Season 4 Discussion Thread

[Vicky82]

Ok guys Season 3 is finished and Season 4 should start in late October. So not to clog up the Season 4 Official Info Thread (when I do one). Discuss everything here from latest news, speculation and rumors.

So discuss away :D

Also can the mods sticky this thread please.

[neatoman]

Well, let's go over what we do know:


The first 13 episodes will be set in space. I'm assuming the latter 7 won't.
We know alien salamanders, Dregg and Armaggon will show up.
We know time travel will be involved.


As for what we can speculate on, I'm assuming the Utroms will play a larger part but I don't want to assume too much yet.

[Haalix]

Crognard finale foreshadowing Splinter's death. And Mikey rewinding the tape so Crognard wins means Renet sending them back in time so Splinter and the earth will survive.

[Vicky82]

Ok Season 4 is not starting on Oct 4th.

http://tvschedule.zap2it.com/tv/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles/EP01589323?aid=tvschedule

and guessing that NYCC will have a exclusive preview at the TMNT panel on Oct 8th, I doubt it will start on Oct 11th

[snake]

Renet is gonna help the earth come back, I'm sure of it.

[TigerClaw]

Crognard finale foreshadowing Splinter's death. And Mikey rewinding the tape so Crognard wins means Renet sending them back in time so Splinter and the earth will survive.
I was thinking that too, I'm sure Renet knows about this timeline and comes back to make sure the earth is still saved.

After what happened with the season final, I wonder what the next episode will be like, Maybe Mona Lisa shows up in the next episode? Who knows, the Turtles are gonna need some new alleys while in space.

[evan2000]

The title of the first episode is "Beyond the Known Universe" according to the book

Also; it says the it's based on the teleplays "Annihilation: Earth! Part 1" Annihilation: Earth! Part 2" and "Beyond the Known Universe" by Brandon Auman.

[IndigoErth]

So no known start date yet other than "late October"?

Phooy, what happened to it starting immediately after season 3 ends. Now I'm afraid "late October" may point to the 25th... leaving me to question how to gently get out of something so I don't miss a cartoon (of which would probably be insulting to people if they knew I skipped something for a cartoon - though I have not promised to attend, but likely still expected) because darn Nick apparently hates to re-air new TMNT episodes. :tmad::tsad: Had hoped it would start right away two weekends from now and then hit it's hiatus in late Oct... (How to get out of the 25th if need be... :ohwell:)

[TLP]

More new female characters than just Mona Liza too! :D

http://tmnt.tumblr.com/post/129292726023/are-there-going-to-be-more-girl-characters-in

[Powder]

Unless he's referring to Mona.

(Personally I'd love to see Maligna as Dregg's queen...)

[Luckyday]

More new female characters than just Mona Liza too! :D

http://tmnt.tumblr.com/post/129292726023/are-there-going-to-be-more-girl-characters-in

Wonder what characters will they be?

Could be April's mom
Probably more likely Minae Noji's character
And there always the neutrinos

Or maybe one of Mona Lisa's clan members with a two minute dialogue appearance.

Unless he's referring to Mona.

(Personally I'd love to see Maligna as Dregg's queen...)

Dregg is a crime boss in this version so it's not likely.

[Powder]

Minae Noji was Tang Shen, though.

[Luckyday]

Minae Noji was Tang Shen, though.

It was mention in Black Nerd's video that she is voicing another character.

[Powder]

Ah, I see. I haven't been keeping up on official info these last few weeks 'cause I didn't wanna get spoiled on the finale (& somehow I managed to come out successfully, thank God).

[Foombamaroom]

I like the idea of her voicing a Neutrino because I'd love to see the Neutrinos, if done properly.

[Luckyday]

I like the idea of her voicing a Neutrino because I'd love to see the Neutrinos, if done properly.

Well with their record being of 9 out of 10, if there is any show that do a unique spin on a old character, it's these guys.

[CyberCubed]

Dregg is a crime boss in this version so it's not likely.

He's still "Lord" Dregg. Just because he deals in crime doesn't mean he probably won't have an empire. I can see the Technogang being little bug worshippers he summons against the Turtles.

[Powder]

So how do we all feel about April & Casey being along for the space arc? I was excited to see a Mirage story get taken on but having those two involved definitely switches things up a bit. It's too early to say whether or not they'll be a hindrance or beneficial addition but I'm curious to see how that'll play out. I mean, they must have some sort of significant role to fill beyond just being there for the ride or to assure fans that at least 2 of their friends aren't dead. Given April's psychic outburst I suppose that whole thing may come into play for those 13 episodes.

[Meliwen]

I'm hoping we find out a bit more about April's family's history.

[CyberCubed]

So how do we all feel about April & Casey being along for the space arc? I was excited to see a Mirage story get taken on but having those two involved definitely switches things up a bit. It's too early to say whether or not they'll be a hindrance or beneficial addition but I'm curious to see how that'll play out. I mean, they must have some sort of significant role to fill beyond just being there for the ride or to assure fans that at least 2 of their friends aren't dead. Given April's psychic outburst I suppose that whole thing may come into play for those 13 episodes.

I honestly wonder if they kept them because they didn't want to show them "killed off" so to speak.

[Cure]

I'm OK with it. I like the turtles hanging out with them, as long as it's not TOO much about them.

[CyberCubed]

So does anyone else assume they'll use Renet and her time travel scepter to undo the events of the Season 3 finale? I can see the Turtles traveling back in time right at the spot where they know Shredder attacks Splinter, then quickly disarm the bomb that set the world to explode and then travel back to the present.

This likely won't happen until the end of the 13 ep space arc though. Unless Renet appears in space...

[TigerClaw]

So does anyone else assume they'll use Renet and her time travel scepter to undo the events of the Season 3 finale? I can see the Turtles traveling back in time right at the spot where they know Shredder attacks Splinter, then quickly disarm the bomb that set the world to explode and then travel back to the present.

This likely won't happen until the end of the 13 ep space arc though. Unless Renet appears in space...
I can see Renet showing up at the end of the space arc, to help the turtles save earth.

It's obvious that she knows about the future, so she probably knew this would happen, then goes to meet up with them to make sure they succeed.

[Turtle-X]

So how do we all feel about April & Casey being along for the space arc? I was excited to see a Mirage story get taken on but having those two involved definitely switches things up a bit. It's too early to say whether or not they'll be a hindrance or beneficial addition but I'm curious to see how that'll play out. I mean, they must have some sort of significant role to fill beyond just being there for the ride or to assure fans that at least 2 of their friends aren't dead. Given April's psychic outburst I suppose that whole thing may come into play for those 13 episodes.

i was wondering the same. Casey proved pretty useless against the Triceratons.

[Toadtrooper]

So how do we all feel about April & Casey being along for the space arc?

I feel that they're teenagers and if they're not thinking that they can do it in places that no other person has ever done it, the show does not know teenagers.

I mean, Megan Fox's April O'Neil would know what's up...

[Robsteady84]

The title of the first episode is "Beyond the Known Universe" according to the book

Please don't all bite my head off at once...but what is the book everyone keeps referring to?

[cookie jar]

Please don't all bite my head off at once...but what is the book everyone keeps referring to?
Junior novel "Mutants in Space".
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=53027
This is the thread where you can find the discussion about the book.

[victory_angel]

I feel that they're teenagers and if they're not thinking that they can do it in places that no other person has ever done it, the show does not know teenagers.

I mean, Megan Fox's April O'Neil would know what's up...

I don't think sex is on April's mind at all. Even this episode where she's happily implying that she has chosen Casey...(at least that's the case right now. No official word as of yet) I doubt copulation is on her mind. And its a stereotype to believe that is all teens are thinking about is getting laid.

Whats on the mind of all of them is "What happens now?" because they are the only survivors of their planet, everything they know and loved is gone, and they are being sent on a journey into the unknown. The only thing they really do know is they only have each other to depend on to make the best of a bad situation.

[cookie jar]

I don't think sex is on April's mind at all. Even this episode where she's happily implying that she has chosen Casey...(at least that's the case right now. No official word as of yet) I doubt copulation is on her mind. And its a stereotype to believe that is all teens are thinking about is getting laid.

Whats on the mind of all of them is "What happens now?" because they are the only survivors of their planet, everything they know and loved is gone, and they are being sent on a journey into the unknown. The only thing they really do know is they only have each other to depend on to make the best of a bad situation.

I'm not really sure how the love triangle is going to play out during the space arc, but this scene is from the book.

April zipped up a yellow jumpsuit and aimed a blaster.
"Wow...," Donnie murmured.
"Looking good, Red!" Casey said enthusiastically.
April frowned. "Okay, you guys are creeping me out."

This will happen in "Beyond the Known Universe", unless the scene is cut out.

[drgon78]

I am all for more female characters...
April's mom.
the Neutrinos.
more female mutants.
Renet.
some female aliens.
unknown.

[old_hob88]

So does anyone else assume they'll use Renet and her time travel scepter to undo the events of the Season 3 finale? I can see the Turtles traveling back in time right at the spot where they know Shredder attacks Splinter, then quickly disarm the bomb that set the world to explode and then travel back to the present.

This likely won't happen until the end of the 13 ep space arc though. Unless Renet appears in space...

I see something exactly like that happening. Hopefully it's done well. I'm hoping they save it for the season 4 finale though, so that we get roughly 18 eps of the turtles adventuring through time and space. It'll be like the turtles meet Dr. Who, which is something I didn't realize I wanted until the end of the season 3 finale.

[Foombamaroom]

They're not waiting until the season finale to restore the Earth, though. They're probably gonna make it the mid-season finale. The show is allowed to have two 2 parters, so restoring the Earth will probably be in the middle of the season, just like how Battle for New York was in the middle of the season. The reason I say this is because we know that the Mutant Task Force is going to be in Season 4.

Also, I feel like they're saving the Turtles vs. Shredder for the series finale, which is why we haven't really gotten any progress in the story besides Karai so far.

[Vicky82]

So if this space arc is 13 episode, i'm guessing it will finish in late March/early April depending how many breaks it's going to have.

Then maybe after the space arc, there probably be 4 more episodes of this new arc and then a over 2 month hiatus because of the 2nd movie.

[Luckyday]

The reason I say this is because we know that the Mutant Task Force is going to be in Season 4.


What is that and where have you heard this from?

[VaughnMichael]

(Personally I'd love to see Maligna as Dregg's queen...)
Many of us would! This series needs more Archie love.

[Icebot]

I wonder if we'll see planet D'Hoonib and the Federation during the 13 space episodes.

The Fugitoid already appeared in season 3.

[Chris]

They're not waiting until the season finale to restore the Earth, though. They're probably gonna make it the mid-season finale. The show is allowed to have two 2 parters, so restoring the Earth will probably be in the middle of the season, just like how Battle for New York was in the middle of the season. The reason I say this is because we know that the Mutant Task Force is going to be in Season 4.

Also, I feel like they're saving the Turtles vs. Shredder for the series finale, which is why we haven't really gotten any progress in the story besides Karai so far.

This sounds about right. If the space arc us 13 episodes then I can see 12&13 being a 2 parter that reverses some of the finale (but they may find a way to keep the defeat of the Kraang & destruction of the Technodrome intact).

That leaves 7 episodes back in NYC to wrap up the Shredder/Karai story arcs if this is the last season (I don't want it to be but shouldn't we have heard about season 5 by now? Season 4 was announced during Season 2 and animation tends to require a big lead time)

[TheJ-manTurtleMan]

If anyone is curious about what happens right after the season 3 finale: FYI big spoiler!
It is actually professor Honeycutt that undoes the effects of the heart of darkness, his ship travels back in time 6 months before the invasion of the Triceratons so he, and the turtles can stop them from getting it. At least that's what it says in the book.

[Chaotix12345]

New promo art for Annihilation: Earth! from an official Nick press release. Mild spoilers for a character debuting in the episode:

http://i61.tinypic.com/nfrzw9.jpg

[Ninturtle]

This sounds about right. If the space arc us 13 episodes then I can see 12&13 being a 2 parter that reverses some of the finale (but they may find a way to keep the defeat of the Kraang & destruction of the Technodrome intact).

That leaves 7 episodes back in NYC to wrap up the Shredder/Karai story arcs if this is the last season (I don't want it to be but shouldn't we have heard about season 5 by now? Season 4 was announced during Season 2 and animation tends to require a big lead time)

Season 5 was confirmed at SDCC.

[Ninturtle]

I wonder if we'll see planet D'Hoonib and the Federation during the 13 space episodes.

The Fugitoid already appeared in season 3.

We will , its on Fugitoids concept art.

[Chris]

Season 5 was confirmed at SDCC.

Thanks! Not sure how I managed to miss that!!

[CyberCubed]

Season 4 and 5 are only 20 episodes though, so we're losing 6 eps from each. Shame, the more episodes the better.

[yellowmario27]

Season 4 and 5 are only 20 episodes though, so we're losing 6 eps from each. Shame, the more episodes the better.

Does anyone know or want to guess why the seasons are shortened? Do you think it's because of ratings?

[CyberCubed]

It saves them a lot of money and production time to make less episodes. Think about it, that's 12 episodes less (with Seasons 4 to 5 combined), that they have to make...so less expenses.

Shame, really. I feel like we're missing 12 episodes just because two seasons were shorted by about 6 episodes each.

[Luckyday]

This could turn out to be a good thing because with fewer episodes they can dedicated the time that they normally would for stand alone episodes and instead focus that energy on working out the kinks in their story arcs, which means no rush scripts and no more deus ex machina resolutions at the last minute.

It may be a chance to do certain storylines that wasn't possible to do before.
Who knows, maybe some characters will actually get some develop for once and grow out of status quo.

[Ursalink]

OK, as far as I see, this is what I guess it will happen for the next season:

+ The Turtles, Casey and April will travel through the universe for half of the season, to avoid that the Triceratons will get the pieces of the Black Hole Generator.
+ After going back in time for 6 months, for the first 11 episodes, the Turtles will face most of the new characters we expect: Mona Lisa, Lord Dregg and stuff.
+ Surely, for episodes 12th and 13th, the gang will be back on Earth, possibly at the same moment of the Triceraton Invasion; which will cause us a serious "Deja Vu".

Considering they won't have a second chance to go back in time if the Triceratons destroy the Earth again, I can imagine they will try to "cheat" history in hopes to change things to their side:
+ During their space journey, I can guess the Turtles, Casey and April have train really hard in hopes to be prepare to face the Triceratons and other stuff.
+ I guess Professor Honeycutt would have helped April to fully develop her psychic powers in hopes of gaining a good ace against the bad guys.
+ Possibly, the Turtles will capture and try to reason with Shredder's mutants (Tiger Claw, Razhar, Fishface, Stockman, Bebop and Rocksteady). Possibly through April's powers, they will see the events of the Earth's Annihilation; about how Shredder is such a monster that he stopped Splinter of saving the Earth just for his revenge. I'm pretty sure that, if they discover how crazy Shredder is, they will side with the Turtles. They possibly don't care for the Earth itself, but I doubt they will side with the monster who decides to destroy them all. I bet at least Tiger Claw will be on the Turtles side. I wouldn't be surprised if in the "replay", he shoots at Shredder just before he kills Splinter.
+ Karai's story has to be solved once and for all. After what I saw, it's clear that Shredder has no place for love anymore; because he chose revenge instead of saving "his daugther" world. I suspect the Turtles will back in time to pick up Karai just after she was freed of the mind worm, then recruit her to save the world and stuff.

+ I can imagine the Turtles using the Technodrome to send the Triceraton's army to Dimension X and let them fight the Kraang away from the Earth.
+ They also have to save Bishop, because it's really sad to lose him right after meeting him. I suspect he will not be the only Utrom to side the Turtles. Something tells me another one (maybe Mortu?) will appear and will take the identity of "Irma".
+ After 13th episode, the Turtles will possibly save the Earth, defeat both the Triceratons and the Kraang, recover Karai to their family's side, and possibly punish the Shredder really bad. However, I bet their "space trip" will have consecuences, which will cause their space enemies like Lord Dregg arrive to Earth.
+ If his mutant henchmen betrays him as I suspect, the Shredder will surely form an alliance with Dregg for his accursed revenge.
+ I can bet the finale of Season 4 will be similar to a "series end", but with some twists. I can imagine the turtles having and ultimate victory against Dregg, the Kraang, the Triceratons and other alien enemies. The Turtles, alongside Splinter and possibly Karai, will finally defeat the Shredder and apparently kill him. But as the last scene of the season, from the rubble of his defeat (and mirroring simiar scenes in previous TMNT's films and series), the arm of the Shredder will emerge with a clear wish for revenge.

[Luckyday]

OK, as far as I see, this is what I guess it will happen for the next season:

+ The Turtles, Casey and April will travel through the universe for half of the season, to avoid that the Triceratons will get the pieces of the Black Hole Generator.
+ After going back in time for 6 months, for the first 11 episodes, the Turtles will face most of the new characters we expect: Mona Lisa, Lord Dregg and stuff.
+ Surely, for episodes 12th and 13th, the gang will be back on Earth, possibly at the same moment of the Triceraton Invasion; which will cause us a serious "Deja Vu".

Considering they won't have a second chance to go back in time if the Triceratons destroy the Earth again, I can imagine they will try to "cheat" history in hopes to change things to their side:
+ During their space journey, I can guess the Turtles, Casey and April have train really hard in hopes to be prepare to face the Triceratons and other stuff.
+ I guess Professor Honeycutt would have helped April to fully develop her psychic powers in hopes of gaining a good ace against the bad guys.
+ Possibly, the Turtles will capture and try to reason with Shredder's mutants (Tiger Claw, Razhar, Fishface, Stockman, Bebop and Rocksteady). Possibly through April's powers, they will see the events of the Earth's Annihilation; about how Shredder is such a monster that he stopped Splinter of saving the Earth just for his revenge. I'm pretty sure that, if they discover how crazy Shredder is, they will side with the Turtles. They possibly don't care for the Earth itself, but I doubt they will side with the monster who decides to destroy them all. I bet at least Tiger Claw will be on the Turtles side. I wouldn't be surprised if in the "replay", he shoots at Shredder just before he kills Splinter.
+ Karai's story has to be solved once and for all. After what I saw, it's clear that Shredder has no place for love anymore; because he chose revenge instead of saving "his daugther" world. I suspect the Turtles will back in time to pick up Karai just after she was freed of the mind worm, then recruit her to save the world and stuff.
+ I can imagine the Turtles using the Technodrome to send the Triceraton's army to Dimension X and let them fight the Kraang away from the Earth.
+ They also have to save Bishop, because it's really sad to lose him right after meeting him. I suspect he will not be the only Utrom to side the Turtles. Something tells me another one (maybe Mortu?) will appear and will take the identity of "Irma".
+ After 13th episode, the Turtles will possibly save the Earth, defeat both the Triceratons and the Kraang, recover Karai to their family's side, and possibly punish the Shredder really bad. However, I bet their "space trip" will have consecuences, which will cause their space enemies like Lord Dregg arrive to Earth.
+ If his mutant henchmen betrays him as I suspect, the Shredder will surely form an alliance with Dregg for his accursed revenge.
+ I can bet the finale of Season 4 will be similar to a "series end", but with some twists. I can imagine the turtles having and ultimate victory against Dregg, the Kraang, the Triceratons and other alien enemies. The Turtles, alongside Splinter and possibly Karai, will finally defeat the Shredder and apparently kill him. But as the last scene of the season, from the rubble of his defeat (and mirroring simiar scenes in previous TMNT's films and series), the arm of the Shredder will emerge with a clear wish for revenge.

It's a good way to wrap things up in a neat little bow while still leaving some things for future seasons.

[lonewarrior20]

well if they do save the world 'which we know they will' i'm wondering how they'll deal with the time paradox situation. remember dr. honeycut picked them up right as the earth was destroyed. and if they're on a quest now to get the pieces of the black hole generator before the triceratons get them, then the triceratons wouldn't invade the earth. unless of course the fugitoid is willing to be stuck in a continuous loop after the turtles pull a bill and ted and convince their younger selves to go with him to get the black hole generator parts.

can't wait to see how the writers are gonna fix this one.

[Foombamaroom]

What is that and where have you heard this from?

They said something about it at SDCC.



Also, we do know that Shredder is going to be in season 4. KMR was recording a few months ago. They're probably recording the end of the season as we're doing this so they can move onto season 5.

If 5 IS the last season, it's most likely going to be Shredder-based. I HIGHLY doubt they're going to try and cram the Turtles' final battle with Shredder into 7 episodes. But so help me God, if they make the Season 4 finale another invasion, I'm done.

Also, the 20 episode order isn't so bad. Keep in mind, those 6 episodes we lost... Well, they usually do 6 to 9 filler episodes per season. Now, with 20 episodes, it'll be easier to fill each episode with actual story, rather than filler. Plus, they won't have to stretch the plots out, either.

[JTH]

well if they do save the world 'which we know they will' i'm wondering how they'll deal with the time paradox situation. remember dr. honeycut picked them up right as the earth was destroyed. and if they're on a quest now to get the pieces of the black hole generator before the triceratons get them, then the triceratons wouldn't invade the earth. unless of course the fugitoid is willing to be stuck in a continuous loop after the turtles pull a bill and ted and convince their younger selves to go with him to get the black hole generator parts.

can't wait to see how the writers are gonna fix this one.

I'm going to spoiler what I say, because we're pushing a fine line on posting Season 3 finale notes and info in the Season 4 thread. People that still haven't seen the episode yet may not expect info being posted in here, only news involving Season 4 character/plot speculation.

To answer your question, I don't think there would be younger selves of the turtles. Because if they're in the Fugitoid ship that is creating the relapse in time, it would protect them from the changes in the timeline because when the group left, they would no longer be affected by the time vortex. It's not going to be like a normal time paradox where they just reappear six months in the past, cause then your example I believe would be right. It would be more like the time relapse that happened in the first Superman movie when Superman made the Earth reverse rotate and thus reverse time to save Lois from the earthquake that killed her, but another Superman didn't form when the time travel took place, he just reversed time to a point where he could save her. Obviously Time Travel is a sticky topic and there are different ways to affect certain topics, but I'm sure that this is how they would explain it.

[Foombamaroom]

Wait.
Season 4.
20 episodes.
4x20.
4/20.
Ayyy, I'm onto you, writers.

[matteso586]

I don't know about you, but too me, Annihilation Earth felt like a loose adaptation of 2003's Space Invaders. So I'm hoping season 4 will have loose adaptations of Worlds Collide, The Trouble with Augie, and Insane in the Membrane.

And something tells me that the humans vs. mutants arc will bring up the fact that the Turtles' presence creates these "animals".

Someone in the EPF: Like germs, they spread. You four created an environment that allowed the germ to mutate to become stronger.

[victory_angel]

I had asked this to Brandon Auman earlier today.

I liked this incarnations view on Bishop. It's interesting he's an alien this time around, when he was originally a government agent who hated Aliens. And thus began the EPF to combat alien threats. Since Bishop is an utrom this this time around, will Dirk Savage be closer to Bishop's 2k3 role?

And this is what he answered.

Nope, you'll just have to see if Bishop comes back ;)

[Foombamaroom]

I have a feeling that if Bishop comes back, he won't remember the Turtles helped him because the timeline will be different, and he'll be leading the Mutant Task Force. It'd be interesting to see the Turtles go up against him, considering he whooped their asses in the finale. <- It was nice to see Bishop fighting like Bishop from the 2003 series.

But I hope this isn't his only episode. That'd be a major middle finger to the 2003 fans.

[Luckyday]

They said something about it at SDCC.



Also, we do know that Shredder is going to be in season 4. KMR was recording a few months ago. They're probably recording the end of the season as we're doing this so they can move onto season 5.

If 5 IS the last season, it's most likely going to be Shredder-based. I HIGHLY doubt they're going to try and cram the Turtles' final battle with Shredder into 7 episodes. But so help me God, if they make the Season 4 finale another invasion, I'm done.

Also, the 20 episode order isn't so bad. Keep in mind, those 6 episodes we lost... Well, they usually do 6 to 9 filler episodes per season. Now, with 20 episodes, it'll be easier to fill each episode with actual story, rather than filler. Plus, they won't have to stretch the plots out, either.

Oh okay. So what is the Mutant Task Force? A bunch of mutant hunting humans?

[Foombamaroom]

Oh okay. So what is the Mutant Task Force? A bunch of mutant hunting humans?

We're not sure. All we know is that there's going to be some Anti-Mutant movement in season 4.

[Luckyday]

We're not sure. All we know is that there's going to be some Anti-Mutant movement in season 4.

Which, probably means it going to be just one measly episode then. I believe you but we been though this before. They always say something very vague about certain character or something and then we always exaggerate it and say "Oh my god. They going to do X!. A whole story/character arc of X!" "This going awesome!"
And then months later when we see it and not what we were expecting or it last about 5 minutes or a episode at best and then we get piss off at the writers for "misleading" us and whole vicious cycle begins to renews itself at the next comic con.

I'm just going to have "we'll see" attitude for now on.http://i.imgur.com/abtor4B.gif

[Foombamaroom]

Which, probably means it going to be just one measly episode then. I believe you but we been though this before. They always say something very vague about certain character or something and then we always exaggerate it and say "Oh my god. They going to do X!. A whole story/character arc of X!" "This going awesome!"
And then months later when we see it and not what we were expecting or it last about 5 minutes or a episode at best and then we get piss off at the writers for "misleading" us and whole vicious cycle begins to renews itself at the next comic con.

I'm just going to have "we'll see" attitude for now on.http://i.imgur.com/abtor4B.gif

Oh, I get what you mean completely. I was so pissed off when they didn't do a Dark Raph arc. Because an invasion arc for the THIRD CONSECUTIVE TIME IN A ROW is the best thing to do.

[NoName999]

And since it's supposedly 13 space episodes of a 20 episode season, that means the Karai subplot is gonna take a backseat as well.

****, 5 episodes of Turtle in Space was a overkill in the 2k3 cartoon, so I'm not holding my breath.

[oldmanwinters]

I'm gonna be a little annoyed if the first batch of season 4 episodes doesn't feature a totally revamped theme song sequence. It would just be wrong to use the familiar sequences considering the cataclysmic events of the season 3 finale.

With season 3, didn't they wait until "Spirit Quest" to unveil the new theme song scenes with the Party Wagon and the Turtles' new outfits?

[CyberCubed]

I'm sure there will be a new theme song.

[Vicky82]

According to TMNT Master Season 4 starts on October 25th.

Lone Dova Fett ‏@SweetLue75 21h

@wordwarthree @kevineastman86 Finished @TMNTMaster S03 finale. WTF!? Awesome! So many questions. When is this coming back? @NickelodeonTV

TMNT Master ‏@TMNTMaster 60m

@SweetLue75 October 25th!

[evan2000]

According to TMNT Master Season 4 starts on October 25th.

Now I wonder if the "Mutants in Space!" book was intentionally released early just to keep the TMNT fandom from freaking out (over the Season 3 cliffhanger) for a whole month :tlol:

[Jephael]

I'm kinda hoping the 80s TMNT play a part in bringing the 2012 TMNT's world back.

[Vicky82]

I got sent this.

http://tvschedule.zap2it.com/tv/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-the-creeping-doom/EP015893230095?aid=tvschedule

It says season 4 starts on Oct 31st but I think it could be wrong as it's on a saturday and on Halloween, they never aired new episodes on Halloween.

[Redworld96]

SmHdZI6R-_w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmHdZI6R-_w&feature=youtu.be

A little, tiny promo of season 4

[TurFlytle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmHdZI6R-_w&feature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmHdZI6R-_w&feature=youtu.be

A little, tiny promo of season 4

This is just old news. It was during the Turtle Nation marathon on Nicktoons. They also showed the villains shown in the SDCC panel.

[srmff]

This is just old news. It was during the Turtle Nation marathon on Nicktoons. They also showed the villains shown in the SDCC panel.


Well this is new to me. I don't live in the US so I've never seen it.

[Powder]

I've never seen it either.

[aprilsfan]

It is not going to be a 13 parter, its going to be a 3 parter, then back to the regular episodes. The fugitoid it going to be in 13 episodes, but that just means he will keep coming back, like alot of the characters do.

[Powder]

According to whom?

[aprilsfan]

according to the mutants in space book, they are only looking for 3 parts of the black hole generator. how are they going to spread that out into a 13 part story arc?

[NinjaPug]

according to the mutants in space book, they are only looking for 3 parts of the black hole generator. how are they going to spread that out into a 13 part story arc?

Easily. They'll have filler episodes not related to finding the black hole generator parts during the space arc.

[CyberCubed]

Besides we know Lord Dregg will be in it, there will be a Mona Lisa (and likely Newtralizer) episode, and the Turtles will probably get captured by the Triceraton empire for their tournament battle.

[Luckyday]

Easily. They'll have filler episodes not related to finding the black hole generator parts during the space arc.

Oh god. A repeat of Northampton arc?
http://replygif.net/i/1251.gif

[aprilsfan]

possible, i just feel like 13 episodes is too long for a space adventure

[NinjaPug]

Oh god. A repeat of Northampton arc?

Not exactly IMO. I thought the entire Northampton arc was filler. Sure we'll get some standalone episodes like Armaggon but at least there will be an overall purpose/mission for the Turtles in Space arc. The writers really dropped the ball with Northampton.

[kelligrafie]

I'm down for anything that involves time travel.

At first I thought it might be like Back To The Future II or the time turner sequences in Harry Potter, where there's no interaction between past/present/future selves.

Then I saw the comment about Bill & Ted interacting with their younger selves and it got me thinking.

Guys, what if we're getting another episode where the turtles join up with their 80's selves again.

A while ago Brandon posted a photo of Rob, Barry and Townsend (Cam was there in the studio but not in the photo because he had to dash off) but so far I don't think we've seen the final product as in, what became of the audio they recorded during that session. It hasn't shown up in any episodes so far. It definitely wasn't from the last cameo they did.

Could this be it? They team up with their 80's selves to save earth?

[Jephael]

I'm down for anything that involves time travel.

At first I thought it might be like Back To The Future II or the time turner sequences in Harry Potter, where there's no interaction between past/present/future selves.

Then I saw the comment about Bill & Ted interacting with their younger selves and it got me thinking.

Guys, what if we're getting another episode where the turtles join up with their 80's selves again.

A while ago Brandon posted a photo of Rob, Barry and Townsend (Cam was there in the studio but not in the photo because he had to dash off) but so far I don't think we've seen the final product as in, what became of the audio they recorded during that session. It hasn't shown up in any episodes so far. It definitely wasn't from the last cameo they did.

Could this be it? They team up with their 80's selves to save earth?

That's basically what I said earlier in the thread.

[SkolNation26]

Just watched the latest episode/season finale. Dudes that was EPIC!!!

[Werecat]

Some science stuff says it is impossible to reverse effects because the effect needs to happen in order for you to want to reverse it, in order for you to exist in that moment. But time is a silly thing in space. Time dilution and time reversal is predicted by some science peeps.

Personally I don't think time travel to the point were there is two of you is possible because that requires you to exist outside of yourself which means you are not you nor is that you, you. Plus you need to have done the effect in order for you to exist at the point were you want to reverse it. There is no loop just an existence problem you have to solve.

[aprilsfan]

sorry i was wrong

[Jephael]

Some science stuff says it is impossible to reverse effects because the effect needs to happen in order for you to want to reverse it, in order for you to exist in that moment. But time is a silly thing in space. Time dilution and time reversal is predicted by some science peeps.

Personally I don't think time travel to the point were there is two of you is possible because that requires you to exist outside of yourself which means you are not you nor is that you, you. Plus you need to have done the effect in order for you to exist at the point were you want to reverse it. There is no loop just an existence problem you have to solve.

If you over-analyze time travel theories too much, eventually this happens:
https://www.discoveryplace.info/sites/default/files/HomerStressed.jpg

[lonewarrior20]

If you over-analyze time travel theories too much, eventually this happens:
https://www.discoveryplace.info/sites/default/files/HomerStressed.jpg

you just made me imagine ralph destroying and smashing things while yelling "don't touch anything?! I'll touch what ever i feel like!"

[Jephael]

you just made me imagine ralph destroying and smashing things while yelling "don't touch anything?! I'll touch what ever i feel like!"

Just to clarify, did you mean Ralph Wiggum, or are you referring to Raphael?

[lonewarrior20]

Just to clarify, did you mean Ralph Wiggum, or are you referring to Raphael?

sorry, lack of sleep. i meant raphael

and to get back on topic, now that we've seen the turtles space suits i wonder what casey and april's will look like.

[SkolNation26]

Some science stuff says it is impossible to reverse effects because the effect needs to happen in order for you to want to reverse it, in order for you to exist in that moment. But time is a silly thing in space. Time dilution and time reversal is predicted by some science peeps.

Personally I don't think time travel to the point were there is two of you is possible because that requires you to exist outside of yourself which means you are not you nor is that you, you. Plus you need to have done the effect in order for you to exist at the point were you want to reverse it. There is no loop just an existence problem you have to solve.

....mind BLOWN....

[Vicky82]

New Episodes up

S04, E01 Beyond the Known Universe 10/25/2015
S04, E02 The Moons of Thalos 3 11/01/2015


http://tvschedule.zap2it.com/tv/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles/episode-guide/EP01589323?aid=tvschedule

No descriptions yet

[Chaotix12345]

Mona is officially debuting in the second episode of Season 4, then. (Since the Alien Attack book was adapted from that episode.)

[TigerClaw]

New Episodes up

S04, E01 Beyond the Known Universe 10/25/2015
S04, E02 The Moons of Thalos 3 11/01/2015


http://tvschedule.zap2it.com/tv/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles/episode-guide/EP01589323?aid=tvschedule

No descriptions yet

Mona is officially debuting in the second episode of Season 4, then. (Since the Alien Attack book was adapted from that episode.)
Cool, can't wait. :)

[Bloxxsaur]

If anyone is curious about what happens right after the season 3 finale: FYI big spoiler!
It is actually professor Honeycutt that undoes the effects of the heart of darkness, his ship travels back in time 6 months before the invasion of the Triceratons so he, and the turtles can stop them from getting it. At least that's what it says in the book.

That makes a lot more sense than the whole Renet thing. If the Earth was destroyed then surely there isn't an Earth for her to be born and trained on, and hence go back to help stop the Earths destruction.

When the Turtles then save the Earth themselves, her timeline continues onwards, and eventually she'll steal the staff, meet the turtles etc..

She met them the first time because she was fangirling, not because she knew they needed her. She has no idea that she need to go back in time now.

[DevilSpooky]

That makes a lot more sense than the whole Renet thing. If the Earth was destroyed then surely there isn't an Earth for her to be born and trained on, and hence go back to help stop the Earths destruction.

When the Turtles then save the Earth themselves, her timeline continues onwards, and eventually she'll steal the staff, meet the turtles etc..

She met them the first time because she was fangirling, not because she knew they needed her. She has no idea that she need to go back in time now.

That's... not how it works, her destiny can be that she was born because she would go back in time to help prevent the Earth for being destroyed so she can be born so she can go back, etc. Not that it matters because she's not the reason anyway.

[cookie jar]

Description of the episodes

Beyond the Known Universe
The team meets a strange alien robot called the Fugitoid.
http://tvschedule.zap2it.com/tv/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-beyond-the-known-universe/EP015893230095?aid=tvschedule

The Moons of Thalos 3
When the team crash lands on an ice moon along with the enemy, they must put their differences aside to survive.
http://tvschedule.zap2it.com/tv/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-the-moons-of-thalos-3/EP015893230096?aid=tvschedule

[Vicky82]

Description of the episodes

Beyond the Known Universe
The team meets a strange alien robot called the Fugitoid.
http://tvschedule.zap2it.com/tv/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-beyond-the-known-universe/EP015893230095?aid=tvschedule

The Moons of Thalos 3
When the team crash lands on an ice moon along with the enemy, they must put their differences aside to survive.
http://tvschedule.zap2it.com/tv/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-the-moons-of-thalos-3/EP015893230096?aid=tvschedule

Crappy description for the 1st one as they met Fugitoid in the final but i'm guessing they don't want to spoil anything.

Looks like Mona Lisa debuts in the 2nd episode. :D

[picassotheninjaturtle]

I just hope beyond the known universe won't be an introduction episode.

[Foombamaroom]

I'm going to be very surprised if they don't pay homage to Alien/Predator/Other Space Monsters. Yes, I know they already did Alien with the Squirrels, but they could still do an actual version if it in space.

[Etsyturtle2]

9592. Found this at books a million today. Mona losa!

[TigerClaw]

According to Zelda Williams IMDB, Mona Lisa will debut on the 1st episode of Season 4, which is 'Beyond the Known Universe'
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0931958/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1

So it looks like we might see her sooner then we think.

[Luckyday]

According to Zelda Williams IMDB, Mona Lisa will debut on the 1st episode of Season 4, which is 'Beyond the Known Universe'
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0931958/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1

So it looks like we might see her sooner then we think.

Man, the show is thirsty for shipping fuel. :lol:

[TigerClaw]

How much are you guys willing to bet, Mikey is the one that names her Mona Lisa?

I can see her trying to pronounce an alien name that's unpronounceable, and Mikey just says. "Ok, How about, Mona Lisa?"

Its interesting cause we never really know the Newtralizer's actual name, And it was just a name given by Donnie at the time.

Do these salamandrian warriors have actual names?

[Luckyday]

How much are you guys willing to bet, Mikey is the one that names her Mona Lisa?

I can see her trying to pronounce an alien name that's unpronounceable, and Mikey just says. "Ok, How about, Mona Lisa?"

Raise hand.

That's actually a great idea rather having this alien with a strangly familiar earth like name.

[IndigoErth]

I kind of hope that "Mona Lisa," or something that sounds very close, will be within an actual longer name (i.e. "Mona" is the first four letters of a long first name and likewise for "Lisa"), and Mikey just cutely shortens it to something easier for them to pronounce.

Might be a tad less awkward then basically saying, "Hey, I'm going to call you this totally unrelated name instead without your input."

[Meliwen]

I kind of hope that "Mona Lisa," or something that sounds very close, will be within an actual longer name (i.e. "Mona" is the first four letters of a long first name and likewise for "Lisa"), and Mikey just cutely shortens it to something easier for them to pronounce.

Might be a tad less awkward then basically saying, "Hey, I'm going to call you this totally unrelated name instead without your input."
^ Yes. Sorta like in Atlantis: The Lost Empire where instead of Kidagakash, Milo just calls her Kida. Even if it's Mikey who gives her the nickname instead of Mona herself, it's still referring to her own name.

And I am so glad Mona's debuting in the first episode, because going by that book that was released...

...this means she won't be officially set as Raph's love interest in her first episode. Even though it happens at the end of the very next episode, it's nice to have something other than love at first sight again.

[Foombamaroom]

The sooner Mona Lisa shows up, the better. If a love interest is what it takes for Raph to get better development, hell yes.

[TigerClaw]

The sooner Mona Lisa shows up, the better. If a love interest is what it takes for Raph to get better development, hell yes.
Yeah, with Mona Lisa showing up early, It helps Raph develop more as a character, and understand why his brothers have a thing for the other ladies in there lives.

I can see Donnie and Mikey teasing Raph, when they notice Mona Lisa flirting with him.

[Meliwen]

http://only-fornow.tumblr.com/post/130507145576/we-will-get-the-story-of-how-raphie-got-his-shell
I supposed we can consider it official that we'll see how Raph got that crack in his shell. Nice to see that it hasn't been dropped.

[TigerClaw]

I can see Raph saying. "I gotta go find Mona Lisa."

Mikey "You mean your girlfriend?"

Raph "Shut up Mikey! She's not my girlfriend! She's just, a friend."

[Foombamaroom]

It makes sense that we're getting an origin for Raph's shell in season 4. Considering that this will probably be Raph's season (2 was Don's, 3 was Leo's), I'm super excited.

[Bitsy83]

The sooner Mona Lisa shows up, the better. If a love interest is what it takes for Raph to get better development, hell yes.

THIS!!! THIS RIGHT HERE!!! THANK YOU! FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT!!!

Sorry, but I've been keeping my mouth (mostly) shut whenever it comes to people hating on romance in shows because I didn't want to cause any more hoopla or uproars over how "All female characters are just Mary Sues and love interests." I know this is true in most cases, especially TMNT, but maybe the reason why we've hated the Donnie and Leo shipping so much was because they happened so early in the series. (That and over excitable fan girls). The writers were probably still learning how to write proper romance without it clashing with the story too much. Maybe, this time, it can help with the story. Just because a character falls in love doesn't necessarily it'll go to being badly written fluff fic. Love is an emotion. Emotion builds character. Character adds depth. See where I'm going?

With the introduction of Mona Lisa and the possibility of her becoming a recurring character (Peter DiCicco confirmed that on Tumblr), then maybe we can see another side of Raph. Almost every character he's paired up with has supported his anger and rage (Slash, Casey, Zog, even Spy Roach). He needs a Yin to his Yang (HEADS OUT OF GUTTERS!) We see Mona Lisa is going to be a "warrior", but she might be a calm-headed one.Perhaps the Alien Attack events were her following orders from the other Salamandrians. I have this head cannon that, in the beginning, the Salamandrians and the Triceratons are allies. However, the Salamandrians don't know what the Triceratons have done or do to take out their enemies. They could very well be in the dark about destroying whole planets to take out one race that doesn't even dominate said-planet. With the help of the Turtles, Mona Lisa could find this out and be horrified with what the Triceratons are really like and agrees to help the Turtles fight them.

If she does go on missions with them, she might notice how easily Raph gets angry or rushes to fight without thinking things through. So she gradually helps keep him calm. Maybe by looking in his eyes or grabbing his shoulder to restrain him. Raph really needs a character who doesn't fuel his anger, but instead balances it. We've seen it touched on numerous times, but there weren't many lasting effects. For those who haven't seen "Avengers: Age of Utrom", it would be like Black Widow's "lullaby" for the Hulk.

So, yeah, hopefully fourth time's a charm and we can finally see a TMNT romance done right. (At least, done right enough for the haters, but that's a tall order).

[tmnt_LRDM]

I agree. We haven't seen any real Raph episodes since season 2. It would be nice to see some development in his character, and if Mona Lisa is the key to doing that, I'm all for it. Besides, I really liked her in 1987. I'm upset she didn't appear in any other episodes after "Raphael Meets His Match".

[Ninturtle]

I agree. We haven't seen any real Raph episodes since season 2. It would be nice to see some development in his character, and if Mona Lisa is the key to doing that, I'm all for it. Besides, I really liked her in 1987. I'm upset she didn't appear in any other episodes after "Raphael Meets His Match".

We had "Dinosaur Seen in Sewers" recently and that was one of the best episodes of season 3.

[Sabacooza]

We had "Dinosaur Seen in Sewers" recently and that was one of the best episodes of season 3.Agreed. Lets hope we get more of those sooner than later in season 4.

[snake]

http://only-fornow.tumblr.com/post/130507145576/we-will-get-the-story-of-how-raphie-got-his-shell
I supposed we can consider it official that we'll see how Raph got that crack in his shell. Nice to see that it hasn't been dropped.

Didn't they say that every season?

[Meliwen]

Did they? I've only heard people mention seeing it in a book, but maybe I've missed some things.

[tmnt_LRDM]

We had "Dinosaur Seen in Sewers" recently and that was one of the best episodes of season 3.

Ah yes! How could I possibly forget that one? My bad. My mind was thinking in terms of the rest of the season that was mainly focused on Leo.

[Drose18]

When will this series end? How do u ppl want mona lisa shes a stupid character. They could give raph developement by showing how hes taking it really hard that the earth got destroyed or something anything else.

[tmnt_LRDM]

When will this series end? How do u ppl want mona lisa shes a stupid character. They could give raph developement by showing how hes taking it really hard that the earth got destroyed or something anything else.

I believe they are planning on having 5 seasons. And this is the way I see it. If you can remember back in season 1, the one thing Raph trusted with his inner feelings was his pet Spike. He could yell, get angry, etc., and not have to put on this "tough guy" persona like he does around everyone else.

In season 2, Spike mutated into Slash. Even though Slash is the leader of the Mighty Mutanimals and they are on good terms (at least before the finally), Raph lost the "go to" thing he had before. Since he feels he has to keep this "tough guy" act, he holds everything in thus pushing him down from developing as a character.

Now Splinter is dead, the world is blown up, and the only Earthlings left are the turtles, April, and Casey. I have a feeling Raph won't be able to handle this on his own. So, in my eyes, Mona Lisa is essentially his new "go to" thing. I mean yeah he could try for one of his brothers, Casey, or April if Mona Lisa wasn't being introduced, but I don't really think he would develop as much as he will with Mona. At least that's the hope!

[ObiWanFan4life]

*sighs* I really hope that Mona Lisa isn't just a love interest. We already got over the love story between Donnie, April, and Casey, do we really need another one?

[Avatar Yuffie]

Same. It was bad enough April's mom and Irma aren't human in the first place, and Karai got saddled as the only female mutant that never even appeared in the finale (I know it's plot reasons), but April cementing she's the show's Smurfette really stood out surrounded by her mutant friends, and it's depressing.

I would buy a Mona Lisa action figure though since I was denied last time.

I don't mind romance, but I'd want her and Raph to be just friends first. Let him be turned off that she like eating roaches or something.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

It was bad enough April's mom and Irma aren't human in the first place

Are we ever going to let this Irma thing go?!

[neatoman]

Are we ever going to let this Irma thing go?!

It doesn't seem like it.

[TurFlytle]

When will this series end? How do u ppl want mona lisa shes a stupid character. They could give raph developement by showing how hes taking it really hard that the earth got destroyed or something anything else.

Stop constantly complaining about the show if you still don't like it. We don't even know Mona Lisa's personality, so stop basing it off the 87 series.

[TigerClaw]

Stop constantly complaining about the show if you still don't like it. We don't even know Mona Lisa's personality, so stop basing it off the 87 series.
I bet the new Mona Lisa is gonna be a total bad ass.

[The Happy One]

When will this series end? How do u ppl want mona lisa shes a stupid character. They could give raph developement by showing how hes taking it really hard that the earth got destroyed or something anything else.


Then, may I ask, why are you here, sir? You don't like it, that's fine. We can all respect it, bro. But unless you can get in a studio and create something better than this AMAZING, WONDERFUL cartoon then- welp- ya can't really say much, fella. We all have to grow up sometime and you legit bashing this show like a kid isn't gonna help anyone. Critism is one thing, trolling is another.
Let's calm it down, alright, pal?:roll:

[Ceres]

For once i like a design way better as in the original cartoon. Mona Lisa in the new version sounds really like a badass and the design is miles better as OT ML.

[JTH]

Raise hand.

That's actually a great idea rather having this alien with a strangly familiar earth like name.
I'd personally it be done in classic Mikey fashion. Call her Mona Lisa because he believes the two are made for each other, and why? Because the Mona Lisa was done by "Raphael da Vinci". :lol:

*Face Palms ensue*

[TigerClaw]

When we see Mona Lisa, I bet she'll be antagonistic towards the turtles, until something happens and she's on there side.

[Avatar Yuffie]

Are we ever going to let this Irma thing go?!

Nope.

Besides, I just logged in here and I need to vent.

[tmnt_LRDM]

When we see Mona Lisa, I bet she'll be antagonistic towards the turtles, until something happens and she's on there side.

I agree, and I think that's actually better than the "love at first sight" thing that Donnie and Mikey went through. Especially since this is Raph we are talking about.

[BubblyShell22]

Yeah, I think Mona will start off as an enemy and then turn into a friend in the second episode. I'm definitely excited to see her and to hear Zelda voice her.

[picassotheninjaturtle]

I wouldn't be surprised if IMDB just screwed up the description.

[TigerClaw]

This was posted on Ciro Nieli's Instagram, a scene featuring Mona Lisa and Raph.
https://instagram.com/p/8hJOn_hXka/

https://igcdn-photos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/e35/11325666_1644455092438100_440300166_n.jpg

this looks like its from the 2nd episode, you can see the background is that icy planet, just like in the children's book.

[Bitsy83]

This was posted on Ciro Nieli's Instagram, a scene featuring Mona Lisa and Raph.
https://instagram.com/p/8hJOn_hXka/

https://igcdn-photos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/e35/11325666_1644455092438100_440300166_n.jpg

this looks like its from the 2nd episode, you can see the background is that icy planet, just like in the children's book.

Surprise, surprise: she's taller. (It was a bit hard to tell from the book).
Raphael, you adorable hobbit!

[TigerClaw]

Surprise, surprise: she's taller. (It was a bit hard to tell from the book).
Raphael, you adorable hobbit!
Or it could be the space suit that makes her appear taller, who knows?

[Bitsy83]

Or it could be the space suit that makes her appear taller, who knows?

True. It'd be kinda cute if she's smaller without the suit and she has issues.

[tmnt_LRDM]

Surprise, surprise: she's taller. (It was a bit hard to tell from the book).
Raphael, you adorable hobbit!

Honestly, I don't really mind that she's taller. I mean yeah it's different from the normal, but I think that's okay, especially since she's from an alien planet. Not to mention Raphael isn't the the tallest of the bunch.

This was posted on Ciro Nieli's Instagram, a scene featuring Mona Lisa and Raph.
https://instagram.com/p/8hJOn_hXka/

https://igcdn-photos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/e35/11325666_1644455092438100_440300166_n.jpg

this looks like its from the 2nd episode, you can see the background is that icy planet, just like in the children's book.

But anyway, just look at Raph and Mona Lisa's faces in this picture. Mona Lisa seems like the interested one, but Raph looks like he's thinking, "Oh God. What is this Newtralizer lady doing? Why is she looking at me like that!"

[Vicky82]

Found a new pic on Twitter.

https://36.media.tumblr.com/e4b1cfd5b41bfa0e25d4ca7ba2fee795/tumblr_nvwtqa5oNI1ts0huyo1_540.png

[TigerClaw]

Found a new pic on Twitter.

https://36.media.tumblr.com/e4b1cfd5b41bfa0e25d4ca7ba2fee795/tumblr_nvwtqa5oNI1ts0huyo1_540.png
That's an image from a clip that was shown during the interview on twitch, It shows the Turtles putting on those space suits, it was a cool scene.

[Vicky82]

That's an image from a clip that was shown during the interview on twitch, It shows the Turtles putting on those space suits, it was a cool scene.

Have you got a link.

[TigerClaw]

Have you got a link.
Its in the Twitch stream archive, you need to skip through it til you get to the part they interview the cast and crew of TMNT.
http://www.twitch.tv/twitch/v/19682498

[Vicky82]

Its in the Twitch stream archive, you need to skip through it til you get to the part they interview the cast and crew of TMNT.
http://www.twitch.tv/twitch/v/19682498

Love the clip.

https://40.media.tumblr.com/79e8e611725d49a7fd700d01a5271e44/tumblr_inline_nvwwzzDwFq1tai9s4_540.png

Leo's face is adorable.

[Redworld96]

Have you got a link.

Here is the clip: http://redworld96.tumblr.com/post/130760066333/tmnt-2012-season-4-space-outfits-clip

[Tarris Vaal]

Leo and Donnie's face make that clip :) Cant wait for the next season :)

[Vicky82]

Keith David to voice Sal Commander. :D

https://40.media.tumblr.com/204be3555fade1a1dacf612fa91e75ba/tumblr_inline_nvwzzx2jl71rjf2xd_540.png

WYRM?????

https://36.media.tumblr.com/e141ae8ecc8fe75ad2102333387486fa/tumblr_inline_nvx008a1Ol1rjf2xd_540.png

I don't know who the hell that is.

Going to be a crossover with the 80s turtles.

https://41.media.tumblr.com/8c05547c1944871d518ac11e861c1f95/tumblr_inline_nvx016MZYl1rjf2xd_540.png

[TigerClaw]

WYRM?????

https://36.media.tumblr.com/e141ae8ecc8fe75ad2102333387486fa/tumblr_inline_nvx008a1Ol1rjf2xd_540.png
Wyrm is being voiced by Dwight Schultz

[TurFlytle]

Am I the only one that realizes that Leo just did a Space Heroes impression? :D

[evan2000]

WYRM?????

I don't know who the hell that is.

Wyrm was a classic character from the Archie comics:

http://miragelicensing.com/comics/archie/10/1003.jpg

He first appeared in TMNT Adventures #10 (http://miragelicensing.com/comics/archie/10/10.htm) Going Down? (May, 1990)

Here are the gif versions:

http://i.imgur.com/oNo0O3x.gif

http://i.imgur.com/ULsM6Md.gif

http://i.imgur.com/ybYBSwJ.gif

[TurFlytle]

Does that Commander have his insides and ribcage exposed? He should check that out and patch that up inside. Someone can easily shoot your insides like that. EDIT: He also seems to have a robo-eye. What's with villains in this series having asymmetrical designs? Asymmetrical eyes and limbs seem to be a common thing with villains in this series.

[shredder orokusaki]

The original Krang is appearing in season 4? Another crosssover so soon?
Cant wait to see the original krang robot body with the red underwear in 2016 graphics!

[shredder orokusaki]

Keith David to voice Sal Commander. :D

https://40.media.tumblr.com/204be3555fade1a1dacf612fa91e75ba/tumblr_inline_nvwzzx2jl71rjf2xd_540.png

WYRM?????

https://36.media.tumblr.com/e141ae8ecc8fe75ad2102333387486fa/tumblr_inline_nvx008a1Ol1rjf2xd_540.png

I don't know who the hell that is.

Going to be a crossover with the 80s turtles.

https://41.media.tumblr.com/8c05547c1944871d518ac11e861c1f95/tumblr_inline_nvx016MZYl1rjf2xd_540.png

You dont who that is? That is the true and original Krang of the 1987 series. He was also a alien of Dimension x and his robotic body was funny! It was wearing sunglasses and a red underwear and shoes. There was not a alien race like in the current series. Instead there was only one Krang. You must see the 1987 series if you havent. While it is not as serious as the 2012 Nick series it has lot of action .

[Ceres]

Now i am pleasantly surprised :D. The original Krang in the new cartoon? Me gusta ~ Would be funny if he would met up with the Kraang xD(or the Utrom seeing as both look the same just have a different mindset)

[Vicky82]

You dont who that is? That is the true and original Krang of the 1987 series. He was also a alien of Dimension x and his robotic body was funny! It was wearing sunglasses and a red underwear and shoes. There was not a alien race like in the current series. Instead there was only one Krang. You must see the 1987 series if you havent. While it is not as serious as the 2012 Nick series it has lot of action .

I know who Krang is and I watched the 80s show when I was a kid. I was talking about WYRM.

[Powder]

I know who Krang is and I watched the 80s show when I was a kid. I was talking about WYRM.

http://bogleech.com/images/tmnt-wyrm2.jpg

He's only one of the coolest TMNT toys/mutants EVER!

[Redworld96]

Is there someone here who went at the panel?
I want to read all what happened in the episode :(

[Vicky82]

There is someone here who went at the panel?
I want to read all what happened in the episode :(

If there is, please put it under spoilers.

[TigerClaw]

I hope someone recorded the panel along with the clips, It sucks that the Twitch stream cuts out when they show it, normally somebody post a full video of the panel on youtube that shows the images of the new characters and clips.

[AlZarkovski]

http://25o2zicw5jz372nu42fxtly6.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/TMNT-Series-news-2015.jpg

From here (http://theslanted.com/2015/10/20957/nickelodeons-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-season-4-premiere-announced/). 26 episodes???

[Etsyturtle2]

Is the wyrm part of the crossover, because they nailed the design right on the head. That is like the design of the toy in animation!

[OrangeNinja1987]

http://25o2zicw5jz372nu42fxtly6.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/TMNT-Series-news-2015.jpg

From here (http://theslanted.com/2015/10/20957/nickelodeons-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-season-4-premiere-announced/). 26 episodes???

Woah, April's space suit looks awesome (sort of like the classic April outfit) and Casey's is nice too.
Is this the first picture to show those?

[ssjup81]

Nice! Wyrm! Yay! Archie stuff!! Wow and they'll do the crossover for season 4? Whoo! My dream of Nick Donnie trying to out-snark OT Raph will come true..maybe. lol. I just want them to interact. lol

I wonder if they'll react super hostile to OT Shredder as an emotional reaction for what the Shredder of their dimension did regarding Splinter and their world...especially Raph.

It's also surprising that season 4 will be 26 eps. Does that mean they'll cut season 5 down more since season 4 was supposed to have been 20 eps or something?I bet the new Mona Lisa is gonna be a total bad ass.I personally LIKED OT Mona Lisa. She was a smart and a smart ass. That's why I liked OT Raph...he was a smart ass.

That aside, I'm looking forward to the addition. Curious how she'll be for this incarnation. I was wondering, is it true that she'll be part of the Newtralizer's species?.When we see Mona Lisa, I bet she'll be antagonistic towards the turtles, until something happens and she's on there side.Like Ninjara in Archie. That'd be interesting.

[Vicky82]

Nice! Wyrm! Yay! Archie stuff!! Wow and they'll do the crossover for season 4? Whoo! My dream of Nick Donnie trying to out-snark OT Raph will come true..maybe. lol. I just want them to interact. lol

I wonder if they'll react super hostile to OT Shredder as an emotional reaction for what the Shredder of their dimension did regarding Splinter and their world...especially Raph.


They might get emotional by meeting OT Splinter, that's if he's in it.

[ssjup81]

They might get emotional by meeting OT Splinter, that's if he's in it.Maybe he won't be. He'll be away on a porcelain shopping trip. lol

[ranger_scout]

I'm really looking forward to the Nick Turtles officially meeting the OT turtles. I also cannot wait to hear Pat Fraley as 87 Krang again. I wonder if they will get Jim Cummings or Townsend Coleman to voice the OT Shredder. Is it also possible for Peter Reneday to return as OT Splinter? Renae Jacobs came out of retirement to voice Mrs. O'Neil for this cartoon. Though it sounds like it might not happen if they did not mention him.

[CyberCubed]

My god, The "real" Krang finally shows up. He had better be voiced by Pat Farley.

I hope he shows up and says, "I am the real Krang" and shows Kraang Prime a thing or two.

[Ceres]

My god, The "real" Krang finally shows up. He had better be voiced by Pat Farley.

I hope he shows up and says, "I am the real Krang" and shows Kraang Prime a thing or two.

From what i read they really managed to get Pat Fraley for OT Krang and yes, this would be sooo epic xD

[CyberCubed]

I wonder if we'll see OT Shredder. With James Avery's passing who would they cast?

The guy who played him in Turtles Forever did a pretty good job.

[ssjup81]

I wonder if we'll see OT Shredder. With James Avery's passing who would they cast?

The guy who played him in Turtles Forever did a pretty good job.Maybe Townsand Coleman. He did stand in for him in the OT as wellas Jim Cummings.

[GoldMutant]

Maybe Townsand Coleman. He did stand in for him in the OT as wellas Jim Cummings.

*Townsend (;))

I was thinking Bill Martin actually or Load Williams from Turtles Forever. Jim, Dorian Haltwood, and Townsend are a little jarring.

[ToTheNines]

Bill Murray?

[GoldMutant]

Bill Murray?

Oh shoot, I wrote that incorrectly. I meant Bill Martin. :lol:

[TigerClaw]

Here's the Youtube version of the spacesuits clip.

fOvB9kYZ9kk

[ToTheNines]

I know he was doing a Captain Ryan impression, but Seth's voice sounded really weird.

[drgon78]

I can't wait for turtles in space. I wonder if April and Casey will get space suits as well.

[TigerClaw]

I can't wait for turtles in space. I wonder if April and Casey will get space suits as well.
They also have space suits.

[TigerClaw]

TMNT NYCC 2015 Panel video with Season 4 Sneak Peek.

OF621AINiT4

[CyberCubed]

Is there any further info in that video not revealed?

[TigerClaw]

Is there any further info in that video not revealed?
Well the video shows the part that got cut off from the live stream.

[TigerClaw]

Go to the 18:20 mark to see the season 4 sneak peek, some really good stuff on there, which also includes Mona Lisa speaking.

[Luckyday]

Go to the 18:20 mark to see the season 4 sneak peek, some really good stuff on there, which also includes Mona Lisa speaking.

Holy ****! 80's turtles at 24:19 for real this time? I didn't think it was true.

And base on what Raph have said, the 2012 turtles in 2D animation? That's bonus points for me.

[Powder]

That animatic is amazing, I cannot wait for that episode. & the fact they got Gilbert for it is just... perfection.

[Alph_shinn]

I heard from my friend said Season 4 will increase the total episode from 20 to 26, is it real?

[Raph's Girl]

Holy ****! 80's turtles at 24:19 for real this time? I didn't think it was true.

And base on what Raph have said, the 2012 turtles in 2D animation? That's bonus points for me.

Essentially it's a sorta sequel to Turtles Forever. At least that's what the animatic implied.

[TigerClaw]

Anyone noticed after Mona Lisa speaks, She kind of does some kind of roar sound.

Also she seems very antagonistic at first, but know doubt something happens, and she changes her mind when she meets Raph.

[CyberCubed]

So is Krang the only 80's villain that appears? If Shredder, Bebop and Rocksteady were going to show up wouldn't we have seen their CG models too?

[cookie jar]

According to Peter Dicicco's Tumblr. Season 4 now has 26 episodes.
http://peterdicicco.tumblr.com/post/130779220037/hi-so-the-season-4-will-have-26-episodes-as-the#notes

Again thanks Redworld96.

[CyberCubed]

According to Peter Dicicco's Tumblr. Season 4 now has 26 episodes.
http://peterdicicco.tumblr.com/post/130779220037/hi-so-the-season-4-will-have-26-episodes-as-the#notes

Again thanks Redworld96.

Wow, I wonder why they went back up to 26 episodes. I was getting worried the shorter 20 episode order was a sign Nick was losing faith in the show, but to have a full 26 episode Season 4? I think he also implied Season 5 will have 26 episodes too.

Thank god. Now I know the series will hit at least 7 seasons. Once again I am right and predicted the future.

[Vicky82]

2 more clips.

http://tmntvicky.tumblr.com/post/130799358080/mikeyandpizza-official-tmnt-season-4-clips

That 2nd clip :o

Looks like the WYRM episode is going to be wierd.

[CyberCubed]

The Wyrm episode looks like a silly filler ep similar to the Bigfoot one from Season 3. I bet you'll see a bunch of people complaining how "kiddie" it is instead of having a good time.

[TheJ-manTurtleMan]

I hope the 2D animation is better than what we saw in Wormquake

[Bitsy83]

2 more clips.

http://tmntvicky.tumblr.com/post/130799358080/mikeyandpizza-official-tmnt-season-4-clips

That 2nd clip :o

Looks like the WYRM episode is going to be wierd.

Two things:

One: Mona Lisa's animation is great and Williams' voice is perfect for her! Can't wait to see this develop.

Two:.....is Casey SUPPOSED to look like Doctor Manhattan?

[cookie jar]

http://41.media.tumblr.com/76642f5ff6e9c1d935dac5e1c761fb93/tumblr_nvxorl12AC1t0m9o3o1_500.jpg

[cookie jar]

http://40.media.tumblr.com/5c27c929ad1201af55f0fb62dcf9a0bd/tumblr_nvxorl12AC1t0m9o3o2_500.jpg

[neatoman]

http://i.imgur.com/ybYBSwJ.gif

Is it just me or does it almost look like an intentional mockery of Krang? I say "almost" because it's hard to make the original Krang look even sillier than he already did but this is clearly a more "obese" looking design and I don't remember Krang ever having a pointless handle on the back.

http://media.comicbook.com/uploads1/2015/05/krang-136340.jpg

[Danetello]

My mind has been blown. That rough clip of the 1987 meeting... omg.

[matteso586]

That animatic is amazing, I cannot wait for that episode. & the fact they got Gilbert for it is just... perfection.

Speaking of Gilbert Gottfried, do you think there will be a loose adaptation of 2003's Secret Origins? As in detailing how the Utroms broke out of the Kraang Hive Mind, more of their history, and how Sub-Subprime became Kraang Subprime.

[Vicky82]

I wonder if the cross over episode will be the mid season 2 part episode.

Mirage Turtles might turn up :D Shame the 2003 turtles arn't :cry:

[tmnt_LRDM]

I wonder if the cross over episode will be the mid season 2 part episode.

Mirage Turtles might turn up :D Shame the 2003 turtles arn't :cry:

Well they hinted at the Mirage turtles so maybe?? And I wish the 2003 were apart of this crossover. Having all 3 animated TMNT show turtles would be incredible!

However I heard the reason why they'll never do it is because the 2003 actors aren't apart of a union but the 1987 and 2012 actors are (which is why the original actors for 1987 weren't apart of Turtles Forever)? Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what I heard.

[CyberCubed]

I doubt the 2k3 Turtles will appear, but if they do they won't be able to use the original voice actors, for the same reason 4kids couldn't use the 80's VA's.

So we'd have sound a likes for the 2k3 Turtles...lol

[Ceres]

Now i can't wait for this crossover episode, simply because we probably see KSP and Krang fighting together against the Turtles, something that will be funny for sure seeing as their both characters are not the easiest to deal with lol.

[JTH]

The Wyrm episode looks like a silly filler ep similar to the Bigfoot one from Season 3. I bet you'll see a bunch of people complaining how "kiddie" it is instead of having a good time.
Wrong episode imo.

I think it's going to be Casey's version of "Eyes of the Chimera", which I wasn't a big fan of. I thought it was just okay, but nothing more than that.

[CyberCubed]

Its kind of ironic that after me bringing it up since 2012, the "real" Krang actually does debut in the Nick cartoon after all. :lol:

[JTH]

Its kind of ironic that after me bringing it up since 2012, the "real" Krang actually does debut in the Nick cartoon after all. :lol:
Translation: "I was wrong all along. I just don't want to tell you I was wrong. So I'll just say I wasn't right." :P

[CyberCubed]

I wonder if Krang will make the distinction that "The Kraang" have an extra "a" in their name. If you notice on the 80's Krang image he's spelled as "Krang" with the original spelling.

[TigerClaw]

You know, Wyrm in this version is a cosmic genie, what if one of the Turtles made a wish to be human? Donnie in particular?

[MisfitKraang]

From what I've seen I'm kinda excited for season 4, though I'm slightly behind on the story cause I got tired of Nick's scheduling and gave up towards the end of season 3...though I'm sure I didn't miss much:P

[lonewarrior20]

You know, Wyrm in this version is a cosmic genie, what if one of the Turtles made a wish to be human? Donnie in particular?

since caseys blue i'm really wondering what his wish was.

[victory_angel]

From what I've seen I'm kinda excited for season 4, though I'm slightly behind on the story cause I got tired of Nick's scheduling and gave up towards the end of season 3...though I'm sure I didn't miss much:P

Where did you stop on the series? I can offer some Go To episodes to get you caught up?

[evan2000]

Now i can't wait for this crossover episode, simply because we probably see KSP and Krang fighting together against the Turtles, something that will be funny for sure seeing as their both characters are not the easiest to deal with lol.

Yes and you'll be updating your sig soon for the potential new member(s) :tlol:

Its kind of ironic that after me bringing it up since 2012, the "real" Krang actually does debut in the Nick cartoon after all. :lol:

Not only that, Krang has also been retconned as a cousin of Kraang sub-prime and therefore was once an Utrom too, technically.

There you have it - it was ultimately the Kraang race who connected the entire TMNT multiverse into one single continuity :tlol:

Also it seems like OT Donnie was holding the same "portable portal" he used in Turtles Forever, and probably used it to beam the Nick turtles over. How it all started? The OT Technodrome malfunctioned which led them all to the 2003 universe (how Turtles Forever began). Again due to Krang/Kraang tech :trazz:

From what I've seen I'm kinda excited for season 4, though I'm slightly behind on the story cause I got tired of Nick's scheduling and gave up towards the end of season 3...though I'm sure I didn't miss much:P

I wouldn't categorize missing the end of season 3 as "not missing much"

Where did you stop on the series? I can offer some Go To episodes to get you caught up?

I guess most people can keep up by simply watching Dinosaur Seen in Sewers! followed by Annihilation: Earth!, although I'd still recommend watching all of them (especially non-filler eps) if time permits.

[MisfitKraang]

Where did you stop on the series? I can offer some Go To episodes to get you caught up?

The last episode I saw was the Mondo Gecko one, I did see the finale though other then that I missed everything in the between!

[evan2000]

The last episode I saw was the Mondo Gecko one, I did see the finale though other then that I missed everything in the between!

You must watch Dinosaur Seen in Sewers! at the very least. Try to catch Tale of The Yokai too if you can. Of course, you should eventually binge watch all the eps you missed if you want to be fully caught up with everything.

Check out the Best Episode Tournament (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=53447) thread if would like to short-list the top eps/highlights of the season.

[victory_angel]

The last episode I saw was the Mondo Gecko one, I did see the finale though other then that I missed everything in the between!

ones to watch

Deadly Venom (First part of Karai being brainwashed)

Turtles in time (simply because it introduces Renet and leads into the tale of the Youkai.)

Tale of the Yokai (Extensive backstory on Hamato Yoshi and Oroku Saki)

Fourfold trap (Karai is still brainwashed and ready to threaten the Turtles once again.)

Dinosaur Seen in Sewers (Must see as a lead into the season finally)

(Tie into story, but more or less skipable)
Attack of the Mega Shredder (a Meh episode. But it has a plot point that appears in the next two episodes.)

Creeping Doom (Another Meh episode. Donnie essentially becomes so dumb he makes Mikey look smart. And oh yeah, the Creep is back.)

[Metalwolf]

Is it just me or does it almost look like an intentional mockery of Krang? I say "almost" because it's hard to make the original Krang look even sillier than he already did but this is clearly a more "obese" looking design and I don't remember Krang ever having a pointless handle on the back.

http://media.comicbook.com/uploads1/2015/05/krang-136340.jpgI'm wondering if it isn't just Krang done up in 2k12's style. Half of the characters are done up with skinny legs and big balloon feet, so we won't know until it plays to see if it is a true mockery. Plus judging by the 'glasses' on the robot, the handle might be there to make it look like a futuristic 'robot' without changing too much of the 80's design. It's also possible the robot turns out to be a throwback Kraang design too.

I'm really hoping (and betting) this isn't a 'sequel' to Turtles Forever, because this already is leagues better then that abomination. The OT Turtles didn't run away when the Nick Turtles drew blades, didn't cry (when they fought Tigerclaw) didn't giggle like idiots, and actually feel like they might be treated with respect. If that happens, I will be so thrilled.

[TurtleTitan97]

Is it just me or does it almost look like an intentional mockery of Krang? I say "almost" because it's hard to make the original Krang look even sillier than he already did but this is clearly a more "obese" looking design and I don't remember Krang ever having a pointless handle on the back.

http://media.comicbook.com/uploads1/2015/05/krang-136340.jpg

I think it's just you.

[CyberCubed]

I'm really hoping (and betting) this isn't a 'sequel' to Turtles Forever, because this already is leagues better then that abomination. The OT Turtles didn't run away when the Nick Turtles drew blades, didn't cry (when they fought Tigerclaw) didn't giggle like idiots, and actually feel like they might be treated with respect. If that happens, I will be so thrilled.

Turtles Forever isn't an abomination, so I don't know what you're talking about. The OT Turtles fought in Turtles Forever when they could just fine.

[evan2000]

I don't remember Krang ever having a pointless handle on the back.

Oh yeah, how could I forget to mention that pointless handle on Krang's back that they deliberately took it straight from the OT:

http://i.imgur.com/uKRAE3g.jpg

Oh wait... :trazz:

[TheJ-manTurtleMan]

It would be cool if they somehow acknowledge the events in Turtles Forever. These 80s turtles do seem to be less goofier then the ones in Turtles Forever. I wish they do visit the 2003 turtles universe, but it just seems to me that Ciro and company don't really care for 2003 turtles, and almost refuse to acknowledge it.

Also, I think "Pointless Krang Handle" is my new band name.

[victory_angel]

It would be cool if they somehow acknowledge the events in Turtles Forever. These 80s turtles do seem to be less goofier then the ones in Turtles Forever. I wish they do visit the 2003 turtles universe, but it just seems to me that Ciro and company don't really care for 2003 turtles, and almost refuse to acknowledge it.

Also, I think "Pointless Krang Handle" is my new band name.

Something along the lines of meeting another group like themselves but more serious and they fought long side them against an alien Shredder.

[Commenter 42]

TMNT NYCC 2015 Panel video with Season 4 Sneak Peek.

OF621AINiT4

Thanks for sharing that. You just redeemed yourself for every pointless PDMT 2 pic you've shared this summer. I tip my hat my man.

The cross-over seg made my week - maybe my month. An almost diabetic-coma inducing sugar rush of nostalgia. That Krang model.

Tennant is PERFECT as Fugitoid.

The cross-over needs to be as big as they can make it - 1 hour isn't enough!

[evan2000]

It would be cool if they somehow acknowledge the events in Turtles Forever.

As I mentioned earlier OT Donnie seems to be holding the same "portable portal" he used in Turtles Forever, so there's a chance they would acknowledge it.

[TheJ-manTurtleMan]

As I mentioned earlier OT Donnie seems to be holding the same "portable portal" he used in Turtles Forever, so there's a chance they would acknowledge it.

True, it does look different than the one in Turtles Forever, but that may just be the animatic,

[evan2000]

True, it does look different than the one in Turtles Forever, but that may just be the animatic,

Kinda think of it, Turtles Forever aside, has OT Donnie ever owned a "portable portal"?

Overall I think the 3D Krang design is pretty spot-on and accurate to the OT. The "proportion" is somewhat a moot point since it was hardly consistent in the OT anyway! :trazz:

http://i.imgur.com/HbH7geH.gifhttp://i.imgur.com/7h1MfUN.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xDVULGE.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/fLiUSXH.jpg

[Ceres]

Yes and you'll be updating your sig soon for the potential new member(s) :tlol:



Not only that, Krang has also been retconned as a cousin of Kraang sub-prime and therefore was once an Utrom too, technically.

There you have it - it was ultimately the Kraang race who connected the entire TMNT multiverse into one single continuity :tlol:

Also it seems like OT Donnie was holding the same "portable portal" he used in Turtles Forever, and probably used it to beam the Nick turtles over. How it all started? The OT Technodrome malfunctioned which led them all to the 2003 universe (how Turtles Forever began). Again due to Krang/Kraang tech :trazz:



I wouldn't categorize missing the end of season 3 as "not missing much"



I guess most people can keep up by simply watching Dinosaur Seen in Sewers! followed by Annihilation: Earth!, although I'd still recommend watching all of them (especially non-filler eps) if time permits.

Oh man i not even thought of that, thanks for giving me the idea :D Definitely will go on my list to do lol.

[evan2000]

Oh man i not even thought of that, thanks for giving me the idea :D Definitely will go on my list to do lol.

:twink:

Made another gif of 3D Krang in a much more natural stance (taken from the official NYCC panel video):

http://i.imgur.com/EPOpe9N.gif

He is definitely the Krang we all knew and loved (or hated, take your pick) :tlol:

[Ceres]

:twink:

Made another gif of 3D Krang in a much more natural stance (taken from the official NYCC panel video):

http://i.imgur.com/EPOpe9N.gif

He is definitely the Krang we all knew and loved (or hated, take your pick) :tlol:

i still have to laugh over his looks in the new cartoon...i mean his double chin changed into a tripple chin! xDDD It looks so ridiculous i couldn't stop myself from laughing...I can't wait for scenes with him in his body suit and Kraang Subprime his so called "cousin" lol. KSP should wear his Irma suit for that, so both could ridicule each other..

[neatoman]

On the subject of Turtles Forever I'm just going to be honest, I don't like the Fred Wolf cartoon and I'm not at all bothered by it's potrayal of the Fred Wolf turtles. From my point of view Turtles Forever was mostly accurate and when I watch the Fred Wolf cartoon it just further cements that feeling.

The Fred Wolf show, as popular as it might have been, is not good. Even putting aside production errors, it still suffers from really bad writing. When people defend it they usually go for the comedy as their main argument, as comedy is largely subjective and eventually became the show's primary drive, but personally I just find the comedy painfully unfunny nine times out of ten.

The only way I stand watching most episodes is by making fun of the flaws, not pretending the show's own comedy is funny.

[TheJ-manTurtleMan]

Kinda think of it, Turtles Forever aside, has OT Donnie ever owned a "portable portal"?

I can't recall him ever having a "portable portal" all I remember is his stationary portal in his lab.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

On the subject of Turtles Forever I'm just going to be honest, I don't like the Fred Wolf cartoon and I'm not at all bothered by it's potrayal of the Fred Wolf turtles. From my point of view Turtles Forever was mostly accurate and when I watch the Fred Wolf cartoon it just further cements that feeling.

The Fred Wolf show, as popular as it might have been, is not good. Even putting aside production errors, it still suffers from really bad writing. When people defend it they usually go for the comedy as their main argument, as comedy is largely subjective and eventually became the show's primary drive, but personally I just find the comedy painfully unfunny nine times out of ten.

The only way I stand watching most episodes is by making fun of the flaws, not pretending the show's own comedy is funny.

I understand. It's definitely aged. During the time though, it was one of the greatest cartoons I ever watched. It wasn't every day you got a cartoon with ninjas. For me, it was the overall design and feel of the turtles. It was ridiculous at times but we kids didn't care. We just wanted to watch them kick butt (I use those words mildly since there wasn't a lot of action). There are some fans of the OT that don't remember when the turtles did fight a mutant banana in one episode. While they may have gotten the turtles' characters a little off, their fight with the mutant food was absolutely correct. Nick's show is basically given the younger generation what we 80s fans grew up with except a little more faithful. Personally, I still hope we get a crossover with the 2003 series turtles since I believe the current run of the turtles have a lot more in common with them. But it is nostalgic for us to see these old turtles again. They're like the 66 TV series Batman for me.

[ssjup81]

I understand. It's definitely aged. During the time though, it was one of the greatest cartoons I ever watched. It wasn't every day you got a cartoon with ninjas. For me, it was the overall design and feel of the turtles. It was ridiculous at times but we kids didn't care. We just wanted to watch them kick butt (I use those words mildly since there wasn't a lot of action). There are some fans of the OT that don't remember when the turtles did fight a mutant banana in one episode. While they may have gotten the turtles' characters a little off, their fight with the mutant food was absolutely correct. Nick's show is basically given the younger generation what we 80s fans grew up with except a little more faithful. Personally, I still hope we get a crossover with the 2003 series turtles since I believe the current run of the turtles have a lot more in common with them. But it is nostalgic for us to see these old turtles again. They're like the 66 TV series Batman for me.I agree with this, although personally, I liked the humor in the OT, especially when they pointed out the ridiculousness of something, like why a character from a dimension based in ancient Japan could somehow speak English. There was a lot of ironic humor, which is what I enjoyed most and which is why I can still enjoy the show to some extent as an adult. Of course there are some eps that I definitely enjoyed more as a kid, like "Raphael Knocks 'em Dead"...the ep with the comedians being abducted and was introduced to Barney (or was it Bernie) Stockman. I loved this ep as a kid. Thought it was funny. As an adult...not so much, but give it credit for the bad humor as that was the point of the episode. So yeah, ironic humor. This also why I liked You Can't Do That on Television so much, but as an adult, I really prefer the 1979 and 1981 eps. Hm, probably also the reason why I'm enjoying Sonic Boom so much. Ironic humor.

[cookie jar]

http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tv/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-riddle-of-the-ancient-aeons/EP015893230097?aid=zap2it
New episode Riddle of the Ancient Aeons (S04, E05)

[tmnt_LRDM]

http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tv/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-riddle-of-the-ancient-aeons/EP015893230097?aid=zap2it
New episode Riddle of the Ancient Aeons (S04, E05)

So they decided to give the name out of the 5th episode, but not the 4th and 3rd?? Unless I'm missing something.

[Vicky82]

So they decided to give the name out of the 5th episode, but not the 4th and 3rd?? Unless I'm missing something.


I found these 2 as well

The Outlaw Armaggon

http://tvschedule.zap2it.com/tv/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-riddle-of-the-ancient-aeons/EP015893230098?aid=tvschedule

The Weird World of Wyrm

http://tvschedule.zap2it.com/tv/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-riddle-of-the-ancient-aeons/EP015893230099?aid=tvschedule

They could be out of order.

[Ravenshell]

Does that Commander have his insides and ribcage exposed? He should check that out and patch that up inside. Someone can easily shoot your insides like that. EDIT: He also seems to have a robo-eye. What's with villains in this series having asymmetrical designs? Asymmetrical eyes and limbs seem to be a common thing with villains in this series.

That makes the third character in she show with a dead eye. (4, if you count Old Hob.) It's like their go-to disability that doesn't actually incapacitate a character and sign of veteran warrior-ship...

Everybody loves some exposed, color-coded guts, right? I'm sure they put some space-plastic over that. It might even have a purpose... like, "Dude, did you know your pancreas is bleeding?!"

Wow, I wonder why they went back up to 26 episodes. I was getting worried the shorter 20 episode order was a sign Nick was losing faith in the show, but to have a full 26 episode Season 4? I think he also implied Season 5 will have 26 episodes too.


I guess they got far enough in finishing production for the 20 core episodes they were planning for this season, and decided that they could manage another six after all. Setting it at 20 to begin with might have to do with problems they had making season 3, and why 3 was so scattered schedule-wise. They went with what they knew they could manage, and when they achieved that, could shoot for the full 26.

You know, Wyrm in this version is a cosmic genie, what if one of the Turtles made a wish to be human? Donnie in particular?

Don's not human in the clip showed, and it's implied that two of the three wishes have been made... I don't think Donnie would be dumb or selfish enough to risk unleashing a being of ultimate chaos on the universe over his crush.

Given that Casey looks like Dr. Manhattan, and based on what April said to him in that clip, my husband theorized that he must have wished he was smart/smarter than Donnie.

[tmnt_LRDM]

Don's not human in the clip showed, and it's implied that two of the three wishes have been made... I don't think Donnie would be dumb or selfish enough to risk unleashing a being of ultimate chaos on the universe over his crush.

Given that Casey looks like Dr. Manhattan, and based on what April said to him in that clip, my husband theorized that he must have wished he was smart/smarter than Donnie.

Now this is from Deviant Art where they got their info from tumblr, so this could be totally wrong, but I read that the first season 4 episode is going to have a MAJOR Apritello moment. I don't know what it will entail, but if your husband is right about Casey wishing to be smarter than Donnie, I'd say that it's huge.

However, this makes me wonder who made the other wish, and what they would possibly wish for?

[tylerdavies]

I understand. It's definitely aged. During the time though, it was one of the greatest cartoons I ever watched.

Personally, I still hope we get a crossover with the 2003 series turtles since I believe the current run of the turtles have a lot more in common with them. But it is nostalgic for us to see these old turtles again. They're like the 66 TV series Batman for me.

I never grew up with the 80's turtle toon but I've seen a couple episodes and
yeah, it's aged pretty poorly. It was great at the time but compared to today's standard of cartoons it's mediocre. Most older cartoons are.

I doubt that the 2k3 turtles will meet and talk to the turtles but I sure hope that we at least get a little 2k3 easter egg in the crossover. Whether it's just the turtles peering into their dimension or voiceless 2k3 cameos I'll be fine with it. I wonder what the the Nick and 80's turtles would think of the 2k3verse. Mikey we'll probably point it out being too melodramatic or something because they're mostly goofy.

Ciro mentioned that the turtles "might" hop into a comic dimension. Might being most likely yes. So it will be cool to see the mirage turtles interact with the nick and 80's ones. Does anyone know if it's just an episode or an hour long? I'm reading people saying an hour but is it confirmed?

[SKX31]

I never grew up with the 80's turtle toon but I've seen a couple episodes and
yeah, it's aged pretty poorly. It was great at the time but compared to today's standard of cartoons it's mediocre. Most older cartoons are.

We should probably judge OT and contemporaries by the standards of the time. Some important considerations:

* Yes, the Mirage comics as well as DC / Marvel existed at the time and were / were going in a dark direction. But the spotlight was 90 % on the FW cartoon, G1 Transformers etc.

* FW was produced before BTAS, Gargoyles etc. started to change the way people look at cartoons. The mentality was still very much "Cartoons are for kids!" as a result of what had happened in the TV landscape during the previous 25 years. Even with Roger Rabbit, those cartoons were still a few years off.

* The toy angle was HUGELY controversial at the time. Congress had only passed the law allowing toy-based cartoons in 83. So parent groups etc. (who were still influential) were very active - as they had been during the 60s / 70s too.

This article from 1990 is interesting because of those three reasons. (http://articles.latimes.com/1990-08-27/news/vw-116_1_teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles)

That said, I'm hoping for some tech-related jokes in the crossover. "Why are you using stone age VHS cassettes of all things?" and "You call those blocks "Smart" phones?"

[CyberCubed]

The original cartoon is the best aged 80's cartoon and holds up well considering it pre-dates the 90's cartoon rennassaince.

[shredder orokusaki]

Cant wait to see again Krang in his robot body with the red uderwear and sunglases on my PC in FULL HD 1920x1080 resolution! He will look great!! It is classic characters like him that will never be forgotten!! I realy wish that we had the graphics techology of today back in the 80... Can you imagine how awesome the cartoon would had lokked with current techology?!

[GoldMutant]

The original cartoon is the best aged 80's cartoon and holds up well considering it pre-dates the 90's cartoon rennassaince.

Ducktales, GI Joe, and the Transformers would like a word with you. ;)

[Metalwolf]

On the subject of Turtles Forever I'm just going to be honest, I don't like the Fred Wolf cartoon and I'm not at all bothered by it's potrayal of the Fred Wolf turtles. From my point of view Turtles Forever was mostly accurate and when I watch the Fred Wolf cartoon it just further cements that feeling.

The Fred Wolf show, as popular as it might have been, is not good. Even putting aside production errors, it still suffers from really bad writing. When people defend it they usually go for the comedy as their main argument, as comedy is largely subjective and eventually became the show's primary drive, but personally I just find the comedy painfully unfunny nine times out of ten.

The only way I stand watching most episodes is by making fun of the flaws, not pretending the show's own comedy is funny.I think what bothered me most about Turtles Forever in TMNT is how it actually implies that destroying their 'multiverse' is kinda easy, with almost any sufficiently high level of villain being able to do it. Then they imply that even 'in-universe' the characters are considered to be not real, being everything is ultimately governed by a comic book universe, written by real 'in-universe' versions of Eastman and Laird. I think for me, the movie almost ruined my interest in TMNT because while there is escapism, there is a point where you can get too weird and then it's a lot harder to escape into it without wondering 'How can they ever relax if their multiverse is destroyed that easily?' and 'Why should I care about them when even their own 'multiverse' says that they're not real?'

The other thing that bothers me a lot is simply that one can't state their dislike of this particular movie without people saying your dislike of it is wrong and that somehow you just aren't seeing it's 'goodness.' Most other TMNT cartoons and films people aren't this strong about pushing a particular 'liking' and 'acceptance' towards any of them, which makes me not mind most of the bad bits and that I can take them or leave them for the most part. (Even the 2014 Turtle movie too! :tcool: ) I think what I really wish is that people acknowledged that some of us just didn't like it, and don't push that are opinions are wrong. Not everybody liked that movie for X, Y and Z reasons, and to them, those were dealbreakers. For me, it was about as delightful a turd as the 2014 Turtle movie was, mainly because of the things I listed.

Anyhow, I think this crossover looks like it's going to be interesting. If they have the Mirage Turtles I wonder how they are going to fit in their grittier and amoral personalities, since the comics went into some quite dark territory? Are they going to 'water them down' or will they show them in their full 'glory?'

[SKX31]

I think what bothered me most about Turtles Forever in TMNT is how it actually implies that destroying their 'multiverse' is kinda easy, with almost any sufficiently high level of villain being able to do it. Then they imply that even 'in-universe' the characters are considered to be not real, being everything is ultimately governed by a comic book universe, written by real 'in-universe' versions of Eastman and Laird. I think for me, the movie almost ruined my interest in TMNT because while there is escapism, there is a point where you can get too weird and then it's a lot harder to escape into it without wondering 'How can they ever relax if their multiverse is destroyed that easily?' and 'Why should I care about them when even their own 'multiverse' says that they're not real?'

Speculation time!

The counterargument is that it isn't that easy. The Technodrome entered 4Kidsverse completely by accident - implying that the universes are separated by at least some distance to each other. And then, the thing that caused Ch'rell to mentally break was scores of TMNT dimensions all obeying similar parameters.

So the Kraang, even if they have portals into FW-verse, might not have discovered many of the other verses simply because many other TMNT verses don't have Dimension X / the Nick verse is relatively isolated / the authors control what to show.

And then, there's a chance that OUR universe is simulated or in some other way fictional. Why should we care then?

That said, I don't blame you for thinking that way. It's a pretty valid question you're stating.

[ssjup81]

I know some were asking about Donatello's Portable Portal and whether or not the OT Donatello actually had one. Yes, he did. That giant stationary one and a Portable one...but his Portable Portal was bulky and on wheels. You can see it in the season 7 ep about those two convicts breaking out of a prison in Dimension X and switching places with Irma and Vernon. The Portable Portal is what caused the problem.

[Autbot_Benz]

On the subject of Turtles Forever I'm just going to be honest, I don't like the Fred Wolf cartoon and I'm not at all bothered by it's potrayal of the Fred Wolf turtles. From my point of view Turtles Forever was mostly accurate and when I watch the Fred Wolf cartoon it just further cements that feeling.

The Fred Wolf show, as popular as it might have been, is not good. Even putting aside production errors, it still suffers from really bad writing. When people defend it they usually go for the comedy as their main argument, as comedy is largely subjective and eventually became the show's primary drive, but personally I just find the comedy painfully unfunny nine times out of ten.

The only way I stand watching most episodes is by making fun of the flaws, not pretending the show's own comedy is funny.
THIS I agree 100%

[CyberCubed]

Many of the original cartoon episodes hold up to this day. I don't know what you guys are talking about. The animation errors are a different story but I overlook those.

[SKX31]

On the subject of Turtles Forever I'm just going to be honest, I don't like the Fred Wolf cartoon and I'm not at all bothered by it's potrayal of the Fred Wolf turtles. From my point of view Turtles Forever was mostly accurate and when I watch the Fred Wolf cartoon it just further cements that feeling.

The Fred Wolf show, as popular as it might have been, is not good. Even putting aside production errors, it still suffers from really bad writing. When people defend it they usually go for the comedy as their main argument, as comedy is largely subjective and eventually became the show's primary drive, but personally I just find the comedy painfully unfunny nine times out of ten.

The only way I stand watching most episodes is by making fun of the flaws, not pretending the show's own comedy is funny.

The biggest flaw it had scripting wise, IMHO, was that it didn't really know if it should be a Negative Continuity or not. I'm looking at all the times the Technodrome was stuck somewhere - in the ice caps, Dimension X, Earth's core, etc. Did those locations mean anything? No, Shredder and Krang still came up with Scheme #whatever to refuel the Technodrome / take out the Turtles / kidnap April.

It's like the writing staff implied they wanted to follow a storyline ala. Season 1 / early Season 2, but didn't change Status quo until Season 8 hit because "It's a kid's show!" / "We gotta introduce this new toy!".

As a result, the overall product feels like it's all over the place.

David Wise's recycling and subplot-heavy scripts shouldn't be ignored, though. Even if the recycling, cliché scripts and blatant ripoffs is kinda expected for that time's standards. Quoting Mark Pellegrini on "Bebop and Rocksteady conquers the universe": (http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/2013/11/21/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-1987-season-4-part-3-review/)

Bebop and Rocksteady steal a device called the anxietron, which cripples everyone it zaps with fear, and use it to overthrow Shredder and Krang. After the Turtles get zapped with the ray, only Zach can save the day and reverse the effects.

...

This episode is a bit cluttered with just a whole lot of… stuff. You’ve got Bebop and Rocksteady wreaking havoc on the city, Krang and Shredder trying to summon up the courage to reverse the anxietron’s effects, the Turtles getting scared but braving danger anyway, Splinter getting tied to some train tracks with impending doom careening his way, Zach determining to prove to some schoolyard bullies wrong that he really is the Fifth Turtle, and April getting swallowed by a giant dinosaur robot that goes haywire and rampages through the city."

It's the worst example of subplots, but even great episodes like "Cowabunga Shredhead" had some B-plots that wasn't executed perfectly.

On that note, how many subplots should we expect the crossover to have? On one hand, it's probably going to be 60 minutes. So we should expect at least one subplot. On the other, if a certain subplot isn't Nick-related it might not get resolved unless another crossover becomes a reality (looking at you, Forever and how it handled 87 April).

[MisfitKraang]

ones to watch

Deadly Venom (First part of Karai being brainwashed)

Turtles in time (simply because it introduces Renet and leads into the tale of the Youkai.)

Tale of the Yokai (Extensive backstory on Hamato Yoshi and Oroku Saki)

Fourfold trap (Karai is still brainwashed and ready to threaten the Turtles once again.)

Dinosaur Seen in Sewers (Must see as a lead into the season finally)

(Tie into story, but more or less skipable)
Attack of the Mega Shredder (a Meh episode. But it has a plot point that appears in the next two episodes.)

Creeping Doom (Another Meh episode. Donnie essentially becomes so dumb he makes Mikey look smart. And oh yeah, the Creep is back.)


Okay got it!! Thank you so much I'll be sure to check them out before season 4!!!!:D

[CyberCubed]

Don't skip episodes. Watch them all and form your own opinions. Also not watching every episode at least once is absurd especially if you want to follow a series.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Many of the original cartoon episodes hold up to this day. I don't know what you guys are talking about. The animation errors are a different story but I overlook those.

You have a different mindset and viewpoint then we do.

[CyberCubed]

You have a different mindset and viewpoint then we do.

Because you're comparing it to cartoons with continuity.

[TigerClaw]

The Sal Commander's actual name is Gathrokka, I'm sure Mona Lisa has an actual name too, then Mikey would jump in and call her Mona Lisa.