Could you see 2012 meeting 2003?

[Danetello]

So we've had 1987 meet comic book and 2003, and we've had 1987 meet 2012. Obviously at this point 2003 and 1987 will never meet on their own, but do you think it would ever be possible that within the 2012 series that 2012 and 2003, or even all three cartoon incarnations could come together?
Is there enough fandom out there for 2003 for Nick to want to do this?
What would a story involving them look like?! When 2003 met 1987 they thought them completely goofy. I think 2003 would think about the same of 2012, but perhaps not *quite* as much.

I just thought it was interesting to speculate. I know, unlikely. But fun to ponder, right?

[CyberCubed]

Ciro probably has no interest in doing it. Also all their voice actors would be different because of unions, for the same reason Turtles Forever couldn't use the original Turtle voices.

Now we'd have sound-a-likes for the 2k3 Turtles.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

This idea fails to please me.

[ABrown]

It'll never happen. The Wicked Stepmother (Nickelodeon) hates Cinderella (the 4Kids series).

[CyberCubed]

It'll never happen. The Wicked Stepmother (Nickelodeon) hates Cinderella (the 4Kids series).

Wow. :lol:

[BubblyShell22]

I do like the 2003 series, but I don't care if we ever see them again. Like Cubed said, they probably couldn't get the VAs for it due to them being non-union, so if they can't do that, I'd rather they not appear at all.

[Danetello]

I do like the 2003 series, but I don't care if we ever see them again. Like Cubed said, they probably couldn't get the VAs for it due to them being non-union, so if they can't do that, I'd rather they not appear at all.

I can see both your points, and I don't disagree. It was just a random thought I had today, and I thought I'd put it out there to see what others had to say.

[Danetello]

It'll never happen. The Wicked Stepmother (Nickelodeon) hates Cinderella (the 4Kids series).

That's actually a pretty funny metaphor, LOL.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It'll never happen. The Wicked Stepmother (Nickelodeon) hates Cinderella (the 4Kids series).

Awesome. :tlol:

[Foombamaroom]

The 2003 series was soooooo good because of how great the Turtles were. I'd rather not have the voice actors be different... It just wouldn't feel like them.

[Ursalink]

Actually, a crossover between 2003 and 2012's turtles sounds really good to me. I would like to see it happen.

[Danetello]

The 2003 series was soooooo good because of how great the Turtles were. I'd rather not have the voice actors be different... It just wouldn't feel like them.

VAs aside, I do personally think it'd be an interesting idea.

[MikeandRaph87]

How great the turtles were? *cough* Michelangelo *cough*. I personally missed Raph's sarcastic humor, but that is just me.

The only way I see it happening is if the three cartoons come together. So yes, it could happen.

[victory_angel]

I'm on the fence with this. I mean yeah it's possible to have the 2k3 voices of the Turtles on for a special appearance episode. But there would be lots contracts, paper work, legality red tape etc.


And it's possible that the 2012 TMNT and the OT TMNT meeting each other was testing the waters for the possibility of the other meet ups with other versions of the Ninja Turtles over the series.

All it would take was for the OT turtles to mention they have encountered other versions of themselves before, which would be a nod to their encounters with the 2k3 Turtles and the Mirage Turtles.

That in turn would drive the interest of possibly having the Turtles encounter other version of themselves such as the Mirage or IDW versions.

It just depends on how the show budget and how it ties into the overall plot.

[neatoman]

In case anyone is wondering, obviously the 2003 would win in a fight. After all, one of them is officially the mightiest warrior in the multiverse. :P

[MikeandRaph87]

In case anyone is wondering, obviously the 2003 would win in a fight. After all, one of them is officially the mightiest warrior in the multiverse. :P

I disagree. The '87 turtles are more creative with their environment. That factor I believe will give them thr advantage.

[SKX31]

I'm on the fence with this. I mean yeah it's possible to have the 2k3 voices of the Turtles on for a special appearance episode. But there would be lots contracts, paper work, legality red tape etc.


And it's possible that the 2012 TMNT and the OT TMNT meeting each other was testing the waters for the possibility of the other meet ups with other versions of the Ninja Turtles over the series.

All it would take was for the OT turtles to mention they have encountered other versions of themselves before, which would be a nod to their encounters with the 2k3 Turtles and the Mirage Turtles.

That in turn would drive the interest of possibly having the Turtles encounter other version of themselves such as the Mirage or IDW versions.

It just depends on how the show budget and how it ties into the overall plot.

Yea - but then again, how hard is it for Nick compared to 4kids? 4kids wasn't willing to spend money to license OT stuff into Forever because they had lost a lot of steam at that point (the company went bankrupt in 2011-ish, so 4Kids as we know it is history). If they had spent we'd seen at least the original soundtrack in Forever. The voice cast is more dubious, but possible. But eh, what's done is done - and discussing counterfactuals might be fun, but it isn't productive.

My biggest concern for a 03 / 12 crossover is the plot. If Forver's canon, then Ch'rell is out of the picture unless Mirage is involved again. Outside of him, the Kraang are possible - but aren't they already involved in the OT crossover?

Outside of those two, I'm not seeing a huge threat to both dimensions. Maybe have something small scale instead - to contrast with the OT crossover (which is going big with both Krang and Kraang probably)?

Anyhow, if (huge if, but I'm going with it) the crossover happens then it'd fun to see them do an older / younger paradigm. Like Nick Mikey looking up to his 4Kids counterpart's exploits, only to see 4Kids Mikey's more negative sides. And then, after some arguing, begin to understand each other a bit more.

Or maybe I just want to see two Raphs kick a ton of Purple Dragon butt.

[Mugic]

I'm surprised considering how much flak the 2003 series get because of the voices that people here would care if the VAs were replaced. I don't know much about how the voice acting process works, but i thought ever since 4kids Entertainment went under all those years ago that getting the 2k3 voice actors would be for a Nick crossover would be easier compared to getting the OT voice actors for Turtles Forever?

Now we'd have sound-a-likes for the 2k3 Turtles.Throw in the 2k3 Turtles behaving 100% grimdark and bingo! instant payback for how the FW Turtles were portrayed in Turtles Forever.

Jokes aside, does Ciro really hold some sort of vendetta towards the 2003 series that he would be against the idea of the Nick/2k3 crossover?

[neatoman]

I disagree. The '87 turtles are more creative with their environment. That factor I believe will give them thr advantage.

But what if manhole covers are heavier in their dimension and trashcans somehow lose their magic powers?

Jokes aside, does Ciro really hold some sort of vendetta towards the 2003 series that he would be against the idea of the Nick/2k3 crossover?

I have no idea if he holds some kind of "vendetta". Although I know he doesn't like the Fred Wolf or the 4kids cartoon.

If I remember correctly his reasoning is that he found the Fred Wolf cartoons many differences from the Mirage comics to be annoying and the 4Kids cartoon baffles him in that it can be so close but still contain major differences.

[Etsyturtle2]

I'm on the fence with this. I mean yeah it's possible to have the 2k3 voices of the Turtles on for a special appearance episode. But there would be lots contracts, paper work, legality red tape etc.


And it's possible that the 2012 TMNT and the OT TMNT meeting each other was testing the waters for the possibility of the other meet ups with other versions of the Ninja Turtles over the series.

All it would take was for the OT turtles to mention they have encountered other versions of themselves before, which would be a nod to their encounters with the 2k3 Turtles and the Mirage Turtles.

That in turn would drive the interest of possibly having the Turtles encounter other version of themselves such as the Mirage or IDW versions.

It just depends on how the show budget and how it ties into the overall plot.

Ciro Sid at nycc that they were in fact meeting mirage turtles.

[Konchadunga]

How great the turtles were? *cough* Michelangelo *cough*. I personally missed Raph's sarcastic humor, but that is just me.

The only way I see it happening is if the three cartoons come together. So yes, it could happen.

While 2003 Michelangelo could get pretty overbearing, so can 2012 Michelangelo. I think maybe fans let Cipes off a lot easier because he portrays Mikey as sounding like a kid, whereas in 2003 he had the screw-up persona in and the voice of someone who should've been more mature, but ultimately, 2012's take inherits that goof-off behavior, and Cipes' voice can still get pretty obnoxious to me, however appropriate it is. The rest of the main 2012 characters sound fine to me.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Ciro probably has no interest in doing it. Also all their voice actors would be different because of unions, for the same reason Turtles Forever couldn't use the original Turtle voices.

Now we'd have sound-a-likes for the 2k3 Turtles.

Don't forget that Leo and Don's voice actors have voiced in shows outside of 4Kids. Not to mention that 4Kids are defunct.

It'll never happen. The Wicked Stepmother (Nickelodeon) hates Cinderella (the 4Kids series).

:lol::tlol: This made my day! So true!

But what if manhole covers are heavier in their dimension and trashcans somehow lose their magic powers?



I have no idea if he holds some kind of "vendetta". Although I know he doesn't like the Fred Wolf or the 4kids cartoon.

If I remember correctly his reasoning is that he found the Fred Wolf cartoons many differences from the Mirage comics to be annoying and the 4Kids cartoon baffles him in that it can be so close but still contain major differences.

Maybe he oughta fix the problems some people have with his show.

While 2003 Michelangelo could get pretty overbearing, so can 2012 Michelangelo. I think maybe fans let Cipes off a lot easier because he portrays Mikey as sounding like a kid, whereas in 2003 he had the screw-up persona in and the voice of someone who should've been more mature, but ultimately, 2012's take inherits that goof-off behavior, and Cipes' voice can still get pretty obnoxious to me, however appropriate it is. The rest of the main 2012 characters sound fine to me.

I must admit, Cipes' portrayal of Mikey can be loud and ear-grating at times. He does a good job but it's still not my favorite voice of Mikey.

[THGhost]

Seeing how the 2012 series is CGI and the 2003 series isn't, no. I don't see it happening. Unless they could blend the animation styles together somehow in an interesting way.

[Danetello]

Seeing how the 2012 series is CGI and the 2003 series isn't, no. I don't see it happening. Unless they could blend the animation styles together somehow in an interesting way.

But that's exactly what they are doing with the next new crossover. The 2012 TMNT will be 2D and the 1987 TMNT will be 3D. That's already confirmed.

[srmff]

Seeing how the 2012 series is CGI and the 2003 series isn't, no. I don't see it happening. Unless they could blend the animation styles together somehow in an interesting way.

It's not going to stop 2012 from meeting 1987.

[THGhost]

But that's exactly what they are doing with the next new crossover. The 2012 TMNT will be 2D and the 1987 TMNT will be 3D. That's already confirmed.

Dayum, I had no idea. :lol: That sounds awesome.

[Penst0ck]

I could just see the 2k12 Turts gawking at the buffed out 2k3 Turts and being like;

"So are we adults in this universe?"

"Haha nah bra, we'er 15."

"Shut. Up."

[Powder]

But that's exactly what they are doing with the next new crossover. The 2012 TMNT will be 2D and the 1987 TMNT will be 3D. That's already confirmed.

Dayum, I had no idea. :lol: That sounds awesome.

Really it all comes down to style matching. When the Nick turtles visit the OT universe, they're animated in 2D. When the OT turtles visit the Nick universe, they'll be CGI. I don't believe there's gonna be any mix & match stuff going on.

[Danetello]

Isn't that basically what I said?

[Powder]

It's called "elaborating". :trazz:

[Mutant Ninja Anole]

As part of a vast collection of turtle universes all coming together, you could have a homage. As a straight up crossover? It'd be confusing to the casual fan.

Everyone knows about the OT, even today. Most discussion I see online about the 2012 gives me the impression a large number of people who grew up watching the Fred Wolf cartoon weren't even aware 2k3 existed.

[SKX31]

Everyone knows about the OT, even today. Most discussion I see online about the 2012 gives me the impression a large number of people who grew up watching the Fred Wolf cartoon weren't even aware 2k3 existed.

Probably because 2K3 aired in a very awkward time, on some semi-obscure channels and because a lot of the hype got killed with the Lost Season debacle. 4Kids airing it while they did those infamous dubs might have also been a huge factor in turning many potential fans off. "What, that sh*t dubbing company is doing a TMNT series? F*ck that."

Hell, Leo656 and Skeletonman939 summed things up pretty convincingly here: (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=46096)

It had a kind of sh*tty time slot and the people who would have been most interested in a new TMNT show - people aged 18-25 - had college and responsibilities and "partying" on their minds, not getting up by 10am to watch TMNT cartoons. A ton of people didn't have the show on their radar until way later on, once it was done or almost done.

I tried to turn some of my friends on to it when it was new; most of them, even the biggest TMNT fans, were more concerned with sleeping off a hangover on Saturday mornings. Doesn't surprise me at all that a ton of people missed it. Disappointed, sure, but not surprised.

As a kid I always woke up super early. Kids are wired to wake up early on the weekends. By 10 AM their minds are on other things. So yeah, 10 AM wasn't especially good for young children either.

But as relatively obscure as it is (I find it surprising that it's very slowly regaining momentum now - from being pretty much deader than disco 2-4 years ago.), it's comforting that it produced 7 seasons / 158 episodes (I'm counting Mayhem on Monster Island) + a movie. Not to mention the miscellanious stuff and its legacy on the franchise as a whole. Not many relatively obscure shows get that luck.

[neatoman]

Well according to Wikipedia the 2003 show was given three years on Cartoon Network and it was probably shared by people through torrents, so it can't really have been that obscure. Considering that there are plenty of shows people aren't aware despite having been on the air for years, it's not really that strange if there were people unaware of it.

A funny thing about all of this, when I brought up that there was a TMNT show that started in 2012 to my sister (she's 16 by the way) it turned out she wasn't even aware that there were TMNT shows before the 2003 one, let alone that there is one now.

So when Nickelodeon eventually reboot TMNT again, don't be surprised if the TMNT cartoon we have now is "forgotten" or turns out to be less known than you thought.

[CyberCubed]

Probably because 2K3 aired in a very awkward time, on some semi-obscure channels and because a lot of the hype got killed with the Lost Season debacle. 4Kids airing it while they did those infamous dubs might have also been a huge factor in turning many potential fans off. "What, that sh*t dubbing company is doing a TMNT series? F*ck that."

What? The 2k3 series aired on FOX and it aired at 10:30am Saturday Mornings for most of its run.

Reruns of Seasons 1-4 also aired on Cartoon Network weekdays at 5pm. The show sure didn't air on "obscure channels."

Fox and Cartoon Network at times kids watch cartoons isn't obscure.

[SKX31]

Well according to Wikipedia the 2003 show was given three years on Cartoon Network and it was probably shared by people through torrents, so it can't really have been that obscure. Considering that there are plenty of shows people aren't aware despite having been on the air for years, it's not really that strange if there were people unaware of it.

A funny thing about all of this, when I brought up that there was a TMNT show that started in 2012 to my sister (she's 16 by the way) it turned out she wasn't even aware that there were TMNT shows before the 2003 one, let alone that there is one now.

So when Nickelodeon eventually reboot TMNT again, don't be surprised if the TMNT cartoon we have now is "forgotten" or turns out to be less known than you thought.

What? The 2k3 series aired on FOX and it aired at 10:30am Saturday Mornings for most of its run.

Reruns of Seasons 1-4 also aired on Cartoon Network weekdays at 5pm. The show sure didn't air on "obscure channels."

Fox and Cartoon Network at times kids watch cartoons isn't obscure.

Had the impression that 2K3 got its start on FoxBox exclusively. Damn you 1 minute bios (and my tendency / habit to jump the gun when I think I'm sure on something :P ). Still, that timeslot is kinda wonky.

And yea Neato, that's an angle I haven't really thought of.

[Powder]

It did get it's start in the Foxbox entertainment block, fear not. It remained with them for quite some time. It was re-runs that were shared with other networks, & then the series ultimately settled on the CW or whatever they call it.

[CyberCubed]

The show also aired on a non-cable channel, unlike the Nick cartoon which airs on Nick which you need cable for.

[THGhost]

Really it all comes down to style matching. When the Nick turtles visit the OT universe, they're animated in 2D. When the OT turtles visit the Nick universe, they'll be CGI. I don't believe there's gonna be any mix & match stuff going on.

That does make sense I guess, thanks for elaborating. :twink:

I could just see the 2k12 Turts gawking at the buffed out 2k3 Turts and being like;

"So are we adults in this universe?"

"Haha nah bra, we'er 15."

"Shut. Up."

I can totally see this happening between Nick Mikey and one of the 2k3 turtles.

[neatoman]

So I think I've figured out a plausible scenario for the two turtle teams to meet.

The Battle Nexus tournament is once again being held and the other Turtles really wants Mikey to lose his title so they won't have listen to him bragging anymore. Remembering that he simply out of sheer idiocy and dumb luck, they request for the Daimyo to summon "The least intelligent version of Mikey in the Multiverse", which of course turns out to be Nickelodeon Mikey.

[Technogeek29]

So I think I've figured out a plausible scenario for the two turtle teams to meet.

The Battle Nexus tournament is once again being held and the other Turtles really wants Mikey to lose his title so they won't have listen to him bragging anymore. Remembering that he simply out of sheer idiocy and dumb luck, they request for the Daimyo to summon "The least intelligent version of Mikey in the Multiverse", which of course turns out to be Nickelodeon Mikey.

A Battle Nexus Tournament with the OT, 2K3 and Nick Turtles would be a fun crossover but I'm not sure who the villain of the story would be? This also gives a an excuse to have the Turtles fight without it being somewhat forced.

[SKX31]

A Battle Nexus Tournament with the OT, 2K3 and Nick Turtles would be a fun crossover but I'm not sure who the villain of the story would be? This also gives a an excuse to have the Turtles fight without it being somewhat forced.

You don't always need a villain, just an antagonist (those two terms aren't exact synonyms). Of course, this path could lead to some flanderization. But if Nick Mikey is deemed as "The least intelligent" I could see a couple of the Nick cast reacting. We're talking stuff like defending Nick Mikey, bringing up the fact that even dumber Mikeys probably exist and maybe even trying to find fault in 4Kids Mikey (besides the ego, he's an intentional prankster / troll, so that's going to be easy*). And that could snowball easily.

That's a pretty basic but still valid course to conflict.

*Never thought that those two traits possibly fed into one another.

[IndigoErth]

Could you see 2012 meeting 2003?
I would like for them to, though given the maturity difference, mentally and physically, I'd prefer that Nick make it out that 2003 are quite a bit older. Don't really need to change them, but maybe just set them at about a decade older now than 2012. So... alternate universe, but also in/from the future.

[Allio]

personally i think Mirage/2012 would have the best chemistry

[NoName999]

You know how in Turtles Forever, 2k3 Raph complained that there were 5 Mikeys?

A crossover with 2k3 would probably flanderize them so that there would be 5 Leos. Five Season 4 Leos.

And a crossover with Mirage trutles would make it 5 Raphs lol

[THGhost]

So I think I've figured out a plausible scenario for the two turtle teams to meet.

The Battle Nexus tournament is once again being held and the other Turtles really wants Mikey to lose his title so they won't have listen to him bragging anymore. Remembering that he simply out of sheer idiocy and dumb luck, they request for the Daimyo to summon "The least intelligent version of Mikey in the Multiverse", which of course turns out to be Nickelodeon Mikey.

I like it! :tcool:

You know how in Turtles Forever, 2k3 Raph complained that there were 5 Mikeys?

A crossover with 2k3 would probably flanderize them so that there would be 5 Leos. Five Season 4 Leos.

And a crossover with Mirage trutles would make it 5 Raphs lol


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[LeotheLateBloomer]

You know how in Turtles Forever, 2k3 Raph complained that there were 5 Mikeys?

A crossover with 2k3 would probably flanderize them so that there would be 5 Leos. Five Season 4 Leos.

And a crossover with Mirage trutles would make it 5 Raphs lol

Nah, it was 4Kids's mistake to write the FW turtles that way. I'm sure Ciro and them would avoid making that same mistake with how they're handling the FW turtles. There's no way anyone can compare 2k3 Leo to 2k3 Mikey.:trazz:

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

The fact that Nickelodeon occasionally airs the 2003 show and the current show uses some of it's characters / concepts (Karai as Shredder's daughter, Hun, Bishop) makes me doubt they hate it completely.

I don't know if they'll do a crossover when they're already doing one with the 80s show, though. Might seem redundant having too many "meet your alternate selves" stories.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

No, of course not. I just think they're completely paranoid about it. It'd be nice to get merchandise based on the series such as shirts. They can only sell 87 series based goods for so long.

[Pollyparrot]

Sure, why not? I think it would be a fun episode.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

From an animation standpoint? Not at all.