The only universe where Shredder succesfully kills Splinter

[CyberCubed]

In 30 years of TMNT history, this is the only universe where Shredder actually successfully killed Splinter. The other closest would be IDW, where Shredder kills Hamato Yoshi in Feudal Japan before he's resurrected, but he never killed him again in his mutated Splinter form.

Mirage: Shredder kills Yoshi, but Splinter trains the Turtles to kill Shredder.

Original movies: Shredder kills Yoshi, but Splinter himself "kills" Shredder, or so we think until TMNT II. Super Shredder killed by his own hand.

Original cartoon: Obviously neither Shredder nor Splinter kill each other. Shredder is still stranded in Dimension X by the end of the show.

4kids: Shredder kills Yoshi, again Splinter and the Turtles defeat Ch'rell afterward many times and into Turtles Forever.

Archie: Shredder goes insane during, "Year of the Turtle."

IDW: Shredder kills Yoshi, he comes back as Splinter centuries later.

Nick: Shredder kills Splinter


Its 30 years in the making.

[ssjup81]

I find it ironic that this occurred with a Nick show. Mind blown. lol

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Wow, that Nick would be the ones to make it happen... good observation, both of you guys!

[Blackeyedsonic]

Ill wait to see if it sticks before I get excited

[Coola Yagami]

Ill wait to see if it sticks before I get excited

It won't. Somehow they'll bring back the Earth and everyone on it. They'd have to come up with some whacked out reason of how they'd somehow revive Shredder, Karai, the Mutaminals and everyone else except Splinter.

[Shark_Blade]

Didn't splinter die in 2k3 "same as it never was"? By shredder right?

[CyberCubed]

Didn't splinter die in 2k3 "same as it never was"? By shredder right?

Well that's an alternate universe.

[ssjup81]

It won't. Somehow they'll bring back the Earth and everyone on it. They'd have to come up with some whacked out reason of how they'd somehow revive Shredder, Karai, the Mutaminals and everyone else except Splinter.Kind of beside the point. Yeah, we know things will get "reset" in some way, but it still doesn't change the fact that Shredder did kill him.

Personally, I hope this does stick, and maybe have flashbacks for scenes with him. I could see them maybe going back in time and maybe stopping the device but being unable to prevent his death, that kind of thing.

[neatoman]

I don't really care wheter or not Shredder killed Splinter here. Earth was going to blow up anyway, so when you think about it it's unimportant if Shredder did it himself, the destruction of the planet would have done him in anyway.

Besides, IDW recently outdid this moment with a much more meaningful death scene, if you read issue 50 you know exactly what I'm talking about.

[Shark_Blade]

Well that's an alternate universe.

But it's in 2k3 after all! :D It happened somewhere else, but when Donnie got back it's as if it never happened.

Same as 2k12, they'd turn back time as if it never happened.

[Coola Yagami]

Yeah.... whenever they do turn back time and reset this..... Shredder killing Splinter will be sort of an alternate reality. A reality where the Triceratons blew up planet Earth and end of story.

[neatoman]

Yeah.... whenever they do turn back time and reset this..... Shredder killing Splinter will be sort of an alternate reality. A reality where the Triceratons blew up planet Earth and end of story.

Well I mean obviously the whole "Shredder kills Splinter" moment only happened because it won't matter, that much is obvious as Splinter would have died anyway in this scenario. If the Turtles are successful in preventing the weapon from being assembled, then the whole scenario in which Shredder killed Splinter won't happen at all. If they fail, then tripping Shredder at the right moment will save both Splinter and the earth. It's not at all hard to figure out.

Something else I realised is how nonsensical it is for the Turtles to survive this while the Mutanimals and Foot Mutants don't. They were all in the same spot, so there's really no reason why they were able to get to Honeycutt's ship while everyone else was sucked into the black hole.

[SKX31]

Something else I realised is how nonsensical it is for the Turtles to survive this while the Mutanimals and Foot Mutants don't. They were all in the same spot, so there's really no reason why they were able to get to Honeycutt's ship while everyone else was sucked into the black hole.

Ah, but you see: there's one reason for it. Only one thing allowed them to stay on the ground while heavier friends and foes got sucked in.

The Turtles + April / Casey have Plot Armor. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PlotArmor)

[Speedy Cerviche]

Maybe it should be more along the lines of the Nick show was the first to kill Splinter "onscreen".

[Powder]

A bump for semantics...

[miru]

I don't really care wheter or not Shredder killed Splinter here. Earth was going to blow up anyway, so when you think about it it's unimportant if Shredder did it himself, the destruction of the planet would have done him in anyway.

Besides, IDW recently outdid this moment with a much more meaningful death scene, if you read issue 50 you know exactly what I'm talking about.

The undoing of the Black Hole Generator would only undo deaths caused by it. Master Splinter is not one of them. He's dead.

[ssjup81]

The undoing of the Black Hole Generator would only undo deaths caused by it. Master Splinter is not one of them. He's dead.Very true, but if the Turtles can prevent the gathering of all the parts, then Splinter wouldn't have teamed up with Shredder at all, hence no perm death.

[shredder orokusaki]

I killled Splinter! They can not save him! MUAHHAHAHH

[victory_angel]

Very true, but if the Turtles can prevent the gathering of all the parts, then Splinter wouldn't have teamed up with Shredder at all, hence no perm death.

But this is still the best case scenario. As the Triceraton's are bigger, stronger, and more numerous then the Turtles and company. The task to get the parts of the heart of darkness would be extremely, extremely difficult.

[ABrown]

Yeah, I agree with those who've stated that it's basically the same thing that happened in the SAINW episode of the 4Kids series. Whether it be an alternate timeline or an alternate universe. In both cases, our Splinter lives.

[Candy Kappa]

unlike SAINW, it happened in the current timeline the show follows and isn't some dystopian future the Turtle(s) are dumped into.

[Newton Gimmick]

Shredder definitely killed Splinter. And did so at the cost of himself and potentially all of Earth.

But the Turtles went back in time to correct all that. So they will inevitably, undo it all.

Still, in current time, yeah he's dead.

[thundermaster612]

I killled Splinter! They can not save him! MUAHHAHAHH

sometimes you remind me of BaxterStockman19....SOMETIMES...
(are you guys related?)

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Not to split (rat) hairs here, but- the whole REASON the Earth was sucked in was BECAUSE Shredder killed Splinter right as he was about to deactivate the device! If he hadn't done that, Splinter would have stopped it at the last second. Thus, if Shredder hadn't done that, there wouldn't have BEEN a black hole, so NO, Splinter wouldn't have "died anyway". Splinter wouldn't have died from the black hole without Shredder killing him, because he would have stopped the Heart of Darkness before it activated! No Shredder backstab, no black hole, and no Splinter (or anyone else) getting killed.

Shredder was the ultimate douche- he f*cked over the entire planet (including himself, which is REALLY stupid) over his hatred for Yoshi. Also, he claims he "won", when in reality, he LOST. He's not only a douche, but an idiot to boot. You don't "win" anything by letting the world be destroyed. But he's nuts, so.... :trolleye:

[victory_angel]

Not to split (rat) hairs here, but- the whole REASON the Earth was sucked in was BECAUSE Shredder killed Splinter right as he was about to deactivate the device! If he hadn't done that, Splinter would have stopped it at the last second. Thus, if Shredder hadn't done that, there wouldn't have BEEN a black hole, so NO, Splinter wouldn't have "died anyway". Splinter wouldn't have died from the black hole without Shredder killing him, because he would have stopped the Heart of Darkness before it activated! No Shredder backstab, no black hole, and no Splinter (or anyone else) getting killed.

Shredder was the ultimate douche- he f*cked over the entire planet (including himself, which is REALLY stupid) over his hatred for Yoshi. Also, he claims he "won", when in reality, he LOST. He's not only a douche, but an idiot to boot. You don't "win" anything by letting the world be destroyed. But he's nuts, so.... :trolleye:

And that was how Earth was destroyed, all thanks to the Shredder. Thank you so very much you cray cray sociopath.

[srmff]

Shredder was the ultimate douche- he f*cked over the entire planet (including himself, which is REALLY stupid) over his hatred for Yoshi. Also, he claims he "won", when in reality, he LOST. He's not only a douche, but an idiot to boot. You don't "win" anything by letting the world be destroyed. But he's nuts, so.... :trolleye:

Unfortunately there are too many people like that in real life who have no hesitation in killing themselves as long as many others die with them :(.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

The truly stupid part of that way of thinking is that he allied with Splinter to help Karai. His actions ensured that would be utterly impossible. He destroyed the very thing he was trying to save. Basically, it was a case of cutting off one's nose to spite their own face.