be because there's so many writers, how can you begin to maintain any real consistency with Mikey's development?

You'll have writers that go totally off the wall goofball with him because that's how they assume he's always been, and some that will have done their research and decided to mature him a bit.

Granted, I did act on instinct. Great, just as impulsive as Raph is me. :roll: I screwed up again, just didn't think carefully. Just get annoyed when Mikey screws up, but I will say he was great again by the end. :)

Anyways, two episodes of Mikey in a row? That I love, first the awesome side from last episode and some caring developments to his family this episode. If I can say this, I personally wished Donnie could have referenced any of his previous roles barring the Wizard of Oz reference. Now, just bring back the Newtrailzer and possibly Mutagen Man and I will say most of the new characters/interpretations I'm satisfied in returning.

Barring the Donnie issue, if only it were longer, that concept at the end was cool, I really would have loved that. (Though I wish Snakeweed talked this time, though probably just a clone) Fun episode overall, just wished more Dumb Donnie could have been done.

And once more, apologies for my reckless snapping.

[IndigoErth]

Did any one catch what Donnie said at the episode that causes Mikey to lunge after him?
A family member started talking loudly during the end 😕
I think Donnie stated to Mikey that now he knows how he (Mikey) feels all the time.

[Powder]

I heard that Raph was maskless in this episode. :D

You heard wrong.

[Vicky82]

You heard wrong.

Please explain this then

https://41.media.tumblr.com/f5adc2facb35d1df22cb69753db45762/tumblr_ntjo4foeX61u5rny0o1_540.jpg

:D

[Powder]

Someone took a picture of their computer screen after photoshopping an image of Raphael.

[saintsaucey]

Rather fun episode. Seemed knocks against Mikey's intelligence was a bit predictable, and a little overplayed... but decent episode though. Donnie... :lol: Although my fave part was prob when he showed up back to normal and destroyed the enemy. :tcool: But a lil' lost on the whole "Mikey's antidote worked" bit... sooo it made him stupider for a while before it kicked in?

Raph... did you really volunteer to be hit by the Creep? And Leo... ouch, he's gonna be sore tomorrow.

The periscope thingy in the lair, was that the first time we've seen it actually used?

(For a moment I was expecting that something cheesy like April kisses him would snap him back to normal...)
yes as far as i know

And me too.

[Vicky82]

Well there is this

https://41.media.tumblr.com/10d4df5cfc350e8ea99be8b95ec929e0/tumblr_ntjmp9zI901u6i34so1_540.jpg

and this

https://40.media.tumblr.com/3ec3c02c8c93166cf805a527ec7a1b85/tumblr_ntjlguCAuU1u5rny0o1_540.jpg

[PangolinFeets]

Nooo, there's totally a split-second where Donnie steals both Leo and Raph's masks and is running around like a lunatic in the background. It's when they're chasing him around after getting back after they initially kill The Creep and SnakeWeed before we get Creepweed.

This was so much FUN. Stupid Donnie cracked me up and even though the episode was kinda pitched as a Donnie episode, Mikey and Raph got a lot of highlight and Leo was def more in the background. And Creepweed was awesome and a great way to thin out some of the old baddies that have been piling up under the tag 'Not quite defeated'. Like how they turned Dogpound into Rahzar. Instead of forgetting old baddies, just make them cooler (or combined them and make them cooler. Heh.)
Also, I like that they're showing that April is still training and getting better: good enough to spar with Leo. That was cool. )

[saintsaucey]

Also that was not the grasskicker toy that mikey was riding. At least it didnt look like it in the second scene. I was looking away in the first scene.

[IndigoErth]

If he/they were maskless, it was very very quick. Didn't even catch it. (Granted I did a repeat of last weekend and hadn't slept, so maybe it's just me not catching something that was quick.)

[snake]

That was VERY fun

Always great to see Snakeweed again

[PangolinFeets]

If he/they were maskless, it was very very quick. Didn't even catch it. (Granted I did a repeat of last weekend and hadn't slept, so maybe it's just me not catching something that was quick.)

Rewatch and pay attention to the background where Donnie is running around with Leo and Raph chasing him. It's really funny! XD

[Ninjinister]

Who gives an eff about Raph without his mask. Where's the pictures of Creepweed?

[aliena]

Was Mikey really stupid this time? Sure, in the beginning he was being a pain, but wasn't he sort of annoying Donnie just to be a pain in the rear brother? He did know how to make the antidote, could he possibly have a career in chemicals? It was odd, but he wasn't really stupid, he was more just trying to get attention because he was bored and things got out of his control.

This time though he seemed genuinely upset over his actions. I was hoping he would learn from this and not do it anymore from here on, but what the heck am I thinking? This is the Nick turtles where no one grows from experience.

Why didn't Donnie use the retromutagen on Timothy? He was in the background this episode and what about ICK? He needs to be restored to normal no matter how much I love him in his current state. That's no life for him.

Raph rocks so much! I love that he was exhausted from fighting. It was also the first time we got to see him without his mask, ever so briefly.

[Majcvd49]

Did April get captured again? Lol

[IndigoErth]

Rewatch and pay attention to the background where Donnie is running around with Leo and Raph chasing him. It's really funny! XD
Caught it again on the other channel, not too clear and blink and you'd miss it, but saw it this time. lol

Who gives an eff about Raph without his mask.
Prob Raph's fans who were disappointed last time they teased it and didn't show. :trazz: Which...was the first Creep episode. o.O


Also, :tlol: at how Leo sounded when he fell asleep.

[matteso586]

Two episodes involving mutant combinations destroying New York in a row. That could potentially get the EPF's attention.

Does anyone see the point of cloning Snakeweed. Speaking of which, I wonder how the real Snakeweed reacted to the chaos Creepweed is causing.

[Powder]

Nooo, there's totally a split-second where Donnie steals both Leo and Raph's masks and is running around like a lunatic in the background. It's when they're chasing him around after getting back after they initially kill The Creep and SnakeWeed before we get Creepweed.

Well damn, I missed that, & I was literally sitting on the edge of my seat for most of the episode, paying full attention. My bad, yo. I just wouldn't put it past Tumblr fangirls to fake some ish like they have in the past, so I figured it wasn't legit. Neat.

[Spirael]

Fun episode with a few good moments. Absent-minded (but not completely brainless) Donnie was adorable and it was nice to see Mikey showing his combat prowess in the fight against Creepweed. However as an episode it's probably not going to make my list of favourites.

Did anyone catch what happened to the brain worm? Donnie was studying it at the beginning and IIRC it was left in the bowl. But then where did it go? Did they lose it? :O

[Vicky82]

I finally watched it, it was good but not a good as last week but it was still funny.

I love that Mikey has a photographic memory, it explains how he can make the antidote for Donnie and make the Retro Mutagen faster in Battle for New York.

I wouldn't have said that Mikey was acting stupid, silly yes but not stupid.

Leo gettting strangled by The Creep and seeing his eyes roll back was scary. :o

I liked Raph fighting The Creep that was cool, seeing Creep get impailed on a pipe was pretty gutsy for Nick to show :o.

I can understand that some people didn't notice Donnie running with Raphs and Leo's mask's it was very quick. :lol:

Loved Mikey's little vehicle he was using to fight the CreepWeed. :lol:

I'm guessing that wasn't actually Snakeweed but some sort of clone of him.

[VaughnMichael]

Not really one of my favorites.
I enjoyed the design work but Mikey really got annoying in this one.
Then he just threw a bunch of crap together and it didn't work and then it did?
And then Donatello is back to save the day because none of the other turtles are smart enough to stop these creatures without him.
I'm sorry but that's a bit of an :roll: for me.
On the plus side though there are some pretty funny moment in this episode which we haven't had in some time as the tone has gotten a bit darker.
It was also cool that Donatello had all of those things in his lab from their adventures.
It would have been cool to see nods to thing that we may not get to see in this series but the turtles did in off screen adventures.

[Autbot_Benz]

this episode was meh it felt like a fred wolf kind of story . I did like the Creep snakeweed mutation though.

Funny the vehicle mikey was riding he called it the grasskicker when the grasskicker is the lawnmower from the playmates line.

[CyberCubed]

So that wasn't the real Snakeweed who fused together with The Creep and is now locked in a box, right?

[Ninturtle]

So that wasn't the real Snakeweed who fused together with The Creep and is now locked in a box, right?

Nope , it was a clone named the Son of Snake Weed.

[BubblyShell22]

This episode was fine for me. Didn't catch Raph being maskless, but that's pretty cool to see for the fans who wanted to see that in The Creep's debut episode. Mikey was just being an annoying little brother, but he did save the day in the end, and he did say that he does pay attention to science stuff. Still, I think it was more dumb luck on his part that saved Donnie just like the retro-mutagen was. But at least it worked. Dumb Donnie was great and Rob knocked it out of the park. When The Creep grabbed Leo and his eyes rolled back, I gasped and yelled out, "Not my boy!" My mom laughed at that. And I named it Creepweed right before Mikey did and when he named it, I yelled out, "I said it first, Mikey!" Overall, a very interesting episode, and you know the Creepweed is not done yet.

[Guitar_Raph]

It's so cool to see Mikey save ther day, for once.

[TLP]

I didn't like this episode at all. Unfortunately I have to take back what I just said in another thread about all the filler in this show being better than a majority of Ultimate Spider-Man's episodes, because I found Mikey's actions in this one as stupid as how DrakeBell!Spider-Man was in his infamous third episode. :tconfuse:

Mikey seriously needs to grow the heck up fast because that immature little screw up of his almost killed everyone in New York, including his brothers.

Also, the jokes were fine....I guess. I'm just disappointed...It's cool that people like it, that's fine with me. I just wish this wasn't right after me praising the show's writing. :(

[BabyTurtles]

It's so cool to see Mikey save ther day, for once.

Isn't that every episode when he screws up? He saves the day toward the end?
then he screws up again...then saves the day.....wash rinse and repeat? :ohwell:

[Cure]

I really liked Creepweed and Michelangelo was great in this episode.

[Groverman62]

Isn't that every episode when he screws up? He saves the day toward the end?
then he screws up again...then saves the day.....wash rinse and repeat? :ohwell:

He manages to make up for his mistakes in the end

[Allio]

loved the jason takes manhatten reference on the roof top

[Autbot_Benz]

It's so cool to see Mikey save ther day, for once.

what are you talking about he has saved the day countless times. Dimension X Mikey during the kraang invasion during the first half of season 3. Also Whenever Mikey screws up he somehow saves the day in the end which is like all the filler episodes

[CyberCubed]

This episode felt too similar to a lot of other episodes, and it coming directly after the Mega Shredder episode when they fought another giant mutant made this one redundant.

Snakeweed and The Creep have no character at all so they're just bland monster mutants. Its nice to see them but they can't carry the "A" story of an episode. They should have just been a subplot to some other main arc in the episode

[JTH]

They should have just been a subplot to some other main arc in the episode
Uhh...they were. LOL

What part of a main character's brain cells rotting wasn't the main arc of the episode?

[OrangeNinja1987]

I would give this episode a 6.5/10. It was very "meh".
The highlight was most definitely Dumb Donnie. Everything he did was hilarious and stuff I'd never thought I'd see Donnie do. What was the Pinky and the Brain reference that some people have said is in the episode and some have said it isn't?
"I like French Fries!!" should have been on that voting thing at the top. I was laughing so hard! Or maybe "Oooo...Squirrellll!"
I just wished Dumb Donnie was the sole conflict of the episode. It was funny, entertaining, and new, so naturally I wanted to see more of it. Because of the Creep/Snakeweed marriage, this Dumb Donnie scenario felt like a wasted idea that could have had so much more laughs. While it was nice to touch up on some old villains (not that I care for them, but the show needs to refresh its memory on the bad guys sometimes), think about what an episode with Dumb Donnie as the sole conflict would be like:

The problem could have arose from something besides the default "Mikey Makes a Mistake" trope


There would be full detail of Donnie's slow descent as the others rush to cure him before it's too late


Tension builds as Donnie goes from merely saying dumb things and being absent-minded to actually becoming a danger to himself, while completely forgetting who his family is


A plot twist as Donnie becomes so brain-dead that he starts to attack his family, literally "fighting without thinking"


More time for Mikey to create an actual cure, intelligently reading Donnie's notes and taking some guesses, as the others hold back the relentless Donatello


A final fight scene with Donnie, with April managing to calm him down with her powers while Mikey administers the cure


Overall, I find that idea much more interesting, with some tweaking. Fillers can and have been great.

[TheJ-manTurtleMan]

"I like French fries!!":tlol:

[oldmanwinters]

My favorite moment of the episode was when April brought up Splinter's magic "healing mantra" as a quick solution to Donny's problem, and Splinter just deadpanned with "highly doubtful."

So many little continuity references in this episode! Really nice work on the writing.

And it was nice to see the Snakeweed design again even if it wasn't quite the original.

[Klunk1234]

To be honest, at the beginning, I was not happy to see Donnie acting absent-minded and seeing Mikey again act so inmature, but then the episode was with full of action and it was funny at the end.

But I suggest this: Could Nickelodeon make Mikey like IDW Mikey? I want to see that in the show. Mikey is the heart and soul of the team, not the clown.

[Ninjinister]

Mikey's an idiot here and was an annoying prick at times in 2K3 because it's what kids like. The most common review I've heard or overheard kids give either show is "Mikey's funny".

[Donny's computer84]

Mikey appeared goofy in this episode but, redeems himself when he made the antidote for Donny.:D

[IronBoomer]

I enjoyed Rob Paulsen channeling his inner Pinky and all, but seriously, Mikey pushed me to my limit this episode. How in the hell hasn't Splinter, much less Donnie banned Mikey from the various dangerous chemicals in the lab?

Yes, Mikey has helped in the past with the Super Retromutagen; but he also has screwed up a lot of other things in the past. I kept waiting for someone to just deck Mikey; and if not for Donatello running around like a maniac (admittedly enjoyable) I'm sure Raph would have.

The best parts were the Friday the 13th references with the Creep.

[Mugen_Jin18]

I really hope playmates reconsiders making a Creep action figure now. This episode was awesome! The Creep & Snakeweed team up was freaking sweet & the grasskicker vehicle shooting out of the party wagon was also really cool. This episode instantly became one of my faves!

[Mugen_Jin18]

As soon as I saw Mikey roll out in the grasskicker, it made me think of the old school cheapskate toy! Anyone else think it looked similar?

http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac23/Telton_Searcy/Mobile%20Uploads/LooseCheapSkate_zps5ztjroct.jpg (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Telton_Searcy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/LooseCheapSkate_zps5ztjroct.jpg.html)

[drgon78]

Good episode, liked the new plant monster design, better then the two that combined to create it. Also much better interaction with April and the turtles.

[neatoman]

It was nice to see a bunch of things finally come back.

[matteso586]

It was nice to see a bunch of things finally come back.

Are you referring to the shelf where The Creep's jar used to be?

[Vicky82]

Donnie's Trophy shelf reminds me of Splinter's Trophy shelf from the 2007 movie.

[neatoman]

Are you referring to the shelf where The Creep's jar used to be?

More the Creep himself, alongside Snakeweed (or more accurately a clone of Snakeweed).

[CyberCubed]

I don't understand why they didn't actually use Snakeweed himself rather than a clone. Its not like Snakeweed has a story or personality going, they could have just combined him with The Creep and been done with him.

Instead Snakeweed is still at large but nothing changes with him so it would be the same generic fight over and over.

[Ninturtle]

I don't understand why they didn't actually use Snakeweed himself rather than a clone. Its not like Snakeweed has a story or personality going, they could have just combined him with The Creep and been done with him.

Instead Snakeweed is still at large but nothing changes with him so it would be the same generic fight over and over.

Maybe thry want a lot of mutants around for the mutants vs humans arc.

[Vicky82]

I don't understand why they didn't actually use Snakeweed himself rather than a clone. Its not like Snakeweed has a story or personality going, they could have just combined him with The Creep and been done with him.

Instead Snakeweed is still at large but nothing changes with him so it would be the same generic fight over and over.

Maybe it's because they didn't want to kill him off yet and probably use him again later.

[Toadtrooper]

The healing mantra should have worked, as both instances were neurotoxins.

But hey, don't ask me. I'm not the one phoning in one episode after another.

Season 3 is definitely going to be the worst season of the entire series. Unless they just all go downhill from here.

[Metalhead 2.0]

I don't understand why they didn't actually use Snakeweed himself rather than a clone. Its not like Snakeweed has a story or personality going, they could have just combined him with The Creep and been done with him.

Instead Snakeweed is still at large but nothing changes with him so it would be the same generic fight over and over.

Every good (super)hero franchise needs at least ONE good plant-based villian.

http://static.socialgo.com/cache/256454/image/521.jpg

I intentionally steered clear of Dr. Pamela Isley.

[CyberCubed]

The healing mantra should have worked, as both instances were neurotoxins.

But hey, don't ask me. I'm not the one phoning in one episode after another.

Season 3 is definitely going to be the worst season of the entire series. Unless they just all go downhill from here.

This is coming from a guy who got angry over the time travel paradox in the Yokai episode because you don't get how time travel works?

[Ninturtle]

The healing mantra should have worked, as both instances were neurotoxins.

But hey, don't ask me. I'm not the one phoning in one episode after another.

Season 3 is definitely going to be the worst season of the entire series. Unless they just all go downhill from here.

If that's the worst problem you have with the episode I fail to see how they phoned in the episode.

[aliena]

I would give this episode a 6.5/10. It was very "meh".
The highlight was most definitely Dumb Donnie. Everything he did was hilarious and stuff I'd never thought I'd see Donnie do. What was the Pinky and the Brain reference that some people have said is in the episode and some have said it isn't?
"I like French Fries!!" should have been on that voting thing at the top. I was laughing so hard! Or maybe "Oooo...Squirrellll!"
I just wished Dumb Donnie was the sole conflict of the episode. It was funny, entertaining, and new, so naturally I wanted to see more of it. Because of the Creep/Snakeweed marriage, this Dumb Donnie scenario felt like a wasted idea that could have had so much more laughs. While it was nice to touch up on some old villains (not that I care for them, but the show needs to refresh its memory on the bad guys sometimes), think about what an episode with Dumb Donnie as the sole conflict would be like:

The problem could have arose from something besides the default "Mikey Makes a Mistake" trope


There would be full detail of Donnie's slow descent as the others rush to cure him before it's too late


Tension builds as Donnie goes from merely saying dumb things and being absent-minded to actually becoming a danger to himself, while completely forgetting who his family is


A plot twist as Donnie becomes so brain-dead that he starts to attack his family, literally "fighting without thinking"


More time for Mikey to create an actual cure, intelligently reading Donnie's notes and taking some guesses, as the others hold back the relentless Donatello


A final fight scene with Donnie, with April managing to calm him down with her powers while Mikey administers the cure


Overall, I find that idea much more interesting, with some tweaking. Fillers can and have been great.

A lot of those scenarios would have been cool. I guess that's just not the Nick way. I'm slowly accepting it as fact. I guess IDW comics are giving me what I want so I'm able to let it go.

BTW, am I alone in thinking that no one was really all that concerned over Donnie except maybe Mikey and April. Raph especially didn't seem to care that much. Leo was a close second. I just felt like they were mad and annoyed at Donnie for not staying smart even though he was drugged.

There was a fanfic that I read where Donnie goes insane and begins to drug and do experiments on his brothers thinking that he was doing good things to them. It was scary to think of him losing it. I was hoping just a twist of that fanfic would be in this episode, but alas it was not meant to be.

[victory_angel]

A lot of those scenarios would have been cool. I guess that's just not the Nick way. I'm slowly accepting it as fact. I guess IDW comics are giving me what I want so I'm able to let it go.

BTW, am I alone in thinking that no one was really all that concerned over Donnie except maybe Mikey and April. Raph especially didn't seem to care that much. Leo was a close second. I just felt like they were mad and annoyed at Donnie for not staying smart even though he was drugged.


I thought they were concerned, but they were coming across more as frustrated because the only person who possibly could have known what could be done to help had been reduced to a blithering idiot.

I do agree it would have been better having this be a more serious matter.

A good example of something of this plot line would be that one episode from the Simpson's where Lisa is told that there is a defect in the Simpson DNA that causes stupidity. And Lisa become scared that the same thing is happening to her only to learn at the end that the defect only effects the men of the Simpson family.

So a good way of doing this plot yes have that moment where things are at the beginning such as being distracted by the falling leaf and saying that his mind suddenly went blank. Maybe while talking he can't find certain words to describe something. And then have the fact that his intellect is going is beginning to scare him.

And he unabashedly does admit this to Splinter or April, or maybe Leo.

[OrangeNinja1987]

A lot of those scenarios would have been cool. I guess that's just not the Nick way. I'm slowly accepting it as fact. I guess IDW comics are giving me what I want so I'm able to let it go.

BTW, am I alone in thinking that no one was really all that concerned over Donnie except maybe Mikey and April. Raph especially didn't seem to care that much. Leo was a close second. I just felt like they were mad and annoyed at Donnie for not staying smart even though he was drugged.

There was a fanfic that I read where Donnie goes insane and begins to drug and do experiments on his brothers thinking that he was doing good things to them. It was scary to think of him losing it. I was hoping just a twist of that fanfic would be in this episode, but alas it was not meant to be.

The idea I came up with would not be a hard episode to write. I guess this episode just wasn't the writers' biggest priority, and maybe they were pressured to include the villains by Playmates. Gosh, I hate Playmates.
I really like my idea, because as Donnie begins to attack his family, he could have been so far gone that he fought more like an animal than a ninja, with no fear of getting hurt himself. The others wouldn't know how to fight that right away and wouldn't want to hurt him.
The more I think about it, the more I'm mad about this episode. It wasn't bad at all, but it's what it could have been that made it less enjoyable.
And maybe at the end of this hypothetical, alternate Dumb Donnie episode, Donatello could have said he could find a way to slightly alter Mikey's cure in order to save Karai, seeing as both of their problems are related to the brain and involved the Brain Worms.

[IndigoErth]

BTW, am I alone in thinking that no one was really all that concerned over Donnie except maybe Mikey and April. Raph especially didn't seem to care that much. Leo was a close second. I just felt like they were mad and annoyed at Donnie for not staying smart even though he was drugged.
Well, I can forgive it a little because for a while they didn't even know what was up with him and hadn't a clue that he'd gotten any of that stuff on him; only Mikey knew it happened due to his bumbling around the lab, but wouldn't have known it's a bad thing since Donnie wasn't concerned. Plus, well, siblings...doesn't take much to be annoyed at each other and lose patience easily, even when the reasons are understandable; been there, done that. :trazz:

But I'd have to agree that all should have been concerned when he chugged down the concoction, that Mikey came up with, in front of them. I didn't see anyone running for the meds that induce vomiting out of any concern that he just swallowed a half gallon of something deadly.

[ssjup81]

I finally was able to watch this episode. I know some felt Mikey was annoying in the beginning, but I actually didn't. Thought it was cute and reminded me of the ep where we first got ICK. I think it's cute in general that Mikey likes hanging around Donnie. For me, it's reminiscent of the Mirage comics, as I was always under the impression that Mikey was close to Donnie and Raph and Donnie was close to Mikey and Leo...so it didn't bother me. Only Mikey's stupidity in season 1 annoyed me. Trying to talk to and keep his bro company doesn't bother me. Seriously, Donnie is fully capable of kicking Mikey out of and banning him from his lab if he didn't want him there. Personally, I think Donnie secretly like his younger bro's company.

I also like how Mikey later was trying to ease the tension and lighten the mood with the Kraangdroid head. Made sense to me. He felt bad about what happened. Truly shows how he's the "heart" of the team, imo.

That aside, this episode was great for me. It was funny, but sucks that there were no Pinky references. Would've been great to hear something similar to "Narf" coming out of Donnie's mouth. :lol: I also laughed my head off when Donnie stole Raph and Leo's masks. I want to know how he managed to do that. lol. Ironic how Raph was unmasked in the first Creep ep and how he was for this...even though it was a blink and you miss it moment.

Oh yeah...the Friday 13 junk was fun to catch.

I like how Raph fought a lot this ep. When he took that hit from the Creep, I was like, "Wow Raph". lol

It was interesting seeing April in the Shellraiser at the controls. Good thing she managed to figure it out.

The fight at the end where it was Mikey and Raph, loved it. That's what I liked about the Turtles in Time ep. Those two fighting together.

I like how Mikey managed to save Donnie. I now don't have a problem with the Retromutagen he made in the other ep.

To me, the show is showing that Mikey is a bit like all three of his brothers.

Leo: He's the most skilled (we all know it) as he's the most serious when training. Mikey out-Ninja'd Leo last ep. He can be good when need be.

Raph: He's the aggressive fighter. He doesn't hold back. Mikey has moments where he can be aggressive.

Donnie: He's the brains of the group. To me, the series is inferring that Mikey is smart, but in an instinctive way, hence the antidote he made for Donnie.

I dunno, maybe I'm looking too much into it, but it just seems that way to me...

[JTH]

Also loved Donnie bringing out his inner Homer Simpson.

"Mmmm...Pizza Shake." :lol:

[drag0nfeathers]

For many of the reasons people have already mentioned I really loved this episode. It felt sort of like the "old turtles" but it was not in a bad way at all. I found it a refreshing change of pace and it reminded me much of season 1 and 2 of which I very much enjoyed. Not saying I hate season 3, just that I enjoyed 1 and 2 more for the most past overall.

Donnie derp was adorable and i was waiting for a Pinky reference myself... for some reason when he downed Mikey's concoction I was so predicting it was coming in one for or another. Alas, I think that was the only disappointment I had.

Creepweed was awesome, much more my style in character design then the MegaShredder and I found Mikey to be more so an annoying little brother than actually stupid.

Totally missed the mask snatching! I remember the part, but didn't even notice. Now I'll have to re-watch it an pay more attention!

[Wildcat]

This episode kinda sums up my problems with the show recently. Mikey is literally just goof material now. I don't care that he "saved" Don. It was a quick fix. Oh ya the healing mantra WAS too deus ex machina. Sorry folks.

Don losing his intelligence is a good plot but why did he have to become an idiot? For more goofball humor, that's why. I get it. It's today's humor.

Why are so many things a reference? Godzilla, Jason, Body Snatchers, Terminator etc. It'd be fine if it were a lighthearted cartoon but it's meant to be serious yet a lot of things end up being homages to something else.

A reference should be a line/item/action done in passing. Not exact situations with an altered version of its namesake for legal-reasons. You can die in your nightmares...by the Dream Beavers.

I too dislike the paradox of the turtles saving Splinter. We really need THAT in this series?

[ssjup81]

This episode kinda sums up my problems with the show recently. Mikey is literally just goof material now. I don't care that he "saved" Don. It was a quick fix. Oh ya the healing mantra WAS too deus ex machina. Sorry folks.I figured it was good for physical injuries and life-threatening situations. I don't see how the healing mantra would've worked for Donnie's situation. The only other place I've seen something like that in a fictional series is Naruto and ironically, it was used to heal a poison victim, but they didn't do a mantra.I too dislike the paradox of the turtles saving Splinter. We really need THAT in this series?Third Harry Potter book did that. Harry ended up saving himself in the same way the Turtles saved Splinter. It's not a new concept...

[Wildcat]

I was being sarcastic about the healing mantra but the drink Mikey made was the same difference anyway. Deus Ex Machina.

I know the paradox is nothing new. The Terminator does it too. I just don't like it because it screws up storylines with silliness. I mean was this kind of nonsense needed in Tmnt? I don't find it interesting at all.

[Ashwolf]

Not sure if any1 else caught this but creep must be extremely stealthy cause while April was in the kitchen talking w splinter, creep was literally behind splinter and he didn't even realize

also thinking that as far as sensing other beings nearby goes, Leo is starting 2 surpass splinter

[victory_angel]

I was being sarcastic about the healing mantra but the drink Mikey made was the same difference anyway. Deus Ex Machina.


I don't see it as Deus ex Machina. Mikey is the only turtle who spends time in the lab on a regular basis aside from Donnie.

Raph is only in the lab when he has reason to be which is whenever everyone else is in there.

Leo only goes into the lab to consult Donnie about things that generally regard the mission at hand and occasionally help out where he can.

Mikey is the only Turtle who actively hangs out with Donnie. And while he doesn't exactly grasp the entirety of what Donnie does. He is able to process and memorize what sort of things Donnie used. And then anything from there is trial and error.

He was able to remember what Donnie had told him during Parasitica.
Mikey making the super retromutagen was a fluke.
and the same thing was here with the antidote.

And while Mikey acts like a idiot much of the time, these moments plus the moments where Mikey was taking charge in Dimention X show that Mikey isn't an idiot so much as he is an Idiot Savant.

[ssjup81]

I don't see it as Deus ex Machina. Mikey is the only turtle who spends time in the lab on a regular basis aside from Donnie.

Raph is only in the lab when he has reason to be which is whenever everyone else is in there.

Leo only goes into the lab to consult Donnie about things that generally regard the mission at hand and occasionally help out where he can.Yeah, this. Mikey always spends time with Donnie, I noticed so it's not too surprising he may pick up something even if he doesn't fully get it. Maybe it's more like, "Donnie mixed the red chemical with the green chemical" or something like that. Back in season 1, Donnie explained what DNA was to Mikey...until Donnie stopped himself wondering why he was even bothering. Later on in that ep, when Leo said "DNA?", Mikey repeated some of what Donnie said and then went on to say he'd explain it more later. Even in the ICK ep, Mikey told ICK that he'd use his "scientific know-how to return ICK back to normal.

You know, now that I'm thinking about it, maybe Mikey's just really into science or would like to be due to Donnie's influence. Why else would he hang around him so much in his lab? He probably has an actual genuine interest in it. In other words, it didn't come from out of no place.
Mikey is the only Turtle who actively hangs out with Donnie. And while he doesn't exactly grasp the entirety of what Donnie does. He is able to process and memorize what sort of things Donnie used. And then anything from there is trial and error.

He was able to remember what Donnie had told him during Parasitica.
Mikey making the super retromutagen was a fluke.
and the same thing was here with the antidote.

And while Mikey acts like a idiot much of the time, these moments plus the moments where Mikey was taking charge in Dimention X show that Mikey isn't an idiot so much as he is an Idiot Savant.Nicely put. This is an interesting trait with him. Just think of how his character would be if he was more focused.

This is also why I no longer have a problem with the retromutagen ep anymore. If Mikey was just emulating what he saw Donnie doing and added in something extra (instinctive), I have no problem with that.

[Wildcat]

Mikey could pick up on the jist of things but it's still deus ex machina to me when his concoctions always conveniently work in one try.

Maybe Mikey should play with the worm creature...he'd probably end up curing Karai out of dumb luck.

[tylerdavies]

I would give this episode a 6.5/10. It was very "meh".
The highlight was most definitely Dumb Donnie. Everything he did was hilarious and stuff I'd never thought I'd see Donnie do. What was the Pinky and the Brain reference that some people have said is in the episode and some have said it isn't?
"I like French Fries!!" should have been on that voting thing at the top. I was laughing so hard! Or maybe "Oooo...Squirrellll!"
I just wished Dumb Donnie was the sole conflict of the episode. It was funny, entertaining, and new, so naturally I wanted to see more of it. Because of the Creep/Snakeweed marriage, this Dumb Donnie scenario felt like a wasted idea that could have had so much more laughs. While it was nice to touch up on some old villains (not that I care for them, but the show needs to refresh its memory on the bad guys sometimes), think about what an episode with Dumb Donnie as the sole conflict would be like:

The problem could have arose from something besides the default "Mikey Makes a Mistake" trope


There would be full detail of Donnie's slow descent as the others rush to cure him before it's too late


Tension builds as Donnie goes from merely saying dumb things and being absent-minded to actually becoming a danger to himself, while completely forgetting who his family is


A plot twist as Donnie becomes so brain-dead that he starts to attack his family, literally "fighting without thinking"


More time for Mikey to create an actual cure, intelligently reading Donnie's notes and taking some guesses, as the others hold back the relentless Donatello


A final fight scene with Donnie, with April managing to calm him down with her powers while Mikey administers the cure


Overall, I find that idea much more interesting, with some tweaking. Fillers can and have been great.

I totally agree. Such a waste of a good idea. I'm not sure if anyone's mentioned it but in the episode Leo says something about The Creep getting smarter while Donnie becomes dumber and he doesn't know why. Did they answer that in the episode? If they did I totally missed it.

If they wanted to bring The Creep back they should have just parodied Jason Takes Manhattan with the Creep running amok in New York capturing and turning people into plants. Then they could have the Creep come back again when the turtles are in space to parody Jason X. You know, because Ciro just loves to parody horror genres.

[TLP]

This episode kinda sums up my problems with the show recently. Mikey is literally just goof material now. I don't care that he "saved" Don. It was a quick fix. Oh ya the healing mantra WAS too deus ex machina. Sorry folks.

Don losing his intelligence is a good plot but why did he have to become an idiot? For more goofball humor, that's why. I get it. It's today's humor.

Why are so many things a reference? Godzilla, Jason, Body Snatchers, Terminator etc. It'd be fine if it were a lighthearted cartoon but it's meant to be serious yet a lot of things end up being homages to something else.

A reference should be a line/item/action done in passing. Not exact situations with an altered version of its namesake for legal-reasons. You can die in your nightmares...by the Dream Beavers.

I too dislike the paradox of the turtles saving Splinter. We really need THAT in this series?

Agreed. Total Deux ex Machina.

[Vicky82]

Peter Di Cicco replied to this question on Tumblr.


anonymous asked:
A lot of the episodes this season have played up Mikey as a joke instead of a capable ninja and it's been souring the whole show for me. So MUCH thanks for an episode where he helps out and is fairly appreciated for it. And he was still funny! A++

peterdicicco answered:
Thanks! Mikey is really hard to write in a way. He’s such a free, spontaneous soul, and yeah he’s immature, but he’s still just as good a ninja as the others. I definitely do stupid things sometimes when I’m distracted or excited by something and I’m not paying attention, so I can relate to that. I still feel like I made him a little too silly at times, but he’s a fun-loving silly guy, and his brothers definitely appreciate him.

http://peterdicicco.tumblr.com/

[neatoman]

So was Whitman voicing April in this episode or was it someone else?

[TurtleTitan97]

So was Whitman voicing April in this episode or was it someone else?

Pretty sure it was Whitman.

[IndigoErth]

I'm not sure if anyone's mentioned it but in the episode Leo says something about The Creep getting smarter while Donnie becomes dumber and he doesn't know why. Did they answer that in the episode? If they did I totally missed it.
Good question, I don't recall them ever answering that.

It really felt like something that should or would be answered though, so I'm wondering if they threw that in there to tie it in with a future episode related to that brain worm.


You know, if the stuff Donnie made does not affect everyone the same... if only Mikey was the one who'd come into contact with it. Given how they've written him and the discontent many have with it, it would be a missed opportunity to easily add a little maturity to him. I'm sure probably not the most interesting plot development if it boils down to his brothers thinking "Oh, well I guess that stuff made Mikey get his act together a little...well, I guess that's ok then," but it would be simple enough of an excuse to drop the more idiotic leanings, but still preserve the silly, fun loving, jokester side of him. :trazz:

[TigerClaw]

I thought it was a good episode, great seeing the Shellraiser again. :)

[JTH]

Good question, I don't recall them ever answering that.

It really felt like something that should or would be answered though, so I'm wondering if they threw that in there to tie it in with a future episode related to that brain worm.

I'm going to just take an educated guess here since it wasn't explained.

Donnie wasn't affected by the serum splashing on him at first, it only started when The Creep came to be. Which clearly means The Creep had something to do with it. The Creep when in the lab absorbed the brain serum in the beaker, and which like in the premiere with being able to harness mutagen from Raph, Creep became able to extract the serum as well. Meaning that since Donnie had traces of the serum within him, The Creep was able to draw the serum from Donnie and extract his intellect in the process. Immediately afterwards, Donnie began to show signs of effects during the sparring session as well as in the lab. Then like when Creep started glowing during the second Dojo fight, that's to be believed as Creep drawing more knowledge from Donnie, after that The Creep gained more fighting ability and defeated Raph & Mikey when he countered their attacks, (Which if you remember, Donnie lost his knowledge to counter when sparring Raph) and soon after that fight and Creep disappeared. Donnie showed more signs of fading intellect.

I did begin to doubt that theory when I thought Creep was destroyed after the Shellraiser explosion and Donnie was still getting worse after it; but when they showed Creepweed, it meant he was still alive so the extraction was still happening.

Again, that's just a guess, but there doesn't seem to be any other logical reasoning. :embarass:

[ranger_scout]

Who would have thought that Mikey's mixture would actually restore Donatello's intelligence? I guess it made sense for his intelligence to not come back right away because it slowly disappeared when the first liquid spilled on him. The highlight for me was when Donnie suddenly showed up and used the weed killer.

[ssjup81]

I'm going to just take an educated guess here since it wasn't explained.

Donnie wasn't affected by the serum splashing on here at first, it only started when The Creep came to be. Which clearly means The Creep had something to do with it. The Creep when in the lab absorbed the brain serum in the beaker, and which like in the premiere with being able to harness mutagen from Raph, Creep became able to extract the serum as well. Meaning that since Donnie had traces of the serum within him, The Creep was able to draw the serum from Donnie and extract his intellect in the process. Immediately afterwards, Donnie began to show signs of effects during the sparring session as well as in the lab. Then like when Creep started glowing during the second Dojo fight, that's to be believed as Creep drawing more knowledge from Donnie, after that The Creep gained more fighting ability and defeated Raph & Mikey when he countered their attacks, (Which if you remember, Donnie lost his knowledge to counter when sparring Raph) and soon after that fight and Creep disappeared. Donnie showed more signs of fading intellect.

I did begin to doubt that theory when I thought Creep was destroyed after the Shellraiser explosion and Donnie was still getting worse after it; but when they showed Creepweed, it meant he was still alive so the extraction was still happening.

Again, that's just a guess, but there doesn't seem to be any other logical reasoning. :embarass:I could see that being answered in a later episode. That observation made my Leo was too relevant to ignore. Maybe Donnie will theorize on it for a later episode.

That aside, great theory.

[Luckyday]

I'm going to just take an educated guess here since it wasn't explained.

Donnie wasn't affected by the serum splashing on him at first, it only started when The Creep came to be. Which clearly means The Creep had something to do with it. The Creep when in the lab absorbed the brain serum in the beaker, and which like in the premiere with being able to harness mutagen from Raph, Creep became able to extract the serum as well. Meaning that since Donnie had traces of the serum within him, The Creep was able to draw the serum from Donnie and extract his intellect in the process. Immediately afterwards, Donnie began to show signs of effects during the sparring session as well as in the lab. Then like when Creep started glowing during the second Dojo fight, that's to be believed as Creep drawing more knowledge from Donnie, after that The Creep gained more fighting ability and defeated Raph & Mikey when he countered their attacks, (Which if you remember, Donnie lost his knowledge to counter when sparring Raph) and soon after that fight and Creep disappeared. Donnie showed more signs of fading intellect.

I did begin to doubt that theory when I thought Creep was destroyed after the Shellraiser explosion and Donnie was still getting worse after it; but when they showed Creepweed, it meant he was still alive so the extraction was still happening.

Again, that's just a guess, but there doesn't seem to be any other logical reasoning. :embarass:

This might be stupid on my part to say this but do you think that this could really benefited a clip of the camera zooming in on Donnie's and the Creep's cells showing that they exchange dna like how it's done in medical dramas or that one scene in Breaking Dawn when they were showing Bella's cells harding up to show that she was turning into a vampire?

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[Werecat]

This episode kinda sums up my problems with the show recently. Mikey is literally just goof material now. I don't care that he "saved" Don. It was a quick fix. Oh ya the healing mantra WAS too deus ex machina. Sorry folks.

Don losing his intelligence is a good plot but why did he have to become an idiot? For more goofball humor, that's why. I get it. It's today's humor.

Why are so many things a reference? Godzilla, Jason, Body Snatchers, Terminator etc. It'd be fine if it were a lighthearted cartoon but it's meant to be serious yet a lot of things end up being homages to something else.

A reference should be a line/item/action done in passing. Not exact situations with an altered version of its namesake for legal-reasons. You can die in your nightmares...by the Dream Beavers.

I too dislike the paradox of the turtles saving Splinter. We really need THAT in this series?

It seems like you dislike the key features of TMNT. Mikey's character was always intended to be goofball material, he is the lighthearted, silly, optimistic guy that can have a stroke of genius every once in awhile. Those references are also what TMNT is about too, the original comics and all tmnt variations poke fun at pop culture.

I actually really liked Donnie in this episode, he was so silly it made me giggle. To me it seems like you guys just absolutely hate your precious Donnie and Mikey to be adorable silly lumps. Their faces, their voices, and their lines are silly and adorable, I enjoyed it.

You guys need to stop being such debbie downers and lighten up and actually laugh once in awhile. TMNT is not some Game of Thrones episode with incest, murder, betrayal, and dragons. Get yer mind outta the gutter!

[GoldMutant]

It seems like you dislike the key features of TMNT. Mikey's character was always intended to be goofball material, he is the lighthearted, silly, optimistic guy that can have a stroke of genius every once in awhile. Those references are also what TMNT is about too, the original comics and all tmnt variations poke fun at pop culture.

I actually really liked Donnie in this episode, he was so silly it made me giggle. To me it seems like you guys just absolutely hate your precious Donnie and Mikey to be adorable silly lumps. Their faces, their voices, and their lines are silly and adorable, I enjoyed it.

You guys need to stop being such debbie downers and lighten up and actually laugh once in awhile. TMNT is not some Game of Thrones episode with incest, murder, betrayal, and dragons. Get yer mind outta the gutter!

Just because he's the light hearted member doesn't mean he should always be comic relief. Mikey has shown a creative side to his character in certain comic incarnations, in addition to a potential best warrior in some versions as well as emotional. I think for many they want a Michelangelo that isn't simply a goofball, even as the defining trait of the character. Even then, you can still have many things to make a character complex and overall memorable. After all, even when goofy, Mikey gets moments that makes him shine that people want more of, most know from the Leatherhead episodes.

And basing people for what they want doesn't make the situation better bud, people should be able to address what they like and don't, it is human nature. If we were all the same and liked the same stuff, how can we see improvements? It's pretty weird, then again I'm babbling like an idiot again...

To be honest on my thoughts of the episode, I was really hard on Mikey and bashed what he does again, but guess I reacted too quickly. I personally think the episode is flawed and of these four it is most certainly the weakest, but more could have been done.

[Wildcat]

It seems like you dislike the key features of TMNT. Mikey's character was always intended to be goofball material, he is the lighthearted, silly, optimistic guy that can have a stroke of genius every once in awhile. Those references are also what TMNT is about too, the original comics and all tmnt variations poke fun at pop culture.

I actually really liked Donnie in this episode, he was so silly it made me giggle. To me it seems like you guys just absolutely hate your precious Donnie and Mikey to be adorable silly lumps. Their faces, their voices, and their lines are silly and adorable, I enjoyed it.

You guys need to stop being such debbie downers and lighten up and actually laugh once in awhile. TMNT is not some Game of Thrones episode with incest, murder, betrayal, and dragons. Get yer mind outta the gutter!Mikey does not need to be a goofball 99% of the time. He wasn't in OT, 2k3 or old live action movies. Plus some just don't like the goofball humor a lot of cartoons recently.

Re-read my complaint about references. Here they're full blown representations...not just references that poke fun. Clear difference.

[tylerdavies]

It seems like you dislike the key features of TMNT. Mikey's character was always intended to be goofball material, he is the lighthearted, silly, optimistic guy that can have a stroke of genius every once in awhile. Those references are also what TMNT is about too, the original comics and all tmnt variations poke fun at pop culture.


Those are the traits that I really like in Mikey but they're often overplayed. A lot of us are frustrated that him making a goof and trying to fix it has already been done about 5 times...and I'm sure it'll be done about 5 more times before the show is finished. Someone mentioned it could be because the show is written by a bunch of different writers who all have their own take on how Mikey acts. I could see that being a small a issue.

A recent episode that I think Mikey was well written was Attack of the Mega Shredder. His goofy behaviour was shown in passing instead of being the cause of the conflict.
>Mikey tripping over a footbot head because he was clumsy
>Mikey accidentally getting snuggled by Rahzar
>Mikey following and joining up with Leo to snatch a brain worm.
>Mikey getting eaten by mega shredder

I'm sure another writer would have probably had him trying to tickle Rahzar's nose to bother him while he sleeps and then he wakes up, alerting all of shredder's forces and ruining leo's plan. :roll:

[IndigoErth]

*nod* Would not surprise me if multiple writers is a factor.

IMO, being a loveable goofball should be harmless, frequently charming, and happen intentionally by the character because it's just who they are. And Mikey does have this of course.

Unfortunately these days the concept of being a "loveable goofball" appears to be mistaken for (or rewritten as/in addition to) a character unintentionally being a "bumbling idiot."


Like, I dunno... having him help Donnie in the lab and just being too playful about it or distracted by something to Donnie's disadvantage/annoyance rather than straight up destroying the lab.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Agreed. I get so tired of them always writing him as an idiot, when it's much better to have him cracking jokes and pulling pranks for humor, where it doesn't make him out as stupid, but still gets across that he's fun-loving and a little impish. You can have someone acting "goofy" WITHOUT also being DUMB.

[THGhost]

"Remember when he turned Raph into a plant? Good times." No they weren't Mikey. No they weren't.
I was wondering when The Creep was coming back.
"I could use a fresh sample of your DNA..." Smooooth Donatellooo! ;)
Ice Cream Kitty! Can't be a very good freezer if she begins to melt that quickly.
What the hell is wrong with Donnie?
Why aren't any of the keys on the Shellraiser's keyboard labeled???
Was that a mutagen-covered ant hill?
"I'M MELTING! MELTING!"
Sooo, Ice Cream Kitty melts when the freezer is open but not when she's on Donnie's head? THAT makes sense! xD
Duke Nukem reference! :D
That burn from Donnie at the end xD


Not the best episode, but still pretty fun. Glad it's not the finale, no idea why Wiki had it listed as the last episode not that long ago.

[evan2000]

Why aren't any of the keys on the Shellraiser's keyboard labeled???

Obviously Donnie only uses "Filco Ninja" keyboards, because he's a Ninja :tlol: *ba dum tss* :tlol:

http://www.webwit.nl/input/filco/fkbn87-white-5.jpg

[ssjup81]

"Remember when he turned Raph into a plant? Good times." No they weren't Mikey. No they weren't.
I was wondering when The Creep was coming back.
"I could use a fresh sample of your DNA..." Smooooth Donatellooo! ;)
Ice Cream Kitty! Can't be a very good freezer if she begins to melt that quickly.
What the hell is wrong with Donnie?
Why aren't any of the keys on the Shellraiser's keyboard labeled???
Was that a mutagen-covered ant hill?
"I'M MELTING! MELTING!"
Sooo, Ice Cream Kitty melts when the freezer is open but not when she's on Donnie's head? THAT makes sense! xD
Duke Nukem reference! :D
That burn from Donnie at the end xD


Not the best episode, but still pretty fun. Glad it's not the finale, no idea why Wiki had it listed as the last episode not that long ago.He said the same thing about Leatherhead grabbing Donnie's face..."good times..."

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Those are the traits that I really like in Mikey but they're often overplayed. A lot of us are frustrated that him making a goof and trying to fix it has already been done about 5 times...and I'm sure it'll be done about 5 more times before the show is finished. Someone mentioned it could be because the show is written by a bunch of different writers who all have their own take on how Mikey acts. I could see that being a small a issue.

Being written by different writers is no excuse. They should all know how the characters work and should work by now. There's certain consistency that's being kept within this show such as Leo maintaining his ninja practices as opposed to watching cartoons like he used to in the first two seasons or Don holding off on being infatuated with April. I would like to see that with Mikey but I guess some things never change.

[THGhost]

Obviously Donnie only uses "Filco Ninja" keyboards, because he's a Ninja :tlol: *ba dum tss* :tlol:

http://www.webwit.nl/input/filco/fkbn87-white-5.jpg

Dayum :o I didn't know those existed. I think I'd be pretty good with one of those. :tcool:

He said the same thing about Leatherhead grabbing Donnie's face..."good times..."

I don't think Mikey knows what "good times" means. :P

[IndigoErth]

Obviously Donnie only uses "Filco Ninja" keyboards, because he's a Ninja :tlol: *ba dum tss* :tlol:

http://www.webwit.nl/input/filco/fkbn87-white-5.jpg
:tlol: Nice. (Though that would prob drive me insane if I only had three fingers to type with. lol)

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I'm pretty sure it would drive almost ANYONE nuts!

[Ravenshell]

So apparently Mikey can just throw anything together and it turns out to be the useful thing they needed at the time. That totally doesn't come off contrived... Nope. I'm also not buying his photographic memory being the real deal... (Ooh, gum!) If it was, he'd be able to recreate the super-retromutagen. Believe me, I like to see Mikey showing some intelligence, but watching him throw sceince at the wall and have it come out better than anything Donnie can come up with after actually working for it is irritating and spotlight-stealing.

Still trying to work out why that potion made Donnie derpier before miraculously curing him...

Other stuff, though...

MU...mu..mu TA... ta... ta... GEN... gen... gen...
I forget, did the Creep do this in his first ep?

Not gonna call these references, but I associate the "Squirrel!" line with "Up", and the "I like french fries!" line with zombie kid's "I like turtles!"

Was there any background on where the grasskicker came from? Seems kind of out of left field (pardon the pun).

No "Narf!", but there's a second of Pinky-esque laughter in there...

WTH, Splinter?! You're not even going to try the healing mantra?? Just leave Donnie dumb and let things sort themselves out on their own?? Some dad...

"Are we gardeners or ninjas?!" You tell me, Raph... you're the one with the faining tools...

All in all, I'm left pretty unimpressed with this ep.

[Ravenshell]

There was a fanfic that I read where Donnie goes insane and begins to drug and do experiments on his brothers thinking that he was doing good things to them. It was scary to think of him losing it. I was hoping just a twist of that fanfic would be in this episode, but alas it was not meant to be.

Dr. Don, by Lokrume. She's just released the last two chapters. Excellent fic.

[victory_angel]

So apparently Mikey can just throw anything together and it turns out to be the useful thing they needed at the time. That totally doesn't come off contrived... Nope. I'm also not buying his photographic memory being the real deal... (Ooh, gum!) If it was, he'd be able to recreate the super-retromutagen. Believe me, I like to see Mikey showing some intelligence, but watching him throw sceince at the wall and have it come out better than anything Donnie can come up with after actually working for it is irritating and spotlight-stealing.


It's possible he only recognizes the chemicals by sight rather by name. In Battle for New York Donnie had asked Mikey what chemicals he had used and Mikey tries to list off what chemicals he used but didn't have a clear idea of the chemical names. But if he had been asked to show what chemicals he used he probably could have indicated what he had used while he was playing with Donnie's chem set.

[JTH]

At this point, someone should make a thread on here having people create quotes, dialogue, and scenes the way they feel Mikey's character should be and how he should be written, and then let others judge based on the diatribe, if it's in character or not. Make a game out of it.

Because so many on here seem to have their own idea, and I have a sneaky suspicion that 90-95% of that group would fare no better at walking on that chalk line.

Saying how a character is supposed to be is one thing, putting it in dialogue is another and all that matters.

Someone really should, this would be fun. :lol:

[Luckyday]

It's possible he only recognizes the chemicals by sight rather by name. In Battle for New York Donnie had asked Mikey what chemicals he had used and Mikey tries to list off what chemicals he used but didn't have a clear idea of the chemical names. But if he had been asked to show what chemicals he used he probably could have indicated what he had used while he was playing with Donnie's chem set.

So he's basically Jesse Pinkman?


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[ssjup81]

It's possible he only recognizes the chemicals by sight rather by name. In Battle for New York Donnie had asked Mikey what chemicals he had used and Mikey tries to list off what chemicals he used but didn't have a clear idea of the chemical names. But if he had been asked to show what chemicals he used he probably could have indicated what he had used while he was playing with Donnie's chem set.This is what I was thinking. He could've seen Donnie mixing chemicals A, B, and C and did the same, but not sure on what they were by name.

In teaching, you deal with a different array of students with different learning styles. You have those who are auditory learners while some understand things by being hands on and others understand best by reading the material. In Mikey's case, he strikes me as a visual learner. He gets stuff better if he sees it. If he has a photographic memory, it makes sense. I also could see him being a handson learner...his nunchucks.

As I've said before, the nunchuck is one of the most difficult weapons to master. You need a lot of focus and concentration to master them. Given Mikey for this series, how did he manage that?

[victory_angel]

This is what I was thinking. He could've seen Donnie mixing chemicals A, B, and C and did the same, but not sure on what they were by name.

In teaching, you deal with a different array of students with different learning styles. You have those who are auditory learners while some understand things by being hands on and others understand best by reading the material. In Mikey's case, he strikes me as a visual learner. He gets stuff better if he sees it. If he has a photographic memory, it makes sense. I also could see him being a handson learner...his nunchucks.

As I've said before, the nunchuck is one of the most difficult weapons to master. You need a lot of focus and concentration to master them. Given Mikey for this series, how did he manage that?

And Mikey did demonstrate signs that he's an idiot savant. Even Andre the black nerd has described Mikey as such in his recent video.

After all he Mikey is a person who is considered to be mentally handicapped but displays brilliance in a specific area, especially one involving memory.

[jenna]

I didn't see the first 5 minutes, so missed the Mikey-messed-up moment, but from what I did see, I thought this was a sweet episode. Donnie losing his mental capacity was quite touching and it was nice to see a more child-like, playful version of him, and to see his brothers recognise the importance and value of the role he plays in the team.

Interesting moment with Raph inviting the Creep to defeat him... :o A new darker dimension for Nick Raph?

Shame they couldn't find a different angle for a Mikey-centric episode though.

Nice episode, not the best but by no means the worst.

[DarkLightDragon]

I didn't see the first 5 minutes, so missed the Mikey-messed-up moment, but from what I did see, I thought this was a sweet episode. Donnie losing his mental capacity was quite touching and it was nice to see a more child-like, playful version of him, and to see his brothers recognise the importance and value of the role he plays in the team.

Interesting moment with Raph inviting the Creep to defeat him... :o A new darker dimension for Nick Raph?

Shame they couldn't find a different angle for a Mikey-centric episode though.

Nice episode, not the best but by no means the worst.


Didn't think it was an invite to defeat him. But rather a subtle way of Raph wanting to go mono-a-mono with the monster that gave him trouble back in Within the Woods with the whole 'turned into a plant' thing.

[T-U-R-T-L-E POWA!]

This is what I was thinking. He could've seen Donnie mixing chemicals A, B, and C and did the same, but not sure on what they were by name.

In teaching, you deal with a different array of students with different learning styles. You have those who are auditory learners while some understand things by being hands on and others understand best by reading the material. In Mikey's case, he strikes me as a visual learner. He gets stuff better if he sees it. If he has a photographic memory, it makes sense. I also could see him being a handson learner...his nunchucks.

As I've said before, the nunchuck is one of the most difficult weapons to master. You need a lot of focus and concentration to master them. Given Mikey for this series, how did he manage that?
I actually thought that Mikey didn't really heal Donnie and that Splinter's mantra did but they didn't want Mikey to feel so bad so they just told him that. I thought they might reveal that later but then they never hinted towards it so maybe Mikey did save the day. I liked the episode but honestly I think they make Mikey in to WAY too much of an idiot sometimes and it borders on making me not even like him as a character because he is so dumb. I love all the Turtles but I'm just saying that they sorta push the envelope in making him less of the "goofy" one and more of the "dangerously freaking stupid" one. Maybe it's just me though.

[ssjup81]

I actually thought that Mikey didn't really heal Donnie and that Splinter's mantra did but they didn't want Mikey to feel so bad so they just told him that. I thought they might reveal that later but then they never hinted towards it so maybe Mikey did save the day. I liked the episode but honestly I think they make Mikey in to WAY too much of an idiot sometimes and it borders on making me not even like him as a character because he is so dumb. I love all the Turtles but I'm just saying that they sorta push the envelope in making him less of the "goofy" one and more of the "dangerously freaking stupid" one. Maybe it's just me though.But Mikey isn't dangerously stupid.... Early season 1 Mikey was.... Oh and here's my take on the ep....

I finally was able to watch this episode. I know some felt Mikey was annoying in the beginning, but I actually didn't. Thought it was cute and reminded me of the ep where we first got ICK. I think it's cute in general that Mikey likes hanging around Donnie. For me, it's reminiscent of the Mirage comics, as I was always under the impression that Mikey was close to Donnie and Raph and Donnie was close to Mikey and Leo...so it didn't bother me. Only Mikey's stupidity in season 1 annoyed me. Trying to talk to and keep his bro company doesn't bother me. Seriously, Donnie is fully capable of kicking Mikey out of and banning him from his lab if he didn't want him there. Personally, I think Donnie secretly like his younger bro's company.

I also like how Mikey later was trying to ease the tension and lighten the mood with the Kraangdroid head. Made sense to me. He felt bad about what happened. Truly shows how he's the "heart" of the team, imo.

That aside, this episode was great for me. It was funny, but sucks that there were no Pinky references. Would've been great to hear something similar to "Narf" coming out of Donnie's mouth. :lol: I also laughed my head off when Donnie stole Raph and Leo's masks. I want to know how he managed to do that. lol. Ironic how Raph was unmasked in the first Creep ep and how he was for this...even though it was a blink and you miss it moment.

Oh yeah...the Friday 13 junk was fun to catch.

I like how Raph fought a lot this ep. When he took that hit from the Creep, I was like, "Wow Raph". lol

It was interesting seeing April in the Shellraiser at the controls. Good thing she managed to figure it out.

The fight at the end where it was Mikey and Raph, loved it. That's what I liked about the Turtles in Time ep. Those two fighting together.

I like how Mikey managed to save Donnie. I now don't have a problem with the Retromutagen he made in the other ep.

To me, the show is showing that Mikey is a bit like all three of his brothers.

Leo: He's the most skilled (we all know it) as he's the most serious when training. Mikey out-Ninja'd Leo last ep. He can be good when need be.

Raph: He's the aggressive fighter. He doesn't hold back. Mikey has moments where he can be aggressive.

Donnie: He's the brains of the group. To me, the series is inferring that Mikey is smart, but in an instinctive way, hence the antidote he made for Donnie.

I dunno, maybe I'm looking too much into it, but it just seems that way to me...

[miru]

I do like how they tied this into the Karai plot (and it also hinted that the next episode was a Karai one!). And Creep's deep breathing is really well-done. I like how Son of Snakeweed is proportionately the same size as the Snakeweed toy.

[PangolinFeets]

I'm just gonna leave this here. Tumblr is truly a wonder.

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[TheMuz]

Hey Guys, we posted our review/web show about this episode :) I hope you guys enjoy!

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[Powder]

I'm cringing.

[ToTheNines]

Did anyone mention that Jason Takes Manhattan featured Kelly Hu? Too bad they couldn't work Karai into this one lol.