The Salamandarians lost the war

[Penst0ck]

As we know so far, it seems the Salamandarian air fleet is the only opposing force the Triceritons have to deal with directly. Well, were was that air fleet when the Triceratons invaded earth? My only guess is that within those six months the Salamandarians failed to stop them and were probably annihilated.(their planet even subject to test the black hole generator. but thats me stretching it)

So now that were back in time and our heroes are trying to fix everything, this could lead to a strong alliance with the Salamandarians to take down the Triceratons once and for all. And maybe some extra motivation on Raph's part to make sure Mona and her race survive this time.

idk. Thoughts?

[kelligrafie]

Well we don't know why the Salamandrians were fighting the Triceratons.

It could well be that they just wanted to defend their territory or home world. I think they would have enough on their plate doing just that, without worrying about additionally protecting Earth, or millions of other foreign planets.

I don't think Earth ranks too highly really. All these alien species capable of light speed travel and the only ones to settle were the Kraang. We obviously have nothing to offer. :lol:

[neatoman]

There is something that kind of bugs me about the Salamandrians, aren't they basically just discount Triceratons? Isn't that kind of pointless when we have the Triceratons?

[CyberCubed]

They're just another alien race for the Triceratons to fight. Doesn't get more complicated than that.

[Ninturtle]

There is something that kind of bugs me about the Salamandrians, aren't they basically just discount Triceratons? Isn't that kind of pointless when we have the Triceratons?

How are they discount Triceratons?

[Powder]

There is something that kind of bugs me about the Salamandrians, aren't they basically just discount Triceratons? Isn't that kind of pointless when we have the Triceratons?

Variety is the spice of life. I'm all for different alien races, similar or not.

[Penst0ck]

They're just another alien race for the Triceratons to fight. Doesn't get more complicated than that.

Yes, but story wise what The Moons of Thalos 3 established is that we are supposed to care about what happens to them. Other wise yes, they'd just be a background battle wile the turtles do their thing. It took the turtles more than a season to get a decent number of allies over their ever growing number of enemies.

[neatoman]

How are they discount Triceratons?

You know how the Triceratons are basically Klingons except they look like Triceratopses? Same thing with the Salamandrians except salamanders.

[Penst0ck]

You know how the Triceratons are basically Klingons except they look like Triceratopses? Same thing with the Salamandrians except salamanders.

I know what Klingons are to an extent but I'm not into Star Trek that much. Which traits sound more Klingon?

(A) A brute and cunning race that will stop at nothing to again their goals, even in cold blood. (Triceratons)

(B) A warrior race that values honor over reason and will stop at nothing to attain glorious battle. (Slamandarians)

[kelligrafie]

I know what Klingons are to an extent but I'm not into Star Trek that much. Which traits sound more Klingon?

(A) A brute and cunning race that will stop at nothing to again their goals, even in cold blood. (Triceratons)

(B) A warrior race that values honor over reason and will stop at nothing to attain glorious battle. (Slamandarians)

I'd say there's probably a bit of both, in both, in general.

Maybe Triceratons = Klingons, Salamandrians = Romulans (an off shoot of Vulcans) and the Kraang are the TMNT Borg.

Or from a Middle Earth POV, you could say Triceratons are dwarves and Salamandrians are elves?

But can you stereotype an entire alien race based on a few episodes?

I should point out that not all Klingons are bad, just as every human isn't good (*cough* Shredder). Look at Worf. Although I have a feeling he might be half human, he is still therefore half Klingon. He still loves battle. He still believes in honour. But he gradually learns through Next Generation that battle and honour are not the be all and end all.

Throughout Star Trek history you get to see species that are described as or stereotyped as being stupid, evil, aggressive and then the Enterprise crew will meet someone from said species that is a shy, intelligent pacifist intent on improving relations between species.

The Triceratons that we've seen so far are the same as Newtralizer and have a skewed sense of for the greater good.

They'd happily wipe out Earth to destroy the Kraang on that planet, in order to protect their own world, under the pretence of protecting the entire galaxy. Because let's be honest, if the Triceratons weren't fighting the Kraang, they'd be trying to fight someone else.

We might end up meeting a Triceraton that breaks that rule though. Sal and Mona aren't the same as Newtralizer.

[Penst0ck]

I'd say there's probably a bit of both, in both, in general.

Maybe Triceratons = Klingons, Salamandrians = Romulans (an off shoot of Vulcans) and the Kraang are the TMNT Borg.

Or from a Middle Earth POV, you could say Triceratons are dwarves and Salamandrians are elves?

But can you stereotype an entire alien race based on a few episodes?

I should point out that not all Klingons are bad, just as every human isn't good (*cough* Shredder).

I'd say it's actually reversed, being Salamandrians dwarves and Triceratons elves.

Salamandarians (or at least Sal and Mona) can get easily offended when their honor is tarnished. (Emotional)

Triceratons don't seem to care that much about that and value the end goal. (Logical)

This can be seen by their weapons as well.

Salamandarians - Swords (close combat) with some long ranged gadgets.

Triceratons - Gun blasters (long ranged) and traps

The Triceratons that we've seen so far are the same as Newtralizer and have a skewed sense of for the greater good.

They'd happily wipe out Earth to destroy the Kraang on that planet, in order to protect their own world, under the pretence of protecting the entire galaxy. Because let's be honest, if the Triceratons weren't fighting the Kraang, they'd be trying to fight someone else.

We might end up meeting a Triceraton that breaks that rule though. Sal and Mona aren't the same as Newtralizer.

Yeah, and we can even say Mona has traits of (A) as well.
You mean like Traximus from the 2k3 series. http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/7/76/Traximus.png/revision/latest?cb=20081031054728 Cuz that be awesome!

[TLP]

Considered me warped in the head, but I'm half-imagining a fearful and crying Mona Lisa holding on for dear life as the black hole generator has her, the entire Salamandarian fleet and her home planet caught in it's vortex.



...I'm tempted to draw that. If only to add fuel to the "Triceratons must all be wiped out" fire.

[Penst0ck]

Considered me warped in the head, but I'm half-imagining a fearful and crying Mona Lisa holding on for dear life as the black hole generator has her, the entire Salamandarian fleet and her home planet caught in it's vortex.



...I'm tempted to draw that. If only to add fuel to the "Triceratons must all be wiped out" fire.

Ooooooo your not alone on that one. :twink:

Do it...