Official Episode Discussion S4 Ep 7: Arena Of Carnage

[victory_angel]

So here we are...the creme dela creme of the Turtles in Space Arc. The Turtles in the Triceraton Arena.

Journey to the Center of Mikey's Mind hinted that the Turtles were wanting the schematics for the Triceraton Mother Ship to they could sneek inside and get that piece of the Heart of Darkness that the Triceraton's obtained.

And today we are seeing the results of that as they are captured and thrown into the fight for their very lives.


http://49.media.tumblr.com/0b59b485409eb6c554b38bf9d17d2171/tumblr_o1db7vC0YM1r2nvplo9_500.gif

From the sneek peak we know that Zanramon and the Spasmosaur will make an appearance.

http://49.media.tumblr.com/ef61045309c92734a2257110b4d09be7/tumblr_o1db7vC0YM1r2nvplo8_500.gif

Perhaps we may see Traximus and/or Monza Ram as well. We will just have to wait and watch.

[Vicky82]

Its now up on I Tunes

I've seen a spoiler

Traximus is in this episode

Also if any Mods still alive out there, can you sticky this thread please.

[cookie jar]

Its now up on I Tunes

I've seen a spoiler

Traximus is in this episode

Also if any Mods still alive out there, can you sticky this thread please.

Actually they change something.

His name is not Traximus, but Zeno.

[Vicky82]

Actually they change something.

His name is not Traximus, but Zeno.

Oh right, that's different.

I wonder why the name change. Maybe Nick are going to use Traximus for something else. Or maybe IDW are going to use him at some point and asked Nick to give him different name.

[Icebot]

Awesome episode!

Who knows, maybe Zeno is just a nickname, his real name could be Traximus. Just a thought.

[Ninjinister]

If'n his name ain't Traximus, he ain't Traximus.

[Kingoji]

Could be a question of copyright. Maybe the rights to the name expired and Nick were unable to resecure them. Happens all the time in Transformers, and believe me, it doesn't stop a character from being a character.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Is that Michael Ironside voicing the Triceraton King?

[GoldMutant]

Balloonality! :lol:

Let's see if we get an actual good story for once this season, the Triceraton arena episodes never fail. It can't be that bad, right? :ohwell:

[saintsaucey]

The most over used trope in syfy tv series. The heroes fighting in an arena of illegal games and being trained by the person they end up fighting.

[MikeandRaph87]

Is that Michael Ironside voicing Prime Leader Zandramon?

Saintsaucy, I said the same thing when the episode started. Nowvall three TMNT cartoons have an episode surrounding the premise granted 2003 and 2012 are adapting the same thing in its own way.

[Aaronardo]

Can it be? An actually good episode of season 4? Hell, even Casey is a good character here! Let's hope the third act doesn't butcher things. But so far, this is miles better than the 4kids version of this story.

[ObiWanFan4life]

That hammer should have snapped Donnie's neck.

[Vicky82]

Oh my god, that episode was awesome :D

[Aaronardo]

Well, I'm glad to say I didn't speak too soon. This is the best episode of season 4 so far without a doubt and the first true win of the season. Great episode!

[lonewarrior20]

i enjoyed it. aprils getting stronger. kinda thought that there'd be four triceritons but one giant one was great too.

[cookie jar]

Well they have now the first piece of black hole generator. Let's see how things will unfold further. The episode was ok.

[Ninturtle]

Well, I'm glad to say I didn't speak too soon. This is the best episode of season 4 so far without a doubt and the first true win of the season. Great episode!

The shows has a record of starting of the season weak and then getting way better at another point, last season it was episode 8 this season it's episode 7.

[pannoni1]

One of the better episodes of the season. We start out with a good '90s-style fighting game with classic video game sound effects, and it flows through right to the arena with the battles, a piece of the Heart of Darkness, and a good way to escape, and we now got this series' version of a Battle Nexus. Even if this isn't the most creative idea, it still had wonderful action, especially with Zeno's sudden hammer attacks. I was scared that Donnie might have gotten swallowed up and could have done a Shreddered and Splintered-style escape, but I'm glad he found another way to do it.

Show grade: 8/10

[GoldMutant]

I have to admit, I'm honestly surprised this season finally gives a good episode; putting aside The Outlaw Armaggon! as a personal bias, damn a good episode. Only one main problem though, did anyone feel this episode was a little rushed? The Spasmosaur and the Zeno fights honestly were done a little too quickly plus April and the crystal. Maybe I can go critical later, but for now I'm honestly a satisfied person, though I wish we got a two parter, that would have been awesome.

Also, I believe that was John DiMaggio as Zeno and Zanaramon I'm unsure on. If anyone can correct that or bring it up, thanks. I give it at least a 7 out of 10 overall.

[Powder]

Very solid.

[xenopokemon]

Spasmosaur.. even though I haven't seen the 2003 series, I can already tell that its design was way better and more terrifying than this one. It's like every time there needs to be a new monster or creature, they give it a multitude of eyes, arms and mouths.

I enjoyed the episode, hope we get to see Zeno more.

But I hope that we get to see Lord Dregg and Armaggon even more.

8/10.

[Vicky82]

IGN review up

8.0

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2016/01/24/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-the-arena-of-carnage-review

[Sabacooza]

I have to agree with most everyone here. It was a good episode. However, I would've liked to see this be a two parter like Goldmutant said so we could have the arena fights be a bit longer.

[OrangeNinja1987]

Great episode. Easily the best of season 4.
Suprisingly, both Mikey and Casey were done well.
Loved the action and the whole episode, but Fugitoid takes the cake.
"Booyakasha!" :lol:
8.5/10 for me.

[MikeandRaph87]

One of the better episodes of the season. We start out with a good '90s-style fighting game with classic video game sound effects, and it flows through right to the arena with the battles, a piece of the Heart of Darkness, and a good way to escape, and we now got this series' version of a Battle Nexus. Even if this isn't the most creative idea, it still had wonderful action, especially with Zeno's sudden hammer attacks. I was scared that Donnie might have gotten swallowed up and could have done a Shreddered and Splintered-style escape, but I'm glad he found another way to do it.

Show grade: 8/10

Battle Nexus? No, it was the Triceraton arena, the traditional intergalactic gladiatorial arena.

http://basementrejects.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-season-2-4-turtles-in-space-the-arena-donatello-leonardo-raphael-michelangelo-triceraton-tmnt-2003.jpg

So is Zeno Traximus by another name?

[wpugh2424]

1/24/16 TMNT episode:
I am unfamiliar with Zeno
But the character to me is the same as Traximus
If someone wants to educate me I am all ears
Good day

[kelligrafie]

Someone on tumblr claiming that the series has gone downhill ever since Seth Green joined the cast. Because obviously the replacement of a voice actor with another has a massive impact on how the show is actually made. :roll:

[TigerClaw]

Finally watched the episode, It was pretty good, loved the Mortal Kombat reference.

Finish Him!

Balloonality

[Aaronardo]

Finish Him!

Balloonality

That was one of the most legit funny jokes this show has done in such a long time :lol:

[IndigoErth]

Pretty good one. Everyone had some good moments and pretty much enjoyed the whole thing. Only minor complaint is Nick's preference for one episode per topic of choice (sans the underlying story), wouldn't have minded seeing the Arena thing lasting for two and feel a little less rushed to get them through it and on to the next thing.

[The Happy One]

Well, that was quite an enjoyable episode! Though, as I believe Goldmutant said, I wish it was a two-parter so that they could go a little more in depth with the arena and a little more time with Zeno (Traximus???)
Either way, it was by far, in my opinion, the best episode so far!

Peter, as usual, delivered in this episode and I think, besides the element of the arena, what I loved the best was the spot on characterization. To me, nothing felt forced and the dialogue exchange between the guys, April, Fugitiod and the Triceritons they encountered along the way seemed pretty good:tthumbsu:

What I'm really liking so far this season is the good use of April and her powers. It seems every episode her abilities are progressing and while they're not the focal point of the eps, they sure remind us here and there that 'yes, she has powers and, yes, we plan on using them'. Also in this episode I noticed they toned Casey down a bit- he was still...Casey but he did seem generally better than these past few episodes so..y'know..that's a plus.
And of course I loved the simulation in the beginning and the Street Fighter references that came along with :lol:

Looking forward to seeing 'the new A-team' pair up with Don and Raph some time, too...that should be neat.

So, yeah, other than wishing this was a little longer...it sure did impress me, especially since they managed to get the next piece, finally.
8/10:tthumbsu:
Nice episode to watch after digging myself out of three feet of snow, I'll tell ya that:lol:

[Foombamaroom]

I'm with everyone else. This should've been a two-parter.

Just a little concerned why they needed to change Traximus' name to Zeno?

[oldmanwinters]

Glad to see they are already running with the April/Soulstar fragment storyline. She looked pretty cool when she was glowing blue in the vacuum of space.

Question #1
At what point did Donatello & Raphael decide to become "the new A team?"

Question #2
Does that mean Leonardo and Michelangelo are now most comfortable working together as well?

Question #3
Even for a Triceraton, Zemo was HUGE. How did their proud warrior civilization not make him leader by default?

Question #4
But what was that big old thing hanging off Zemo's right shoulder?

[neatoman]

So Zeno has the same role as Traximus, same backstory as Traximus, same personality as Traximus and a similar design to Traximus... Why isn't he called Traximus?

[Ninturtle]

So Zeno has the same role as Traximus, same backstory as Traximus, same personality as Traximus and a similar design to Traximus... Why isn't he called Traximus?

I know Nick has characters they're legally not allowed to use, maybe Traximus is one of them.

[TLP]

When the Turtles are introduced to the arena and Zeno is about to squish the alien....I definitely think they edited out a sickening crunch sound. (Ya know...Nickelodeon.) Because it just cuts to the score monitor without much noise.

So Zeno has the same role as Traximus, same backstory as Traximus, same personality as Traximus and a similar design to Traximus... Why isn't he called Traximus?

Probably keeping with the tradition of having all the other Triceratons' names in this continuity starting with the letter "Z".

[neatoman]

I know Nick has characters they're legally not allowed to use, maybe Traximus is one of them.

Does anyone know who some of these characters are?

Probably keeping with the tradition of having all the other Triceratons' names in this continuity starting with the letter "Z".

Well, Mozar has a "Z" in it but doesn't start with it. If they really just wanted a "Z" in there, how about "Traximuz"?

[TLP]

Does anyone know who some of these characters are?

Flaming Carrot and Usagi Yojimbo, to name a few.

Well, Mozar has a "Z" in it but doesn't start with it. If they really just wanted a "Z" in there, how about "Traximuz"

Ah, I forgot about Mozar.

[neatoman]

Flaming Carrot and Usagi Yojimbo, to name a few.


Well duh, obviously crossover characters like those can't be used, nobody is expecting Batman or the Ghostbusters to be in an episode. I want to know which characters created for TMNT can't be used.

[Powder]

Well duh, obviously crossover characters like those can't be used, nobody is expecting Batman or the Ghostbusters to be in an episode. I want to know which characters created for TMNT can't be used.

At the absolute least, Bloodsucker & The Terror Bears. Maybe Ninjara, not sure on her.

[MikeandRaph87]

Well duh, obviously crossover characters like those can't be used, nobody is expecting Batman or the Ghostbusters to be in an episode. I want to know which characters created for TMNT can't be used.

Any made for the 1985 role playing game or human characters from the three live-action films from the 90s'. Outside of that Bloosucker because thevwriter of the arc in Mirage volume one refused the amout of payment for royalties or Mirage or Viacom giving him a paych3ck for the rights.That is not to say we could get Tatsu as a character, but call him Matsui. That is the only loss of the small lot IMHO.

[CyberCubed]

So all 4 major Triceratons have now debuted in Nick:

- Zog (end of Season 3)
- Commander Mozar
- Leader Zangraman
- Zeno (Traximus)

[thundermaster612]

I think its cool, seeing that instead of using an old character they made a new one. Lately they've just been reusing (Dregg, Bellybomb, weird Neutrinos) although I am glad they brought in Armaggon, one thing I find weird is when Zeno is fighting the turtles he literally almost kills them yet they take no damage, after what happened to splinter and the damage they took from Shredder in The Gauntlet, I think they can do better with realism.

[TLP]

Considering how God Mode Shredder is, I imagine he could take down the likes of Zeno.

[Xav]

Just a little concerned why they needed to change Traximus' name to Zeno?Also why did they rename Zanramon, Zanmoran?

[saintsaucey]

Anyone else have trouble not singing the power rangers zeo theme while watching the episode. I know the name was zeno but still.

[MikeandRaph87]

Anyone else have trouble not singing the power rangers zeo theme while watching the episode. I know the name was zeno but still.

No, but it did remind me of this.

http://iv1.lisimg.com/image/525975/600full-power-rangers-zeo-screenshot.jpg

Btw, who voiced Zandramon?

[TLP]

No, but it did remind me of this.

http://iv1.lisimg.com/image/525975/600full-power-rangers-zeo-screenshot.jpg

Btw, who voiced Zandramon?

Definitely Michael Ironside.

[MikeandRaph87]

Definitely Michael Ironside.

That is what I thought. I heard DCAU Darkseid, but I could not find confirmation on IMDB or elsewhere.

[THGhost]

"Adolescent Alien Warrior Terrapins" :lol:

Pretty good episode, been waiting for the arena battle since the season began. I would have preferred a 2 or 3 part episode though, have the Turtles go up against more adversaries.

Loved the hologram sequence, more of that please.

Is that Michael Ironside voicing the Triceraton King?

Yep, recognised him immediately.

My favourite Mikey moment:

[TurtleTitan97]

Another good episode. Would have liked to have seen more battles in the arena though.

[CyberCubed]

Another good episode. Would have liked to have seen more battles in the arena though.

See the 4kids incarnation for that.

[THGhost]

See the 4kids incarnation for that.

Way ahead of you.

[Splinter the boss]

I just finished watching it. That was awesome, it had great fight scenes and introduced new characters such as Zeno and The Emperor. Zeno was funny to me, and the Emperor was being like an emperor. Sure, there were some things that weren't addressed like how the Emperor knew of the turtles, but it's okay. I just wish I saw Splinter teach the turtles that meditative breathing technique.

Mikey was disgusting in this episode, but was friendly toward Zeno which might have contributed to him not crushing the turtles.
The first fight of the turtles against the spasmosaur was too fast, I wish they suffered a little bit.

I totally liked April this episode. She is getting better with her powers thanks to the stone. She is not going to be saving the day like she did a couple of times.

Besides cited issues above , definitely the best episode of the season for now.

[Zak The Neutrino]

I got done watching this about an hour ago. I agree with most here that this was a pretty good episode. I've been one that has been very disappointed in this season so far but this episode has slightly renewed my faith.

[Technogeek29]

While I enjoyed the is episode 3 minor complaints.
-Why did they name him Zeno when it couldn't be more obvious its Traxximus?
-Why did they change Zanramon's name?
-The fight against Spamosaur was both too easy and too short. Too much build up for something anti-climatic.

[shredder orokusaki]

It was great! It was a better adaption than the 2003 series in my opinion. Also liked the mortal kombat reference. They must be another MK reference where i wll fight the turtles and do a real fatality not that stupid kiddy ballonality.

[Splinter the boss]

-Why did they name him Zeno when it couldn't be more obvious its Traxximus?
-Why did they change Zanramon's name?


Perhaps they didn't want to make it seem they were drawing too much from the 2003 toon. The plot was pretty much the same.

[JH24]

Best episode of this season so far for me personally. The episode flowed very well, and except for that anti-climactic fight against spasmosaur, the rest was very well done. The fight against Zeno was great, loved the hologram fight, the scene in the airlock was intense (although the breathing scene came slightly out of nowhere), and I liked how April and Casey played an important role as well.


The turtles dropping their weapons and appealing to Zeno's sense of honor was a very nice touch instead of just beating him.

[VaughnMichael]

Not my favorite episode this season but I did like a few things like Mikeys fried calamari comment :lol:
I'm glad they got the part and the story can move forward.

[drgon78]

I really enjoyed the episode though I wish it was two parter.

[Redworld96]

Peter Di Cicco has answered the question about the Traximus-Zeno change name:

https://twitter.com/TMNTMaster/status/691748870049542144

[CyberCubed]

I don't believe him. Its the same character with a different name.

[neatoman]

Peter Di Cicco has answered the question about the Traximus-Zeno change name:

https://twitter.com/TMNTMaster/status/691748870049542144

So could Zeno and Traximus potentially co-exist then?

[NoName999]

Best episode of the season.

Zeno should have been called Traximus though because duh.

And if they wanted to add a z:

Zraximus
Trazimus
Traximuz

Oh well though

Perhaps they didn't want to make it seem they were drawing too much from the 2003 toon. The plot was pretty much the same.

How many 80s toon reference have there been again? Compared 03 references which consist of... Bishop and Hun? :P

[Technogeek29]

Perhaps they didn't want to make it seem they were drawing too much from the 2003 toon. The plot was pretty much the same.

Best episode of the season.

Zeno should have been called Traximus though because duh.

And if they wanted to add a z:

Zraximus
Trazimus
Traximuz

Oh well though



How many 80s toon reference have there been again? Compared 03 references which consist of... Bishop and Hun? :P
Beat me to it.

[Mini-Turtle]

To start, I REALLY liked the "Turtle Combat" at the very start! Shades of Tournament Fighters! Great to finally see the Triceraton Emperor, not to mention use of the Sun Stone pendant. Of course, I also got a kick out of Honeycutt shouting Booyakasha!

[ssjup81]

Best episode of the season.

Zeno should have been called Traximus though because duh.

And if they wanted to add a z:

Zraximus
Trazimus
Traximuz

Oh well though

How many 80s toon reference have there been again? Compared 03 references which consist of... Bishop and Hun? :PThey've reimagined characters and used some places (Dimension X), but I don't think they've used actual plots from the OT. Apparently, they have for this episode from the 2K3 series.

[Technogeek29]

They've reimagined characters and used some places (Dimension X), but I don't think they've used actual plots from the OT. Apparently, they have for this episode from the 2K3 series.

They are I'm not sure if it was intentional however? Its not beat for beat so both can be enjoyed but watching them back to back will make which ever version you watch second seem a little stale.

EDIT: Even the joke of Mikey eating weird stuff he finds in prison is reused. Me an my bro made the joke if he might eat floor wax again Lol

[DVD]

Great fun.
The combat was well staged, exciting and ambitious. Those Triceraton characters just get better and better. Totally love their design.
Funniest thing was watching Mikey 'frying' his'calamari'. Ingenious use of the force field.
I've watched this one twice in under 24 hours, so id have to say I rank this as the number 2 episode in the season so far, after episode 1.

[Xav]

They've reimagined characters and used some places (Dimension X), but I don't think they've used actual plots from the OT. Apparently, they have for this episode from the 2K3 series.They used a plot from the Mirage comics not the 2k3 series.

[THGhost]

They used a plot from the Mirage comics not the 2k3 series.

Which the 2K3 series was adapted from. So, technically... :P

[oldmanwinters]

I'm delighted with how the Nick show is using the Fugitoid this season. And I've pleased with the way they decided to cover the Triceraton prison/arena/escape. The opening 5-episode space arc of the 4Kids Season 2 just felt like it dragged on forever!

[MikeandRaph87]

I have to admit, I'm honestly surprised this season finally gives a good episode; putting aside The Outlaw Armaggon! as a personal bias, damn a good episode. Only one main problem though, did anyone feel this episode was a little rushed? The Spasmosaur and the Zeno fights honestly were done a little too quickly plus April and the crystal. Maybe I can go critical later, but for now I'm honestly a satisfied person, though I wish we got a two parter, that would have been awesome.

Also, I believe that was John DiMaggio as Zeno and Zanaramon I'm unsure on. If anyone can correct that or bring it up, thanks. I give it at least a 7 out of 10 overall.

Michael "Darkseid" Ironside as Zandramon and John DiMaggio as Traximus/Zeno. Ya know, they could have just added in an extra "x" to change Traximus's name up. They already have a habit of taking old names with characters completely unrelated Neutrinos, Chrome Dome, Razhar,etc.:roll: Who is Commander Mozar? I did not find it on IMDB and the DVR cuts it off before the end credits roll.

[CyberCubed]

I'm delighted with how the Nick show is using the Fugitoid this season. And I've pleased with the way they decided to cover the Triceraton prison/arena/escape. The opening 5-episode space arc of the 4Kids Season 2 just felt like it dragged on forever!

Really? They did a lot of different things int he 5-episodes 2k3 space arc. The Triceraton arena was only 1 episode in that series too.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I don't believe him. Its the same character with a different name.

Obviously! A rebellious triceraton with a sludge hammer. Nuff said.

They used a plot from the Mirage comics not the 2k3 series.

I think he means elements such as befriending a triceraton with a sledge hammer and fighting against the Spasmosaur. The creature appeared in the comics but only in one page fighting off its enemies.

[neatoman]

They used a plot from the Mirage comics not the 2k3 series.

Yes, but this episode is actually more similar to that episode than it is the original comic. The Turtles never fight the Spasmosaur (although it does appear) or befriend a gladiator in the original comic, both happened in in the 2k3 cartoon however.

I'm delighted with how the Nick show is using the Fugitoid this season. And I've pleased with the way they decided to cover the Triceraton prison/arena/escape. The opening 5-episode space arc of the 4Kids Season 2 just felt like it dragged on forever!

I have quite the opposite opinion, I felt five episodes was nice and this episode felt like it should have had multiple parts.

[old_hob88]

I definitely enjoyed this one. So far I've really been enjoying this whole season. The plot has been very well tied together with the overall narrative, while each episode does its own thing.

[THGhost]

I'm delighted with how the Nick show is using the Fugitoid this season. And I've pleased with the way they decided to cover the Triceraton prison/arena/escape. The opening 5-episode space arc of the 4Kids Season 2 just felt like it dragged on forever!

Really? They did a lot of different things int he 5-episodes 2k3 space arc. The Triceraton arena was only 1 episode in that series too.

That arc was fantastic. It's that sort of thing that I was hoping we'd be getting from the Nick series.

[Xav]

Obviously! A rebellious triceraton with a sludge hammer. Nuff said.But Traximus had an ax. Totally different character.

[ranger_scout]

My favorite part of the episode was the very beginning with the Mortal Kombat spoof. That brought back some memories of playing the game. The rest of it was fine.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

But Traximus had an ax. Totally different character.

:trazz: My bad on the weapon. But he is still Traximus with a different name.

[THGhost]

But Traximus had an ax. Totally different character.

Because changing their weapon makes them a "totally different character". The 80s cartoon changed Mikey's nunchucks to a grappling hook, but he was still Mikey. :P

[Xav]

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[MikeandRaph87]

I didn't know where to post this, J. B. Smoove(Bebop) appears on Late Night with Seth Meyers tonight. You can catch it streaming tomorrow morning if you are a fan of his.

[THGhost]

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http://www.mememaker.net/static/images/memes/4068370.jpg

[srmff]

http://www.mememaker.net/static/images/memes/4068370.jpg

In fairness I even recognised that as sarcasm. Usually if a comment seems beyond stupid, it's being done on purpose such as saying someone's a different character because they have a different weapon.

That's probably why Obi-Wan said that Darth Vader killed Anakin. He lost his blue lightsaber and got a red lightsaber. Completely different person. :lol:

[THGhost]

In fairness I even recognised that as sarcasm. Usually if a comment seems beyond stupid, it's being done on purpose such as saying someone's a different character because they have a different weapon.

That's probably why Obi-Wan said that Darth Vader killed Anakin. He lost his blue lightsaber and got a red lightsaber. Completely different person. :lol:

Even so, sarcasm online is a risky business. Sometimes people are being genuinely stupid. But I too was in fact being sarcastic in my response to Xav, who was also being sarcastic. Online sarcasm is a mine field. :P

[madyankees]

We need a properly scaled Zeno figure....not made by playmates

[Bauer536]

Finally! A great Season 4 episode! I loved the nods to the Mirage battle arena scenes, but I also got this Ridley Scott "Gladiator" vibe from it. Zanmoran sometimes reminded me of Commodus watching the brutal fights.

Anyways, I was pretty impressed. :tgrin:

[cryan]

I love the scene where Casey and April dragging the black hole generator using the force field they run into a group of Triceritons that are going back from the arena and one of them has a foam figure saying Zeno #1 on it. :D

[miru]

:trazz: My bad on the weapon. But he is still Traximus with a different name.

I'm now betting Mikey is going to name him Traximus.

[THGhost]

I'm now betting Mikey is going to name him Traximus.

What would be his reason?

[ToTheNines]

Was just rewatching this and noticed that the arena announcer (voiced by John DiMaggio) sounds remarkably close to OT Shredder. If he ends up being in the crossover episode I could see them using him.

Still sad about James Avery :(