April and her powers....

[GoldMutant]

One of the most decisive changes in all of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles history. April O'Neil, often the subject of being either the damsel in distress or big sister has remained a continuous force throughout the franchise lore. After toning her down in age like the other Turtles (whether good is subjective :P), The Kraang Conspiracy introduced one of the strangest twists of the Nickverse, let alone the entire franchise: the psychic powers resulting from Kraang genetics.

Granted, the differing concept is unique and introduces further storyline conflict for the Kraang and the O'Neil family, but it's oddly ignored. A personal gripe though; despite this, the powers don't do much outside noteworthy examples of sensing an individual's soul or telekinesis. While it's demonstrated the senses of search throughout season 1 and 2, the powers have certain conflict.

Whether issue be taken from April's powers saving Splinter in Return to New York, rescuing Fugitoid from Overmind in The Outlaw Armaggon! or speculation resulting from episodes like Within the Woods or Annihilation: Earth. Issue though seems to be April saves the day with these powers on certain occasion from rather nifty concepts, especially Eyes of the Chimera, even if bland and rather forgettable. Well, now that I got that out of my system, I want to ask you guys a question:

Although I'm personally indifferent with issues on it and have seen the criticism occur on a few occasion, specifically in the criticism thread, I would like to hear everyone's thoughts on the powers. Although a deus ex at certain aspects in the writing department, the concept is an interesting take if somewhat flawed. Overall though, thoughts on the powers; if you dislike it, feel free to explain why or talk about how it could be better. At times it may be Mary Sue territory, but I do feel it had potential, share any thoughts. :)

(Also, telekinesis is still awesome!)

[CyberCubed]

They're fine. Most people complaining have probably spent too much time on TVtropes or reading headcanons from tumblr or deviantart.

[Aaronardo]

Like you, I see giving April telekinesis a rather interesting way to transform the character, and intrigued me at first (hell, I didn't even hate The Kraang Conspiracy like everyone else did at first). Sadly, like you've pointed out, her powers are hardly used, and when they are, they just feel lazily tacked on as a deus ex machina.

It really is too bad, I was excited to see April's character get taken into a new direction. I mean, I guess that's what I got, but like most of the other flaws of this show, it fails in execution.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

She don't need 'em.

[DarkLightDragon]

They're fine. Most people complaining have probably spent too much time on TVtropes or reading headcanons from tumblr or deviantart.

Or maybe they just find her powers too convenient for almost every problem. That's possible too. Unless you're being your dense self as usual.

[plastroncafe]

I'm indifferent to them.

I personally feel that April is at her best when she's the Zeppo of the group, bit to reach their own.

Might as well make the Token a McGuffin as well, right?

[CyberCubed]

This April is a lot more active in the Turtles adventures than any April before her, so its natural to see her have a little special powers.

[plastroncafe]

What you mean is it's a crutch. And you're right.

[CyberCubed]

What you mean is it's a crutch. And you're right.

She doesn't always save the day and she's still left out of a lot of episodes, so they've handled her screentime balance well.

[plastroncafe]

... for you.

[Ravenshell]

I like that April has something that puts her near the level of the guys, but still has no idea what she's doing, and that makes for an interesting character trait. There are times when I feel like her abilities run too much of a gamut... April's powers do ALL THE THINGS, just like mutagen does ALL THE THINGS. They're ill-defined, and she doesn't do anything except mental connection with any consistency, so whenever she manages some new trick, I kind of feel like they're over-expanding her abilities tree. Seeing her go bonkers-Phoenix-mode should be entertaining, though.

[victory_angel]

I don't consider April's powers as Mary Sue.

This is a term people need to be careful with because more often as not a vailed statement given by people who say "I don't like how this character is written, but I don't really have any opinion beyond that."

The original Mary Sue was a joke character made for Star Trek. She was the youngest Star Fleet Captain ever having graduated from the academy at 15. Is top of her class in a verity of subjects from art-zoology and some how manages to get into the good graces of the big three if not all three at once.

So being a Mary Sue isn't simply being perfect....It's being perfect to the point of being unchallenged by the narrative.


April was revealed to be a Kraang/Human Hybrid in Kraang Conspiracy and from the look on her face at the end of the episode it is something that has rattled her to her very core.

Thus far the Turtles have been allowing her to have her space and come to terms with it on her own.

Even in Lonely Mutation when Casey asks April about her psychic powers, she just brushes it off as "I'm special." in a tone that clearly says "I don't want to discuss it."

From there Aprils powers have fluctuated between controllable and sudden burst.

April's latent powers are still a mystery to her so they mostly appear in when she is under duress or experiencing heavily emotional backlash (such as when Splinter Died). Donnie has helped her learn to control some of her powers by studying them and Fugatoid has been helping her control them as well. But the rest of the time April has only used her powers as far as sensing things...or restoring peoples minds. The other times she chooses not to use her powers (because she doesn't want to advertise that she has them to the enemy.) Or because she doesn't think they are warranted in a given situation.

[Utrommaniac]

It could be done a lot better, and it's at least some attempt at giving her a little more agency than prior versions. I'm sure with a little bit more of a push, there could be more definition to them, but for now, it's noodles that haven't fully cooked.

And, again, I say, it's no where near insulting as her Mirage counterpart being a drawing, and every single part that went into that revelation.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm indifferent to them.

I personally feel that April is at her best when she's the Zeppo of the group, bit to reach their own.

Might as well make the Token a McGuffin as well, right?

What do you mean, Zeppo? I am unfamiliar with this reference.

[Leo656]

I think she should just be a "normal" person trying to make sense of the extraordinary events going on around her. Making her too "unique" in that environment actually undermines why she's different from everyone else in the TMNT universe. They're all freaks, lunatics, and whackos, and she's not. She just happens to get thrust into all of that. I like that. That's why I don't like giving her super-powers, making her a Master Ninja (at least not in the amount of time it takes to make a sandwich), or giving her some magical backstory.

I'm also not a huge fan of telekinesis or "mind powers" in general. Always just seems like lazy writing, or something a little kid playing with his friends would pull to try and "win". "Well, I can do this impossible thing because I have MAGIC MIND POWERS! Nyah Nyah!" It's just a highly "convenient" special ability in that it can do whatever it needs to in service of the plot, so its always bugged me. Characters with that ability are never my favorites.

I know, I know, there really isn't much I DO like about this show. :trazz: But, you asked, and opinions are free. :)

[GoldMutant]

I think she should just be a "normal" person trying to make sense of the extraordinary events going on around her. Making her too "unique" in that environment actually undermines why she's different from everyone else in the TMNT universe.

I'm also not a huge fan of telekinesis or "mind powers" in general. Always just seems like lazy writing, or something a little kid playing with his friends would pull to try and "win". "Well, I can do this impossible thing because I have MAGIC MIND POWERS! Nyah Nyah!" It's just a highly "convenient" special ability in that it can do whatever it needs to in service of the plot, so its always bugged me. Characters with that ability are never my favorites.

I know, I know, there really isn't much I DO like about this show. :trazz: But, you asked, and opinions are free. :)

Not unless you copyright the opinion and want cash for it. :twink: I got no problems Leo, just wanting to hear any thoughts on it, I need to get something to make up for a rather lackluster week after all. :lol:

[The Happy One]

Eh...I think she really doesn’t need them- in that, if she were to suddenly not have 'em I'd be totally okay with it...but if they continue down this whole 'dark April' that they're foreshadowing? If they execute it right, that'd be awesome. I mean, I know everyone is hating this Space Arc but, hey, for me, I've been kinda liking April more than I ever did in this series and especially since Fugitoid has been consistently using her powers and developing them. Keep that up when they get back and we might just get her powers balanced out where they don't just pop up when they need them to.

[plastroncafe]

What do you mean, Zeppo? I am unfamiliar with this reference.

It's from the TV show Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Xander, who had no special skills or powers, referred to himself as the Zeppo after the one marxs brother who didn't have a schtick.

I think April works best when she's the normal person on the team. The Zeppo, the Sokka the Xander.

[drgon78]

I like it and can't wait to see were they take it.

[BabyTurtles]

I really don't think she needed them.

I feel like that's the only way to make her interesting....instead of actually trying to make her a good character on her own.

[ssjup81]

I really don't think she needed them.

I feel like that's the only way to make her interesting....instead of actually trying to make her a good character on her own.I think the problem is that it's always going to be difficult to make a character like April interesting when you have the super awesome Turtles alongside her since she is so normal. I haven't seen or read every incarnation of the Turtles franchise, but I've never found April as a character interesting for the ones I have...but did like her as a reporter...it did help piqué my interest in journalism.

As for this thread, I'm indifferent and feel I should see how it plays out as a whole when the series is finished.

[BabyTurtles]

I think the problem is that it's always going to be difficult to make a character like April interesting when you have the super awesome Turtles alongside her since she is so normal. I haven't seen or read every incarnation of the Turtles franchise, but I've never found April as a character interesting for the ones I have...but did like her as a reporter...it did help piqué my interest in journalism.

As for this thread, I'm indifferent and feel I should see how it plays out as a whole when the series is finished.

coughcopAprilcough......

Seriously I can't be the only one that thinks a cop April would totally work....

[Leo656]

I don't think April, as we traditionally know her, would ever have the implicit craving of power or innate need to prove herself superior to other people that's generally required to be a police officer.

[BabyTurtles]

I don't think April, as we traditionally know her, would ever have the implicit craving of power or innate need to prove herself superior to other people that's generally required to be a police officer.

Tweak her a bit then ^_^ I mean....if she can become a teenager/mutant with psychic powers then I don't think having a Police April who wants to help people by keeping the city safe is too hard.

I mean A police April would be handy...she would know how to defend herself so people wouldn't be annoyed with her getting captured or be defenseless all the time (without being an instant ninja)...and she could also help the turtles gain intel. Seems perfect to me...
....thinnnnkk about itttt~

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt236/Renkel76/april%20leads%20the%20way%20for%20commision%20page 2_zpsnww8dcrz.jpg (http://s615.photobucket.com/user/Renkel76/media/april%20leads%20the%20way%20for%20commision%20page 2_zpsnww8dcrz.jpg.html)

[Leo656]

Let me see if I can put it another way: April, as a person, is too good to be a cop.

Despite what cartoons and movies try to sell, people don't become cops to "protect people", because legally, they're not allowed to do anything in order to do so. That's not their function. Their function is, ostensibly, to penalize people only after any suspected wrongdoing has occurred. And even then, half the time they're just harassing people who "Seem suspicious." And in between, they write traffic tickets, based on a quota system designed to justify their salaries.

People typically become police officers because it's an easy path to respect; people have to treat you like a big shot, or else you might punish them for something they didn't do, because your word will always trump theirs, no matter what. Most often, they're people who didn't know what to do with themselves once they graduated high school and scoring sportsball points no longer made them a hero in the local community. So they transition from one position of false importance to another, because they have no idea how to get by if they're not making other people feel smaller and weaker than they are. They can't stuff nerds into lockers anymore, but they can still ruin someone's day by pulling them over for going 40 in a 35, potentially costing that person their only means of getting to work, and so on and so on. And now they get paid to be douchebags, instead of just doing it for free.

Cops are generally bullies and awful people, basically. Anyone who goes into a power-seeking type of job is fundamentally a bad person, because you have to be a bad person in order to want to bully, harass, and control people as a career.

I would prefer not to see April turn out that way. I frankly always saw her as being a lot better than that.

[BabyTurtles]

Let me see if I can put it another way: April, as a person, is too good to be a cop.

Despite what cartoons and movies try to sell, people don't become cops to "protect people", because legally, they're not allowed to do anything in order to do so. That's not their function. Their function is, ostensibly, to penalize people only after any suspected wrongdoing has occurred. And even then, half the time they're just harassing people who "Seem suspicious." And in between, they write traffic tickets, based on a quota system designed to justify their salaries.

People typically become police officers because it's an easy path to respect; people have to treat you like a big shot, or else you might punish them for something they didn't do, because your word will always trump theirs, no matter what. Most often, they're people who didn't know what to do with themselves once they graduated high school and scoring sportsball points no longer made them a hero in the local community. So they transition from one position of false importance to another, because they have no idea how to get by if they're not making other people feel smaller and weaker than they are. They can't stuff nerds into lockers anymore, but they can still ruin someone's day by pulling them over for going 40 in a 35, potentially costing that person their only means of getting to work, and so on and so on. And now they get paid to be douchebags, instead of just doing it for free.

Cops are generally bullies and awful people, basically. Anyone who goes into a power-seeking type of job is fundamentally a bad person, because you have to be a bad person in order to want to bully, harass, and control people as a career.

I would prefer not to see April turn out that way. I frankly always saw her as being a lot better than that.

HEY! If anything it would be something for April to overcome! She IS trying to be a good person (a good cop) but others around her might abuse their power. (heck she might even have to choose between defending the turtles or keep her job)

maybe she leaves the job and that's a whole turning point for her character??? :D

developmennnnttt~

[Utrommaniac]

What about a detective or Private Eye?

Still, it puts her at an age range at least twice that of the turtles. One thing I can say about the Nick TMNT is that her young age is that it makes her a peer to them. Even tech school student where she's only a little bit older than them works.

[Commenter 42]

Let me see if I can put it another way: April, as a person, is too good to be a cop....
Cops are generally bullies and awful people, basically. Anyone who goes into a power-seeking type of job is fundamentally a bad person, because you have to be a bad person in order to want to bully, harass, and control people as a career.

I would prefer not to see April turn out that way. I frankly always saw her as being a lot better than that.

^^^All of this.

Although...
I briefly worked for the news division of an infamous TV station when I was first starting out, and from what I saw, it's a personality type that dominates the news room too.
Off-air reporters, fact checkers, writers, producers, etc... many of them have bully tendencies. They all love a good "gottcha" story.
Not exactly the same, as they're often going after bullies, but they use a similar approach.

I loathe both in the end, but I can see the parallel if we're doing the FW thing.

[Leo656]

HEY! If anything it would be something for April to overcome! She IS trying to be a good person (a good cop) but others around her might abuse their power. (heck she might even have to choose between defending the turtles or keep her job)

maybe she leaves the job and that's a whole turning point for her character??? :D

developmennnnttt~

And then what? She decides she can't change the system from within so she decides to put on a cape and a mask and fight bad guys that way, because she tried to do it "by the book" and failed? That's not April's story, that's Batman's story. You're confusing April O'Neil with Batman, somehow. I don't know how, but good job, I suppose. :trazz:

I always felt like Reporter April was a decent balance as far as "proactive enough to be an occasional catalyst for events, but passive enough to be fully a background character to the Turtles rather than an encroaching lead." I can see the scientist angle but it's not my favorite.

^^^All of this.

Although, I spent some time working for the news division of an infamous TV station, when i was first starting out. Not all, but many of the Off-air reporters, fact checkers, writers, producers, etc... many of them have bully instincts/tendencies. They all love a good "gottcha" story. It's not exactly the same, but I loathe that mentality just as much.

That's why I like how in some incarnations they have April eventually become a freelance reporter. Her allegiance is to The Truth, not any employer, so it makes sense she'd be more of a renegade, rather than be beholden to a network or whatever.

[Commenter 42]

wow... you know it's late when you have to re-edit your post 6 times...sorry folks :P

[BabyTurtles]

And then what? She decides she can't change the system from within so she decides to put on a cape and a mask and fight bad guys that way, because she tried to do it "by the book" and failed? That's not April's story, that's Batman's story. You're confusing April O'Neil with Batman, somehow. I don't know how, but good job, I suppose. :trazz:

I always felt like Reporter April was a decent balance as far as "proactive enough to be an occasional catalyst for events, but passive enough to be fully a background character to the Turtles rather than an encroaching lead." I can see the scientist angle but it's not my favorite.

Good job indeed....I don't know how I got you to think Batman...I'm surprised myself.......
http://33.media.tumblr.com/db1b8f12db7918e825f7c9c9232eea13/tumblr_n1hgptDjoA1s8lk9fo1_500.gif

anywhoooo~

Maybe I'm thinking too much about Elisa from Gargoyles who was totally awesome and useful~

but hey if you are worried about realistic bully cops in a show about ninja turtles....then fine.

[Leo656]

wow... you know it's late when you have to re-edit your post 6 times...sorry folks :P

You do it a lot. I figured you were just like me, where you post, re-check it for errors, then another light bulb goes off. "Oh, yeah, and ANOTHER thing...!"

Never apologize. It's just the dum-dums who should talk less. :tgrin:

Good job indeed....I don't know how I got you to think Batman...I'm surprised myself.......
http://33.media.tumblr.com/db1b8f12db7918e825f7c9c9232eea13/tumblr_n1hgptDjoA1s8lk9fo1_500.gif
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Beeeecause you described Batman's origin as possible "character development" for April O'Neil. In most versions of the story, Bruce grows up wanting to be a cop so he can arrest people like the one who killed his parents, then finds out he can't do it that way because the system is corrupt and broken, so he quits the police academy and redirects his efforts on becoming Batman.

Your suggested "development" for April uses every single thing except the part where the protagonist decides on a cape-and-mask ensemble. That's why I thought of it... because that's how you laid it out. You literally suggested simply giving Bruce Wayne's story to April. :trazz:

[BabyTurtles]

You do it a lot. I figured you were just like me, where you post, re-check it for errors, then another light bulb goes off. "Oh, yeah, and ANOTHER thing...!"

Never apologize. It's just the dum-dums who should talk less. :tgrin:



Beeeecause you described Batman's origin as possible "character development" for April O'Neil. In most versions of the story, Bruce grows up wanting to be a cop so he can arrest people like the one who killed his parents, then finds out he can't do it that way because the system is corrupt and broken, so he quits the police academy and redirects his efforts on becoming Batman.

Your suggested "development" for April uses every single thing except the part where the protagonist decides on a cape-and-mask ensemble. That's why I thought of it... because that's how you laid it out. You literally suggested simply giving Bruce Wayne's story to April. :trazz:

Well instead of Batman maybe she should become a reporter afterwards and...........eh...Ya know what....forget what I said before. I think she should be a police detective all the way through. :ohwell: I still believe it's a better option for her than what we have gotten so far.

[Ninturtle]

I am not a fan of Cop April because it puts her in a position to kick *ss and do other pointless detective stuff ,and that's not her role. She's supposed to be the turtles connection to the outside world.The first human they attached to,a friend and at times a mother like figure. Her being able to fight well adds nothing to this role, it seems unnecessary when you have a ton of characters who are good fighters . There's also Leos point about April being too good of a person.

[BabyTurtles]

I am not a fan of Cop April because it puts her in a position to kick *ss and do other pointless detective stuff ,and that's not her role. She's supposed to be the turtles connection to the outside world.The first human they attached to,a friend and at times a mother like figure. Her being able to fight well adds nothing to this role, it seems unnecessary when you have a ton of characters who are good fighters . There's also Leos point about April being too good of a person.

I still don't see why she can't be both a friend AND a kickbutt cop.

I mean she's gonna be in danger...that's her character...she's danger prone...because she's around the turtles...who attract danger...why not give her the skill and knowledge to be a real asset to the team.

personally I think if we need a person who's normal and just a friend for the turtles to hang with I'd choose a young Angel.

But this is all just my own vision ^_^ my opinion.

[Ninturtle]

I still don't see why she can't be both a friend AND a kickbutt cop.

I mean she's gonna be in danger...that's her character...she's danger prone...because she's around the turtles...who attract danger...why not give her the skill and knowledge to be a real asset to the team.

personally I think if we need a person who's normal and just a friend for the turtles to hang with I'd choose a young Angel.

But this is all just my own vision ^_^ my opinion.

She can be an asset she just doesn't have to fight, part of April is that shes an ordinary person in extraordinary situation as Leo said earlier. Having her fight ninjas and mutants isn't something an ordinary person can be.

[Technogeek29]

I am not a fan of Cop April because it puts her in a position to kick *ss and do other pointless detective stuff ,and that's not her role. She's supposed to be the turtles connection to the outside world.The first human they attached to,a friend and at times a mother like figure. Her being able to fight well adds nothing to this role, it seems unnecessary when you have a ton of characters who are good fighters . There's also Leos point about April being too good of a person.

It can still work, you just have to change the setting a bit. Like I said in a previous post waaaaay back April and the Turtles can be at ends with each other think something along the lines of Early Gordon and Batman relationship. (lol I'm making the Bat parallels now) Eventually they come to commute together and if you don't want the Turtles killing April is a way for the Turtles to legally bust some of the bad guys.

[Ninturtle]

It can still work, you just have to change the setting a bit. Like I said in a previous post waaaaay back April and the Turtles can be at ends with each other think something along the lines of Early Gordon and Batman relationship. (lol I'm making the Bat parallels now) Eventually they come to commute together and if you don't want the Turtles killing April is a way for the Turtles to legally bust some of the bad guys.

Then the character would hardly feel like April, it's just too drastic and unnecessary of a change.

[BabyTurtles]

She can be an asset she just doesn't have to fight, part of April is that shes an ordinary person in extraordinary situation as Leo said earlier. Having her fight ninjas and mutants isn't something an ordinary person can be.

Why can't she be an ordinary cop that just happens to get mixed up with 4 mutants......It's not like she's trained to fight ninjas and mutants XD

And it's not like being a bioengineer (or whatever she was when she worked with Baxter) was exactly ordinary either....

(unless you mean when she was a reporter...)

like Technogeek29 said she can be at ends with them at first....like Gordon or like Yin from The Batman. I don't know...it just seems so much more interesting.

[Leo656]

But again, April is traditionally neither self-serving nor a bully, nor does she display an irrational hatred of men or a need to prove herself as "just as good" as they are. She's never displayed any of the personality traits that police officers typically do.

So again, by what logic would she even WANT to be a cop? She's never been written as having the personality for it. Not one bit. She's a Good Person, regardless of career. Cops, on the other hand...

For the sake of conversation I'll disregard the separate issue of, "It makes her too proactive and intimately involved in events that should have more to do with the Turtles than with her since it's their story and not hers", for the moment.

No offense, but it seems more like wishful thinking that your fanfiction ideas would influence canon, rather than what would actually make sense for April as a character. She'd have to be so completely different from a character and personality standpoint in order to be portrayed as a cop, that she may as well be an OC entirely by that point.

No offense, just sayin'. It's like, "Why not just make Lois Lane a cop?" Why not make her an astronaut, then? She's not, that's why not. These aren't just Changeable Hats that characters wear, what they do for a living is an extension of Who They Are as people. It's not always as simple as "Well, why can't _____ be a ____?"

[Ninturtle]

But again, April is traditionally neither self-serving nor a bully, nor does she display an irrational hatred of men or a need to prove herself as "just as good" as they are. She's never displayed any of the personality traits that police officers typically do.

So again, by what logic would she even WANT to be a cop? She's never been written as having the personality for it. Not one bit. She's a Good Person, regardless of career. Cops, on the other hand...

No offense, but it seems more like wishful thinking that your fanfiction ideas would influence canon, rather than what would actually make sense for April as a character. She'd have to be so completely different from a character and personality standpoint in order to be portrayed as a cop, that she may as well be an OC entirely by that point.

No offense, just sayin'.

It's hard to imagine April with the aggressive demeanor of a cop, honestly it just wouldn't work well.If you want a female cop sl badly then you'd be better off to make her a different character.

[Leo656]

And it ain't like this franchise has any shortage of side characters sucking up air and taking focus away from the Turtles, who are allegedly the most interesting thing about the premise, yet consistently have to fight to share time with a bunch of yahoos nobody asked for, am I right? What's another one? :trazz:

Do they have a friend who's a race car driver? Let's give the turtles a friend who's a race car driver, just because. That'd be neat. Or better, let's make CASEY a race car driver, on account of the fact that I, as a reader, am a huge fan of Speed Racer, which has nothing to do with TMNT, it's just something that would tickle me, personally. :trazz:

[Ninturtle]

And it ain't like this franchise has any shortage of side characters sucking up air and taking focus away from the Turtles, who are allegedly the most interesting thing about the premise, yet consistently have to fight to share time with a bunch of yahoos nobody asked for, am I right? What's another one? :trazz:

Isn't there a female cod in the new PD movie? She'll probably take a bit of time from the turtles too , if the first film is any indication.

[Technogeek29]

Then the character would hardly feel like April, it's just too drastic and unnecessary of a change.

That's a little weird to hear since April has been a Lab assistant, New Reporter, College student and most recently a highschooler.

[Powder]

That's a little weird to hear since April has been a Lab assistant, New Reporter, College student and most recently a highschooler.

All notable for their lack of authority & guns.

[BabyTurtles]

That's a little weird to hear since April has been a Lab assistant, New Reporter, College student and most recently a highschooler.

Yea..not like changing her a third time is gonna mess her up. (she feels kinda like a blank slate character to me anyway)

and to Leo....Lois and April are kinda different...

Superman doesn't need Lois's help.....

But the Turtles need April as a connection.....They need her help with things (not like they can trust many people)...same with Elisa and the Gargoyles....The Gargoyles NEED Elisa, she helps by telling them what's up with the help of her job as a cop....and since getting mixed up with the Gargoyles proves dangerous...she also has the skills to defend herself which she has done many times throughout the series.

The Turtles need April....and her being a cop would be very helpful for them. Like I said she would be able to fight and be able to keep track of all the crazy things going on in the city.

(Ignoring the whole bully cop thing....)

[Leo656]

Cops are bullies, though, soooo ignoring it because you don't think April Cop would "have to be" that way is silly. Yes she would have to be, because they all are. Again, Jobs are not Hats. For April to realistically be portrayed as a _______, she would need to have a personality that fits whatever that is. She's not a cop any more than she's a politician; she doesn't have the required Scumbag Gene for either, so you can't have her BE either of those things without changing her personality until she's a whole new character and not April. Get it?

I also seriously think you over-estimate April's importance. She's helpful. But I've never once, in any version of TMNT, gotten the feeling they'd be unable to function if she suddenly wasn't there. I think you're projecting that. She's an appendage; they'd be fine without her and It's NOT Her Story.

April is the Audience Avatar. She's the "normal person" reacting to the craziness and nonsense. Making her a reporter actually made perfect sense, because her job isn't to MAKE things happen, it's to TRANSLATE/REPORT events to the viewer/reader, either providing exposition or giving the kind of reaction we would give were we in her place That's it And that should be fine; even if she's not a reporter, she still shouldn't be put in a position to take focus away from the Turtles. Giving her ANY job where she's too much of a protagonist, and now she's a Main Character. And I don't care what anyone says, she's not SUPPOSED to be a Main Character, she's a "supporting character". She's not "The Fifth Turtle" and I wish I could find the person who came up with that nonsense in the first place, and explain to them at length why they're wrong.

But anyway, she doesn't need an "exotic" job or a job that puts her "in the middle of the action". That's not her role in the stories. "She should be a 'kick-butt' ______, because it gets her more involved!" Yeah, no, more like that's exactly why she should NOT be that, because she's become too involved in their story already, when you reach the point where you have people somehow supposing that the Turtles "Need" her. No, they don't. Their entire friendship on both sides is entirely about choice, not need. At best, she provides them with information and an occasional place to stay. That's fine. That's helpful. That also doesn't mean they couldn't function without her. April is in no way that important, in any universe.

I have no problem with April as a character. It's trying to make her too "Special", too "exotic", too involved with the Turtles story when THEY are supposed to be the focus, whether it's through her job or giving her a special ability or whatever, that I don't like. Again, that's why I liked her as a reporter in FW, in one of the few things they did I feel was an improvement over other versions. It gave her a perfect excuse to be involved "just enough", while still establishing firmly that she was a secondary character and not a protagonist.

[Candy Kappa]

Let me see if I can put it another way: April, as a person, is too good to be a cop.

Despite what cartoons and movies try to sell, people don't become cops to "protect people", because legally, they're not allowed to do anything in order to do so. That's not their function. Their function is, ostensibly, to penalize people only after any suspected wrongdoing has occurred. And even then, half the time they're just harassing people who "Seem suspicious." And in between, they write traffic tickets, based on a quota system designed to justify their salaries.

People typically become police officers because it's an easy path to respect; people have to treat you like a big shot, or else you might punish them for something they didn't do, because your word will always trump theirs, no matter what. Most often, they're people who didn't know what to do with themselves once they graduated high school and scoring sportsball points no longer made them a hero in the local community. So they transition from one position of false importance to another, because they have no idea how to get by if they're not making other people feel smaller and weaker than they are. They can't stuff nerds into lockers anymore, but they can still ruin someone's day by pulling them over for going 40 in a 35, potentially costing that person their only means of getting to work, and so on and so on. And now they get paid to be douchebags, instead of just doing it for free.

Cops are generally bullies and awful people, basically. Anyone who goes into a power-seeking type of job is fundamentally a bad person, because you have to be a bad person in order to want to bully, harass, and control people as a career.

I would prefer not to see April turn out that way. I frankly always saw her as being a lot better than that.

The American Police educational system is so ****ed up it's not even funny. 6 months or less in training depending on the State, and only high school graduation, maybe 2 years of College.

You basically don't even need to know the law to be a Officer of the Law...

[Leo656]

The American Police educational system is so ****ed up it's not even funny. 6 months or less in training depending on the State, and only high school graduation, maybe 2 years of College.

You basically don't even need to know the law to be a Officer of the Law...

80% of the job is traffic citations, the rest is detaining people for being brown in a location where it's inconvenient. And occasionally you arrest people for drugs and then pocket the drugs for personal use later. It's not exactly a job requiring Mensa-level intelligence. Like I said, it's mostly people who became Life Losers right after high school, couldn't get into the military for one reason or other, and had no place else to throw their weight around.

I have contempt for all figures of authority but police officers are especially loathsome. At best they're "just" bullies, but usually, they're also the biggest hypocrites on Earth. Drug addicts, wife-beaters, serial-adulterers, and THE most unashamedly racist people you'd ever meet outside of a nursing home.

Yeah, I don't see any of that in April. Nor do I want to. Blech.

[BabyTurtles]

I guess this is the part where we just agree to disagree then.

[Leo656]

Well, again, as I mentioned it seems more like you want your fanfic ideas to be canon, more than you're trying to think of something that would actually make sense for April as a character. It's more like you'd rather see "April" twisted around until she fits your idea. You didn't exactly try to argue or deny that, and "Well *I* think..." isn't justifying or clarifying, its just repeating the initial statement. All I and others were saying is that it's an idea that doesn't fit April whatsoever, therefore it's highly questionable.

Not trying to be mean, it's just the idea you've suggested doesn't make ANY sense at all for April's character. ANY version of April. So, either try and justify it more than, "I personally like the idea," or admit it's simply a flawed idea.

Honestly, I don't have a lot of respect for "agree to disagree". It's just a thing people say to avoid admitting they may have made a mistake. If a person can't own and justify their ideas, and isn't willing to try, then maybe they needed to give the idea more thought before putting it out there.

Nothing personal, just saying. Not trying to be mean or anything. I mean I've definitely heard way worse ideas. There's just too many things that make it not really work without changing April's entire personality, and that should never be the goal. You don't change the character to fit the story, you write the story in service to the character. That's basic.

[Technogeek29]

Forgot to add, in 2k7 April was a contracted Archaeologist.

[BabyTurtles]

Well, again, as I mentioned it seems more like you want your fanfic ideas to be canon, more than you're trying to think of something that would actually make sense for April as a character. It's more like you'd rather see "April" twisted around until she fits your idea. You didn't exactly try to argue or deny that, and "Well *I* think..." isn't justifying or clarifying, its just repeating the initial statement. All I and others were saying is that it's an idea that doesn't fit April whatsoever, therefore it's highly questionable.

Not trying to be mean, it's just the idea you've suggested doesn't make ANY sense at all for April's character. ANY version of April. So, either try and justify it more than, "I personally like the idea," or admit it's simply a flawed idea.

Honestly, I don't have a lot of respect for "agree to disagree". It's just a thing people say to avoid admitting they may have made a mistake. If a person can't own and justify their ideas, and isn't willing to try, then maybe they needed to give the idea more thought before putting it out there.

Nothing personal, just saying. Not trying to be mean or anything. I mean I've definitely heard way worse ideas. There's just too many things that make it not really work without changing April's entire personality, and that should never be the goal. You don't change the character to fit the story, you write the story in service to the character. That's basic.

No, I didn't make a mistake, I gave my points and I think they were valid.

but I know you aren't going to budge and have your own perfect idea of April yourself so I said agree to disagree because we both have our on view on this matter.

Also I disagree with you, I see no problem with changing a character in order for them to become a better asset to a story.

...You know what I don't like about you Leo? You think you figured everything out, you think you know what's better or something. It's a bit annoying. :ohwell:

Look...we are literally getting nowhere...so I think we are done.

[Leo656]

Forgot to add, in 2k7 April was a contracted Archaeologist.

Yeah, what was up with that? :lol: "Story says so"." Meh, I don't buy it. Never previously established in any version that her character had any passion, nor even understanding, of archaeology.

I'm getting the sense that the "modern" breed of writers aren't being taught that you need to justify your creative choices. Especially when adapting someone else's work, making changes to someone else's established characters. "It's just different this time" is NEVER supposed to be a good enough reason, and yet, it's something I've seeing/hearing more and more. And it's directly opposite of everything I learned over several years of writing classes. So color me confused.

[Technogeek29]

Yeah, what was up with that? :lol: "Story says so"." Meh, I don't buy it. Never previously established in any version that her character had any passion, nor even understanding, of archaeology.

I'm getting the sense that the "modern" breed of writers aren't being taught that you need to justify your creative choices. Especially when adapting someone else's work, making changes to someone else's established characters. "It's just different this time" is NEVER supposed to be a good enough reason, and yet, it's something I've seeing/hearing more and more. And it's directly opposite of everything I learned over several years of writing classes. So color me confused.

Took The Antique Store And Built Upon It I Guess? Also The April Cop Thing Ill Have To Find A Way To Sell It To Ya Like Girl Scout Cookies. You Promise You Wouldn't Buy Them But then What Happen.

[Leo656]

No, I didn't make a mistake, I gave my points and I think they were valid.

but I know you aren't going to budge and have your own perfect idea of April yourself so I said agree to disagree because we both have our on view on this matter.

Also I disagree with you, I see no problem with changing a character in order for them to become a better asset to a story. That's basic.

...You know what I don't like about you Leo? You think you figured everything out, you think you know what's better or something. It's a bit annoying. :ohwell:

Look...we are literally getting nowhere...so I think we are done.

Wow, that escalated in a hurry. Okay, I'll bite.

You're wrong. Changing an established character to suit your story, because you don't know how to make the established character "work" is BAD WRITING. It's lazy and narcissistic. It implies you know "better", that your ideas are "better", than what's already been established. Again, I know we've both written fan works, but how many classes have you taken as far as writing goes, compared to me? I'm genuinely curious. My "opinions" are based on what I was taught by people accredited to teach the art of creative writing. Whereas - no offense - but it seems like a lot of your ideas are mostly things you personally would like to see, rather than what actually makes sense for a given storyline or set of characters.

You know what I don't like about YOU, since you decided to go there? You can never admit that you're just plain incorrect about something, and end up making things a much bigger deal than they have to be. It's more than "a bit annoying". More than a few people, not just me, explained why "April as a cop" isn't an idea that works terribly well for April The Character. You like the idea, you've argued (weakly) in favor of the idea... but it doesn't change the fact that it only works if you change April's entire personality, character, and motivations, until she isn't "April" anymore. And again, that's not how this "writing" thing is typically supposed to work. It'd be an interesting Elsewords story where "everything is different", but it doesn't work at all with what's been established for any canon version of the character or her personality/motivations. I was trying to be nice about it, as were others. You don't like being incorrect, you don't like that other people immediately saw it as a flimsy premise, so you make it all about me, like I was the only one who poked a hole in your balloon. That's petty, and it betrays your immaturity and hyper-sensitivity, that you can't handle people pointing out the logical fallacies in a simple idea. Nobody was even being mean or snarky about it. You just went and called me a dick because I explained what's wrong with your idea. Nice.

You're a nice kid, sincerely, but you need to grow up, sister. Nobody was putting you down.

[Candy Kappa]

80% of the job is traffic citations, the rest is detaining people for being brown in a location where it's inconvenient. And occasionally you arrest people for drugs and then pocket the drugs for personal use later. It's not exactly a job requiring Mensa-level intelligence. Like I said, it's mostly people who became Life Losers right after high school, couldn't get into the military for one reason or other, and had no place else to throw their weight around.

I have contempt for all figures of authority but police officers are especially loathsome. At best they're "just" bullies, but usually, they're also the biggest hypocrites on Earth. Drug addicts, wife-beaters, serial-adulterers, and THE most unashamedly racist people you'd ever meet outside of a nursing home.

Yeah, I don't see any of that in April. Nor do I want to. Blech.

I guess that's what happens when the education for becoming a cop is the same as a mall security guard.

At least where I live Police School is a Bachelor/Master degree, plus you have to have pretty good grades from our "high school/Secondary School" equivalent, and pass a physical and mental exam just to be considered to enter Police School. And you have to be 20 to enroll the school, so there's plenty of time doing the Mandatory Military Service.


As for April being a cop. While I do kinda like that idea, and she could be utilized like Elisa from Gargoyles. I imagine her gun would continuously be taken away from her in combat situations against the Foot, and she'd either learn "Ninjutsu" after all or just do whatever fisticuffs she knew from her police training anyway, and then lose cause Ninjas rules the martial arts yo. Takes a ninjas to kill a ninjas.

[Leo656]

It would also be nice if people could have something other than a show I never watched in order to make this comparison work. :trazz: I never watched Gargoyles so the idea of turning April into a version of this Elisa person holds no intrigue for me. Plus the stuff you said.

Like I said, I've heard worse ideas, for sure, definitely, but it's nonetheless way harder to make it plausible than it would be to simply do something else, something that wouldn't require turning April into a completely different person. Like you could simply take "reporter" and make it relevant in a modern setting. Like someone who runs a whistle-blowers underground blog or something. Or maybe she works in a science lab but her hobby is investigative journalism and she runs a blog dealing with "Strange Events" like sewer alligators, Bigfoot, and junk like that. I mean, again, it's less about the actual job she performs, and more about A. Does this role fit the character/motivation/personality of April as we know her, and B. Can she be effective in this role without becoming an "equal" to the Turtles or overshadowing them?

That's what it's about. If it's not organic, if you have to do too much "tinkering" to justify it, then it's just not a good fit. Like when they tried in the '70s to make Clark Kent a TV reporter. They figured, "Close enough, and plus it's Modern!" But then they realized, wait, having to be on camera constantly both makes Clark The Guy stand out way too much, but having to be on-camera in his day job at strictly-set times made it way too difficult for him to effectively function as Superman. So, inevitably, they made him a newspaper reporter again, because Why Fix What Ain't Broke, When Fixing Made It Worse?

That's about it, really.

[Kingoji]

That's a little weird to hear since April has been a Lab assistant, New Reporter, College student and most recently a highschooler.


Let's not forget Antiques curator.

[srmff]

I find it unfair to generalise and call all cops bullies. My neighbour is a cop and my dad has known him since he was a child. He's a lovely fellow and always helps my dad with making the silage during the summer when he has time off work. He doesn't have a sense of superiority about him either. When my brother didn't know what he wanted to become, the cop joked that if he doesn't do well in the exams, he can always become a cop. Recently I had to speak to a cop about a sensitive issue and she was very sympathetic and understanding about the situation. There is a selection process to determine if people have the necessary qualities. My cousin is waiting for the next opportunity to become a cop and he's shy and quiet but he's tall and has the build to seem intimidating. He's in no way arrogant.

Maybe I'm naive but I believe that the majority of people who go on to become a police officer, do it for the right reasons. They want to keep people safe and that requires arresting people so they don't commit more crimes. People are stopped for speeding because it can endanger their lives and others. It's not unfair. Rules are there for a reason. Of course there are going to be people that can take advantage of that power, take bribes, be corrupt, etc. but I believe that they're in the minority. That occurs in every profession. Corruption is in no way exclusive to police officers.

The idea to have April be a guard isn't that bad either. It serves a similar function as the news reporter since it allows her to know about crimes and let the turtles know about it. The problem is that she should deal with the problem rather than encouraging vigilantes to solve it. At the same time, the turtles aren't exactly vigilantes who deal with robbers and murderers but are more concerned with the Foot and don't go out looking for people to save. They fight the Foot, Kraang and mutants because they're connected to them. They feel responsible for the amount of mutants. The Foot is just targeting them. In that sense her job as a police offer doesn't serve much of a purpose. It would only cause April to have more stories about her own problems with crime and distract from the turtles. So yeah . . . the more I think about, it doesn't sound like a great idea.

I don't think April should be a cop, not because of her personality, but I don't think that her job would fit in with the turtles' lives. I mean, reporter April seemed to be very ambitious and not in the best way. In the first few episodes, it felt like she using them for a story and didn't care if it was at their expense.

Back on topic, I don't mind her powers. I don't believe her powers serve as a deus ex machina. When she brought back Splinter when he had become rat-like, the others could have done it, like the way they did when he was under the control of the Rat King. When her powers pushed over Shredder, it didn't really do anything. It wasn't like he'd do much else after killing Splinter. When she found that button using her powers in Riddles of the Ancient Aeons, the others could have found it themselves eventually. They could have found it by accident, just like they set off traps by accident.

[BabyTurtles]

Wow, that escalated in a hurry. Okay, I'll bite.

You're wrong. Changing an established character to suit your story, because you don't know how to make the established character "work" is BAD WRITING. It's lazy and narcissistic. It implies you know "better", that your ideas are "better", than what's already been established. Again, I know we've both written fan works, but how many classes have you taken as far as writing goes, compared to me? I'm genuinely curious. My "opinions" are based on what I was taught by people accredited to teach the art of creative writing. Whereas - no offense - but it seems like a lot of your ideas are mostly things you personally would like to see, rather than what actually makes sense for a given storyline or set of characters.

You know what I don't like about YOU, since you decided to go there? You can never admit that you're just plain incorrect about something, and end up making things a much bigger deal than they have to be. It's more than "a bit annoying". More than a few people, not just me, explained why "April as a cop" isn't an idea that works terribly well for April The Character. You like the idea, you've argued (weakly) in favor of the idea... but it doesn't change the fact that it only works if you change April's entire personality, character, and motivations, until she isn't "April" anymore. And again, that's not how this "writing" thing is typically supposed to work. It'd be an interesting Elsewords story where "everything is different", but it doesn't work at all with what's been established for any canon version of the character or her personality/motivations. I was trying to be nice about it, as were others. You don't like being incorrect, you don't like that other people immediately saw it as a flimsy premise, so you make it all about me, like I was the only one who poked a hole in your balloon. That's petty, and it betrays your immaturity and hyper-sensitivity, that you can't handle people pointing out the logical fallacies in a simple idea. Nobody was even being mean or snarky about it. You just went and called me a dick because I explained what's wrong with your idea. Nice.

You're a nice kid, sincerely, but you need to grow up, sister. Nobody was putting you down.

Sorry I still don't believe I'm wrong....:ohwell: On April at least. I still don't see the problem with changing her character.

and I don't mind being wrong XD the only thing I'm passionate about is racial diversity which you just happen to keep debating with me about. I won't EVER budge on that subject.

But you are right I was being completely insensitive and I apologize for calling you a know it all.

Still sometimes you come off as that smart aleck person and it does feel like you think you are right most of the time.....Which makes it hard for me to respond back politely. Maybe It's just the way I end up reading your posts though. Either way it still it doesn't excuse my behavior and I'll try to be more mature from now on.

[oldmanwinters]

All notable for their lack of authority & guns.

Don't tell that to action figure April... "the gutsiest gal to every gather news." :tlol:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y169/adamwinters/AprilGun_zpsdspjjuay.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/adamwinters/media/AprilGun_zpsdspjjuay.jpg.html)
"Ages 4 and Up" they say...

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y169/adamwinters/100_2149_zpsgtfpagzx.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/adamwinters/media/100_2149_zpsgtfpagzx.jpg.html)
"Scoop ya," indeed. :trolleye:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Well, I'm late to the party.

Leo, I agree with you a lot of times, but go a little easier on Babyturtles. The problem is, you're looking at April as an ideal and Babyturtles is looking at April as a template.

I agree with your ideal of April and wish we'd get more of "April, just a regular Jane" but that doesn't ever get used much. When it does, it's always the least memorable Aprils: examples, Mirage (pre Volume 4), 4Kids, and IDW. Unfortunately, the best April does tend to be least memorable.

On the other hand, you have reporter in Fred Wolf (the best diversion from the "regular Jane") and now psychic alien teenager.

April as a cop would make a pretty cool "Elseworlds" story, and is actually something I came up with as well; a sort of Noir 20's TMNT idea, where April is a private-eye and Casey a police detective.

SHOULD April be a policewoman? Probably not. But COULD April work as a policewoman? Yes, she could. And it'd be a much better version of April than the Mary Sue Teenager that Nick created.

[Kingoji]

Maybe a forensic scientist... take the researcher backstory and skew it in a way that places her in similar situations being a reporter might, ie, scenes of crimes or unexplained occurances. Then she finds a way to scientifically and logically cover up for the Turtles, who are training her in ninjutsu on the side.
And since she grew up with her antique-store owning dad, she's something of an expert on the subject.
She's also part alien and a latent telepath. Everyone goes home happy.

[Candy Kappa]

Forensic Scientist would be a neat idea actually.

But, she needs sunglasses. "YEAAAAAAH!"

[BabyTurtles]

oooh! Forensic scientist does sound cool ^_^

[turtle1237]

This April is just like Venus from TNM. They both have powers that could save the day, well Venus is better at her powers than April at the movement.
But it was hard watching the turtles take a back seat time and again, for them to lose and have to relie on Super powers Venus to save the day with her mind. It was awful.

I like the show, but having April have pretty much the same powers as that female turtle, kinda of brings back bad TNM memories.

[Leo656]

People need to stop putting words in my mouth or trying to tell me what I think. All it does is prove people don't pay attention to what I've actually said.

For one thing, my view of April has nothing to do with any "ideal", she's one of the characters I don't really think should matter all that much, because the story isn't ABOUT her. Frankly, you could write her out of TMNT completely and I'd be pretty "Meh" about it. She's already become too ingrained into the stories, which was never by design, to the point where even the movies aren't about TMNT, they're about April, which is retarded. So no, I absolutely don't have an "ideal" of a character I barely care about, who should only be a background character to begin with. Truthfully, part of why her career isn't the most important thing is because APRIL herself is barely important.

What I'm arguing for is a consistent portrayal of the character, not just giving her a New Hat and saying that's her career if it doesn't fit her. Which means that you can't just say, "Make a character ______" when it doesn't fit their personality as-presented in the existing material. That's it. And in NO version of April that's ever been presented, has she ever displayed a single character trait that shows she would even aspire to be a cop, fireman, astronaut, cowboy, crossing guard, stripper, adult film actress, trash collector.... nada. None of those things fit her character as we know her already. And career aside, she's been fairly consistently-portrayed in most versions. You can't just take someone who has been written consistently to behave a certain way and completely re-write them until they suit something you made up in your head. That is - I'm sorry - Amateur Fan-Fic Hour type stuff. When you work on an established character/property, your job is to respect and expand on what's been established, not twist and bend it until it fits your imagination. Not if it's completely contradictory. "Hey! Let's make Clark Kent a United States Marine!" "Why? It doesn't fit his character at all." "But it's DIFFERENT and blah blah blah." Yeah, no, things don't work like that.

Again, maybe people nowadays are taught writing in a different way than I was, but I stand by what I was taught. That if you have to rewrite established things to suit your headcanon, then you shouldn't be trying to adapt other people's work. If you can't work within "the lines" then you're better off coming up with your own characters and stories, because if your "new" version only works by disregarding what's established, then it's now an OC. The "rules" are completely different for working on an established property, compared to working on an original story/character. I didn't invent that. Fact is, it's specifically why a lot of talented writers won't ever work on an established IP.

Really not complicated. Look, I used to write fanfic, too, and the difference is I'm well aware which stuff I wrote was self-congratulatory nonsense that would have no place in established canon, and I'm not saying my ideas would have any place in canon because they don't. I set up a universe specifically where those ideas would work, so of course they worked in that universe, but they'd make Zero sense in Mirage.... or FW... or 2K3... and so on. Thus, I'm not saying, "You know what would be great?" and insisting my fanfic ideas make it into established canon. I'm not THAT arrogant, for starters.

So, let's recap. 1. A desire to see a consistent portrayal of a character, who doesn't have an entirely new personality/character traits every time someone writes her. 2. A desire for peoples' fanfic ideas to stay far away from canon. Nope, nothing in there about "April as an ideal". Reading Comprehension, folks. Pay attention before you start jumping my sh*t, you might actually learn something.

Probably NOT, with this group, but hey, I can dream.

[BabyTurtles]

Well to tell you the truth Leo it doesn't really matter THAT much to me if the cop is April XD I just thought it would be an interesting idea.

so I guess an entirely new character wouldn't be a bad idea.

If there was ever another reboot I think it would still be cool to see the turtles struggle with getting out of trouble with a police detective that is constantly on their tails.

But...again my own opinion....my own imagination for TMNT.

[Leo656]

Well I like that concept but not with April in that role. But having a character like that in the stories fits well with their universe. I just think it would work at its best with a different character rather than April. But I like the idea itself, there's a lot one can do with it. It could be a cop, private investigator, government "X-Files"-type person investigating strange phenomenon... lots of stuff you can do with that idea, the basic idea that there's "someone" out there trying to piece together what's going on with these "creatures" that suddenly showed up and all the strangeness that follows their every appearance. And maybe their motivations are shady. Maybe they start as an antagonist, and later become a loose ally, or maybe they don't.

Lot of fertile ground there, for sure.

[BabyTurtles]

Well I like that concept but not with April in that role. But having a character like that in the stories fits well with their universe. I just think it would work at its best with a different character rather than April. But I like the idea itself, there's a lot one can do with it. It could be a cop, private investigator, government "X-Files"-type person investigating strange phenomenon... lots of stuff you can do with that idea, the basic idea that there's "someone" out there trying to piece together what's going on with these "creatures" that suddenly showed up and all the strangeness that follows their every appearance. And maybe their motivations are shady. Maybe they start as an antagonist, and later become a loose ally, or maybe they don't.

Lot of fertile ground there, for sure.

That would be cool ^_^ Wish it was a thing.