Ep Discussion: S4 Ep 2: "The Moons of Thalos 3"

[victory_angel]

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Didn't see an episode discussion posted, so I've taken the liberty of starting one.

In this episode the Turtle narrowly escape being blasted by the Triceraton fleet and have their first encounters Sal Commander and Mona Lisa. Will this ep be engaging as the clip suggests, would it be disappointing? And will a new love bloom for one of the Turtles? We shall see....

[Vicky82]

Apparently the episode is up on Itunes (US) now and i'm trying to avoid spoilers on Tumblr. :ohwell:

[picassotheninjaturtle]

Could you guys put the ep up early?:D

[Mew]

Can't wait!

[Etsyturtle2]

I'm gonna be talking about it at soon as it comes on that screen.

[Penst0ck]

Saw the episode and Mona is better than I expected.

What I expected: An emotionally pent-up tsundere with deadly skills

What I got: A bodacious, ruthless ball of sass that takes what she wants. With deadly skills.

https://40.media.tumblr.com/b316280b5ff6f5385683a5159516f3d2/tumblr_nx4nwbmgMe1rj6kxdo4_1280.jpg

Happy to be wrong any day.

[Etsyturtle2]

Saw the episode and Mona is better than I expected.

What I expected: An emotionally pent-up tsundere with deadly skills

What I got: A bodacious, ruthless ball of sass that takes what she wants. With deadly skills.

https://40.media.tumblr.com/b316280b5ff6f5385683a5159516f3d2/tumblr_nx4nwbmgMe1rj6kxdo4_1280.jpg

Happy to be wrong any day.ha! Whred you see it?

[TigerClaw]

Looking forward to it, but I'll be out at the stores so when I get back home, I'll watch it since my Tivo will record it.

[Penst0ck]

ha! Whred you see it?

The second I saw screen shots of it on tumblr saying it was on iTunes I bought that sucker. X<

[Etsyturtle2]

Oh.

Also everybody! Just thinking but check this out, moons-Mona. Lisa-Thalos.
Moons thalos-- moons los-Mona lisa. Potential reasons for a naming session hosted by mikey?

[GoldMutant]

Still waiting on the new episode, but after being disappointed last week and seeing the last three "relationships" of the series, please let Mona and Raph be good. :ohwell:

[Vicky82]

Have the clocks gone back in America yet, as this episode could start either 3pm or 4pm UK time for me.

[Etsyturtle2]

Have the clocks gone back in America yet, as this episode could start either 3pm or 4pm UK time for me.

Yes they have. Threw me off for a second.

[Dunedain]

Can ANYONE, who is in America, East Coast, PLEASE tell me what time ep 2 is starting, and if it is even on today?

For some reason, i can NOT find it listed on Nickelodeon at ALL today. I have gone thru the "info" for every show thats listed today, and into tonight, and it is NOT listed.
Where i live in NJ new episodes are usually on at 11 am, but not only is it not listed to be on at 11, its NOT showing ANY listing for this episode, at all.

Does anybody know whats going on with this, or have any info? What am i missing here, this is ridiculous? Thanks

[Etsyturtle2]

Can ANYONE, who is in America, East Coast, PLEASE tell me what time ep 2 is starting, and if it is even on today?

For some reason, i can NOT find it listed on Nickelodeon at ALL today. I have gone thru the "info" for every show thats listed today, and into tonight, and it is NOT listed.
Where i live in NJ new episodes are usually on at 11 am, but not only is it not listed to be on at 11, its NOT showing ANY listing for this episode, at all.

Does anybody know whats going on with this, or have any info? What am i missing here, this is ridiculous? Thanks

11:00 our time. (East coast)!

[Dunedain]

11:00 our time. (East coast)!

Yeah, the new ones are usually always on at 11 est, by me NY/NJ. I realise now, why i couldnt "see" it. I have like EVERY Nick channel, so besides Nick Jr, Teen Nick, i have 2 regular Nick channels, and i was checking the info on the wrong one, lol.

Thanks for the info, i am looking to watch it with my daughter, in less than a half hour now, thanks.

[Etsyturtle2]

Yeah, the new ones are usually always on at 11 est, by me NY/NJ. I realise now, why i couldnt "see" it. I have like EVERY Nick channel, so besides Nick Jr, Teen Nick, i have 2 regular Nick channels, and i was checking the info on the wrong one, lol.

Thanks for the info, i am looking to watch it with my daughter, in less than a half hour now, thanks.

No problem, just as excited as you are.

[GoldMutant]

Let the take off begin.

[Etsyturtle2]

Hand of combat...

[Ninjinister]

Could you guys put the ep up early?:D

Nobody here has control over an episode's debut.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Let the shipping begin......

[cookie jar]

Raph was never hit like that and he likes it. :lol:

[Penst0ck]

Raph was never hit like that and he likes it. :lol:

We always figured He'd be into a girl that could kick his ass :tlol:

[ObiWanFan4life]

Was that a Muppets reference.

[TurFlytle]

I love how Mona Lisa says ''Rokka, rokka!''

[ObiWanFan4life]

Cool, a Star Wars reference.

[TurFlytle]

Sal's rokka, rokka sounds horrifying.

[cookie jar]

Fugitoid is so awesome pacifist :D

[ObiWanFan4life]

So wait, Raph helps her fight off the ice dragons and she tries to vaporize him?

[ObiWanFan4life]

The fanfics are writing themselves at this point.

[saintsaucey]

Common, how long you been watching tv bra. It was obvi she was shooting the dragon behind him

[ObiWanFan4life]

Common, how long you been watching tv bra. It was obvi she was shooting the dragon behind him

I posted before the commercial break.

[TigerClaw]

So Raph is the one who names her Mona Lisa, and Mikey names the Sal Commander.

[saintsaucey]

Did we know Goliath was going to be voicing a character this season?

[Etsyturtle2]

So Raph is the one who names her Mona Lisa, and Mikey names the Sal Commander.

Hmm.. Not what I was expecting,

[Vicky82]

Oh my god that was an awesome episode. Mona Lisa and Sal Commander were just awesome. I didn't expect Raph to name her.

Raph and Mona Lisa at the end was adorable :D

I loved that Sal Commander covered Mikey's eyes :lol:

[TigerClaw]

I don't think we seen the last of Mona Lisa.

[The Happy One]

What a splendid episode!
I liked that Raph didn't just like Mona for her looks and that the animators decided not to make her cutesy and whatnot. He liked her for her strength and passion which I thought was very sweet, not to mention how he named her and for the reasons why.

-Leo will never succeed in making alien friends will he...:lol:

-Fugitoid is the purest thing in the universe!

-April, again, succeeded in making me proud:tgrin:

-Donnie and Casey appreciation!

-And Mikey will forever be great a naming things :D

[TigerClaw]

Anyone noticed the sexual innuendo when Mona Lisa says to Raph. "Someday our noses will meet in flesh."

[Ninturtle]

Anyone noticed the sexual innuendo when Mona Lisa says to Raph. "Someday our noses will meet in flesh."

I don't think an implied kiss is a sexual innuendo.

[yellowmario27]

was it a cheek kiss or on the mouth? (or were they wearing helmet) :ohwell:

[TigerClaw]

IGN review of the episode, They gave it an 8.2
www.ign.com/articles/2015/11/01/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-the-moons-of-thalos-3-review

[The Happy One]

Oh my god that was an awesome episode. Mona Lisa and Sal Commander were just awesome. I didn't expect Raph to name her.

Raph and Mona Lisa at the end was adorable :D

I loved that Sal Commander covered Mikey's eyes :lol:

Haha! I didn't even notice that! Cover those innocent little eyes:lol:

[Vicky82]

Did we know Goliath was going to be voicing a character this season?

Yeah it was mentioned at New York Comic Con.

I was hoping there would be a Gargoyles Reference in the episode but there wasn't.

[cookie jar]

was it a cheek kiss or on the mouth? (or were they wearing helmet) :ohwell:

It was off screen kiss. They weren't wearing helmets. Sal Commander covered Mikey's eyes so I assume kiss was on the mouth.

[TigerClaw]

Its interesting that Raph likes Mona Lisa for not her looks, but for the fact she was the only one who could beat him up.

[aliena]

Another amazing episode, I love where they are going so far. So many things that I liked. Fugitoid is really growing on me, I'm going to miss him when he leaves them.

I loved Sal Commander, he was cool and with the voice of Goliath to boot! As for Mona, they rushed that relationship wayyyy too fast. They met, fell for each other, admitted their feelings, held hands and kissed? all in one episode?

Technically, Raph has gone farther than any of his brothers so far. Considering the kiss was the only true mutual romantic one any of the brothers have experienced yet. Even if we didn't get to see it.

But I never saw Raph falling so hard, so fast and even admitting it to his brothers. That look Mikey was giving him while Raph was fumbling over his feelings was classic.

I loved it when Sal Commander covered Mikey's eyes during the kiss and how Leo was with Raph now that he had someone to long for too. Lots of great moments, I can't wait to see it again.

I thought it was hilarious that they were calling Mona Raph's girlfriend right away. I think it was Leo who said that line.

[GoldMutant]

Well.... that was an experience. A little better than last week personally, but I didn't like it. I thought stupidity was bad last week, but now I'm dumbfounded at it here, especially for the introduction of Mona.

This just proves to me one thing: this show can't formulate love relationships at all. I could laugh at Leo, be somewhat intrigued by Don, and get irritated by Mikey, but this was a slap in the face for Raph. At least in comparison to Mikey or Donnie with love at first sight, Raph is intrigued by Mona Lisa, a plus I guess? However, that doesn't qualify the stupidity of Raph for why he wants this.... alien reptile to be his girl. Not only out of character plus the teasing (why didn't Mikey get teased with Renet?), I find it shameless. It's the only focal point to introduce everyone to the new Mona and reestablish her romance with the hothead.

Now with the plot, not as idiotic with survival of the fittest, but why is there a Triceraton weapon on Thalos? Unless they wanted to bomb the place to smithereens, it just feels out of place for these monsters. In addition to that, the ice dragons in comparison to last week's aliens were poor, no creativity or interesting designs. Why do they exist is my question, as random servants for the Triceratons or merely an obstacle at pure random?

A personal gripe too, but why no Newtrailzer? I get Danny Trejo is old in the industry, but I would have been interested because of the tribe. Add in Sal and Mona possibly not returning until later and the chance of one of the most intriguing villains begins to dwindle. It's impressing how far it has to go.

My faith has slowly vanished for the show; if you like the episode more power to you. I don't care for the episode, and the nail on Raph continues once more. :trolleye: Well, time to get sugar high from Halloween candy to ease myself.

[Vicky82]

Did anyone notice when they were all sliding down that ice hill thing, it reminded you of the 2014 movie when the turtles sliding down the snowy mountain.

[aliena]

What a splendid episode!
I liked that Raph didn't just like Mona for her looks and that the animators decided not to make her cutesy and whatnot. He liked her for her strength and passion which I thought was very sweet, not to mention how he named her and for the reasons why.

-Leo will never succeed in making alien friends will he...:lol:

-Fugitoid is the purest thing in the universe!

-April, again, succeeded in making me proud:tgrin:

-Donnie and Casey appreciation!

-And Mikey will forever be great a naming things :D

Leo felt way out of character nearly the whole episode, I think it is because he has trouble connecting to aliens for some reason. I wonder if it will be like that the whole time he's in space. He was cute with Sal Commander in the end though.

[cryan]

Yeah it was mentioned at New York Comic Con.

I was hoping there would be a Gargoyles Reference in the episode but there wasn't.

Yep, that was old Keith David. Great episode. Love the fact that Raph fell for Mona Lisa and rather then vise versa. I was skeptical when I first say her design. Would I have like her as a Human turned mutant character from earth yes but I was surprised with the way the new version was handled. I Would definitely expect to see a figure of her and the Commander.

[Dunedain]

I thought this was a pretty good episode. I think i might be "on board" with how they are going with this season. In other words, i so far, am enjoying a "new" adventure in space each week, and meeting new characters/aliens. If it is done right, it will work.

Mona lisa was a cool character. I like that she looked like a female Salamandian, or Salamandarian, whatever they are, lol. Instead of a "cutesy" "girly" version. Her personality, and toughness was cool, and i like that Raph was attracted to her ass kicking abilities, first.

It was a "basic" story, nothing deep or special, but it worked. If you want a 7 year old girls opinion, my daughter thought it was "good". She enjoyed the Mona Lisa character, and laughed a lot everytime they would call her Raphs "girlfriend". She thought that was great, and thought it was "weird" that they kissed so soon after meeting, lol. I told my daughter, that she was ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, they DID kiss way too soon after meeting, lol, you should wait YEARS, maybe even DECADES, lol.

[TigerClaw]

For anyone wondering, Mona Lisa's real name is 'Y'Gythgba' which is hard to pronounce.

[kelligrafie]

I am not a shipper. I am not a shipper. I am not a shipper.

My cold dark heart might've cracked this time though.

It was garhrrh. :tgrin:

Rokkarokka Raphale. Rokka. ROKKA.

[NinjaPug]

That episode was a shipper's wet dream. Everything with Raph and Mona felt like fan fiction to me.

[cookie jar]

This thread should have a poll. :)

[Meliwen]

"That's not good teamwooooooooork!" :lol:

Mona was great. Sal was great. Fugitoid continues to be great. Loved Donnie and Casey's fist bump. All the characters were on point, save for a few moments from Leo that felt a bit odd.

My only gripe with the episode was, like others have said, how quickly Raph and Mona's relationship was. It was way too quick for them to be professing their love to each other when they barely knew each other, for what, a couple hours? But with how this show handles love I don't know why I expected anything different. That being said, out of all the pairings in the show I think I like this one best, simply because it's reciprocated on both sides and feels more sincere than the others, so while it happened too fast, for those other reasons it was a nice change of pace.

And yes, I too hope Newtralizer comes into play sometime, whether we meet him here in space, or Sal and Mona come to Earth sometime to meet her future father-in-law and meet Newtralizer here.

I'm glad the episode didn't go the cliched way of having Mona as a damsel in distress who gets saved by Raph and falls for him that way. I was a bit worried that's how it could have gone, but I'm happy with how Mona turned out.

Did anyone notice when they were all sliding down that ice hill thing, it reminded you of the 2014 movie when the turtles sliding down the snowy mountain.
Yep, one of my first thoughts about that scene.

[IronBoomer]

Shipping was a little forced, I would have prefered a season long arc, but I like the new Mona Lias. Zelda Williams is awesome in the role.

[OrangeNinja1987]

Awesome episode. It had some genuinely funny parts and Fugitoid is even better this time around. Raph and Mona felt a bit awkward and fast-paced at times, but also cute and believable other times.
Also, the Mona Lisa painting isn't off the most beautiful woman like Raph said. It was just some lady da Vinci painted.

[Etsyturtle2]

"That's not good teamwooooooooork!" :lol:

Mona was great. Sal was great. Fugitoid continues to be great. Loved Donnie and Casey's fist bump. All the characters were on point, save for a few moments from Leo that felt a bit odd.

My only gripe with the episode was, like others have said, how quickly Raph and Mona's relationship was. It was way too quick for them to be professing their love to each other when they barely knew each other, for what, a couple hours? But with how this show handles love I don't know why I expected anything different. That being said, out of all the pairings in the show I think I like this one best, simply because it's reciprocated on both sides and feels more sincere than the others, so while it happened too fast, for those other reasons it was a nice change of pace.

And yes, I too hope Newtralizer comes into play sometime, whether we meet him here in space, or Sal and Mona come to Earth sometime to meet her future father-in-law and meet Newtralizer here.

I'm glad the episode didn't go the cliched way of having Mona as a damsel in distress who gets saved by Raph and falls for him that way. I was a bit worried that's how it could have gone, but I'm happy with how Mona turned out.


Yep, one of my first thoughts about that scene.i thought I was the only one about the jce hill scene.

[saintsaucey]

Awesome episode. It had some genuinely funny parts and Fugitoid is even better this time around. Raph and Mona felt a bit awkward and fast-paced at times, but also cute and believable other times.
Also, the Mona Lisa painting isn't off the most beautiful woman like Raph said. It was just some lady da Vinci painted.

He didnt say she was the most beautiful woman he said she was the most beautiful woman in art.

[ranger_scout]

I thought today's episode was an improvement over last week's. I really enjoyed the interactions between Raph and Mona Lisa. It has also been a long time since the turtles were addressed by their full names from someone other than Splinter.

[cookie jar]

I don't think we seen the last of Mona Lisa.
Yep Mona Lisa and Sal Commander will be back.

Brandon Auman confirmed it. https://instagram.com/p/9jTrvZIB_-/

[Vicky82]

Whats sad about Raphs and Mona Lisa's relationship is that when the Turtles stop the Triceratons they will cease to exist and time will continue on with the past turtles and obviously Raph wouldn't know Mona Lisa but Mona Lisa will know.

[drgon78]

Good episode though I do feel the shipping was rushed. But I happy that Raph was the one that named Mona Lisa and not Mikey.

[TigerClaw]

We have Apritello, Its time for Ramona or Raphona to trend. hahah

[victory_angel]

We have Apritello, Its time for Ramona or Raphona to trend. hahah

Well Mona Lisa is the first love interest to reciprocate feelings.

Renet has implied that she likes Mikey, but she hasn't actually said that she loves him.

Karai it's hard to tell with some of her initial comments that she's actually does like Leo, or wants him to think she does. Where as after she learns the Truth, it's more she doesn't know if she deserves their love and respect and wants to stay away from them because she's too dangerous. Then it was full on hate mode after the brainwashing.

April is still undecided between her suitors and that is going to be the statuesque until the story says it's time for her to come to a decision.

[TigerClaw]

Well Mona Lisa is the first love interest to reciprocate feelings.

Renet has implied that she likes Mikey, but she hasn't actually said that she loves him.

Karai it's hard to tell with some of her initial comments that she's actually does like Leo, or wants him to think she does. Where as after she learns the Truth, it's more she doesn't know if she deserves their love and respect and wants to stay away from them because she's too dangerous. Then it was full on hate mode after the brainwashing.

April is still undecided between her suitors and that is going to be the statuesque until the story says it's time for her to come to a decision.
I think the whole relationship with Raph and Mona Lisa works, cause both are not human after all.

[TigerClaw]

Found this on Instagram, The moment Raph and Mona Lisa kissed.

https://scontent-dfw1-1.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/s750x750/sh0.08/e35/1530660_550480748436760_936445250_n.jpg

[RedOnYellow]

Yeah them hooking up was rushed, but considering all the teasing we've had to endure with Leo and Karai and Donnie and April, it's dang refreshing to have them just go 'hey this works, let's go for it.'

Also helps that it's two of the most straightforward characters in the show. There's no beating around the bush when it comes to either of them.

[kelligrafie]

Yeah them hooking up was rushed, but considering all the teasing we've had to endure with Leo and Karai and Donnie and April, it's dang refreshing to have them just go 'hey this works, let's go for it.'

Also helps that it's two of the most straightforward characters in the show. There's no beating around the bush when it comes to either of them.

And people/aliens/mutants fall in love in different ways and at different speeds. I don't feel it would be true to their characters to have them dithering about for three seasons before taking the plunge.

I have to say that look he gave her right before the big smooch was the most adorkable thing I have seen on this show in a long time.

I'm off to watch it for the third time.

[Powder]

Not my favorite episode (shipping isn't quite my cup of tea), but it was entertaining. I liked the "ice dragon" designs a lot, & it's nice to see Raph's soft side regardless.

[aliena]

Found this on Instagram, The moment Raph and Mona Lisa kissed.

https://scontent-dfw1-1.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/s750x750/sh0.08/e35/1530660_550480748436760_936445250_n.jpg

That look on his face is so sweet. I'm not sure he's ever looked at anyone like that before. Now that this has started to sink in, I can't believe how fanficish it is.

[neatoman]

First episode in a long time I don't really have any major problems with. :)

I guess I could say that the new Mona Lisa has next to nothing to do with the old Mona Lisa but then again, the same could be said about Bebop, Rocksteady, Slash, Pete, Napoleon, Rasputin, Atilla, Genghis, Rahzar, Irma, Bishop, Rat King, Pizza Face and Wyrm. So I guess it's fine.

Most of them weren't even important or memorable characters to begin with, the old Mona Lisa showed up for one episode and was discarded right away.

[Ursalink]

Whats sad about Raphs and Mona Lisa's relationship is that when the Turtles stop the Triceratons they will cease to exist and time will continue on with the past turtles and obviously Raph wouldn't know Mona Lisa but Mona Lisa will know.

Who says that? It is also possible that the Past Turtles and the Space Turtles will merge with themselves somehow, causing to have a single group of turtles that keeps the memories from both perspectives. I saw that happen in some stories. (Haven't you see the movie "Zathura"?).

[Vicky82]

Who says that? It is also possible that the Past Turtles and the Space Turtles will merge with themselves somehow, causing to have a single group of turtles that keeps the memories from both perspectives. I saw that happen in some stories. (Haven't you see the movie "Zathura"?).

No one said it, it's my speculation.

I never heard of the movie Zathura. I'm going by ideas of Time Travel from Family Guy.

[Bauer536]

Saw it. Definitely better than the last one. I did enjoy the last one, but this felt tight in terms of story. Raph was definitely cool (and adorable) in this episode.:tsmile: I agree, the Raph/Mona pairing was rushed, but the way it happened worked. And, let's not forget that Fugitoid was awesome with those laser guns built into his arms.

Just a few questions:
How will they bring Mona back when the "past" turtles do save Earth? Maybe those memories in space will merge into them when everything is back to normal.

How was Leo out-of-character certain moments? Was it how he communicated with the alien salamanders or how he was blowing off Raph's plan? I admit, with all those years of wanting to help Karai, you'd expect him to understand his brother. Otherwise, he was pretty cool using that laser gun.

Lastly, did that ice planet sometimes remind you of the one from Interstellar?

[TigerClaw]

Saw it. Definitely better than the last one. I did enjoy the last one, but this felt tight in terms of story. Raph was definitely cool (and adorable) in this episode.:tsmile: I agree, the Raph/Mona pairing was rushed, but the way it happened worked. And, let's not forget that Fugitoid was awesome with those laser guns built into his arms.

Just a few questions:
How will they bring Mona back when the "past" turtles do save Earth? Maybe those memories in space will merge into them when everything is back to normal.

How was Leo out-of-character certain moments? Was it how he communicated with the alien salamanders or how he was blowing off Raph's plan? I admit, with all those years of wanting to help Karai, you'd expect him to understand his brother. Otherwise, he was pretty cool using that laser gun.

Lastly, did that ice planet sometimes remind you of the one from Interstellar?
It reminded me more of Hoth then Interstellar, There was also an Ice planet in the 2009 Star Trek movie.

[shredder orokusaki]

It was better than the last one. The Mona Lisa and Ralph pairing dosent make any sense. Why would a alien love a mutant? Also who were these ice monters? Were they some aliens animals?

[Meliwen]

How was Leo out-of-character certain moments? Was it how he communicated with the alien salamanders or how he was blowing off Raph's plan? I admit, with all those years of wanting to help Karai, you'd expect him to understand his brother. Otherwise, he was pretty cool using that laser gun.
I didn't think there were necessarily any big out of character moments for Leo, just a couple times where I thought that the handling was a bit off. Blowing off Raph's plan was one of them. It really felt like the exact opposite of when Leo wanted to team up with Karai and Raph was "no way," except this time Mona was far less of an enemy than Karai. With that in mind, and the fact that Leo knows they shouldn't waste more oxygen than they needed to, having Leo blow off a potential plan that resolved the feud without conflict felt like the opposite of what he'd normally do.

Another time was at the end. It's not a big thing and I feel like I'm being overly nitpicky here, but Leo says, "you'll see her again one day, Raphael." Does Leo usually use his brother's full names now? It just sounded weird to me.

[BubblyShell22]

I loved this episode! Sal and Mona were great, and I do hope we see more of them in the future. I do agree the relationship was rushed, but I did like how it was executed and how Raph admired her for how she beat him rather than just how she looked. I didn't think Leo was OOC at all. He's used Raph's full name before in "Slash and Destroy" when he said, "Sorry about Spike, Raphael." So, it's not OOC for them to use their full names if they want to. And remember, Casey called Don by his full name, too, so there you go. Loved the ice dragons and the team sliding down the hill. Also loved how the Fugitoid whipped out those laser guns. Overall, a very decent episode. Can't wait for the next one.

[Meliwen]

That's true. I don't really know why it stood out to me so much as opposed to other times when he's used their full names. I think to me, it just made him sound too stiff and formal than comforting.

[TurtleTitan97]

Definitely like this version of Mona Lisa. Raph giving her the name was a nice touch.

[IndigoErth]

Fun episode, nice to finally see Mona Lisa and cool new version of her. But dang that was kind of fast. Sure, Raph may be the last one to do "subtle" and not wait too long before running headlong into it, but geeze, that felt a bit rushed/forced. Was expecting/hoping it would be drawn out a tad more than that. I just wish Mona had been the one to like him first instead. I mean what was her motivation really of having mutual affections so fast? (Nick, you really need to get more female input at the writing level.) Also... wish they'd been more clever on the Mona name. But... it's minimal complaints that prob won't matter after this one.

What I liked... pretty much everything else. :)

How funny that Raph's the first one to actually have it mutual though. :trazz:

So I guess maybe Mona Lisa's people aren't so bad really, maybe Newtralizer was just a bit of a jackass.

Edit: So... is this Raph a bit of a masochistic or what?

[TigerClaw]

Here's their reaction to Raph and Mona Lisa kissing each other.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSw6Rx6WIAEIp3-.jpg:large

[Leaf]

While I liked the majority of this episode, I guess I was put off a little by the pace. Other people have mentioned that the whole Mona Lisa and Raph thing seemed a little fast, but I suppose that's what happens when you're trying to fit things into 20 minutes.

[cryan]

Here's their reaction to Raph and Mona Lisa kissing each other.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSw6Rx6WIAEIp3-.jpg:large

Looks like the Commander is shielding Mikey's eye.

[Jephael]

Awesome episode! I gotta admit, I wasn't sure what to expect seeing this new incarnation of Mona Lisa, but I was pleasantly surprised. I kinda hope someday down the road we get a reference to Zelda Williams' late father.

[Powder]

Looks like the Commander is shielding Mikey's eye.

Ha! I didn't notice that when I watched it.

[Toadtrooper]

It was a better episode because it was on a much smaller scale.

Didn't care for the ice dragons, though. Too big. Too fast. At -180°C anything resembling life would be thermophobic, have a glacial metabolism, and probably rely on chemosynthesis... thus not predatory or hostile in any way. It would probably literally run away from any heat source it encountered.

And really, isn't freezing to death high enough stakes? Considering they all conveniently passed out at the same time?


She's called both Ik'thba and I'githba on the Wikia (sounds like I'githba to me), but what I can't figure out is why they didn't just give her a name closer to Mona Lisa like Mo'naliikka or M'nalssa.

Then it's more of a phonetic pronunciation than calling a girl a different name, which everyone on Earth should know is a terrible idea.

[TigerClaw]

It was a better episode because it was on a much smaller scale.

Didn't care for the ice dragons, though. Too big. Too fast. At -180°C anything resembling life would be thermophobic, have a glacial metabolism, and probably rely on chemosynthesis... thus not predatory or hostile in any way. It would probably literally run away from any heat source it encountered.

And really, isn't freezing to death high enough stakes? Considering they all conveniently passed out at the same time?


She's called both Ik'thba and I'githba on the Wikia (sounds like I'githba to me), but what I can't figure out is why they didn't just give her a name closer to Mona Lisa like Mo'naliikka or M'nalssa.

Then it's more of a phonetic pronunciation than calling a girl a different name, which everyone on Earth should know is a terrible idea.
'Y'Gythgba is what comes up when I turned on close caption.

[Powder]

It was a better episode because it was on a much smaller scale.

Didn't care for the ice dragons, though. Too big. Too fast. At -180°C anything resembling life would be thermophobic, have a glacial metabolism, and probably rely on chemosynthesis... thus not predatory or hostile in any way. It would probably literally run away from any heat source it encountered.

And really, isn't freezing to death high enough stakes? Considering they all conveniently passed out at the same time?


Why the shell do you keep trying to apply real life logic/science to a wacky kids show?

[victory_angel]

I think using the full names adds more weight to their words when they are comforting or saying something the person needs to hear.

[NoName999]

Now that every Turtle is effectively paired off, we finally stop with the romance. Though Raph and Mona is arguably the best pairing.

Raph/Mona > Mikey/Renet >>>>>>>> Le/Karai >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dog poop >>>>>>>>>> omnicide >>>>>>> Don/April

Why the shell do you keep trying to apply real life logic/science to a wacky kids show?

Because it's fun!

For starters, they wouldn't have passed out, they would have literally frozen to death instantly at -180 C.

Not to mention, they would have instantly shattered to pieces when they fell over.

[Powder]

It can be fun for like, the sake of trivia, or humorous comments, but I can't see letting it hinder your enjoyment. Imaginary universes shouldn't be held to our world's standards, laws, etc unless they're explicitly aiming to fit within it. A complaint about physics wouldn't fly in Nick's series but if you wanna gripe that way about the Bayturtles flick, it's fair.

[Penst0ck]

Yeah it was mentioned at New York Comic Con.

I was hoping there would be a Gargoyles Reference in the episode but there wasn't.

Oh there was. ALLOVER the grounds of Thalos 3. Those ice dragons seemed kinda….stony, don't you think?

[PangolinFeets]

Why the shell do you keep trying to apply real life logic/science to a wacky kids show?


Is there a term to describe anthropomorphism of earth experiences with behavior/biology to alien life?

Carbon Chauvinism, to a degree...

[TigerClaw]

I think the Raph and Mona Lisa relationship works because, its a relationship involving two non human characters.

Most here are icky about a human/turtle relationship, which is why the whole Raph/Mona Lisa thing is tolerable.

[Toadtrooper]

Why the shell do you keep trying to apply real life logic/science to a wacky kids show?

Yep. Really wacky when Shredder straight-up murdered Splinter.
Each writer seems to have a completely different idea of who they're writing for, so seasons feel uncomfortably uneven, not a lot of episodes are worth re-watching, and the show isn't aging well.

I would have been all right if it were just a cold, slightly-below-freezing planet. Going to extremes means I'm going to be more critical. They're 65.8% of the way to absolute zero so the world design has to reflect that.

Otherwise the numbers are meaningless and you may as well just use "normal" conditions.

[Technogeek29]

Does Leo usually use his brother's full names now? It just sounded weird to me.

Universal constant seems to be only Leo uses the other's full name (save OT) he does several times in the original movie line and 2k3.

[Dunedain]

What does everyone mean, when they use the expression "shipping"? Does that mean, every episode is them just go from place to place in the space"ship", hence "shipping", or am i missing something? Thanks in advance for letting me know.

[IndigoErth]

What does everyone mean, when they use the expression "shipping"? Does that mean, every episode is them just go from place to place in the space"ship", hence "shipping", or am i missing something? Thanks in advance for letting me know.
The "ship" comes from "relationship."

[Powder]

Yep. Really wacky when Shredder straight-up murdered Splinter.

Yeah, just moments after literal sentient garbage was smushed by a talking dinosaur man from space. Dark elements does not wholly make a dark show. Suspension of disbelief shouldn't really have exceptions in a series like this. But that's my 2 cents, obviously you feel differently. You'd just have a far better time if you could drop those... shall we say "fact based expectations". The tone flips around a lot, yeah, granted, but that's kind of a TMNT staple, dude. At least for Mirage, which is the staff's favorite version, allegedly.

What does everyone mean, when they use the expression "shipping"? Does that mean, every episode is them just go from place to place in the space"ship", hence "shipping", or am i missing something? Thanks in advance for letting me know.

Shipping is essentially match-making in works of fiction.

[Raph's Girl]

I rather enjoyed this ep. For Raph and Mona it was love at first fight. He didn't go all googly eyed at her. It was more of a mutual respect. I wasn't really surprised when he named her. Raph has a soft spot and his appears to be art (remember, he was the one that painted a certain female turtle on the side of the Party Wagon). I thought it was a bit odd at first that it was Raphael who was the voice of reason. But then I realized that he realized the 2 parties were just stranded warriors trying to get home.

I also loved the cultural differences. To Salamandarians an open hand means war but a closed fist means friendship. I certainly hope we see more of the Salamandarians and learn more of their culture! Perhaps see their home world?

As for no Gargoyles references. Those Ice Dragons kinda looked like Gargoyle dogs....

[TigerClaw]

I rather enjoyed this ep. For Raph and Mona it was love at first fight. He didn't go all googly eyed at her. It was more of a mutual respect. I wasn't really surprised when he named her. Raph has a soft spot and his appears to be art (remember, he was the one that painted a certain female turtle on the side of the Party Wagon). I thought it was a bit odd at first that it was Raphael who was the voice of reason. But then I realized that he realized the 2 parties were just stranded warriors trying to get home.

I also loved the cultural differences. To Salamandarians an open hand means war but a closed fist means friendship. I certainly hope we see more of the Salamandarians and learn more of their culture! Perhaps see their home world?

As for no Gargoyles references. Those Ice Dragons kinda looked like Gargoyle dogs....
What if the Sal Commander has a brother, and it turns out to be the Newtralizer?

[Dunedain]

Shipping is essentially match-making in works of fiction.[/QUOTE]


Thanks dude, lol, that went over my head a bit. Got it now, though, appreciate it Powder.

[IndigoErth]

What if the Sal Commander has a brother, and it turns out to be the Newtralizer?
Doesn't look like him, coloration-wise, though the brother thing crossed my mind, too.

Had she not been with what seems to be their military(?), I'd still wonder if she was Newtralizer's sister, that perhaps he went off looking for. Ah well. I know... make Newtralizer her jerk ex-boyfriend from years ago. lol

[Raph's Girl]

Ah well. I know... make Newtralizer her jerk ex-boyfriend from years ago. lol

Nah... Newtralizer is her daddy...Altho he's clearly a fire belly newt and she's more of an Alpine.... Raph did learn one thing. Mona doesn't have toxic skin like some Salamanders and Newts do. ;)

[TheCollector]

Y'know, as much as I loved Mona Lisa and meeting more of the Salamander aliens, that whole noise or whatever thing they do every so often bugged the hell out of me, lol.

Also, so Raph is a masochist then? lol

[Penst0ck]

Ah well. I know… make Newtralizer her jerk ex-boyfriend from years ago. lol

I support this theory solely because it would explain her line;

"Raphael, believe me I, know…"

This might not be her first rodeo in feeling for someone. Which could also explain how easy it was for her to take charge in taking things…further with Raph.

And hey, the drama it adds seems quite delicious.

[cookie jar]

I support this theory solely because it would explain her line;

"Raphael, believe me I, know…"

This might not be her first rodeo in feeling for someone. Which could also explain how easy it was for her to take charge in taking things…further with Raph.

And hey, the drama it adds seems quite delicious.

Please not another love triangle. Do we really need another love triangle besides the ongoing Casey/April/Donnie love triangle? Their lover triangle is the example of poorly, poorly written triangle.
My feeling is, if you're going to have a love triangle, it should be in there because it evolves naturally as a product of the story and characters and not because it’s a thing you feel your story ought to have because drama.

[Penst0ck]

Please not another love triangle. Do we really need another love triangle besides the ongoing Casey/April/Donnie love triangle? Their lover triangle is the example of poorly, poorly written triangle.
My feeling is, if you're going to have a love triangle, it should be in there because it evolves naturally as a product of the story and characters and not because it’s a thing you feel your story ought to have because drama.

I really see no love triangle here. I just see a bad ass fight between Mona vs Newtralizer from this. I want that. Them having a history would add some meaning and wight to their fight, (hence, drama) and help strengthen the wobbly foundation Raph/Mona is on right now. There's a possibility that Newtralizer will be in the forth season from this (http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/7/7e/SDCC2015_ZOG_Concept_Art_001.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/2000?cb=20150711001517) (Can you find the Newtralizer? *Dora voice*) Newtralizer shares the same "Kill everything to kill Kraang." philosophy so I could see him being with the Triceratons.

And Raph shouting "Kick his ass, babe!" would be the best

I don't want another love triangle as much as you do. XP

[kelligrafie]

Awesome episode! I gotta admit, I wasn't sure what to expect seeing this new incarnation of Mona Lisa, but I was pleasantly surprised. I kinda hope someday down the road we get a reference to Zelda Williams' late father.

Wonder if it might happen with space genie/gremlin Wyrm? He seems wild enough. Like Robin Williams wild. :D

[matteso586]

Sad thing is, if the gang succeeds in gathering the generator parts, Raph may not remember Mona Lisa anymore. The generator parts get gathered, so the Triceretons never used it, and the Fugitoid never went to Earth to rescue The Turtles, April, and Casey.

[Bitsy83]

(Good GRIEF, I am late on this!!!)

Ok, what can I say? Mona Lisa was SO worth the wait! I admit, I had doubts when I saw her design. Even after the Comic Con clip, I wasn't sure if her design would allow her much facial expressions. But she was not only animated better than I expected, she was really pretty! There were some angles that showed off how lovely she is. I know a lot of people think the only way to make a female character pretty is long hair, eye lashes, and....boobies, but they managed to capture her femininity without going overboard on the design. The more I watched this show, I noticed the trend of how they were trying to be a bit more realistic in the mutant designs. At first, I hated the way Splinter looked, the more I watched the more I loved his design. I actually love this Splinter the best from all incarnations.

So...about the relationship. I can TOTALLY get why people are saying it's rushed and forced and happening too quickly. I said that too at the end, but then I thought "Wait. How many seasons have we had of people complaining about the April Love Triangle dragging on? Leo and Karai getting together? People are begging for the teasing to end and give us something solid for one of the turtles." Maybe the writers felt this was "answering the prayers" of shippers and from what I've seen on Tumblr, it has. Sure, it was rushed, but how often do fans rush shipping? Whenever two characters share a minute of screen time, BOOM!!! SHIP SAILS!!! Maybe the writer's thought they were giving the fans what they wanted. Or they thought they wanted. I admit, I felt we could've had one more episode of Mona Lisa and Raph before the kiss, but at least we have some (hopefully) interesting plots for future episodes. Peter D. (forgot how to spell his name) confirmed it on Tumblr that she WILL be in more than one episode, so maybe we can have her show up again.

[Meliwen]

I think Mona and Sal could easily reappear in the final battle against the Triceratons with the turtles before they go back to Earth or whatever. I'd love to see them at least once more before that too though.

[Teddy]

Oh man, loved this so much! Raph and Mona are so freakin' cute! I've always been more of a Raph/Ninjara fan, but this version of Mona is much more like Ninjara than the original Mona, so I like her!

And love-stricken Raph is just too adorable. Bring me more!

[Raph's Girl]

"Raphael, believe me I, know…"


Nah...they were just quoting lines from Star Wars... :D

[The Happy One]

Now, lately, all over Tumblr or whatever people have been complaining about Raph giving Y'Gythgba the name of Mona Lisa and, quite frankly, I'm a little beyond done. :roll:
Now I respect these dudes and their opinions but come on people, really? :lol:

Now, I'd get it if Raph said 'Okay, can't pronounce that. How 'bout Sam'. Then it would be bad on his part. But he took her name and decided, 'This girl is beautiful, regardless of not having hair or eyelashes or your typical beautiful face.'

Raph felt she was beautiful and, no doubt in the future he'll call her by her first name, but it was sweet on his part. He meant well-more than well- and he took his love of art and transpired it to this beautiful creature he met.

I mean, 'Michelangelo' is a mouthful, right? And we call him 'Mikey', Right?
How about Hamato Yoshi, who we call Splinter? Or all those super long Tumblr names that we often shorten?
It's nothing rude. In fact, Raph meant it as an endearment.
So...it's not something to fuss over, right, fellas? Or at least that's what I thought...with all due respct to these bloggers. I just think they took it one step too far...

Am I wrong here or...:ohwell:

[Vicky82]

I don't get why people are saying that Raph and Mona Lisa's relationship was rushed. Haven't you heard the saying Love at first Sight (but in Raphs case it was love at first fight)

Quite a lot of couples fall in love at first sight and get into a relationship straight away (like my parents and they got married a few months later and 42 years later they are still going strong).

[ToTheNines]

Loved this episode! Huge improvement over last week.

The setting was super cool, the Salamandrians were badass, nice update to a really stupid classic character, Raph's crush was pretty cute and I laughed my ass off when he did the little leg lift at the end.

Also, I can't get over how much I love Tennant as Fugitoid, every line is golden.

[TigerClaw]

I managed to capture the moment Raph and Mona Lisa kissed.

http://i.imgur.com/avNiaA3.gif

[cookie jar]

I managed to capture the moment Raph and Mona Lisa kissed.

http://i.imgur.com/avNiaA3.gif

Well done! :)

[Vicky82]

I managed to capture the moment Raph and Mona Lisa kissed.

http://i.imgur.com/avNiaA3.gif

So sweet :tlove:

One thing I noticed from watching it the 2nd time, which I didn't notice from watching 1st time round yesterday (Due to watching a bad quality stream) is that you could hear them kissing off screen.

It was a shame it happened off screen but I wonder if it was due to a censor issue or the creators were just teasing us and that Raph and Mona Lisa will kiss in another episode, which will be shown.

[victory_angel]

So sweet :tlove:

One thing I noticed from watching it the 2nd time, which I didn't notice from watching 1st time round yesterday (Due to watching a bad quality stream) is that you could hear them kissing off screen.

It was a shame it happened off screen but I wonder if it was due to a censor issue or the creators were just teasing us and that Raph and Mona Lisa will kiss in another episode, which will be shown.

Maybe the kiss was a little to graphic for the kids show that's why they didn't show it. If Sal Commander blocking Mikey's vision is any indication.

[PangolinFeets]

Maybe the kiss was a little to graphic for the kids show that's why they didn't show it. If Sal Commander blocking Mikey's vision is any indication.


I'm sure it was just to make you think that...

[BubblyShell22]

Well, maybe they just blocked it because they figured we could hear them kissing and know that's what was going on. I loved how Sal covered Mikey's eyes like he was saying, "You really shouldn't see this."

[kelligrafie]

Or maybe it was just an absolute pain to animate because of the two anatomies involved? :D Too much beak.

Gonna be sat here all night watching that gif and making squeaking noises.

http://media.giphy.com/media/o8KR1NXgd3M9q/giphy-facebook_s.jpg

[Bitsy83]

Now, lately, all over Tumblr or whatever people have been complaining about Raph giving Y'Gythgba the name of Mona Lisa and, quite frankly, I'm a little beyond done. :roll:
Now I respect these dudes and their opinions but come on people, really? :lol:

Now, I'd get it if Raph said 'Okay, can't pronounce that. How 'bout Sam'. Then it would be bad on his part. But he took her name and decided, 'This girl is beautiful, regardless of not having hair or eyelashes or your typical beautiful face.'

Raph felt she was beautiful and, no doubt in the future he'll call her by her first name, but it was sweet on his part. He meant well-more than well- and he took his love of art and transpired it to this beautiful creature he met.

I mean, 'Michelangelo' is a mouthful, right? And we call him 'Mikey', Right?
How about Hamato Yoshi, who we call Splinter? Or all those super long Tumblr names that we often shorten?
It's nothing rude. In fact, Raph meant it as an endearment.
So...it's not something to fuss over, right, fellas? Or at least that's what I thought...with all due respct to these bloggers. I just think they took it one step too far...

Am I wrong here or...:ohwell:

Oh good grief, THIS!!!

I get how Tumblr is like the breeding ground for protesters and people standing/looking for causes (and some are justified), but when I saw one person comparing Raphael to the colonists naming the indians, I had to roll my eyes....

I understand why changing someone's name might be seen as offensive, but shouldn't we leave that to the person receiving the name? From the looks of it, Ik'thaba (or however you spell that) seemed rather pleased to be given a nickname, even if it was for the purpose of convenience. When Raph said it was the same name as a "painting of the most beautiful woman in art and stuff", she took it as a compliment and an honor to be compared to a piece of art. Maybe there's something in her culture that if an outsider gives you a second name, it's considered a great honor. Or maybe she just thought it was cute and didn't want Raph to constantly butcher her name.

Either way, I don't think that scene should be all that offensive to people. I swear we are living in such a politically correct society that we forgot what taking things with a grain of salt means. Heck, the only reason I joined Tumblr was to meet other TMNT fans and see random gifs.

[Mona_Lisa]

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It took forever for me to get a chance to watch this episode, But it has proved to be worth the wait!!!
It is funny how Raph falls for Mona Lisa.... saying something to the effect of "I've never been hit like that before". Lol, yes, yes... We all new he liked to play rough.

So Raph is the one who names her Mona Lisa, and Mikey names the Sal Commander.

I though that was a sweet, and very surprising moment... I always felt Raph had a hard time expressing his feelings. But maybe this is a part of his aggressive nature? He sees something he wants and acts upon it? (I don't mean that as dirty as it sounds).
Anyway, even I a devoted Mona Lisa fan thought the relationship was kind of rushed. But it didn't bother me. I mean if you wanted to be dramatic, They shared a near death experience so maybe that brought them even closer together and all that emotion lead to a big sloppy kiss that Mikey's innocent eyes could not even look upon! (I loved that part where Sal Covered Mikey's face).


Mona lisa was a cool character. I like that she looked like a female Salamandian, or Salamandarian, whatever they are, lol. Instead of a "cutesy" "girly" version. Her personality, and toughness was cool, and i like that Raph was attracted to her ass kicking abilities, first.

It was a "basic" story, nothing deep or special, but it worked. If you want a 7 year old girls opinion, my daughter thought it was "good". She enjoyed the Mona Lisa character, and laughed a lot everytime they would call her Raphs "girlfriend". She thought that was great, and thought it was "weird" that they kissed so soon after meeting, lol. I told my daughter, that she was ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, they DID kiss way too soon after meeting, lol, you should wait YEARS, maybe even DECADES, lol.
Lol, That was some good parenting there :twink:

On topic, I can't lie... I Liked the "cutesy Mona Lisa" I remember thinking as a child she made a cuter mutant than Human. But still, I like this Mona Lisa as well.



Other things in this episode I enjoyed:
1) I like it when Casey and Donnie insult each other :D Just like the 1st movie
2) Even though I'm not a big fan of the new movie The part where they were all sliding down the hill was nice.
3) Seeing another side of Raph... I thought that Nick showing Him painting "Venus" on the turtle van was just random, but it appears maybe he really does like art and painting things.


Off topic some though, why is the new episodes not on Amazon yet?

And tigerClaw Is it okay with you if I use this as my signature?

[Mew]

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It took forever for me to get a chance to watch this episode, But it has proved to be worth the wait!!!
It is funny how Raph falls for Mona Lisa.... saying something to the effect of "I've never been hit like that before". Lol, yes, yes... We all new he liked to play rough.



I though that was a sweet, and very surprising moment... I always felt Raph had a hard time expressing his feelings. But maybe this is a part of his aggressive nature? He sees something he wants and acts upon it? (I don't mean that as dirty as it sounds).
Anyway, even I a devoted Mona Lisa fan thought the relationship was kind of rushed. But it didn't bother me. I mean if you wanted to be dramatic, They shared a near death experience so maybe that brought them even closer together and all that emotion lead to a big sloppy kiss that Mikey's innocent eyes could not even look upon! (I loved that part where Sal Covered Mikey's face).

Lol, That was some good parenting there :twink:

On topic, I can't lie... I Liked the "cutesy Mona Lisa" I remember thinking as a child she made a cuter mutant than Human. But still, I like this Mona Lisa as well.



Other things in this episode I enjoyed:
1) I like it when Casey and Donnie insult each other :D Just like the 1st movie
2) Even though I'm not a big fan of the new movie The part where they were all sliding down the hill was nice.
3) Seeing another side of Raph... I thought that Nick showing Him painting "Venus" on the turtle van was just random, but it appears maybe he really does like art and painting things.


Off topic some though, why is the new episodes not on Amazon yet?

And tigerClaw Is it okay with you if I use this as my signature?
I think EtsyTurtle2 had that sig before you, but it's TC's picture.

[TigerClaw]

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It took forever for me to get a chance to watch this episode, But it has proved to be worth the wait!!!
It is funny how Raph falls for Mona Lisa.... saying something to the effect of "I've never been hit like that before". Lol, yes, yes... We all new he liked to play rough.



I though that was a sweet, and very surprising moment... I always felt Raph had a hard time expressing his feelings. But maybe this is a part of his aggressive nature? He sees something he wants and acts upon it? (I don't mean that as dirty as it sounds).
Anyway, even I a devoted Mona Lisa fan thought the relationship was kind of rushed. But it didn't bother me. I mean if you wanted to be dramatic, They shared a near death experience so maybe that brought them even closer together and all that emotion lead to a big sloppy kiss that Mikey's innocent eyes could not even look upon! (I loved that part where Sal Covered Mikey's face).

Lol, That was some good parenting there :twink:

On topic, I can't lie... I Liked the "cutesy Mona Lisa" I remember thinking as a child she made a cuter mutant than Human. But still, I like this Mona Lisa as well.



Other things in this episode I enjoyed:
1) I like it when Casey and Donnie insult each other :D Just like the 1st movie
2) Even though I'm not a big fan of the new movie The part where they were all sliding down the hill was nice.
3) Seeing another side of Raph... I thought that Nick showing Him painting "Venus" on the turtle van was just random, but it appears maybe he really does like art and painting things.


Off topic some though, why is the new episodes not on Amazon yet?

And tigerClaw Is it okay with you if I use this as my signature?
Sure, no problem. Glad that I contributed to something that is meaningful for a lot of people. :)

[Bitsy83]

Sure, no problem. Glad that I contributed to something that is meaningful for a lot of people. :)

Speaking of which, I need a new signature. My penicillin quote is kind of lame compared to the others. I don't want to be a copy cat, so does anyone know how to take a gif and make it a signature? I was thinking of using the first "almost kiss" with the sparkling background.

[TigerClaw]

Speaking of which, I need a new signature. My penicillin quote is kind of lame compared to the others. I don't want to be a copy cat, so does anyone know how to take a gif and make it a signature? I was thinking of using the first "almost kiss" with the sparkling background.
I used the singplayer and the screen capturing from Xsplit to capture that moment, unfortunately the part with the almost kiss has a very large banner underneath the scene, someone needs to capture a clean version of that particular scene without the banner, fortunately the kissing scene didn't have it.

[The Happy One]

Oh good grief, THIS!!!

I get how Tumblr is like the breeding ground for protesters and people standing/looking for causes (and some are justified), but when I saw one person comparing Raphael to the colonists naming the indians, I had to roll my eyes....

I understand why changing someone's name might be seen as offensive, but shouldn't we leave that to the person receiving the name? From the looks of it, Ik'thaba (or however you spell that) seemed rather pleased to be given a nickname, even if it was for the purpose of convenience. When Raph said it was the same name as a "painting of the most beautiful woman in art and stuff", she took it as a compliment and an honor to be compared to a piece of art. Maybe there's something in her culture that if an outsider gives you a second name, it's considered a great honor. Or maybe she just thought it was cute and didn't want Raph to constantly butcher her name.

Either way, I don't think that scene should be all that offensive to people. I swear we are living in such a politically correct society that we forgot what taking things with a grain of salt means. Heck, the only reason I joined Tumblr was to meet other TMNT fans and see random gifs.

Yes, yes, yes!
I think people get confused with politically correct and practically stupid.:lol: Yes, we get it tumblr, you are trying to right the wrongs of this world- but Turtles and 'Justice For All' are two separate things.

[The Happy One]

I don't get why people are saying that Raph and Mona Lisa's relationship was rushed. Haven't you heard the saying Love at first Sight (but in Raphs case it was love at first fight)

Quite a lot of couples fall in love at first sight and get into a relationship straight away (like my parents and they got married a few months later and 42 years later they are still going strong).

You said, it, Vicky. Sometimes I think people think they neeeed something to shout about:roll:
When in reality, it's not a biggie. :lol:

[IndigoErth]

Tell you what I can't wait for though... that great teasing that Raph is sorely due from both Donnie and Leo. *evil grin*

'Course, he'll probably rub it in that he's the only one that's actually gotten anywhere with it. lol

[TigerClaw]

I made another version of the animated GIF, this time I cropped out the black bars, So you can use this as your Sig.

http://i.imgur.com/83dVkex.gif

[PangolinFeets]

I'm looking forward to Mona's return since there's already a mutual attraction there. Now they can skip the awkwardness that's becoming a plague in his series and just have them do adorable romantic stuff.


Raph: Hey Mona, wanna go on a date?
Mona: What is a 'date'?
Raph: It's, like, when two people who like each other go do something nice together?
Mona: Ah. Yes. SPAR WITH ME!!!!

*bloody courting begins*


*le sigh*

[THGhost]

Great episode all round. Was good to see the Salamandrians again since I really miss The Newtralizer. The Ice Dragons were really cool.

Looking forward to see Mona Lisa again soon and not just having her be a one-shot character like last time. :P

The way Raphael went around naming Mona Lisa was really corny. :lol:

[Bitsy83]

I'm looking forward to Mona's return since there's already a mutual attraction there. Now they can skip the awkwardness that's becoming a plague in his series and just have them do adorable romantic stuff.



*le sigh*

OMG!!!! Having a side-plot of Raph trying to explain romance to Mona Lisa will be beyond cute! Yeah, I can see how she'd think sparring was similar to dating:

RAPH: WHAT? NO NONO! I meant we go and get some dinner.

MONA: Ah, you wish to hunt? I suppose there should be some acceptable game on this planet. Of course, it might take a few days of tracking...

RAPH: MONA! I just want to spend some quality time with you WITHOUT any type of hurting, maiming, or pain.

MONA:...."Dates" must be very boring.

I do recall one of the animator/writers (I think it was that Peter guy) mentioning that Raph and Mona would be dancing later this season? Maybe they go to some weird alien nightclub and Raph teaches Mona Lisa how to dance. "It's like sparring, only you're not trying to hurt your opponent."

[IndigoErth]

Though it's him who has spent most of his life isolated, while she's (presumably) always had the freedom of living among people like her - it could very well be her teaching him how to live it up. :tlol:

[Raph's Girl]

I do recall one of the animator/writers (I think it was that Peter guy) mentioning that Raph and Mona would be dancing later this season?

I think the reason I like Salamandarians is because they kinda remind me of Klingons. They seem to be a noble warrior race and I said I can't wait to see if we learn more of their customs.

Now the only thing I haven't seen mentioned is...the ages. The turtles are what 16/17? Mona's no doubt a bit older...course it depends on the longevity of the Salamandarians...

[IndigoErth]

Now the only thing I haven't seen mentioned is...the ages. The turtles are what 16/17? Mona's no doubt a bit older...course it depends on the longevity of the Salamandarians...
I was wondering too. They fell for each other before not really even knowing anything about the other... She does imo come across as being grown, like a young 20s (or her equivalent of it)... my, wouldn't that be a tad awkward.

Too bad the series hasn't aged the Turtles up each year and making them at least 18 by now.

Random enough that she's likewise attracted to Raph so quickly... after all, he's basically a little green alien. :tlol:

[MsMarvelDuckie]

They should be at least two years older now though. So there's that.

[Snakeweed]

Finally got to see this episode, and really like Mona. Sure, her relationship with Raph may have been a little rushed, but I like the dynamic it has.


I also liked how Leo still cant catch a break in space :tlol:

[Darth Knuckles]

Being a big Raph fan, I really enjoyed this episode! I thought the new version of Mona Lisa was great and I liked how she was a very tough cookie. As others have said, it kind of reminds me a little of Ninjara in that she's more of a fighter than '87 Mona Lisa was in the original cartoon. Doing it this way we sort of get it both ways with the character actually being Mona Lisa, yet we still get some Ninjara vibes through her fighting and laser sword wielding. And I thought their romance felt done well enough and very sweet. Zelda Williams was a great choice to voice Mona Lisa. Overall I really like Mona Lisa and really hope to see her again in the future.

I also really enjoyed Sal Commander as well! Keith David did a great job and I like him most from voicing Dr. Facilier from The Princess and the Frog. I also really enjoyed his character design and I actually really like his original name for some reason. I like how Commander G'thraka sounds for some reason. I even enjoyed the characters' funnier moments like hiding Mikey's eyes when Raph and Mona Lisa kissed. His sense of honor is cool too and I hope we see both Sal Commander and Mona Lisa soon!

[Avatar Yuffie]

It's a nice nod how Raph and Mona hit it off the first time they met. Admittedly it feels rushed, but hey I got Keith David and Zelda Williams from this, so I have no complaints.

And surprisingly, Mona's gung-ho blood knight aggression and sass reminded me of TMNT adventure's Ninjara than her 80's counterpart, so it's also nice.

[DVD]

I got around to watching this last night. I continued to be impressed by this fourth season.
The ice planet was beautifully done, and used to great effect with all the high speed action. And there was a lot of action in the episode.
There were also a few laughs in there, mostly visual involving Fugitoid.

I really liked the salamanders a lot. I guess we will see more of them.

All in, another solid episode that was presented in movie quality format. Please keep this up Nick.

[TheJ-manTurtleMan]

It was love at first lust 💚 aww!:twink:

[DVD]

Had to double post... Yup, watching it again.
Doing a back to back 4.1 and 4.2 in 1080p HD.... It's awesome !! :twink:

[LeotheLateBloomer]

This episode was okay but I didn't think it was as good as I was hoping for.

I liked that Raph fell in love with Mona Lisa not based on looks but her fighting skills. At the same time, falling in love with someone only by getting his shell handed to him felt like last minute writing. Well, at least it's a more suitable relationship than the other three's.

Like others, when Leo blew off Raph's idea of making peace with them, I felt that was totally out of character. It was like they briefly switched bodies.

And I too also noticed that the sliding down the snow scene felt like a moment in the 2014 film. I was expecting Leo to sled on his shell and use his swords as skis. :tlol:

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

The only reason I'm posting (haven't been on here in forever) is because I got a private message from someone (won't mention them here)...

and apparently Raph is still a sissy. First he was afraid of horses, now he's afraid of space. He's now reduced to a love struck teenage girl. He's beat up by Mona Lisa and immediately falls for her. He gets kissed by her at the end and raises his leg like a girl. He was made wrong again as usual with Leo calling his plan stupid. And he was also made fun.

No wonder I gave up on this show long ago, lol. Again, the only times I come on here is when I get messages from other Raphael fans telling me 'look what they did her' and 'look what they did there'...and I trust them. Reading the posts, they weren't wrong.

Just give Raph a pair of panties and a Tutu already, or be the first Transgender Ninja Turtle for crying out loud.

When the guy becomes an actual USEFUL member of the team...or becomes a tenth of the 'bad-ass' that the character SHOULD be (like in other versions)...or, you know, Saves The Day/Saves his Brother (other than an episode or such Two Seasons ago)...those Raph fans can let me know.

Otherwise, as a Raphael fan this show can Kiss My Ass.

That is all. Ciao. Don't bother hating on me for my post (since that's what most will do) since I won't bother to read it.

[TurtleTitan97]

The only reason I'm posting (haven't been on here in forever) is because I got a private message from someone (won't mention them here)...

and apparently Raph is still a sissy. First he was afraid of horses, now he's afraid of space. He's now reduced to a love struck teenage girl. He's beat up by Mona Lisa and immediately falls for her. He gets kissed by her at the end and raises his leg like a girl. He was made wrong again as usual with Leo calling his plan stupid. And he was also made fun.

No wonder I gave up on this show long ago, lol. Again, the only times I come on here is when I get messages from other Raphael fans telling me 'look what they did her' and 'look what they did there'...and I trust them. Reading the posts, they weren't wrong.

Just give Raph a pair of panties and a Tutu already, or be the first Transgender Ninja Turtle for crying out loud.

When the guy becomes an actual USEFUL member of the team...or becomes a tenth of the 'bad-ass' that the character SHOULD be (like in other versions)...or, you know, Saves The Day/Saves his Brother (other than an episode or such Two Seasons ago)...those Raph fans can let me know.

Otherwise, as a Raphael fan this show can Kiss My Ass.

That is all. Ciao. Don't bother hating on me for my post (since that's what most will do) since I won't bother to read it.

Oh brother. :roll:

[CyberCubed]

Jesus Christ.

[srmff]

The only reason I'm posting (haven't been on here in forever) is because I got a private message from someone (won't mention them here)...

and apparently Raph is still a sissy. First he was afraid of horses, now he's afraid of space. He's now reduced to a love struck teenage girl. He's beat up by Mona Lisa and immediately falls for her. He gets kissed by her at the end and raises his leg like a girl. He was made wrong again as usual with Leo calling his plan stupid. And he was also made fun.

No wonder I gave up on this show long ago, lol. Again, the only times I come on here is when I get messages from other Raphael fans telling me 'look what they did her' and 'look what they did there'...and I trust them. Reading the posts, they weren't wrong.

Just give Raph a pair of panties and a Tutu already, or be the first Transgender Ninja Turtle for crying out loud.

When the guy becomes an actual USEFUL member of the team...or becomes a tenth of the 'bad-ass' that the character SHOULD be (like in other versions)...or, you know, Saves The Day/Saves his Brother (other than an episode or such Two Seasons ago)...those Raph fans can let me know.

Otherwise, as a Raphael fan this show can Kiss My Ass.

That is all. Ciao. Don't bother hating on me for my post (since that's what most will do) since I won't bother to read it.

Why did you bother go on a rant about an episode you didn't watch. Raph's plan wasn't stupid because it worked (you'd know if you watched it). They're siblings... of course they make fun of each other and it was over a crush. Leo and Donnie have both been made fun of over that. Everyone's afraid of something. Leo still acts like a dork and messed up by flirting with a stranger. Just because he can screw up, doesn't make me dislike him.

Apparently my dad's a sissy since he fell in love with my mum. What a revelation! How is falling in love out of character? Apparently 'bad-ass' Raph can't have emotions and feel stuff.

Seriously you can't judge a show based on other people's opinions. Move on from this show. I know I'm wasting my breath but I can't stand seeing this after every couple of episodes.

[plastroncafe]

Gosh, as a Mirage Raph fan I really kind of liked this episode.
Granted, it wasn't anywhere near the strongest episodes of the series, not by a long shot, but it it was cute.

Great use of Zelda Williams.
LOVED the ice dragons.
I'm really getting a kick out of Honeycutt.

But yeah...Raph falling head over heels for someone bigger than him that can kick his butt? I fail to see that being out of character.

Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

[CyberCubed]

At least they didn't give Mona Lisa any boobs. It was hard to tell with the armor on, but I'm glad they didn't go the Venus route and stick boobs on a reptilian creature.

[Vicky82]

The only reason I'm posting (haven't been on here in forever) is because I got a private message from someone (won't mention them here)...

and apparently Raph is still a sissy. First he was afraid of horses, now he's afraid of space. He's now reduced to a love struck teenage girl. He's beat up by Mona Lisa and immediately falls for her. He gets kissed by her at the end and raises his leg like a girl. He was made wrong again as usual with Leo calling his plan stupid. And he was also made fun.

No wonder I gave up on this show long ago, lol. Again, the only times I come on here is when I get messages from other Raphael fans telling me 'look what they did her' and 'look what they did there'...and I trust them. Reading the posts, they weren't wrong.

Just give Raph a pair of panties and a Tutu already, or be the first Transgender Ninja Turtle for crying out loud.

When the guy becomes an actual USEFUL member of the team...or becomes a tenth of the 'bad-ass' that the character SHOULD be (like in other versions)...or, you know, Saves The Day/Saves his Brother (other than an episode or such Two Seasons ago)...those Raph fans can let me know.

Otherwise, as a Raphael fan this show can Kiss My Ass.

That is all. Ciao. Don't bother hating on me for my post (since that's what most will do) since I won't bother to read it.

Here we go again :roll:

A lot of Raph fans liked this episode

Raph said he hated space, not afraid of it.
Mona Lisa is a warrior, a badass fighter, they both had a good 1 on 1 fight.
Leo said his plan was stupid because they knew nothing about them due to there diffierent customs but Raph went anyway and his plan worked and he did make friends with them.

It so stupid that you rather go by other people's opinions and not your own. Do you actually make opinions for yourself (Not just on TMNT but other things) or do you just go by other people's opinions.

[TigerClaw]

Here we go again :roll:

A lot of Raph fans liked this episode

Raph said he hated space, not afraid of it.
Mona Lisa is a warrior, a badass fighter, they both had a good 1 on 1 fight.
Leo said his plan was stupid because they knew nothing about them due to there diffierent customs but Raph went anyway and his plan worked and he did make friends with them.

It so stupid that you rather go by other people's opinions and not your own. Do you actually make opinions for yourself (Not just on TMNT but other things) or do you just go by other people's opinions.
Its one of those fans who are against the pairing of Raph and Mona Lisa, don't let those get to you.

[Vicky82]

Its one of those fans who are against the pairing of Raph and Mona Lisa, don't let those get to you.

He does it almost every episode, he doesn't even watch it and he has to go by other peoples opinions (whos probably trolling him). He's a moron and he can't make a opinion for himself.

[TigerClaw]

He does it almost every episode, he doesn't even watch it and he has to go by other peoples opinions (whos probably trolling him). He's a moron and he can't make a opinion for himself.
Well, I guess he isn't much a fan, probably one of those that only likes one version.

[Ninturtle]

Well, I guess he isn't much a fan, probably one of those that only likes one version.

Just because he dislikes Nicks version doesn't mean he's not a real fan. It's not fair to make the assumption that he only likes one version, there's nothing to indicate that at all. While I greatly disagree with him I won't deny that he's a fan

[TigerClaw]

Well, the Starship Apritello was a fun ride, and it's time to get onboard the Starship Ramona. :)

[METALHEAD]

The only reason I'm posting (haven't been on here in forever) is because I got a private message from someone (won't mention them here)...

and apparently Raph is still a sissy. First he was afraid of horses, now he's afraid of space. He's now reduced to a love struck teenage girl. He's beat up by Mona Lisa and immediately falls for her. He gets kissed by her at the end and raises his leg like a girl. He was made wrong again as usual with Leo calling his plan stupid. And he was also made fun.

No wonder I gave up on this show long ago, lol. Again, the only times I come on here is when I get messages from other Raphael fans telling me 'look what they did her' and 'look what they did there'...and I trust them. Reading the posts, they weren't wrong.

Just give Raph a pair of panties and a Tutu already, or be the first Transgender Ninja Turtle for crying out loud.

When the guy becomes an actual USEFUL member of the team...or becomes a tenth of the 'bad-ass' that the character SHOULD be (like in other versions)...or, you know, Saves The Day/Saves his Brother (other than an episode or such Two Seasons ago)...those Raph fans can let me know.

Otherwise, as a Raphael fan this show can Kiss My Ass.

That is all. Ciao. Don't bother hating on me for my post (since that's what most will do) since I won't bother to read it.

wooooow. you're an idiot.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I can sort of understand Matt's frustration with how they handle his favorite turtle in this series. This shows' version has his bada** moments but Raph has been handled better in other versions.

[SophieDem]

Had to think through what I my real opinion is about this episode. :D

I liked it. :) As for a Raphael and Donatello fan it was pleasant to see the hothead's softer side and what liking somebody could make you do. I have a huge problem with the romance part, though. Yes, I don't like how every relationship is rushed in the show and the Raph/Mona thing is not exception.
I just could never imagine Raph falling for a girl so suddenly and I was dissapointed at first. Even if it was her fighting skills I only thought Raph just would have some respect towards Mona not strong liking. However, some of you guys convinced me that love at first sight relationship exists and I just don't believe in it.
Raph was a little insecure for me. All that soft and shy and stuff at the end. He seemed to be so nervous. It was just... strange to see him like that.
Leo felt a little bit out of character with not giving a chance for the Salamandrians but everyone has already pointed that out.
Loved again, how there were more interactions between the characters. I live for those moments. :D Even if they're just tiny Tims.
Loved Mona's character, truly. Instant flirting, girl? I just need more girl characters like her. Who are strong, independent, differ, trustworthy, noble. Who people can look up to!

Overall, it was a good episode. :) Not my favorite one but still good.

[TigerClaw]

Saw this on Deviantart and thought it was funny, What might have happened after Raph and Mona kissed.
http://www.deviantart.com/art/TMNT-Salamander-side-effects-S4-spoiler-570275723

http://img15.deviantart.net/e209/i/2015/308/f/a/tmnt___salamander_side_effects__s4_spoiler__by_myr ling-d9fizkb.png

[The Happy One]

The only reason I'm posting (haven't been on here in forever) is because I got a private message from someone (won't mention them here)...

and apparently Raph is still a sissy. First he was afraid of horses, now he's afraid of space. He's now reduced to a love struck teenage girl. He's beat up by Mona Lisa and immediately falls for her. He gets kissed by her at the end and raises his leg like a girl. He was made wrong again as usual with Leo calling his plan stupid. And he was also made fun.

No wonder I gave up on this show long ago, lol. Again, the only times I come on here is when I get messages from other Raphael fans telling me 'look what they did her' and 'look what they did there'...and I trust them. Reading the posts, they weren't wrong.

Just give Raph a pair of panties and a Tutu already, or be the first Transgender Ninja Turtle for crying out loud.

When the guy becomes an actual USEFUL member of the team...or becomes a tenth of the 'bad-ass' that the character SHOULD be (like in other versions)...or, you know, Saves The Day/Saves his Brother (other than an episode or such Two Seasons ago)...those Raph fans can let me know.

Otherwise, as a Raphael fan this show can Kiss My Ass.

That is all. Ciao. Don't bother hating on me for my post (since that's what most will do) since I won't bother to read it.

Boy, please.:roll:

Now, I know you're pissy because you lost your favorite Turtle to a Salamanderian Warrior girl but ya don't gotta get all flustered about it!:lol:
Now, listen. We get it. It's tough when you attach yourself so much to a character and-Poof!- they go and fall for someone else! And I'm sure Raphie 'ol Boy didn't mean to let you down that hard; you were just...too clingy.
It's best you two parted ways and ya know what's also best, pal?

That you get the heck outta this forum- out of this fandom- and never, ever come back.

And don't you worry, we- as in ev-ver-ry one- won't miss ya!:tlol:

[Meliwen]

It's best you two parted ways and ya know what's also best, pal?

That you get the heck outta this forum- out of this fandom- and never, ever come back.

And don't you worry, we- as in ev-ver-ry one- won't miss ya!:tlol:
I disagree. Let's not do that. He's allowed to have his opinion, however wrong, annoying or misplaced people think it is.

Obviously it's best if he actually watched the episode itself since Raph wasn't treated as badly as he's implying, but...

I can sort of understand Matt's frustration with how they handle his favorite turtle in this series. This shows' version has his bada** moments but Raph has been handled better in other versions.
...yeah, I can see why he feels that way. I love Raph's softer side, but I also wouldn't mind seeing more of his tough side, which feels like it hasn't been shown as much as it was in the first two seasons.

[SophieDem]

Saw this on Deviantart and thought it was funny, What might have happened after Raph and Mona kissed.
http://www.deviantart.com/art/TMNT-Salamander-side-effects-S4-spoiler-570275723

http://img15.deviantart.net/e209/i/2015/308/f/a/tmnt___salamander_side_effects__s4_spoiler__by_myr ling-d9fizkb.png

Thanks for sharing TC! This is awesome. :lol:

[srmff]

I can sort of understand Matt's frustration with how they handle his favorite turtle in this series. This shows' version has his bada** moments but Raph has been handled better in other versions.

I don't mind if this Raph isn't his favourite version or he dislikes him. The issue is that he keeps coming back to the Nick cartoon forum just to criticise the show and Raph. It's basically the same complaint every time. I don't go off to the 2014 forum just to criticise it or read every Justin Bieber article just to complain about him. I mean the effort it took to write that long rant on an episode he didn't watch and a show he doesn't watch.

[The Happy One]

I don't mind if this Raph isn't his favourite version or he dislikes him. The issue is that he keeps coming back to the Nick cartoon forum just to criticise the show and Raph. It's basically the same complaint every time. I don't go off to the 2014 forum just to criticise it or read every Justin Bieber article just to complain about him. I mean the effort it took to write that long rant on an episode he didn't watch and a show he doesn't watch.

Exactly.:nod:
I mean, there are aspects I love about 2012 Raph and others I don't. That's fine. But- my God- he went too far and he knew it too. He wanted to make people angry or upset and that’s not how this forum is supposed to work. So, yeah, that's why I said he should leave. Not because if his opinion, but because of his motives.

[kelligrafie]

Don't really understand that small group of people who keep watching the Nick show and all they ever do is complain about it and say how they're losing respect for it.

Just stop watching it. That's not rocket science.

Look I loved watching Dr Who when Matt Smith was in it. Quite liked David Tennant, but I really got into it when Matt appeared. He was, as people say, my doctor.

When Peter Capaldi came along I gave it a shot. I lasted about five episodes, genuinely tried to be open minded, but it just wasn't working for me.

So I stopped watching it. And I didn't go round forums dissing Peter or Jenna or Steven Moffat.

But that's how you handle it, not by posting moronic rants.

Raph has been handled better in other versions.
I wouldn't say 'better', I think it's just you prefer that interpretation of him.

Some fans will like sensitive Raph more than tough Raph. Doesn't mean the writers haven't understood or portrayed him wrongly because I would personally say that he's always had that sweet side to his nature, but previously it got overshadowed by his slight rough nut side.

I like both Raphs but I understand why people feel like Nickelodeon has overbalanced it towards sensitive Raphael.

[Mona_Lisa]

well, I have been known to complain when they make Raph out to be a good for nothing idiot. I was off my rocker at the beginning of season 3 (Raph the plant dog thing).

But even though there not getting it exactly the way I'd want it done now, I do think they are doing better. This episode didn't bother me at all.

I am still waiting for the story behind Raph's cracked shell though, was that a rumor????

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Don't really understand that small group of people who keep watching the Nick show and all they ever do is complain about it and say how they're losing respect for it.

I wouldn't say 'better', I think it's just you prefer that interpretation of him.

Some fans will like sensitive Raph more than tough Raph. Doesn't mean the writers haven't understood or portrayed him wrongly because I would personally say that he's always had that sweet side to his nature, but previously it got overshadowed by his slight rough nut side.

I like both Raphs but I understand why people feel like Nickelodeon has overbalanced it towards sensitive Raphael.

They complain about the show's flaws, there's nothing wrong with that. It doesn't mean that they hate the show, it means that there are elements and plot points that some of us felt could have been handled better.

Raph has always had a sensitive side to him. That's not the problem. The thing is that they don't really do much with Raphael to make him stand out in this series. Compared to Leo who has a fanboy side of him, Don who has a crush on April and an edgy side where he is not afraid to shout back at his brothers when they are getting on his case, and Mike who has an innocence to him.

well, I have been known to complain when they make Raph out to be a good for nothing idiot. I was off my rocker at the beginning of season 3 (Raph the plant dog thing).

But even though there not getting it exactly the way I'd want it done now, I do think they are doing better. This episode didn't bother me at all.

I am still waiting for the story behind Raph's cracked shell though, was that a rumor????

^This. This pretty much is all I will say about how I feel they handle Raph.

[Meliwen]

I am still waiting for the story behind Raph's cracked shell though, was that a rumor????
Ciro said 'all will be revealed' when asked about Raph's cracked shell and to 'hang in there'. I'm hoping it comes up this season sometime.

[GoldMutant]

Boy, please.:roll:

Now, I know you're pissy because you lost your favorite Turtle to a Salamanderian Warrior girl but ya don't gotta get all flustered about it!:lol:
Now, listen. We get it. It's tough when you attach yourself so much to a character and-Poof!- they go and fall for someone else! And I'm sure Raphie 'ol Boy didn't mean to let you down that hard; you were just...too clingy.
It's best you two parted ways and ya know what's also best, pal?

That you get the heck outta this forum- out of this fandom- and never, ever come back.

And don't you worry, we- as in ev-ver-ry one- won't miss ya!:tlol:

I don't want to be that guy, I really don't want to be that guy but.... doesn't this contradict your name of being content? Every opportunity someone criticizes the show, you verbally assault them? Dude seriously, this is beyond snobbish in attitude whether you think so or not. Matt I do agree with, but I'm not going to bash on him for anything I disagree with. :roll:

Now then, I don't like the episode. The designs of the dragons in comparison to last week with the aliens had no creativity; the dragons felt extremely generic as typical creatures. At times though, the animation in the episode didn't appeal to me mostly because of the snowy terrain. Not saying all snow areas are badly animated, but areas like in video games such as Kirby make me feel immersed with the style. Here though, the animation just feels way too grim; though given the circumstances it's excusable, but still these guys have proven to be talented.

As for plot, the story is a typical survival setting aboard the snowy planet. The story also reintroduces the Triceratons, albeit early and the new introductions of Mona Lisa and the Sal Commander. Though Zelda Williams and Keith David didn't fail me in voices as the show excels here, the writing is the crippling weakness once again. Some objectives are rushed or immediately out of left field from dialogue to questionable decisions, especially of Raphael and the Salamanderians.

Then there's the pairing.... :ohwell: I will admit, Mona and Raphael are probably the second best pairing of this series outside Leo and Karai because Raph upon the first interaction had a reason to like her. Way better than Donnie's horribly written relationship or the idiotic love of Michelangelo; despite my praise of one thing, the relationship is what murders the episode personally. Raph gets his butt kicked in the episode and even with liking this "cool" alien, he falls in love with her for no inexplicable reason beyond the mutual love of destruction? For that matter, jumping to conclusions this early is bothersome instead of a steady build in comparison to Leo, Donnie, and Mikey with their crushes or relationships. Can't the relationships be different for each turtle, ranging from flirting, crushes, long term, and steady build?

Do I consider this better than last week? In terms of plot, it was decent at best though could have benefited from further build up. Everything else I feel takes two steps back with uncreative style and one more relationship to nail the coffin of why I feel the show can't do relationships well. Subjective on preferences I suppose, but I can't enjoy this episode; I might have gotten a guilty smile last week, but I'm facepalming here. Hoping for Wyrm and Armaggon to be decent after my unfavorable feelings towards Dregg and now Mona until they get actual development.

[The Happy One]

I don't want to be that guy, I really don't want to be that guy but.... doesn't this contradict your name of being content? Every opportunity someone criticizes the show, you verbally assault them? Dude seriously, this is beyond snobbish in attitude whether you think so or not. Matt I do agree with, but I'm not going to bash on him for anything I disagree with. :roll:

Now then, I don't like the episode. The designs of the dragons in comparison to last week with the aliens had no creativity; the dragons felt extremely generic as typical creatures. At times though, the animation in the episode didn't appeal to me mostly because of the snowy terrain. Not saying all snow areas are badly animated, but areas like in video games such as Kirby make me feel immersed with the style. Here though, the animation just feels way too grim; though given the circumstances it's excusable, but still these guys have proven to be talented.

As for plot, the story is a typical survival setting aboard the snowy planet. The story also reintroduces the Triceratons, albeit early and the new introductions of Mona Lisa and the Sal Commander. Though Zelda Williams and Keith David didn't fail me in voices as the show excels here, the writing is the crippling weakness once again. Some objectives are rushed or immediately out of left field from dialogue to questionable decisions, especially of Raphael and the Salamanderians.

Then there's the pairing.... :ohwell: I will admit, Mona and Raphael are probably the second best pairing of this series outside Leo and Karai because Raph upon the first interaction had a reason to like her. Way better than Donnie's horribly written relationship or the idiotic love of Michelangelo; despite my praise of one thing, the relationship is what murders the episode personally. Raph gets his butt kicked in the episode and even with liking this "cool" alien, he falls in love with her for no inexplicable reason beyond the mutual love of destruction? For that matter, jumping to conclusions this early is bothersome instead of a steady build in comparison to Leo, Donnie, and Mikey with their crushes or relationships. Can't the relationships be different for each turtle, ranging from flirting, crushes, long term, and steady build?

Do I consider this better than last week? In terms of plot, it was decent at best though could have benefited from further build up. Everything else I feel takes two steps back with uncreative style and one more relationship to nail the coffin of why I feel the show can't do relationships well. Subjective on preferences I suppose, but I can't enjoy this episode; I might have gotten a guilty smile last week, but I'm facepalming here. Hoping for Wyrm and Armaggon to be decent after my unfavorable feelings towards Dregg and now Mona until they get actual development.

No, you're right. As it may seem I always have something to say, don't I? But many have criticism about the show and I've let it slide because they, while personally not enjoying the episode (s), have respectfully stated why and respected others. Like you for instance. I respect what you just pointed out because you were honest but not trolling, ya feel me?

I mean, I will definitely apologize if it came off as snobbish or contradictory to my name- I really, really do. But, man, I just can't stand people who come into the forum- the only time they come to comment- is something negative and not just negative but almost slanderous, ya know? If that doesn't get under your skin, I totally wish I could attain that quality. But it just irks me beyond words.

But, if it offended you personally, I'll sincerely apologize since that was never my intentions. Alls I was trying to do was tell this Matt charcter that it's best if he just leaves since, obviously he dislikes it so much.

I mean , 'Kiss My Ass, Nick'? What kinda statement is that?:ohwell:

But, hey, like I said, never meant to degrade or hurt anyone and I'll apologize again for being too brutally honest. Still sticking to my guns, but I agree, it could've been said better.:)

[GoldMutant]

No, you're right. As it may seem I always have something to say, don't I? But many have criticism about the show and I've let it slide because they, while personally not enjoying the episode (s), have respectfully stated why and respected others. Like you for instance. I respect what you just pointed out because you were honest but not trolling, ya feel me?

I mean, I will definitely apologize if it came off as snobbish or contradictory to my name- I really, really do. But, man, I just can't stand people who come into the forum- the only time they come to comment- is something negative and not just negative but almost slanderous, ya know? If that doesn't get under your skin, I totally wish I could attain that quality. But it just irks me beyond words.

But, if it offended you personally, I'll sincerely apologize since that was never my intentions. Alls I was trying to do was tell this Matt charcter that it's best if he just leaves since, obviously he dislikes it so much.

I mean , 'Kiss My Ass, Nick'? What kinda statement is that?:ohwell:

But, hey, like I said, never meant to degrade or hurt anyone and I'll apologize again for being too brutally honest. Still sticking to my guns, but I agree, it could've been said better.:)

I'm not judging why Matt has issues as its understandable, I get the frustrations because of Nick not doing as good of a job in comparison to say season 1 or 2, with the latter of my actual favorite episode wise. Raphael still felt out of character to me, but sometimes as the fans people are, we believe what we know is right of the characters we love. Baxter is my definitive example of me having serious issues, but either way I can use the 2003 series to help fill my quota.

Dude, just please be wary of doing this for each episode that comes out. You did it to me, you did it to Bauer, and now Matt. I get people like the show, but I get kinda peeved over blind attacks. We can argue from sunshine to moonlight, but it doesn't make a difference on what we believe and disagree on. Best to avoid emotionally colored arguments after all. :)

I'm still irritated over Raph and the tip of the iceberg came this episode beyond my second least favorite with Clash here. Just once I want to see this character shine here, something to differentiate from the other TMNT in this version. They can't do that and I honestly can't take it any longer as another potential character in Mona felt wasted; Armaggon better not suffer here as Dregg or Mona, otherwise this might be the weakest set up for any of the characters in a season for the show yet. I'll remain optimistic, but if I have issues I will bring them up, best for a fresh point of view beyond simple contentedness.

[aliena]

I can sort of understand Matt's frustration with how they handle his favorite turtle in this series. This shows' version has his bada** moments but Raph has been handled better in other versions.

I agree. It was disappointing not to get to see Raph grapple with his feelings over Mona for more than ten minutes. It's just like when he went dark for like five minutes. I want him to have longer arcs. He deserves so much more than two minute sections here and there.

[TLP]

So far my favorite character this season is the Fugitoid. The dude is freakin' hysterical.

[Penst0ck]

So far my favorite character this season is the Fugitoid. The dude is freakin' hysterical.

He's so great!

"Excuse me, would you like a cup of….Pacifism?" 8)

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^I am tempted to make this my new sig 0.0^

[senpai]

I enjoyed the episode. Raph's love for Mona was really abrupt and out of left field but we were all anticipating it so... I thought it was cute when Raph named her Mona Lisa, but he said the original Mona Lisa was supposed to be the most beautiful girl in the world or something--that's a sweet sentiment there but totally inaccurate.

[JH24]

A good episode, although a bit underwhelming for me personally in comparison with the first and third. It was an entertaining episode, and I like seeing the turtles visit new environments.

It was nice to see the interactions between Raph and Mona Lisa, and I loved that little scene between Donnie and Casey near the end.


Good episode. Nothing really stood out, but still enjoyable.

[victory_angel]

This episode is a bit of comedy of errors with the Turtles assuming the Salamandrian are the enemy, and the Salamandrian's assuming the same thing about the Turtles. But it was intriguing to see both groups working together to help each other against a common threat once it was made clear everything was just one big misunderstanding.

First and foremost I feel I need to address the elephant in the room which is the introduction of the "USS RaphMona".

Yes, folks all four Turtles have love interests now. Like a lot of people I agree that this shipping pair did happen rather quickly. It would have been better to maybe have Raph and Mona have a mutual appreciation for one another as fighters that would blossom into love in a later episode. But unlike the other pairings, this is the first pair that is reciprocated on both sides.

With April and Donnie, April clearly likes Donnie but she also likes Casey as well. And because of this she is unsure about which boy is better for her. She knows what each can offer her and what she can gain from being with each of them. But she also knows that when she comes to a decision, she will hurt one of them which is something she doesn't want to do.

Karai and Leo is a dicey subject. Leo obviously loves Karai and Karai has shown interest in him as well. But Karai is a Kunoichi, which means one of the weapons she has at her disposal is seduction. Because of this it's questionable if she really likes Leo in the same way or she just wants Leo to believe she does. Another questionable concept in this pairing is that since Karai is actually Splinter's daughter, that technically makes her and Leo brother and sister since Leo the other Turtles were adopted and raised as Splinter's sons.

Renet and Mikey...This was an interesting pairing. However Renet's behavior suggested that she liked him and she thought he was cute, but she wasn't really attracted towards him. She was flattered that he liked her...but really didn't see him beyond a friend. Possibly because the distance of time separating them.

Raph is the only one so far who has met a woman who he likes and who returns his feelings in kind. And it will be interesting to see how this relationship grows and develops with every meeting.

Moving on to the rest of the story.

This episode does make fair use of the fact the Turtles are cold blooded and would be severely effected by the temperatures of the ice planet they landed on. Particularly since it's frequently stated that they have a limited supply of air and heat to sustain them making the task to retrieve the Urilium Metal, to fix the ship all the more imperative.

However their damaged ship also damaged a Salamandrian ship, causing the two people on board to want to capture the metal for themselves so they can repair their own ship. Which becomes the major conflict between the two groups when they encounter one another.

Now to be fair on Leonardo's case, being an outworlder social gaffes are par for the course. Such as customs of offering friendship on earth could mean something else in an entirely different culture. This is not much different then hand gestures that have a positive meaning on one culture, being viewed as insulting to another.

All the same it was intriguing to see Raph and Leo switching roles, with Raph suggesting that perhaps that any issues between the two groups can be talked out. And Leo insisting that that the Salamandrian's are the ones who attacked them without probable cause. But later when it turns out Raph's course of action turned out to be the correct one, Leo is graciously able to accept the help of the Salamandrian's and earn their trust as friends.

Commander G'Throkka and Lieutenant Y’Gythgba AKA Sal Commander and Mona Lisa were interesting characters. Through out the episode, Sal Commander does comment on the honor and respect the Turtles have for one another and deems them worthy of respect. While Mona Lisa has her doubts about the honor the Turtles truly have. But after Raphael helps save her from a group of Ice Dragons and explains that they didn't intentionally damage their ship she does gain a better respect for him. And I look forward to see more of her in the future.

Another point of interest is Fugitoid stating he is a pacifist. This isn't all together new since Professor Honeycutt is typically a known pacifist in any incarnation. Despite his affiliation to the Federation or Dimention X if you follow the IDW route he really is just a peaceful man really wants his inventions to be used for the common good. However I have mentioned in earlier posts that Donnie has tendencies that are pacifistic in nature. But he isn't really comfortable or struggles with accepting that aspect of his personality, possibly out of fear that his family would think less of him as a warrior if that becomes known. Or that he would be less of a ninja if he did accept this fact about himself.

It is plausible that when associated with someone who also has a pacifistic mentality and is comfortable with it, Donnie would be able to begin accepting that side of himself more. Perhaps this aspect could come to light if there are any nods to a certain scene in Wrath of Khan later on this season.

For this episode in general, it was a fairly generic story where a group of people is in a situation where they have to struggle for survival in a dangerous situation. But after a lack luster third season, this season still holds potential to carry a strong story over all.

[Klunk1234]

Great episode! I want to see more Mona Lisa and Raph moments. They are cute.

[cryan]

It would be interesting to see how they will continue with the Raph/Mona angle.

[TheMuz]

We posted our opinions of this episode if you guys wanna watch.

Really liked seeing Mona Lisa and hopefully we'll see her more often in this series than the original! :)

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[Powder]

Will you ever post anything other than Youtube promo? I'm doubtful.