Ot/ modern toon crossover

[Etsyturtle2]

So, it's confirmed that it is happening. What do you think? Is it a cheap idea? Is it kind of cliche after turtles forever? Post what you think about the crossover, what you hope for it, and what cannot happen in it. Should we include the 2003 turtles? Just, talk it out here I guess. I'm curious to see other peoples thoughts on this.

[ssjup81]

Probably better to just use the season 4 discussion thread...but I'm stoked for it.

[Skinrash]

So, it's confirmed that it is happening.
Link to source then please.

[victory_angel]

Link to source then please.

It was confirmed during the NY Comic Con that there would be an episode where the Nick TMNT meet their 1987 counterparts complete with original cast.

They also had an animatic of part of that episode.

http://41.media.tumblr.com/76642f5ff6e9c1d935dac5e1c761fb93/tumblr_nvxorl12AC1t0m9o3o1_500.jpg

[Candy Kappa]

Link to source then please.

Like the majority of this thread?

hhttp://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=53317&page=15

[Etsyturtle2]

I hope they don't make the turtles like 5 year olds in this. The were not like that in the ot. Turtles forever screwed it up.

[neatoman]

I hope they don't make the turtles like 5 year olds in this. The were not like that in the ot. Turtles forever screwed it up.

Yeah, they were like 8 year olds in the show, they really messed that one up.

[Candy Kappa]

FW portrayed the FW Turtles relatively accurate, albeit slightly exaggerated to make contrast with the 2k3 Turtles and a limited run time with a movie that have 8 main characters and at the end 12 Turtles + all off the supporting characters.

[Foombamaroom]

The only thing pissing me off is that they're giving the 2003 show the cold shoulder. I NEED to see 2003 Chr'ell fight 2012 Shredder.

[neatoman]

The only thing pissing me off is that they're giving the 2003 show the cold shoulder. I NEED to see 2003 Chr'ell fight 2012 Shredder.

Who knows, maybe Ch'rell is the true mastermind behind this whole plot? I doubt it, but Splinter did say that he didn't think Ch'rell was gone for good at the end of Turtles Forever.

FW portrayed the FW Turtles relatively accurate, albeit slightly exaggerated to make contrast with the 2k3 Turtles and a limited run time with a movie that have 8 main characters and at the end 12 Turtles + all off the supporting characters.

Makes me wonder though, the Fred Wolf Turtles have contrast with the Nick Turtles as well. If they don't, the crossover is just going to feel weird.

[SKX31]

Who knows, maybe Ch'rell is the true mastermind behind this whole plot? I doubt it, but Splinter did say that he didn't think Ch'rell was gone for good at the end of Turtles Forever.


That'd make sense. Or if Krang created the Kraang from Ch'rell's and his own DNA.

Optimally, the crossovers should be FW / Nick and 4Kids / Nick. Gives 60 minutes to FW, and 60 minutes to 4Kids.

That's a big reason why I'm also angered by the cold shoulder. So at this point, I'd be happy with any kind of appearances from the 4Kids verse.

If a 4Kids / Nick crossover happens (huge if, but I'm going with the scenario), it could be about the older / younger dynamic. Nick Leo and Mikey look up to their 4Kids counterparts as soon as they learn about the 4Kids exploits ("Whoa, you won a huge tournament? And the rematch?"). But the 4Kids Turtles ain't perfect either, so it becomes a bit of a character journey to respect each other.

In the end, for example: 4Kids Leo learns to be a bit more open about himself and his hobbies from Nick Leo, while Nick Leo learns a little more about recovering from traumas from 4Kids Leo.

And in the end, they resolve to kick some Foot and Purple Dragon butt.

Back to the FW crossover - they need a new contrast though. Maybe contrast between the Turtles themselves? Clarke's straightforward Leonardo vs. Green's fanboy Leo? Paulsen's 4th-wally / sarcastic Raphael vs. Astin's violent Raph? Coleman's laidback Michaelangelo vs. Cipes' hyper Mike? And... okay, Forever already did a Don contrast. Got anything else on Gordon vs. Paulsen?

[Shark_Blade]

I hope the OT animation is better than in Wormquake. That one looks like it's made by cheap Flash software.... :tconfuse:

Oh wait. Their style for 2D animations are like that, judging from the tv shows the turtles watched (Space Heroes, Super Mecha Force Five (?) and Crognard the Barbarian).

Oh well. I hope the script is good. :D

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

From the look of the animatic, the OT turtles will be competent and sane this time, thankfully. Unlike turtles forever. :tgrumble:

Hey, I know! For this special, let's portray the 2k3 turtles and all dark and super-duper serious and gritty edgy ninjas who can't even laugh at a joke, and make mirage TMNT so dark and grim, that anytime there's laughter or fun or color or light, they curl up into little balls groaning and screaming in pain like fun is their kryptonite, and they start to go crazy if they have to go five minutes without killing something! That's why they live in a black and white world, and narrate and monologue to themselves like crazy people! :lol:

[Shark_Blade]

Don't call them Prime Turtles crazy. They're high functioning sociopath who practices ninjitsu. >.>

[SKX31]

Hey, I know! For this special, let's portray the 2k3 turtles and all dark and super-duper serious and gritty edgy ninjas who can't even laugh at a joke, and make mirage TMNT so dark and grim, that anytime there's laughter or fun or color or light, they curl up into little balls groaning and screaming in pain like fun is their kryptonite, and they start to go crazy if they have to go five minutes without killing something! That's why they live in a black and white world, and narrate and monologue to themselves like crazy people! :lol:

I CAN SEE THE FUTURE!

*The 4th TMNT cartoon is produced non union. When it crosses over with 4Kids, the Nick turtles are portrayed as bipolars. One moment serious, the next goofy. With sound-alike VA's.*

It's the circle of (TMNT) life!

[Mutant Ninja Anole]

I'm going to talk completely out of my rear and say that there's probably a lot of legal/executive reasons for 2k3 not being in here. Does 4kids still get money from sales of 2k3 tv shows?

That said, you do run the risk of overrunning the episode with characters. You already have 8 turtles, we've already hit the Rule of 7 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Magical_Number_Seven%2C_Plus_or_Minus_Two) and risk losing the audience by adding more. Perhaps we'll get a shout out, like the multiverse of turtles scene in Turtles Forever.

[Skinrash]

Like the majority of this thread?

hhttp://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=53317&page=15

Link doesn't work and I meant to an official source.

[Powder]

I'm going to talk completely out of my rear and say that there's probably a lot of legal/executive reasons for 2k3 not being in here. Does 4kids still get money from sales of 2k3 tv shows?


I don't believe they receive royalties, if I remember correctly they were a complication with the license's sale. They had to be bought out for 10 million dollars & I think that left Viacom with a sour taste in their mouth about the 4kids series.

[victory_angel]

Yeah, they were like 8 year olds in the show, they really messed that one up.

They also had the voice actors that weren't that familiar with who those characters actually were or how they acted. And the same goes with the production crew. They were familiar enough to know the 87 turtles were a bunch of goofballs and and such. But with the 4kids group, the 2k3 version of the Turtles were their babies and of course got the better treatment.

I mean originally the OT Turtles weren't really related. They saw each other as friends more then brothers. And they also habitually called themselves by their full names then shortenings I.E. Raph, Leo or affectionations of their names like Mikey instead of Mike, or how Don is sometimes called Donny or Raph is on rare occasions called Raphie.


So in Turtles Forever when one of the Turtles warns Raphael of danger coming his way you see both versions of Raph say "Thanks bro..." in response. And of course the OT Turtles affectionizing their names.



As far as this newer cross over, the OT Turtles could be a vehicle that can make it possible for the Turtles to encounter other versions of themselves. All it would take was for the OT Turtles to mention that they have encountered other versions of themselves before. The first time we saw the OT Turtles in this show it was only a small cameo in Manhattan project, this not only suggested that there were other dimensions where they existed. But it was testing the waters for the possibility of there being a cross over between the two worlds. So the next world the Turtles need to encounter is the Original Mirage, and possibly the 2k3 version.

[Konchadunga]

For the record, I have challenged people who claim Turtles Forever was accurate to a scavenger hunt multiple times, asking them to point to examples of the Fred Wolf turtles in their actual series doing such things as breaking down and crying, obsessing with pizza as a whole, or Donatello saying science isn't all about facts, and the most any of them has been able to do in response is dodge the challenge by moving the goalpost to shaky claims like "they deserved it for how they bastardized Mirage" or "Their point was a meta condensation of all the 1987 show's comedic stupidity onto the Turtles themselves."

The first defense would be more compelling if it had been the Mirage Turtles playing the sane men and mocking the 1987 series, but they were barely there and if anything they were more misinterpreted than the Fred Wolf turtles during the brief moment that they were; instead, the show held up its own take on the series as the standard, when in fact, it had itself abandoned any loyalty it once had to the Mirage series for several years. Also, as Cheshire Cat Studios put well in their review, constantly saying "What the Shell" is arguably just as embarrassing as constantly referencing pizza, yet the movie never mocks that.

The second defense, that TF was a meta condensation of all the Wolfverse's silliness onto the Turtles themselves, does less to close the case and more to open the writers to scrutiny as to why they chose that approach, and furthermore, so far as I can recall it has never been sourced to the film's writers actually saying that was their goal. Absent any other evidence, I think what Occam's Razor suggests as the real reason they were so bad at adapting the 1987 series is because 4Kids was flat-out terrible at adapting things in general. If Peter Laird's leaked diaries are anything to go by, they'd have screwed up Mirage too and much earlier if not for him constantly supervising, and tellingly, when he left to work on the movie, they went right ahead and abandoned their source to throw random trendy crap at the wall in hopes it would stick. Adding credence to this is that TF's writing was just bad and senseless on many other levels, as well.

Of course, this show's writing isn't any glowing standard either, and it could be just as lame at adaptations. Right off the bat in the animatic, they have an arguable problem TF didn't have; its supposed Fred Wolf Turtles act more like the jackasses in the live-action movies, but it got right the ridiculous slapstick excuses for fighting they did for much of the series. Here, they fight no differently than the 2012 turtles, although for viewers who really, really hate slapstick fighting, that might be a forgivable inaccuracy.

[CyberCubed]

Turtles Forever was great.

[sdp]

This can't be worse than turtles forever.

[Technogeek29]

Seeing less and less people's opinion on crossover and more of why I like or hate Turtles Forever.

That aside I am actually looking forward to this crossover it seems like fun little thing.

[Refractive Reflections]

Do we know specifically which season 4 episode it will be this time... or there hasn't been information on it yet? :ohwell:

[Powder]

Episode 13, I believe. Seems two part mid-season extravaganzas are the thing now. I dig.

[Shark_Blade]

Turtles Forever was great.

Turtles Forever is trash, they are full of themselves by glorifying themselves being better than OT, at the expense of writing the OT turtles as retarded children.

Good riddance to 2k3, they deserve no more screen time. The Bishop cameo in Annihilation Earth is more than enough acknowledgement as it is, now let's just forget them forever(pun intended). :tcool: God is fair and just, 2k3 deserves it.

2k12 took inspirations and regarded OT highly, they have my respect.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

The fact that you hate 2k3 and yet love the 2014 movie just baffles me.:roll:

[neatoman]

Turtles Forever is trash, they are full of themselves by glorifying themselves being better than OT, at the expense of writing the OT turtles as retarded children.

Good riddance to 2k3, they deserve no more screen time. The Bishop cameo in Annihilation Earth is more than enough acknowledgement as it is, now let's just forget them forever(pun intended). :tcool: God is fair and just, 2k3 deserves it.

2k12 took inspirations and regarded OT highly, they have my respect.

Do you actually think the Fred Wolf cartoon is good? Beyond nostalgia I mean.

Speaking as someone who don't have any nostalgia for it, it's like The Room or Plan 9. It's not something you watch for it's merits, it's something you watch to make fun of it's flaws.

[Technogeek29]

Turtles Forever is trash, they are full of themselves by glorifying themselves being better than OT, at the expense of writing the OT turtles as retarded children.

Good riddance to 2k3, they deserve no more screen time. The Bishop cameo in Annihilation Earth is more than enough acknowledgement as it is, now let's just forget them forever(pun intended). :tcool: God is fair and just, 2k3 deserves it.

2k12 took inspirations and regarded OT highly, they have my respect.

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[oldmanwinters]

That said, you do run the risk of overrunning the episode with characters. You already have 8 turtles, we've already hit the Rule of 7 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Magical_Number_Seven%2C_Plus_or_Minus_Two) and risk losing the audience by adding more. Perhaps we'll get a shout out, like the multiverse of turtles scene in Turtles Forever.

Interesting link! I hadn't heard an of that before, but it makes a lot of sense. Hence, why we have the "Magnificent Seven" as opposed to the "Elite 8." But when I think of multiple Turtle teams, I only think of all the characters in terms of duality. Basically, you have four characters being interpreted in two slightly different ways. So it's not hard for my brain to process multiverse as being only four characters, or... in a more symbolic sense... two characters, since I sometimes view the entire TMNT team as one complete character.



Hey, I know! For this special, let's portray the 2k3 turtles and all dark and super-duper serious and gritty edgy ninjas who can't even laugh at a joke, and make mirage TMNT so dark and grim, that anytime there's laughter or fun or color or light, they curl up into little balls groaning and screaming in pain like fun is their kryptonite, and they start to go crazy if they have to go five minutes without killing something! That's why they live in a black and white world, and narrate and monologue to themselves like crazy people! :lol:

One of my favorite episodes from Teen Titans Go!
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[sdp]

Turtles Forever depiction of the OT is an insult, the special got more wrong than right. The Nick show already showed more respect in their 1 minute appearance in Wormquake so I think they´ll do a great job. OT turtles are silly but not cowards nor stupid. Panda Khan makes a good analogy, if the 2k3 Turtles showed up in the Nick show being super gritty and dark who can´t laugh at a joke it would also be an insult to that show. I understand having a contrast and maybe exagerating a few characteristics but they went overboard.

I don´t get the hate for 2k3 though, it´s an amazing show and I hope they get some kind of cameo in the special. I understand why they´re not in the special, this is a crossover with the OT not a Turtle crossover movie but I definitely want a nod to the awesome 2k3 show and if they appear in the special then even better but it´s not necessary. Let´s hope crossovers become a tradition in every future cartoon. I remember being pissed since I thought Wormquake would be a full crossover and it was only a 1 minute scene, I felt I had been tricked by the early reports but I guess we´re finally getting it!

[Mutant Ninja Anole]

Turtles Forever was a lot of fun with great moments, but having the real original voices here almost makes this a better crossover by default.

I personally would have liked it if they weren't quite as heavy on emphasizing the silliness of the old show, though I do think some people had their nostalgia glasses on and forgot just how silly it was at times.

Which was a feature, not a bug.

[CyberCubed]

Turtles Forever is trash, they are full of themselves by glorifying themselves being better than OT, at the expense of writing the OT turtles as retarded children.

Good riddance to 2k3, they deserve no more screen time. The Bishop cameo in Annihilation Earth is more than enough acknowledgement as it is, now let's just forget them forever(pun intended). :tcool: God is fair and just, 2k3 deserves it.

2k12 took inspirations and regarded OT highly, they have my respect.

This is all nonsense. Turtles Forever was a fantastic movie that acted as a series finale to the 2k3 series and gave us a great crossover. Aside from the crying scene which should have been axed, everything else was fine.

[Autbot_Benz]

Link doesn't work and I meant to an official source.

they gave you an official source it was announced at NYCC They even showed you storyboards of the scene

TMNT Master ‏@TMNTMaster Oct 13

Sneak peek of the 80's/2012 #TMNT crossover episode storyboard. Can't wait for Season 4!!! http://tmnt.tumblr.com/post/131100222718/first-look-at-the-80s-turtle2012-turtle …

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[drgon78]

Never liked Turtles forever or the 2003 series in general.

[Icebot]

As a huge OT fan, I can't wait to see this!

[CyberCubed]

Never liked Turtles forever or the 2003 series in general.

So you don't like good writing? It wasn't just a good TMNT show, it was one of the best action-cartoons of the 2000's in general.

[Editor's Note Comics]

Oh that preview looks fantastic. Looks like it'll be a lot of fun

[sdp]

That animatic shows they're already respecting the OT turtles unlike TF. Anywho anyone remember the Turtles Forever tidbit that was revealed in the 4kids blog? It started with "I'm a reporter, april o neil" or whatever, that got me so hyped for TF, I'd love to hear it again, anyone have it?

[LeotheLateBloomer]

So you don't like good writing? It wasn't just a good TMNT show, it was one of the best action-cartoons of the 2000's in general.

Shell Yeah!

[shredder orokusaki]

I want to see the Kraang team up with the 80 Krang to defeat the turtles! Cant wait for it!!!

[ZariusTwo]

The gang haven't missed a beat:)

[Allio]

From the look of the animatic, the OT turtles will be competent and sane this time, thankfully. Unlike turtles forever. :tgrumble:

Hey, I know! For this special, let's portray the 2k3 turtles and all dark and super-duper serious and gritty edgy ninjas who can't even laugh at a joke, and make mirage TMNT so dark and grim, that anytime there's laughter or fun or color or light, they curl up into little balls groaning and screaming in pain like fun is their kryptonite, and they start to go crazy if they have to go five minutes without killing something! That's why they live in a black and white world, and narrate and monologue to themselves like crazy people! :lol:

Teen Titans Go already did that, and they were both pretty bad..."lets get serious" was "alright" but "Return of Slade" was worse.

as for Turtles Forever, sure the Turtles were exaggerated (though they did have great moments) but Shredder/Krang/Bebop/Rocksteady were easily still in character....and I believe those four are all that mattered.

Also, have you guys forgotten Tigerclaw kicked all four ot turtles' shells?

[myconius]

So, it's confirmed that it is happening. What do you think? Is it a cheap idea? Is it kind of cliche after turtles forever? Post what you think about the crossover, what you hope for it, and what cannot happen in it. Should we include the 2003 turtles? Just, talk it out here I guess. I'm curious to see other peoples thoughts on this.

i think it's awesome since they actually went through the trouble of hiring the original actors from the OT series!

i have a feeling this will be MUCH better than Turtles Forever in that regard. :)


From the look of the animatic, the OT turtles will be competent and sane this time, thankfully. Unlike turtles forever. :tgrumble:

Hey, I know! For this special, let's portray the 2k3 turtles and all dark and super-duper serious and gritty edgy ninjas who can't even laugh at a joke, and make mirage TMNT so dark and grim, that anytime there's laughter or fun or color or light, they curl up into little balls groaning and screaming in pain like fun is their kryptonite, and they start to go crazy if they have to go five minutes without killing something! That's why they live in a black and white world, and narrate and monologue to themselves like crazy people! :lol:

AMEN!!!!!! :D

[BubblyShell22]

So stoked for this. I agree that having the original VAs makes all the difference. TF was okay, but not having the original VAs kind of ruined it for me. I still liked it though and thought they did a good job bringing the Mirage Turtles in, too. I think this crossover will be fine and don't see what the big deal is. The Nick crew has already shown they have respect for what came before, so they'll do a good job with it.

[kelligrafie]

So you don't like good writing? It wasn't just a good TMNT show, it was one of the best action-cartoons of the 2000's in general.

Or maybe they just didn't like it.

This is what pisses me off about a lot (note: I said a lot, not all) of 2003 fans is that they can't get it through their skulls that some people just don't like the series. Irrespective of why; be it the animation style, the voices, the way the characters are portrayed etc. all that happens is you get instantly shot down.

Your loyalty to the franchise is questioned, your intelligence is questioned, your ability to recognise quality writing material is questioned.

I love 2012 but I understand that some TMNT fans wouldn't. I get it.

Some people don't like how April is Mary Sue 50% of the time and 50% the turtles' only true psychic saviour with her mystic powers.
Some people don't like the animation style and prefer the cartoons where the turtles are 2D.
Some people prefer reading comics to watching the shows so they can imagine the turtles' voices for themselves.

That's cool. That's fine. And you know what else is fine? NOT liking the 2003 series.




Getting ON topic. Stoked for this crossover episode.

[Skinrash]

they gave you an official source it was announced at NYCC They even showed you storyboards of the scene

TMNT Master ‏@TMNTMaster Oct 13

Sneak peek of the 80's/2012 #TMNT crossover episode storyboard. Can't wait for Season 4!!! http://tmnt.tumblr.com/post/131100222718/first-look-at-the-80s-turtle2012-turtle …

http://i59.tinypic.com/102o8pt.png

A claim was made with no official link to back it up along with a picture by a unspecified artist. This is the first link to a trustworthy source I have been given so far.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Or maybe they just didn't like it.

This is what pisses me off about a lot (note: I said a lot, not all) of 2003 fans is that they can't get it through their skulls that some people just don't like the series. Irrespective of why; be it the animation style, the voices, the way the characters are portrayed etc. all that happens is you get instantly shot down.

Your loyalty to the franchise is questioned, your intelligence is questioned, your ability to recognise quality writing material is questioned.

I love 2012 but I understand that some TMNT fans wouldn't. I get it.

Some people don't like how April is Mary Sue 50% of the time and 50% the turtles' only true psychic saviour with her mystic powers.
Some people don't like the animation style and prefer the cartoons where the turtles are 2D.
Some people prefer reading comics to watching the shows so they can imagine the turtles' voices for themselves.

That's cool. That's fine. And you know what else is fine? NOT liking the 2003 series.




Getting ON topic. Stoked for this crossover episode.

It's a lot like Batman fanboys that flip out if they find that you're a Batman fan who doesn't like Batman: The Animated Series, lol.

[Wildcat]

I'm excited. That clip was good but the Nick turtles being surprised by them doesn't really make sense because they've seen them before when they looked through the portal and Mikey says something like...why do we look like dorks?

I forgot exactly what he said.

[victory_angel]

I'm excited. That clip was good but the Nick turtles being surprised by them doesn't really make sense because they've seen them before when they looked through the portal and Mikey says something like...why do we look like dorks?

I forgot exactly what he said.

I think it's more the length of time it's been since Wormquake. They have likely forgotten that there is another dimension where they exist. That and from the sound of the clip, the shift in dimensions may have been sudden so it's possible that they couldn't mentally process which dimension they had been brought too.

[kelligrafie]

It's a shame they didn't drop April into the 80's world too.

When Raphael says he can't even see his own butt, they could've had April saying she could still see hers in a nod to the folk that kicked off about her being oversexualised by the crew. The same folk that made no remark whatsoever about the close up on Casey's crotch when he got wanged in the nuts by Hun.

:tcool:

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[Wildcat]

I think it's more the length of time it's been since Wormquake. They have likely forgotten that there is another dimension where they exist. That and from the sound of the clip, the shift in dimensions may have been sudden so it's possible that they couldn't mentally process which dimension they had been brought too.Seeing other living versions of yourself is not something you just happen to forget.

I can understand being shocked that they're suddenly in a different environment but not that they have zero recollection of the ot turtles.

Maybe the Nick turtles will mention something like...hey now I remember, I saw you in the portal. At least that would fit.

[kelligrafie]

Seeing other living versions of yourself is not something you just happen to forget.

I can understand being shocked that they're suddenly in a different environment but not that they have zero recollection of the ot turtles.

Maybe the Nick turtles will mention something like...hey now I remember, I saw you in the portal. At least that would fit.

To be fair though, how long were they actually looking in the 80's portal. Less than thirty seconds. You wouldn't have their faces in your memory forever. You'd need to see them for longer on numerous occasions to get a proper sort of mental imprint.

[Aaronardo]

Or maybe they just didn't like it.

This is what pisses me off about a lot (note: I said a lot, not all) of 2003 fans is that they can't get it through their skulls that some people just don't like the series. Irrespective of why; be it the animation style, the voices, the way the characters are portrayed etc. all that happens is you get instantly shot down.

Your loyalty to the franchise is questioned, your intelligence is questioned, your ability to recognise quality writing material is questioned.

I hate to dig up this convo, but I'm legitimately interested in what it was about the 2003 series that some people seem to not like. I've heard time and time again, "I don't like the 2003 series", and never have I heard a full-on, thought-provoking response saying exactly what they didn't like about the series. I'm not one to immediately shoot down one's opinion simply because I don't agree with it, but I will when I don't get something more than "the 2003 series is garbage". Even the reasons you've given, I can't seem to understand. What about the animation style is bad? Which characters are portrayed badly and in what way?

I mean, if we're just talking about the last three seasons, I totally get that. Plenty of improvement to be had there. But other than that, I would like to know the answers to those questions I have given. Not necessarily trying to come off as smug or rude, I'm just legitimately curious as to what exactly makes people so annoyed about the 2003 series.

(OT: I do love how much more in-character the OT Turtles are here than in Turtles Forever. I mean, I loved Turtles Forever, but something was always off to me about that version of the OT Turtles, and now I understand why :P)

[Wildcat]

To be fair though, how long were they actually looking in the 80's portal. Less than thirty seconds. You wouldn't have their faces in your memory forever. You'd need to see them for longer on numerous occasions to get a proper sort of mental imprint.There would still be some familiarity. Especially something so astonishing. I mean we remember a bunch of mundane things. Even from years in the past.

I just think it's weird that the that portal scene would be totally forgotten. Not that it would ruin the episode if they don't acknowledge it...but still.

[neatoman]

I hate to dig up this convo, but I'm legitimately interested in what it was about the 2003 series that some people seem to not like. I've heard time and time again, "I don't like the 2003 series", and never have I heard a full-on, thought-provoking response saying exactly what they didn't like about the series. I'm not one to immediately shoot down one's opinion simply because I don't agree with it, but I will when I don't get something more than "the 2003 series is garbage". Even the reasons you've given, I can't seem to understand. What about the animation style is bad? Which characters are portrayed badly and in what way?

I mean, if we're just talking about the last three seasons, I totally get that. Plenty of improvement to be had there. But other than that, I would like to know the answers to those questions I have given. Not necessarily trying to come off as smug or rude, I'm just legitimately curious as to what exactly makes people so annoyed about the 2003 series.

(OT: I do love how much more in-character the OT Turtles are here than in Turtles Forever. I mean, I loved Turtles Forever, but something was always off to me about that version of the OT Turtles, and now I understand why :P)

Generally speaking, a lot of people don't like how it intentionally ignores the Fred Wolf/Archie era in favor of adapting Mirage stories and creating entirely original concepts. It makes it a bit harder for them to re-connect with their nostalgia. There's also a less common type of critic who claim the Mirage material was "ruined" by reworking it into something more childfriendly.

I would disagree with both. I have no nostalgia for the Fred Wolf cartoon and I think it's pretty boring and sloppy so I don't even remotely care how much something has to do with it, I'm not going going to go in to more detail unless someone asks because this post could get too long. I liked reading the Mirage comics but I found them to be very flawed and a lot less adult oriented or serious than I was led to believe, so I actually thought the 4Kids series fixed a lot of the problems and I didn't think the maturity level was all that different to be honest.

Then there's of course people who don't like it on it's own merits. That just means it didn't connect with them for whatever reason, be it the writing, animation or whatever else. Typically it might be that making a show about mutant turtles with downplayed humor and long story arcs could easily end up looking bizarre to a lot of people. And that's fine, I don't expect everyone to get it.

[SKX31]

Then there's of course people who don't like it on it's own merits. That just means it didn't connect with them for whatever reason, be it the writing, animation or whatever else. Typically it might be that making a show about mutant turtles with downplayed humor and long story arcs could easily end up looking bizarre to a lot of people. And that's fine, I don't expect everyone to get it.

That angle is understandable. Given that most outside the fandom associate TMNT with FW, those with this image might not react too well to the arcs and the dark tone because they're used to a lighthearted franchise. I'm mainly focusing on those who remember Turtlemania, but others with this mental image count as well.

Of course, there are exceptions. Those who watched the 90 movie / read the comics are not going to be surprised this way because they know that the franchise can be dark.

But still, its hard to process if you have that mental image of a 80s sitcom cartoon where violence was a minor factor most of the time and the plots were ridicoulous. Then come back decades later and see Leo decapitate the Shredder?

Same goes if a non-TMNT fan comes back and watches the Nick cartoon - only to see Splinter die and a black hole bomb swallow Earth.

Yea, those plot points are (likely) non-permanent, but that's besides the point.

[Metalwolf]

I hate to dig up this convo, but I'm legitimately interested in what it was about the 2003 series that some people seem to not like. I've heard time and time again, "I don't like the 2003 series", and never have I heard a full-on, thought-provoking response saying exactly what they didn't like about the series. I'm not one to immediately shoot down one's opinion simply because I don't agree with it, but I will when I don't get something more than "the 2003 series is garbage". Well, for me I could never get into it because I never liked that Shredder turned out to be an Utrom. Fred Wolf nostalgia aside, there is something more badass having a human defeat (or fight) the Turtles then an alien which you could always ascribe some sort of woo powers (like Nick April) and have it be an easy copout whenever stuff got tough. It's why I don't like April's powers either, it's like saying you have to be something extraordinary or you can't be awesome and win in a fight.

[srmff]

I hate to dig up this convo, but I'm legitimately interested in what it was about the 2003 series that some people seem to not like. I've heard time and time again, "I don't like the 2003 series", and never have I heard a full-on, thought-provoking response saying exactly what they didn't like about the series. I'm not one to immediately shoot down one's opinion simply because I don't agree with it, but I will when I don't get something more than "the 2003 series is garbage". Even the reasons you've given, I can't seem to understand. What about the animation style is bad? Which characters are portrayed badly and in what way?

I mean, if we're just talking about the last three seasons, I totally get that. Plenty of improvement to be had there. But other than that, I would like to know the answers to those questions I have given. Not necessarily trying to come off as smug or rude, I'm just legitimately curious as to what exactly makes people so annoyed about the 2003 series.

(OT: I do love how much more in-character the OT Turtles are here than in Turtles Forever. I mean, I loved Turtles Forever, but something was always off to me about that version of the OT Turtles, and now I understand why :P)

Some people didn't like the voice actors. They thought that the voice acting was bad but 4Kids was always limited. I wasn't too keen on them myself. People didn't like Raph's Brooklyn accent, Karai's 'stereotypical' accent and the fact that Splinter sounded like an young man trying to sound old.

Some people didn't like the characterisations. To some it seemed like they were trying too hard to seem gritty and extreme like Raph almost hitting Mikey with the crowbar which I think was actually from the comics. Then it being a cartoon they couldn't actually deliver and do it or it'd be too gritty. People felt that the show took itself too seriously. For some they seemed more like adults than teenagers. They also seemed to some to feel more like people living together than family. I found April and Casey bickering pretty annoying. People found Karai to be infuriating that she remained blind to how evil the Shredder was and blaming Leo.

Some didn't like the animation. It was too stiff and angular. The fight scenes didn't feel fluid enough. Also the fact that the turtles and Casey were made to be way too muscular.

Some people didn't like that the early seasons kept so close to Mirage and were altering it to make it suitable for children. They might not have liked the lack of creativity?

I personally didn't really like the first few episodes and found it hard to get into. I didn't really like the last two seasons for reasons many can guess. It was watchable but not great.

Some people didn't like the humour in the show. People didn't like the pseudo cursing like the infamous what the shell.

It was a good twist having Shredder be an utrom but I prefer him to be human. I also prefer to see Splinter acting more as a father figure than just a teacher. Some people prefer Splinter being human originally even though being a rat was true to the comics.

Unlike the Nick show, I really didn't like the filler episodes in 2003. I loathed the superhero episodes. There were a few episodes that just weren't great in the good seasons. The episodes that were supposed to be shocking ... just didn't shock me. I watched them when I was a child and I didn't actually remember those episodes like Insane in the Membrane and SAINW. I watched the series twice over with the exception of the last two seasons but I never got the hype. SAINW was in an alternate universe. It wasn't the future or anything. Maybe I was just desensitised as a child. I watched stuff that probably wasn't age appropriate. I was watching The Tudors when I was 9 (although that came out fours year after turtles started so I dunno). Tales of Leo was an episode that really stuck with me and I know Shredder's head being sliced off and then picking it up stuck with my brother.

You asked and I answered. Geez I sound really negative but I do actually like the series. I agree with some points to an extent. Look, I think that each version has its own flaws and merits and I've enjoyed watching every incarnation of the turtles. It just annoys some people that people make 2003 out to be undoubtedly the best with the best writing, characterisations, etc. and as someone else said if they don't like it, their intelligence is called into question. At the moment Nick is my favourite version unless it all goes downhill. We could have two seasons like FF and BTTS. I know that 2003 is my brother's favourite version.

[CyberCubed]

Some people didn't like the voice actors. They thought that the voice acting was bad but 4Kids was always limited. I wasn't too keen on them myself. People didn't like Raph's Brooklyn accent, Karai's 'stereotypical' accent and the fact that Splinter sounded like an young man trying to sound old.

Which I don't really get. The 4kids voices suited all the characters perfectly. Especially those incarnations of the Turtles.

Some didn't like the animation. It was too stiff and angular. The fight scenes didn't feel fluid enough. Also the fact that the turtles and Casey were made to be way too muscular.

This is bizarre. The 2k3 series had beautiful animation and fight scenes, some of the best for a 2000 era show. No idea what these people mean.

Some people didn't like that the early seasons kept so close to Mirage and were altering it to make it suitable for children. They might not have liked the lack of creativity?

Actually people loved the Mirage adaptions except for City at War.

I personally didn't really like the first few episodes and found it hard to get into. I didn't really like the last two seasons for reasons many can guess. It was watchable but not great.

The first season was probably the strongest season of cohesive episodes except for a few like the Monster Hunter or Garbageman.

Some people didn't like the humour in the show. People didn't like the pseudo cursing like the infamous what the shell.

\nlike the Nick show, I really didn't like the filler episodes in 2003. I loathed the superhero episodes. There were a few episodes that just weren't great in the good seasons. The episodes that were supposed to be shocking ... just didn't shock me. I watched them when I was a child and I didn't actually remember those episodes like Insane in the Membrane and SAINW. I watched the series twice over with the exception of the last two seasons but I never got the hype. SAINW was in an alternate universe. It wasn't the future or anything. Maybe I was just desensitised as a child. I watched stuff that probably wasn't age appropriate. I was watching The Tudors when I was 9 (although that came out fours year after turtles started so I dunno). Tales of Leo was an episode that really stuck with me and I know Shredder's head being sliced off and then picking it up stuck with my brother.

Some of the 2k3 fillers were poor, but it also had some great ones. Also almost all the important episodes were great sans a few.

[TurtleTitan97]

Which I don't really get. The 4kids voices suited all the characters perfectly. Especially those incarnations of the Turtles.



This is bizarre. The 2k3 series had beautiful animation and fight scenes, some of the best for a 2000 era show. No idea what these people mean.



Actually people loved the Mirage adaptions except for City at War.



The first season was probably the strongest season of cohesive episodes except for a few like the Monster Hunter or Garbageman.

Some people didn't like the humour in the show. People didn't like the pseudo cursing like the infamous what the shell.



Some of the 2k3 fillers were poor, but it also had some great ones. Also almost all the important episodes were great sans a few.

You really aren't getting this whole "Some people don't like what you like" concept at all, are you?

[CyberCubed]

You really aren't getting this whole "Some people don't like what you like" concept at all, are you?

Because not all of them are valid.

[TurtleTitan97]

Because not all of them are valid to me.

There, fixed it for ya.

[CyberCubed]

There, fixed it for ya.

Most of them were nitpicks, or stuff that was inaccurate like saying the animation during the fight scenes wasn't good. It has the best animated fight scenes for an action cartoon outside of JLU and Young Justice.

[TurtleTitan97]

Most of them were nitpicks, or stuff that was inaccurate like saying the animation during the fight scenes wasn't good. It has the best animated fight scenes for an action cartoon outside of JLU and Young Justice.

Bloody heck, man. Do you not know what an opinion is or how it works? :roll:

It doesn't matter how great of a show YOU think it is. If they don't like, they don't like it. No amount of you telling them that they're wrong is going to change that. Is it that hard for your mind to grasp?

[CyberCubed]

It doesn't matter how great of a show YOU think it is. If they don't like, they don't like it. Is it that hard for your mind to grasp?

It isn't about opinions, its about nitpicking and blowing things out of proportion.

[TurtleTitan97]

It isn't about opinions, its about nitpicking and blowing things out of proportion.

So basically what you tend to do?

[CyberCubed]

I don't nitpick things to dislike an entire show. I obviously don't like every single thing the Nick series has done, but they're minor complaints at best.

[BubblyShell22]

I wouldn't go that far with how you threw a b*tch fit about Hun being Asian or how you were worried Bebop wasn't going to be black. You blow things out of proportion a lot but when someone else does it, it's suddenly a bad thing. It's called an opinion and people are allowed to have them. People are allowed to dislike whatever they want. I hated Fast Forward and Back to the Sewers because those seasons just didn't sit well with me. I don't care what you think about them. I hated them and that's that.

You need to grow up and realize that not everyone is going to like what you do.

[TurtleTitan97]

I wouldn't go that far with how you threw a b*tch fit about Hun being Asian or how you were worried Bebop wasn't going to be black. You blow things out of proportion a lot but when someone else does it, it's suddenly a bad thing. It's called an opinion and people are allowed to have them. People are allowed to dislike whatever they want. I hated Fast Forward and Back to the Sewers because those seasons just didn't sit well with me. I don't care what you think about them. I hated them and that's that.


Oh Bubbly, how could you neglect the times he threw temper tantrums over the 2014 Turtle nostrils? Those were good times (And I use the term loosely).

[Aaronardo]

Oh my, Cubed. Can we please stop? Telling people their opinions aren't right isn't going to get anyone anywhere. When I digged up the convo, I was actually hunting for a response like this:

/clip/

And I'm really glad I got an in-depth response like that. It's what I was looking for outside of "Shredder's an Utrom so the show sucks". I really gotta give srmff some credit for giving me a well-thought out response, because they brought up some very good points. Telling them their opinion is wrong isn't going to make any right in the end. I literally have no clue how to end this. I guess I just want people to know I don't agree with Cubed in this situation though I may appear to.

[srmff]

Most of them were nitpicks, or stuff that was inaccurate like saying the animation during the fight scenes wasn't good. It has the best animated fight scenes for an action cartoon outside of JLU and Young Justice.

Just to clarify, I always thought the fight scenes were good and never had a problem with them. They're just some complaints, nitpicky or not, that I've come across in the past. They're not all my personal complaints. Animation style can be a big turn off for some people, as we've seen with the Nick series. Heck even I wasn't gone on the CGI at first.

[ssjup81]

For me, I never gave the show a proper chance when I came across it during its first season, so I can't say one way or the other if I would've disliked it or not. What turned me off from it, though was the fact that it seemed to take itself too seriously for my liking. It felt...too extreme, I guess. It also wasn't very interesting, the ep I came across. I also didn't care for the designs, but I overlook stuff like that. So yeah, I have no true opinion because I didn't see enough of it.

[BubblyShell22]

Oh Bubbly, how could you neglect the times he threw temper tantrums over the 2014 Turtle nostrils? Those were good times (And I use the term loosely).

To be fair, I wasn't a fan of the Turtle nostrils in the 2014 movie, but I agree that he definitely took his whining too far.

[Danetello]

Everyone's whining aside, back to the original subject matter, I am MEGA excited for this!
Pat Fraley playing OT Krang?! I am DYING to see if Playmates will make an action figure of him again (in the look he appears in, in the new 3D model we've seen). Just shut up and take my money already! LOL.

[BubblyShell22]

I agree that Fraley playing Krang is epic news, and I'm excited to hear him reprise the role.

[Jephael]

Man, I am so anxious to see this episode! I almost wish they'd shorten this space adventure story-arc to get to the cross-over sooner.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

I hate to dig up this convo, but I'm legitimately interested in what it was about the 2003 series that some people seem to not like. I've heard time and time again, "I don't like the 2003 series", and never have I heard a full-on, thought-provoking response saying exactly what they didn't like about the series. I'm not one to immediately shoot down one's opinion simply because I don't agree with it, but I will when I don't get something more than "the 2003 series is garbage". Even the reasons you've given, I can't seem to understand. What about the animation style is bad? Which characters are portrayed badly and in what way?

I mean, if we're just talking about the last three seasons, I totally get that. Plenty of improvement to be had there. But other than that, I would like to know the answers to those questions I have given. Not necessarily trying to come off as smug or rude, I'm just legitimately curious as to what exactly makes people so annoyed about the 2003 series.

(OT: I do love how much more in-character the OT Turtles are here than in Turtles Forever. I mean, I loved Turtles Forever, but something was always off to me about that version of the OT Turtles, and now I understand why :P)

I like the series as a whole, but DESPISE a great deal about it. Utrom Shredder, flip-floppy Karai, misuse of the rat king, super hero knockoff overload, Bishop not just being a good fighter but being invincible, and nearly all of Fast Forward.

[Diorm]

(in the look he appears in, in the new 3D model we've seen).

What 3D model? I only saw some storyboard animation. Did I missed something?

[Powder]

Indeed you did!

http://i64.tinypic.com/34g54jd.gif

[CyberCubed]

I like the series as a whole, but DESPISE a great deal about it. Utrom Shredder, flip-floppy Karai, misuse of the rat king, super hero knockoff overload, Bishop not just being a good fighter but being invincible, and nearly all of Fast Forward.

Why would it bother you that Bishop was near invincible? Seeing how skilled he was made all his fights fantastic to watch. His battle in, "Hun on the Run" is one of the best of the series.

As for Utrom Shredder, I'd say it was a twist that actually worked. Of course I don't want every Shredder to be an alien, but 2k3 Shredder being an Utrom and then finding out there was a real Oroku Saki was great.

Fast Forward also has many great episodes.

[victory_angel]

Fast Forward also has many great episodes.

Fast forward suffered from what i call Re-write syndrome, I don't doubt that there were lots good episode. However it had some characters that should have been one shot at best *cough*Triple Threat *cough*. And characters that really had no point in the story *Cough*Constable Biggles*Cough*

It felt more that they were doing too much and bringing people in far too quickly. Instead things should have been broken up so that we aren't overloaded.

For example: Have the first season center around the Turtles arrival in New York City, spend the season with the Turtles exploring the city, and learning about how they influenced the changes in the city. They also become suspicious of Darius Dun and his motives. Have Dun attempting to keep Cody under his control (I.E. convincing Cody the Turtles are a bad influence. Framing the turtles for crimes in the city that they didn't commit.) Season ending with Darius being ousted as CEO of O'Neil Tech.

Season 2: Arrival of Sh'okanabo. Creation of the Dark Turtles. Darius attempting to get revenge on Cody and the Turtles. Dark Turtles serve Darius, end season with DNA is thicker then water.

Season 3: Darius Dun discovers that Donatello was one of the founders of O'Neil Tech. He surmises that Donatello could be the linchpin to O'Neil tech as a firm. If Donatello and the rest of his brothers are eliminated, O'Neil Tech would never come into being and Cody would never be born. Dun eventually gets fed up with the Dark Turtles and attempts to eliminate them along with the Turtle. The Dark Turtles are reformed and become Cody's and the city's sworn protectors as the Turtles return to their own time. Before leaving all memory of the future is blanked from their minds so they don't pollute the time stream.

[kelligrafie]

I think it's such a damn shame we lost the wonderful James Avery. Somehow it doesn't feel right 80's Krang popping up without 80's Shredder, it's like having a missing limb.

But it would never be right to get someone else in to mimic the voice.

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[Jephael]

I think it's such a damn shame we lost the wonderful James Avery. Somehow it doesn't feel right 80's Krang popping up without 80's Shredder, it's like having a missing limb.

But it would never be right to get someone else in to mimic the voice.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRV5wxf2-jv7IfcOHx4QtkCG5palG-NDLsGzZPM87ojGr9uyer4

If they found the right person to do the character justice it'd be okay. Besides I kinda get the feeling this cross-over will be meant as a special dedication in Mr. Avery's memory.

[CyberCubed]

Shredder had many different voices in the original toon though, as well as in Turtles Forever, so we're kinda used to OT Shredder not always sounding like James Avery.

[Diorm]

Indeed you did!

http://i64.tinypic.com/34g54jd.gif

Dear god what is that?! The opening in the belly is huge! And thoses glasses!:teek:

[Powder]

25 years does a lot to a man! :tlol: Or, uh, robot.

[Etsyturtle2]

Uuuh... Android...

[shredder orokusaki]

Dear god what is that?! The opening in the belly is huge! And thoses glasses!:teek:

As years passed and krang got older he became biiger that what he nees more space in the belly of the robot to fit. As for the glasses again as you konw some people when get older needs to chage glasses to see better. Same goes for the robot! It is a too old robot now. That why it needed better glasses!

[Amaranthus]

As years passed and krang got older he became biiger that what he nees more space in the belly of the robot to fit. As for the glasses again as you konw some people when get older needs to chage glasses to see better. Same goes for the robot! It is a too old robot now. That why it needed better glasses!

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8v111eViw1qzn7xi.jpg

[Leofan26]

Do we have a confirmation air date? I really hope we get actual Leo's interactions this time, 2003 Leo really didn't much last crossover :roll:

Leo in training can get a few tips from Leo in this version.

[myconius]

Do we have a confirmation air date? I really hope we get actual Leo's interactions this time, 2003 Leo really didn't much last crossover :roll:

Leo in training can get a few tips from Leo in this version.

i was wondering on the air date myself???

but that's a great point you bring up!
1987 Leo could really learn a lot about welding Katanas from the 2012 Leo!!!! :tgrin:

it'll be Awesome to here the back and forth between Cam Clarke and Seth Green!!!!! :D

[CyberCubed]

I think the crossover is the 13th-14th episode of Season 4, so it'll take a while to get there especially with rerun breaks.

[Commenter 42]

If this ep is half as good as the season premiere, we're in for something very special. I'm especially looking forward to Pat Fraley's reprisal of Krang, especially in the 2012 universe.

[myconius]

so it'll be a while then?

will definitely be worth the wait! this is probably one of the episodes of the season i'm most excited for!

[SKX31]

so it'll be a while then?

will definitely be worth the wait! this is probably one of the episodes of the season i'm most excited for!

Yea, it'll be a while. Again, they showed the meetup scene in its animatic stage - at the time it wasn't fully complete animationwise (and it might still not be finished yet). It's indusry standard: compare with 2K3's "Master Fighter 2105"* and - more appropriately - when MLP:FiM teased their Season 5 finalé. The voice work comes first (as the Season 5 recordings illustrate), then the animation.

*Yes, I know that episode was never finished. But it's still an example of an episode at that stage of production.

[myconius]

Yea, it'll be a while. Again, they showed the meetup scene in its animatic stage - at the time it wasn't fully complete animationwise (and it might still not be finished yet). It's indusry standard: compare with 2K3's "Master Fighter 2105"* and - more appropriately - when MLP:FiM teased their Season 5 finalé. The voice work comes first (as the Season 5 recordings illustrate), then the animation.

*Yes, I know that episode was never finished. But it's still an example of an episode at that stage of production.

well if anything it looks like we'll have another good solid season to look forward to?

as long as they keep the quality up, they can take what ever time they need. :D

[Nasubionna]

As a kid who grew up on the OT turtles, I am super excited for this! I hope it's a great one.
My main concern is that the OT turtle's 2-D world is actually animated like the original cartoon, not the crappy flash-animation we got in "Wormquake". Such a disappointment that was! While the OT animation back in the day was far from perfect, it was a great deal better than the "Wormquake" animation. This show does great with the Saturday morning cartoons the turtles watch (Space Heroes, Crognard, etc), so I don't see any reason they can't apply that sort of care and attention to the proper style to the OT/Nick crossover.
Fingers crossed!!

[Noxonius]

So, they're going to make the 80's show's 2D characters into 3D models?

[myconius]

As a kid who grew up on the OT turtles, I am super excited for this! I hope it's a great one.
My main concern is that the OT turtle's 2-D world is actually animated like the original cartoon, not the crappy flash-animation we got in "Wormquake". Such a disappointment that was! While the OT animation back in the day was far from perfect, it was a great deal better than the "Wormquake" animation. This show does great with the Saturday morning cartoons the turtles watch (Space Heroes, Crognard, etc), so I don't see any reason they can't apply that sort of care and attention to the proper style to the OT/Nick crossover.
Fingers crossed!!

i have to say though as crappy as the 2D animation in "Wormquake" was it still was a LOT of fun! :D

[ssjup81]

i have to say though as crappy as the 2D animation in "Wormquake" was it still was a LOT of fun! :DYeah, I didn't think anything of it. The only thing that bugged me was that they were sitting on a rooftop in broad daylight eating pizza...

[The Happy One]

Yeah, I didn't think anything of it. The only thing that bugged me was that they were sitting on a rooftop in broad daylight eating pizza...

I think they were always out and about like that, though, right? I mean, I haven't watched every ep of the OT but the ones that I have, most took place outside during the day which is silly for ninjas...but ya gotta love those '87 Turtles :lol:

[ssjup81]

I think they were always out and about like that, though, right? I mean, I haven't watched every ep of the OT but the ones that I have, most took place outside during the day which is silly for ninjas...but ya gotta love those '87 Turtles :lol:Not really. They hung in the lair and went out when something brought them out, like when something attacked the city. In other words, they generally had a reason for being out and usually wore their (impractical) disguises, if for a casual reason. Hanging out on a rooftop eating pizza during the day is out of character even for them. I just couldn't picture them doing that.

[myconius]

yeah, they did wear disguises out.
even though their disguises were pretty comical! :D

gotta love those creepy rubber masks they'd sometimes wear!

[TurFlytle]

Then again, the 2012 turtles are stealthier than their 87 counterparts and they didn't even need disguises to do it. It makes a lot more sense to go at night rather than day where most of NY is awake.

[myconius]

yeah the 2012 Turtles really do have a good handle on stealth and misdirection.

i love when they go all shadowy with pure white eyes.

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[Nasubionna]

i have to say though as crappy as the 2D animation in "Wormquake" was it still was a LOT of fun! :D

No argument from me there! Loved that episode, and I was squealing out loud with delight when the OT's showed up! :D

[myconius]

No argument from me there! Loved that episode, and I was squealing out loud with delight when the OT's showed up! :D

i got a good chuckle at the end when the Giant worm got sent to the '87 turtles universe! :D