Official Ep Discussion: S3 Finale: "Annihilation: Earth"

[JTH]

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Let the Season 3 Finale begin, Double Invasion, unlikely alliances, stakes are higher than ever before.

Post your thoughts in the comment section.

[Powder]

What a ride...

[TurFlytle]

Still watching, it's intense. I like you know who's voice.

[Vicky82]

I can't explain my emotions right now, i'm crying, shaking it was awesome but really sad. :cry::o:D:cry::o:D

[TurFlytle]

Guys, Am I the only one who notices Shredder has a new burnt face model? (The one from Yokai episode)

EDIT: It's seriously distracting since his eyes are different from Helmet Shredder or should I say Shredder V.1?

[Haalix]

MY HEART!!:teek::tcry: :o

Splinter dying... I never thought they'd do something like that. But since earth is completely gone, I'm pretty sure that they'll go back in time or something

And gosh, Mikey crying. That was just.... too much. Not to mention their reactions. :tcry:

[Vicky82]

MY HEART!!:teek::tcry: :o

Splinter dying... I never thought they'd do something like that. But since earth is completely gone, I'm pretty sure that they'll go back in time or something

And gosh, Mikey crying. That was just.... too much. Not to mention their reactions. :tcry:

Yeah that what got me, as soon I heard Mikey cry, I broke down in tears. :cry:

[GoldenFlither]

Michelangelo's acid trip was phenomenal. :teek: 22 Jump Street levels. Very funny scene!

[edit]

Also, it seems Renet has some explaining to do when they see her next. Saved the world, you say?

[TurFlytle]

I feel so sorry for the old Hamato family and their bad relationship with Shredder. Tang Shen got sliced by Shredder and burnt to death. Karai was taken by Shredder and told her false lies, mutated her (and blamed on someone other than himself) and mind controlled her. Finally, Splinter gets sliced through the chest by you guessed it, Shredder. When Shredder is defeated, I will finally feel some satisfactory to see that bastard die.

EDIT: I realized, I re-watched the Splinter death part and Shredder suddenly switches from V1 scars (Straight line, tiny burn spot, no ripples, darker scars, somewhat normal nose, current Shredder eyes, no hair, blocky head, slight wrinkles, blocky teeth, lower lip same color as scar) to V2 scars (curvy lines, no tiny burn spot, ripples, lighter scars, and right nostril is shifted down, young Shredder eyes, hair, smoother head, no wrinkles, more realistic teeth, lower lips different color) Was this a mistake on the animators part? I re-watched all the Shredder parts and not once did he use the V2 scars while he had his helmet on. (his eyes were still V1)

[neatoman]

Who is the real Sub-Prime if the one we know is Sub-Sub-Prime?

[Ceres]

Who is the real Sub-Prime if the one we know is Sub-Sub-Prime?

I assume it was Bishop itself before he left the Kraang and joined the Utroms :)

[matteso586]

I haven't watched the episode yet. So I'm have to ask about three things. 1) Who does the voice of Bishop? 2) Did this finale explain how Subprime survived the Technodrome crash? Or at least how he got the scars? 3) How did Mondo Gecko and Muckman end up in the Mutanimals?

[Vicky82]

I haven't watched the episode yet. So I'm have to ask about three things. 1) Who does the voice of Bishop? 2) Did this finale explain how Subprime survived the Technodrome crash? Or at least how he got the scars? 3) How did Mondo Gecko and Muckman end up in the Mutanimals?

Nolan North

No

They didn't Leo told April to get Splinter and there friends.

[Haalix]

A bit off-topic. But wasn't the Crognard finale foreshadowing something? Crognard/Splinter dying, and then Mikey/Renet(?) 'rewinding' the tape so Crognard/Splinter wins.

In other words, the season finale ended badly (with the earth being destroyed, and Splinter dying), but eventually they go back in time so they'd win. I sure hope so.... I'm still shaking from this episode.

[ssjup81]

It kept buffering but I finally got through it. My jaw dropped....total shock. Seriously....I still can't believe what I just saw! Splinter... I'm definitely going to watch this again, but when it's on a site other than Nick's. Of course it's not anyplace yet.

Sorry....still in shock over what happened and I thought the Invasion was crazy!

Oh, I will say this...I kinda hated how Casey was all like, "This is awesome" at the end when the Fugitoid told them that they'll be going on a great adventure. After what they just saw, how in the world could he even think that or react that way? Hello, your nonexistent sister and father were on the planet.

I'm going to say this...I hope that season 4 picks up right where season 3 leaves off and doesn't have a gap because with what happened, they ALL should feel the aftermath of it and continue feeling it since death was truly involved this time around.

[GoldMutant]

They really need some explanation for putting the finales on nick.com before putting them on television. :ohwell:

Anyways, just started watching it and I saw what they did there with where they need to go in the beginning. ;) I'll give thoughts later though since I just started, this better be a good way to top a kinda lackluster season.

[Drose18]

Holy hell balls that was awesome like casey said but y did he say that.

[Vicky82]

Even though he was only in it for a few minutes, Tiger Claw was awesome. He told Casey and April to leave while fighting the Triceratons and he got pissed off with Shredder for killing Splinter and not saving the earth. I wish he left Shredder side and join the Mutanimals.

I laughed a little when Bebop and Rocksteady were hugging and when Fishface kicked Rahzar away into the black hole but he got sucked into it too.

[Amaranthus]

I don't get how Baxter had to help find Shredder's helmet in Legend of the Kuro Kabuto, but when the fate of the earth is at stake he gets to stay in his lab.

[Fang Wolf]

But sad at everyone die and be earth destroyed.
but now is well Shredder and Splinter gone forever!
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[Amaranthus]

It's was great Ep...

But sad all die and earth destroyed.
Now is Shredder and Splinter gone......forever..... :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

You need to take some English classes.

[Fang Wolf]

You need to take some English classes.

Now I have changed my fault. :ohwell:

[Vicky82]

Did anyone catch the reference in this shot.

https://41.media.tumblr.com/ae18a9ac98c374a7fc44d2d5515889e3/tumblr_nuz0g8Wc2f1uuxhjio1_540.png

If you know your art history, you should know.

[TurFlytle]

Did anyone catch the reference in this shot.

https://41.media.tumblr.com/ae18a9ac98c374a7fc44d2d5515889e3/tumblr_nuz0g8Wc2f1uuxhjio1_540.png

If you know your art history, you should know.

So Leatherhead is the god of TMNT? :lol:

[Amaranthus]

Did anyone catch the reference in this shot.

https://41.media.tumblr.com/ae18a9ac98c374a7fc44d2d5515889e3/tumblr_nuz0g8Wc2f1uuxhjio1_540.png

If you know your art history, you should know.

That's awesome! I love E.T.!

[Haalix]

Did anyone catch the reference in this shot.

https://41.media.tumblr.com/ae18a9ac98c374a7fc44d2d5515889e3/tumblr_nuz0g8Wc2f1uuxhjio1_540.png

If you know your art history, you should know.



Oh my..! I knew that was familiair somehow. Nice reference to Michelangelo ^^

[Fang Wolf]

Did anyone catch the reference in this shot.

https://41.media.tumblr.com/ae18a9ac98c374a7fc44d2d5515889e3/tumblr_nuz0g8Wc2f1uuxhjio1_540.png

If you know your art history, you should know.

Yes, I do...

[neatoman]

I don't get how Baxter had to help find Shredder's helmet in Legend of the Kuro Kabuto, but when the fate of the earth is at stake he gets to stay in his lab.

I don't know, maybe he was really busy.

[TurFlytle]

I don't know, maybe he was really busy.

Busy during the end of the world?

[MrTMNT2012]

First time since 'The Gauntlet' that this show managed to get an audible "OH SH!T" outta me! :O

Really good finale but it's obvious that they'll just go back in time and save the planet again on some DBZ: Resurrection F ish. Still, seeing Shredder stab Splinter was one of the most visually impactful scenes in anything TMNT!

The incorporation of Bishop was the coolest and smartest thing this series has done since the first Season.

However this is one of the most insulting episodes purely on the ending! I mean, WTF? It literally treated us like kids: completely diminishing the exquisitely created tension and melancholy to leave on a somewhat happy tone for the 3-year olds. F#ck that.

Still, one of the better written episodes by Brandon Auman; definitely harkened back to the mature writing of Season 1 with great character dynamics, world-building and set-pieces.

(9/10)

[neatoman]

Busy during the end of the world?

Maybe he was working on creating a Crognard movie that retcons the original crappy ending? Some things take priority, like how it's more important for Splinter to die than the earth to be saved.

[Ceres]

I was a little dissapointed that a few dialogues of the book did not make it in the episode :/ Oh well. It was a decent episode at all and it was really refreshing to see KSP for once again and the interaction with Prime was A+ sadly too short.

Did they cut a few things from the episode? I think i can remember that Honeycutt had a few more lines but i guess i was wrong.

[TLP]

Hahaha, NICE! That was f*cking awesome! :tgrin:

That ending was staggeringly dark though. :o I would have definitely liked to see Brandon Aumann go this far with the other shows he wrote for.

[Luckyday]

Now that was a season finale!

That music at the end with Doctor Honeycutt felt very Doctor Whoish.

Even when I knew how it will all go done, I was at the edge of my seat when Mikey got capture by the Triceratops thinking "Is he getting separated by the rest like in volume 4 of mirage?".

Also who voiced Commander Mozar because I kept thinking it was J.K Simmons?


Shredder is crazy. He's always been crazy but unlike hollywood crazy, crazy only shows subtly and "I know this button will destroy the world but I going to push it anyway" with a deadpan straight face.

It kept buffering but I finally got through it. My jaw dropped....total shock. Seriously....I still can't believe what I just saw! Splinter... I'm definitely going to watch this again, but when it's on a site other than Nick's. Of course it's not anyplace yet.

Sorry....still in shock over what happened and I thought the Invasion was crazy!

Oh, I will say this...I kinda hated how Casey was all like, "This is awesome" at the end when the Fugitoid told them that they'll be going on a great adventure. After what they just saw, how in the world could he even think that or react that way? Hello, your nonexistent sister and father were on the planet.

I'm going to say this...I hope that season 4 picks up right where season 3 leaves off and doesn't have a gap because with what happened, they ALL should feel the aftermath of it and continue feeling it since death was truly involved this time around.

Yes. They really can't dodge subject this time and I want no head canon excuse of
"Well technically, when they travel back in time, the Earth isn't destroy so it almost like it didn't matter"

**** that noise of "it's not real anymore". By that logic, we have no reason to be scare of horror movies.

[Amaranthus]

They didn't save ICK did they?
Aw.

[TLP]

Also who voiced Commander Mozar because I kept thinking it was J.K Simmons?

Michael Dorn. He played Worf from Star Trek: The Next Generation and voiced I M Weasel from Cow and Chicken.

[Luckyday]

Michael Dorn. He played Worf from Star Trek: The Next Generation and voiced I M Weasel from Cow and Chicken.

Thanks. :D

Woah, really? Simmons and him both have this "no funny business" attitude in their voices.

[GoldMutant]

I gotta admit, I was extremely skeptical of this finale, even with the previous episodes beginning with Turtles in Time. Ultimately though... :o

This was an excellent way to top off the season, easily one of the best of the show by far. It really felt like an early season 2 or even season 1 episode, it felt near perfect. I mean, they brought in nearly everyone at this point, but imagine if they ended the show here?

That thought would be so grim, but either way, for a season that was extremely lackluster this episode that kinda everything better. I look forward to season 4.

A little disappointed in Bishop though being voiced by Nolan North, but he did okay. I just wish he had a different and distinct voice for him.

Muhahahhahahahahhahhaha
finaly!! After so many years!! I killed splinter!!! Muhahahhahaahhaah

it was too easy!! I made him believe that i will help him fight triceratons and while we were fighting together i killed him!!
Muhahahahaahahahhahhahahha he is dead!!!!!! Deaddddddddddddddddd!!!!!!

Have fun saying that when season 4 screws you over with that. :lol:

(Note) I went through too fast. It was a great episode, but the season was still kinda lackluster and stands the weakest of the season. It's among the best of the season and possibly the show, but I can't forgive what happened this season. They can still do finales very well, but now to fix what happens this next season.

[Ninjinister]

Rachel Butera is now Kraang Prime's actress, or at least for this episode.

[TigerClaw]

Wow, This episode went places nobody expect.

With the Earth being destroyed, I have a feeling that, in season 4 Renet will show up at some point, and they go back in time to prevent the destruction of Earth, and save Splinter from Shredder.

[xenopokemon]

Wow, This episode went places nobody expect.

With the Earth being destroyed, I have a feeling that, in season 4 Renet will show up at some point, and they go back in time to prevent the destruction of Earth, and save Splinter from Shredder.

If they go back in time, that means they went to the season finale. But the season finale, we didnt see Splinter getting saved. Splinter died.

So there will be a massive time paradox which makes me mad. It's a cheap plot device.

[Amaranthus]

If they go back in time, that means they went to the season finale. But the season finale, we didnt see Splinter getting saved. Splinter died.

So there will be a massive time paradox which makes me mad. It's a cheap plot device.

Why? If the earth and Splinter were saved there would be no need to travel back in time, which is a paradox.

[pannoni1]

They really need some explanation for putting the finales on nick.com before putting them on television. :ohwell:

Anyways, just started watching it and I saw what they did there with where they need to go in the beginning. ;) I'll give thoughts later though since I just started, this better be a good way to top a kinda lackluster season.

I'm going on vacation to LA next Sunday, so I find it convenient to watch it early so that I can just enjoy the trip. I'd love to know where any behind-the-scenes stuff could be happening, but I'll just be content with the cattle-class traps since for three people, this is their first time in California.

I'll have to say, I can really feel for all of the children/kids watching this, and of course this was the best season finale of the Nick series so far, and is debatable with the best out of the OT and 4kids. Almost every major player is presented, there are important back stories revealed, tense battles, kidnappings/trappings, rescues, human panic, and if this was the first episode of the series you ever watched, provides a good basis to go back and follow along from the beginning (outside of some filler eps like the Ice Cream Kitty episode).

Grade: 10/10

[TigerClaw]

Of all the season finals we have seen, this is by far the best one yet.

Every season final has always topped the previous one.

I'm so glad the Utrom are on this series, we are so getting tired of hearing about the Kraang.

and Utroms are normally peaceful creatures.

[evan2000]

Just watched it - twice in a row!

- Kraang sub-prime confirmed 2 earth-years has passed since Season 1 finale. If the turtles do age, technically they are 17+ by now!
- Those pesky Taser droids! (anyone knows its official name?)
- One of the Kraang called the Turtle Blimp "a balloon" :tlol:
- The Triceratons actually have their own language (as spoken by the aircraft pilots), they probably use a language convertor (such as the device used by Newtrailizer) to "speak" English
- Mikey don't even need to be in Dimension X to be the best Hovercraft pilot here :tcool:
- Donnie to April: We've been hit! We're going down. Grab on to something! *smooooth Donatello~*
- Kraang sub-prime: We're toast! TOAST!! *bangs head on Kraang prime's head*
- Mikey's acid trip! And him clinging to Mozar after that, asking for more :tlol:
- One of the Triceratons was entertained by Bebop's dance :trazz:
- Splinter and Shredder taking down a Triceraton together
- Very smart of Leo to use a teleporter to "open" a hole in the Triceraton ship's dome glass
- Rocksteady actually fared quite well against a Triceraton
- As I was already spoiled by the book, my heart literally skipped a beat when I hear "Hurry Saki, we have no time!" :teek:
- Words can't describe the imagery that followed... :tcry:
- The animators truly made an awesome rendition on what a real black hole might possibly look like
- Fugitoid's spaceship appeared out of nowhere to rescue the team before everything is gone "in an infinite gravitational singularity" (thanks for dropping the science on us Donnie)
- Yeah I don't quite get Casey's inability to contain his excitement so soon after the whole tragedy either... not cool, man :tgrumble:

[TigerClaw]

After all that, I wonder what the next episode is gonna be.

[Papenbrook]

Just watched it - twice in a row!

- Kraang sub-prime confirmed 2 earth-years has passed since Season 1 finale. If the turtles do age, technically they are 17+ by now!
- Those pesky Taser droids! (anyone knows its official name?)
- One of the Kraang called the Turtle Blimp "a balloon" :tlol:
- The Triceratons actually have their own language (as spoken by the aircraft pilots), they probably use a language convertor (such as the device used by Newtrailizer) to "speak" English
- Mikey don't even need to be in Dimension X to be the best Hovercraft pilot here :tcool:
- Donnie to April: We've been hit! We're going down. Grab on to something! *smooooth Donatello~*
- Kraang sub-prime: We're toast! TOAST!! *bangs head on Kraang prime's head*
- Mikey's acid trip! And him clinging to Mozar after that, asking for more :tlol:
- One of the Triceratons was entertained by Bebop's dance :trazz:
- Splinter and Shredder taking down a Triceraton together
- Very smart of Leo to use a teleporter to "open" a hole in the Triceraton ship's dome glass
- Rocksteady actually fared quite well against a Triceraton
- As I was already spoiled by the book, my heart literally skipped a beat when I hear "Hurry Saki, we have no time!" :teek:
- Words can't describe the imagery that followed... :tcry:
- The animators truly made an awesome rendition on what a real black hole might possibly look like
- Fugitoid's spaceship appeared out of nowhere to rescue the team before everything is gone "in an infinite gravitational singularity" (thanks for dropping the science on us Donnie)
- Yeah I don't quite get Casey's inability to contain his excitement so soon after the whole tragedy either... not cool, man :tgrumble:

They still have to keep a light-hearted tone for the show. So, Casey's excitement in spite of that whole tragedy would have to be there.

[shredder orokusaki]

in next episode i with help of Kraang will save Earth from triceratons.

[PangolinFeets]

Four seasons of chasing her around...Karai is dead.

[TurtleTitan97]

Geez, talk about an epic episode.....

[Vicky82]

Four seasons of chasing her around...Karai is dead.

Everyone except the Turtles, April and Casey are dead.

OMG!!!! that means Ice Cream Kitty is dead too, those bastards :tcry::tcry:

[victory_angel]

They still have to keep a light-hearted tone for the show. So, Casey's excitement in spite of that whole tragedy would have to be there.

That or he is in denial of all that has happened and he's using the thought that they are going on an adventure to distract him from what he really is feeling.

Everyone takes on grief in different ways. I mean I can sort of understand that there is some shock involved as the turtles and co are invasion orphans again only this time instead of the their loved ones being mutated or supposedly dead. This time their friends, and loved ones are completely dead and there was nothing they could really do to prevent it at that point in time.

So the full impact of everything that has happened hasn't hit them just yet. But yet it is a kids show so we aren't going to see all out cry fests outside of Fanfiction.


The next arc according to the books involves them going backward 6 months in time and preventing the Triceraton's from building the heart of Darkness.


No ones talking about seeing Chloe in cameo again.

[Zatoichi]

Well damn, this was an intense Season Finale. Splinter getting killed onscreen, the Earth and every living thing on it being destroyed... well at least The Doctor saved the turtles and there will be a 4th season. So where the heck was Renet? I thought she said the Turtles saved the world? Also, I hate Shredder just about as much as I hated Joffrey from Game of Thrones now. I'm hoping Renet shows up and sends the Turtles back through time to stop/kill Shredder before he kills Splinter, allowing Splinter to save the world

[yellowmario27]

great episode! Even though i skimmed through the spoilers a few weeks ago, it was still very enjoyable and everything was executed well!

I loved that all of Shredder's henchman were included in this, and we even saw Tiger Claw ( i think) question Shredder for what he did at the end.

Also, Mikey's intense euphoria was funny. His eyes becoming hollow were a nice touch too lol

i was excited to see Honeycutt! for some reason I assumed we would see him at the beginning of season 4.


Leo seemed not to care about sacrificing himself and his brothers to save everyone, do you think we would ever get a season where Leo get's all moody and angry like the 2003 season 4 Leo?

[TigerClaw]

That or he is in denial of all that has happened and he's using the thought that they are going on an adventure to distract him from what he really is feeling.

Everyone takes on grief in different ways. I mean I can sort of understand that there is some shock involved as the turtles and co are invasion orphans again only this time instead of the their loved ones being mutated or supposedly dead. This time their friends, and loved ones are completely dead and there was nothing they could really do to prevent it at that point in time.

So the full impact of everything that has happened hasn't hit them just yet. But yet it is a kids show so we aren't going to see all out cry fests outside of Fanfiction.


The next arc according to the books involves them going backward 6 months in time and preventing the Triceraton's from building the heart of Darkness.


No ones talking about seeing Chloe in cameo again.
That's interesting, If they go back in time to prevent the creation of that weapon, It'll create a new timeline, a new timeline in which the Turtles never met the Fugitoid when he appeared to rescue them.

And if that happens. will the Turtles still have memories about it? Would the timeline reset to where they don't remember ever going into space and meeting the other alleys?

[Vicky82]

great episode! Even though i skimmed through the spoilers a few weeks ago, it was still very enjoyable and everything was executed well!

I loved that all of Shredder's henchman were included in this, and we even saw Tiger Claw ( i think) question Shredder for what he did at the end.



Yeah he did, it was amazing, he really wanted to save the earth.

[Vicky82]

That's interesting, If they go back in time to prevent the creation of that weapon, It'll create a new timeline, a new timeline in which the Turtles never met the Fugitoid when he appeared to rescue them.

And if that happens. will the Turtles still have memories about it? Would the timeline reset to where they don't remember ever going into space and meeting the other alleys?

Yeah that's what I think and I guess they will be returned just after the Fourfold Trap

[Megatron]

LMAO splinter dies, earth is gone.. turtles give 0 f***s.. mikey still talkin bout pepperoni and casey shouting "this will be awesome" wtf.. :lol:

i enjoyed that episode but that ending was lame.

[Meliwen]

I understand why they had to lighten up the mood so quickly after the destruction of Earth. As far as your average kid is concerned, everyone died. For a children's show I think ending this season on a somber note like the second season finale did would be too much, and considering how they didn't leave much room for themselves to process what happened before the end of the episode, I'm not too upset with the, in my mind, jarring mood change from death and destruction to, "yay, space adventures!"

While it does feel like it's another moment of emotional aftermath ended too soon, in terms of how the finale ended I think Casey's line was necessary.

Over all this is by far my favourite episode(s) this season, and possibly the whole show. I pretty much enjoyed every part of these episodes.

Leo seemed not to care about sacrificing himself and his brothers to save everyone, do you think we would ever get a season where Leo get's all moody and angry like the 2003 season 4 Leo?
I hope not, personally. We got a somewhat angsty Leo this season already, and with so far only two more seasons to go I'd rather not go down that similar character path with Leo when other turtles need some character growth more. But if we get past season 5, who knows, it could work then.

[Vicky82]

LMAO splinter dies, earth is gone.. turtles give 0 f***s.. mikey still talkin bout pepperoni and casey shouting "this will be awesome" wtf.. :lol:

i enjoyed that episode but that ending was lame.

The ending wasn't lame, they had to keep it light for the young children who watch this show. I don't think Ciro wants any angry mail from parents does he.

[yellowmario27]

Also, wanted to mention, when Donnie had the scottish accent and said "there's just too many of them captain~"

was that a reference to something?

[TurtleTitan97]

Also, wanted to mention, when Donnie had the scottish accent and said "there's just too many of them captain~"

was that a reference to something?

Pretty sure that's from Star Trek.

[Ninjinister]

No ones talking about seeing Chloe in cameo again.

Who the fart is Chloe?

[TurtleTitan97]

Who the fart is Chloe?

The girl Leo had tea with in "Slash & Destroy". I forget who said it, but one of the people working on the show said that's her name apparently.

[Vicky82]

The girl Leo had tea with in "Slash & Destroy". I forget who said it, but one of the people working on the show said that's her name apparently.

Peter Di Cicco confirmed it.

[Autbot_Benz]

Muhahahhahahahahhahhaha
finaly!! After so many years!! I killed splinter!!! Muhahahhahaahhaah

it was too easy!! I made him believe that i will help him fight triceratons and while we were fighting together i killed him!!
Muhahahahaahahahhahhahahha he is dead!!!!!! Deaddddddddddddddddd!!!!!!

Would you seriously shut the **** up you waste of human life. Seriously do us all a favor and go play on a busy highway or something :x:x:x:x:x

[Bry]

Well... that's one way to work around Hoon Lee's stint on Broadway. :trazz:

Incredible, incredible, incredible. A wide variety of well-realized action, tons of emotion, tons of humour, and a bajillion characters in the mix that (mostly) all felt well-utilized. This is how it's done.

Michael Dorn as Mozar and David Tennant as Fugitoid? This one just pressed all my fanboy buttons. :tlol:

Very excited for the Turtles in Space arc and the likely timey-wimey resolution to this cliffhanger. And for once I'm thankful for all the delays this year so I don't have to wait quite as long! (Right? ...right?)

[Leonardo87]

Wow. Just wow. That sums up my discussion.

[Desslok]

Holy oh my what the?!!!

Just grabbed the episode from ITunes and watched it cold turkey (no spoilers) and MAN that was nuts! So many incredible moments, I'm still trying to process it all. I love how they managed to get just about every main character into this episode and each of them had at least one stand-out moment, however small. Not only that, they still managed to squeeze in all those new characters!

And was I the only one surprised by the return of Kraang Sub-prime? When I heard his voice over the image of the Technodrome I was like "WHAT?! It can't be! Not again!" And then sure enough there he was, business as usual. Don't get me wrong I think he's entertaining and was happy to see him but what is that guy made of?! Of all the characters that supposedly died in this episode he is the one I completely expect to reappear with or without convoluted plot devices. He's survived being crushed by debris, he's survived a Technodrome crash that resulted in a catastrophic explosion and now he's been vaporized by a Triceraton ship and his remnants sucked into a black hole. NOTHING kills that guy he's like a cockroach! :tlol:

[Vicky82]

I wonder if anyone is going to have a gif of Mikey's acid trip as their signiture. :lol:

[DVD]

Brilliant episode. I enjoyed it from start to finish.
With a title like "Annihalation: Earth" that actually does what it says.. You're in for a treat.
Of course, as many have said, with a target audience of kids, you have to chill at the end and kind of forget that you've just killed off everyone on the planet: not to mention the planet itself.

It was also nice to see just about every character who meant something, back in the episode. Even if some had only moments of screen time, it was nice to see them again.

Now, the last scenes, setting up next season. I have high hopes for these Turtles in Space episodes. I like their ship, the Fugitoid and their enemy. Really looking forward to what comes next.

Final verdict on the episode; my favorite of the season.

And I just HAD to make this:
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[victory_angel]

LMAO splinter dies, earth is gone.. turtles give 0 f***s.. mikey still talkin bout pepperoni and casey shouting "this will be awesome" wtf.. :lol:

i enjoyed that episode but that ending was lame.

As I said. It is more likely the Turtles were in shock about all that has happened such as their Father/Teacher was murdered in front of them. And all their loved ones, everything they have known has been destroyed before their very eyes. And they were all that was left.

That is emotionally a lot to process for them so the full impact of grief more then likely would not have hit them just yet. But they are clearly shaken by all that has transpired.

Casey's cases of forgetting everything now they are going on an adventure appears as though he is moving past all the other grief stages and going straight into acceptance. i.E. the world is gone, were all that's left. Lets blow this Popsicle stand.

But if you think about it it's more he's experiencing all stages at once which is even more tragic.

Denial- Knowing the world is destroyed and everything he's known and loved aside from his companions is gone. And there is a chance it won't be there when they return from their journey.

Anger- Wanting something to pay for the destruction of earth.

Fear-Knowing that he's the last male human in existence, and they are heading off to an unknown reality where anything could happen.

Bargaining-Hoping there is a way they can stop the destruction of earth and save everyone.

And Acceptance- Knowing the only thing they could do right then was move forward for the sake of those they have lost.

[Donatello19]

Just finished watching it...

https://usatlife.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/tumblr_ms9q59kadn1rc2yffo1_400.gif?w=883&h=450

[VaughnMichael]

This seriously may be hands down on of the best TMNT episode of any series.
It had EVERYTHING!
And while I knew about what Shredder did I didn't know he did it as Splinter was about to save Earth.
I really wish Tiger Claw would have shot Shredder, man just when you think you can't hate someone more they go and get Earth destroyed.
There are so many holy crap moments in this episode that I was like this :teek: most of the time.
I guess there's no chance of befriending the Triceratons in this version.
Other things that really got me are Mondo being smashed, Muckman being blown to bits,& Rockwells helmet being smashed.
I loved the inclusion of everyone but it did suck that Baxter got left out.

[CyberCubed]

I wonder if Bishop survived.

[MrTMNT2012]

How has NO ONE mentioned possibly the greatest Leonardo moment of all time?!

Completely owning The Triceratons after seemingly an empty threat rivalled his "Let Karai go and I'll let you all live!" line earlier on in the Season.

[Mew]

I...I.. have no words. This was the best episode of TMNT I've ever seen. I can't believe Splinter...died! Shredder just stabbed him, right in the back, and you could SEE it! I cried so hard! I'm still in a loss of words! Bishop was pretty good. But Mikey.. poor, poor Mikey. He got scared to death over a machine that could kill him, then his father dies! I think Mikey could go through some MAJOR character development. I wouldn't be surprised if he became less happy and more like Raphael. So, everybody on Earth when Mozar put it into the black hole died? I..I need to see more. This show is fantastic. I'm gonna miss Splinter! But Shredder died as well! And how can Casey think this is "awesome"? I know he's in shock, but wow! Wasn't it implied he has a family? Well they just died! And April's dad! How are they not having emotional breakdowns? And Mikey! Quotes pepperoni? I guess it's normal to him, but how is he not having an emotional fit? Oh my God! This episode....I think this is the best incarnation of TMNT ever! Nickelodeon.....thank God you have one good show! I wanna buy the crap toys to support this show! Lord Dregg and Armaggon are coming? I cannot wait! AND ICE CREAM KITTY IS GONE!!! I'ma go cry my eyes out.

[CyberCubed]

So everyone the Turtles and April/Casey known are presumedly dead (I know they'll undo it somehow in the future, but for now), and they're just...excited to be going off with Fugitoid?

The Turtles just watched their father die, April lost her father again, Casey lost whatever family he had, Karai died, all their Mutanimals friends are gone, Ick the cat is gone, etc.

I dunno, the ending was pretty weird considering what just happened.

[TigerClaw]

So everyone the Turtles and April/Casey known are presumedly dead (I know they'll undo it somehow in the future, but for now), and they're just...excited to be going off with Fugitoid?

The Turtles just watched their father die, April lost her father again, Casey lost whatever family he had, Karai died, all their Mutanimals friends are gone, Ick the cat is gone, etc.

I dunno, the ending was pretty weird considering what just happened.
Yeah its gotta be the most traumatic experience, seeing everyone they know and loved, and the world destroyed before there very eyes.

[ssjup81]

Pretty sure that's from Star Trek.Scotty to be exact...

[aliena]

Wow! Best TMNT episode ever! I don't think anything can top that one.

Splinter getting stabbed in the back by that monster really shocked me, I was thinking that surely they are not going to go on without him.

I loved that Tigerclaw was upset by what Shredder had done, I wish he could maintain his memories and kill Shredder when things are put right again.

I loved seeing everyone all together. It was fun while it lasted at least.

Mikey being held in the arms of that Triceratron was so cute, plus his high
buzz. He was pretty brave really and all along he was the one they should have kidnapped. Mikey is still an amazing pilot even while not in Dimension X.

I loved Bishop, but it's odd that all along I felt his body looked like Bishop ever since I first saw him.

Bebop and Rocksteady were completely awesome together. Especially when they held each other as they were about to die. What did Rocksteady say to Bebop? I thought he said something about them dying together in combat?

I need to watch it again, but it kept buffering so I barely got to see it once. I feel like I saw a major movie motion picture rather than a season finale. Good work to all involved in it's creation.

Now if they will just keep it continuing through season 4 rather than a bunch of filler episodes.

[Powder]

I think he said "Hold me close, comrade." ;~;

[Foombamaroom]

Well, this was definitely the most fast-paced of the finales.

All in all, this was a better finale than season 1's finale, but the Season 2 finale is still my favorite because of the emotion to it, plus the Leo one-shot.

Not gonna lie, though, I would've liked this episode much more if it didn't feel like an "invasion" or if they had built it up just a tad bit more.

I'm really hoping the Season 4 finale has literally nothing to do with aliens and is just straight up Turtles vs. Shredder.

Splinter's death made me go, "OH ****." just because of the way it was done. It was absolutely perfect. What wasn't perfect, however, was the lack of emotion the Turtles showed afterwards, but I don't need to rant about that since other people have already ranted for me.

[Ninjinister]

The girl Leo had tea with in "Slash & Destroy". I forget who said it, but one of the people working on the show said that's her name apparently.

Well that explains why "nobody was talking about" her. She's a background character doing what background characters do.

[Mugic]

Bishop appeared? How different was he compared to his 2K3 counterpart?

[Powder]

Bishop appeared? How different was he compared to his 2K3 counterpart?

VERY.

It's a pretty major spoiler, be warned...

He's one of the "Norman", that human exosuit The Kraang use. & he himself is in fact a Kraang, though he reveals that they're actually Utroms that became part of Kraang Prime's hivemind & were brainwashed against their origins...

So he's actually a good guy, & says the original Utroms are still around, in small numbers, & he's the leader of that group. No ties to the EPF yet.

[aprilsfan]

holy holy holy.......

i read the spoilers and know everything will be ok and that was still intense and crazy, lol.

[CyberCubed]

Anyone else think Bishop was a nod to 2k3 Shredder? 2k3 Shredder was an Utrom, not we have Nick's Bishop as a call back to that.

[Zatoichi]

I loved that all of Shredder's henchman were included in this, and we even saw Tiger Claw ( i think) question Shredder for what he did at the end.



He did, and he has (kinda) questioned Shredder on a few things in the past as well. If the turtles somehow undo the world from being destroyed, I really hope Tiger Claw straight up shoots Shredder in the back and allows the turtles and/or Splinter to finish Shredder for good. He's the only henchmen that is starting to see that Shredder is completely nuts.

[TigerClaw]

He did, and he has (kinda) questioned Shredder on a few things in the past as well. If the turtles somehow undo the world from being destroyed, I really hope Tiger Claw straight up shoots Shredder in the back and allows the turtles and/or Splinter to finish Shredder for good. He's the only henchmen that is starting to see that Shredder is completely nuts.
I like the fact that even members of the foot clan, think Shredder is a little too crazy at time.

[matteso586]

For those of you that didn't read the Mutants in Space book before watching this finale. Who else expected Bishop to be fully human, running the EPF, and give the Turtles a speech like the link below in the future?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQklvANNjGA

[Ninjinister]

VERY.

It's a pretty major spoiler, be warned...

He's one of the "Norman", that human exosuit The Kraang use. & he himself is in fact a Kraang, though he reveals that they're actually Utroms that became part of Kraang Prime's hivemind & were brainwashed against their origins...

So he's actually a good guy, & says the original Utroms are still around, in small numbers, & he's the leader of that group. No ties to the EPF yet.

Aaaand that's why I feel like he should have been Mortu instead. Not a big thing. But it was a case of them already having a 2K3 at their disposal that fit the bill and passing over him for... what, name recognition?

[Powder]

That would've worked too, but I quite like the route they went with.

Mostly because I hate seeing fans of one iteration or another whine & beg for certain characters, & this shuts them up without pandering to them. Brandon & Ciro are very crafty in that way. & while I like the purpose Bishop served in the past, I was never big on his actual character. So to see him in a very different kind of role is refreshing to me. Now I'm curious to see who'll be the head of the EPF, assuming they weren't just nostalgia fodder for 4kids fans in a one-off appearance.

[CyberCubed]

Bishop's character design also looks exactly like the Kraang Droids from the start. I remember even back when Season 1 was airing people said if those Kraang droids had sunglasses they would look like Bishop.

[Ninturtle]

That would've worked too, but I quite like the route they went with.

Mostly because I hate seeing fans of one iteration or another whine & beg for certain characters, & this shuts them up without pandering to them. Brandon & Ciro are very crafty in that way. & while I like the purpose Bishop served in the past, I was never big on his actual character. So to see him in a very different kind of role is refreshing to me. Now I'm curious to see who'll be the head of the EPF, assuming they weren't just nostalgia fodder for 4kids fans in a one-off appearance.

They will appear in season 4 and Brandon implied they would appear in a humans vs mutants arc at SDCC 2015

[Cure]

Great pair of episodes. Also not using spoilers in the official discussion thread, but a warning will suffice.

I feel like Splinter's death would have had more impact if the whole ****ing Earth didn't disintegrate. Of course they're gonna find a way to bring it, and everyone including Splinter, back.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Wow, they actually had the guts to blow up the entire earth. Although they could have handled the turtles' reactions better. Seriously, Casey excited for a space adventure after their home planet got blowned up? There is seriously something wrong with this version of Casey. Shredder killing Splinter during a dire situation caught me off guard but at the same time, after the way they handled Tang Shen's onscreen death, it did not surprise me that another one would happen.

I want to say I am happy to see Bishop but the way they brought him in was a little disappointing seeing as how they handled Hun. I know the Kraang's Norman suits look like him but I was hoping they'd have a better model for the character since his face has a bored expression.

I wonder what made the decision for Ciro to include the utroms in the series when it was believed that the Kraang were an amalgam of the utrom race and Krang. Was this always what they intended for? It kind of feels like finding out that April's mom is the adult April that we know while the teen April is just her daughter filling in for her shoes.

[DVD]

This seriously may be hands down on of the best TMNT episode of any series.
It had EVERYTHING!
And while I knew about what Shredder did I didn't know he did it as Splinter was about to save Earth.
I really wish Tiger Claw would have shot Shredder, man just when you think you can't hate someone more they go and get Earth destroyed.
There are so many holy crap moments in this episode that I was like this :teek: most of the time.
I guess there's no chance of befriending the Triceratons in this version.
Other things that really got me are Mondo being smashed, Muckman being blown to bits,& Rockwells helmet being smashed.
I loved the inclusion of everyone but it did suck that Baxter got left out.

I think this sums up my thoughts.
I wondered last night, if I could think of ANY episode to beat this one. After discussing it with some mates here at school (yup, we are the teachers, not the kids haha!) I have to say that this is at the top of the pile and will be watched again tonight after I get home from seeing Muse.

[JTH]

Well, they've tried to 1-Up themselves every finale, they did it this time.

Now the question is, how do they possibly top this one in the Season 4 finale?

The only thing I could think of is IDW 44 or something of that ilk. Literally teasing the death of one of the turtles is the only way to top this one in shock value.

[Ninjinister]

Honestly, I'm a bit disappointed, now that I think of it, that none of their Northhampton allies showed up. I think it would've tied the whole season together as one cohesive thing instead of "there were these adventures, then some other unrelated adventures".

I mean a frog army against Triceratons would have been neat. Also Dr. Cluckingsworth could have brought the entire coop with her.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Well, there goes any glimmer of sympathy I had for The Shredder. Other than that, a very ballsy way to end the season.

[kolaida]

Wow. I just marathoned the last several episodes of season 3 and in total shock right now. Ahh, Splinter!!! I couldn't believe it, but then, yes, yes, I could, Shredder saw a chance and took it. Ahh, the freaking Earth, they actually blew it to bits! Yay, Professoer Honeycutt!

Looking forward to season 4, guessing we'll see more of the Triceratons and hopefully more Renet! Guessing they'll figure out a way to put Earth back together by next season finale. Loved it!

[drgon78]

Great season finale, loved that they managed to fit so many characters in there.

I like that April finally used her powers on a non-krang related target.

[CyberCubed]

Come to think of it did Pigeon Pete ever do anything? I only remember him appearing right when he did but I don't think they ever showed him fighting like all the other mutants.

[JTH]

Great season finale, loved that they managed to fit so many characters in there.

I like that April finally used her powers on a non-krang related target.
Also, I'm pretty sure this was the first time Casey actually sees her visible powers displayed.

Or at least the first time "we" see him see them.

[old_hob88]

This was the best season finale thus far!! Makes up for the hit and miss episodes that comprised this season to a degree. Really hope they don't immediately try to fix the status quo immediately. I'm getting a Dr. Who/Tmnt mash up vibe that I hope they roll with for a while.

[DVD]

This was the best season finale thus far!! Makes up for the hit and miss episodes that comprised this season to a degree. Really hope they don't immediately try to fix the status quo immediately. I'm getting a Dr. Who/Tmnt mash up vibe that I hope they roll with for a while.

Yup. My lil sig avatar sums up that I've been in that frame of mind forever.
Using DT as the voice of The Fugitoid really works for me, and I am so looking forward to the series returning next month.

[AdamWarlock87]

Loved this episode! I literally screamed out that "mf'er" just stabbed him in the back!

[Mugen_Jin18]

I love how the Triceratons capture everyone in bubbles just like in the Killer Clowns from outer space movie haha!

[Aska_Badoura]

I thought for a little while there that April would somehow stop time. Trans-dimensional shifting powers or something. :lol: But I also had wondered if she somehow needed Kraang nearby to do that mind-blast thing - good to see she doesn't. Just heavy emotional trauma... :teek:

Interesting recycling of Bishop. So Kraang have tribal groups? Also interesting. Nooot sure I trust him yet, if only considering his previous incarnation. I was a little disconcerted when his suit went down and he crawled out and went skittering off like all the other Kraang we've seen - I thought somebody would want to guard him or something - y'know, make sure nobody steps on him, or that he doesn't suffocate. :| But I realize they were kind of busy at the time.

Kraang need to carry nitrogen tanks, seriously. :P

Interesting point of Crognard foreshadowing as always. I should have seen this coming, in retrospect, heh. I bet the ending changes when (I mean, not if, you can't just destroy the Earth and kill a major character and not have some way to fix it :P) they somehow get the Earth back later.

[oldmanwinters]

Did anyone catch the reference in this shot.

https://41.media.tumblr.com/ae18a9ac98c374a7fc44d2d5515889e3/tumblr_nuz0g8Wc2f1uuxhjio1_540.png

If you know your art history, you should know.

Haha, that's so great. I didn't catch it when watching the episode online (viewing window too small!)

Did anybody get a screenshot of April's mental powers freaking out after the fall of Splinter? I couldn't remember, if April's mental blast served any purpose to saving the Turtles or if it was just meant to show her shock at what just happened.

[Toadtrooper]

My favorite detail is the ambiguity of the Triceraton salute. Early on, it looks like the sign of the horns - thumb held in. But at the end it looks like the thumb is held outward like the 'I love you' sign. Fits their evil-but-totally-doing-the-right-thing mentality.

I wish there had been a lot more lead-up, because the Triceratons are probably the best thing the show has developed so far. Compared to the dumbness of Mega Shredder and Creepweed, this is how to do powerful enemies. Have a lot of them, but also make their leaders seem competent.

I hope they keep that competency into the next season. Less smash, bash, sabotage and more trying to create a diplomatic alliance with this powerful species. I'm impressed with the voicing and modeling. I don't want them to be flat-out erased from the timeline because then all this suspense would have been for nothing. Then again, between Casey's line at the end and all the new time travel rules in Honeycutt's exposition program, I'm pretty sure that suspense as an art form is truly dead on this show.

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[Raph's Girl]

HOLY FRAK!!!!!!! :o The earth is gone, Splinter is dead (an on screen death too!!), Bishop is a Kraang (oops I mean Utrom)!!! :o Good lord in heaven!!

[CyberCubed]

Did anyone mention the debut of the roadkill rodney's in Nick? They even electrocuted Mikey as a homage to Turtles in Time.

[neatoman]

So I just realised the irony in that Lance Henriksen was cast as Zog rather than Bishop. Wouldn't it have made way more sense for him to voice Bishop?

[gibbs615]

We've seen the turtles in space before in the last few old series, and now its Nick TMNT's turn for that honor! Surely they will find a way to UNDO what has happened somehow!

[Skinrash]

Wow, don't think I've ever seen Shredder as fanatical and obsessed as here. Dooming the entire earth just to win a old feud. Great episode.

[victory_angel]

Wow, don't think I've ever seen Shredder as fanatical and obsessed as here. Dooming the entire earth just to win a old feud. Great episode.

I think his mindset is "If yoshi is going to die by anyone's hands, it will be mine!"

[Ravenshell]

I'm fairly traumatized by all this. Glad to hear Gilbert Gottfried again, but how the hell did he survive again?!

I really like Michael Dorn as Mozar. I'm morbidly curious how he lost his beak. Really got some Hitchhiker's Gude vibes from Mozar's chipper polite little speech to the Earth. The triceratons hailing with the horns sign made me laugh, probably more than it should have.

Mikey seeing ICK-Nyancats! *l*

Now, I hadn't seen anything about it, but someone mentioned rumors of Splinter's death shortly before the ep was up, and I was like, no, they won't do that... they probably won't be able to for their ratings. So, crap, I was kinda wrong, but given that the whole world was destroyed OBVIOUSLY there's gonna be a fix for that coming, but they have to do the whole space arc first. And, most likely, they'll get a better ending for Crognard.

Husband pointed out that Shredder was very much the scorpion from the fable of the frog and the scorpion. I really hope when they get the world back, TigerClaw shoots him in the back. I hope everyone remembers what happened, actually. Probably won't happen, but...

Casey: "This is SO AWESOME!!!"
Me, immediately: "NOT AWESEOME, CASEY. NOT AWESOME."
Husband: "Seriously, doesn't he remember his family just got destroyed with the rest of the world?!"

Husband, trolling: "So, how many people's fanfics do you think this just derailed?? Also, Casey and April are the last humans... they're gonna have to repopulate the species! They're ONE THIRD of the survivors of Earth now, and THEY'RE the freaks of the group! ...Oh, wait... She's not human either, is she?"

[old_hob88]

Did anyone mention the debut of the roadkill rodney's in Nick? They even electrocuted Mikey as a homage to Turtles in Time.

I didn't see anyone mention it, but I definitely screamed "holy crape roadkill rodneys" at my Tv!

[Skinrash]

Husband pointed out that Shredder was very much the scorpion from the fable of the frog and the scorpion. I really hope when they get the world back, TigerClaw shoots him in the back. I hope everyone remembers what happened, actually. Probably won't happen, but..
Yeah, Tiger Claw has questioned Shredder's actions before and this would definitely be the final straw. So it is a shame they'll probably hit the reset button on that.

[AdamWarlock87]

I didn't see anyone mention it, but I definitely screamed "holy crape roadkill rodneys" at my Tv!

Ya I noticed them and was like "oh that's cool"

[tylerdavies]

Anyone else think Bishop was a nod to 2k3 Shredder? 2k3 Shredder was an Utrom, not we have Nick's Bishop as a call back to that.

Yeah, I totally got a feel for this that as well. It's interesting that his 2k3 counterpart hated aliens and in the nick show he is one. I wonder where his character is going. He might act as a Mortu-esque character if he isn't one already. I think Bishop and the Utrom addition to the Kraang lore makes them more interesting again.

It's a small touch but I really liked the "previously on ninja turtles" bit. It's the first time the show's done that. I wonder if they might continue doing that in the next season. Especially with the 13 episode space arc. They can have plot points spread out across episodes and call back to them. The season is also shorter by 6 episodes so hopefully the 20 episodes devote more time to driving the plot forward

[Candy Kappa]

That was a pretty intense season finale.

[Technogeek29]

One word for what killed me this episode "Michelangelo"

https://33.media.tumblr.com/cbe5dfdf0bd49bd44866def3fa3de650/tumblr_nv0dzesjWS1s6wdr1o2_1280.gif

[Ursalink]

Boy, I don't think even the 2003's series of the TMNT has gone this dark!! "Heartbreaking", that's the only word I can think.

OK, since the last episodes have been aired before tieme, do you think there's any chance we could see the first episode of Season 4 ("Beyond the Known Universe") for next week?

[Icebot]

That was such an amazing episode! I really like Bishop's voice in this cartoon, I know it's the same as all the other Kraangs but I thought it was cool as Bishop.

Splinter is dead, earth is destroyed, I'm sure Renet will be in a future episode to fix this, I can't imagine a TMNT show where earth doesn't exist!

[CyberCubed]

Boy, I don't think even the 2003's series of the TMNT has gone this dark!! "Heartbreaking", that's the only word I can think.


Characters got impaled in the 2k3 series all the time, what are you talking about? It happened to Splinter, Bishop, Leonardo, and Shredder at various points in the show.

[JH24]

Amazing. Truly worthy of a finale, and probably the best ending of a season in this series yet.

The Triceratons are a real threat, and even the Kraang were likeable, being shown in a more humorous yet still dangerous way.

I couldn't find much wrong in this episode. The scene on the Triceraton ship was amazing, with Leo willing to sacrifice themselves to save Earth.

The scene were Shredder worked together with Splinter, only to betray him, and dooming the entire Earth send a shock through me. The reactions of the turtles were heartbreaking. And Tigerclaw's disbelief about Shredder's actions, "what have you done?" was saying a lot.


A great ending to a season with lots of ups and downs. The animation and art were fantastic with some cute but especially epic moments.


Only thing that bothered me was Casey. Is it me or don't the writers really know what to do with him? He seems to be portrayed dumber as the series progresses, and his "awesome" line at the end felt so out of place. I mean, he just lost his parents. The Earth is gone.


Other than that. A great finale, one that I likely re-watch a few more times. I'm glad to see this series still has it.

EDIT: Makes me wonder if Shredder had planned this from the start, or was just acting on impulse when Splinter was running in front of him. He could have waited a few more seconds, or maybe he had no desire to live anyway after his revenge was complete.

[xenopokemon]

Honestly, I'm a bit disappointed, now that I think of it, that none of their Northhampton allies showed up. I think it would've tied the whole season together as one cohesive thing instead of "there were these adventures, then some other unrelated adventures".

I mean a frog army against Triceratons would have been neat. Also Dr. Cluckingsworth could have brought the entire coop with her.

Make all that garbage pointless doesn't it? Upsetting. I don't think Cluckingsworth and the Chicken Coop could have done anything, that scene would be rather fowl, don't you think?

I would have also liked to have seen the Punk Frogs in the episode. It's like they completely forgot about the NorthHampton Filler Adventures.

Come to think of it did Pigeon Pete ever do anything? I only remember him appearing right when he did but I don't think they ever showed him fighting like all the other mutants.

Pigeon Pete had no lines and did virtually nothing. I'm upset that Mutagen Man/ Timothy didn't do anything or didn't even appear this episode. They missed out on that chance, along with forgetting above Baxter's existence.

EDIT: Makes me wonder if Shredder had planned this from the start, or was just acting on impulse when Splinter was running in front of him. He could have waited a few more seconds, or maybe he had no desire to live anyway after his revenge was complete.

He's a mad man! That was really stupid of Oroku Saki, you think he'd be smarter than that. He would have been able to save Karai and rule the world. Leader of the Foot is as impulsive as a child, tsk tsk. The world was destroyed all because of premature impaling.

[Luckyday]

He's a mad man! That was really stupid of Oroku Saki, you think he'd be smarter than that. He would have been able to save Karai and rule the world. Leader of the Foot is as impulsive as a child, tsk tsk. The world was destroyed all because of premature impaling.

This is why I dislike the Shredder of this version. This version of him has extreme case of short sightedness that it makes it hard to believe sometimes that he's really the only one that holding the Foot clan together.

It's like he's a bull in a china shop that can easily get flush at the sight of red. You just won't have any ability to able to command an freaking army for the long haul if you only have intimidation going on for you.

[Ursalink]

Characters got impaled in the 2k3 series all the time, what are you talking about? It happened to Splinter, Bishop, Leonardo, and Shredder at various points in the show.

Dude, those things are nothing compared to seeing the whole Earth being desintegrated!!! Please, I know perfectly the characters could be hurt really bad, or even killed. But seeing the whole planet destroyed is way too horrible for this!!

"Turtles Forever" could have some similarities considering how Ch'rell, the Utrom Shredder, almost destroy the multiverse. But ceasing to exist is not as horrible as the destruction in live of a planet.

[ssjup81]

Yeah, Tiger Claw has questioned Shredder's actions before and this would definitely be the final straw. So it is a shame they'll probably hit the reset button on that.Yeah, at the end of season 2 he was going on about how the Kraang couldn't be trusted and stuff, then we get some insight into Shredder's unstable psyche... lol I'm certain things'll be reset as well and that the Turtles will manage to stop the Triceratons and stuff with some time travel (maybe Renet again?).
It's a small touch but I really liked the "previously on ninja turtles" bit. It's the first time the show's done that. I wonder if they might continue doing that in the next season. Especially with the 13 episode space arc. They can have plot points spread out across episodes and call back to them. The season is also shorter by 6 episodes so hopefully the 20 episodes devote more time to driving the plot forwardThis isn't the first time that this show has done that. It's done so for other eps that continued directly after the previous episode, it's just not often since most eps imply that time had passed. Anyway, the finale for season 1 come to mind as well as episode 2 of the series. Both episodes, like this current one, continued directly where the previous episode left off.This is way I dislike the Shredder of this version. This version of him has extreme case of short sightedness that it makes it hard to believe sometimes that he's really the only one that holding the Foot clan together.

It's like he's a bull in a china shop that can easily get flush at the sight of red. You just won't have any ability to able to command an freaking army for the long haul if you only have intimidation going on for you.Shredder is stupidly short-sighted. We learned that when Karai was telling him about the Kraang and robots and how he was still all like, "SPLINTER SMASH!" lol But yeah, this Shredder is interesting and complex...somewhat, but he is way too shortsighted. His move in this ep felt like, "If I can't have Karai back, no one can..." but it could've been impulse as well and he just reacted...but maybe that's not entirely true either given what he said after it about how he didn't care what would happen because he killed his nemesis.

Shredder is something for this series...seriously.

[Technogeek29]

Dude, those things are nothing compared to seeing the whole Earth being desintegrated!!! Please, I know perfectly the characters could be hurt really bad, or even killed. But seeing the whole planet destroyed is way too horrible for this!!

"Turtles Forever" could have some similarities considering how Ch'rell, the Utrom Shredder, almost destroy the multiverse. But ceasing to exist is not as horrible as the destruction in live of a planet.

Would several counts of genocide and the destruction of several other planets count?

[Luckyday]

Shredder is stupidly short-sighted. We learned that when Karai was telling him about the Kraang and robots and how he was still all like, "SPLINTER SMASH!" lol But yeah, this Shredder is interesting and complex...somewhat, but he is way too shortsighted. His move in this ep felt like, "If I can't have Karai back, no one can..." but it could've been impulse as well and he just reacted...but maybe that's not entirely true either given what he said after it about how he didn't care what would happen because he killed his nemesis.

Shredder is something for this series...seriously.

He has a complex backstory that sort of explains his behavior but I just wish we had clearer picture of what his childhood and relationship with his foster parents were like.

Anyway I still can't help with feeling that him knowing his true origin made it impossible for him become emotional attach to people. Even though he said that he loved Tang Shen and loved Karai like a daughter but he will never allow himself to feel those emotions.

[victory_angel]

Personally I don't think the Turtles reactions to seeing their world destroyed is lackluster. I mean their father had just been murdered in front of them, and then their home world any everyone else they knew and loved is destroyed before their very eyes.


That is to much to anyone to really process at one time. So their reactions are similar to someone who is in shock over a traumatic experience. So grief is not going to hit them all at once.

I know this from personal experience. When I was girl, I had a friend who was seven years younger then me. I admit when I first met her I thought she was the biggest bitch alive, but as we grew up together she and I became friends to the point of practically being sisters. And often at church or church get togethers at places like Bishop's ranch in Napa Valley, where ever one of us was the other was the other wasn't far behind.

Several years ago my friend and I had been talking over AIM. She was home from college and wasn't feeling well...she was also druggy in the last years of her life. Unfortunately this would turn out to be last time I would ever speak to her.

She never appeared online that night, or the next, or next. A family friend from my church called that wednesday night and left a message with my mom and me. My mother didn't have time to call her back and said she would call this person back the next day. When I returned home from Western Career College, I found an email from my mother saying my friend had passed away.

I didn't grieve for her right away. I knew she was gone, but the impact hadn't struck me. Instead I kept watching my IM expecting her to pop up and say "Ha ha ha, you're such a dork Jaana. I can't believe that you actually thought I was dead."

It was later that evening that I deleted her IM handle from my AIM. And I officially didn't give into grief until a few nights later.

Casey's reaction while it seems like he's forgetting the fact that his planet, home, and family was just destroyed before his very eyes.

But it feels to me that he's experiencing the five stages of grief.

With Grief the five stages are

Denial

Anger

Bargaining

Fear/Sadness

and Acceptance.

At the very least he is in the denial stage.

In other words- Life is business as usual, and everything will be alright again after their adventure.

[NoName999]

The way some of the Triceratons were sucked into the vacuum of space....

Jesus Christ, man. Jesus Christ

[Technogeek29]

I haven't seen anyone mention General Mozar? Of all the characters I didn't expect to see him. Wonder if the Turtles will face Traximus?

[Meliwen]

I haven't seen anyone mention General Mozar? Of all the characters I didn't expect to see him. Wonder if the Turtles will face Traximus?
Traximus would be great to see. Raph can get a dino pal again. :lol:

If I'm remembering right, Mozar mentioned an emperor? So there's a potential we could see Zanramon as well, if they go that route.

[Technogeek29]

Traximus would be great to see. Raph can get a dino pal again. :lol:

If I'm remembering right, Mozar mentioned an emperor? So there's a potential we could see Zanramon as well, if they go that route.

He did But I don't think we'll be seeing Zanramon for awhile

[TigerClaw]

He did But I don't think we'll be seeing Zanramon for awhile
I bet probably at the end of the arc.

[Luckyday]

Personally I don't think the Turtles reactions to seeing their world destroyed is lackluster. I mean their father had just been murdered in front of them, and then their home world any everyone else they knew and loved is destroyed before their very eyes.


That is to much to anyone to really process at one time. So their reactions are similar to someone who is in shock over a traumatic experience. So grief is not going to hit them all at once.

I know this from personal experience. When I was girl, I had a friend who was seven years younger then me. I admit when I first met her I thought she was the biggest bitch alive, but as we grew up together she and I became friends to the point of practically being sisters. And often at church or church get togethers at places like Bishop's ranch in Napa Valley, where ever one of us was the other was the other wasn't far behind.

Several years ago my friend and I had been talking over AIM. She was home from college and wasn't feeling well...she was also druggy in the last years of her life. Unfortunately this would turn out to be last time I would ever speak to her.

She never appeared online that night, or the next, or next. A family friend from my church called that wednesday night and left a message with my mom and me. My mother didn't have time to call her back and said she would call this person back the next day. When I returned home from Western Career College, I found an email from my mother saying my friend had passed away.

I didn't grieve for her right away. I knew she was gone, but the impact hadn't struck me. Instead I kept watching my IM expecting her to pop up and say "Ha ha ha, you're such a dork Jaana. I can't believe that you actually thought I was dead."

It was later that evening that I deleted her IM handle from my AIM. And I officially didn't give into grief until a few nights later.

Casey's reaction while it seems like he's forgetting the fact that his planet, home, and family was just destroyed before his very eyes.

But it feels to me that he's experiencing the five stages of grief.

With Grief the five stages are

Denial

Anger

Bargaining

Fear/Sadness

and Acceptance.

At the very least he is in the denial stage.

In other words- Life is business as usual, and everything will be alright again after their adventure.

Do you think that because of them knowing that they can go back in time and fix everything it will automatically put everyone in the Bargaining Stage and that when they get to the last plot device item, the Fear stage Starts to kick in, because they starting worry about failing? Some of them might even reverse backwards to the previous stages due the nature of their personalities?

[victory_angel]

Do you think that because of them knowing that they can go back in time and fix everything it will automatically put everyone in the Bargaining Stage and that when they get to the last plot device item, the Fear stage Starts to kick in, because they starting worry about failing? Some of them might even reverse backwards to the previous stages due the nature of their personalities?

At that point they don't know if they can go back in time to prevent things from happening. As of right now the only thing they know is they are the only survivors of their world. So the only question going through their minds is not "How are we going to fix this?" The more rational minded ones which would be majority of them are thinking "So what happens now? Where do we go from here?"

Casey and Mikey know the earth is gone but their mind set is "This is an awful dream and we'll wake up and everything will be better."

Of course we know that going back in time is involved because obviously their isn't going to be an event this big without there being a way to go back and prevent it from happening. And of course those who read the book or the spoilers page about said kids chapter book know...

The Turtles are brought back 6 months into the past by Professor Honeycutt and told that they have to find the parts of the Heart of Darkness before the Triceraton's do.

But grief hits everyone differently. Some people are able to transition over certain stages of grief faster then others. And some times they are able to transition through multiple stages at once.

Right now while I say everyone is settled in the denial stage. I would wager that both Raph and Leo at the very least are at the Anger stage. They know who is responsible for the distruction of the Earth and they are going to want the Triceraton's to pay for their crime. Not the whole race, but certainly Zenramon on down would be on their "Asses that need a good kicking" list.

Since it's we know that it's likely that time travel is involved yes that would be the entry to the bargaining stage. Because it would give them a sense of hope. A sense that of "If we do this mission, perhaps we can spare the Earth." And for more diplomatic members of the team (Donnie, April, Mikey) Maybe talking to the Triceraton empire itself and finding people who were opposed to destroying the Earth or at the very least are more open to listening to alternatives (Traximus, Monzaram, ect.)

Fear of course would also be questions such as "What if we save the Earth, but still lose Splinter?" "What if these guys betray us?" "What if we just doing the same thing they did to us?"

And then lastly acceptance which is
"As long as we are together we will take things as they happen..."

[Ulisa]

Do you think that because of them knowing that they can go back in time and fix everything it will automatically put everyone in the Bargaining Stage and that when they get to the last plot device item, the Fear stage Starts to kick in, because they starting worry about failing? Some of them might even reverse backwards to the previous stages due the nature of their personalities?

Thing about grief is that there is not a set time period for the stages. Nor do you have to go through them necessarily in order (though most people do) Essentially when dealing with grief, a person can make a lot of progress then if something traumatic occurs, it can set them back to the beginning stages. A lot of times, anniversaries can do this but the difference is that the grief, feelings, etc. are not as intense.

I do grief work as a counselor and sometimes you have people who go through "rapid-cycle" stages--they seem to go through all 5 stages in a single day. So, I would say that knowing there is time travel as a option would most likely have someone stick in the first three stages--denial, anger, bargaining, without slipping too much into the depression or acceptance. However, like pretty much everything to do with psychology, that can vary tremendously by the person.

That being said though, I would think time travel could complicate things too as that opens the door for "well, we can correct this but we didn't save Tang Shen, etc."

Do I expect Nick to really address all these issues? No, not really but it certainly makes for some interesting consideration for the characters.

[Werecat]

Don't worry guys, once the black hole dissipates it will condense and make a new solar system with more planets. The circle of life. Splinter is still ded though. Oh well maybe it is time to teach the kids about moving on. Death is not the end. I kinda like how they are going to give the time theme a more heavier meaning in this incarnation. I am hoping for an Edge of Tomorrow episode.

I also absolutely love Prof. Honeycutt's voice. Can't wait for Season 4. The Doctor Who and Star Wars references are gonna be magical.

...still Raph isn't getting much quality focus. Hoping season 4 corrects it.

[Luckyday]

At that point they don't know if they can go back in time to prevent things from happening. As of right now the only thing they know is they are the only survivors of their world. So the only question going through their minds is not "How are we going to fix this?" The more rational minded ones which would be majority of them are thinking "So what happens now? Where do we go from here?"

Casey and Mikey know the earth is gone but their mind set is "This is an awful dream and we'll wake up and everything will be better."

Of course we know that going back in time is involved because obviously their isn't going to be an event this big without there being a way to go back and prevent it from happening. And of course those who read the book or the spoilers page about said kids chapter book know...

The Turtles are brought back 6 months into the past by Professor Honeycutt and told that they have to find the parts of the Heart of Darkness before the Triceraton's do.

But grief hits everyone differently. Some people are able to transition over certain stages of grief faster then others. And some times they are able to transition through multiple stages at once.

Right now while I say everyone is settled in the denial stage. I would wager that both Raph and Leo at the very least are at the Anger stage. They know who is responsible for the distruction of the Earth and they are going to want the Triceraton's to pay for their crime. Not the whole race, but certainly Zenramon on down would be on their "Asses that need a good kicking" list.

Since it's we know that it's likely that time travel is involved yes that would be the entry to the bargaining stage. Because it would give them a sense of hope. A sense that of "If we do this mission, perhaps we can spare the Earth." And for more diplomatic members of the team (Donnie, April, Mikey) Maybe talking to the Triceraton empire itself and finding people who were opposed to destroying the Earth or at the very least are more open to listening to alternatives (Traximus, Monzaram, ect.)

Fear of course would also be questions such as "What if we save the Earth, but still lose Splinter?" "What if these guys betray us?" "What if we just doing the same thing they did to us?"

And then lastly acceptance which is
"As long as we are together we will take things as they happen..."

It will be interesting if the writers seem all aware of the kids' current mindset although base on a similar situation that was on a much smaller scale, I seriously doubt they would even care enough to portray it because this is a "boy's show" and emotions are weird and icky if you think about them too long.

At the very least there is a call to action or showing them actually dealing with the situation and not 13 episodes that in any way are not connecting to the fact the Earth is destroyed.

If the first three episodes are just random shenanigans/ hijinks ensue nonsense, I'm checking out.

Thing about grief is that there is not a set time period for the stages. Nor do you have to go through them necessarily in order (though most people do) Essentially when dealing with grief, a person can make a lot of progress then if something traumatic occurs, it can set them back to the beginning stages. A lot of times, anniversaries can do this but the difference is that the grief, feelings, etc. are not as intense.

I do grief work as a counselor and sometimes you have people who go through "rapid-cycle" stages--they seem to go through all 5 stages in a single day. So, I would say that knowing there is time travel as a option would most likely have someone stick in the first three stages--denial, anger, bargaining, without slipping too much into the depression or acceptance. However, like pretty much everything to do with psychology, that can vary tremendously by the person.

That being said though, I would think time travel could complicate things too as that opens the door for "well, we can correct this but we didn't save Tang Shen, etc."

Do I expect Nick to really address all these issues? No, not really but it certainly makes for some interesting consideration for the characters.

So it's more how they are coping then how they are progressing. Like a mixture or something that can't be clearly describe by the stages like survivor's guilt?

[Ulisa]

So it's more how they are coping then how they are progressing. Like a mixture or something that can't be clearly describe by the stages like survivor's guilt?

Progress in guilt is usually defined by how a person's ability to cope and return to normal activities is changing. For example, in the case of a mother who lost her child, for the first few months, she could not return to work, could not find anything enjoyable about her life. As she processed through her grief (by means of addressing what was lost which is not just the person but the relationship, the life she had before, etc.), she was able to slowly do more of her every day things and gradually developed a sense of joy again.

Regarding survivor's guilt, that can get a little complicated. On the one hand, it is a reaction to grief but it is also a reaction to trauma.

Like, for example, when people get angry at something that has happened, they want something to blame, something to explain away WHY this thing has happened because if they cannot explain it away, they remain in a state of heightened anxiety because the world is unsafe. If there is an explanation why this event was the exception, it keeps the idea of the world being fairly "safe" intact.

That is why young children who were abused typically blame themselves. They are at a stage in life where they NEED their parents for food, shelter, etc. but they are experiencing immense pain, be it emotional or physical, from these caregivers. The brain cannot cope with these incongruences so it has to have a reason why the abuse is happening. So, what the brain usually comes up with is--"Oh, it's something I did." hence the self-blame, low self-worth, etc.

In the case of the Turtles, the survivor guilt could be a bit more intense as they have all this training that is supposed to make them strong, dependable warriors. "The reason this happened is because I was not strong enough/quick enough/etc."

[victory_angel]

In the case of the Turtles, the survivor guilt could be a bit more intense as they have all this training that is supposed to make them strong, dependable warriors. "The reason this happened is because I was not strong enough/quick enough/etc."

This is likely going to be Leo. I mean we had angsty Leo before with his injuries. But he is leader so emotionally he has a lot on his shoulders. Such as ensuring the mission is completed, attending to the safety of his followers, the safety of innocent bystanders. And in a way this can tie into some of the moments over those three months the Turtles Spent as the farm house while they waited for Leo to wake up.

Such as April maybe telling Leo about something that happened in the early weeks...Flash Back to Donnie saving Raph's life in Within the Woods, maybe a lesson learned in between such and such episode and somethin, somethin episode.

But then again Leo referenced "Never give up hope" as a lesson that Splinter had taught them as children. So a situation can tie in or reference a moment in their childhood. If Splinter does appear in the upcoming season it would be largely through flash back until they either prevent his death or witness his passing once more.

[shredder orokusaki]

There is something very important that wasnt explained in the episode. Why the Kraang who broke from the hive mind named themsevles Utroms? Also we dont know yet if the kraang are all clones of Kraang Prime or if some of them are normal aliens.

[Ceres]

There is something very important that wasnt explained in the episode. Why the Kraang who broke from the hive mind named themsevles Utroms? Also we dont know yet if the kraang are all clones of Kraang Prime or if some of them are normal aliens.

good question, a very good one indeed. But as i know this series it will probably never mentioned again lol. I also had wished that we could have seen the battle between Bishop and KSP or at least a little explanation about Bishops statement.

[ssjup81]

good question, a very good one indeed. But as i know this series it will probably never mentioned again lol. I also had wished that we could have seen the battle between Bishop and KSP or at least a little explanation about Bishops statement.Never say never. If they somehow reverse what happens, that may mean also bringing the Kraang and Bishop back, I would think.

Who knows, maybe Professor Honeycut will be able to shed some light on the Kraang stuff...even though logically, I kind of doubt it he'd know about the Utroms...

[neatoman]

So I've seen jokes about the destruction of earth proving that Casey's sister is Angel... Is that in bad taste?

[Spirael]

I think sometimes it's easy to forget that while this show has a lot of adult appeal, it's still aimed at children. As someone who watched this episode with my five year old, I'm actually very pleased that they didn't end it with the turtles, April and Casey freaking out at the enormity of it all and sobbing brokenly into each others arms.

The gravity (pun intended...) of the situation was there, but the story was smoothly moved on to lead into the next series and end on a note of adventure. It'd didn't add so much weight to the message of loss that it set young viewers wailing and prompted their parents to go: "Right, no more TMNT for you then-!"

[JH24]

He's a mad man! That was really stupid of Oroku Saki, you think he'd be smarter than that. He would have been able to save Karai and rule the world. Leader of the Foot is as impulsive as a child, tsk tsk. The world was destroyed all because of premature impaling.

Yeah, he's definitely a mad man, or at least to an extent that he let himself be consumed by hatred, at the cost of everything else. If he truly loved Karai, the mere thought of her should have stopped him in his tracks, but he didn't even show any kind of remorse afterwards.

His actions showed he really is a lost cause, and that there's only one way things can end for him. The question is how and/or by whom.

I found Tiger Claws's reaction very interesting. Unlike Shredder he doesn't seem like a lost cause. (yet) He still has a hint of honor left. It's a shame everything will probably be reset in the end, but the potential is there for his character to develop in a later season.

[Luckyday]

Yeah, he's definitely a mad man, or at least to an extent that he let himself be consumed by hatred, at the cost of everything else. If he truly loved Karai, the mere thought of her should have stopped him in his tracks, but he didn't even show any kind of remorse afterwards.

His actions show he's really a lost cause, and that there's only one way things can end for him. The question is how and/or by whom.

I found Tigerclaws's reaction very interesting. Unlike Shredder he doesn't seem like a lost cause. (yet) He still has a hint of honor left. It's a shame everything will probably be reset in the end, but there's definitely a lot of potential for Tigerclaw's character to develop in a later season.

Tigerclaw is and always was a hired gun. He's not there out of loyalty and he's the only one that doesn't seem to be easily intimidated by Shredder.

[old_hob88]

It would be really cool if they do continue with Tigerclaw knowing what the Shredder does, leading to a showdown between the two.

[TigerClaw]

It would be really cool if they do continue with Tigerclaw knowing what the Shredder does, leading to a showdown between the two.
That would be interesting, and seeing TigerClaw switching sides due to Shredder not having any honor.

[NoName999]

^Why are you speaking in third person all of a sudden? :tlol:

[TurFlytle]

That would be interesting, and seeing TigerClaw switching sides due to Shredder not having any honor.

I wouldn't be surprised if he joined the Mighty Mutanimals and basically become even more of the 2012 equivalent of Old Hob. (Both felines and have an eyepatch)

[senpai]

Maybe I'm in denial but even though Splinter was stabbed and sucked into a black hole...I don't think he's dead. Nope. He lives somehow. Woo! A happy ending! :D

[Ceres]

Maybe I'm in denial but even though Splinter was stabbed and sucked into a black hole...I don't think he's dead. Nope. He lives somehow. Woo! A happy ending! :D

Well thanks to the deus ex machina Time-travelling that is to 100% true.

[victory_angel]

Never say never. If they somehow reverse what happens, that may mean also bringing the Kraang and Bishop back, I would think.

Who knows, maybe Professor Honeycut will be able to shed some light on the Kraang stuff...even though logically, I kind of doubt it he'd know about the Utroms...


Who knows maybe he has ties to the Utroms...it seemed to coincidental to have Utrom Bishop scurry away in the beginning of Annihilation while Honeycutt conveniently happens to show up in the nick-of-time and essentially tell the Turtles, April, and Casey to come with him if they want to live.



Yeah, he's definitely a mad man, or at least to an extent that he let himself be consumed by hatred, at the cost of everything else. If he truly loved Karai, the mere thought of her should have stopped him in his tracks, but he didn't even show any kind of remorse afterwards.

His actions showed he really is a lost cause, and that there's only one way things can end for him. The question is how and/or by whom.

I found Tiger Claws's reaction very interesting. Unlike Shredder he doesn't seem like a lost cause. (yet) He still has a hint of honor left. It's a shame everything will probably be reset in the end, but the potential is there for his character to develop in a later season.

That's the difference between Hamato Yoshi and Shredder. Shredder believes that by killing the Hamato Clan, he is cleansing his honor. But in reality with every act he stains his honor further.

The Foot Henchmen all desire the Shredder's favor and they let their petty rivalry's stand in their way of actually getting things done. The Shredder himself doesn't see his followers as people, he sees them as tools and weapons. And if they don't work the way they should he kills them (sort of implied with the human foot soldiers) or threatens them with bodily harm. Even Karai while a much more valuable weapon in his eyes...she is still a weapon. So if he was in a situation where there was only one small closing window to save one of his followers...he'd just save himself.

Hamato Yoshi on the other hand respects each of the Turtles for who they are as people. He doesn't force them to follow his will or mind set. While he wishes they take his teachings to heart, he also lets them absorb things at at their own pace and in their own way.

He encourages them to work together because while each of them is strong on their own, their unity is where their trues strength really lies. And it's because of who they are as people that they were able to make allies they currently all have.


Well thanks to the deus ex machina Time-travelling that is to 100% true.

Keep in mind it could still play out that they could prevent the Triceraton's from destroying the world...but still end up losing Splinter.

[Luckyday]

Keep in mind it could still play out that they could prevent the Triceraton's from destroying the world...but still end up losing Splinter.

Oh I hope this is true! This would be boldest thing that this show has ever done or boldest thing in the entire franchise. Even mirage didn't have the stones to stick by it.

Then again if not handle correctly it could end being a massive cluster**** if the emotions get swept under the rug a little to quickly like other tragedies in this series.

[victory_angel]

Oh I hope this is true! This would be boldest thing that this show has ever done or boldest thing in the entire franchise. Even mirage didn't have the stones to stick by it.

Then again if not handle correctly it could end being a massive cluster**** if the emotions get swept under the rug a little to quickly like other tragedies in this series.

I don't want Splinter to die...but so far it has begun to feel that the Turtles have begun to no longer need Splinter as a teacher. The Turtles themselves are also men grown... or at the age of there lives where teens are thinking about their futures. Such as what their careers would be? where would they be attending college? Do they feel the need to attend college?

Also we have seen Leo training his brothers more and more...Raph taking over training when Leo couldn't

and lastly when this series was originally pitched, Splinter was to have passed away a week or so before the series begins. The only times Splinter would have been shown was in flashback or through memory.

[JTH]

Wait...the world can't blow up!

D*mnit I wanna watch Season 4 of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles!!!

[Skinrash]

Some good points made about Shredder in this thread. He's more sad and pathetic than truly evil now. So obsessed with getting revenge on Splinter it has become his sole reason for existing. Once it is done he is perfectly fine with getting killed or committing suicide. In the unmasked scene he seemed joyless and tired, so the victory didn't even bring him much satisfaction.
Loved Tiger Claw's reaction as well. Didn't expect Shredder to do something so extreme it would even astound someone as ruthless as him.

[Ceres]

I wonder how the Shredder from the FW Cartoon would have handled this xD. In opposite to the current Shredder i think he would take his revenge against Splinter aside to keep the planet in shape because if its destroyed what shall he rule over?

To the Splinter topic, i don't believe that they really let him die. It's a kids show after all and Splinter a main character of it. I don't think Nickelodeon has the balls to do that.

[neatoman]

I wonder how the Shredder from the FW Cartoon would have handled this xD. In opposite to the current Shredder i think he would take his revenge against Splinter aside to keep the planet in shape because if its destroyed what shall he rule over?

Fred Wolf Shredder might have tried to kill Splinter in that instance, but then Splinter would have noticed a piece of cheese on the ground and Shredder would have missed him as he picked the cheese up. this would cause him to stab the control panel instead, stopping the activation and getting him electrocuted in the process. Everyone would then congratulate Shredder while he's delerious and drooling.

[JH24]

Tigerclaw is and always was a hired gun. He's not there out of loyalty and he's the only one that doesn't seem to be easily intimidated by Shredder.

You're right. Tiger Claw is more independent than the rest of Shredder's henchman and I like that about him. He's ruthless, but he's not yet a lost cause like Shredder.

If he doesn't go against Shredder here (timeline will probably be rewinded somehow), there's a chance he may do so in a later season.





That's the difference between Hamato Yoshi and Shredder. Shredder believes that by killing the Hamato Clan, he is cleansing his honor. But in reality with every act he stains his honor further.

The Foot Henchmen all desire the Shredder's favor and they let their petty rivalry's stand in their way of actually getting things done. The Shredder himself doesn't see his followers as people, he sees them as tools and weapons. And if they don't work the way they should he kills them (sort of implied with the human foot soldiers) or threatens them with bodily harm. Even Karai while a much more valuable weapon in his eyes...she is still a weapon. So if he was in a situation where there was only one small closing window to save one of his followers...he'd just save himself.

Hamato Yoshi on the other hand respects each of the Turtles for who they are as people. He doesn't force them to follow his will or mind set. While he wishes they take his teachings to heart, he also lets them absorb things at at their own pace and in their own way.

He encourages them to work together because while each of them is strong on their own, their unity is where their trues strength really lies. And it's because of who they are as people that they were able to make allies they currently all have.




Very well said. I have the same feelings but I would never be able to put them into words as well as you just did. I think you nailed Shredder and Splinter perfectly.


===

This finale made me wonder how exactly they're going to bring back Earth. Reversing time seems like the only option, but they can't just reverse time just before Splinter was killed. Because even if Splinter survives, the Triceratons could just send another black hole generator. I'm almost inclined to think they need to at least rewind time before Zog would activate the beacon or even earlier.

It's a great and very well-written finale, but they need some back-tracking to fix what happened here. And if they do rewind time, wouldn't that render all the turtles' actions/adventures in space useless?

Unless, they can reverse the black hole to "spit" Earth out and put it back together again somehow.

[Noxonius]

I have mixed feelings about this finale. It felt like it was just too much to digest. But meh, it's not that astonishing when you know they'll use time travel to bring everything back to normal. I admit the feels were pretty damn high in this episode, especially with Shredder and Splinter, great great stuff story-wise. But killing off nearly everyone else expect the turtles and their human friends just seemed like a really desperate way to get the audience on the edges of their seats. Granted, it was incredible and surely filled it's purpose, but...Why? Just why would they do something of that magnitude just to say in the next season ''Nah just kidding everything's gonna be like it used to be!'' What an ultimate cop out. I really appreciated all the nods to the previous incarnations tho.

Fred Wolf Shredder might have tried to kill Splinter in that instance, but then Splinter would have noticed a piece of cheese on the ground and Shredder would have missed him as he picked the cheese up. this would cause him to stab the control panel instead, stopping the activation and getting him electrocuted in the process. Everyone would then congratulate Shredder while he's delerious and drooling.

You nailed it bro, this is totally how it would have went if this was the 80's cartoon.

[TurFlytle]

First Donnie dies in IDW, now Splinter dies? What's next? Movie April is (hopefully) going to die?

[TurtleTitan97]

Movie April is (hopefully) going to die?

Oh, if only....:lol:

[Jo X]

Hi Guys!!! I realize that I will need you every time after a new episode...

Here are the points that I do not understand:

1. In E25, when Kraang sub-prime complained about the technodrome: ...oh, bloated one.

and then: Just got to give her some more juice.

What does that mean??? Bloated one, what is it? and some juice??

2. Later when they fought the Triceratons, Mondo said: It's time for Mondo Gecko to open a can of--

Then he hit the hip of a Triceraton and said: oh big feet.

open a can of what?? big feet refers to what?

3. When Mikey was captured and got probed, he said: I don't have the biggest psycho,...

Did he misunderstand psyche and psycho?...and not having the biggest psycho means what?

4. In E26, when the Triceratons set the timer, one said: this planet has mere nextons to live.

I understand that he meant the planet will soon be destroyed, but what is nextons?


Thank you in advance!!

[Skinrash]

4. In E26, when the Triceratons set the timer, one said: this planet has mere nextons to live.

I understand that he meant the planet will soon be destroyed, but what is nextons?


Thank you in advance!!

Their world's equivalent of seconds or minutes.

[TurFlytle]

Hi Guys!!! I realize that I will need you every time after a new episode...

Here are the points that I do not understand:

1. In E25, when Kraang sub-prime complained about the technodrome: ...oh, bloated one.

and then: Just got to give her some more juice.

What does that mean??? Bloated one, what is it? and some juice??

2. Later when they fought the Triceratons, Mondo said: It's time for Mondo Gecko to open a can of--

Then he hit the hip of a Triceraton and said: oh big feet.

open a can of what?? big feet refers to what?

3. When Mikey was captured and got probed, he said: I don't have the biggest psycho,...

Did he misunderstand psyche and psycho?...and not having the biggest psycho means what?

4. In E26, when the Triceratons set the timer, one said: this planet has mere nextons to live.

I understand that he meant the planet will soon be destroyed, but what is nextons?


Thank you in advance!!

Most of these are metaphors and jokes. By the way, there's a thing called Google. Search for a word first before asking.

1. Bloated means swollen, referring to his shape. More juice is a metaphor that means more power.

2. How am I supposed to know? He never says the rest. He was probably going to say a can of worms. Means an unpleasant situation is going to happen. Never heard of any metaphor of big feet. Probably refering to his giant feet?

3. It was a joke. Mikey said "anti-climate" in the previous episode as well as "centerfudge". When Mikey misspells a word, don't take it seriously.

4. Nextons aren't a real time interval. It's a made up word. It's like how the Kraang to refer one or more of them as only Kraang (even for he/she/it) due to their dialect. Or like how British English has different spelling/words from American English saying "colour" instead of color.

[Jo X]

Their world's equivalent of seconds or minutes.

Thank you ^w^

[Jo X]

Most of these are metaphors and jokes. By the way, there's a thing called Google. Search for a word first before asking.

1. Bloated means swollen, referring to his shape. More juice means more power.

2. How am I supposed to know? He never says the rest. He was probably going to say a can of worms. Means an unpleasant situation is going to happen. Never heard of any metaphor of big feet. Probably refering to his giant feet?

3. It was a joke. Mikey said "anti-climate" in the previous episode as well as "centerfudge". When Mikey misspells a word, don't take it seriously.

4. Nextons aren't a real time interval. It's a made up word. It's like how the Kraang to refer one or more of them as only Kraang (even for he/she/it) due to their dialect. Or like how British English has different spelling/words from American English saying "colour" instead of color.

Thank you for the explanation!! Now it is much clearer ^w^

As to the google thing, I did exactly as you said (or maybe even more than you said), but still could not be sure of the meaning of the phrase. I understand the individual words but when they are put together, I am lost....

But as to point 1, why would the sub-prime call it bloated one? Isn't that insulting? Isn't it suppose to respect its boss???

[victory_angel]

2. How am I supposed to know? He never says the rest. He was probably going to say a can of worms. Means an unpleasant situation is going to happen. Never heard of any metaphor of big feet. Probably refering to his giant feet?


Actually Mondo was going to say "I'm gonna open a can of Whoop-ass." And when the the Triceraton's turn on him he says "Uh oh...big feet." As if saying "Uh oh...this is gonna hurt."


But as to point 1, why would the sub-prime call it bloated one? Isn't that insulting? Isn't it suppose to respect its boss???

That's whats refereed to as a sarcastic term of endearment. It's where you take an insult and phase it in a way where it's sounds more like a term of endearment.

There is not to be confused with back handed compliment which is someone saying something nice, but the way it's given is insulting.

[Jo X]

Actually Mondo was going to say "I'm gonna open a can of Whoop-ass." And when the the Triceraton's turn on him he says "Uh oh...big feet." As if saying "Uh oh...this is gonna hurt."



That's whats refereed to as a sarcastic term of endearment. It's where you take an insult and phase it in a way where it's sounds more like a term of endearment.

There is not to be confused with back handed compliment which is someone saying something nice, but the way it's given is insulting.

Thank you so much!!!! Especially the Gecko part, that is what I was wondering...as I experienced, these are usually part of a fixed term...

It all makes sense now ^W^

And...so it seems that Kraang sub-prime has quite a good relationship with Kraang prime? Hahaha

[IronBoomer]

http://i.giphy.com/P53TSsopKicrm.gif

I can't... just....

*Blue Screen of Death*

[Darth Knuckles]

MAJOR SPOILERS (If you haven't seen "Annihilation: Earth!" yet, please don't read!)

I was really impressed with this episode ending the way it did. It was very action heavy and consistent yet very emotional at the end. Shredder killing Splinter on screen was just brutal but I really appreciated that the show got to actually show and do that. I thought this finale was the best one yet of this series and I really enjoyed season two's finale.

The Triceratons were a major threat and blew up Earth for goodness sake! Captain Mozar was great and I really liked Michael Dorn as his voice. A very perfect choice for Mozar. Overall the Nick show really nailed the Triceratons for me. They were a serious threat and really took care of their business mercilessly in the episode.

I loved the debut of the Roadkill Rodneys! That was a very nice addition to The Technodrome scenes. I really liked Bishop and that surprised me. It's neat to have the Utroms be involved in some way in the Nick series as well. With what little of Fugitoid we saw, he seems like he'll be a fun character.

It was also great to see Leatherhead and Slash fight the Triceratons who are such big enemies to fight. And then Splinter convincing Shredder to help fight the Triceratons was great to see. I'm always a sucker for that type of thing in shows or movies. It was great and very interesting to watch while it lasted.

Tiger Claw really did help out, and when I thought about it, he was the only one who had actual experience fighting Triceratons (not including the turtles and maybe Bishop). So it seemed he wanted to fight them to actually help. And I did like his reaction to Shredder's actions at the end. Very interesting that he would question Shredder killing Splinter.

I really liked seeing Shredder and Splinter fighting together against the same enemy. I still can't get over the "moment" though. Shredder killing Splinter in that way, blades through his back. Whoah! Just an amazing episode.

[aliena]

Did I hear Sub-Prime correctly? Did he say in the shake of a Kraang testicle and then laugh and say tentacle? :o I was interrupted right at that moment and since the episode was buffering so much I didn't go back to watch it again. I must have heard him wrong.

[Ceres]

Did I hear Sub-Prime correctly? Did he say in the shake of a Kraang testicle and then laugh and say tentacle? :o I was interrupted right at that moment and since the episode was buffering so much I didn't go back to watch it again. I must have heard him wrong.

lol, no he actually said:

"It needs only two shakes of a tentacle to fix her, just give her some more juice, heh..."

[THGhost]

Holy ***! What an ending!
Spoilers ahead, duh.

Seeing all the Turtles fighting alongside their villains was so awesome. I felt so many emotions during that battle, particularly when Tiger Claw rescued April & Casey. Very typical of Shredder to kill Splinter despite the whole world being destroyed afterwards.
I really cannot wait for the next season so I can hear more of David Tennant's Fugitoid voice, it really impressed me.

[The Turtle Terminator]

That was a good finale. I still prefer the S2 finale tbh tho. But it's time for 13 episodes of Doctor Who and Star Trek jokes!

[JTH]

That was a good finale. I still prefer the S2 finale tbh tho. But it's time for 13 episodes of Doctor Who and Star Trek jokes!
Fugitoid: "My name is Prof. Zayton Honeycutt."

Mikey: "Doctor who?"

Fugitoid: "No no my friend...I'm a Professor, not a doctor."

:D

[SophieDem]

I wonder how many times we're gonna see Splinter die in season finales. But it was tragic. :(.

It was great. More unique and exciting than other season finales and I loved how the creators put every little of everything in it. CaseyxApril, DonniexApril, RaphxApril, LHxMikey and the brothers' bond SplinterxShredder action and TurtlesxSplinter moment. And Slash was with Doc... I just love Corey and Tom together! :D Anyway, I think it was great. As I was watching epsiode 24 today (needed to catch up), I thought somehow the show has just burnt out a little. It didn't have that uplifting vibrance as in season 1 and I really missed that. But in the season finale I received what I had wished for. I'm pretty curious about season 4 but I'll have a to wait a little bit more. Pumped up!

[THGhost]

I'm definitely going to watch this again, but when it's on a site other than Nick's. Of course it's not anyplace yet.

You could watch it... illegally ;) (Don't worry staff, I'm not gonna link to anything)

[Casey]

I have to say I wasn't excited about another Krang invasion, but they upped the stakes and really pulled off and incredible two part episode chocked full of all sorts of new/old TMNT goodness.

[Amaranthus]

I wonder how many times we're gonna see Splinter die in season finales. But it was tragic. :(.

It was great. More unique and exciting than other season finales and I loved how the creators put every little of everything in it. CaseyxApril, DonniexApril, RaphxApril, LHxMikey and the brothers' bond SplinterxShredder action and TurtlesxSplinter moment. And Slash was with Doc... I just love Corey and Tom together! :D Anyway, I think it was great. As I was watching epsiode 24 today (needed to catch up), I thought somehow the show has just burnt out a little. It didn't have that uplifting vibrance as in season 1 and I really missed that. But in the season finale I received what I had wished for. I'm pretty curious about season 4 but I'll have a to wait a little bit more. Pumped up!

RaphxApril and LHxMikey? What?
Raph and April almost never interact? Where'd you get that from?
And Mikey has a crush on Renet. LH and him are just friends. Really close, but still friends.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I think they were referring to interactions, not shipping. As in moments when they are together on screen.

[SophieDem]

I think they were referring to interactions, not shipping. As in moments when they are together on screen.

Yeah, I was. Thanks, Duckie. Shipping doesn't have a place here as I know some people do not really like it. But most of us love interactions I'm sure of that.

[Luckyday]

Yeah, I was. Thanks, Duckie. Shipping doesn't have a place here as I know some people do not really like it. But most of us love interactions I'm sure of that.

Most of interactions currently in the show are very microscopic of maybe two lines of dialogues or just a look or even single action/re-action between two characters. Even when it's a part of the plot of the episode, it's done "let's get this over with" kind of speed to move on to act 2 and 3.

You got to take what you can get.:ohwell:

[Groverman62]

Luckyday why are so angry at the show right now?

[Luckyday]

Luckyday why are so angry at the show right now?

^ I'm not. It is what it is with the show. It's focus on action, story, and character spotlight in that exact order.

[gibbs615]

That Shredder is NOTHING but an INSANE FREAK!:x Tiger Claw HAS been more honorable than he ever was. I do hope that when the turtles change what has happened, tiger claw will realize that Shredder is truly insane and TURN on him.:)

[ssjup81]

That Shredder is NOTHING but an INSANE FREAK!:x Tiger Claw HAS been more honorable than he ever was. I do hope that when the turtles change what has happened, tiger claw will realize that Shredder is truly insane and TURN on him.:)The thing is, is that Tigerclaw already knows that Shredder isn't right. He told Shredder that one time that the Kraang couldn't be trusted and stuff and Shredder was still all like, "Rawr, Splinter!" Okay, maybe not, but he has voiced his opinion before.

[aliena]

Yeah, I was. Thanks, Duckie. Shipping doesn't have a place here as I know some people do not really like it. But most of us love interactions I'm sure of that.

Between you and me, I like shipping the characters. I do realize they have to walk a fine line between giving everyone something they all want and keeping it action orientated. That can't be an easy task, but it sure is fun to play up the interactions sometimes.

If I recall, Raph snatched up April's arm and pulled her away before she could get hurt during that firefight. It was a nice moment of Raph looking after her. I like it when he does that. I think they would make a better couple than April and Donnie do(don't?)

And Mikey and LH, they have so many canon moments that it could easily be perceived as shipping. I would be curious if anyone did a side by side comparison with the way he was with Renet and has been with LH. But Mikey loves openly to anyone he connects with, he has a big heart, so it's hard to tell.

[SophieDem]

Between you and me, I like shipping the characters. I do realize they have to walk a fine line between giving everyone something they all want and keeping it action orientated. That can't be an easy task, but it sure is fun to play up the interactions sometimes.

If I recall, Raph snatched up April's arm and pulled her away before she could get hurt during that firefight. It was a nice moment of Raph looking after her. I like it when he does that. I think they would make a better couple than April and Donnie do(don't?)

And Mikey and LH, they have so many canon moments that it could easily be perceived as shipping. I would be curious if anyone did a side by side comparison with the way he was with Renet and has been with LH. But Mikey loves openly to anyone he connects with, he has a big heart, so it's hard to tell.


I like shipping as well, don't get me wrong, but it is a topic people are sensitive about and I didn't want to start an argument. Frankly, I've always loved those little situations that bring two characters closer from any kind of point of view. Brothers, friends, lovers, whatever.

Raphael saving April meant only that he cares about her as much as he cares about his brothers or Casey. In my opinion, he didn't really warm up to her at first like the others did - he needed time. It is just good to see how their relationship developed.

I think Mikey is just like that - Mikey. :lol: I think Leatherhead is always going to be important to him. At least, he was one of the first creatures he had encountered outside of the sewers and who he saved. I never thought of Crocodile-man and Party Dude as a dating material. There are differences between the action towards Renet and Leatherhead. BUT it's another topic.

[swing_kinker]

What a brilliant series this is. Loved the finale, they've landed some great writers who tread the hardest line in writing.....making it appeal to kids and adults alike.

[IronBoomer]

Okay, I think I can finally process this.

Lemme say this first
CIRO NEILI, YOU MAGNIFICENT BASTARD, I WATCHED YOUR SHOW!

Now that's out of the way, this episode was... unexpected, in the best of ways. The last two season finales have always been game changers for the series, but I didn't know how much they could outdo repeating Leonardo #1 in S2's finale.

And then we see why this is one of the most sociopathic Shredders in existence and that is saying something. Sure, the Fred Wolf Shredder in Generation 1 was more of a goofball, and C'hrell in 4Kids' Generation 2 was a major villain, but even then he knew how to make team up deal for mutual survival. This Shredder is ...almost beyond the pale. The world can burn, even his daughter, if it means he can kill a man who was once as close as his brother.

Given the last time Splinter was killed off suddenly without warning - (i.e. Mirage), fan reaction was less than stellar, I am surprised at they'd go that far, even if we all know Time Travel's already been introduced and this will likely be undone.

Just ...still, hearing Mikey cry like that.
MY FEEELS.
*ded*



Also, Casey? You're a dip. Season 4 better begin with April or one of the boys losing their temper and beating the crap out of Casey for saying "This is awesome"

[MsMarvelDuckie]

^ This, so much.


Yeah, I was. Thanks, Duckie. Shipping doesn't have a place here as I know some people do not really like it. But most of us love interactions I'm sure of that.


NP. Actually, there are more of us who like it than you might think from the general atmosphere of the boards. Most just don't trumpet it to the general fan-base.


Between you and me, I like shipping the characters. I do realize they have to walk a fine line between giving everyone something they all want and keeping it action orientated. That can't be an easy task, but it sure is fun to play up the interactions sometimes.

If I recall, Raph snatched up April's arm and pulled her away before she could get hurt during that firefight. It was a nice moment of Raph looking after her. I like it when he does that. I think they would make a better couple than April and Donnie do(don't?)

And Mikey and LH, they have so many canon moments that it could easily be perceived as shipping. I would be curious if anyone did a side by side comparison with the way he was with Renet and has been with LH. But Mikey loves openly to anyone he connects with, he has a big heart, so it's hard to tell.


Couldn't agree more.


I like shipping as well, don't get me wrong, but it is a topic people are sensitive about and I didn't want to start an argument. Frankly, I've always loved those little situations that bring two characters closer from any kind of point of view. Brothers, friends, lovers, whatever.

Raphael saving April meant only that he cares about her as much as he cares about his brothers or Casey. In my opinion, he didn't really warm up to her at first like the others did - he needed time. It is just good to see how their relationship developed.

I think Mikey is just like that- Mikey. :lol: I think Leatherhead is always going to be important to him. At least, he was one of the first creatures he had encountered outside of the sewers and who he saved. I never thought of Crocodile-man and Party Dude as a dating material. There are differences between the action towards Renet and Leatherhead. BUT it's another topic.


You know, I'd almost like to see a Mikey/LH ship now, just for the absurdity of it, LOL! Maybe I'll go write one.... Or not. I dunno, I've been playing around with some things I don't usually do lately, so- meh, it could happen.

[Skinrash]

Just ...still, hearing Mikey cry like that.
MY FEEELS.
*ded*

Indeed. First time a TMNT episode has almost made me cry, very powerful stuff.

[Teddy]

Wow, epic finale!! Although, knowing that they will clearly go back in time at some point to save the world kind of takes away from the shock of Splinter being killed and the earth being destroyed. *shrugs* Still, a really awesome episode! So excited to see the Fugitoid at the end there. :)

Now, when does Season 4 start??

[Vicky82]

IGN review up

9.7 :D

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2015/09/27/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-annihilation-earth-review

[Coola Yagami]

And do.... Splinter died. Kinda epic, but if they didn't blow up the rest of the world and kill off the whole cast, it wouldn't have been so obvious that he's coming back.

So.... Bishop was reduced to being a lowly Kraang huh?

[Ninturtle]

So.... Bishop was reduced to being a lowly Kraang huh?

No he wasn't .

[Coola Yagami]

No he wasn't .

That's what I saw. What else did he do? Offhand he seemed like a 'good guy Kraang' and he was the exact same model as the other human disguise Kraangs but with shades.

[Ninturtle]

That's what I saw. What else did he do? Offhand he seemed like a 'good guy Kraang' and he was the exact same model as the other human disguise Kraangs but with shades.

He's an Utrom which are a group that broke away from the Kraang hive mind. The Kraang copied his humanoid robot design.

[IndigoErth]

Now that I finally got to see this thing... :D:ohwell::(

WTF Shredder. Seriously, when everything, I assume, inevitably somehow returns eventually and people are ok and they see Shredder again, take his ass and sell him to aliens for torturous experimentation. Just when you think it's cool to actually see that team up... nope, never mind, he's the same egomaniacal psychopath he always was. (But maybe down the road this will make some of his minions abandon him...)

Anyhow... pretty good for another season finale! Esp when the invasion finale plot started looking a bit redundant.

Interesting take on Bishop being an Utrom. Not sure how into I am with the execution, but had me grinning though because I'd wondered probably a year ago if maybe the Kraang we knew were a rogue group of bad ones and if MAYBE there were other good ones out there. Ok... I was close, Nick, so the good ones are the small group that broke away from the rest. :D (And maybe like 2003 they'll be involved in saving Splinter.)

I kinda hope Sub-Prime really is Bishop's actual brother... lol

[snake]

Anyone know when season 4 starts?

[Ninturtle]

Anyone know when season 4 starts?

It starts October 25th.

[Tazi]

This was epic!
While the show will likely never be my overall favourite version of TMNT, this two episodes were definitely among the best outputs of the whole frenchise. :)

[ranger_scout]

That really was quite a season finale. I don't think I've ever seen episode of a cartoon like that one since the Dragon Ball Z episode, 'End of Earth'. As I pointed out in another thread, it all makes sense why Hoon Lee, the voice of Splinter, is doing The King and I on Broadway starting this Tuesday. When he learned that Splinter would die, he figured he could go to New York and play the lead in a Broadway musical while the fourth season happens.

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/06/18/a-pair-of-kings-will-succeed-ken-watanabe-in-the-king-and-i/?_r=0

[OrangeNinja1987]

9.0
I don't know what to say.
Well, I'll start off saying that I didn't enjoy the first episode of this finale too much, but the second part was pretty incredible. Very fast-paced. I loved the action scenes and the fighting. I'm 50/50 on Bishop, maybe because I just reached the part in 2k3 where Bishop is introduced (I'm watching 2k3 for the first time) and I really did like him in that. It's pretty soon for me to see his character completely shifted, if this can even be called Bishop.
This season finale doesn't really beat the one of S2 for me but it's close. For most of it I felt like "Well, that moment was cool" followed by "Now why did that dumb thing have to happen?" until the awesome count-down scene where Splinter got stabbed. The imagery was amazing, the music was intense, everything was perfect. The reactions seemed genuine, until they kind of ebbed in believability once in Honeycutt's ship. Because of this I love Shredder even more as a villain. There's nothing he won't do, the mad man. Please, don't kill him off for a long time, but eventually he will meet his consequences!
Seriously, this version of Shredder is my favorite TMNT villain ever.
Mikey was annoying but helpful. I wanted to punch Casey at the end. I know he said "This is awesome" to make a happy ending for the little, little kids (who shouldn't be watching this version of TMNT if they can't handle sad moments yet) but why couldn't Fugitoid be the one to lift the mood? He could have said a joke or something or try to make the turtles smile, but instead Casey forgot everything that had just happened.
I don't really have much else to say. The little details on this episode were great, the ending was intense and by far the best part, some things were unnecessary (i.e. Raph's throwing up joke, Mikey's grating constant screaming) and some necessary things weren't shown (more genuine reactions to the aftermath).

[BubblyShell22]

So I've finally seen the finale. My heart is in pieces! Splinter's dead, and it was as sad as I thought it would be. I cried when it happened and when I told my mom about it, she said, "He'll be back. Don't worry." But despite that, most of the finale was good and I loved the backstory on the Kraang and Triceraton feud. Bishop was awesome, and I love this new take on him as well as most of the other stuff that was featured.

My biggest issues were Casey acting like the ship adventure was awesome when his family is gone. That just grated on my nerves a bit, but I can see why they did that as they didn't want to leave it at a total downer like last season's finale.'

My other issue was April hurling that psychic blast at Shredder. Here's a man who the Turtles, Splinter, and even the Mutanimals can't beat, and yet they have April using a psychic blast to knock him away? No, just no. If that's not proof that she's a Mary Sue, then I don't know what is because Shredder isn't even associated with the Kraang and is a human, so she shouldn't be able to do that no matter how much in distress she is. So, that's definitely one of my biggest issues with this finale.

Other than that, the rest of it was fine, and I can't wait to see how this is resolved. Also loved David Tennant as The Fugitoid and can't wait to see more of him in the coming season. Bring on season 4!

[Shark_Blade]

Aside from Casey's stupidass "THIS IS AWESOME!!" comment, I have no qualms with the finale.

[JTH]

Aside from Casey's stupidass "THIS IS AWESOME!!" comment, I have no qualms with the finale.

Hogwash!

THE EARTH IS GONE!

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[victory_angel]

My biggest issues were Casey acting like the ship adventure was awesome when his family is gone. That just grated on my nerves a bit, but I can see why they did that as they didn't want to leave it at a total downer like last season's finale.'

Casey tends to live in the moment and uses other things going on around him to distract him from heavier stuff going on.

Such as in Deadly Venom where April was saying some concerns she had and Casey was too busy gushing about the movie to pay her any mind. And then when he's leaving he reveals he was listening to April the entire time.

So when he's saying "This is so COOL!" He's using the notion that they are going on an adventure in outer space to distract himself from the heavy notion that his father and sister are dead. In other words he is in denial the first of the five stages of grief.

My other issue was April hurling that psychic blast at Shredder. Here's a man who the Turtles, Splinter, and even the Mutanimals can't beat, and yet they have April using a psychic blast to knock him away? No, just no. If that's not proof that she's a Mary Sue, then I don't know what is because Shredder isn't even associated with the Kraang and is a human, so she shouldn't be able to do that no matter how much in distress she is. So, that's definitely one of my biggest issues with this finale.

It would be Mary Sueish if she intentionally sent a psychic blast as the Shredder which in turn shorts out the 'Heart of Darkness' and miraculously resurrected Splinter.

A Mary Sue isn't just someone who is perfect, a Mary Sue is someone who is perfect to the point where they are not challenged by the narrative.

Majority of the time, April can't control her powers aside from her psychic sense. Other then that, her powers only manifest themselves when she is under physical and or emotional duress. When April uses her psychic powers in this instance, it is an emotional reaction to the fact Splinter has just been murdered.

[AT-Man]

Splinter should stay dead, even if they time travel everything else back to normal.

[matteso586]

Do you think that Bishop's suit is not the only thing that The Kraang copied? How else would they copy the Real Mrs. O'Neil's memories for the experimental clone that they deemed too dangerous.

[Meliwen]

Splinter should stay dead, even if they time travel everything else back to normal.
As much as I adore Splinter in this show, I wouldn't mind if that happened at all. It'll certainly shake up the status quo and allow for some interesting changes. My only fear for that would be that Karai wouldn't get proper closure of some sort with Splinter.

Splinter was the only one who wasn't killed by the black hole. If they stop that from happening and save everyone from being killed by the black hole in the first place, perhaps it wouldn't apply to Splinter since he died by other means.

[Vicky82]

When the turtles will stop the Triceratons and heart of darkness, I expect the turtles will be returned to a point in time inbetween the episodes The Fourfold Trap and Dinosaur Seen in the Sewers so another story will happen

The Turtles, April and Casey probably won't remember anything from the final and everything they do in space because they will be changing time by stopping the Triceratons coming to earth and even destroying earth so that means everything will change.

Splinter will live because the Triceratons will never come to earth and Splinter won't go and ask Shredder for help because the turtles will be changing time but Splinter could end up dieing anyway but by some other way maybe in the season 4 final.

[Meliwen]

When the turtles will stop the Triceratons and heart of darkness, I expect the turtles will be returned to a point in time inbetween the episodes The Fourfold Trap and Dinosaur Seen in the Sewers so another story will happen
If they returned to that point in time, wouldn't there be another set of turtles running around?

I don't think normal time travel will work here. In Take of the Yokai, the turtles returned to their timeline after they originally left to go time traveling, and never had the chance to run into their past selves. And since they were always meant to go back in time, they didn't actually change anything in their timeline.

This time, I feel like they need to make a whole new timeline or something without themselves in it (somehow), so that when they return they aren't displacing themselves. (Unless this is what you meant, in which case 'd agree with you.) With normal time travel they'll just run into themselves again since they'll be returning to a point in time when their old selves haven't left with the Fugitoid and so are still doing whatever they've been doing.

But of course I know nothing about time travel, so I could be wrong on all counts. :P


The Turtles, April and Casey probably won't remember anything from the final and everything they do in space because they will be changing time by stopping the Triceratons coming to earth and even destroying earth so that means everything will change.
That actually really sucks for Raph. :lol: He'll have forgotten all about Mona. Not to mention the rest of the characters too since it feels like they'll learn a lot in space, especially considering they have Splinter's death and the earth's destruction hanging over their heads.

Personally I'm not a fan of any story that require the characters to forget what they've done; it really seems like it takes away any chance for any development that could have resulted from their journeys. Like with Optimus Prime/Orion Pax in Tranformers Prime. He forgot all about his Decepticon adventures, and thus never grew from that experience, which was a big disappointment because that was exciting, but it felt like it was treated as unimportant by the show and things simply moved on.

Splinter will live because the Triceratons will never come to earth and Splinter won't go and ask Shredder for help because the turtles will be changing time but Splinter could end up dieing anyway but by some other way maybe in the season 4 final.
If he does still live even after the turtles fix things, I'm not against him dying again. But of course that means he needs to die twice and now that I think about it I'm not sure if the show would do that.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Did anyone see the teleport thing as a reference to the Archie where they used the timeslip to teleport from the Stratoray spaceraft into Malinga's hive (just in time before getting shot by Malinga's fighter spaceraft).

http://tmntentity.blogspot.se/2012/05/tmnt-adventures-57.html

[the_soub]

While Splinter is virtually a lock to come back, I'd love to see the following:

The Turtles find someway to change time (Renet or wormhole), but ultimately have to decide between saving the planet and saving Splinter.

The world is saved, but Splinter still gets stabbed by Shredder.

The Turtles could then have one last chance to say their goodbyes before Splinter actually dies.

[cryan]

Wow, just... wow. :teek: really surprised they showed the episode on a Monday. Yahh for having the day off but yeah very shocking to off Splinter.

[JTH]

If they returned to that point in time, wouldn't there be another set of turtles running around?

I don't think normal time travel will work here. In Take of the Yokai, the turtles returned to their timeline after they originally left to go time traveling, and never had the chance to run into their past selves. And since they were always meant to go back in time, they didn't actually change anything in their timeline.

They wouldn't be time traveling, simply reversing time. Ala Superman: The Movie, which would also be why there wouldn't be another set of turtles or April/Casey, being on the ship would protect them from the wake of the time vortex. Therefore they wouldn't change while everything on Earth would.

[cryan]

Well there goes April's dad as well.

[BubblyShell22]

Sorry, VA, but I have to disagree with you on April. The thing before was that her powers were activated because of the Kraang since she's part Kraang. Shredder isn't a Kraang so there should have been no reason for her to do that despite how she witnessed Splinter's death. She shouldn't have been able to do that anyway and shouldn't have had the right to. That right should have gone to the Turtles, not her. She's a Mary Sue because Mary Sues often also best the villains, and that's what she did.

[Vicky82]

Sorry, VA, but I have to disagree with you on April. The thing before was that her powers were activated because of the Kraang since she's part Kraang. Shredder isn't a Kraang so there should have been no reason for her to do that despite how she witnessed Splinter's death. She shouldn't have been able to do that anyway and shouldn't have had the right to. That right should have gone to the Turtles, not her. She's a Mary Sue because Mary Sues often also best the villains, and that's what she did.

April did not defeat Shredder she just pushed him away using her powers and anyway, Shredder defeated himself by suicide.

[Zak The Neutrino]

I loved the episode. That was a great finale. I can't wait to see how they end up bringing back the earth once their battle in space is done. Can we see some Neutrinos already though? Come on.

[Luckyday]

It's kind of weird that there were no mention of Neutrinos at comic con but what if the reason why they didn't mention because their existence is really spoiler heavy and connected to one of the main characters like how they didn't mention that Karai was going to get mutated.

But still toys would have hinted something.:ohwell:

[victory_angel]

Sorry, VA, but I have to disagree with you on April. The thing before was that her powers were activated because of the Kraang since she's part Kraang. Shredder isn't a Kraang so there should have been no reason for her to do that despite how she witnessed Splinter's death. She shouldn't have been able to do that anyway and shouldn't have had the right to. That right should have gone to the Turtles, not her. She's a Mary Sue because Mary Sues often also best the villains, and that's what she did.


Most of the times where she does use her powers she is under physical duress.

During the times she us consciously using using her powers, they easily take form. But when April struggles against her powers it causes her pain.

If you look at the way she clutches at her head like it's about to explode before she gives that psychic blast in the season finally she is clearly trying to fight the power from erupting.

And there have been there have been times where the she has used her powers in situations where she isn't near the Kraang.

For example

During the Within the Woods there is a moment where she runs headlong into the Creep and looks at him with a frightened look. Then the next shot we see her groaning with pain as she arrives at the farm house. There isn't a moment where she was shown getting away from the Creep so it's plausible that while she is unconscious she sends an astral projection to warn Leo they were all in trouble.

Mom thing again (not really part of the Kraang, though Kraang related) she uses her powers, but under great duress because her friends had all been swallowed by Mom thing and she was going to have the same fate.

She consciously uses her powers to tap into the Psyche of each of the Turtles to try and get them to wake up, and later does the same thing to help restore Splinters mind.

And in Pig and Rino, there is a moment where she senses Bebop when he's sneaking up on Donnie and herself.

[JTH]

Most of the times where she does use her powers she is under physical duress.

During the times she us consciously using using her powers, they easily take form. But when April struggles against her powers it causes her pain.

If you look at the way she clutches at her head like it's about to explode before she gives that psychic blast in the season finally she is clearly trying to fight the power from erupting.

And there have been there have been times where the she has used her powers in situations where she isn't near the Kraang.

For example

During the Within the Woods there is a moment where she runs headlong into the Creep and looks at him with a frightened look. Then the next shot we see her groaning with pain as she arrives at the farm house. There isn't a moment where she was shown getting away from the Creep so it's plausible that while she is unconscious she sends an astral projection to warn Leo they were all in trouble.

Mom thing again (not really part of the Kraang, though Kraang related) she uses her powers, but under great duress because her friends had all been swallowed by Mom thing and she was going to have the same fate.

She consciously uses her powers to tap into the Psyche of each of the Turtles to try and get them to wake up, and later does the same thing to help restore Splinters mind.

And in Pig and Rino, there is a moment where she senses Bebop when he's sneaking up on Donnie and herself.
You could make a case though in all those examples where Kraang influenced. Her "Mom" was created by Kraang and all mutants are created by mutagen, Kraang based if you buy the theory that Kraathatrogon is Kraang related. So in essence, those examples still tie in to Kraang relations.

And in the last ex. that really was more because as April put it, she sensed him because "He wouldn't shut up."

[victory_angel]

And in the last ex. that really was more because as April put it, she sensed him because "He wouldn't shut up."


He only starts yapping after he initially struck. When they are leaving the cleaners April starts to call Leo to let him know that Karai wasn't there when she gasps in pain. When Donnie asks her whats wrong she says "I sense we are being watched." And the two ready themselves for their attacker all the while we see Bebops prints sneaking up behind Donnie and striking him and then Bebop starts taunting them giving away his location.

[JTH]

He only starts yapping after he initially struck. When they are leaving the cleaners April starts to call Leo to let him know that Karai wasn't there when she gasps in pain. When Donnie asks her whats wrong she says "I sense we are being watched." And the two ready themselves for their attacker all the while we see Bebops prints sneaking up behind Donnie and striking him and then Bebop starts taunting them giving away his location.
Alright, gotcha. But still, being mutated, he has mutagenic blood, mutagen based, thus is still Kraang influenced was the point I initially meant.

[SkolNation26]

Saw this on YouTube and thought it would be appreciated here. Courtesy of "TMNTFreaken"

http://youtu.be/bA5vrUuh8wc

[SkolNation26]

This one is a little more of a feel good video. This person does a really nice job with these! Again courtesy of TMNTFreaken on YouTube.

[cryan]

Someone mentioned Dr Who.When Honeycuts ship showed up reminded me of Hitchhiker Guide to the Galaxy.Amazed noone got that.

[shredder orokusaki]

Splinter should stay dead, even if they time travel everything else back to normal.

Yes. HE MUST STAY DEAD!! It took me so many years to kill him! And i won! He must never come back.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Okay, so after two days of trying to get to find a site where the video would actually PLAY, I have just finished watching the finale- and WOW! This was one of, if not the BEST episodes yet! So great to hear Dorn's voice, and seeing Slash, Leatherhead, and even the bad guys helping fight the Triceratons. That last battle was awesome, right up until Shredder ruined everything over his petty feud. THAT'S some low sh*t right there. "The world can be destroyed for all I care...." Shredder, you're an idiot. A psycho idiot at that. Yeah, let's LOOK at what you just won, pal! :teek::trolleye::tmad::tgrumble:

Also, in total agreement that Casey is also a moron. You just saw the world get sucked into a black hole, and that's the first thing you can say?! And why did Fugitoid think that hot cocoa would make it better? Um, other than the very end, it was a cool episode, and I loved the fight with Bishop at the beginning. So Matrix! And am I the only one who got an Independence Day vibe with the Triceraton ship's beam? Or a weird feeling of deja vu with the Triceraton fighter ships looking suspiciously like something out of Space Invaders?

[ssjup81]

Yes. HE MUST STAY DEAD!! It took me so many years to kill him! And i won! He must never come back.But you're dead too... :-P

[Shark_Blade]

He's too consumed by his revenge he forgets he's dead too. :P

[Prototype]

And am I the only one who got an Independence Day vibe with the Triceraton ship's beam?

I definitely got a strong Independence Day-vibe :P

[shredder orokusaki]

He's too consumed by his revenge he forgets he's dead too. :P

As i said already the Kraang saved me. I am now in Dimension X with them.

[victory_angel]

Then explain why you are being sucked into the void in this image...hmmm


http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b109/victory_angel/Lost%20in%20the%20void_zpst2jyiz78.jpg

[ShelleyQuick]

The animation in this episode blew me away. I really liked it. Still not over Splinter. I love Master Splinter, especially 2012:(. Still awesome finale.

[BubblyShell22]

Then explain why you are being sucked into the void in this image...hmmm


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Image isn't showing up, VA. And he won't listen to you guys because he's delusional and really needs to go to the loony bin.

And as for April, we'll just have to agree to disagree. I still say she's a Mary Sue and stand by that.

[Klunk1234]

Casey is in denial. He doesn't want to accept that the Earth is gone. I can't believe they actually show Master Splinter's death. I'm still in shock over that scene... and Mikey crying so hard. Poor boys and April! Remind me of the shocking and heartbreaking scene of the IDW TMNT comics infamous issue #44.