Official Ep Discussion: S3 Ep23: "The Fourfold Trap"

[Machias Banshee]

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Okay, so the boys are being lured into a trap. Who's setting these? Why are they being trapped? What is the final intent of their kidnapper? Will Splinter and April have to save the boys? Or do the boys have to save their own skin?


I am half asleep writing this right now... but stay tuned!

:sleep:

[Vicky82]

30 mins to go and i'm not ready to watch this episode.

[Mew]

I think FishFace might be in this. Seems quite fishy...:trazz:

[Vicky82]

OMG!!!! Splinter has a giant Hamster Wheel :lol:

and OMG!!!! It's Karai after all.

[xenopokemon]

Why does it have to be Karai? Lame. Should have been Newtralizer. This episode had so much potential to be something great.

[Foombamaroom]

This was interesting. It didn't really feel all too much like filler due to the fact that Karai's free.

[yellowmario27]

Can someone do a quick recap of the episode? I won't be able to watch till later

[xenopokemon]

This was interesting. It didn't really feel all too much like filler due to the fact that Karai's free.

That's the only reason why, but the fact that they wasted a whole episode to free Karai and nothing else was kinda stupid.

[Vicky82]

OMG!!!!! My heart!!!! This episode was intense and emotional, it was awesome. :o:cry::o:cry:

[Ninturtle]

Why does it have to be Karai? Lame. Should have been Newtralizer. This episode had so much potential to be something great.

" This episode isn't exactly what I wanted so I don't like it ".

[xenopokemon]

" This episode isn't exactly what I wanted so I don't like it ".

Pretty much. Go ahead, I know I sound childish, but I simply don't like it because it wasted its potential.

[Vicky82]

Wow I can't believe people are moaning about it being Karai even though (season 3 spoilers under spoilers)

if you read the season 3 final spoilers, it explains that why she dissapeared from Shredder

[TurFlytle]

Pretty much. Go ahead, I know I sound childish, but I simply don't like it because it wasted its potential.

Hey, we'll probably get Newtralizer in Season 4. Plus, we did get plot development. Karai's free and stuck in the sewers. At least it's better than filler. (Then again, there's no such thing as a filler Foot episode.)

[Chaotix12345]

It's really strange that Shredder wasn't anywhere in this episode. I'd hate to be the minion that has to inform him of Karai's current situation.

[GoldenFlither]

On a lighter note, that hamster wheel though.

[TurFlytle]

It's really strange that Shredder wasn't anywhere in this episode. I'd hate to be the minion that has to inform him of Karai's current situation.

Guessing how the Kuro Kabuto episode went, he won't be happy. (He'll probably blame it on Splinter, which is actually something he blames Splinter for in which he has a good reason to blame him. And wasn't something he did.)

On a lighter note, that hamster wheel though.

I want to bet that Playmates will make a toy of that. Also, how in the world did he get a hamster wheel that big? Did he steal the one from Stockman's lab? Splinter: Hmmm... I'll take this as a souvenir!

[PangolinFeets]

I was a little annoyed it was Karai too, but then they FINALLY went somewhere with the brain control crap so at least we can finally get her back on the right side and cut the ********.

[xenopokemon]

I was a little annoyed it was Karai too, but then they FINALLY went somewhere with the brain control crap so at least we can finally get her back on the right side and cut the ********.

Amen to cutting the "WE GOTTA GET KARAI BACK" crap. Although there probably will be an episode or a segment of an episode devoted to a chase of Karai, the Foot vs the Turtles.

Hey, we'll probably get Newtralizer in Season 4. Plus, we did get plot development. Karai's free and stuck in the sewers. At least it's better than filler. (Then again, there's no such thing as a filler Foot episode.)

It's basically confirmed we'll get Newtralizer in S4. He's part of a clan on his homeworld and blah-blah, it will eventually lead to Mona Lisa. Plot Twist: He's the father.

[Luckyday]

I was a little annoyed it was Karai too, but then they FINALLY went somewhere with the brain control crap so at least we can finally get her back on the right side and cut the ********.

Yeah, I gonna wait to see how long this will last but the next season is probably entirely focus on the turtles in space so chances are we won't see her again until maybe fifth season.

[PangolinFeets]

At least now we'll get a cool Karai reunion episode, which I'm excited for.

And the episode was pretty badass. Mikey's mutagen machine was straight from an 87 episode, right?

[Foombamaroom]

It's basically confirmed we'll get Newtralizer in S4. He's part of a clan on his homeworld and blah-blah, it will eventually lead to Mona Lisa. Plot Twist: He's the father.

Oh my God. I'm just imagining that conversation.

Raph: Um... Yeah, so, do you mind if I take your daughter out on a date?
Newtralizer: *ROARS* "HONEY, WHERE'S MY DISINTEGRATOR?!"

[Vicky82]

And the episode was pretty badass. Mikey's mutagen machine was straight from an 87 episode, right?

Yeah it was and I assume Donnie getting electricuted was from 2K3 episode (Alien Invasion episodes) when Donnie got captured by the Triceratons and they put that thing on his head to get info out and he got electricuted.

[xenopokemon]

Oh my God. I'm just imagining that conversation.

Raph: Um... Yeah, so, do you mind if I take your daughter out on a date?
Newtralizer: *ROARS* "HONEY, WHERE'S MY DISINTEGRATOR?!"

I am literally crying right now, that would be so funny. I think Mona Lisa might take the Karai route of being evil and then coming to like Raph, or maybe the daughter who doesn't want to take on the legacy of her clan and goes good, making her an outcast.

[TigerClaw]

It was a pretty good episode, and quite an emotional one too.

One thing to note about this episode, When Mikey was trapped on that mutagen machine, This image showed up.

Mikey imagined himself as a female turtle.

http://oi60.tinypic.com/2dl8b39.jpg

[miru]

So, it's Karai. Yay, she's free! Good to get more sewer buddies for the Turtles. One more plot down!

[Luckyday]

Mikey imagined himself as a female turtle.

http://oi60.tinypic.com/2dl8b39.jpg

Talk about some fan service. :lol::teek:

[yellowmario27]

Haven't seen the episode, but sounds similar to the Deadly Venom, where Karai targets each one and poisons them

[Vicky82]

Haven't seen the episode, but sounds similar to the Deadly Venom, where Karai targets each one and poisons them

A little bit, she captures them and puts them in little rooms to torture them and the plot gets resolved.

[Ninjinister]

It was a pretty good episode, and quite an emotional one too.

One thing to note about this episode, When Mikey was trapped on that mutagen machine, This image showed up.

Mikey imagined himself as a female turtle.

http://oi60.tinypic.com/2dl8b39.jpg

http://images.wikia.com/tmnt/images/a/ab/Venuslying.jpg

[Luckyday]

A little bit, she captures them and puts them in little rooms to torture them and the plot gets resolved.

How was the mind control broken?

[xenopokemon]

How was the mind control broken?

Splinter's Deus E- I mean ancient healing powers.

[Vicky82]

How was the mind control broken?

Splinter used the healing powers on her but she got flushed away in the sewers and at the end she threw up the mind control worm.

[Luckyday]

Splinter's Deus E- I mean ancient healing powers.

ahh, of course. :roll:

[TigerClaw]

http://images.wikia.com/tmnt/images/a/ab/Venuslying.jpg
Wow! similar pose

[Vicky82]

IGN review up

8.4 :ohwell:

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2015/09/13/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-the-fourfold-trap-review

[Ninjinister]

IGN review up

8.4 :ohwell:

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2015/09/13/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-the-fourfold-trap-review

Why does 8.4 mean ":/"?

[Vicky82]

Why does 8.4 mean ":/"?

It's a score, IGN review this when a new episode is out.

Also, we got a Minion reference

https://36.media.tumblr.com/9ab63b4ad1c3230beed1c16744351d7c/tumblr_numnz7iYCg1ucafo8o2_400.jpg

:lol:

[Mew]

Karai? Really? God.

[Ninjinister]

It's a score, IGN review this when a new episode is out.

Also, we got a Minion reference

https://36.media.tumblr.com/9ab63b4ad1c3230beed1c16744351d7c/tumblr_numnz7iYCg1ucafo8o2_400.jpg

:lol:

I know that. DUH. I'm wondering why IGN says "Great" and you went :/ Did you not like it?

[Foombamaroom]

Dear God... they put a Minion in there.
I've been trying to escape them, but they even pollute my TMNT cartoons.

[Luckyday]

Holy crap! I am so glad that I didn't skip this episode. It is so good.

This episode with the angles and perspective made it looked so cinematic.

One major complaint though.

I am really starting to get annoyed with Michelangelo's effortless ability to get past contraptions and other things. You think April has shades of mary sue? Mikey is edging closer to the pool of mary suedom to a point of seeing his own golden reflection.

One other thing is not so much a complaint but more of a observation. It seemed kind of fickle that Splinter's ninja cheat code can't work in one episode with Creeping Doom but can work here even though both inflictions involved the brain. What's up with that?

[Vicky82]

I know that. DUH. I'm wondering why IGN says "Great" and you went :/ Did you not like it?

Because I think it deserved at least at least 8.8

[yellowmario27]

I agree with this part from the IGN review:


However, my one gripe about this episode was the "fourfold trap" itself. Like I said, the design work here was spot-on, but the traps' solutions were pretty rudimentary. And given that the underlying message of this episode was "An effective team works as one," we didn't really see that in the end. When Donnie mentioned that all the traps' circuitry was connected, I thought there would be more to it than literally just breaking down brick walls.


Master Splinter says they need to work as a team, but then what ends up happening is Leo saves Raph and Mikey...and Mikey saves Donnie.
it would have been nice to see the traps relate to each other in some way.

But overall it was still good for what it was.

It was great seeing the turtles all stressed over saving Karai...but i didn't like how master splinter seemed so quick to let her go by saying "it's okay, at least i have you 4 boys"

[CyberCubed]

Good episode. Also this confirms that the people whining about Karai being de-mutated weeks ago had no clue what they were talking about. Baxter helped Karai regained her human form, but she's clearly still a mutant.

[aliena]

This is one of my favorite episodes now. I loved so much about this one.

We get to see all the bad guys together, Fishface going belly up LOL.
When Rocksteady was approaching Raph with his weapons, was that a slight nod to IDW? Scared me a bit for a second there.
Loved Donnie and Leo fight, about time Donnie yelled back.
The look on Leo's face when the formula failed, I never seem to tire of seeing him devastated.
ICK playing cards! Too cute, I love his attitude and is that the first time he "spoke"?
Mikey's banter with Bebop and Rocksteady about naming the Toilet of Doom or whatever.

Thing that irked me..
Leo saved Raph and Raph did nothing!! Again?! It was supposed to be all of them working together, but Raph didn't get to do anything really, Leo did most of it, again. What a waste.

[Vicky82]

This is one of my favorite episodes now. I loved so much about this one.

We get to see all the bad guys together, Fishface going belly up LOL.
When Rocksteady was approaching Raph with his weapons, was that a slight nod to IDW? Scared me a bit for a second there.
Loved Donnie and Leo fight, about time Donnie yelled back.
The look on Leo's face when the formula failed, I never seem to tire of seeing him devastated.
ICK playing cards! Too cute, I love his attitude and is that the first time he "spoke"?
Mikey's banter with Bebop and Rocksteady about naming the Toilet of Doom or whatever.

Thing that irked me..
Leo saved Raph and Raph did nothing!! Again?! It was supposed to be all of them working together, but Raph didn't get to do anything really, Leo did most of it, again. What a waste.

You do realise Raph was being slowly baked to death, he nearly died. So he didn't do anything because he was still recovering.

[tmntfanuk]

Wow I can't believe people are moaning about it being Karai even though (season 3 spoilers under spoilers)

if you read the season 3 final spoilers, it explains that why she dissapeared from Shredder

Where can I find said spoliers? Thanks.

[Vicky82]

Where can I find said spoliers? Thanks.

Here

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=53027

[Aaronardo]

You do realise Raph was being slowly baked to death, he nearly died. So he didn't do anything because he was still recovering.

I don't think anyone would be whining about this if Raph hadn't been chucked to the side by Leo saving him again and again this past season. Even the first episode of the season has Leo saving Raph. It's like a seasonal arc and it's f*cking annoying, particularly for Raph fans. Would've had good payoff if they did the Dark Raph arc that we were wrongfully told, but, eh.
All I'm saying is, Raph better do something incredible to save Leo's sorry shell in the finale, or this would be the worst I've seen Raph handled in any incarnation yet. And I'm not even a huge Raph fan, to begin with.

[Luckyday]

I agree with this part from the IGN review:





It was great seeing the turtles all stressed over saving Karai...but i didn't like how master splinter seemed so quick to let her go by saying "it's okay, at least i have you 4 boys"

To me, it seem like that he really didn't want to but the situation was beyond his control.

[Ninjinister]

Because I think it deserved at least at least 8.8

0.4 on a 10 point scale is negligible.

[miru]

It was real nice to see Mr. Murakami again! I also liked the Pokemon/Digimon-type cards Mike and ICK were playing with.

EDIT: Holy crap it's the Flushomatic!

[Vicky82]

I think there was Foreshadowing in this episode.

This is the 2nd time Mikey nearly get's double mutated (1st time being Attack of the Mega Shredder) and he's imagining what he looks like with a 2nd mutation. Also he said If I was an evil villian when he wanted to give the Flush o Matic a better name.

So I think maybe Mikey could be double mutated in the future (2nd half of season 4 or season 5).

[Nasubionna]

I really enjoyed this episode a ton!! It had a good blend of darkness (Donatello's trap was seriously disturbing to me, all tied down and electrocuted! :o ) and silliness that reminded me of OT turtles and toys (the Flush-o-Matic).
The fight between the brothers was good to see (FINALLY glad to see Donnie tell Leo to back the heck off about "trying harder"), it is inevitable that all this stress would lead to some in-fighting eventually. Splinter's wheel (OMG) and Mikey playing cards with Ice Cream Kitty were fantastic. And I was super happy to see Mr. Murakami again, even though technically it wasn't *really* him.

It was REALLY NICE to see them maybe FINALLY making some progress on de-brain-worming Karai (although, I did kind of wonder why, if Rockwell was able to psychically pull the brainworm out of Slash, why couldn't they just call him over to help with Karai's brainworm? Oh well).

Loved that all the henchmutants got some time to shine, and the fight scene between them all was great fun. Rocksteady running through walls made me happy, Bebop being a cocky smart-alec and getting his butt kicked despite it made me laugh, and seeing Xever floating upside down gave me the creeps.

I just really, REALLY hope the show does right by Karai from here on out. She's been really mistreated in my opinion, and I hope they can do something intelligent with her after this whole mutation/mind control arc that has gone on for way too long, in my opinion.

Overall, highly enjoyable to me!

[Haalix]

I think there was Foreshadowing in this episode.

This is the 2nd time Mikey nearly get's double mutated (1st time being Attack of the Mega Shredder) and he's imagining what he looks like with a 2nd mutation. Also he said If I was an evil villian when he wanted to give the Flush o Matic a better name.

So I think maybe Mikey could be double mutated in the future (2nd half of season 4 or season 5).

Not to mention he was almost demutated in The pig and The Rhino.

Though I dont think theyll mutate him again, just something bad happening to him. (And hopefully it´ll involve Raph, they both deserve more screentime)

[GoldenFlither]

Just to input a little child perspective (I'm not sure how many people here have children, young cousins, nieces, nephews, etc.):

This and 'Dream Beavers' were the only ones to scare my kids thus far, and while 'Dream Beavers' was easy as it was all just bad dreams, this one admittedly I thought was a bit much. They seemed okay at first, but we just finished dinner and my son outright blurted out that he didn't like this one. His words: "I thought they were going to die."

Of course my charming husband started playing this music as we were washing dishes, bless his deranged soul.

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But on the plus side, I am very happy Karai is back. And I think that's why they weren't really complaining at first, we were all relieved to see her "spit out the yucky worm sucker" (daughter's words). Looking forward to seeing Karai come back now.

[Ceres]

Karai seems to have watched too much Saw Movies i guess lol. Nice episode.

[victory_angel]

Yeah it was and I assume Donnie getting electricuted was from 2K3 episode (Alien Invasion episodes) when Donnie got captured by the Triceratons and they put that thing on his head to get info out and he got electricuted.

Donnie's often electrocuted in Fanfics, and there were also a couple of moments where he was electrocuted in season 1.

With the Triceraton thing in the 2k3 it was implied that the probe helmet would painfully scan the brain of it's for any info on the Fugatoid, and once scan was complete it would microwave the brain killing them instantly.




A little bit, she captures them and puts them in little rooms to torture them.

This oddly enough is the same premise of a fanfic I started writing a couple months ago. It my fic all the turtles are captured and put in separate cells and there is only a one way audio feed between cells.

So Leo can only hear Donnie,
Mikey can only hear Leo
Raph can only hear Mikey
and Donnie can only hear Raph.

In the fic Shredder and Karai were intending to torture Leo by having him know his brothers are suffering and being unable to truly know what is happening to his bros and worse being unable to do anything about it.


So, it's Karai. Yay, she's free! Good to get more sewer buddies for the Turtles. One more plot down!

She's free of the initial mind worm...but something tells me she isn't as free as we would like to hope. After all we had that one moment in Attack of the Mega Shredder when Shredder is having those additional mind worms plugged into her brain. So she obviously will see the Mind Worm as reason to hate Shredder, but she will also still see the Turtles and Splinter as the Enemy as well.

[IndigoErth]

o.O Wow, rather harsh one and pretty good episode. Liked seeing Splinter get involved, esp after recent discussion of him staying out of things too often. And finally the stress reaches everyone's breaking point and a good old fashioned big sibling fight ensues.

The wheel... :lol: Surprised he would not find himself too dignified... (Was that taken from one of the big enclosures in Baxter's lab? I'm sure a human-sized wheel isn't easy to come by. lol)

Only thing odd to me was not seeing Shredder around at least quietly watching over everything after having been one to subject Karai to the brain worm for his own use in the first place.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

All I'm saying is, Raph better do something incredible to save Leo's sorry shell in the finale, or this would be the worst I've seen Raph handled in any incarnation yet. And I'm not even a huge Raph fan, to begin with.


It's why I stopped watching a LONG Time ago. I only come on here once in a while to chat with folks, but the show itself? If you're a Raph fan...all you can look forward to is him talking to more Pigeons as if he's the woman in Home Alone 2: Lost in New York.

I remember Mikey saved Raph in the Punk Frogs episode, him being turned into a flower, and him being turned into a slave for Shredder for like 2 minutes and then Leo saved him by 'making fun of him' (saw bits of that on youtube, just for the 'car crash' type of curiosity)...

So I am not surprised at all to read what you typed. And hey, this isn't a slight to anyone who enjoys the show. Just adds more fuel to the fire as to why I did stop watching it long ago. The guy's just a big, useless Puss in this incarnation. Just MY opinion.

[Cure]

It's really fascinating to me how people can swear off the show and still hang out and post in the section dedicated to said show. Criticisms are one thing, but this is a whole other level.

I liked this episode because the Karai plot move forward A BIT, even though I wish she wasn't "lost" again. Otherwise not bad, not great.

[Vicky82]

Donnie's often electrocuted in Fanfics, and there were also a couple of moments where he was electrocuted in season 1.

With the Triceraton thing in the 2k3 it was implied that the probe helmet would painfully scan the brain of it's for any info on the Fugatoid, and once scan was complete it would microwave the brain killing them instantly.

This oddly enough is the same premise of a fanfic I started writing a couple months ago. It my fic all the turtles are captured and put in separate cells and there is only a one way audio feed between cells.

So Leo can only hear Donnie,
Mikey can only hear Leo
Raph can only hear Mikey
and Donnie can only hear Raph.

In the fic Shredder and Karai were intending to torture Leo by having him know his brothers are suffering and being unable to truly know what is happening to his bros and worse being unable to do anything about it.



I've been reading that story :D

My favourite fanfics at the moment is Hurt but not Broken and Protect Whats Hurt, so many feels.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

It's really fascinating to me how people can swear off the show and still hang out and post in the section dedicated to said show.

First off, Cure, I actually I haven't posted on here (here meaning Anywhere on the Turtles Forum) in months.

Second off, I wasn't talking to you. I was talking & agreeing with Aaronardo (but you had to butt in and throw that little 'snide' against me, even though I didn't do anything to you).

And third, like I said...I only come on here to chat with folks. When I do, then yes I take a quick view of the threads (general, movie, comics, etc.) to see what's up.

What Aaronardo typed struck me as 'ah yes, I'm reminded as to why I did give up on that show'. Which is the point of threads, to engage in conversation.

Is that alright with you, Boss Man? Oh, It is? Thank you, Sir.

[Cure]

Second off, I wasn't talking to you (but i know that little 'snide' was against me).

Of course it was, who else? Not exactly hiding it.


Is that alright with you, Boss Man? Oh, It is? Thank you, Sir.

Not what I would have said. Don't answer for me.

[Aaronardo]

It's really fascinating to me how people can swear off the show and still hang out and post in the section dedicated to said show. Criticisms are one thing, but this is a whole other level.

If this is directed towards me (the only criticism I remember reading on this thread), realize that I very much enjoy most other aspects of the show. I could go on and on about how I love this reimagining of the Shredder/Splinter plot, and how Leo's character arc is phenomenal. I even like this incarnation of Raph quite a bit, particularly in the first season. I just don't like how he's handled, particularly in Season 3. To me, it's one negative to an overall great episode, but I felt like I need to express my opinions on the character. No harm in that.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

If this is directed towards me (the only criticism I remember reading on this thread), realize that I very much enjoy most other aspects of the show. I could go on and on about how I love this reimagining of the Shredder/Splinter plot, and how Leo's character arc is phenomenal. I even like this incarnation of Raph quite a bit, particularly in the first season. I just don't like how he's handled, particularly in Season 3. To me, it's one negative to an overall great episode, but I felt like I need to express my opinions on the character. No harm in that.

No, he was talking to me. Apparently I can't just come on here after being away for months, look through the forums out of curiosity, see your post, and reply to you/agree with your thoughts. I guess that's Against The Law or something.

[Cure]

Super defensive. All I said was that it's "fascinating". Do you.

[Ninturtle]

It's why I stopped watching a LONG Time ago. I only come on here once in a while to chat with folks, but the show itself? If you're a Raph fan...all you can look forward to is him talking to more Pigeons as if he's the woman in Home Alone 2: Lost in New York.

I remember Mikey saved Raph in the Punk Frogs episode, him being turned into a flower, and him being turned into a slave for Shredder for like 2 minutes and then Leo saved him by 'making fun of him' (saw bits of that on youtube, just for the 'car crash' type of curiosity)...

So I am not surprised at all to read what you typed. And hey, this isn't a slight to anyone who enjoys the show. Just adds more fuel to the fire as to why I did stop watching it long ago. The guy's just a big, useless Puss in this incarnation. Just MY opinion.

In pretty much every example you stated other turtles needed to be saved too. Raph isn't useless and a puss he's just under used.. But if you want to dislike this version of Raph than that's fine , I can't nor do I want to force you to conform to my opinion.

[CyberCubed]

These episode review threads have gotten very embarrassing to read. Can't you guys just review the episode instead of bickering?

[IndigoErth]

These episode review threads have gotten very embarrassing to read. Can't you guys just review the episode instead of bickering?
With an opinionated species like ours? Good luck.

[Autbot_Benz]

These episode review threads have gotten very embarrassing to read. Can't you guys just review the episode instead of bickering?

Sounds like a Certain Movie section on the forums. Its just annoying when the butthurt "Raph fans" come here and whine every other episode.

[Vicky82]

Sounds like a Certain Movie section on the forums. Its just annoying when the butthurt "Raph fans" come here and whine every other episode.

Yeah and some of them haven't even seen the episode and go by other people's opinions.

[Ursalink]

Well, for what I read about the season's finale, I knew Karai had to appear in another episode. It's really sad what she did to her real family, but at least she's now free. I suspected the "healing technique" would be the key for it, considering it debuted the same episode that Karai was brainwashed. Too bad she won't be present in anymore episodes of this season. At least, now she's free from the mind control and she has her mutation under control too.

I wish for her to return in the next season, when the turtles are back from their space adventure.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Yeah and some of them haven't even seen the episode and go by other people's opinions.

Then please, feel free to enlighten me (at least about Raph in this season) in a personal message. That's not an attack on you, I'm actually curious.

And let me just say to all...I just said One Damn Thing and then EVERYBODY and their buddies wants to come out of the woodwork, for crying out loud. I just stated ONE OPINION in a reply/answer to a guy aka Aaronardo (and I was engaging in conversation with him).

If people want to talk about 'butthurt', you guys should look in the Mirror.

This is EXACTLY why I've been away for months.

[BubblyShell22]

Awesome episode. Reminded me of the Pretty Little Liars episode "Welcome to the Dollhouse" and incidentally a fan fic I'm currently writing that's an homage of said PLL episode.

Anyway, it was great. Loved the arguing between Leo and Donnie as Donnie is under a lot of pressure to rescue Karai and is frustrated. I understand Leo's concerns, but he shouldn't have snapped at Donnie like that. Loved how he came to the conclusion that the Healing Hands would work on Karai. I loved all of the traps and how Mikey imagined himself as a female Turtle. I see that as both a nod to Venus and that the crew might have been reading a few female TMNT fan fics which are prevalent in the fandom.

Also liked all of the baddies getting in on this one and the OT reference with Mikey's trap. ICK playing cards with Mikey was cute, too. I do like how Splinter really shone in this one and how he did save Karai with the healing hands. She may still be able to shift into her snake form, but at least she's not controlled by Shredder anymore unless that helmet did something to keep her under his control.

As for why the Healing Hands didn't help Donnie, Splinter probably figured he wouldn't be able to get Donnie to stay still long enough to perform it on him, so that's why he didn't even bother. With this one, he was able to do it because he fought his daughter though he was reluctant to. My heart fell when he cried out for her as she got sucked in the drain. And I did like how he said he had four wonderful sons meaning that he feels that though he doesn't have his daughter, he still has four sons to think about. And I loved what Leo said about not giving up hope. I have a feeling things will work out with Karai soon. Overall a good episode. Bring on the next one.

[Meliwen]

Master Splinter says they need to work as a team, but then what ends up happening is Leo saves Raph and Mikey...and Mikey saves Donnie.
it would have been nice to see the traps relate to each other in some way.

But overall it was still good for what it was.

Yeah, with Splinter saying in the beginning how a team must think as one, I was sorta expecting all four turtles to be involved in the breakout. Breaking free of the traps didn't seem to be the main point of the episode, so no biggie if that got less attention that I thought it would, especially if it means we get somewhere with Karai's plotline.

ICK was great. I loved the argument in the beginning and how Donnie was really feeling the stress. And I'm glad it was Splinter who was the one to free Karai from the brain worm, as opposed to Donnie or Leo.

[kelligrafie]

I really enjoyed this episode. Quite possibly my favourite episode in this half of the series.

[Luckyday]

She's free of the initial mind worm...but something tells me she isn't as free as we would like to hope. After all we had that one moment in Attack of the Mega Shredder when Shredder is having those additional mind worms plugged into her brain. So she obviously will see the Mind Worm as reason to hate Shredder, but she will also still see the Turtles and Splinter as the Enemy as well.

You know there was a concept art of Karai in her snake appearance that had the word "Kiba" on it. Maybe in order to intercept those remaining brain worms, she takes up a new persona. One that is not associated by her tragic past (Miwa) or by Shredder (Karai) but one that stands as of her own person.

I just really want that character arc of her trying to adjust her new life with the turtles and Splinter. Especially Splinter, since that relationship would probably be the most strain out of them all with having such stark opposite outlooks on life thus symbolizing the uneasiness of their relationship with her being a snake and him a rat.

Probably just me though.

[Werecat]

I don't think anyone would be whining about this if Raph hadn't been chucked to the side by Leo saving him again and again this past season. Even the first episode of the season has Leo saving Raph. It's like a seasonal arc and it's f*cking annoying, particularly for Raph fans. Would've had good payoff if they did the Dark Raph arc that we were wrongfully told, but, eh.
All I'm saying is, Raph better do something incredible to save Leo's sorry shell in the finale, or this would be the worst I've seen Raph handled in any incarnation yet. And I'm not even a huge Raph fan, to begin with.

I agree, how they handle Raph is annoying cause they make him so weak and useless. The problem is that Nick is still poorly handling Raph's character. You think they would take criticism and make Raph's character better but not. Instead we get "Mikey is better and Donny is better as well...who is Raph again?"

I bet you that free brain worm is going to target Leo too and its gonna be a "all-about Leo" season finale. I am so tired of Leo, I liked him when he was humble and had weaknesses but now it seems the whole world breaks laws and physics to make Leo superior again.

[kelligrafie]

ANYWAY.

Anyone else notice that the wires in Donnie's helmet were the turtles' mask colours?

Red, orange, blue and purple. That colour combination always makes me smile.

And, as a Raph fan, I liked this episode and I liked Raph in it.

[Luckyday]

ANYWAY.

Anyone else notice that the wires in Donnie's helmet were the turtles' mask colours?

Red, orange, blue and purple. That colour combination always makes me smile.

And, as a Raph fan, I liked this episode and I liked Raph in it.

It seem that this episode was written by Mark Henry. The guy who wrote "Buried Secrets", and "Battle for New York, part 2" . The guy has a talent for writing scary episodes.

[Werecat]

It seem that this episode was written by Mark Henry. The guy who wrote "Buried Secrets", and "Battle for New York, part 2" . The guy has a talent for writing scary episodes.

he also likes to write Raph's character poorly. lol

[IndigoErth]

The guy has a talent for writing scary episodes.
he also likes to write Raph's character poorly. lol

In that case, put him on the job of exploring the potentially scarier side of Raph's psyche.

[Groverman62]

In these three episodes that the guy wrote how did Raph come across poorly?

[Luckyday]

In that case, put him on the job of exploring the potentially scarier side of Raph's psyche.

LOL. Didn't we just hear how some kids were scared by this episodes and Buried Secrets?

But I would love to see this guy and Todd Casey write more episodes, although I want to see another Todd Casey's episode to be sure "The Noxious Avenger" wasn't a fluke.

[GoldMutant]

In these three episodes that the guy wrote how did Raph come across poorly?

Probably everyone just wants Raph more time in the sun. I don't think Raph was poor in any of those episodes at all, just his torture scene here would be my main gripe. Subjective I guess.

Anyways, barring Raph's torture scene... :o This was an amazing episode, tons of foreshadowing. Finally, more Splinter focus, the end of the mind control for now (though I wish it were better handled and would have loved NYC controlled), it really was a great episode on the first viewing. One of the best of season 3 by far.

[ToTheNines]

Awesome episode, top five of the season for sure. Easter eggs and references were on point. Me and the girl friend got huge laughs from Splinters wheel, the card game, Mike's female form and more.

Splinter kicked ass and it was cool seeing him fight Bebop and Rocksteady. That normally happens once in each version.


I liked this episode because the Karai plot move forward A BIT, even though I wish she wasn't "lost" again. Otherwise not bad, not great.

Yeah, I'm just worried she's gonna be outta the picture for a while. Especially considering the outer space focus of season 4.

[xenopokemon]

Yeah, I'm just worried she's gonna be outta the picture for a while. Especially considering the outer space focus of season 4.

Are they going to jump straight into space? I think the next 3 episodes will prelude into it but I'm not sure.

[GoldMutant]

I'm wondering on the video game reference in Don's torture area. Was it supposed to be Tetris or something else? It's familiar somehow.

[IndigoErth]

Likewise was thinking Tetris with those colored blocks, but it looks like it played more like the typical "match three (or more) in a row" games.

[Luckyday]

Yeah, I'm just worried she's gonna be outta the picture for a while. Especially considering the outer space focus of season 4.

Well we been in this scenario before with the Second Invasion then going onwards to North Hampton without any clue on what's happening to Karai. It most indefinitely that we're not see or hear anything about Karai until maybe season finale or little bit earlier before like last time.

Question is what they going do after they get back from their space adventures? Post pone it some more? Give her amnesia and turn her into chaotic neutral?

[Aska_Badoura]

I couldn't resist.
Wow. Here is some nostalgia. Never liked that promo pic though. Her smile is definitely more of a grimace. And it's so... cheesecakey. :ohwell:
Appropriate in this context, however, LOL. Silly Nick is silly. And clever.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/Zakiyah/TMNT%20misc/temp.png http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/Zakiyah/TMNT%20misc/venus39.jpg

Edit: Ah, the giant rat wheel. A treadmill would be more practical, but much less funny. :P

[NoName999]

It was great seeing the turtles all stressed over saving Karai...but i didn't like how master splinter seemed so quick to let her go by saying "it's okay, at least i have you 4 boys"

Considering he fret about Karai for the entire season, Splinter doesn't come off as fickle.

And even then, it's bad enough to lose child. Imagine the emotional turmoil would have been like if he lost ALL 5 of his children.

I'm wondering on the video game reference in Don's torture area. Was it supposed to be Tetris or something else? It's familiar somehow.

Columns. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/Columns) It has to be Columns

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[Metalwolf]

I'm wondering, why does Splinter have a giant hamster wheel when before he was seemingly missing his humanity? Does he not care about being human anymore?

[IndigoErth]

I couldn't resist.
Wow. Here is some nostalgia. Never liked that promo pic though. Her smile is definitely more of a grimace. And it's so... cheesecakey. :ohwell:
Appropriate in this context, however, LOL. Silly Nick is silly. And clever.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/Zakiyah/TMNT%20misc/temp.png http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/Zakiyah/TMNT%20misc/venus39.jpg

I knew that pose seemed familiar... lol

[Luckyday]

I'm wondering, why does Splinter have a giant hamster wheel when before he was seemingly missing his humanity? Does he not care about being human anymore?

We're talking about a guy who has a cheese phone and eats frozen cheese as a treat.

Probably everyone just wants Raph more time in the sun. I don't think Raph was poor in any of those episodes at all, just his torture scene here would be my main gripe. Subjective I guess.

Anyways, barring Raph's torture scene... :o This was an amazing episode, tons of foreshadowing. Finally, more Splinter focus, the end of the mind control for now (though I wish it were better handled and would have loved NYC controlled), it really was a great episode on the first viewing. One of the best of season 3 by far.

I was only really bother by how Mikey bypass Donnie's torture device. Yeah, I know he play games like that all the time, but the way it was done when he touch it and then he magical appeared in the game. It was like how he distrust April's mom right away because "ninja sense".

[Papenbrook]

Honestly, I am really worried. What if the show starts to flanderize Splinter? Before season two, Splinter never showed stereotypical rat traits at all. After season two, however, it started to show...forcefully. It seems like the writers are doing this to both lighten the show and meet Nickelodeon's standards of what is deemed acceptable for entertainment. Again, I am worried.

[Luckyday]

Honestly, I am really worried. What if the show starts to flanderize Splinter? Before season two, Splinter never showed stereotypical rat traits at all. After season two, however, it started to show...forcefully. It seems like the writers are doing this to both lighten the show and meet Nickelodeon's standards of what is deemed acceptable for entertainment. Again, I am worried.

Well maybe that's him poking fun at himself. Remember how he joke that he likes a good maze?

Comedy is the best way through tragedy...I guess?

[Ninturtle]

Honestly, I am really worried. What if the show starts to flanderize Splinter? Before season two, Splinter never showed stereotypical rat traits at all. After season two, however, it started to show...forcefully. It seems like the writers are doing this to both lighten the show and meet Nickelodeon's standards of what is deemed acceptable for entertainment. Again, I am worried.

There's like one short scene where he's using that wheel compared to countless other scenes where his human traits are present, I wouldn't be worried.

[Powder]

Honestly, I am really worried. What if the show starts to flanderize Splinter? Before season two, Splinter never showed stereotypical rat traits at all. After season two, however, it started to show...forcefully. It seems like the writers are doing this to both lighten the show and meet Nickelodeon's standards of what is deemed acceptable for entertainment. Again, I am worried.

Are you also worried about the sky falling?

[oldmanwinters]

http://images.wikia.com/tmnt/images/a/ab/Venuslying.jpg

Ha, I wondered if that was a direct Venus De Milo reference. The pose is spot on!

Honestly, I am really worried. What if the show starts to flanderize Splinter? Before season two, Splinter never showed stereotypical rat traits at all. After season two, however, it started to show...forcefully. It seems like the writers are doing this to both lighten the show and meet Nickelodeon's standards of what is deemed acceptable for entertainment. Again, I am worried.

Oh, I find it funny to see how Splinter is doing all the rodent things with a dignified straight face. From an in-universe sense, I suppose it would make a little sense since he spent a few months in a feral mentality before the Return to New York episode.

[MikeandRaph87]

Not sure why people are not crazy about this episode. It actually accomplished something. It was like Baxter's gambit, but designed to pray on the turtles' individual strengths. It also proves my personal compliant of having too many henchmen with Bebop, Rocksteady, Razhar/Dogpound, Fishface, Tiger Claw, and Baxter who is off-screen not to mention Karai's off and on association. Four henchmen for four turtles is all that is needed. Hope to get a solid wrap up to the season.

[Metalwolf]

We're talking about a guy who has a cheese phone and eats frozen cheese as a treat.
Maybe. But it's kinda jarring actually, in that it's coming off as heavily cartoonish from a guy who is supposed to be mostly serious. I can believe him mourning his humanity. I can believe him acting like a rat when he went crazy or the Rat King has heavy control of his mind. They both fit together. But when he's missing being human, missing his daughter, we see him with Tang Shen and his baby daughter in the time travel episode, and then we see him acting like a cartoon rat with a cheese phone, giant hamster wheel, eating frozen cheese, I can't take his character seriously anymore. Plus it kind of validates Shredder's scorn whenever he comments on Splinter being nothing but a rat anymore, it is supposed to be a degrading and dehumanizing insult, not something that gets validated and confirmed instead.


Honestly, I am really worried. What if the show starts to flanderize Splinter? Before season two, Splinter never showed stereotypical rat traits at all. After season two, however, it started to show...forcefully. It seems like the writers are doing this to both lighten the show and meet Nickelodeon's standards of what is deemed acceptable for entertainment. Again, I am worried.You're not the only one. It's part of the reason i have been slowly giving up on this show, it's because they've been slowly making the mutant characters act like cartoonish animals instead of people trapped in mutated bodies. It's why I always thought the Rat King episodes and Crazy!Splinter packed a powerful deep punch, it showed him being influenced by his mutation but not in a cartoonish way. And it's the same with the rest. When you see mutated people struggling to keep what's left of their humanity, it's pretty deep. From Bradford not wanting to be called 'dog' to Baxter crying as he watches the mutagen drip down his body, and then seeing the show treat Anton and Ivan's impending mutation almost as if it was an execution, gosh is all of that thought provoking. Not so when they act like cartoon animals and it contradicts the serious way they were portrayed prior. And you are right, the cartoonishness is forceful. It doesn't fit, at least not with this Splinter. Maybe if he had been an ordinary rat before mutation and the show didn't have as many serious elements like it does, it could work. Instead the goofiness is creepy instead of funny, and jarring because it's not him joking around or poking fun at himself, but him acting like a cartoon rat in a 100% 'serious' manner.

[Powder]

I think the animal callbacks are perfectly in the spirit of TMNT despite being unique to this universe. For me, it feels right, & I think it's a great/harmless way to get laughs & lighten things up in order to skirt by with the dark material.

[CyberCubed]

Are people seriously complaining about the hamster wheel? For god sakes its a JOKE. Its a humor gag like the cheese phone. And people are complaining about Splinter being "flanderized?" WTF?

Some of you have become a parody of yourself. Enjoy the damn show and its "sight gags" and stop taking everything so seriously. For god sakes.

[Wildcat]

I enjoyed this episode but it furthered my previous complaint that so many storylines are directly based on something else...here being the SAW movies. Which would have fit better with Baxter Stockman.

I too thought the giant wheel was ridiculous. In a bad way. It was funny but for the wrong reason. It's like NOW they wanna stick in this gag? The cheese phone wasn't even clever. Just a phone. No pun or funny shape.

It was cool seeing that toilet thing from the old toy line. Which was actually always pretty gross cause like you know...ooze is probably not the first thing Shredder or the mutants would wanna do to the turtles trapped under a toilet.

[Luckyday]

Maybe. But it's kinda jarring actually, in that it's coming off as heavily cartoonish from a guy who is supposed to be mostly serious. I can believe him mourning his humanity. I can believe him acting like a rat when he went crazy or the Rat King has heavy control of his mind. They both fit together. But when he's missing being human, missing his daughter, we see him with Tang Shen and his baby daughter in the time travel episode, and then we see him acting like a cartoon rat with a cheese phone, giant hamster wheel, eating frozen cheese, I can't take his character seriously anymore. Plus it kind of validates Shredder's scorn whenever he comments on Splinter being nothing but a rat anymore, it is supposed to be a degrading and dehumanizing insult, not something that gets validated and confirmed instead.


It's getting harder to take Shredder seriously. If taking away the voice actor, he's a one dimensional saturday morning cartoon villain. His motivation to kill Splinter is paper thin and grossly delusional to a point of insanity. He's idea of running a organization is to growl orders and beat his henchmen up until something works rather then him coming with a plan to do them. He's more a intimidating enforcer then a ruler that runs a tight ship. Sure he wants things but he'll knows jack **** on how to keep them in line.

He's like a toddler that whines of wanting a puppy and then gets bored with after a month.

[oldmanwinters]

It's getting harder to take Shredder seriously. If taking away the voice actor, he's a one dimensional saturday morning cartoon villain. His motivation to kill Splinter is paper thin and grossly delusional to a point of insanity. He's idea of running a organization is to growl orders and beat his henchmen up until something works rather then him coming with a plan to do them. He's more a intimidating enforcer then a ruler that runs a tight ship. Sure he wants things but he'll knows jack **** on how to keep them in line.

He's like a toddler that whines of wanting a puppy and then gets bored with after a month.

In my opinion, Shredder hasn't had a multi-dimensional personality since the Fred Wolf series. Sure, he was the quintessential Saturday morning cartoon villain there too, but at least he enjoyed some of life's little pleasures like porcelain collecting and chillaxing in fine hotel suites on somebody else's expense.

[IndigoErth]

but at least he enjoyed some of life's little pleasures like porcelain collecting and chillaxing in fine hotel suites on somebody else's expense.
Which is a shame for this one, because isn't he sort of some rich guy or was? When we first saw him in this series he looked like he's sitting in some expensive highrise office and was like, "Ready my jet, I'm going to NYC."

He could have rubbed that in Splinter's face by living it up while in NYC, while Splinter is stuck in the sewers, and having more than one bad guy thing going for him.

[JH24]

It was an interesting episode with some nice developments. Of course Healing Hands had to be the solution again but I guess it was okay. I would have preferred Donnie finding a solution though.

It was nice seeing Splinter in action again. The episode was alright, but not one of my favorites.

One thing I found somewhat disturbing is that Karai seriously has a cruel streak inside of her. Something she showed earlier at times in the series. Those traps were pure torture and she enjoyed every moment of it. I don't think the brain worm can be blamed for that part of her behavior.

I mean, if you want to lure Splinter to your hideout, tying and/or locking the turtles up would have been convincing enough for Splinter to fight her, but she had to go that extra mile.

[ssjup81]

Well, I'm out sick today, so I was able to watch the episode. All I can say is wow! I really really liked it! Loved the villains for this one, especially Xever kissing up to Karai and Bradford calling him out on it and Bebop and Rocksteady talking about the name of Mikey's trap. lol

I truly enjoyed the beginning, seeing how stressed out Donnie was and how he finally kind of snapped when Leo was telling him to try harder. Kinda reminded md of the OT episode Donatelo's Duplicate when he created a duplicate of himself because he'd gotten tired of the othe three always wanting or needing him to do or fix something. I like how all four were arguing. You could really feel how upset they all were, imo. Find it interesting how their feelings are...

Leo: We can't give up!
Donnie: In the middle. Don't want to give up, but knows it's not out of the realm of possibility of thigns turning out that way.
Raph: Feels it's a lost cause.
Mikey: Same as Leo.

Just found that interesting. The way Karai tricked them all was nice too, but I still wish that the key to getting out of all four traps would've been more connected...but given both Mikey and Donnie's traps, I just couldn't see it being that way.

Oh speaking of traps....Mikey's. I dunno....I think that's some foreshadowing there. Once agasin, double mutation was mentioned. Mikey's the first of them to witness a double mutation and this is the second time he's been almost double mutated. That can't be a coincidence. Oh, also thought it was funny how Mikey was worried about becoming Venus. lol I also wonder if his, "If I were an evil villain" line is going to mean something later on too...

Mikey removing Donnie's helmet was funny. He said he's been playing a ton of puzzle games on his T-phone (very very interesting)....but hat really wasn't much of a puzzle to solve. He just withstood the electricity.

As for Splinter (found it hilarious that he was swalking in that wheel...very strange) and Karai....very nice fight and I'm glad the brainworm is gone, but...I have this feeling that Splinter's healing hands didn't actually cause her to spit outthe worm if Raph and Rockwell are any indication. Leo had to get to Raph emotionally just as Donnie did with Rockwell. Splinter told Karai, "I love you"...so I think that played more of a part than the healing hands thing.

Now that the worm is gone, though, I'm looking forward to Karai getting back at Shredder. You know, they should probably mention some kind of long-term effect from having worms in the brain. lol

[ToTheNines]

Some of you have become a parody of yourself.

I can't even....

[darthwahl56]

At least now we'll get a cool Karai reunion episode, which I'm excited for.

And the episode was pretty badass. Mikey's mutagen machine was straight from an 87 episode, right?

It was called the flushomatic and it was also a toy. Sounds like something from Rocko's Modern Life. Here are 3 pictures and a youtube post for the original toy commercial.

http://mutantooze.org/wiki/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/flush.jpg

https://hjaelte.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/img_3097.jpg?w=540&h=720

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a56/slimer2erasmus/TMNT%20vehicles%20and%20toys/flushomat.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YquR3BNa1U

In my opinion, Shredder hasn't had a multi-dimensional personality since the Fred Wolf series. Sure, he was the quintessential Saturday morning cartoon villain there too, but at least he enjoyed some of life's little pleasures like porcelain collecting and chillaxing in fine hotel suites on somebody else's expense.

Yep, I agree with everything here. James Avery played the most enjoyable version of Shredder.

[ssjup81]

I actually remember that toy. I never had turtle toys as a kid, but I do recall that one vaguely.

[VaughnMichael]

I liked this one and can say honestly it's one of the few I think I'd enjoy watching again.
I loved the humor in this one and the Flush-O-Matic was a nice touch.
I'm glad Karai finally has that stupid brain worm out of her.
I hope she comes to her senses and realizes who's who and what's what.
Did we get to see what happened to Mr. Murakami?
We had been shown that the others had been holograms but I can't recall if he was shown again or if they used a brain worm on him or what was going on there.
Also I believe Splinter took Fishfaces breathing apparatus, so I have to wonder what happened to him as well.
I really loved Ice Cream Kitty in this episode and even the silly dialog.
Like I said to Brandon on face book I really am hoping for Mikey to get a second stage mutation as we've seen the other 3 brothers be the focus of it in other incarnations of the TMNT.
Last but not least I have to wonder what Shredder & Baxter had been up to the entire time the other bad guys set this all up.
He's going to be super ticket when he finds out what happened to Karai.
I can't even....
ahahahahahaha :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Groverman62]

Purple Kraken and Metalwolf you guys are taking this too seriously. The wheel the cheese phone and the sickle are all just jokes. Not only that but Splinter still has his humanity, didnt you see how sad he was when Karai fell down the drain. Feeling that she may be gone for good?

And Wolf how long how youve been slowly giving up on the show?

[DarkLightDragon]

Some people here are dissapointed the 'unknown' enemy turned out to be Karai, but I was more dissapointed that the healing mantra was what cured her afterall. Really makes the previous two episodes a waste of this one plot-point of getting a brain worm if this episode is just going to open with "Oh gee, not even close to getting it right, too bad, she's a goner now." Really? After all that the writers just decided with "Nah, that'd be too convenient, so let's go with something that was already convenient!" *facepalm*

While seeing her upchuck that brain worm was satisfying in that she's now a free agent again, it's also annoying she's yet again conveniently separated from both parties for the time being so she'll be yet again be someone/something for the good and bad guys to fight over. Though Splinter tips off they may not see her again, so maybe they won't be as keen in finding like before.

But other than those two things, it was a good episode. I certainly didn't blame Donnie for snapping back at Leo when he should know as well as Don he is trying his best, but Leo is still just so obsessed with Karai to know he was being way too pushy with him in that instance.

[TurFlytle]

GRRRRRR!!! THOSE FREAKS!!!! I WILL PUNISH ALL OF MY HENCHMEN FOR THEIR FAILURE!! ENOUGH!! THOSE IDIOTS!!!

Good episode but if Splinter wasnt there then the tutrtles would had been defeated. It shows that my henchmen when they are fighting together as a team they can defeat evry enemy

WHY ARE YOU USING CAPS LOCKS AND EXCLAMATION POINTS?!!! IT IS REALLY ANNOYING!!! Also, I'll make you forget that you're RPing as Shredder. *uses Men In Black mind eraser*

[ssjup81]

Some people here are dissapointed the 'unknown' enemy turned out to be Karai, but I was more dissapointed that the healing mantra was what cured her afterall. Really makes the previous two episodes a waste of this one plot-point of getting a brain worm if this episode is just going to open with "Oh gee, not even close to getting it right, too bad, she's a goner now." Really? After all that the writers just decided with "Nah, that'd be too convenient, so let's go with something that was already convenient!" *facepalm*

While seeing her upchuck that brain worm was satisfying in that she's now a free agent again, it's also annoying she's yet again conveniently separated from both parties for the time being so she'll be yet again be someone/something for the good and bad guys to fight over. Though Splinter tips off they may not see her again, so maybe they won't be as keen in finding like before.

But other than those two things, it was a good episode. I certainly didn't blame Donnie for snapping back at Leo when he should know as well as Don he is trying his best, but Leo is still just so obsessed with Karai to know he was being way too pushy with him in that instance.Hm, I personally feel that Splinter's "I love you" is what kinda helped her to ditch the worms, not necessarily the healing mantra. We saw how Leo and Donnie dealt with Raph and Rockwell...they played into their emotions by egging them on.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

I actually remember that toy. I never had turtle toys as a kid, but I do recall that one vaguely.

You mean you had the Flushomatic, or just saw a TV commercial?

I never liked the original Flushomatic, thinking it looked too much like the stupid Slimepit from Heman (Hordak trying to brainwash Heman worked, but having his body covered with slime when fighting Skeletor was just stupid!) but doing other things. But now it had been some years, so seeing the new one worked well.

Tigerclaw is badass as usual, my favourite part was him using jetpack equipment. One of the best episodes of this season!

[drgon78]

I liked the episode though once again they forgot April has psychic powers. Not once has her powers kicked in when Shredder, his henchmen, or Karai is around. I just wonder how they would react if they knew she did.

[Luckyday]

Hm, I personally feel that Splinter's "I love you" is what kinda helped her to ditch the worms, not necessarily the healing mantra. We saw how Leo and Donnie dealt with Raph and Rockwell...they played into their emotions by egging them on.

Hmm....I going to re-watch this again to see if this not another head canon excuse.

[Fang Wolf]

It's was great ep..

[ssjup81]

Hmm....I going to re-watch this again to see if this not another head canon excuse.Head canon excuse? This was just my interpretation of the scene.

[CyberCubed]

Some people here are dissapointed the 'unknown' enemy turned out to be Karai, but I was more dissapointed that the healing mantra was what cured her afterall. Really makes the previous two episodes a waste of this one plot-point of getting a brain worm if this episode is just going to open with "Oh gee, not even close to getting it right, too bad, she's a goner now." Really? After all that the writers just decided with "Nah, that'd be too convenient, so let's go with something that was already convenient!" *facepalm*

While seeing her upchuck that brain worm was satisfying in that she's now a free agent again, it's also annoying she's yet again conveniently separated from both parties for the time being so she'll be yet again be someone/something for the good and bad guys to fight over. Though Splinter tips off they may not see her again, so maybe they won't be as keen in finding like before.
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No, its fine. There's nothing sue-ish about Splinter's technique.

[kelligrafie]

People get disappointed because they see the previews and guess what happens, usually this is what they WANT to happen (which isn't the same as an outright prediction) and they convince themselves that this is what WILL happen.

Then when it doesn't play out that/their way, they claim they've been let down. This has been happening a lot recently.

Maybe, and I don't mean this rudely, but why don't people try avoiding episode descriptions and previews and you will probably enjoy the episodes a lot more when you go in 'blind'. That works for me. If you don't stake so much on the episode, you have less room to be 'disappointed'. :)

Re: hamster wheel, cheese phone. Splinter has stated before when Donnie swears to find him a retro mutagen, that he (Splinter) is now accepting of his form as a rat. This is also shown in the first or second season where he goes head-to-head with Shredder and utilises his 'rat skills' (agility?) within his combat.

Also, y'know, been said countless times. It is a kid's show. If you don't think that kids would find the wheel hilarious then either you had a miserable childhood or you've forgotten what it's like to be a kid.

[victory_angel]

Some people here are dissapointed the 'unknown' enemy turned out to be Karai, but I was more dissapointed that the healing mantra was what cured her afterall. Really makes the previous two episodes a waste of this one plot-point of getting a brain worm if this episode is just going to open with "Oh gee, not even close to getting it right, too bad, she's a goner now." Really? After all that the writers just decided with "Nah, that'd be too convenient, so let's go with something that was already convenient!" *facepalm*

While seeing her upchuck that brain worm was satisfying in that she's now a free agent again, it's also annoying she's yet again conveniently separated from both parties for the time being so she'll be yet again be someone/something for the good and bad guys to fight over. Though Splinter tips off they may not see her again, so maybe they won't be as keen in finding like before.

But other than those two things, it was a good episode. I certainly didn't blame Donnie for snapping back at Leo when he should know as well as Don he is trying his best, but Leo is still just so obsessed with Karai to know he was being way too pushy with him in that instance.

The part where Splinter was performing the healing mantra he said he didn't know if he had the ability to use it on her. And later when he was using it on her, he disparagingly says that he had intended to heal her, but the result hurt her instead.

And I feel it would be too convenient if Karai is completely cured of the worm and it's effects just like that. After all the Nick Show wouldn't have shown the Shredder plugging more brain worms into Karai's head unless there was a reason for it later.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-8zsJe7Y9bCk/VfcKnQ5cUKI/AAAAAAAACcc/oyUspZ8tX5k/s800-Ic42/Mind%252520worms.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Y4IdAqIu4Os/VfcKncOOgUI/AAAAAAAACcY/WdlefRzlVbs/s800-Ic42/mind%252520worms%2525202.jpg

Odds are yes she is no longer in the control of the Shredder after she puked up that first Brain Worm. But no I don't think she's an ally of the Turtles just yet.


I liked the episode though once again they forgot April has psychic powers. Not once has her powers kicked in when Shredder, his henchmen, or Karai is around. I just wonder how they would react if they knew she did.

April's powers are emotionally reactive. So while it was possible that April could use her powers to bring back suppressed memories like she did with Splinter. She herself didn't consider the possibility of doing so...and if she did there were too many Foot Hench Mutants around. She couldn't risk one of them informing the Shredder so he can make her into another Karai.

[kelligrafie]

When she barfed that worm up though. ERGH.

They won't show the worm going in, but they fully display it coming out. Lovely.

[victory_angel]

When she barfed that worm up though. ERGH.

They won't show the worm going in, but they fully display it coming out. Lovely.

Tarris Val also offered another plausibility, the Shredder wasn't plugging in more worms. But instead when Leo had used the healing hands technique on Karai in Deadly Venom had damaged the worm she had been injected with. Or at least loosened the Kraang worm's hold on her. So she wasn't injected with multiple worms, the original one was being replaced.

[tmntfanuk]

Okay, managed to see the ep now.

Can I say, yay! Because Karai was in it a lot.

But, sigh. I'm fed up with the trope they keep going over with her. And I mean, over and over and over. Please, can she just be on team good guys for more than five seconds? Can we see a few eps of family time?

I bet we wont see her until after the space arc now. This frustrates me. She has hardly been in season 3, and that sucks.

I want to see some development in the Spinter/Karai/Shreder arc.

She's one of my faves, can you tell? :D

[Werecat]

I wonder what would happen if the Brain Worm had a second mutation...perhaps we may see that. Or not. I wonder what it would be like if it did though.

[neatoman]

So if Karai could call Splinter, shouldn't she be able figure out where the lair is? Scratch that, she already knew where the lair was, there was no need for traps when she could just launch an attack on the lair? In fact, why hasn't she done so way earlier?

[tmntfanuk]

So if Karai could call Splinter, shouldn't she be able figure out where the lair is? Scratch that, she already knew where the lair was, there was no need for traps when she could just launch an attack on the lair? In fact, why hasn't she done so way earlier?

Because that would be too logical! :P

[Jo X]

Can someone explain this phrase please?

Karai (when knocking April down) said:

(09'21'')
If it isn't the little wannabe Kunoichi, always trying!

I don't quite get it...
Thank you in advance for your reply :)

[GoldMutant]

Can someone explain this phrase please?

Karai (when knocking April down) said:

(09'21'')
If it isn't the little wannabe Kunoichi, always trying!

I don't quite get it...
Thank you in advance for your reply :)

Easy answer bud. :)

April has been training to be a Kunoichi throughout the show, but compared to Karai, she's not as experienced despite trying to save the day again.

[victory_angel]

So if Karai could call Splinter, shouldn't she be able figure out where the lair is? Scratch that, she already knew where the lair was, there was no need for traps when she could just launch an attack on the lair? In fact, why hasn't she done so way earlier?


I surmise that the Mind Worm suppresses any memories of having the Turtles as her friends, which would block any memory of the lairs location as that would have been a memory where the Turtles were her friends. Also being a predator, it's all about the thrill of the hunt. Going into their lair and killing them all as they slept would be too easy. Instead she wants to enjoy hunting down each of the Turtles and their allies and watching them suffer as they die.

[groddofwar]

What if those worms mutate into wyrm?

[Jo X]

Easy answer bud. :)

April has been training to be a Kunoichi throughout the show, but compared to Karai, she's not as experienced despite trying to save the day again.

Thank you~!!!

[DarkLightDragon]

Oh how cute, people trying to correct me and say I'm wrong when I dare make a disapproving stance about a new episode. Especially Cubed.

When y'all are done making excuses for everything this show does especially when it does something wrong, I'll be offline once more.

And I'll be sure to not have the door hit me on the way out.:D

[kelligrafie]

I wonder what would happen if the Brain Worm had a second mutation...perhaps we may see that. Or not. I wonder what it would be like if it did though.

The Brain Worms look like some relative of the Kraagathathehrnan whatever they're called.

And mutagen is essentially the milk they produce to feed their young, so if they are related, I doubt Brain Worms could or would mutate. It would probably just be a form of nourishment for them.

I feel like this is sordid fan fiction material so I'll leave it there.

[GoldMutant]

I think by rewatching the episode I did have a few problems, barring it going into an extra episode. The following were in my mind:

1. Why not open with all the Turtles in a trap and go back and forth between flashback and the actual events leading up to Splinter saving the day? Spectacular Spider-Man did this before with the episode called Subtext, going between the origin of Molten Man and the current time with Spidey trying to save everyone from what MM did. I won't spoil it if anyone never saw the episode, just because it felt like Raph bashing again in this series. :ohwell:

2. I'm grateful that Splinter saved Karai, it's how I wanted to end this mind control arc to see father save daughter. Even with Karai controlled, why couldn't Splinter use emotion, like a hug or something similar to Raph and Mikey in the Invasion. Or, do something like the Dark Raph episode with freeing everyone barring Slash? The healing hands I'm happy for a payoff, but it feels a bit of a cop out yet again.

Probably just grasping to find flaws, but I still feel there's some mispotential in the episode.

[xenopokemon]

The Brain Worms look like some relative of the Kraagathathehrnan whatever they're called.

And mutagen is essentially the milk they produce to feed their young, so if they are related, I doubt Brain Worms could or would mutate. It would probably just be a form of nourishment for them.

I feel like this is sordid fan fiction material so I'll leave it there.

The Kraathatrogon are residents of Dimension X, everything in Dimension X is immune to mutagen if I remember correctly. The Mind Controlling Worms are products of Baxter Stockman, and in theory, could be mutated. They definitely are not too small, as we have seen squirrels and cockroaches being mutated. IF one were to mutate, I'm pretty sure it would become a giant sentient worm capable of large-scale mind control and being able to feed off the memories of its prey. And voiced by Morgan Freeman. :lol:

People get disappointed because they see the previews and guess what happens, usually this is what they WANT to happen (which isn't the same as an outright prediction) and they convince themselves that this is what WILL happen.

Then when it doesn't play out that/their way, they claim they've been let down. This has been happening a lot recently.

Maybe, and I don't mean this rudely, but why don't people try avoiding episode descriptions and previews and you will probably enjoy the episodes a lot more when you go in 'blind'. That works for me. If you don't stake so much on the episode, you have less room to be 'disappointed'. :)
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Well, sometimes we gotta have high hopes :). Besides, it said "The Turtles are battled by an unknown enemy." Then we see Karai and the Goon Squad, enemies we have seen multiple times. It should have been someone we haven't seen/talked about for a while. Please fans. Then again, it can be argued that the wrapping up of a story arc can also please fans. Either way, some fans gotta be pleased.

[THGhost]

This has to be my favourite episode of this season so far. The staging was perfect; reminded me a lot of the movie Cube.
Mikey playing with Ice Cream Kitty was so adorable ^_^
Yet again, the animation looks even better than before. I don't know how Nick keeps doing it. :tcool:

[DVD]

Gotta be honest and say this was the first episode of the three seasons that I do not care for.
There was the obvious Cube 'homage'. Waking up to a confused situation!! I preferred the 2K3 "wake up in a very nasty predicament" at the beginning of an episode (I won't spoil it in case you haven't seen it).
After that it was all just a little bit dull, lacking in anything of interest or even humour. Sorry, but this simply didn't work for me at all.

[Luckyday]

Gotta be honest and say this was the first episode of the three seasons that I do not care for.
There was the obvious Cube 'homage'. Waking up to a confused situation!! I preferred the 2K3 "wake up in a very nasty predicament" at the beginning of an episode (I won't spoil it in case you haven't seen it).
After that it was all just a little bit dull, lacking in anything of interest or even humour. Sorry, but this simply didn't work for me at all.

What are your thoughts on Tale of the Yokai?

[ssjup81]

Gotta be honest and say this was the first episode of the three seasons that I do not care for.
There was the obvious Cube 'homage'. Waking up to a confused situation!! I preferred the 2K3 "wake up in a very nasty predicament" at the beginning of an episode (I won't spoil it in case you haven't seen it).
After that it was all just a little bit dull, lacking in anything of interest or even humour. Sorry, but this simply didn't work for me at all.This is how I felt about the Yokai ep....

[Luckyday]

This is how I felt about the Yokai ep....

Same. Which only made me a little curious in asking in what ways did Tales of Yokai did right to him? :ohwell:

[VaughnMichael]

What if those worms mutate into wyrm?
I would love that!

[Bitsy83]

Once again, came in late after seeing ep.

Well, I guess my OC prediction didn't come true either, not that I was expecting it to, but at least I was right about the Saw refs and the villain being female. Though honestly my biggest fear was that this whole thing would've been a dream or hallucination. Like, when Donnie was trying to make the serum cure and it backfired that somehow the fumes from it would've caused one of them, maybe Splinter to go into a dream like state where he saw his sons in trouble and...yeah, you see where I'm going with this. Unless it's done really well, I hate those "just a dream/illusion" cop out endings.

I really like how we finally see Donnie snap at Leo about "having all the answers" and getting fed up with finding a solution. Vic Angel and I predicted that back in season 2, so it's nice to see it, even if it was just a small part of a bigger argument. It can't be easy for the smart guy to be expected to constantly have all the answers at the blink of an eye. I hope this gets addressed again in the future.

As for Karai....I have tried SO hard to keep a positive, open mind about her mutation. I really thought it was going to lead to Donnie being kidnapped and forced to cure her or that she would use her snake powers against Shredder, but they just keep stretching out her arc. I think Raph's right: Karai IS a lost cause at this point.

True, she got her human form back thanks to Stockman, but we saw how Shredder was like pumping mind worms into her and I have this feeling that she's going through a huge mental break down. Just because she got rid of the worm doesn't mean there weren't any lasting effects. Her whole life is one big mental and emotional roller coaster. I don't think the writers would go this way, but I seriously think Karai is going to go crazy now. She won't know what's real or what isn't; her snake instincts will be unpredictable and dangerous to be around; she might still have feelings for Shredder or is too obsessed with killing him to care about reuniting with her father and the Turtles. There's just too much baggage on her now to wrap it all up with a "Deus Ex Machina," even though the writers love using that.

Which brings me to yet another possible prediction of how they could wrap up the Karai arc. I'm gonna piss off a lot of people with this, but I'm certain it won't turn out this way and will probably end up with her being returned to normal and good blah blah blah.

So...we were introduced to Renet and the Time Masters earlier this season. This might actually play a part in later. Remember how Savanti Romero was able to create those time loops and stuff with the scepter? What if Shredder discovers the scepter as well and tries to use it to his advantage? Maybe he wants to go back and stop the Foot clan from being destroyed or figures a way to stop time so he can alter it to his will? Well, the Turtles try to stop him while Karai is still going all coo-coo crazy and attacking Shredder. Maybe during this big hullabaloo, the scepter gets fractured and starts to fire time blasts at random. At one point, the blast hits Karai and she starts to rapidly age backwards. When it stops, she's gone back to being an infant.

Before I go on, she wouldn't be a snake infant. What the scepter will do would be to lock her in a time bubble and rewind all the physical changes her body went through all her life. It'd be like watching a butterfly turn back into a caterpillar.

The Turtles and Renet manage to stop the Scepter and cease it's firing and Shredder gets away (or dies, I dunno). Leo begs Renet to turn Karai back, but Renet says that she can't age Karai again because it'd be too dangerous for a person to go through an aging process twice (or something like that). Leo is devastated because he feels he once again failed Karai and Splinter until Donnie points out that this might be a good thing.

Karai was taken away from her father at such a young age. She live her entire life believing that Shredder was her father and that Splinter was her enemy. Even though she eventually accepted the truth, she still had all the lessons and anger Shredder had taught her. She even said herself that her whole life was surrounded by "anger and revenge." You don't just let those emotions go that easily. Also, even though Splinter loves Karai, he doesn't really know her all that well. Even Tang Shen mentioned how he was more concerned with keeping the Hamato Clan alive than being a father to Miwa. If Karai reverts back to a baby, then it gives him a second chance to know his daughter again and this time, she can grow up to be the person she was always meant to be: Hamato Miwa. She'll be free of all the anger and pain that Shredder filled her head with and she can grow up as a normal human girl.

Now, people you guys break out the hangman's noose, I HIGHLY doubt this is gonna happen. I'm sure Karai will join the Mutanimals or maybe venture on her own path or something will miraculously cure her and we get a "Deus Ex Machina" as well. Then again, my idea is pretty "Deus Ex Machina" too, so I guess whatever the writers choose, it'll end up like that. But it would be sweet to see the Turtles trying to take care of a baby. And something tells me Casey would teach them how to change a diaper since he has a baby sister.

[Luckyday]

Once again, came in late after seeing ep.

Well, I guess my OC prediction didn't come true either, not that I was expecting it to, but at least I was right about the Saw refs and the villain being female. Though honestly my biggest fear was that this whole thing would've been a dream or hallucination. Like, when Donnie was trying to make the serum cure and it backfired that somehow the fumes from it would've caused one of them, maybe Splinter to go into a dream like state where he saw his sons in trouble and...yeah, you see where I'm going with this. Unless it's done really well, I hate those "just a dream/illusion" cop out endings.

I really like how we finally see Donnie snap at Leo about "having all the answers" and getting fed up with finding a solution. Vic Angel and I predicted that back in season 2, so it's nice to see it, even if it was just a small part of a bigger argument. It can't be easy for the smart guy to be expected to constantly have all the answers at the blink of an eye. I hope this gets addressed again in the future.

As for Karai....I have tried SO hard to keep a positive, open mind about her mutation. I really thought it was going to lead to Donnie being kidnapped and forced to cure her or that she would use her snake powers against Shredder, but they just keep stretching out her arc. I think Raph's right: Karai IS a lost cause at this point.

True, she got her human form back thanks to Stockman, but we saw how Shredder was like pumping mind worms into her and I have this feeling that she's going through a huge mental break down. Just because she got rid of the worm doesn't mean there weren't any lasting effects. Her whole life is one big mental and emotional roller coaster. I don't think the writers would go this way, but I seriously think Karai is going to go crazy now. She won't know what's real or what isn't; her snake instincts will be unpredictable and dangerous to be around; she might still have feelings for Shredder or is too obsessed with killing him to care about reuniting with her father and the Turtles. There's just too much baggage on her now to wrap it all up with a "Deus Ex Machina," even though the writers love using that.

Which brings me to yet another possible prediction of how they could wrap up the Karai arc. I'm gonna piss off a lot of people with this, but I'm certain it won't turn out this way and will probably end up with her being returned to normal and good blah blah blah.

So...we were introduced to Renet and the Time Masters earlier this season. This might actually play a part in later. Remember how Savanti Romero was able to create those time loops and stuff with the scepter? What if Shredder discovers the scepter as well and tries to use it to his advantage? Maybe he wants to go back and stop the Foot clan from being destroyed or figures a way to stop time so he can alter it to his will? Well, the Turtles try to stop him while Karai is still going all coo-coo crazy and attacking Shredder. Maybe during this big hullabaloo, the scepter gets fractured and starts to fire time blasts at random. At one point, the blast hits Karai and she starts to rapidly age backwards. When it stops, she's gone back to being an infant.

Before I go on, she wouldn't be a snake infant. What the scepter will do would be to lock her in a time bubble and rewind all the physical changes her body went through all her life. It'd be like watching a butterfly turn back into a caterpillar.

The Turtles and Renet manage to stop the Scepter and cease it's firing and Shredder gets away (or dies, I dunno). Leo begs Renet to turn Karai back, but Renet says that she can't age Karai again because it'd be too dangerous for a person to go through an aging process twice (or something like that). Leo is devastated because he feels he once again failed Karai and Splinter until Donnie points out that this might be a good thing.

Karai was taken away from her father at such a young age. She live her entire life believing that Shredder was her father and that Splinter was her enemy. Even though she eventually accepted the truth, she still had all the lessons and anger Shredder had taught her. She even said herself that her whole life was surrounded by "anger and revenge." You don't just let those emotions go that easily. Also, even though Splinter loves Karai, he doesn't really know her all that well. Even Tang Shen mentioned how he was more concerned with keeping the Hamato Clan alive than being a father to Miwa. If Karai reverts back to a baby, then it gives him a second chance to know his daughter again and this time, she can grow up to be the person she was always meant to be: Hamato Miwa. She'll be free of all the anger and pain that Shredder filled her head with and she can grow up as a normal human girl.

Now, people you guys break out the hangman's noose, I HIGHLY doubt this is gonna happen. I'm sure Karai will join the Mutanimals or maybe venture on her own path or something will miraculously cure her and we get a "Deus Ex Machina" as well. Then again, my idea is pretty "Deus Ex Machina" too, so I guess whatever the writers choose, it'll end up like that. But it would be sweet to see the Turtles trying to take care of a baby. And something tells me Casey would teach them how to change a diaper since he has a baby sister.

^Honestly anything can happen when it comes to Karai although it's almost back square one with her. All I hoping that they don't go with the most laziest writing decision when it comes to Karai. Like "You know a lesser show would do that but we're not those people" said writer of Rick and Morty.

[Bitsy83]

^Honestly anything can happen when it comes to Karai although it's almost back square one with her. All I hoping that they don't go with the most laziest writing decision when it comes to Karai. Like "You know a lesser show would do that but we're not those people" said writer of Rick and Morty.

Um....:-? I don't watch that show. Could you please elaborate? And why does Rick keep belching? (I've watched only one or two clips, plus the Simpsons opening they did).

[Luckyday]

Um....:-? I don't watch that show. Could you please elaborate? And why does Rick keep belching? (I've watched only one or two clips, plus the Simpsons opening they did).

Because Rick is a beer alcoholic but once you can get past that, he's one of the most fascinating character on that show.

Other then being a science fiction animated show with loads of dark comedy and some drama, Rick and Morty is a really deep and introspective show that always thinks outside the box. In the most recent example of their creativity, episode starts with a very generic monster of the week sort of plot or at least that is what a lesser uninspiring show would've done as a center focus of the episode but instead the show like "Nope " and resolve "the plot" rather quickly. Instead it centers around Rick quickly becoming addicted to being a high spirited teenage clone of himself and the highs of being the most popular guy at his grandkid's high school, but meanwhile and because he has a teenager brain that is fuel driven by peer pressure and emotionally unable to deal with negative emotion like thinking of death, ignores that his real body is slowly dying in a vat somewhere at home in the garage.

[kelligrafie]

Has it ever occurred to anyone that MAYBE the team making the show and the team that is responsible for promoting the episode aren't actually the same team?

We've all seen headlines in newspapers that were misleading and had nothing really to do with the story.

The promo team have to make sure the episodes are watched by as many people as possible so they probably write these descriptions in a way to catch your attention, but they don't necessarily, accurately reflect the episode in full (or barely).

So maybe you're aiming your complaints at the wrong people. Pretty sure Ciro and Brandon aren't responsible for writing some three line bit on a website about what goes on in every episode.

[oldmanwinters]

Haven't read this thread, but has anyone raised the question as to how Karai was able to get the numbers to the Turtles' communicators and Splinter's Cheesephone? I guess it would make sense if she just calls the numbers from the phones of the Turtles she captures (Donatello's first, then Michelangelo's), but in order to start the cycle, Karai needed to fake a call to Donatello from April's phone (came up on the called ID, didn't it?) and April wasn't captured until last with Leo and Raph.

[Vicky82]

Haven't read this thread, but has anyone raised the question as to how Karai was able to get the numbers to the Turtles' communicators and Splinter's Cheesephone? I guess it would make sense if she just calls the numbers from the phones of the Turtles she captures (Donatello's first, then Michelangelo's), but in order to start the cycle, Karai needed to fake a call to Donatello from April's phone (came up on the called ID, didn't it?) and April wasn't captured until last with Leo and Raph.

She said she got Baxter to hack there phones or something.

[oldmanwinters]

She said she got Baxter to hack there phones or something.

Thanks! I must have missed that detail. That dirty fly...

[IronBoomer]

Honestly, aside from stretching out the Karai arc again; I have few problems with this episode. It moved the plot along, we got to see natural tension between the brothers (and finally someone other than Raph standing up to Leo), and seeing Splinter in the field is always a treat.
And not just because he just walked through all of Shredder's goons like a boss.

If given one thing to change, I'd rather have seen the boys work out how to escape from their traps on their own a little more, and maybe a little more plot about them (even if I had a good lolz at Mikey being trapped in a G1 toy and renaming it "The Dump of Doom").

I'd also like to have seen April kick a little more butt on her own, but that's being nitpicky. I'm almost surprised Splinter didn't call Casey in for backup.

[ssjup81]

You mean you had the Flushomatic, or just saw a TV commercial?

I never liked the original Flushomatic, thinking it looked too much like the stupid Slimepit from Heman (Hordak trying to brainwash Heman worked, but having his body covered with slime when fighting Skeletor was just stupid!) but doing other things. But now it had been some years, so seeing the new one worked well.

Tigerclaw is badass as usual, my favourite part was him using jetpack equipment. One of the best episodes of this season!I never had any turtle toys as a kid, but I remember this one from the commercials.

[Luckyday]

Honestly, aside from stretching out the Karai arc again; I have few problems with this episode. It moved the plot along, we got to see natural tension between the brothers (and finally someone other than Raph standing up to Leo), and seeing Splinter in the field is always a treat.
And not just because he just walked through all of Shredder's goons like a boss.

If given one thing to change, I'd rather have seen the boys work out how to escape from their traps on their own a little more, and maybe a little more plot about them (even if I had a good lolz at Mikey being trapped in a G1 toy and renaming it "The Dump of Doom").

I'd also like to have seen April kick a little more butt on her own, but that's being nitpicky. I'm almost surprised Splinter didn't call Casey in for backup.

That's how most people feels about this episode. "It just one thing" and that one thing is different for everybody but somehow this feel really close being the perfect episode. Most episodes to me are okay like the recent new one that's online but because the pacing of the episode feels too quick to expect.

Still this was one great awesome episode and mostly because of the atmosphere which feels really intense.

Still really bum about Karai. I wonder where writer's mindset is currently on her. Like would the idea of Karai trying adjust her new life with the turtles would sound interesting in theory but not so much in execution or when it's finally happening on screen so maybe that's why been post pone so much right now.

[ssjup81]

Personally, I wouldn't want Karai to join the Turtles and act on her complete own. As for now, though, I'd want her to try getting revenge on Shredder. She did cough up that one worm, but what happened to the other ones that Shredder was pumping her with in the ep before it?

Hm, I also wouldn't mind it if she went after the Turtles and Shredder. When she was first mutated, I was wondering if they were going to set her up where she wouldn't be able to distinguish her enemy from her allies since the last two things she saw before being mutated were Leo (a Turtle) and Shredder. I was kind of banking on something like that happening....but doesn't seem very likely now.

[Luckyday]

Personally, I wouldn't want Karai to join the Turtles and act on her complete own. As for now, though, I'd want her to try getting revenge on Shredder. She did cough up that one worm, but what happened to the other ones that Shredder was pumping her with in the ep before it?

Hm, I also wouldn't mind it if she went after the Turtles and Shredder. When she was first mutated, I was wondering if they were going to set her up where she wouldn't be able to distinguish her enemy from her allies since the last two things she saw before being mutated were Leo (a Turtle) and Shredder. I was kind of banking on something like that happening....but doesn't seem very likely now.

I would imagine that even if she would be free of Shredder, that she would still want some distance from Splinter and the turtles to figure things out and to forge her own identity and direction in life. Not something that is base on what Shredder believes or even Splinter's, but her own.

But of course, this is a children show so all that character arc stuff will happen off screen....goddamnit

Also I would agree that at her core, she would want to kill Shredder at all cost but how much can you stretch that out and of course you can't kill off Shredder or else there would be no show so I can see where the writers are coming from.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Meh, I'm a little disappointed that it was Karai but I learned not to have my hopes too high. It was okay, the only scene that stood out to me was the scene where Leo gets angry and argues with Donnie which causes all four of them to argue.

[Luckyday]

Meh, I'm a little disappointed that it was Karai but I learned not to have my hopes too high. It was okay, the only scene that stood out to me was the scene where Leo gets angry and argues with Donnie which causes all four of them to argue.

That was very unexpected to see something like that in this show, like woah **** got real at that point.

[T-U-R-T-L-E POWA!]

I thought this episode was awesome. Probably one of my favorites because it really had an emotional feel to it. I also really laughed hard when Mikey was huge in Donnie's game and then it follows that up with Splinter having to fight his daughter to try and save her and his sons. It was just an emotional gambit of the highest of highs and the lowest of lows. I really liked it.

[saintsaucey]

Okay apparently they didnt change the air date. I swear I looked last week and didnt see it listed.

[gibbs615]

I saw this episode and I was hoping that Splinter would get through to Karai somehow...and he DID! and now she's finally free of that mind control worm! Now I just hope they bump into her again ASAP!

[JH24]

After rewatching this episode I couldn't help but feel some level of disappointment on how generic (except Shredder) the villains have become. There was so much potential in developing rivalries/relations between them and the turtles.

I mean, I just felt disappointed that Fishface designed that trap for Raph. I always thought he was the kind of guy who wanted to beat Raph with his own hands. (Or feet)

Raph and Fishface, Mikey and Rahzar, Stockman and Donatello, Leo and Tigerclaw, Casey and Hun. All could have had some kind of rivalry or storyline. And with Rocksteady and Bebop being there for more funny moments but with them still having their own agenda regarding Shredder.


But we're seeing none of this. Even some interesting interactions between villains themselves (like Rahzar and Tigerclaw in season 2, with both being warriors) would add more depth.

Tigerclaw's cliché laugh at the end also felt out of place.

[Klunk1234]

Very solid episode featuring Karai. Too bad Donnie could not cure her, but at least she got rid of the mind control worm.