Why are the Turtles Teenagers?

[aliena]

Sometimes I regret that Eastman and Laird decided to label them as Teenagers. I think it immediately branded them as a kids product and therefore keeping them as such, even though most of the time I do not consider them teenagers.

I don't know why they went with them being so young, some of you might know that answer. It's just that the original comics do not feel anything like teens to me. They drink, are very dark and gritty and they kill people. That just doesn't seem youthful to me.

Out of all the incarnations that I'm familiar with, most do not feel teenager like. At least not in my opinion. I'm sure others here will not agree, but these are my general feelings on the subject.

The Eastman/Laird comic they seem almost thirty
Watching FW I think they seem in their mid-twenties
1990 movie they feel almost twentyish
4kids they definitely feel mid-twenties, maybe older
I believe in TNM it is mentioned they are twenty or almost twenty
2007, they definitely feel mid-twenties
Nick, they are definitely teens for sure
IDW they are teens as well
2014 Bay turtles feel like late teens almost twenty at times.

I guess eighteen and nineteen are still teenagers, but just imagine if they could be portrayed as dark and gritty as they were meant to be. I'd love to see someone do that for once. I guess 4kids is the closest we are going to get to that and that's pretty good.

[CyberCubed]

The X-men were teenage mutants, the TMNT are teenage mutants.

Likewise the Turtles only really act like teens in the Nick cartoon. In the original cartoon, 4kids series, the Mirage comics, movies, etc...they all act like 20 something year olds.

[Powder]

It's because that's what was hip at the time. TMNT was created to be a parody of popular comic trends in the early/mid eighties; & those trends were groups of teens, mutants, ninja action, & anthropomorphic animals (among other things, of course). Boom. & that's the real deal, not just my guess. Kev & Pete have outright stated this in various interviews.

Age was never actually mentioned in The Next Mutation to my recollection, but you're right, they more often than not feel like 20 or 30 somethings rather than teens. I like how Nick has made them actually act their age, for the most part. It's refreshing.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It's because that's what was hip at the time. TMNT was created to be a parody of popular comic trends in the early/mid eighties; & those trends were groups of teens, mutants, ninja action, & anthropomorphic animals (among other things, of course). Boom. & that's the real deal, not just my guess. Kev & Pete have outright stated this in various interviews.

Age was never actually mentioned in The Next Mutation to my recollection, but you're right, they more often than not feel like 20 or 30 somethings rather than teens. I like how Nick has made them actually act their age, for the most part. It's refreshing.

Yeah, I think only IDW and Nick have the Turtles acting as true teenagers. And Nick was the first to do it. I got my problems with Nick, but that was a pretty clever new take.

[Leo656]

They're like 11-12 in the Nick show. I consistently hear "Nick made them act like teenagers", but that's not entirely accurate. They're way too juvenile in their behavior, especially Mikey, for them to be teenagers. They regressed TOO much for that version.

[Powder]

I'll give you Mikey, but not the others. Besides, they're not humans. They aren't going to mature when they've spent their lives in isolation, without the influence of authoritative adults (other than Splinter, who has clearly been lax in some respects). You can't hold them to real world standards when they were brought up by cable TV. Beyond their ninja sh*t, they've not been given a reason to mature, & maturing does not always happen naturally.

[IndigoErth]

Glanced over some old article on that the other day and agree, as also already been said here, it mostly comes down to the trends they were parodying at the time of their creation. 'Teen in title only.'

Honestly, for those versions that seem grown I tend to just brush off the stated age and think of them as being 20s, or however old they seem per series. Though collectively in concept I tend to regard them as the age of their franchise. Individually, only Nick (haven't seen enough of IDW to be all that familiarly with it) feels like a bunch of kids to me, which is fun as far as this one goes.

Particularly 2003 seems 20s to me, and far as I'm concerned Bay & Co. made them lie about their age. :tlol: No way those 2014 boys aren't grown. Only Mikey carried the entire "teen" claim via personality/behavior; though the tweaked look to him for the sequel makes him pass more for upper teens, maybe, but the rest of the guys still seem 20s.

Which honestly is fine by me, because I'd love for a tv series (or series of films) to portray them as young adults anyhow.

[Powder]

People in their 20's act like teenagers anyway. :trazz:

[TurtleGuy]

Because Adult-Aged Mutant Ninja Turtles just doesn't the same ring to it, ya know.

[IndigoErth]

People in their 20's act like teenagers anyway. :trazz:
lol And beyond sometimes. :tlol: (But only in short bursts, hard to have teenage energy at 30+ lol)

[Candy Kappa]

I thought they established that they where 18 in TNM, but I could be remembering wrong. And that show was just called Ninja Turtles: The Next Mutation.

Considering they are usually 15 years old when a new incarnation starts, they are technically teenagers by human standard. Except IDW, there the comic starts with them being 15 months old post-mutation, bearing the souls of relatively young children.

And I would assume we're counting their years post-mutation, as it would be impossible to know when they hatched. In USA it's illegal to sell turtles with a shell length under 4 inches (enacted in 1975) so "baby turtles" can be a bit of a stretch since a Red-Eared Slider might reach 4" in circa 4 years or within 1 year as turtle maturity don't depend on age but on size, and male RES mature at 4".

Unless they where acquired for "educational" purposes, then you can get turtles under 4" due to legal loopholes.

[IndigoErth]

And I would assume we're counting their years post-mutation, as it would be impossible to know when they hatched. In USA it's illegal to sell turtles with a shell length under 4 inches (enacted in 1975) so "baby turtles" can be a bit of a stretch since a Red-Eared Slider might reach 4" in circa 4 years or within 1 year as turtle maturity don't depend on age but on size, and male RES mature at 4".

Interesting info, did not know that. Maybe not so unreasonable then to suspect they could be older than stated.

That might actually be a reasonable way of explaining how any of them are supposed to be older or younger than the others, yet supposedly related. (Unless one prefers they aren't blood, but that's a different, been-done argument in/for another thread.)


Such as perhaps a local owner had some little ones close in size, but differed a bit in age, born from their own pair of Turtles and sold to a small local pet store when they were big enough. Maybe Leo was slow and steady growing and, on the opposite end of the spectrum, Mikey, being the active, hungry bugger he is, caught up quick.

And in a scenario like that, maybe the info on the age of each was known and given to the store owner, who in turn was able to tell Yoshi/soon-to-b Splinter in the cases that he was the buyer.

Unless they were not brought from a store - by Yoshi, that kid, the lab, or whoever - and instead illegally sold too small directly from the owner of the parents...

As for the maturity issue vs mutating into babies or young children... I guess maybe it could simply be the human/human-like aspect catching up to them.


(And yes, I have nothing better to do today than ponder this sort of thing. :trazz:)

[Aaronardo]

Because Adult-Aged Mutant Ninja Turtles just doesn't the same ring to it, ya know.

I dunno, 20-Something Alcoholic Run-Down Mutant Ninja Turtles seems like a damn good title to me.

[IndigoErth]

:lol:

...Who are Tired of All this Human and Alien S***

:trazz:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I dunno, 20-Something Alcoholic Run-Down Mutant Ninja Turtles seems like a damn good title to me.

Or, in one word, Raphael. :tlol:

[Jester]

I thought they established that they where 18 in TNM, but I could be remembering wrong. And that show was just called Ninja Turtles: The Next Mutation.

If I'm remembering correctly Splinter says they are all almost 18 years of ages in the 1st episode after he and Raph take out some Foot Soldiers. (But the rat had a stick....)

[Candy Kappa]

Right, I remember now.

To be fair, it was a large stick.

[ProactiveMan]

I dunno, 20-Something Alcoholic Run-Down Mutant Ninja Turtles seems like a damn good title to me.

I'd watch it.

[triplexxx]

I'm guessing "Teenage" was the only good two-syllable word they could find to go with the rest of which in the title; "Adult" must've sounded too stuffy. Possibly they could've just left it as "Mutant Ninja Turtles", made completely different sounding themes for each tv/movie incarnation; don't know if it would've appealed to the same type or size of audience.

[Gunstar_Red]

It was definitely because of the parody aspect of it; poking fun at every comic that had to have teenagers as main characters. (Versus previous eras that had primarily young adults, older, or unspecific age main characters.) It was only going to be one issue and that's it.

Keep in mind, as others have said, not all Ninja Turtles media has them as teenagers. I have a personal rule of thumb: based on the TMNT (they were in their 30s in a lot of issues, weren't they?) and Tales of TMNT (stories juggled around their ages from really young to really old) comics, anything that minimizes the title to "TMNT" means they are older than 20. I want to say the 2k7 TMNT movie implied they were just turning into adults. The only thing that doesn't go by this rule is the 2k3 cartoon where they are specifically 15.

They aren't going to mature when they've spent their lives in isolation, without the influence of authoritative adults (other than Splinter, who has clearly been lax in some respects). You can't hold them to real world standards when they were brought up by cable TV. Beyond their ninja sh*t, they've not been given a reason to mature, & maturing does not always happen naturally.

I would disagree on some versions. Because of isolation and intense training, they act maturer than normal teenagers. If they are traditionally trained in Ninjutsu, they won't have much of a childhood and always prepared to murder if needs be. Being in a life encompassing lifestyle like an assassin, you have to sacrifice personal needs/wants or even a personality if you want to get far.

...Which I'm kinda glad Splinter isn't that strict and taught them these things more for defense than offense. ^^; But the training does really influence on how mature they act compared to normal undisciplined teenagers.

[Powder]

I just meant specifically the Nick universe. 'Cause obviously in Mirage, for example, they had a much harsher upbringing in a very different New York.

[Lisardo]

Because Adult-Aged Mutant Ninja Turtles just doesn't the same ring to it, ya know.

Yeah the whole "Teenage Mutant" was added later. I think originally it was just gonna be called "Ninja Turtles", which honestly was all they needed. It's fine if they are Teenage Mutants and all, but I agree that's just not believable and they rarely look and act the age they are supposed to be portraying, in most versions. Save for maybe the Nick series, which IMO is the FIRST time they ever looked/acted teen-aged.

Speaking of the Nick series, I remember reading how the producers made April a teen for that series because they always thought a grown woman hanging around teen boys was "creepy". But the entire time I watched the OT, I couldn't help but think the turtles and April are all the same age - about 21 - 23 years old, MAYBE 19/20 at the absolute youngest!

[papa_smurf73]

"Why are the Turtles Teenagers?"

According to Michael Bay they are roided out super mutants.

[Andrew NDB]

The Eastman/Laird comic they seem almost thirty

Because they are. They've been in their thirties for something like the last 16 years of the Mirage comics.

It's because that's what was hip at the time. TMNT was created to be a parody of popular comic trends in the early/mid eighties

According to both Eastman and Laird, separately... false. Some parodic elements? Yes. But not "created to be a parody."

I thought they established that they where 18 in TNM, but I could be remembering wrong.

In the press releases and such at the time they were clearly mentioned as being 17. So about a year after TMNT III, when they were 16.

[Chabrendeki]

I don't see the point: the Turtles are... turtles. So they are teens from age, does not necessary mean, they are on the same mature level, like a human at the same age.

So they can act like a human in his twenties, and being just around 15 years old, or whatever, just because they mature otherwise.

[Zage]

Some teens act older than their age. That's also a possibility, & like it stated earlier, some 20 and 30 some olds, still act like teens. In some cases, they're just called Ninja Turtles, so maybe they're 20+, in those cases?

[Prowler]

While I agree that the turtles usually seem to act more like young adults, they definitely had moments and episodes in the FW series where they seemed to act like older teenagers. As did they in the 2k3 series. I mean, Mike and Raph in that show sure had some teenage attitudes.

[Shark_Blade]

Because adults are boring and children are annoying.

[Powder]

Because adults are boring and children are annoying.

This must be why I like anime characterization so much, the bulk of modern works have teenage casts. :tlol:

Obviously you're just making a blanket statement, but it's true to a certain extent.

[Prowler]

Because adults are boring and children are annoying.
Fictional adult characters are boring for the most part? Is that what you're saying? If that's the case, then I disagree.

What I can say though, is that human characters in the TMNT world aren't that interesting for the most part as in comparison to non-human ones.

[TMNTInsighter]

I've always said that if none of the four words (they all probably should) "Teenage. Mutant. Ninja. Turtles" don't grab you, then there's something wrong with you. Everyone likes turtles or at least will stop to look at one. The word mutants should grab your attention. So should ninjas. And of course, everybody remembers their teenage years where there's a lot going on and a lot of self-discovery. It makes the turtles a lot more relatable and a lot more marketable (not to mention that the PG-13--and PG-13-esque--audience brings in a boatload of money compared to the other ratings, no competition).
You bring all four of those things together, you've got a lot of possibilities and a lot of interesting material even if you don't know it at the time.

[Masterpiece]

In the 1990 movie, the turtles do seem like they're 15.

It's just that probably you're comparing them to the children of today.

Good children back then were goofy and lovable in a good way. And they could get serious when need be.

Remember how they danced to Tequila?
Remember their slang competitions? (Bossa Nova!)
How 'bout playing a board game?
Or eating lots junk food and watching cartoons? (Ninja kick the damn rabbit!)

The turtles in the 1990 movie do act like kids, but kids from a different, by-gone era.

With Splinter as their parent and not being able to live a normal life on the surface, of course the turtles would act somewhat... eccentric for their young age of 15.