Do you want Irma back?

[Pollyparrot]

Probably going to annoy people, but I'm on my way out of this place anyways.

[Papenbrook]

I plead the fifth.

[Pollyparrot]

I plead the fifth.

Okay. Well, I think turning her into Kraang was a bad move.

And with that, I'm gone.

*walks out the front door*

[Candy Kappa]

We already have threads about this topic, Goku. If you're gonna hang here despite your "goodbye" spiel, at least don't be a complete waste of space and learn the search function before a mod bans you for the 20th.

[ssjup81]

Yes and no. If things were normal for April, then yeah, I wouldn't mind it. No, because there really isn't any point to.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Yes, we need more ordinary humans from Earth in the series.

[drgon78]

Yes, I would like to see the real Irma.

[Klunk1234]

A human Irma would be fine. As a Kraang, she is better gone.

[matteso586]

I actually don't know how to answer that. A future episode might address that controversy. Besides, she could be Nobody, if the rumors are true.

[Autbot_Benz]

no **** Irma she is a krang robot nothing more move on with your lives.

[Candy Kappa]

It would have been interesting to see more off KSP trying to live as a human.

[Ursalink]

You know? If there's no hope for a human Irma, maybe we could get an Utrom Irma. I mean, the Kraangs all use the same human-bot, and they have several Irma-bots. So, how about another Utrom ally who use the disguise of an Irma-bot? Maybe Mortu or someone else?

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Or better yet, the "real" Irma could show up- and meet Kraang Sub-Prime. That could be a fun episode. And the Turtles wouldn't know which was the real one. Hilarity ensues.

[IndigoErth]

Eh... neutral. Don't really care that much now, esp since it has gone off in some other direction now and without her for this long, but... if they ever decided to throw in another twist and the Turtles find her taken hostage somewhere all this time, I'd still welcome it.

[Shark_Blade]

I lost hope already.

[Ceres]

Her being an Utrom/Kraang was the best what could have happened to this character honestly xD.

[ABrown]

I think it could make for a really cool story line if Irma turned out to be a real live girl. And she's the girl that the Kraang based the fake one off of.

[ssjup81]

Her being an Utrom/Kraang was the best what could have happened to this character honestly xD.She could've been replaced shortly after the second Rat King ep and being held in cativity with the real Mrs. O'Neal someplace? Could've gone that route. Besides, the Irmabot has to be based on someone, right?

[Candy Kappa]

Nah, Irma is KSP's humansona.

[ToTheNines]

Hate to contribute to a super goku thread, and I know the Irma fans get a lot of hate...

But I vote yes. Only because I love Kate Micucci so much.

[Nasubionna]

Yes, I always hated what they did to her, and want April to have a normal human female friend. I miss the days when April was at least living SOMEWHAT of a normal life, going to school, etc.

[Shiro Kame]

The Kraang thing upset me a lot. The only reason she was put in the first place was to appease the OT fans, but ended up pissing those fans off with the twist. While it did shock everyone's cores, it also felt like a cop-out. Honestly, this show needs more female and human main characters that aren't mutants and aren't love interests. Because, honestly, it's starting to get stale fast.

[Metalwolf]

I voted yes, but only as somebody no longer alive, who Kraang Subprime copied the look off of.

It would be cool if the Turtles traveled back in time to 1920s New York and saw the real Irma, who actually ends up being one of Casey's ancestors.

[Ninturtle]

I voted yes, but only as somebody no longer alive, who Kraang Subprime copied the look off of.

It would be cool if the Turtles traveled back in time to 1920s New York and saw the real Irma, who actually ends up being one of Casey's ancestors.

Why would the Kraang have a Robot based on some obscure person from the 1920's?

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

She could've been replaced shortly after the second Rat King ep and being held in cativity with the real Mrs. O'Neal someplace? Could've gone that route. Besides, the Irmabot has to be based on someone, right?

A Kraang could have broken the cage easy.

[ssjup81]

A Kraang could have broken the cage easy.Of course a Kraang could, not a human girl.

[Allio]

I couldn't care less.

[Powder]

It would be cool if the Turtles traveled back in time to 1920s New York and saw the real Irma, who actually ends up being one of Casey's ancestors.

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[Leo656]

^^^The face he made when the first accusations came out. :lol:

[LeotheLateBloomer]

^^^Ditto!:tlol:

This is the last time I am going to say this.....

LET IT GO! It's official that Irma is not coming back! She was a Kraang disguised as a teenager. She's never going to come back. Why is it so hard for you people to process this through your heads?! If you want her so badly then go watch the ****ing OT, for God's sake! Jesus, nostalgia blinds you people.

[shuriken]

Considering there was never a human Irma on the show to begin the question is a lie.
I liked the fact that April got a human friend other than Casey. And yes Kate Micucci is adorable, but I don't see it happening without feeling contrived and tacked on so no. Sorry Irma, I was a fan of your design, character arc and all, but she was just a KRAANG in disguise and it'd be stupid to bring in a "real" Irma at this point. Just like it was kinda stupid to bring a "real" Shredder in the 2K3 cartoon. That season wasn't really needed and added very little. Just like a real Irma would.

As for Metawolf's "the Turtles traveled back in time to 1920s New York and saw the real Irma, who actually ends up being one of Casey's ancestors" bit. well...
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[cryan]

I always think that Irma is being hold by the Kraang in status somewhere. Maybe Dimension X.

[Autbot_Benz]

You Irma hopefuls are a sad lot GET OVER IT. IRMA Is just a ROBOT and she isn't coming back.

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[srmff]

You Irma hopefuls are a sad lot GET OVER IT. IRMA Is just a ROBOT and she isn't coming back.

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Love the gif :lol:. I'm the same. People should just move on at this point. She's a robot, that's not gonna change so there's no point dwelling on it. It's time to accept it. It's been over a year.

[plastroncafe]

Um...no.
I'm going to continue to hope for things I enjoy about the show to return to the show, regardless of how lost a cause it is.

Like a Bebop that isn't insufferable, or good nuanced writing.

[CyberCubed]

What's wrong with Bebop?

[Leo656]

Um...no.
I'm going to continue to hope for things I enjoy about the show to return to the show, regardless of how lost a cause it is.

Like a Bebop that isn't insufferable, or good nuanced writing.

How can a show "return" to things that it never even had to begin with? :trazz:

[plastroncafe]

I dunno, I thought the first season was really well made.
Funny and irreverent when the situation called for it, serious with decent stakes other times.

Even with its flaws, because nothing is perfect, I'm still proud to have season one on my dvd shelf.

[Leo656]

They were pushing Don/April down my throat from Episode I. This show was NEVER very good. It's good at presenting itself to its audience and giving them enough to satisfy. But that's entirely different from "Good". This fanbase will swallow *almost* anything as long as the characters' names are spelled right.

It has its moments, but for me, there's a lot more bad than good.

[plastroncafe]

Mileage varies.

[DarkLightDragon]

It really boils down to missed/untapped potential that kills it for me. So much talented and experienced people are working on this show yet it's like every time they do something good with a character or story they're telling with a character, it someway, somehow, fumbles and drops the ball only for it to snowball into something less desirable. And I hate that the fact that I have to be this disappointed with something I was invested in since Day 1. It's remarkable how this show has become a love-hate relationship for me simply because of that.

And yes, this post should more belong in the Whining/Criticism thread, but I was just agreeing what Leo656 was saying and his issues with it as well.

[shuriken]

I dunno, I like what I've seen. It's not great but I like it, not because the characters' names are spelled right, but I genuinely enjoy the execution. Now granted I haven't seen season 4 and half of 3, but I doubt there's that big of a dip in quality.
Also love hove it's 50/50 on the votes. I never knew Irma was such a polarizing figure.

[Speedy Cerviche]

I hate OT Irma. I hated the Nick Irma. I just don't care for any of the channel six news team in general.

[Splinter the boss]

I don't know why people are so disappointed in this show for, I know it is not perfect and that there are sometimes some annoying things. But, personally, I think that they have been doing a good job on it. It got some good fighting scenes, some good lines, Raphael cracks me up all the time, visual quality of the show had gotten better since the beginning of season 3. Though, they have not elaborated on Tiger Claw's background YET, one can't say he hasn't been entertaining. Now, we get to see bunch of aliens like the Triceratons, and the Salamandarians, not to mention time travel. I think there is more positives than negatives.

[DarkLightDragon]

I wish I had dime every time I heard that "I don't know why people don't like what I like anymore."

1. Personal preferences and varying opinions

2. There's practically a thread that says 'Official Whining/Criticism' which people have posted time and again what their issues with the show has been for the last 2 seasons.

Plus, I already made it my point as to why the show has become a love-hate relationship for me, so to have someone come and ask why I don't like just makes them look like dumbasses who don't bother catching up. And I'm not somebody who likes being redundant and have to repeat myself.

[Metalwolf]

^^^:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: ^^^



I like much of the the Nick-verse, but there have been too much bad ideas lately for me to get beyond 'liking' back into actual 'watching.' What I'm actually waiting for now is the episodes that show the actual demise of the Foot Clan and Shredder. I'm bored of the Karai snake mutation crap, I wanted to know more about Tigerclaw but they ain't biting, and they keep adding mutants to Shredder's roster without either killing/demuting the previous ones.

They could re-add/not re-add Irma, but at this point it's not going to make a difference. they wouldn't even have a place to put her, and if she turned out to have been human, they will just end up mutating her anyway. It just seems to be the way things go in this show now.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

^^^:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: ^^^

I'm bored of the Karai snake mutation crap.

Makes me think of? Was Karai human 6 months before the Earth was destroyed? Maybe the season 4 plot can undo her mutation (or some else mutant) if the turtles save the Earth.

[Kingoji]

Pretty sure it said somewhere they were in Northampton for four months, so I think it would be pushing it at least.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Pretty sure it said somewhere they were in Northampton for four months, so I think it would be pushing it at least.

OK, so the defeat of the second Kraang invasion will also be undone?

[thundermaster612]

I think it could make for a really cool story line if Irma turned out to be a real live girl. And she's the girl that the Kraang based the fake one off of.
It could be that the was a real Irma that was friends with April but then she was captured by the Kraang and they made suits based off of her so they could find out where the turtles live, but I do like the plot twist, its unique and different compared to other shows always having the same thing.

[gibbs615]

I STILL can't believe how it turned out! It should have been like how it was in the old 80's TMNT cartoon series when Irma was a human and another friend to the turtles like April was! They NEED to bring her back as a real person!

[Ninturtle]

Please, just let this thread die.

[plastroncafe]

Says the guy who responded to it, thus insuring it would go to the top of the thread list.

Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

[Ninturtle]

Says the guy who responded to it, thus insuring it would go to the top of the thread list.

Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

it was already on the top of the thread list, that's why I replied to it.

[srmff]

I STILL can't believe how it turned out! It should have been like how it was in the old 80's TMNT cartoon series when Irma was a human and another friend to the turtles like April was! They NEED to bring her back as a real person!

Sorry but it's not the 80's cartoon. The 80's show is always there if you want Irma.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

This will probably be as much remembered within a couple of years as Utrom Shredder in the 2003 cartoon.

[plastroncafe]

Utrom Shredder was a GREAT idea.

[TurtleGuy]

Sorry but it's not the 80's cartoon. The 80's show is always there if you want Irma.

But I want snarky goth teen Irma... :tcry:

She was probably the only female character I really liked besides Karai(who is also missing).

Well, at least we still have April...

And Renet...

Al Bundy: OH GOD! *cries* :tcry:

[Leo656]

Utrom Shredder was a GREAT idea.

Expand.

Not saying I disagree. Partially, maybe. Mostly I'm just genuinely curious to hear your take on it.

I for one am pretty, "Eh, that's a way to go" about it. I never would have done it, nor asked for it, but it didn't push me away from the show.
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I don't get the Irma fetish. I mean I wanna see what Irma had going on under that baggy sweater in the FW cartoon as much as anyone, but she hardly mattered, why the constant surge to bring her back? Who next, Zack and Caitlin? They're about equally as important, don't ya think? Not every single character or thing needs a Round 2.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Utrom Shredder was a GREAT idea.

I totally agree with you.

[Leo656]

I totally agree with you.

Hmm.

Expand.

Not saying I disagree. Partially, maybe. Mostly I'm just genuinely curious to hear your take on it.

I for one am pretty, "Eh, that's a way to go" about it. I never would have done it, nor asked for it, but it didn't push me away from the show.

Mm-hmm.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Hmm.



Mm-hmm.

Well, I think Utrom Shredder was a great idea because it took the best parts of two prominent villains (Krang and Shredder) and merged them into one that felt organic to the show, if undeniably a drastic change.

Shredder, with a personal vendetta against the Turtles and Splinter. Krang, an intergalactic warlord with much bigger goals of conquest than New York City. For Ch'rell, NYC was always just his launching pad, his goal of getting himself back into the stars. His target was always the Utroms, and the Turtles were on his hit list for aligning themselves with the ol Ooties. He would have just as easily worked with the mutants instead of against them.

Basically, I feel like it took risks, incorporated Fred Wolf without incorporating Fred Wolf, expanded the scope of Shredder, and also gave us that kickass decapitation scene which we would have never had otherwise.

Now, I don't ever want to see Ch'rell again. One radical departure was great, but it should never become the norm. But for what it was then, I think it was great.

[Leo656]

Alright, can't really argue with that. I pretty much feel the same. Maybe just a little less enthusiastic.

[Commenter 42]

I'd like to have April back as an adult. Use a worm hole, time travel, magic, anything really; let's just stop with the psyionic mutant kid. Ret-con that bull.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'd like to have April back as an adult. Use a worm hole, time travel, magic, anything really; let's just stop with the psyionic mutant kid. Ret-con that bull.

Oh hells yes.

Alright, can't really argue with that. I pretty much feel the same. Maybe just a little less enthusiastic.

I'm probably being more enthusiastic just because I've been having to watch idiots drivel and drool all over themselves about how good TMNT2 is gonna be. Makes everything even better by comparison.

[Leo656]

Good call, Garth.

[Commenter 42]

Theres some really good stuff, and some pretty damn good direction in the Nick series. Of course, it has it's flaws...but as a best of all worlds, it's pretty good.

At the very least, it knows what it is, and what it's trying to say. It's not the deepest show, but it rings the right bells when it has to, and takes some interesting risks at times, especially with a fanbase more fickle than most trekkies.

[Ninturtle]

Theres some really good stuff, and some pretty damn good direction in the Nick series. Of course, it has it's flaws...but as a best of all worlds, it's pretty good.

At the very least, it knows what it is, and what it's trying to say. It's not the deepest show, but it rings the right bells when it has to, and takes some interesting risks at times, especially with a fanbase more fickle than most trekkies.

The series has the potential to be Amazing but it's squandered by the lack of a more continuous story, lack of character development, and lack of consistancy. You'll have a lack luster episode like "The Creeping Doom" followed by a great episode like "Dinosaur Seen in Sewers". If every episode was as good as DSIS the series would rank almost as high as the 2003 series on my list of favorite turtle versions. I still love the show even if it's inconsistent as hell.

[Powder]

The Creeping Doom (or any other "filler" episode) isn't lackluster just because it doesn't contribute to the overall narrative, man.

A lot of us like standalone features. The TMNT were practically built on that format (Mirage, Fred Wolf cartoon).

[Commenter 42]

The series has the potential to be Amazing but it's squandered by the lack of a more continuous story, lack of character development, and lack of consistancy. You'll have a lack luster episode like "The Creeping Doom" followed by a great episode like "Dinosaur Seen in Sewers". If every episode was as good as DSIS the series would rank almost as high as the 2003 series on my list of favorite turtle versions. I still love the show even if it's inconsistent as hell.

It is quite inconsistent, I agree, but 2003 is very difficult to watch for me. Idk, it just falls flat, and i can't get around the art-direction. I really don't like it. My bigger gripe is the humor, coupled with the weird on the nose music.
Full disclosure, I didn't like Nick art-direction either at first, but I feel it's improved since ep1. and for what ever reason, kind of grown on me.

I have beef with all versions of TMNT though, I'm a bit savage.

The Creeping Doom (or any other "filler" episode) isn't lackluster just because it doesn't contribute to the overall narrative, man.

A lot of us like standalone features. The TMNT were practically built on that format (Mirage, Fred Wolf cartoon).

See, I was going to say this...infact, I think I like that it's broken up with one off stories, ala Mirage...
Maybe because I write that way...like Plot, Plot Plot...side note...Plot Plot. Sidenote...Plot

[Powder]

That's how it should be, & part of why I'm quicker to criticize IDW than Nick. "Slice of life" is an extremely important component of TMNT, & so too are the "Oh sh*t, new problem" moments.

[Commenter 42]

That's how it should be, & part of why I'm quicker to criticize IDW than Nick. "Slice of life" is an extremely important component of TMNT, & so too are the "Oh sh*t, new problem" moments.

We really need that 100 emote up in here. :P

[Ninturtle]

The Creeping Doom (or any other "filler" episode) isn't lackluster just because it doesn't contribute to the overall narrative, man.

A lot of us like standalone features. The TMNT were practically built on that format (Mirage, Fred Wolf cartoon).

It was lack luster to me for other reasons, It's hard to explain but I just wasn't interested in the episode. When I finished watching it it was kinda just dissatisfactory ( partly because of the Dumb Donnie part not really being that funny or interesting ) I found it kinda easy to forget ,I liked CreepWeeds design and the return of Creep and SnakeWeed but that was about it. Some of my favorite episodes are filler. I don't mind filler if it's done at an appropriate time but sometimes filler gets in the way with the story and it annoys me.

[Commenter 42]

It was lack luster to me for other reasons, It's hard to explain but I just wasn't interested in the episode. When I finished watching it it was kinda just dissatisfactory ( partly because of the Dumb Donnie part not really being that funny or interesting ) I found it kinda easy to forget ,I liked CreepWeeds design and the return of Creep and SnakeWeed but that was about it. Some of my favorite episodes are filler. I don't mind filler if it's done at an appropriate time but sometimes filler gets in the way with the story and it annoys me.

I can get behind that. When I said inconsistent, it feels like they have an A team and a B team...at least as far as the show is laid out. Some just have that zip to them, while others just sort of happen, or worse, telegraph the entire episode from the first minute.

Still, like I said, for all it's negatives, it really is pretty much the most inclusive TMNT, as far as reaching across Fan factions.

[myconius]

^^^The face he made when the first accusations came out. :lol:

PWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! :lol:

[gibbs615]

Sorry but it's not the 80's cartoon. The 80's show is always there if you want Irma.

Well I STILL say they NEED to bring Irma back and make it like how I said before cause I know a lot of us OLD FANS of the 80's cartoon expected her to become another friend of the turtles...NOT A DAMN KRAANG!!!:mad:

[Powder]

Take your meds.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Well I STILL say they NEED to bring Irma back and make it like how I said before cause I know a lot of us OLD FANS of the 80's cartoon expected her to become another friend of the turtles...NOT A DAMN KRAANG!!!:mad:

AGAIN, this is NOT the 80s cartoon! Move on!

[Autbot_Benz]

Well I STILL say they NEED to bring Irma back and make it like how I said before cause I know a lot of us OLD FANS of the 80's cartoon expected her to become another friend of the turtles...NOT A DAMN KRAANG!!!:mad:

Piss off this is the Nick Cartoon not that not that corny Fred Wolf Show. They are doing there own take on the turtles lore DEAL WITH IT.

[gibbs615]

Piss off this is the Nick Cartoon not that not that corny Fred Wolf Show. They are doing there own take on the turtles lore DEAL WITH IT.

STILL if she had been real, I think she would've helped the turtles out with her smarts and perhaps hacking skills too. Being sorta like their VELMA!:lol:

[DarkFell]

perhaps hacking skills too. Being sorta like their VELMA!:lol:
I thought that's part of the reason why the Turtle bros kept Donatello around. :P

In all seriousness, OT Irma is a likable character, but OT Irma is better off staying in the OT. Ciro and Auman wanted to take a different direction with the series. And so they did.

That's why Irma wound up be a Kraang piloted droid for K.S.P. and an actual Irma doesn't exist.

[2K3]

Well everyone, I guess THIS is as close to the REAL Irma as we're gonna get. And to tell you the truth... I'm okay with it.

Sure...We've traded a Kraang for a member of the Utrom High Council. But at least we didn't SEE the Utrom in the episode. All we saw was Irma losing her head LITERALLY.

[Autbot_Benz]

That shot when Irma Kraang's head got blown off was one of the greatest things ever.

[oldmanwinters]

That shot when Irma Kraang's head got blown off was one of the greatest things ever.

Hehe, I totally saw that coming but I still laughed aloud anyway! :tlol:

[TurtleTitan97]

Maybe now with the recent episode we can finally close this ridiculous chapter.

[Autbot_Benz]

Hehe, I totally saw that coming but I still laughed aloud anyway! :tlol:

That was Ciro and Brandon's way of saying Shut up Irma is dead :lol:

[oldmanwinters]

That was Ciro and Brandon's way of saying Shut up Irma is dead :lol:

It was glorious.

[TurtleGuy]

Well that's the end of that, then.

I never really expected her to return as Irma, but I guess her being "Rook" is better than nothing. Now if only they'd cure Karai's mutation...

[oldmanwinters]

Now if only they'd cure Karai's mutation...

By the sounds of Leo's last remark in "War for Dimension X," he might actually prefer her to stay a mutant!

[Etsyturtle2]

You know? If there's no hope for a human Irma, maybe we could get an Utrom Irma. I mean, the Kraangs all use the same human-bot, and they have several Irma-bots. So, how about another Utrom ally who use the disguise of an Irma-bot? Maybe Mortu or someone else?

This is a fortune teller. posted in December.

[Zak The Neutrino]

haha I see I'm not the only one that thought of this thread after seeing todays episode.

[neatoman]

I find it amusing that the real Irma is an Utrom, it's not funny in the context of the show itself but funny in the sense that it's a huge middle finger to anyone who hated the initial Kraang Sub-Prime reveal. :lol: