Star Trek: Discovery

[ZariusTwo]

CBS Television Studios announced today it will launch a totally new Star Trek television series in January 2017. The new series will blast off with a special preview broadcast on the CBS Television Network. The premiere episode and all subsequent first-run episodes will then be available exclusively in the United States on CBS All Access, the Network’s digital subscription video on demand and live streaming service.



The next chapter of the Star Trek franchise will also be distributed concurrently for television and multiple platforms around the world by CBS Studios International.



The new program will be the first original series developed specifically for U.S. audiences for CBS All Access, a cross-platform streaming service that brings viewers thousands of episodes from CBS’s current and past seasons on demand, plus the ability to stream their local CBS Television station live for $5.99 per month. CBS All Access already offers every episode of all previous Star Trek television series.



The brand-new Star Trek will introduce new characters seeking imaginative new worlds and new civilizations, while exploring the dramatic contemporary themes that have been a signature of the franchise since its inception in 1966.



Alex Kurtzman will serve as executive producer for the new Star Trek TV series. Kurtzman co-wrote and produced the blockbuster films Star Trek (2009) with Roberto Orci, and Star Trek Into Darkness (2013) with Orci and Damon Lindelof. Both films were produced and directed by J.J. Abrams.



The new series will be produced by CBS Television Studios in association with Kurtzman’s Secret Hideout. Kurtzman and Heather Kadin will serve as executive producers. Kurtzman is also an executive producer for the hit CBS television series Scorpion and Limitless, along with Kadin and Orci, and for Hawaii Five-0 with Orci.



Star Trek, which will celebrate its 50th anniversary in 2016, is one of the most successful entertainment franchises of all time. The original Star Trek spawned a dozen feature films and five successful television series. Almost half a century later, the Star Trek television series are licensed on a variety of different platforms in more than 190 countries, and the franchise still generates more than a billion social media impressions every month.



Born from the mind of Gene Roddenberry, the original Star Trek series debuted on Sept. 8, 1966 and aired for three seasons – a short run that belied the influence it would have for generations. The series also broke new ground in storytelling and cultural mores, providing a progressive look at topics including race relations, global politics and the environment.



“There is no better time to give Star Trek fans a new series than on the heels of the original show’s 50th anniversary celebration,” said David Stapf, President, CBS Television Studios. “Everyone here has great respect for this storied franchise, and we’re excited to launch its next television chapter in the creative mind and skilled hands of Alex Kurtzman, someone who knows this world and its audience intimately.”



“This new series will premiere to the national CBS audience, then boldly go where no first-run Star Trek series has gone before – directly to its millions of fans through CBS All Access,” said Marc DeBevoise, Executive Vice President/General Manager – CBS Digital Media. “We’ve experienced terrific growth for CBS All Access, expanding the service across affiliates and devices in a very short time. We now have an incredible opportunity to accelerate this growth with the iconic Star Trek, and its devoted and passionate fan base, as our first original series.”



“Every day, an episode of the Star Trek franchise is seen in almost every country in the world,” said Armando Nuñez, President and CEO, CBS Global Distribution Group. “We can’t wait to introduce Star Trek's next voyage on television to its vast global fan base.”



CBS All Access offers its customers more than 7,500 episodes from the current television season, previous seasons and classic shows on demand nationwide, as well as the ability to stream local CBS stations live in more than 110 markets. Subscribers can use the service online and across devices via CBS.com, the CBS App for iOS, Android and Windows 10, as well as on connected devices such as Apple TV, Android TV, Chromecast, Roku players and Roku TV, with more connected devices to come.



The new television series is not related to the upcoming feature film Star Trek Beyond which is scheduled to be distributed by Paramount Pictures in summer 2016.


www.startrek.com/article/new-star-trek-series-premieres-january-2017

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Holy $hit, YES! YES YES YES!

Here's hoping they set it after TNG, DS9, and VOY. Make it so, CBS!

[TurtleTitan97]

That's cool. I'm not a major fan of Star Trek, but I'll check this out regardless.

[ZariusTwo]

Maybe now we'll get that ep where they travel to Dimension X in a far off galaxy:P

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Maybe now we'll get that ep where they travel to Dimension X in a far off galaxy:P

Blasphemy against the Holy Federation!!! :trazz:

[CyberCubed]

Wouldn't it be set in the same universe as the movies? I don't seem them going back to old continuity after the movies rebooted it.

[NinjaPug]

Exclusive to CBS's streaming service? Screw that. Kurtzman sucks anyway.

[Roseangelo]

Exclusive to CBS's streaming service? Screw that. Kurtzman sucks anyway.

Agreed. I'm all for new Trek, but this project seems like nothing more than a commercial for a crap digital service no one wants. The fact that they're airing the first episode on TV and then are going to be like, "Pay to see the rest online, suckers!" only proves this.

[CyberCubed]

Maybe they don't have the budget to do a full-fledged Star Trek show for regular television anymore? I mean I'm no expert but I would assume Star Trek shows are very costly to produce.

You have to build the sets, the make-up for the aliens, the CG for the ships, the salary of all the actors, the directors, writers, music composers, etc.

Wasn't one of the reasons Enterprise was canceled was because they couldn't afford to keep it going?

[pannoni1]

While traditional TV won't go the way like radio did in the 1950s, streaming is definitely the new "pay cable" in addition to traditional "pay cable" channels like HBO, Cinemax, Showtime, etc. That said, standard TV nowadays is crap, mostly aimed at a least common denominator due to advertising and certain formulas. With an online streaming source, this could be more impetus to encourage streaming.

Enterprise just wasn't very good; despite fan myths about "franchise burnout" given that the series came on the heels of over two decades of movies, three other TV series, and numerous fan conventions including a fan film, Enterprise was subject to bland characters and confusing plots. That said, 12 years is a pretty decent gap between TV series, and with the technology and real life ideas that have surfaced, certainly has potential.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Agreed. I'm all for new Trek, but this project seems like nothing more than a commercial for a crap digital service no one wants. The fact that they're airing the first episode on TV and then are going to be like, "Pay to see the rest online, suckers!" only proves this.

In my excitement at new Trek, I did not read that.

My hopes and dreams are shattered. Except there was every chance this is gonna be in nuTrek continuity, which means I still won't watch it unless a Jem'Hadar and a Cardassian are both main characters.

[TurtleTitan97]

xXpPweAooeE

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Oof... the instrument samples they used for the music... they couldn't have gotten a better sound out of it?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

As the foremost Trekkie on here (seriously, am I only the one? I feel like the only one), I'm cautious and already feeling like this is a mistake.

"New enemies?" Star Trek has never been about the enemies. Never. It's had some amazing enemies (the Dominion, the Borg Collective, the Cardassians and the Romulans), but they've never been the focus. Only movies have ever seriously promoted the "big bads" (Khan, Borg Queen, Shinzon, Nero, Totally-Not-Khan, Iris Elba)... and considering how nuTrek is already a fundamental misunderstanding of Star Trek, and this is probably following in its footsteps...

I'm preparing myself for disappointment and anger.

[Foombamaroom]

I'm preparing myself for disappointment and anger.
A Trekie in its natural habitat. XD


But I gotta start watching some Star Trek shows. What order should I watch 'em, guys?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

A Trekie in its natural habitat. XD


But I gotta start watching some Star Trek shows. What order should I watch 'em, guys?

The Original Series, but you have to watch only the good ones... there are quite a few stinkers.
The Next Generation, ditto.
Deep Space Nine, ALL OF IT.
Voyager, there are some good ones...
Enterprise, if you so desire prequels.

[TurtleTitan97]

The Original Series, but you have to watch only the good ones... there are quite a few stinkers.
The Next Generation, ditto.
Deep Space Nine, ALL OF IT.
Voyager, there are some good ones...
Enterprise, if you so desire prequels.

I've been meaning to get into Star Trek as well, so thanks for the recommendations.

[ZariusTwo]

You will not miss anything if you skip Voyager, it takes the least amount of risks in Trek's whole televised canon, and Enterprise suffers from an identity crisis right until the last season and ends on a real bum note.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Zarius makes good points on both Voyager and Enterprise; Voyager is my least favorite, just because it has so much potential yet does so little.

If anyone wants detailed recommendations on which episodes are must-see and which are must-skip, PM me and I am more than happy to give you full intel.

Live long and prosper.

[chrisdude]

I would watch Enterprise first. I agree that the show didn't know what it was for a while, but it is the beginning. I think it does a good job of setting things up, and they deal with so much stuff that's figured out by the time Kirk and his crew are rolling through space, making cargo deliveries and facilitating diplomatic relations. Before the Federation, before the Prime Directive, and before Earth is a big player in galactic society, it really captures the excitement of trekking out into the final frontier.

[Cure]

I'll probably watch this if it's like the new movies.

[TurtleTitan97]

The show is now titled "Star Trek Discovery". New teaser trailer here: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/scifi_movies/star_trek/title-and-teaser-trailer-for-cbs-upcoming-star-trek-tv-a143796

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

The show is now titled "Star Trek Discovery". New teaser trailer here: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/scifi_movies/star_trek/title-and-teaser-trailer-for-cbs-upcoming-star-trek-tv-a143796

That felt epic, but that's not a very good ship design. Far too angular.

[Raph's Girl]

That felt epic, but that's not a very good ship design. Far too angular.

Yeah. The nacell placement is totally odd. I guess I can get used to that. Gonna be interesting tho who they cast as the crew.

Apparantly this was a rejected design for the Enterprise.... I can see why. :P

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Yeah. The nacell placement is totally odd. I guess I can get used to that. Gonna be interesting tho who they cast as the crew.

Apparantly this was a rejected design for the Enterprise.... I can see why. :P

Agreed. Eew. :tlol:

[Spike Spiegel]

Hope the scripts are up to par. That ship design looks like somebody sat on the NX-01.

[Andrew NDB]

They've said it's in the "real" timeline... but what they aren't telling people is that the only reason it is, is because it's set pre-Kelvin incident but post-Enterprise. Likely it's in the aftermath of the Romulan Wars that broke out a few years after Enterprise ended.

How boring. 3 prequels in a row? Forward, damn you. Forward, not back.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

They've said it's in the "real" timeline... but what they aren't telling people is that the only reason it is, is because it's set pre-Kelvin incident but post-Enterprise. Likely it's in the aftermath of the Romulan Wars that broke out a few years after Enterprise ended.

How boring. 3 prequels in a row? Forward, damn you. Forward, not back.

Let me remind everyone about three kickass audio Trek series. I may or may not have written for both production teams. :tcool:

http://darkerprojects.com/section31/
http://darkerprojects.com/lostfrontier/
http://starshipexcelsior.com/

[Raph's Girl]

New info on Star Trek Discovery. It's set 10 years before TOS and the main character will be a female Lt. Commander.

According to Fuller, the show will be set 10 years before “Star Trek: The Original Series.” Due to its proximity to “TOS,” “Discovery’s” look, design, and ships will closely resemble Captain Kirk’s. Putting “Discovery” in this timeline will also bridge the gap between “Star Trek Enterprise” and “TOS,” something the series has never explored before.

During the panel Fuller was also asked a variety of questions, including if the Romulan war will be the main conflict in the series, if the show will remain diverse, and if Amanda Grayson — Spock’s mother from “Star Trek” 2009 as played by Winona Ryder — will have a role.

Fuller denied the Romulan conflict saying that will not be the focus of the show. He said that there will be more aliens on the ship and that the Discovery will reflect the diversity Trek fans have come to expect. He also said that while Grayson is not officially confirmed for the show, she could show up at any time since he is a big fan of her character.

So basically expect to see Teen Spock and Teen Kirk. :P

http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/2016/08/10/star-trek-discovery-set-10-years-before-the-original-series/

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

New info on Star Trek Discovery. It's set 10 years before TOS and the main character will be a female Lt. Commander.



So basically expect to see Teen Spock and Teen Kirk. :P

http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/2016/08/10/star-trek-discovery-set-10-years-before-the-original-series/

Eh. Resounding apathy.

[CyberCubed]

Another female Captain? Why do I get the feeling this is pandering to Star Wars with Rey being the new lead and then the girl in the new Rogue One movie?

Seems everything has a female lead these days. On another note did Janeway remind anyone else of Hilary Clinton?

[Raph's Girl]

Another female Captain? Why do I get the feeling this is pandering to Star Wars with Rey being the new lead and then the girl in the new Rogue One movie?


No. Not a female Captain. It's a female Lt. Commander. She is NOT the Captain.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Another female Captain? Why do I get the feeling this is pandering to Star Wars with Rey being the new lead and then the girl in the new Rogue One movie?

Seems everything has a female lead these days. On another note did Janeway remind anyone else of Hilary Clinton?

Janeway didn't remind me of anyone. I found her boring.

Kira Nerys was a much more impressive command figure.

[ZariusTwo]

So after a decade long wait for new telly Trek, it's just more of the prequel malarkey that fans only took to in the dying days of Enterprise?

Are they allergic to present day follow ups or something? I don't think there's been anything set in the modern timeline since that "Countdown" prequel to the 2009 Trek movie which explained where Nero came from.

[Spike Spiegel]

New info on Star Trek Discovery. It's set 10 years before TOS and the main character will be a female Lt. Commander.


Seems reminiscent of the original pilot for TOS and its character "Number One," the ship's first officer who would have been played by Majel Barrett.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

So after a decade long wait for new telly Trek, it's just more of the prequel malarkey that fans only took to in the dying days of Enterprise?

Are they allergic to present day follow ups or something? I don't think there's been anything set in the modern timeline since that "Countdown" prequel to the 2009 Trek movie which explained where Nero came from.

Exactly. Prequels are so very hard to pull off... almost none of them are ever critically well received.

So much open space and time, but no, ten years before "The Corbomite Manuever" or whatever. Such a waste.

[Andrew NDB]

"It's a prequel to TOS but after Enterprise, so it's technically in the Prime Timeline but it's before the Kelvin Incident so we won't piss off Abrams or his fans," is basically what they're saying.

Still, I don't think we're quite getting the big picture here. The trailer promised "new crews," plural, and there was earlier a lot of talk about exploring different eras each season.

Maybe at the end of season 1, the USS Discovery does something amazing, some heroic sacrifice that's forever remembered in the annals of Starfleet. Then, a young captain takes command of the USS Discovery NCC-1031-A in the days after the Khitomer Accords in Season 2. Then, Season 3, the USS Discovery NCC-1031-F launches in the 25th century. Or maybe the Discovery just does something incredible that establishes a theme to each season in different eras. Or something.

Or maybe the USS Discovery time-travels and becomes marooned in the post-TNG future.

Or maybe CBS is just plain too chickensh*t to do anything post-Abrams.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Cylons I'm shocked and dismayed. Voyager your least favorite? SKIP IT?! :teek: You blasphemer!! Janeway and her crew were among tbe most interesting and well-developed characters, and had the added bonus of being COMPLETELY independant of the Federation since they were stuck flying blind in the Gamma Quadrant. And we got to see Q ask her to have his baby- certainly one of MY most memorable Trek moments, LOL!!

As an aside, no Cy, you're not the only Trekkie here. But I'd just as soon only watch the first couple of seasons of DS9. I got kind of bored with tbe political undertones it constantly threw at us.

[Spike Spiegel]

With all this prequel discussion, do you think AbramsTrek should be retconned with this series? Why or why not?

[Andrew NDB]

With all this prequel discussion, do you think AbramsTrek should be retconned with this series? Why or why not?

I'm OK with it just left dangling as this timeline branch off the main one, but a very big part of me would love seeing, like, the 29th century Starfleet temporal division sorting out Nero upon his arrival into the 23rd century and restoring everything.

The mentioning that Star Trek 4 would have Kirk teaming up with his dad suggests that might even be what they're going to do, but differently. End the Abramsverse with NuKirk sacrificing himself to save his dad and stop Nero right on the Narada's arrival. That, I could get behind. We'd get a definitive beginning, middle, and end of the Abramsverse as well as some purpose to NuKirk. Though with Beyond looking to make less than half of Into Darkness' box office... it might not even happen.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Cylons I'm shocked and dismayed. Voyager your least favorite? SKIP IT?! :teek: You blasphemer!! Janeway and her crew were among tbe most interesting and well-developed characters, and had the added bonus of being COMPLETELY independant of the Federation since they were stuck flying blind in the Gamma Quadrant. And we got to see Q ask her to have his baby- certainly one of MY most memorable Trek moments, LOL!!

As an aside, no Cy, you're not the only Trekkie here. But I'd just as soon only watch the first couple of seasons of DS9. I got kind of bored with tbe political undertones it constantly threw at us.

See, I LOVE DS9. The politics, the wars, the religion, the humanity, the non-Federation of it all.

Voyager bored me. I wish it had been more like Battlestar Galactica (the new version). Nobody ever ran out of photon torpedoes, or gel packs, or dilithium, or anything. It never felt desperate.

I'll watch it for the EMH Doctor and Seven of Nine, but otherwise, snooze.

[CyberCubed]

DS9 is the best Trek series, then the best episodes of Next Generation, then a mix-up between TOS/Voyager/Enterprise where you cherry pick the good episodes and ignore the trash.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

See, I LOVE DS9. The politics, the wars, the religion, the humanity, the non-Federation of it all.

Voyager bored me. I wish it had been more like Battlestar Galactica (the new version). Nobody ever ran out of photon torpedoes, or gel packs, or dilithium, or anything. It never felt desperate.

I'll watch it for the EMH Doctor and Seven of Nine, but otherwise, snooze.


Are you sure we were watching tbe same episodes?! I remember quite a few times they ran out or had issues with gel packs, dilithium, or photon torpedoes. Not to mention running into several new species that made those things useless. Add in Q's repeated meddling and the Hirogen(sp?) and several encounters with the Borg and species 42-(sorry I forget the rest) and it was quite desperate indeed! The "year of hell" episodes especially. Neelix and Kes were some of the most unique races in Trek, and as you pointed out, both the Doctor and Seven were incredible characters. I'm fond of the friendship between Harry and Tom, B'lanna's conflicted personality (Maquee/Starfleet, human/klingon) and the odd dynamic of Tuvok and Neelix being so close. It was the discovery and interactions I loved. The only things I really enjoyed about DS9 were Quark, Odo, and Dax. Kira at times, but she was often too rigid. And Worf and O'Brien from the TNG crew being there. All the political and religious stuff left me kind of luke-warm. The time-travel episode back to Tribbles was fun though. And Odo playing hide and seek with kids on the station was amusing. He cheats though....

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Are you sure we were watching tbe same episodes?! I remember quite a few times they ran out or had issues with gel packs, dilithium, or photon torpedoes. Not to mention running into several new species that made those things useless. Add in Q's repeated meddling and the Hirogen(sp?) and several encounters with the Borg and species 42-(sorry I forget the rest) and it was quite desperate indeed! The "year of hell" episodes especially. Neelix and Kes were some of the most unique races in Trek, and as you pointed out, both the Doctor and Seven were incredible characters. I'm fond of the friendship between Harry and Tom, B'lanna's conflicted personality (Maquee/Starfleet, human/klingon) and the odd dynamic of Tuvok and Neelix being so close. It was the discovery and interactions I loved. The only things I really enjoyed about DS9 were Quark, Odo, and Dax. Kira at times, but she was often too rigid. And Worf and O'Brien from the TNG crew being there. All the political and religious stuff left me kind of luke-warm. The time-travel episode back to Tribbles was fun though. And Odo playing hide and seek with kids on the station was amusing. He cheats though....

They'd run out for exactly one episode. And then be fine again. Never any lasting consequences; every episode hit the reset button and there was never any lasting consequences.

There are plenty of decent episodes in there (mostly regarding the new species, Hirogen, Species 8472, and the Borg), but all of the characters were just too familiar.

Oh, look, another Klingon in Starfleet who's conflicted over his/her parentage.
Oh, look, another freshfaced ensign.

And I hated Kes. Neelix... eh, maybe.

[ZariusTwo]

The writer of Wrath of Khan is set to write an episode

http://comicbook.com/2016/08/28/wrath-of-khan-writer-to-pen-star-trek-discovery-episode/

[MsMarvelDuckie]

They'd run out for exactly one episode. And then be fine again. Never any lasting consequences; every episode hit the reset button and there was never any lasting consequences.

There are plenty of decent episodes in there (mostly regarding the new species, Hirogen, Species 8472, and the Borg), but all of the characters were just too familiar.

Oh, look, another Klingon in Starfleet who's conflicted over his/her parentage.
Oh, look, another freshfaced ensign.

And I hated Kes. Neelix... eh, maybe.


There were plenty of consequences. Seven and the Borg children proved instrumental in several encounters, they were so badly damaged during the "year of hell" arc that they nearly lost the ship, Q offered a quick fix- and Janeway rejected it- and the biggest issue was of course that in all of this, they had NO contact with Starfleet much less any help from home until the last couple of seasons when they finally managed to establish limited periodic contact. Each time they had problems, they had to solve it completely alone- no allies or cavalry to rely on. It actually had more continuity than even TNG.

Klingons in Starfleet being conflicted over parentage? Worf never was. Alexander maybe, but only because he was the only kid around who was one. Worf's biggest issue was his family's dishonor, which isn't the same thing as B'lanna being a half-breed. Ensign Kim was essentially a foil for Paris, the "straight" half of their mild comic relief. Young sure but I like him FAR better than Wesley. I thought Kes was an interesting character based on her relationships with Neelix and the Doctor, made more complicated by her species rate of aging.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

There were plenty of consequences. Seven and the Borg children proved instrumental in several encounters, they were so badly damaged during the "year of hell" arc that they nearly lost the ship, Q offered a quick fix- and Janeway rejected it- and the biggest issue was of course that in all of this, they had NO contact with Starfleet much less any help from home until the last couple of seasons when they finally managed to establish limited periodic contact. Each time they had problems, they had to solve it completely alone- no allies or cavalry to rely on. It actually had more continuity than even TNG.

I don't see it that way. Things only carried over to recurring losses/themes in rare instances, and most of the time was very "alien of the week" and reset buttons everywhere. Maybe my views will become less harsh when I do a comprehensive rewatch in a year or so...

Klingons in Starfleet being conflicted over parentage? Worf never was. Alexander maybe, but only because he was the only kid around who was one. Worf's biggest issue was his family's dishonor, which isn't the same thing as B'lanna being a half-breed. Ensign Kim was essentially a foil for Paris, the "straight" half of their mild comic relief. Young sure but I like him FAR better than Wesley. I thought Kes was an interesting character based on her relationships with Neelix and the Doctor, made more complicated by her species rate of aging.

I misspoke; what I meant to say was Klingon HERITAGE, not specifically parentage.

And I'll give you Kim over Wesley; at least Kim got in on his own merits and not the coattails of his mom's lab coat. :tlol:

Ugh. Kes is the worst Trek character ever for me. Worse than Wesley, worse than Neelix, worse than anyone. Did not like her at all.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Why is that? I thought she was just fine. Different strokes I guess.

I was/am a big fan of Voyager in general, I liked the more self-reliant aspect of the show, the fact that most of the species they encountered were hostile and they had no backup, which really brought the "lost explorer" theme home. It felt like what the early explorations might have been like (and Enterprise tried to capture that too but wirh far less success) and the added dynamic of mixing two crews (Federation and Maquee) made for some interesting dramatic tention in the early seasons. Learning to work together and trust each other in spite of differences- exactly what a ST series should be. All the outside threats maxe it more urgent IMO.

Klingons in general have never seemed overly concerned with what others tbink of them, and Worf only worried about the honoe of his family being tarnished as being branded traitors. I think that B'lanna dealing with racism as a child and her dismissal of her Klingon heritage for the early part of the show was more indicative of her own personal experience than any issues of Klingons in the Federation as a race. It was very personal and had roots in how she was treated, where Worf was raised among humans but still fully embraced his heritage. Alexander was conflicted to a point, but more because he had little contact with his people beyond his dad and occasionally his mother when she appeared.

[TigerClaw]

The writer of Wrath of Khan is set to write an episode

http://comicbook.com/2016/08/28/wrath-of-khan-writer-to-pen-star-trek-discovery-episode/
He's a pretty good writer, so I hope he comes up with something as epic as Wrath of Khan was.

[Raph's Girl]

So apparantly the main character in ST: Discovery will be a one off character from the original TOS pilot that was played by Majel Roddenberry simply known as Number One...well alrighty then. Now who would be a good young Majel?


https://scifibulletin.com/2016/08/29/number-one-back-on-star-trek/

[Raph's Girl]

Welp looks like we won't be seeing Star Trek Discovery in January. It's been delayed to May.This is being done so they can deliver the best stuff possible for the show. They haven't even started filming yet anyways.

http://www.comingsoon.net/tv/news/766613-star-trek-discovery-delayed-until-may-2017

[Andrew NDB]

Double uh-oh... Fuller is out as showrunner.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/bryan-fuller-as-star-trek-discovery-showrunner-941587

Sure, he had other projects to do. Mmm-hmm, that's why he left. Not at all creative differences. Mmm-hmm.

[Spike Spiegel]

The CBS All Access show features the franchise's Enterprise, now known as the U.S.S. Discovery. The drama will introduce new characters seeking new worlds and new civilizations while exploring the dramatic contemporary themes that have been a signature of the franchise since its inception in 1966.

Sources tell THR that the rest of the cast also will feature an openly gay actor as one of the male leads (which Fuller confirmed), a female admiral, a male Klingon captain, a male admiral, a male adviser and a British male doctor.

Look at the bright side--

If there are too many corporate cooks in the kitchen and too much pandering--and this series ends up being really bad--maybe more people will appreciate Enterprise.

[TigerClaw]

Double uh-oh... Fuller is out as showrunner.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/bryan-fuller-as-star-trek-discovery-showrunner-941587

Sure, he had other projects to do. Mmm-hmm, that's why he left. Not at all creative differences. Mmm-hmm.
Yeah, the fact he has other projects over this one is in itself, a creative difference.

As a Showrunner, that show should be your #1 priority, you can worry about your other projects later.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, the fact he has other projects over this one is in itself, a creative difference.

As a Showrunner, that show should be your #1 priority, you can worry about your other projects later.

He just suddenly realized that now? This, coupled with the almost year delay announced... something is rotten.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

He just suddenly realized that now? This, coupled with the almost year delay announced... something is rotten.

Agreed. Perhaps the financial drop from "Into Darkness" to "Beyond" is having them rethink some things?

[Zak The Neutrino]

Or maybe they are realizing that no one is going to buy into this stupid CBS pay app to actually watch this show.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Or maybe they are realizing that no one is going to buy into this stupid CBS pay app to actually watch this show.

Ooooh, I forgot about that. Hopefully that.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

The number of people who will be interested enough in this show to pay for a CBS app is very low. What were they thinking? Why not air this on TV? Are they trying to be like Netflix and have "original content" that streams? What backwards-ass corporate dinosaur thought this up?

[TigerClaw]

The number of people who will be interested enough in this show to pay for a CBS app is very low. What were they thinking? Why not air this on TV? Are they trying to be like Netflix and have "original content" that streams? What backwards-ass corporate dinosaur thought this up?
Yeah, This is the opportunity for CBS to air it on there network, and they shooting themselves on the foot.

[Vegita-San]

The number of people who will be interested enough in this show to pay for a CBS app is very low. What were they thinking? Why not air this on TV? Are they trying to be like Netflix and have "original content" that streams? What backwards-ass corporate dinosaur thought this up?

Maybe it's not going to be good enough for tv, so they decided to risk it with this stupid pay app decision?

Just because it's set in the prime universe doesn't make it good.
starting with the announcment that this thing was going to be raunchier, and the terrible design of the ship that looks more klingon bird of prey then anything...

I don't have any hope that anyone at Paramount knows how to make ST work.

[TigerClaw]

Maybe it's not going to be good enough for tv, so they decided to risk it with this stupid pay app decision?

Just because it's set in the prime universe doesn't make it good.
starting with the announcment that this thing was going to be raunchier, and the terrible design of the ship that looks more klingon bird of prey then anything...

I don't have any hope that anyone at Paramount knows how to make ST work.
I heard that the series will be a lot more mature, so maybe it wouldn't be good enough for TV.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Raunchier? A lot more mature?
Oh, I see. They're trying to get the Game of Thrones audience, aren't they? It's all beginning to make sense now.

[TigerClaw]

Raunchier? A lot more mature?
Oh, I see. They're trying to get the Game of Thrones audience, aren't they? It's all beginning to make sense now.
cause its on a streaming service, they can get away with more mature content.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

cause its on a streaming service, they can get away with more mature content.

I don't watch HBO stuff but don't they "air" their content through some app? Is that what CBS is trying to replicate?

[TigerClaw]

I don't watch HBO stuff but don't they "air" their content through some app? Is that what CBS is trying to replicate?
Yeah, CBS has its CBS All Access service.
https://www.cbs.com/all-access/

[Zak The Neutrino]

I think all the channels are going to try making their own channel apps if the industry keeps going the way it is. So many people are cutting the cord because these cable and satellite providers have gotten so greedy over the last 10 years. They keep trying to pay the companies less and less for their channels while raising prices on the consumer.

When I got Directv 8 years ago it was way cheaper than cable. Now it's damn near the same price. If it wasn't for football and my kids watching Nick and Disney I would have cancelled that crap. I would just buy the shows I watch by the episode from Itunes.

Now I heard ATT is trying to buy Time Warner. Not sure exactly how that works because I thought Time Warner had been bought by Comcast.

Edit. To add to my point why would I buy an app from CBS or ABC or Fox when I can get those channels over the air for free?

[Raph's Girl]

Michelle Yeoh has been cast in Star Trek Discovery as Captain Han Bo, captain of another ship called Shenzhou.


http://www.cbr.com/star-trek-discovery-beams-aboard-michelle-yeoh

[Raph's Girl]

Casting news:
Michelle Yeoh plays Captain Georgiou (formerly Han Bo), captain of the Shenzhou.

Doug Jones plays Lt. Saru. ATM he's not attached to any ship but he's a science officer and a member of some alien race we've never seen before (because... CGI...) :roll:

Anthony Rapp plays Uss Discovery science officer Lt. Stamets who's specialty is astromycology (space fungi)... because yes that's a totally useful occupation... space mushroom expert... :ohwell:

http://io9.gizmodo.com/doug-jones-anthony-rapp-and-michelle-yeoh-are-your-fi-1789477193

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Stamets is going to be an awkward nerd, because he has a really specialized interest. Calling it now.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

As probably the biggest Trekkie on the 'Drome, they are doing NOTHING to interest me yet.

[Andrew NDB]

As probably the biggest Trekkie on the 'Drome, they are doing NOTHING to interest me yet.

Ignoring the Abramsverse is about the only thing that's pleased me so far. Everything else, from setting to ship design to plot scuttlebutt sounds ass.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Ignoring the Abramsverse is about the only thing that's pleased me so far. Everything else, from setting to ship design to plot scuttlebutt sounds ass.

Word, single other fellow diehard Trekkie on the 'Drome. :tlol:

Ugh.

Andrew, do you read the novels from Pocket Books at all? The Deep Space Nine relaunch series was amazing.

[TigerClaw]

The series will take place in the prime timeline, but set between Enterprise and TOS.
I'm sure there will be references to Enterprise, and some foreshadowing of TOS.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

The series will take place in the prime timeline, but set between Enterprise and TOS.
I'm sure there will be references to Enterprise, and some foreshadowing of TOS.

Yeah, THAT'LL get us excited. :trolleye:

[Andrew NDB]

Word, single other fellow diehard Trekkie on the 'Drome. :tlol:

Ugh.

Andrew, do you read the novels from Pocket Books at all? The Deep Space Nine relaunch series was amazing.

I haven't read any Pocket Star Trek books in ages. I used to. All the Shatner "SuperKirk returns to life and fights the Borg and others" books, Crossover, Probe (excellent Star Trek IV sequel), Federation, Manifest Destiny... um... the 4 part "Invasion!" series. That's it.

The series will take place in the prime timeline, but set between Enterprise and TOS.
I'm sure there will be references to Enterprise, and some foreshadowing of TOS.

https://gifcrap.com/g2data/albums/TV/Jack%20Nicholson%20fapping.gif

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I haven't read any Pocket Star Trek books in ages. I used to. All the Shatner "SuperKirk returns to life and fights the Borg and others" books, Crossover, Probe (excellent Star Trek IV sequel), Federation, Manifest Destiny... um... the 4 part "Invasion!" series. That's it.

Oh yeah, Shatner's SuperKirk novels. :tlol: Those were hilarious.

You should really consider checking into the various relaunches; Deep Space 9 was the most successful (and best written, IMO), and Voyager tried and then retried, and Next Generation finally came along, too. (Also Titan, with Riker and Troi and Tuvok aboard the USS Titan, post-Nemesis.) Oh, and Enterprise.

Then the relaunches eventually culminated in a big all-out Borg war, and then continued with new status quos and some new galactic alliances and cold war. My big problem with the relaunches since this is all of the crew are so scattered, it's pretty much impossible to keep track of or enjoy.

http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/DS9_relaunch
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Voyager_relaunch
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/TNG_relaunch
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Trek:_Titan
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Trek:_Enterprise

[TheSkeletonMan939]

The series will take place in the prime timeline, but set between Enterprise and TOS.
I'm sure there will be references to Enterprise, and some foreshadowing of TOS.

Oh, well that fixes everything, doesn't it?

If anything that makes it ****ing worse. Always trying to make itself relevant by calling back or calling forward. This sounds like it'll be worse Trek than the Abrams films.

[Vegita-San]

Casting news:
Michelle Yeoh plays Captain Georgiou (formerly Han Bo), captain of the Shenzhou.


is this how they plan to get into china's air schedule?

sad. i never used to look at chinese casting with suspicion....now thanks to the all mighty pandering dollar, i do.

[Andrew NDB]

is this how they plan to get into china's air schedule?

sad. i never used to look at chinese casting with suspicion....now thanks to the all mighty pandering dollar, i do.

Fuller wanted Angela Bassett... instead, they get a Chinese cash grab.

[Raph's Girl]

Well apparantly the fungus expert, Lt. Stamets, is gay... Wonder how many aliens he'll have fun with? :roll:


http://www.ew.com/article/2016/11/29/star-trek-discovery-cast-gay

[TheSkeletonMan939]

How progressive!

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Well apparantly the fungus expert, Lt. Stamets, is gay... Wonder how many aliens he'll have fun with? :roll:


http://www.ew.com/article/2016/11/29/star-trek-discovery-cast-gay

How progressive. He's a fun guy!

<ba dum tish>

[Andrew NDB]

* Title of the show, Star Trek: Discovery: It's OK, I guess. Hard to mess up a title, though.
* Design of the titular ship, the USS Discovery: It's ass.
* The promise of it being set outside the Abramsverse: Win.
* Promise of edgy stories, a sweeping season long story: Possibly good. It worked for Enterprise Season 3 and the Dominion War in DS9. As long as it's something interesting (unfortunately, nothing so far strikes me as remotely interesting, certainly not anything to justify making the show another damn prequel).
* Bryan Fuller made showrunner, then leaving: Very troubling.
* The setting, 10 years before TOS: Terrible idea. Ass-backwards.
* Delaying the show 6 months: Bad. And concerning.
* The promise of creating and putting a gay character for the show for the sake of creating and putting a gay character for the show: Meaningless to me.
* One of the crew is a fungus expert: What?
* Announcement of Michelle Yeoh as the captain of the... Shenzhou? Meaningless to me. And probably mostly to the show. It's Star Trek: Discovery, not Star Trek: Shenzhou.

That's kind of where I'm at.

[Vegita-San]

Well apparantly the fungus expert, Lt. Stamets, is gay... Wonder how many aliens he'll have fun with? :roll:


http://www.ew.com/article/2016/11/29/star-trek-discovery-cast-gay

that's his title? Fungus expert? Seriously?

Sigh.

this is where we get into agenda territory folks. Don't announce it like it's this big changing thing when we are in 2016. just let folks discover it on their own.

sigh.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

* Title of the show, Star Trek: Discovery: It's OK, I guess. Hard to mess up a title, though.
* Design of the titular ship, the USS Discovery: It's ass.
* The promise of it being set outside the Abramsverse: Win.
* Promise of edgy stories, a sweeping season long story: Possibly good. It worked for Enterprise Season 3 and the Dominion War in DS9. As long as it's something interesting (unfortunately, nothing so far strikes me as remotely interesting, certainly not anything to justify making the show another damn prequel).
* Bryan Fuller made showrunner, then leaving: Very troubling.
* The setting, 10 years before TOS: Terrible idea. Ass-backwards.
* Delaying the show 6 months: Bad. And concerning.
* The promise of creating and putting a gay character for the show for the sake of creating and putting a gay character for the show: Meaningless to me.
* One of the crew is a fungus expert: What?
* Announcement of Michelle Yeoh as the captain of the... Shenzhou? Meaningless to me. And probably mostly to the show. It's Star Trek: Discovery, not Star Trek: Shenzhou.

That's kind of where I'm at.

I think we're pretty much on the same page. I mean, it's about time Trek had a gay main character, but is that all the thought they've put into it?

"We've got a guy... and HE'S GAY!!!!!"
"We need more detail."
...
...
...
"Comic relief! He likes space mushrooms!"
"GOLD."
:trolleye:

[TheSkeletonMan939]

* Promise of edgy stories, a sweeping season long story: Possibly good.

Not in my eyes. I feel like a lot of modern TV shows LOVE to sacrifice meaningful, "full" episodes in the name of one long story arc.
As in, rather than 13 interesting stories per season, you get one lonnnng drawn-out narrative whose actually gripping plot points are few and far between in those 13 eps. The season-long story will just be a gimmick to trick people into thinking that there's a reason to keep watching this show after seeing that episode 1 sucks.

[plastroncafe]

Entertainment Weekly makes a big thing about the fact that a character on a show is going to have same sex attraction, and suddenly it's agenda!

Yeah, it's agenda.
Entertainment weekly wants the links and the advertising revenue.
Well played EW. Well played.

[Raph's Girl]

that's his title? Fungus expert? Seriously?


And he was named after the top fungus expert, Paul Stamets. He's written several books on growing fungi in space. I've found several articles written in the past decade about astromycology. Kinda fascinating.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

And he was named after the top fungus expert, Paul Stamets. He's written several books on growing fungi in space. I've found several articles written in the past decade about astromycology. Kinda fascinating.

I'm sorry, but it's coming off as "goofy comedy wacky" crap to me.

[Spike Spiegel]

It can't be as bad as season 1 of Enterprise.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It can't be as bad as season 1 of Enterprise.

Oh come on... at least Enterprise was interesting.

[Spike Spiegel]

I have seen parts of seasons 3 and 4 that I liked, but I am currently watching it in order after various episodes of seasons 3-6 of TNG. Quite a contrast after stuff like Best of Both Worlds, Brothers, and Yesterday's Enterprise.

Season 1 feels like a chore so far, but I am aware that it gets better.

[Raph's Girl]

And now for...Klingons! Seems thar be Klingons in the new Star Trek series. Buuuut will they have bumpy heads or smooth heads??

Chris Obi will star as "T'Kuvma," the Klingon leader seeking to unite the Klingon houses.

Shazad Latif (Dr. Jekyl in Penny Dreadful) will star as "Kol," the Commanding Officer of the Klingons and protegé of T'Kuvma.

Mary Chieffo will star as "L'Rell," the Battle Deck Commander of the Klingon ship.

https://www.thewrap.com/star-trek-discovery-casts-klingon-warriors/

[Andrew NDB]

And now for...Klingons! Seems thar be Klingons in the new Star Trek series. Buuuut will they have bumpy heads or smooth heads??

And will they wear those stupid Abrams masks.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Klingons and Vulcans have had PLENTY of screentime across all of Star Trek.

Wake me up when we do something with less-popular species.

Remember how Enterprise had episodes focusing on the Andorians and Tellarites? Even an Orion episode?

Remember how they came up with the Suliban and the Xindi?

But nah, the Klingons are good. Yay merchandise. :trolleye:

[Andrew NDB]

Entertainment Weekly makes a big thing about the fact that a character on a show is going to have same sex attraction, and suddenly it's agenda!

Well, not some sinister agenda... but when Fuller pretty much told us from the beginning that was part of his plan when pre-production began before a single script had been commissioned and they even knew what form or shape the same sex attraction character would take or even who the crew would be, it literally can't not be an agenda.

[Andrew NDB]

Klingons and Vulcans have had PLENTY of screentime across all of Star Trek.

Wake me up when we do something with less-popular species.

Remember how Enterprise had episodes focusing on the Andorians and Tellarites? Even an Orion episode?

Remember how they came up with the Suliban and the Xindi?

But nah, the Klingons are good. Yay merchandise. :trolleye:

It's TPTB going, "Uh oh! No Kirk and Spock, not even the Enterprise?!?! How will this sell? We better at least have the Klingons!"

[CyberCubed]

Star Trek is dead. I don't read any of the comics or books so I have no idea what goes on in them, but in terms of TV shows and movies I think we're done.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It's TPTB going, "Uh oh! No Kirk and Spock, not even the Enterprise?!?! How will this sell? We better at least have the Klingons!"

Exactly. How hard was it to pitch a 25th century show? FFS. Star Trek hasn't boldly gone where no viewer had gone before since Voyager went off the air... though I did like most of Enterprise.

Star Trek is dead. I don't read any of the comics or books so I have no idea what goes on in them, but in terms of TV shows and movies I think we're done.

I certainly hope those movies are dead. And I'd rather have no Trek TV than bad Trek TV.

Deep Space Nine was still the fvcking BEST. :tcool:

[Raph's Girl]

Sonequa Martin-Green has been cast as the lead character in ST Discovery. All is known about the character is that she's a Lt. Commander.


http://www.ew.com/article/2016/12/14/star-trek-discovery-walking-dead-sonequa-martin-green

[Raph's Girl]

James Frain has been cast as Sarek in ST Discovery.... *blinks* I just can't picture him as a stoick and logical Vulcan. Im so used to seeing him as an evil dude...

Also Discovery has been delayed again.... no word on the new release date.

http://www.cbr.com/star-trek-discovery-debut-delayed-spocks-father-cast

[Andrew NDB]

James Frain has been cast as Sarek in ST Discovery....

Gonna go with "lame." They really are terrified to have a Star Trek anything without Kirk, Spock or an Enterprise.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Gonna go with "lame." They really are terrified to have a Star Trek anything without Kirk, Spock or an Enterprise.

James Frain has been cast as Sarek in ST Discovery.... *blinks* I just can't picture him as a stoick and logical Vulcan. Im so used to seeing him as an evil dude...

Also Discovery has been delayed again.... no word on the new release date.

http://www.cbr.com/star-trek-discovery-debut-delayed-spocks-father-cast

Oh GTFO, Discovery. We don't need a young Sarek. Haven't those abominable Abrams movies given us our fill of young prequel crap? :trolleye:

[CyberCubed]

I still don't get what this is. Is this a full new series with real seasons like Voyager, Enterprise, etc....or is this just some short mini-series or something?

[Raph's Girl]

I still don't get what this is. Is this a full new series with real seasons like Voyager, Enterprise, etc....or is this just some short mini-series or something?

I think this is supposed to be a full new series.

[Andrew NDB]

CBS All Access... The streaming frontier...
These are the pending voyages of the Starship Discovery.
Its long delayed mission:
To revisit familiar worlds...
To trot out old characters; old civilizations...
To safely go where 13 films and 5 other shows have gone before!

[CyberCubed]

My guess is they want Star Trek to see the same success in a revival that all these new Star Wars films are having. That was the original point of the 2009 Star Trek reboot in the first place.

But now we're 3 films later and box office declines for each consecutive movie leave them at a standstill. I know they're still making a fourth, but they're probably hoping this series takes off. If not, then I don't know what they will do.

Star Trek is still going in comics from IDW, but I don't care enough to check them out.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

My guess is they want Star Trek to see the same success in a revival that all these new Star Wars films are having. That was the original point of the 2009 Star Trek reboot in the first place.

But now we're 3 films later and box office declines for each consecutive movie leave them at a standstill. I know they're still making a fourth, but they're probably hoping this series takes off. If not, then I don't know what they will do.

Star Trek is still going in comics from IDW, but I don't care enough to check them out.

CBS All Access... The streaming frontier...
These are the pending voyages of the Starship Discovery.
Its long delayed mission:
To revisit familiar worlds...
To trot out old characters; old civilizations...
To safely go where 13 films and 5 other shows have gone before!

Go check out some ORIGINAL and DAMN GOOD Star Trek:

http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/DS9_relaunch
http://darkerprojects.com/section31/
http://darkerprojects.com/lostfrontier/
http://starshipexcelsior.com/

[Cure]

My guess is they want Star Trek to see the same success in a revival that all these new Star Wars films are having. That was the original point of the 2009 Star Trek reboot in the first place.

But now we're 3 films later and box office declines for each consecutive movie leave them at a standstill. I know they're still making a fourth, but they're probably hoping this series takes off. If not, then I don't know what they will do.

Star Trek is still going in comics from IDW, but I don't care enough to check them out.

Yeah, if it's like the new movies then I'll check this show out. If it's like the old stuff then I'm out.

[Spike Spiegel]

Sonequa Martin-Green has a cool presence about her...she reminds me of a young Angela Bassett. Definitely strikes me as being a captain moreso than Archer did.

The inclusion of Sarek seems a little forced.

[Raph's Girl]

Filming hath begun! Or production anyways. Here's a behind the scenes video. That captain's chair looks rather uncomfortable.

j9QHrNdgX4U

http://ew.com/tv/2017/01/31/star-trek-discovery-tease/

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

I've seen there old Startrek episodes on TV recently. Probably because a new series will come.

[Raph's Girl]

W...T...F?!

https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16602755_1438465922851463_4673271462983824376_n.jp g?oh=d1fd322f6acecb1f9563e5529f305436&oe=593493C2

[CyberCubed]

http://thenationnetwork.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/ae/f5/article_aef5c6c2-0641-45ca-9ebc-5cf4680903ff.jpg

[Andrew NDB]

Sh*t......

[CyberCubed]

I don't understand why they feel the compulsive need to constantly change what the Klingons look like every new series now.

[Andrew NDB]

At this point in time they should either look like Worf or they should have no ridges on their foreheads at all (after the episode of Enterprise explained that due to a viral outbreak, any Klingons exposed would lose their ridges for about 100 years).

[ZariusTwo]

Why the f*ck am I looking at Draconians from Doctor Who?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Fvck that. Those aren't Klingons. And some people thought this could turn out anyway but terrible...

[saintsaucey]

They remind me of the klingons from the motion picture

[Raph's Girl]

And introducing more crew for... the other ship... :P

Terry Serpico is Admiral Anderson
Maulik Pancholy is Dr. Nambue, the Chief Medical Officer of the Starship Shenzhou
Sam Vartholomeos is Ensign Connor, fresh out of Starfleet Academy and assigned to the Shenzhou

http://www.cbs.com/shows/star-trek-discovery/news/1006622/star-trek-discovery-enlists-three-more-actors/

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

And introducing more crew for... the other ship... :P

Terry Serpico is Admiral Anderson
Maulik Pancholy is Dr. Nambue, the Chief Medical Officer of the Starship Shenzhou
Sam Vartholomeos is Ensign Connor, fresh out of Starfleet Academy and assigned to the Shenzhou

http://www.cbs.com/shows/star-trek-discovery/news/1006622/star-trek-discovery-enlists-three-more-actors/

This production really knows how to keep my lack of interest steady.

[Raph's Girl]

And introducing Jason Isaacs (Lucius Malfoy in Harry Potter) as.... Captain Lorca of the Uss Discovery. Yep... the Discovery now has a captain...um how long has production been going on now? :ohwell:

http://ew.com/tv/2017/03/07/star-trek-discovery-jason-isaacs/

[CyberCubed]

This isn't going to last more than one season, is it?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

This isn't going to last more than one season, is it?

I'm still not convinced it's actually going to make it that far... :tlol:

It looks like Enterprise is about to move up one slot in the ranks of the general audience's good favor.

[Andrew NDB]

Group shot: http://trekmovie.com/2017/03/21/first-group-photo-of-star-trek-discovery-taken-at-james-frains-birthday-celebration/

Which one is the gay fungus dude?

[TheSkeletonMan939]

I don't think he's in that photo.

[CyberCubed]

I remember before Enterprise came out there were rumors one of the main characters would be gay, I think it was supposed to be the engineer guy, but it never came to pass in the actual series.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I remember before Enterprise came out there were rumors one of the main characters would be gay, I think it was supposed to be the engineer guy, but it never came to pass in the actual series.

I remember that, too.

It's pretty shocking Star Trek hasn't had an LGBT main character yet.

Captain Rupert Traske was awesome in Lost Frontier, though.

[Andrew NDB]

I remember that, too.

It's pretty shocking Star Trek hasn't had an LGBT main character yet.

Maybe they "cured" that in Roddenberry's future. ;)

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Maybe they "cured" that in Roddenberry's future. ;)

Just like poverty and racism! And sexism! Remember "Turnabout Intruder"? Definitely no sexism there, gender-swapped Captain Kirk!

[Spike Spiegel]

I remember that, too.

It's pretty shocking Star Trek hasn't had an LGBT main character yet.

Captain Rupert Traske was awesome in Lost Frontier, though.

I remember seeing an interview with Dominic Keating where he joked about playing Reed on Enterprise as if he were a gay man.

[CyberCubed]

I remember that, too.

It's pretty shocking Star Trek hasn't had an LGBT main character yet.

Captain Rupert Traske was awesome in Lost Frontier, though.

What about when Dax had that lesbian kiss in Deep Space Nine? I remember that being such a big deal when it happened, like it was a huge controversy and talked about on Oprah and all other talk shows at the time.

Now lesbian kissing in movies/tv shows is so common that I don't even think twice about it. It's hard to believe back in the mid/late 90's when Deep Space Nine was airing, lesbian kissing was still a shocking thing on TV.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

What about when Dax had that lesbian kiss in Deep Space Nine? I remember that being such a big deal when it happened, like it was a huge controversy and talked about on Oprah and all other talk shows at the time.

Now lesbian kissing in movies/tv shows is so common that I don't even think twice about it. It's hard to believe back in the mid/late 90's when Deep Space Nine was airing, lesbian kissing was still a shocking thing on TV.

Jadzia Dax spent most of Seasons 4, 5, and 6 being in love with and married to Worf. One lesbian kiss does not a lesbian make.

[CyberCubed]

It was a big deal at the time. They even had to defend it in interviews and news articles. I think this was before the internet too (can't remember what year the episode aired), so I don't recall if the backlash was online or not.

[Raph's Girl]

Rainn Wilson has been cast in ST Discovery as Harry Mudd!! Not only that but it's recurring character status!! WTF is Harry Mudd doing in this show?! :o

http://www.cbr.com/rainn-wilson-star-trek-discovery

[TheSkeletonMan939]

So this is just going to be TFA for Star Trek: meaningless and empty references to the original series in some silly attempt to gain credibility.

[Andrew NDB]

So this is just going to be TFA for Star Trek: meaningless and empty references to the original series in some silly attempt to gain credibility.

Probably. Sort of a pseudo Enterprise Season 4... lots of prequel elements/east eggs to TOS and "fan service" and not a lot of anything else.

[Andrew NDB]

We have an Admiral:
http://ncc-1031.com/wendy-crewson-joins-star-trek-discovery-as-starfleet-admiral/

[Stephen]

https://www.trektoday.com/content/2017/05/star-trek-discovery-is-definitely-a-prequel/

Star Trek: Discovery Supervising Producer Ted Sullivan reassured fans this weekend that the show would not be a reboot or reimagining of the original series.

“It’s a genuine prequel to TOS,” he said via his Twitter account. “Very exciting for a fan like me.”

Sullivan also promised fans more news on the series soon. “Want 2 thank U #StarTrek fans,” he said, also via Twitter. “Been contacted by so many. I know it’s been quiet on @startrekcbs front, but that’ll change soon. #excited.”

[Andrew NDB]

Ugh. We don't want any prequels, you idiots!

Here's the first pictures from the show:
http://www.darkhorizons.com/star-trek-discovery-first-official-photo/

Looks like they wanted to prove that they know how to do greenscreen effects.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

NOTHING about that picture says "Star Trek."

For all a casual knows, it's "Star Wars" or "Furiosa" or any number of generic sci-fi products.

And people ask me if I'm excited for this new series. :trolleye:

[Raph's Girl]

Ugh. We don't want any prequels, you idiots!


It's been said from the start that it takes place 10 years before TOS.

As for that first image. So they're showing us an image of the captain of the Shinzhou but not the Discovery? WTF? It looks more like something from Star Wars.

[plastroncafe]

Maybe I'm no where near as invested as you lot are, but I'd be down with prequel stuff. There's a whole lot of Trek Timeline to play with, so why not?

I just need this show to be better than "Enterprise."

[Andrew NDB]

It's been said from the start that it takes place 10 years before TOS.

Right, but he's acting like it's this big exciting thing.

Maybe I'm no where near as invested as you lot are, but I'd be down with prequel stuff. There's a whole lot of Trek Timeline to play with, so why not?

Because they're been playing with TOS prequels and TOS remakes for the past 16 years... it's well past time for things to go forward.

[Stephen]

it's well past time for things to go forward.

Perhaps they will, if Discovery is successful and there's enough demand for another series.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Maybe I'm no where near as invested as you lot are, but I'd be down with prequel stuff. There's a whole lot of Trek Timeline to play with, so why not?

I just need this show to be better than "Enterprise."

There's a whole lot more Trek timeline to play with in the 25th century. Or 26th, 27th, 28th, 29th, 30th, 31st...

Perhaps they will, if Discovery is successful and there's enough demand for another series.

No, if Discover is successful, they'll do another prequel series. Maybe in between TOS and TNG. Ugh.

Because they're been playing with TOS prequels and TOS remakes for the past 16 years... it's well past time for things to go forward.

Absolutely. 25th century or bust.

[Raph's Girl]

Trailer ahoy!!

Sarek... just... STFU man. Stop being such a meanie!! :/

Those are Klingons?! :o


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http://www.cbs.com/shows/star-trek-discovery/video/LeDfVOm_JkJcYJF9ju2izuFJBnF_qJsG/star-trek-discovery-first-look-trailer/

[Cure]

It looks a lot like the new movies so I'm into it. I just wish it wasn't on a CBS specific streaming service.

[Andrew NDB]

So those things really are Klingons? I thought that was debunked a while ago. Guess it's legit.

Yiiikes.

[Raph's Girl]

I just realized... the main character the series is centered around is... a Vulcan or half Vulcan. Sarek insults her saying she'll never speak proper Vulcan because "Your tongue is too human..."

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I hate it. Those aren't Klingons.

BUT. I do like the uniforms. Quite nice.

But other than that, I hate it. It's absolutely in the same vein of the JJ Abrams movies, which means it offends my very soul. My katra, if you will. :trazz:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Now that I've calmed down, thinking about it, my problems with the JJ Abrams movies are not the visuals or how characters look--it's the lack of Star Trek storytelling and depth of character.

So my kneejerk reaction of "ugh JJTrek visuals" was stupid. :tlol: If the series embraces real Star Trek and not popcorn Trek, I'll embrace it gladly even if it is another prequel series.

Here's hoping.

[Andrew NDB]

Very strange. As much flak as JJ got for so much lens flare in his Star Trek movies... first trailer is like nonstop lensflare.

Like, "See? We can make a show just like the Abrams movie!"

But that's what we're afraid of!

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Anyone catch in the first 30 seconds, how the music sounds like off-kilter Star Wars music? Maybe a coincidence, but maybe intentional.

[Raph's Girl]

Mark your calendars folks!! The series premiers Sept 24th!!

http://ew.com/tv/2017/06/19/star-trek-discovery-premiere-date/

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Mark your calendars folks!! The series premiers Sept 24th!!

http://ew.com/tv/2017/06/19/star-trek-discovery-premiere-date/

At least informing us there'll be a break, and it's length even before the premiere. Not all series do that. ...

[Vegita-San]

http://trekmovie.com/2017/06/22/first-look-at-star-trek-discovery-transporter-room-and-phasers/

how many people are going to tune in just to see how trippy and bad this thing is?

that's not a transporter set.. sigh.

[chrisdude]

The uniform style and set design were always going to change. I think the uniforms look cool, and feel like a reasonable bridge between Enterprise and TOS.

I don't know why they would alter Klingons so drastically, though. I don't like to get bent out of shape over cosmetic details, but the post-Star Trek III Klingon is one of the most iconic and recognizable things in the entire franchise. It's one step below redesigning Vulcans.

[Andrew NDB]

Ugh, they really are going to give the Klingons back the Abrams masks... and worse:

http://io9.gizmodo.com/these-discovery-props-reveal-a-ton-about-star-treks-new-1797102750

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Ugh, they really are going to give the Klingons back the Abrams masks... and worse:

http://io9.gizmodo.com/these-discovery-props-reveal-a-ton-about-star-treks-new-1797102750

Needless and annoying.

[CyberCubed]

I don't get the need to change the Klingon's designs when they looked relatively the same from Next Generation through Deep Space Nine through Voyager and through Enterprise. And that was over the span of what....20+ years or whatever it was?

[Vegita-San]

my guess is they mentioned the 'Prime' universe just to try and troll/lure old fans back, cause the new movies clearly where not doing so.


but it's pretty clear this is it's own mess.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I don't get the need to change the Klingon's designs when they looked relatively the same from Next Generation through Deep Space Nine through Voyager and through Enterprise. And that was over the span of what....20+ years or whatever it was?

They've looked the same since The Motion Picture through the end of Voyager and DS9.

[Andrew NDB]

They've looked the same since The Motion Picture through the end of Voyager and DS9.

This article explains their rationale: http://ew.com/tv/2017/07/17/star-trek-discovery-klingons-photo/

According to Discovery's powers that be, the Klingons have "always been evolving" and have "never been consistent" in Trek.

Bullsh**. Utter and complete bullsh**. There was ONE evolution, and it was between TOS and the first movie. And they even went to the trouble of explaining why that was in ENT.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

This article explains their rationale: http://ew.com/tv/2017/07/17/star-trek-discovery-klingons-photo/

According to Discovery's powers that be, the Klingons have "always been evolving" and have "never been consistent" in Trek.

Bullsh**. Utter and complete bullsh**. There was ONE evolution, and it was between TOS and the first movie. And they even went to the trouble of explaining why that was in ENT.

Absolutely. Absolutely utter BS. This is change for the sake of change.

If you have to change an established look of an entire species just to distinguish yourself from previous shows... doesn't that indicate your overall premise is kinda weak?

Q: Who will be the villains of Discovery?
A: Hmm... we can't use the Romulans because of "Balance of Terror", so... Klingons. People love Klingons.
Q: Klingons have been done to death. What new thing can we do with the Klingons?
A: Too soon for a peace treaty, also too soon for all-out war... um... let's make them LOOK DIFFERENT!

What have the Discovery writers even presented to us? We have a female first officer? Star Trek has had tons of strong female main characters, and Voyager finally gave us a female captain.

Ten years before The Original Series? What exactly is the point to Discovery? What exactly are they going to be DISCOVERING!?

[Andrew NDB]

Ten years before The Original Series? What exactly is the point to Discovery? What exactly are they going to be DISCOVERING!?

The limits of political correctness, maybe.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

The limits of political correctness, maybe.

I could get 20-50 years after Enterprise: the fledgling steps of the newly formed United Federation of Planets.

Or the 25th century: exploring strange new worlds and civilizations, with a Romulan or a Jem'Hadar on the bridge of the Enterprise-G.

But ten years before Kirk? Really? Why?

[newfan]

I'm not really caring about this new series, I liked the new movies though as I liked the original characters.

[Raph's Girl]

So apparantly at comic con they revealed that Lt. Michael Burnam is... Spock's half sister. Amanda's her mom, Sarek is her "surrogate father".... *face palms* So now we're gonna be watching the adventures of Spock's sister... *sighs*

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https://www.newsarama.com/35577-spock-has-a-sister.html

[CyberCubed]

Is it just me or does the captain look a little like Hoshi?

[Andrew NDB]

So apparantly at comic con they revealed that Lt. Michael Burnam is... Spock's half sister. Amanda's her mom, Sarek is her "surrogate father".... *face palms* So now we're gonna be watching the adventures of Spock's sister... *sighs*

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https://www.newsarama.com/35577-spock-has-a-sister.html

In addition to his half brother, Sybok. Who knew Saarek got around like that? Sooo stupid...

[Raph's Girl]

In addition to his half brother, Sybok. Who knew Saarek got around like that? Sooo stupid...

Sybok is Sarek's son with a Vulcan princess, Michael is Amanda's daughter with some guy with the last name of Burnham (I guess). Spock is either the youngest of the 3 or the middle child...

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Is it just me or does the captain look a little like Hoshi?

No, she looks like Michelle Yeoh.

In addition to his half brother, Sybok. Who knew Saarek got around like that? Sooo stupid...

No, it's Amanda's kid. So THAT'S okay.

But it's idiotic that they felt a need to give Spock a half-sister.

[Andrew NDB]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsYu9jsmlHc

God, this looks like it's trying so desperately hard to make people think of the Abrams movies. And the ship phasers are just like the Abrams' phasers... just Star Destroyer turbolasers. I'm sure the handheld ones are the same, too.

[Spike Spiegel]

What is the Discovery supposed to be "discovering," exactly?

It doesn't look like Star Trek at all...

[Andrew NDB]

They announced this exciting tidbit (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/anthony-rapp-star-trek-discovery-gay-romance_us_59741567e4b09e5f6ccfc97b?utm_campaign=h p_fb_pages&utm_source=qv_fb&utm_medium=facebook&ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000050) today, probably to set at ease the minds of Star Trek fans alienated by the recent trailers.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

They announced this exciting tidbit (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/anthony-rapp-star-trek-discovery-gay-romance_us_59741567e4b09e5f6ccfc97b?utm_campaign=h p_fb_pages&utm_source=qv_fb&utm_medium=facebook&ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000050) today, probably to set at ease the minds of Star Trek fans alienated by the recent trailers.

This is the fungus lieutenant, isn't it?

[Andrew NDB]

This is the fungus lieutenant, isn't it?

It would reason to say.

[Spike Spiegel]

Are they supposed to be making some kind of statement by naming the female protagonist "Michael"? Isn't that a typically male name?

[Andrew NDB]

Are they supposed to be making some kind of statement by naming the female protagonist "Michael"? Isn't that a typically male name?

Oh, probably.

[CyberCubed]

“Wilson Cruz will be playing my love interest, my partner ― my man love ― and we’re both officers on the ship,” he said during the panel.

Although the Sulu character in the 2016 movie “Star Trek Beyond” is gay, Rapp’s character is the first openly gay main character on a “Star Trek” TV series.

He said: “And I’m very proud of that. And he’s a scientist!”

I never understood why they have to announce gay relationships in a show in a press release. You don't see them announcing heterosexual relationships in a show in press release.

Especially in a series like Star Trek. This is like the last thing on anyones mind for a new Star Trek show.

[Vegita-San]

can't do anything in hollywood without making a statement these days.

[Andrew NDB]

Ugh. What COULD have been:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/more-details-on-bryan-fullers-trek-plans/

“Fuller sat with CBS executives to deliver his pitch. It wasn’t just for a ‘Trek’ series but for multiple serialized anthology shows that would begin with the ‘Discovery’ prequel, journey through the eras of Captain James T. Kirk and Captain Jean-Luc Picard, and then go beyond to a time in ‘Trek’ that’s never been seen before.”

An anthology series ala "American Horror Story," each season set in different parts of the timeline. F**k! That would have been great!

[Spike Spiegel]

Ugh. What COULD have been:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/more-details-on-bryan-fullers-trek-plans/

“Fuller sat with CBS executives to deliver his pitch. It wasn’t just for a ‘Trek’ series but for multiple serialized anthology shows that would begin with the ‘Discovery’ prequel, journey through the eras of Captain James T. Kirk and Captain Jean-Luc Picard, and then go beyond to a time in ‘Trek’ that’s never been seen before.”

An anthology series ala "American Horror Story," each season set in different parts of the timeline. F**k! That would have been great!

https://68.media.tumblr.com/948f361a82fd1c12fbd7eb5e210b0326/tumblr_inline_n47j0vIgUl1qafrh6.gif

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Ugh. What COULD have been:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/more-details-on-bryan-fullers-trek-plans/

“Fuller sat with CBS executives to deliver his pitch. It wasn’t just for a ‘Trek’ series but for multiple serialized anthology shows that would begin with the ‘Discovery’ prequel, journey through the eras of Captain James T. Kirk and Captain Jean-Luc Picard, and then go beyond to a time in ‘Trek’ that’s never been seen before.”

An anthology series ala "American Horror Story," each season set in different parts of the timeline. F**k! That would have been great!

THAT was a perfect pitch. Not 100% what I wanted, but far closer and much more accessible.

But no, let's do the Abrams Trek sequel / Original Series prequel...

[Vegita-San]

it's pretty clear NO ONE cares about a older property anymore.


it's all about how you can re invent it in the hopes a modern audience will catch on and spend the next 50 years with it. once you hit 40, your opinion on an older property no longer matters to those in charge.

it's pretty clear them saying 'this is in the prime timeline' was just bait to get us interested. and darned if it didn't work. until images started coming out and people realized the bait and switch. then all the problems.

i'd still be amazed if this thing makes it past three episodes.

[Andrew NDB]

And then this fails, CBS/Paramount goes, "Huh. I guess nobody likes Trek on TV anymore. *shrug* The new adventures of Kirk and Spock in about 8 more years, then."

[CyberCubed]

I can't say I blame them though, Voyager and Enterprise got a lot of dislike from fans when they were originally airing, even if it wasn't warranted and they had some good episodes. I think people just got sick of Star Trek around then since it had been airing continuously with 4 series in a row.

So now everything is nostalgia based. They're probably too scared to do something new.

[Vegita-San]

yep. same old story. never an execs fault. and it's pretty clear moonves doesn't know a thing about star trek....

one reason why i've about given up on modern hollywood. i only check out a few movies a year now, and buy even less blue-rays unless it's a movie I REALLY like. if i want to see something again that I was so so on, i'll rent it on Amazon...

def saves up on clutter space.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

And then this fails, CBS/Paramount goes, "Huh. I guess nobody likes Trek on TV anymore. *shrug* The new adventures of Kirk and Spock in about 8 more years, then."

Nah, next time they'll reboot Picard and Data. Bet ya.

[Andrew NDB]

I can't say I blame them though, Voyager and Enterprise got a lot of dislike from fans when they were originally airing, even if it wasn't warranted and they had some good episodes. I think people just got sick of Star Trek around then since it had been airing continuously with 4 series in a row.

None of that is supported in the ratings, though. Even the end of Enterprise was strong. That's a popular misconception... it was just too expensive, vs. your average cheap UPN sitcom of the time.

[newfan]

There was too much Star Trek all at once, I remember thinking that at the time. I think that was why I never watched a couple of them much, the intro song put me off enterprise! however, years later I did watch enterprise and did get into it... but would still forward the intro.

[Andrew NDB]

There was too much Star Trek all at once, I remember thinking that at the time. I think that was why I never watched a couple of them much, the intro song put me off enterprise! however, years later I did watch enterprise and did get into it... but would still forward the intro.

I hated the ENT intro song for about 4 episodes... then I rather loved it. I dislike how they screwed it up in season 4.

[newfan]

I hated the ENT intro song for about 4 episodes... then I rather loved it. I dislike how they screwed it up in season 4.

Oh, I think due to forwarding I didn't notice they changed it much.

[Andrew NDB]

http://comicbook.com/startrek/2017/08/02/which-timeline-is-star-trek-discovery-in/

The timeline is... confirmed again? Dumb article. We knew this like 2 years ago.

Also:

http://www.slashfilm.com/bryan-fuller-redesigned-the-star-trek-discovery-klingons/

"The other Bryan Fuller contribution that remains is his redesign of the Klingons. “One of the things he really, really wanted to do was shake up the design of the Klingons,” Herberts said. “One of the first things that he ever pitched to us when we were deciding whether or not to come on the show was his aesthetic for the Klingons and how important it was that they be aesthete, that they not be the thugs of the universe, that they be sexy and vital and different from what had come before.”"

So why use them at all?

[Vegita-San]

i'm confused.

wasn't bryan fuller the die hard trek fan who got replaced? or was that someone else? Why would he want to radically redesign the klingons? doesn't seem like something a die hard fan would do, unless they are trying to throw him under the bus..

[Vegita-San]

why does this sound so terrible?

why does the female lead have a guys name?

wh..wh...wh...oh i can't bother to care anymore..

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[Vegita-San]

http://epicstream.com/news/New-Star-Trek-Discovery-Captain-Says-He-Doesnt-Care-About-Die-Hard-Trek-Fans


arrogant idiot helps sinks show even further. This thing is so unlike star trek, you better hope fans will bother to tune into the pilot at all.

[Andrew NDB]

http://epicstream.com/news/New-Star-Trek-Discovery-Captain-Says-He-Doesnt-Care-About-Die-Hard-Trek-Fans


arrogant idiot helps sinks show even further. This thing is so unlike star trek, you better hope fans will bother to tune into the pilot at all.

“I don't mean to sound irreverent when I say I don't care about the die-hard Trek fans,” he told NYDailyNews at an event in Los Angeles. “I only ‘don't care’ about them in the sense that I know they’re all going to watch anyway. I look forward to having the fun of them being outraged, so they can sit up all night and talk about it with each other.” - Jason Isaacs

You muther****er...

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

“I don't mean to sound irreverent when I say I don't care about the die-hard Trek fans,” he told NYDailyNews at an event in Los Angeles. “I only ‘don't care’ about them in the sense that I know they’re all going to watch anyway. I look forward to having the fun of them being outraged, so they can sit up all night and talk about it with each other.” - Jason Isaacs

You muther****er...

It's what everybody says.

And to a certain extent, they're all right. I'm going to check out the first episode or few, but once I have enough firsthand information to understand what they're doing with Discovery, I may or may not stick with it.

Whereas I will never, ever watch another Star Trek movie in the JJ continuity. 2009 was frustrating, Darkness was infuriating, and I never bothered to watch Beyond. Just glad I never paid for tickets. (And no, I didn't pirate... free DVD rentals.)

[chrisdude]

Bah. He's just an actor. He's not going to deliver his lines in a way that betrays Star Trek. Lots of actors in these situations don't even watch the franchises they join.

[Vegita-San]

arrogant unknown ass acts like an ass even further.

How does this help? other than flame the flaming Yes fans who'll like just about anything so long as a star trek label is slapped on it?

https://twitter.com/jasonsfolly/status/897683630025211904

[TheSkeletonMan939]

You can't go wrong with the iconic Star Trek main theme, right? Rigghht?

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Oh no...

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Sounds fine to me.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

For me, it's not something that I'd look forward to hearing every single episode.

[Andrew NDB]

lol... CBS has officially banned all reviews of Discovery. I'm sure it's because they want us to be surprised by how great it is.

http://tvweb.com/star-trek-discovery-premiere-reviews-embargoed-cbs/

[Vegita-San]

turd on arrival.

Watching orville, I like the sense of fun it brings and so far the first 17 minutes are good. especially the squishy goo alien bit.

It's odd that I want it rather than discovery to be so much under the star trek banner.

and i find it funny that they made sure to set it in the 24th century, a hundred or so years after picard, so not prequel era :).

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

For me, it's not something that I'd look forward to hearing every single episode.

Except for the Marvel Netflix shows, there is not a single show for adults that I look forward to the music every episode. So it doesn't bother me. It sounds appropriately Trek.

[Vegita-San]

star trek discovery going into full plant mood by building up SJW angle. 'women of color' and 'women in command' stuff starting to appear in articles around the net.

like this is the first time it's ever been done. I guess they forgot about the african captain in Star Trek 4, or the lady in TNGs 1st season. or Sisko, or Janeway..or..

I guess when your series is in trouble, you have to create controversy around it and hope people latch onto it enough to support it.

I'll be tuning into the pilot, because it's free...but only to see how bad it is....I expect birdemic levels..

[Andrew NDB]

star trek discovery going into full plant mood by building up SJW angle. 'women of color' and 'women in command' stuff starting to appear in articles around the net.

Oh, I've been expecting that.

like this is the first time it's ever been done. I guess they forgot about the african captain in Star Trek 4, or the lady in TNGs 1st season.

The captain of the Enterprise-C, of course.

I guess when your series is in trouble, you have to create controversy around it and hope people latch onto it enough to support it.

That worked out well for Cuckbusters.

I'll be tuning into the pilot, because it's free...but only to see how bad it is....I expect birdemic levels..

The general vibe from TPTB is totally, "Well, we get that Star Trek fans say they hate this or that, but you know what? They're all going to watch it anyway because it's Star Trek, and sign up for our CBS on demand network so they can see it. We'll bet the farm on it."

What they're forgetting is... do you know what most Star Trek fans are? Generally speaking, fairly intelligent people. Do you know what fairly intelligent people know how to use, generally? Pirate Bay.

F*** these guys. I really hate that I'm dreading a new Star Trek show.

[CyberCubed]

star trek discovery going into full plant mood by building up SJW angle. 'women of color' and 'women in command' stuff starting to appear in articles around the net. .

It's odd for you to say that, when all of Star Trek has been about racial and ethnic diversity from day 1.

We had Uhura a black woman as the only lead female in Star Trek. We had multiple women in Next Generation including Gaian. We had Dax, essentially a transgender with a male symbiote in her stomach. We had a female captain with Janeway in Voyager. We had Hoshi an Asian woman in Enterprise.

When has Star Trek never promoted female characters of all ethnic values and in high positions?

[Andrew NDB]

It's odd for you to say that, when all of Star Trek has been about racial and ethnic diversity from day 1.

We had Uhura a black woman as the only lead female in Star Trek. We had multiple women in Next Generation including Gaian. We had Dax, essentially a transgender with a male symbiote in her stomach. We had a female captain with Janeway in Voyager. We had Hoshi an Asian woman in Enterprise.

When has Star Trek never promoted female characters of all ethnic values and in high positions?

I think the point is that yes, we're all aware Star Trek has been about that from the beginning... but the TPTB of Discovery are acting like they're pioneers and if you aren't supporting the show, you're anti-whatever.

[Vegita-San]

What they're forgetting is... do you know what most Star Trek fans are? Generally speaking, fairly intelligent people. Do you know what fairly intelligent people know how to use, generally? Pirate Bay.

F*** these guys. I really hate that I'm dreading a new Star Trek show.

or, just wait until it shows up on youtube for a day or so until paramount finds it.

if the show is good, and was on amazon or netflix, the two staples people seem willing to stick with, no problem. these networks are getting greedy with all these stupid streaming services. and unless ALL your shows are worth getting, people will not sign up for one series alone. one reason why i won't sign up for nerdist to see talking toons. I want to support talking toons. not nerdist enterprises.

and agreed on hating a new star trek show. the sad part is, the idiots in charge just don't get what makes classic shows work. they want to change it and put their stamp on it so they can pat themselves on the back for 'originality' if it works. yet is so often doesn't.

a shame orvile is on fox. fox doesn't let it's shows last long..

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm not hating this preemptively. I'm just not really that excited either; I'll check it out on DVD or IF I hear enough good things from my Trekkie friends with good taste.

But I am not purchasing another subscription service, at all, for this.

Given that Kristen Beyer is heavily involved in this, and that she has written better Voyager novels than anyone else (seriously, some good stuff), and that David Mack is writing the first novel...

I'm cautious. We'll see.

[ZariusTwo]

So the Discovery opening titles are out

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And I s*it you not, as a laugh, I edited it with the Westworld theme and it syncs up pretty well


https://vimeo.com/235247601

[Vegita-San]

wow, is that winning the award for weirdest intro ever?

They could have just started it out with the blueprints of the ship, building up into the real ship and then launching it out to various planets we'll see in the series..

instead it's all rather just 'cool images flashing to remind people it's star trek'...and all that stops when the main real theme plays...

ugh.

[Autbot_Benz]

Watch The Orville its better Star Trek than this show will turn out to be

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

So the Discovery opening titles are out

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And I s*it you not, as a laugh, I edited it with the Westworld theme and it syncs up pretty well


https://vimeo.com/235247601

I dig it. The Star Trek openings were always slow and boring... Voyager's was actually pretty decent.

And Enterprise was TERRIBLE. Hated that frakking song.

So yeah, I dig it.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

It's pretty good. I wish they hadn't used stuff like the phaser and the communicator because that's not what Star Trek is really about. Unfortunately the main title's power is held back by that lifeless music.

[Andrew NDB]

And Enterprise was TERRIBLE. Hated that frakking song.

What they changed it to in season 3 and 4, the "Easy listening" version, definitely sucked. The original grew on me a lot after a few episodes.

For you, both versions:

Original:

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Season 3 & 4 one:

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[Vegita-San]

the original grew on me. i hated the hip hop enterprise theme.

So far, I'm not hating the Federation angle of this series just yet.

But it does NOT work as a prequel....the design and tech is way too off from what we know and the uniforms suck.

The Klingons also suck. why does that lead klingon seem like he has so much tough time talking? he barely gets the words out.

klingons would not bother with a funeral ship. that is just stupid and totally changing their culture for no reason.

I do hope no one signs up for this streaming service.....pretty shameful that they tease people with only one episode.

[Andrew NDB]

I gotta stop looking at the tags around here. I just did a search for "star trek discuckery s03e01"

[Vegita-San]

How on Earth did the federation ship see footprints in the sand, if they couldn't find the far bigger two humans making the footprints?


They changed the Klingons so much, they might as well be something else.

Throwing in all the classic sound effects as the only thing really connected to the classic universe. and saying number one an AWFUL lot... 'memba picard did that?'

No one seems it strange that a woman is called michael? must be perfectly normal in the future. i wonder if it'll be a stupid plot point or just go un explained?

best comment i've seen so far... 'they weaponized JJ's lens flare?'

I switched over to football at that point. will check out the rest later tomorrow...

are we just so jaded these days at reboots we are looking for things to complain about, or did it really seem that bad and lack luster and un trek?

[ZariusTwo]

This did feel like somebody watched the Star Trekkin music video and wrote a whole play about it.

"We come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill, we come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill men"

[Andrew NDB]

Saw the first episode of "Discovery." Not terrible. Random rambling thoughts, good and bad... mostly bad ones:

* Definitely a JJ Abrams vibe going on. Tons of diagonally framed shots, lens flare, and it's true... even a weaponized lens flare at one point! These guys are in on the joke, right? They have to be.

* Everything looks great. The aesthetic is kind of an even more techy Star Trek: Enterprise. By this point in the timeline, though, the pendulum should be swinging a lot closer to the way the uniforms were in "The Cage," since, well, we see them in that and this is within a couple of years of it.

* They remark they've "never seen a cloaking device like this." What? They've seen plenty of cloaking devices in Enterprise, and then there was the whole Romulan War right after that show. What, no cloaking devices in that? If they're going off of the comment in "Balance of Terror," where they're surprised to see a cloaking device... well, that makes this even weirder, because this is just a few years before that. And aren't the Klingons supposed to have stolen this tech from the Romulans later in the timeline?

* I like that they call the phasers "phase cannons" and not FAKE "phasers" in this. If they're dead set on them being like Star Wars blasters they should at least call them such.

* I don't like the Sarek actor at all in this. He looks like James Franco in makeup and too young. The Sarek actor from the Abrams movie wasn't great but would have been way better than this guy.

* The Spock connection is as much shoehorned in as it's laughable and unnecessary. The committee is like, so afraid that anything Trek without a strong connection to Kirk, Spock, and the Enterprise is going to fail. Lame. I can imagine in future episodes we'll get lame flashbacks to Michael arguing with Spock as children, or something, or a Quinto cameo at some point.

* They've told us this is set in the "real" timeline, but it's set in such a way that it doesn't really even matter. It's set after the USS Kelvin was destroyed by Nero's Narada, but he wouldn't have destroyed Vulcan just yet... so what's the difference? I think it's positioned this way juuuust in case they want to do a U-turn and say, "Just kidding, this is the Abramsverse." Because it sure looks like the Abramsverse. At the very least, it's to make Abramsverse fans feel at home.

* Nothing I see in this show makes a concerted argument as to why we needed another prequel or why this needed to be a prequel. At all. The visual aesthetic, the uniforms, the tech... they could have easily just set this -- as an example -- in the 2500s, and just say the Klingon Empire has become increasingly xenophobic and no one's seen a Klingon ship in 90 years. Exactly the same kind of story could be told. They could even explain the difference in appearance as the Klingons going "back to their roots" or experimenting on themselves or something during this time.

* About the Klingons. Why? On a bullet pointed list of things that might be considered possibly "uncool" about Star Trek in need of "fixing" or "updating"... why in the hell would Klingons be on that list? They're like the one thing in all of Star Trek that IS intrinsically cool. They're the no-bullsh** warriors, living like futuristic, sometimes barbaric samurais with a code of honor. I've never met anyone that's ever looked at the Klingons and been like, "They look so lame." And this goes back to the Abrams movies, where his big idea was to give them Predator masks to cover up their faces because they're apparently so embarrassed by them. Why? Why even use them at all? To be fair, the show does leave itself a way out. These Klingons could just be this particular clan of Klingons, and there may be others out there that look like the ones we know. Alternately, this could be the "middle of the road" effect of that Enterprise head-bump plague slowly wearing off... but I doubt it. And really, let's "update" the bat'leths? People were actually worried about making "cooler" bat'leths? Everything with the Klingons is so overdesigned here it's bonkers.

* The expedition in the spacesuit was neat. The impassioned plea to the Captain to "strike first" seemed sound.

* Interesting that we don't actually see the Discovery yet. It's not even mentioned. I'm assuming the Shenzhou will be destroyed at some point, Isaacs will die on the Discovery, Michael will take over as captain on the Discovery, and the Discovery and/or the Shenzhou will do some big ballsy thing to impress the Klingons and make peace again.

We'll see if episode 2 is any better. From what I hear it's worse, though.

[Andrew NDB]

Also, not surprising at all:

http://www.indiewire.com/2017/09/star-trek-discovery-pilot-pirated-download-1201879908/

[Vegita-San]

apparently i had only one or two act breaks to go after changing channels.

The dude Playing sarek is horrible....along with his costume. looked rather cheap even through the hologram.

Don't they train starfleet officers better than to mutiny at the first sign of disagreement? This is the lady we are supposed to be rooting for, and somehow gets her own command later on? the only reason WE know she is right is because of past shows. but she really is just guessing for the most part.

The actress playing the captain is also horrible. either she can't act, or was so bored by the time she got to the bridge scenes that she stopped trying. it's like she had trouble getting words out too....just like the lead klingon who sounded like a mouth full of marbles...

and as pointed out elsewhere, except for the stupid beam of light, it's pretty much borrowed a plot line from every major trek series and movie since. right down to spock kicking kirk off the ship in the first reboot....(captain points phaser at mutineer)....

sigh. i'd be curious how much worse it can get, just from a sad train wreck perspective, but i ain't paying.

I'd like to see REAL numbers on how many people signed up for all access based on that. Social Justice Warriors in the past have proven to stop caring the moment something comes to screen and move on to the next thing. they rarely stay around and support what they are so angry about.

[Vegita-San]

CBS 'all access' has commercials?

what the heck?

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[Andrew NDB]

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[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Finally saw the first two episodes...

The good?

Saru; I want more from this tall lanky prey alien. Captain Georgiana (aka Michelle Yeoh); RIP, she was great.. would've loved a whole series with her.
The visuals are very, very slick.

The bad?

Michael Burnham... well, the actress is quite good, but the character is unlikeable. I feel sorry for her, but I don't like her. She's a massive screw-up. But I like (and hope) that the season is going to be a redemptive arc for her... she's got a loooooooong way to go.

The war crime of bombing the dead soldier. Eh. Idealogically, it is quite simply a war crime. But it was an understandable choice given the grievous situation. Remember, Captain Benjamin Sisko murdered a Romulan senator to win the Dominion War, one of my favorite moments and episodes and characters!

The Klingons. Everything about them is poorly done. They didn't need reinventing, we didn't need so many subtitles, the costumes are silly, the ship designs are fugly... I can't think of a single thing about the Klingons I liked.

The story so far feels very overwhelming, in terms of scope and pace.

[plastroncafe]

I managed to catch the first couple of episodes over the weekend.
I was...not blown away.

I found the Klingons new build to be far too bulky to be legit threatening, but unlike Cylons...I kind of dug the subtitles.

Their story arc is that of resisting a colonial force, so I think it's fitting that they use their language in their scenes.

I don't know what to make of Michael yet, though I'm curious how they're going to continue her process working through her PTSD.

If I had an easy way to continue watching it, I'd be more than happy to do so, but I wasn't blown away by it enough to purchase the whole channel streaming.
(Which reminds me, I need to rewatch American Gods so I can cancel my Stars subscription.)

The space show that I have been getting a rather sizable kick out of recently is The Orville.

Which is kind of surprising to me.

[Andrew NDB]

I found the Klingons new build to be far too bulky to be legit threatening, but unlike Cylons...I kind of dug the subtitles.

Yeah, I didn't mind that at all. I wouldn't mind it if we saw the Klingons always talking in Klingon every time it's just them in a room always in Star Trek, actually.

The Discovery is definitely a Section 31 ship. The NCC-1031 isn't very subtle at all, either.

[Vegita-San]

a section 31 ship might actually make all this mistaken character issues interesting.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Yeah, I didn't mind that at all. I wouldn't mind it if we saw the Klingons always talking in Klingon every time it's just them in a room always in Star Trek, actually.

The Discovery is definitely a Section 31 ship. The NCC-1031 isn't very subtle at all, either.

Yep. Absolutely.

[Andrew NDB]

a section 31 ship might actually make all this mistaken character issues interesting.

Fairly predictable though. The Edgy Star Trek show revolving around the Edgy Starfleet Black Ops division. Even JJ used them in "Into Darkness" because Edgy Trek.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Fairly predictable though. The Edgy Star Trek show revolving around the Edgy Starfleet Black Ops division. Even JJ used them in "Into Darkness" because Edgy Trek.

Section 31 has never been less cool than when JJ Abrams used them. Ugh.

A giant f'ing starship is NOT the Section 31 way. A "science vessel" is much more befitting...

Actually, thinking about it, Section 31 was preparing for war with the Klingons in "Into Darkness" and now we've got "Discovery"... is it just me, or am I smelling recycled movie plots that were (inexplicably) replaced in favor of "Beyond?"

[Andrew NDB]

A giant f'ing starship is NOT the Section 31 way.

That they had... Khan design for them?

God those movies are sooo stupid.

Actually, thinking about it, Section 31 was preparing for war with the Klingons in "Into Darkness" and now we've got "Discovery"... is it just me, or am I smelling recycled movie plots that were (inexplicably) replaced in favor of "Beyond?"

Probably right. JJ was definitely gearing up for "the big Klingons movie" after "Into Darkness."

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

That they had... Khan design for them?

God those movies are sooo stupid.

Probably right. JJ was definitely gearing up for "the big Klingons movie" after "Into Darkness."

Wait, White Khan created the USS Vengeance? I must've missed that gem of idiocy inbetween "John Harrison" and "magic blood."

I'm sad we didn't get JJ Abram's Star Trek III... mainly because I was dying to make fun of his remix of "The Undiscovered Country." :tlol:

[Andrew NDB]

Wait, White Khan created the USS Vengeance? I must've missed that gem of idiocy inbetween "John Harrison" and "magic blood."

It's totally there, that's like the main reason given for why they woke Khan up. So that he could design the USS Vengeance and "other weapons" for Starfleet.

And Khan, what an assh***. In the "Prime" timeline all he had to do was give his wife some of his magic blood on Ceti Alpha V and she'd still be alive. Who knew?

[CyberCubed]

The actress playing the captain is also horrible. either she can't act, or was so bored by the time she got to the bridge scenes that she stopped trying. it's like she had trouble getting words out too....just like the lead klingon who sounded like a mouth full of marbles....

Did you just say Michelle Yeoh can't act? LOL, she's one of the most talented Asian actress of our time. Go watch her in the third Jackie Chan police story movie, "Supercop" and tell me she can't act. Back in her heydey when she was young she was also an excellent martial artist and stunt person, basically a female Jackie.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

The actress playing the captain is also horrible. either she can't act, or was so bored by the time she got to the bridge scenes that she stopped trying. it's like she had trouble getting words out too....just like the lead klingon who sounded like a mouth full of marbles...

I'd like to see REAL numbers on how many people signed up for all access based on that. Social Justice Warriors in the past have proven to stop caring the moment something comes to screen and move on to the next thing. they rarely stay around and support what they are so angry about.

Dude, you're out of your mind. :tsmile: Michelle Yeoh is great. I mean, the acting so far hasn't been bad... even the lady doing Michael Burnham is doing fine, it's just that the character is written to be unlikeable.

It's totally there, that's like the main reason given for why they woke Khan up. So that he could design the USS Vengeance and "other weapons" for Starfleet.

And Khan, what an assh***. In the "Prime" timeline all he had to do was give his wife some of his magic blood on Ceti Alpha V and she'd still be alive. Who knew?

Great, so instead of being an out-of-time superior human and genocidal global dictator, Khan was a technical genius? That's idiotic.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Thinking it over, I'm tentatively on board for Discovery, though it might not hold up very well against all the other shows (at least it's better than the JJ Abrams movies). I'll give them this whole season at least, because the redemption story arc could be quite good.

I can stomach terrible Klingon designs for a season... IF the story turns out good.

But I'm not paying for CBS All Access. Not gonna happen. Make it available on Netflix US, instead of every other Netflix option EXCEPT the US...

[plastroncafe]

But I'm not paying for CBS All Access. Not gonna happen. Make it available on Netflix US, instead of every other Netflix option EXCEPT the US...

Yeah, exactly.
This is just not going to happen.
And I have to admit, I feel bad for the production that TPTB aren't giving me enough incentive to watch their show in a timely fashion.

[Andrew NDB]

Is it worth mentioning that the latest episode had Warp-capable shuttles? And replicators?

And I'm a little bit confused on the things/microbes/whatever penetrating the hull of the shuttle so bad that the shuttle pilot had to go EVA outside... first of all, if it's IN Warp, there is a Warp field AROUND the shuttle that acts as a barrier.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/mIDEOmSN26E/maxresdefault.jpg

Second... wouldn't the shuttle have shields up? How are those things getting in? And it can't be that "it wouldn't work on them," because we see them being held IN when Michael is inside the security field later in the episode.

Another thing... everyone hated that in Star Trek 2009 and Into Darkness, in addition to magic blood that can bring back the dead, JJ put transporter technology that can transport people anywhere in the universe. Right? Now guess what the Discovery's mission is: transporter technology that can transport people anywhere in the universe.

[Jester]

Not sure what I think of Discovery. Not very ensemble compared to other Treks. Really digging the Orville though.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Watched Episode 3 tonight. I think I'm fully on board with Discovery now.

A Section 31 conspiracy and a redemptive character arc? I like both these things. :tlol:

[Andrew NDB]

I really hope this season represents the entire series and then they can come back to the table with a real Trek show. We can then compartmentalize "Discovery" as a take-it-or-leave-it one-off "edgy/black ops mini that was probably in the Abramsverse anyway."

[Spike Spiegel]

After four episodes (so far) of The Orville, I'm hooked. With this, however, I just can't bring myself to subscribe to All Access...it's not like I'd watch any other CBS programming, and I already own the Trek shows I like on Blu-ray.