How You Rank Each Episode of Season 4

[Vicky82]

How do you rank each episode of season 4 so far.

Here's mine but it can change.

1. Revenge Of The Triceratons
2. The Ever Burning Fire
3. Trans Dimensional Turtles
4. The War For Dimension X
5. Riddle Of The Ancient Aeons
6. The Arena Of Carnage
7. Beyond The Known Universe
8. The Evil of Dregg
9. The Cosmic Ocean
10. The Outlaw Armaggon
11. The Moons Of Thalos 3
12. Journey To The Center of Mikey's Mind
13. The Weird World Of WYRM

[Powder]

1. The Weird World of WYRM
2. Beyond The Known Universe
3. Journey To The Center of Mikey's Mind
4. The Arena of Carnage
5. Riddle Of The Ancient Aeons
6. The Moons Of Thalos 3
7. The Outlaw Armaggon

[Kingoji]

And that right there is already proof that different fans want and enjoy different things about this show.

[Ninturtle]

1. The Arena of Carnage
2. Beyond the Known Universe
3. The Outlaw Armaggon
4. Journey to the Center of Mikeys Mind
5. Riddle of the Ancient Aoens
6.The Weird World of Wyrm
7. The Moons of Thalos 2

[GoldMutant]

I guess from now on, I can include elaboration and ratings for each episode as we proceed with the season in comparison to my season 3 list (it certainly changed, be on the look out in the season 3 tournament's conclusion for my true list), here's what we have based on the space arc so far:

1. The Arena of Carnage (Overall a strong episode standalone, may benefit further from a longer pacing of at least an extra episode to 15 minutes and a little explanation of some stuff to be excellent.) Rating: 7.5/10

2. The Outlaw Armaggon! (Personal bias towards Ron and Armaggon. Problem is the misleading of Armaggon being prominent and him being rather bland in his debut. The strongest of the first four episodes, but rather lacking in execution despite some excellent scenes and lines) Rating: 7/10

3. The Weird World of Wyrm (Personally, while it doesn't contribute much to the overall narrative, I did have a lot of fun with this filler in comparison to the ones in season 3. This episode was honestly the most fun I've had all season so far, Wyrm was an excellent addition. What lands it here and what prevents a higher rating is Casey though as I didn't like his character at all this episode. Getting past that is entertainment, something season 4 lacks to an extent for me personally.) Rating: 6.5/10

4. Riddles of the Ancient Aeons (I mostly had a difficult time where to place this episode. The concept is way too forced and while the little moments are sprinkled in, it pales in comparison to the original ones previous in the show, specifically the Leo and Raph hug. The gags near the episode's conclusion such as the slinky Fugitoid made me smile though, but is rather lacking in promise.) Rating: 5.5/10

5. Beyond the Known Universe (An overall gorgeous looking episode with the setting and the random aliens, but is otherwise lacking in the writing department such as Dregg. I honestly wish I could like this episode, but it's rather mixed to me personally.) Rating 5.5/10

6. Journey to the Center of Mikey's Mind (While creative in Mikey's brain, not enough time is spent on it and not enough time to the title is given. Bellybomb was a fun addition, but not so much the Neutrinos on the other hand, who I call Brain Busters more. I still harbor a grudge for it, but it's not the worst of Mikey's episodes in the show. Honestly wished the concept had more done overall with it so I didn't have to rank it near the bottom.) Rating: 5/10

7. The Moons of Thalos 3 (An extremely generic and lifeless episode in comparison to Beyond the Known Universe. Also contains yet another poor romance in the show with Raphael and horribly rushed pacing with the Mona x Raph dynamic itself.) Rating: 3.5/10

[Splinter the boss]

1. The arena of carnage.
It has great fight scenes and moves the plot forward.

2. The moons of Thalos.
It had great fight scenes and introduced us to more of the salamandarians( been waiting for this ), and to the war among different aliens.

3. The outlaw Armaggon.
Leo/Armaggon fight and new character.

4. Beyond the known universe.
It introduced Dregg.

5. Riddle of the ancient Aeons.
6. Journey to the center of Mikey's mind.

7. Weird world of Wyrm.
I liked how Casey tricked him,it was genius.

[picassotheninjaturtle]

1:The Ever Burning Fire
Spaceship action was really cool, so was Tokka being a cosmic monster. The Dregg/Mozar alliance I had in mind came true! So hype for the next one!

2:The Cosmic Ocean
Great scenery, loved the references, and some Dregg action.

3:Revenge of the Triceratons
Liked the chase sequences, and FINALLY a Donnie ep!

4:The Evil of Dregg
It was nice to see another Raph episode, but the robot Dregg was stupid.

5:The War For Dimension X
Backstory on Kraang helped a lot, fight sequences were on point, didn't need all the smooches.

6:Trans Dimensional Turtles
Could've waited until the space arc was over but still amazing.

7: The Arena of Carnage
Tri-Arena was great, Zeno was a EPIC, episode should have been a two parter, just me tho.

8: Riddle of the Ancient Aeons
The wait was worth it, Aeons were a tad predictable.

9: Beyond the known Universe
Mos Eisley.....nuff said.

10: The Outlaw Armaggon
Didn't quite focus on Armaggon, cool nonetheless.

11: The Moons of Thalos 3
It was something fresh and new! Kinda.

12: Journey to the Center of Mikey's Mind
Neutrinos disappointed me, but better than the last one.

13: The Weird World of Wyrm
Didn't do anything to advance the plot whatsoever, waste of an episode.

[Aaronardo]

Ooh! I love these threads :D

1. The Arena of Carnage

2. The Outlaw Armaggon

3. Beyond The Known Universe

4. The War For Dimension X

5. The Weird World of Wyrm

6. Riddle of the Ancient Aeons

7. Journey Into The Center of Mikey's Mind

8. The Moons of Thalos 9

[neatoman]

Not to be a prick or anything but shouldn't we wait until season 4 has concluded?

[Vicky82]

That's what the best episode tournament is for.

This is ranking each episode after its aired. For example I put The Arena of Carnage at no 1 as it's my favorite episode so far but we got 19 episodes left and there might be better episodes than that So I doubt It will stay at no 1 at the end of the season it could end up being 15th place.

[Redworld96]

For now:
1. The Arena of Carnage

2. Beyond the known universe

3. Riddle of the ancient Aeons

4. The Moons of Thalos 3

5. The outlaw Armaggon

6. The weird world of Wyrm

7. Journey to the center of Mikeys mind

[Foombamaroom]

1. The Arena of Carnage.
2. Riddle of the Ancient Aeons.
3-8. Everything else.

[The Happy One]

1. The Arena of Carnage.
2. Riddle of the Ancient Aeons.
3-8. Everything else.

^^ this basically...:lol:

[Splinter the boss]

Now it's this:
1.The war for dimension x
2.The arena of carnage
3.The moons of thalos 3
4.The outlaw Armaggon
5.Beyond the known universe
6.Riddle of the ancient Aeons
7.Journey to the center of Mikey's mind
8.The weird world of wyrm

[KrN]

Beyond The Known Universe
The War for Dimension X
The Arena Of Carnage
The Outlaw Armaggon
The Weird World Of WYRM
Riddle Of The Ancient Aeons
The Cosmic Ocean
Journey To The Center of Mikey's Mind
The Moons Of Thalos 3

[GoldMutant]

I still need to watch the entirety of The Cosmic Ocean but I'll edit it in when I see it. For now though, first list update:

1. Trans-Dimensional Turtles
2. The Arena of Carnage
3. The Outlaw Armaggon
4. The Weird World of Wyrm
5. Riddles of the Ancient Aeons
6. The War for Dimension X!
7. Beyond the Known Universe
8. Journey to the Center of Mikey's Mind
9. The Moons of Thalos 3

[TMNTInsighter]

(all summations written as shortly as possible)
#1- The Cosmic Ocean
Again, I'm surprised to put this at #1 because it's from the bland pen of Mark Henry. The opening scene itself raises many questions including "What is real?", "What can you know?", "What drives someone?" and the kind of effect it has on Leonardo going forward throughout this episode. Beautiful animation, other little touches, and the use of Armaggon and Dregg are also used effectively.
#2- "Beyond the Known Universe"
A good pick-off of the S3 finale, with the IDW stills, the Fugitoid's lovable nature, the return of the slap, and the "2001: ASO"-esque animation forming a great beginning. The rest of it is basically build-up with some great character moments thrown in, all used to great effect.
#3- "Riddle of the Ancient Aeons"
After counting four uses of religious symbolism in the final moments of "Annihilation Earth" (what can I say? I'm a sucker for this kind of stuff), Brandon Auman continues with the angelic Aeons and their demonic forms. The use of the planets' effects on the Turtles and its indifferent effects on the Triceratons were also well-handled, not to mention what makes these two groups different from each other without being expository. Good attention to geography from director Michael Chang too.
#4- "Trans-Dimensional Turtles"
A really fun episode that was quite funny, with a possibly important moment between Splinter and Leo (who's torn between telling him what will happen or not to). Kraang Sub-sub Prime's over-the-top comedy routine is also put to good use here as well as good continuity regarding his anger at Krang's plan to destroy dimensions (ala the Triceratons and what will happen in AE).
#5- "Moons of Thalos 3"
What can I say? I'm a sucker for Keith David. He and Leo had great interaction and while Raph's and Mona's relationship--not to mention her stilted dialogue--may not be well-earned, it still allowed Raph to show a side of him that should be shown more often (such as his early scenes with Mikey).
#6-#10 (in no order include "....Wyrm", "Outlaw Armaggon", "Arena of Carnage", "JttCoMM", "Revenge of the Triceratons") are a mixed bag. They all had their moments and were all usually competent but for the most part unexciting episodes without much to say. Some had better development in some areas compared to the others too.
#11- "The War for Dimension X"
Maybe it's just me but an episode with a title like that should not be penned by your comedy writers. Kevin Burke and Chris Wyatt have not made one good episode with the possible exception of "Mutagen Man Unleashed". Savage Mikey always brings good things to the table and the opportunity to meet Bishop and the Utrom Council was something to look forward to but for the most part, the episode was uninvolving and short of the potential established. Again, not a bad episode but expectations were far from met!

[Splinter the boss]

My new list

1.Revenge of the triceratons
2.The war for dimension x
3.The arena of carnage
4.The moons of thalos 3
5.The outlaw Armaggon
6.Beyond the known universe
7.Riddle of the ancient Aeons
8.cosmic ocean
9.Trans-dimensional turtles
10.Journey to the center of Mikey's mind
11.The weird world of Wyrm

[JH24]

1. Revenge Of The Triceratons (Really enjoyed this one. It was a rollercoaster ride from beginning to end. Casey was likeable and useful here, kind of a pity they still can't decide on how to write him)
2. The Weird World Of Wyrm (Even if just filler, I found it pretty entertaining for some reason. The turtles actually being afraid of Casey and Casey then turning against Wyrm is still one of my favorite moments in this season)
3. The Arena Of Carnage (Really liked Zeno as a character. The turtles dropping their weapons and putting their fate in Zeno's hands was another one of my favorite moments this season)

4. Beyond The Known Universe
5. Trans Dimensional Turtles
6. The Outlaw Armaggon
7. The War For Dimension X
8. Riddle Of The Ancient Aeons
9. The Cosmic Ocean
10. The Moons Of Thalos 3
11. Journey To The Center of Mikey's Mind

[TMNTInsighter]

#1-"Cosmic Ocean"
#2-"Beyond the Known Universe"
#3-"Riddle of the Ancient Aeons"
#4-"Transdimensional Turtles"
#5-"The Evil of Dregg"
#6-"The Moons of Thalos 3"
#7-(finally got around to arranging these) "The Outlaw Armaggon"
#8-"Journey to the Center of Mikey's Mind"
#9-"The Arena of Carnage"
#10-"The Weird World of Wyrm"
#11-"Revenge of the Triceratons"
#12-"The War for Dimension X"

[Splinter the boss]

1.Revenge of the triceratons
2.The war for dimension x
3.The arena of carnage
4.The moons of thalos 3
5.The outlaw Armaggon
6.Beyond the known universe
7.Riddle of the ancient Aeons
8.cosmic ocean
9.The evil of Dregg
10.Trans-dimensional turtles
11.Journey to the center of Mikey's mind
12.The weird world of Wyrm

[Hero]

1. Journey To The Center of Mikey's Mind.
2. Trans Dimensional Turtles
3. The Weird World Of WYRM
4. The War For Dimension-X
5. The Arena Of Carnage
6. Riddle Of The Ancient Aeons
7. The Cosmic Ocean
8. Beyond The Known Universe
9. The Evil of Dregg
10. Revenge Of The Triceratons
11. The Moons Of Thalos 3
12. The Outlaw Armaggon

[JH24]

Updated:

1. Revenge Of The Triceratons
2. Trans Dimensional Turtles (Moved this episode from five to two. I still have some issues with it. But the heartwarming scene with the turtles meeting Splinter, an emotional Leonardo who is struggling with his words talking with Splinter in the dojo, the turtles saying goodbye to their sensei before jumping into the portal were all so amazingly well done that I just had to move this episode up. The turtles from both realities saying goodbye at the end was a beautiful and emotional end to this episode)

3. The Weird World Of Wyrm
4. The Arena Of Carnage
5. Beyond The Known Universe
6. The Outlaw Armaggon
7. The War For Dimension X
8. Riddle Of The Ancient Aeons
9. The Cosmic Ocean
10. The Moons Of Thalos 3
11. Journey To The Center of Mikey's Mind
12. Evil of Dregg (This episode had so much potential. But it was forced, cliché, not funny, and the characterizations were terrible. Casey is a jerk, Donatello gets abused, there's an abundance of Raph/Mona that wasn't necessary, Dregg and Armagon's defeats were extremely unsatisfying. This episode gets the last spot because unlike "Journey to Mikey's mind" this one actually wants to make me quit the series)

[GoldMutant]

Alright, let's update this list (ignore the title, it's update 2, oops):

1. The Arena of Carnage
2. The Cosmic Ocean
3. Transdimensional Turtles
4. The Outlaw Armaggon!
5. Revenge of the Triceratons
6. The Ever-Burning Fire
7. The Weird World of Wyrm
8. The War for Dimension X!
9. Riddles of the Ancient Aeons
10. Journey to the Center of Mikey's Mind
11. Beyond the Known Universe
12. The Moons of Thalos 3
13. The Evil of Dregg

[TMNTInsighter]

#1-"The Cosmic Ocean"
#2-"Beyond the Known Universe"
#3-"Riddle of the Ancient Aeons"
#4-"Transdimensional Turtles"
#5-"Earth's Last Stand"
#6-"The Moons of Thalos 3"
#7-"The Outlaw Armaggon"
#8-"Journey to the Center of Mikey's Mind"
#9-"The Arena of Carnage"
#10-"The Evil of Dregg"
#11-"The Ever Burning Fire"
#12-"The Weird World of Wyrm"
#13-"Revenge of the Triceratons"
#14-"The War for Dimension X"

[Vicky82]

Even with the confusing time travel, I did enjoy this episode.

1. Earth's Last Stand
2. Revenge Of The Triceratons
3. The Ever-Burning Fire
4. Trans Dimensional Turtles
5. The War For Dimension X
6. Riddle Of The Ancient Aeons
7. The Arena Of Carnage
8. Beyond The Known Universe
9. The Evil of Dregg
10. The Cosmic Ocean
11. The Outlaw Armaggon
12. The Moons Of Thalos 3
13. Journey To The Center of Mikey's Mind
14. The Weird World Of WYRM

[Redworld96]

Ok this is my rank of the space arc:

1.Revenge of the Triceratons
2.The arena of carnage
3.Trans-dimensional turtles
4.Riddle of the Ancient Aeons
5.Earth's last stand
6.Beyond the know universe
7.The evil of Dregg
8.The ever-burning fire
9.The Moons of thalos 3
10.The War of Dimension X
11.The Cosmic Ocean
12.The outlaw armaggon
13. Weird world of Wyrm
14.Journey to the center of Mikey's mind

[GoldMutant]

Time to revive the thread now that season 4 is back:

1. Transdimensional Turtles
2. The Arena of Carnage
3. Revenge of the Triceratons
4. The Cosmic Ocean
5. The Ever-Burning Fire
6. The Weird World of Wyrm
7. City at War
8. The Outlaw Armaggon!
9. Riddle of the Ancient Aeons
10. The War for Dimension X!
11. Earth's Last Stand
12. Beyond the Known Universe
13. The Moons of Thalos 3
14. Journey to the Center of Mikey's Mind
15. The Evil of Dregg

[JH24]

1. Revenge of The Triceratons
2. Trans Dimensional Turtles
3. City at War
4. The Weird World Of Wyrm
5. The Ever-Burning Fire
6. The Arena Of Carnage
7. Beyond The Known Universe
8. The Outlaw Armaggon
9. Earth's Last Stand
10. The War For Dimension X
11. Riddle Of The Ancient Aeons
12. The Cosmic Ocean
13. The Moons Of Thalos 3
14. Journey To The Center of Mikey's Mind
15. Evil of Dregg

[TMNTInsighter]

"Cosmic Ocean" is still #1 for me, it's extremely underrated. I'd say "City at War" is the fifth best episode of S4 behind Ocean, Beyond the Known Universe, Riddle of the Ancient Aeons, and Transdimensional Turtles. I already can't wait for "Broken Foot", I basically want it now!

[Vicky82]

Updated

1. The Super Shredder
2. Broken Foot
3. Mutant Gangland
4. Earth's Last Stand
5. City At War
6. Revenge of the Triceratons
7. Trans Dimensional Turtles
8. The War For Dimension X
9. The Insecta Trifecta
10. The Evil Of Dregg
11. The Ever-Burning Fire
12. Riddle Of The Ancient Aeons
13. The Arena Of Carnage
14. Bat In The Belfry
15. Beyond The Known Universe
16. Journey To The Center of Mikey's Mind
17. The Cosmic Ocean
18. The Moons Of Thalos 3
19. The Outlaw Armaggon
20. The Weird World Of WYRM

[TMNTInsighter]

I don't think "Super Shredder" is enough to knock off "The Cosmic Ocean" as the best episode of the season. It was just too good in terms of animation, character, and narrative. This one, though it has some nice touches, a good play (and jab) on Shredder's psychology, and an outstanding directorial debut, spends a lot of time on the action without being as involving as TCO. I'm not even sure if it beats "Beyond the Known Universe" and "Riddle of the Ancient Aeons" but it's right there with them.

[GoldMutant]

As I haven't done this in a while...

(Best of the season thus far)

1. Transdimensional Turtles
2. The Arena of Carnage
3. Mutant Gangland
4. The Ever-Burning Fire

(Decent episodes, but lacking something personally)

5. The Super Shredder
6. The Cosmic Ocean
7. The Weird World of Wyrm
8. Revenge of the Triceratons
9. The Outlaw Armaggon!

(Mixed opinions on)

10. Broken Foot
11. City at War
12. Journey to the Center of Mikey's Mind
13. Beyond the Known Universe
14. Riddle of the Ancient Aeons

(Just there/weak, but a little good in there)

15. The War for Dimension X!
16. Bat in the Belfry

(Bottom of the barrel/hate)

17. The Insecta Trifecta
18. Earth's Last Stand
19. The Moons of Thalos 3
20. The Evil of Dregg

[neatoman]

So once the season is over, are we going to have a poll to solidify this?

[GoldMutant]

So once the season is over, are we going to have a poll to solidify this?

JTH will probably do a tournament, best to ask him. It'd certainly be the general belief of what's the best, but you can choose what is best through ranking; debate which is best.

Based on the popular opinion, I predict as of this time, Transdimensional Turtles, Mutant Gangland, Broken Foot possibly, and the recent Super Shredder will be among the top 8, if not the semi-finalists.

[DVD]

I don't know if I could rank outside my top three.
In no particular order, as I like them for different reasons.

Three Dimensional Turtles. I enjoy crossovers, and this was very good. A really enjoyable , smile popping episode.

The Wyrn episode was just bonkers. It was well constructed and kep itself fresh when it could easily have fallen flat.

The moons episode. This, for its stunning landscapes and amazingly fluid animation.

On the whole, I have found S4 to be consistently well made, good looking, and a whole lotta fun to watch.

[TMNTInsighter]

I actually rank "Darkest Plight" above "Super Shredder" now. It had better mathematics largely because there was a lot more going on inside the characters than between them. More development, the right touch of interaction, and lesser surface material if you will. It was a great episode but I still wouldn't put it ahead of "Beyond the Known Universe" (come on, it's the best premiere we've ever had) and "The Cosmic Ocean."

1. "The Cosmic Ocean"
2. "Beyond the Known Universe"
3. "Darkest Plight"
4. "The Super Shredder"
5. "Riddle of the Ancient Aeons"
6. "Transdimensional Turtles"
7. "The Outlaw Armaggon"

[Vicky82]

Updated

1. Darkest Plight
2. The Super Shredder
3. The Power Inside Her
4. Broken Foot
5. Mutant Gangland
6. Earth's Last Stand
7. City At War
8. Revenge of the Triceratons
9. Trans Dimensional Turtles
10. The War For Dimension X
11. The Insecta Trifecta
12. The Evil Of Dregg
13. The Ever-Burning Fire
14. Riddle Of The Ancient Aeons
15. The Arena Of Carnage
16. Bat In The Belfry
17. Beyond The Known Universe
18. Journey To The Center of Mikey's Mind
19. The Cosmic Ocean
20. The Moons Of Thalos 3
21. The Outlaw Armaggon
22. The Weird World Of WYRM

[TMNTInsighter]

Oh come on Vicky, just because it has great animation and is new doesn't mean it's that good. I wouldn't even put it in the top 10:

#1- The Cosmic Ocean
#2- Beyond the Known Universe
#3- Darkest Plight
#4- The Super Shredder
#5- Riddle of the Ancient Aeons
#6- Trans-Dimensional Turtles
#7- The Outlaw Armaggon
#8- Journey to the Center of Mikey’s Mind
#9- The Ever-Burning Fire
#10- Bat in the Belfry
#11- Broken Foot
#12- The Moons of Thalos 3
#13- Mutant Gangland
#14- The Insecta Trifecta
#15- The Power Inside Her

[Vicky82]

Oh come on Vicky, just because it has great animation and is new doesn't mean it's that good. I wouldn't even put it in the top 10:


It's my opinion not yours, deal with it. I don't complain about your list.

[GoldMutant]

Oh come on Vicky, just because it has great animation and is new doesn't mean it's that good. I wouldn't even put it in the top 10:

Chill mate, opinions are like rules, made to be challenged or respect.

Anyways, list update:

1. Transdimensional Turtles
2. Darkest Plight
3. The Arena of Carnage
4. The Cosmic Ocean
5. The Ever-Burning Fire
6. Mutant Gangland
7. The Super Shredder
8. The Weird World of Wyrm
9. Revenge of the Triceratons
10. Journey to the Center of Mikey's Mind
11. Broken Foot
12. The Outlaw Armaggon!
13. City at War
14. Beyond the Known Universe
15. The Power Inside Her
16. Riddle of the Ancient Aeons
17. Earth's Last Stand
18. The War for Dimension X!
19. The Insecta Trifecta
20. Bat in the Belfry
21. The Moons of Thalos 3
22. The Evil of Dregg

[Aaronardo]

Well, this update is a long time coming. I didn't update my list after episode 8 because I basically gave up hope for the season. Only now is it giving me a reason to care about it.

1. Darkest Plight
2. Mutant Gangland
3. The Arena of Carnage
4. The Outlaw Armaggon
5. The Insecta Trifecta
6. The Super Shredder
7. Trans-Dimensional Turtles
8. The Cosmic Ocean
9. The Power Inside Her
10. Beyond The Known Universe
11. Broken Foot
12. City At War
13. Revenge of the Triceratons
14. The Ever-Burning Fire
15. The War For Dimension X
16. The Weird World of Wyrm
17. Riddle of the Ancient Aeons
18. Bat In The Belfry
19. The Evil Of Dregg
20. Journey Into The Center of Mikey's Mind
21. The Moons of Thalos 9
22. Earth's Last Stand (I really did almost give up on the show right here)

Words can't describe how disappointed I am with this season, though. Every episode should be at least "The Cosmic Ocean" quality. Season 1 writers wouldn't be caught dead writing episodes with lower quality than that. "Darkest Plight" is the example on how this show should be making every serious episode and "The Insecta Trifecta" is the example on how this show should be making every goofy/fun episode.

Earth's Last Stand is easily the worst episode in the whole show. Some of the biggest inconsistencies in time travel I've ever seen are present and it's just so lazily done.

[GoldMutant]

Earth's Last Stand is easily the worst episode in the whole show. Some of the biggest inconsistencies in time travel I've ever seen are present and it's just so lazily done.

I would debate The Croaking being just as bad, if not the worst episode of the series. The same can be said for Evil of Dregg, I've wanted to quit at least three times this season, but man ELS is still unimpressive, even if I find a few more worse in the season.

[TMNTInsighter]

.....
Words can't describe how disappointed I am with this season, though. Every episode should be at least "The Cosmic Ocean" quality. Season 1 writers wouldn't be caught dead writing episodes with lower quality than that. "Darkest Plight" is the example on how this show should be making every serious episode and "The Insecta Trifecta" is the example on how this show should be making every goofy/fun episode.

Earth's Last Stand is easily the worst episode in the whole show. Some of the biggest inconsistencies in time travel I've ever seen are present and it's just so lazily done.

I wouldn't say they're inconsistencies, it's more like they broke the rules. I can't remember Peter DiCicco's tweet or quote from the ELS discussion, but some have argued (and he may have been one of them) that this was more of a blurring between time and reality like JL tried to do with "A Better World" up until "Divided We Fall"; so that it felt like it was more of creating a new reality than fixing a timeline. I myself don't see it so, yeah, I think Auman broke the rules he established in "Tale of the Yokai" more than anything else.

Even then, I would say that "Earth's Last Stand" is FAR from the worst episode of the series. It's got bigger problems than the whole time conundrum (Tiger Claw, the introduction of the devastator, etc.) IMO but it's not the worst episode we've had.

Chill mate, opinions are like rules, made to be challenged or respect. .....

It's my opinion not yours, deal with it. I don't complain about your list.

We should have a debate about each others' lists when this season is over. :nod:

[Aaronardo]

I would debate The Croaking being just as bad, if not the worst episode of the series. The same can be said for Evil of Dregg, I've wanted to quit at least three times this season, but man ELS is still unimpressive, even if I find a few more worse in the season.

Oh man, I completely forgot about The Croaking. I only bothered to watch that episode once and I don't really remember much about it, other than it being unimpressive. I guess it must be a contender. If I ever find the time, I'll see to suffering through it again :lol:

I wouldn't say they're inconsistencies, it's more like they broke the rules. I can't remember Peter DiCicco's tweet or quote from the ELS discussion, but some have argued (and he may have been one of them) that this was more of a blurring between time and reality like JL tried to do with "A Better World" up until "Divided We Fall"; so that it felt like it was more of creating a new reality than fixing a timeline. I myself don't see it so, yeah, I think Auman broke the rules he established in "Tale of the Yokai" more than anything else.

Even then, I would say that "Earth's Last Stand" is FAR from the worst episode of the series. It's got bigger problems than the whole time conundrum (Tiger Claw, the introduction of the devastator, etc.) IMO but it's not the worst episode we've had.

Yes, but when Justice League did it, they established that yes, those were the rules and the whole point of the plot was that they broke said rules. ELS just throws all kinds of paradoxes around and expects you to believe it. By all means, this universe should cave into itself and cease to exist due to the events of that episode.

Outside of the god-awful time-travel writing, everybody is out of character when character is something you need the most of (Raph isn't angry at Fugitoid for not telling them his secret, Donnie doesn't feel used or betrayed, etc), they reversed one of the gutsiest and best moments of the show, the Triceratons get a very small sendoff for being such big villains, and they give us the bullsh*t "oh, Fugitoid's alive!" thing at the end. And the plot is inconsistent. It can't keep itself from going from one different thing to the other.

Everything that's bad about the show is dialed up a couple notches plus all those ridiculous time-travel paradoxes and inconsistencies are present in ELS, which is definitely why it's my least-favorite episode in the show.

[GoldMutant]

Oh man, I completely forgot about The Croaking. I only bothered to watch that episode once and I don't really remember much about it, other than it being unimpressive. I guess it must be a contender. If I ever find the time, I'll see to suffering through it again :lol:

In a nutshell (because I want to keep the thread on course), I just hate it for one reason: Michelangelo. His character just went so far south in the episode after some great moments in season 2 (especially The Invasion, shown in Vicky's signature). I mean, he runs away for making a simple mess of the house? If season 1 I buy, but not season 3. :roll: The fact that Mikey got away with little to no repercussions makes me angry; could it not have been Mikey messes up the retromutagen accidentally when trying to help and feel upset for it?

I didn't like the Punk Frogs either; it was cool for Jon Heder to voice Napoleon, but the Frogs were just as generic as their Fred Wolf counterparts. A frog colony... weak for me personally; designs also didn't stand out either. Literally, the one thing the episode has is a nod to 2k14 Turtles on the computer, the only (slightly) redeemable aspect of the episode. Everything else was just... blah.
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[TMNTInsighter]

Yes, but when Justice League did it, they established that yes, those were the rules and the whole point of the plot was that they broke said rules. ELS just throws all kinds of paradoxes around and expects you to believe it. By all means, this universe should cave into itself and cease to exist due to the events of that episode.

Outside of the god-awful time-travel writing, everybody is out of character when character is something you need the most of (Raph isn't angry at Fugitoid for not telling them his secret, Donnie doesn't feel used or betrayed, etc), they reversed one of the gutsiest and best moments of the show, the Triceratons get a very small sendoff for being such big villains, and they give us the bullsh*t "oh, Fugitoid's alive!" thing at the end. And the plot is inconsistent. It can't keep itself from going from one different thing to the other.

Everything that's bad about the show is dialed up a couple notches plus all those ridiculous time-travel paradoxes and inconsistencies are present in ELS, which is definitely why it's my least-favorite episode in the show.

Just for the record, I'm not disagreeing with you at all! As much as I hate ELS however, I was just saying that we've had worse, even this season.

[Aaronardo]

Just for the record, I'm not disagreeing with you at all! As much as I hate ELS however, I was just saying that we've had worse, even this season.

Fair enough. There are definitely some contenders for worst of the show in this season, particularly in that first half. :lol:

[ssjup81]

In a nutshell (because I want to keep the thread on course), I just hate it for one reason: Michelangelo. His character just went so far south in the episode after some great moments in season 2 (especially The Invasion, shown in Vicky's signature). I mean, he runs away for making a simple mess of the house? If season 1 I buy, but not season 3. :roll: The fact that Mikey got away with little to no repercussions makes me angry; could it not have been Mikey messes up the retromutagen accidentally when trying to help and feel upset for it?

I didn't like the Punk Frogs either; it was cool for Jon Heder to voice Napoleon, but the Frogs were just as generic as their Fred Wolf counterparts. A frog colony... weak for me personally; designs also didn't stand out either. Literally, the one thing the episode has is a nod to 2k14 Turtles on the computer, the only (slightly) redeemable aspect of the episode. Everything else was just... blah.
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Back to our regularly scheduled debates, already in progress.Sorry, jumping in to say, at least you couldn't swap one frog for the other. At least they were distinctive here, unlike the OT. As a kid, I didn't know one from the other since they all sounded alike and looked alike, sans their weapons. Now back to debating. ^^

[GoldMutant]

Sorry, jumping in to say, at least you couldn't swap one frog for the other. At least they were distinctive here, unlike the OT. As a kid, I didn't know one from the other since they all sounded alike and looked alike, sans their weapons. Now back to debating. ^^

Only one I find actually noticeable is Napoleon in this series. The others... who were they again? :lol:

[TMNTInsighter]

"Tokka vs the World" was definitely one of the best episodes of the season and is a contender for best episode. I still think I'll put DP and CO ahead of it though.

1. The Cosmic Ocean
2. Darkest Plight
3. Tokka vs the World
4. Beyond the Known Universe
5. The Super Shredder

[JH24]

1. Darkest Plight
2. City at War
3. Broken Foot
4. Revenge Of The Triceratons
5. Super Shredder
6. The Weird World Of Wyrm
7. The Ever-Burning Fire
8. Bat in the Belfry
9. Beyond The Known Universe
10. Trans Dimensional Turtles
11. The Arena Of Carnage
12. The Outlaw Armaggon
13. Earth's last stand
14. Mutant Gangland
15. Tokka vs. the world
16. Power inside her
17. The War For Dimension X
18. Riddle Of The Ancient Aeons
19. The Cosmic Ocean
20. The Moons Of Thalos 3
21. Insecta Trifecta
22. Evil of Dregg
23. Journey To The Center of Mikey's Mind

[MrTMNT2012]

1.) Owari

2.) Requiem

3.) Darkest Plight

4.) Mutant Gangland

5.) Tokka Vs. The World

Honourable mention to Broken Foot.

Every single other episode was completely and utterly forgettable.

[ssjup81]

I decided to finally do this. Here is the order I would put them in, I guess…

1. Broken Foot
2. Mutant Gangland
3. City at War
4. Tokka vs the World
5. The Ever-Burning Fire
6. Tale of Tigerclaw
7. The Darkest Plight
8. The Super Shredder
9. The Power Inside Her
10. The Journey to the Center of Mikey’s Mind
11. Riddle of the Ancient Aeons
12. Earth’s Last Stand
13. The Evil of Dregg
14. Trans-Dimensional Turtles
15. The Outlaw Armaggon
16. The Insecta Trifecta
17. The Bat in the Belfry
18. The War for Dimension X
19. The Arena of Carnage
20. Beyond the Known Universe
21. The Moons of Thalos 3
22. Revenge of the Triceratons
23. The Cosmic Ocean
24. The Weird World of Worm

[Vicky82]

Updated, Owari takes no 1

1. Owari
2. Requiem
3. Darkest Plight
4. The Super Shredder
5. The Power Inside Her
6. Broken Foot
7. City At War
8. Revenge of the Triceratons
9. Tale of Tiger Claw
10. Tokka vs The World
11. The Ever-Burning Fire
12. The Evil Of Dregg
13. Mutant Gangland
14. Riddle Of The Ancient Aeons
15. Earth's Last Stand
16. Journey To The Center of Mikey's Mind
17. Trans Dimensional Turtles
18. The Arena Of Carnage
19. The War For Dimension X
20. Beyond The Known Universe
21. The Cosmic Ocean
22. The Insecta Trifecta
23. Bat In The Belfry
24. The Moons Of Thalos 3
25. The Outlaw Armaggon
26. The Weird World Of WYRM

[BYWInsaniac]

This is a little something for everyone who has posted a list.

Ranking the episodes 1-26 only says which episodes you liked more than others. You can still think #18 is a good episode, but 1-17 were just better.

So I'm curious where you all draw the line between "good," "so-so," and "bad" episodes on your lists? Like, #1-6 were "good," 7-20 were "so-so," and 21-26 were trash.

-JJ

[GoldMutant]

This list was a chore to make; I may update it very soon, but here's the current ranking for this time:

1. Darkest Plight
2. Tokka vs the World
3. Trans-Dimensional Turtles
4. Owari
5. The Ever-Burning Fire
6. Requiem
7. Mutant Gangland
8. The Super Shredder
9. The Cosmic Ocean
10. The Arena of Carnage
11. The Outlaw Armaggon!
12. Broken Foot
13. The Weird World of Wyrm
14. City at War
15. The Insecta Trifecta
16. The Tale of Tiger Claw
17. Bat in the Belfry
18. The War for Dimension X!
19. Revenge of the Triceratons
20. The Power Inside Her
21. Journey to the Center of Mikey's Mind
22. Beyond the Known Universe
23. Riddle of the Ancient Aeons
24. Earth's Last Stand
25. The Moons of Thalos 3
26. The Evil of Dregg

This is a little something for everyone who has posted a list.

Ranking the episodes 1-26 only says which episodes you liked more than others. You can still think #18 is a good episode, but 1-17 were just better.

So I'm curious where you all draw the line between "good," "so-so," and "bad" episodes on your lists? Like, #1-6 were "good," 7-20 were "so-so," and 21-26 were trash.

-JJ

I made this classification before. :)

My two cents is this: Evil of Dregg up to Bat in the Belfry were awful (specifically anything in the 20s personally), Tale of Tiger Claw to Outlaw Armaggon I consider mixed, and anything above Armaggon I liked.

Granted, my list I still wish to edit very soon, but this is where I'd put them. My bottom five and top five though are not changing anytime soon, except for 4 and 5 on the top and probably 23 at the bottom.

[Aaronardo]

Hey look at that, the season is over.

1. Requiem/Owari (as far as I'm concerned, these are two episodes)
2. Darkest Plight
3. Tokka VS The World
4. Mutant Gangland
5. The Arena of Carnage
6. The Outlaw Armaggon
7. The Insecta Trifecta
8. The Super Shredder
9. Trans-Dimensional Turtles
10. The Cosmic Ocean
11. The Power Inside Her
12. Beyond The Known Universe
13. Broken Foot
14. City At War
15. Revenge of the Triceratons
16. The Tale of Tiger-Claw
17. The Ever-Burning Fire
18. The War For Dimension X
19. The Weird World of Wyrm
20. Riddle of the Ancient Aeons
21. Bat In The Belfry
22. The Evil Of Dregg
23. Journey Into The Center of Mikey's Mind
24. The Moons of Thalos 9
25. Earth's Last Stand

In the end, the season managed to deliver somewhat with those last few episodes, but my opinion stands on the majority of the episodes, especially the first half -- a lot of them really suck. Here's to hoping they can carry the quality found in Darkest Plight and Requiem/Owari over to Season 5.

[GoldMutant]

So hey, should we do what the guy said?


We should have a debate about each others' lists when this season is over. :nod:

[ToTheNines]

Excellent:
1. Requiem
2. Darkest Plight
3. Owari
4. Super Shredder
5. Transdimensional Turtles
6. The War for Dimension X

Good:
7. The Cosmic Ocean
8. Mutant Gangland
9. City at War
10. Tokka vs. The World
11. Broken Foot
12. Insecta Trifecta
13. Arena of Carnage
14. Earth's Last Stand
15. Moons of Thalos 3

Decent:
16. The Power Inside Her
17. The Outlaw Armaggon
18. The Ever Burning Fire
19. Journey to the Center of Mikey's Mind
20. Tale of Tiger Claw
21. Bat in the Belfry

Grabage
22. Beyond the Known Universe
23. Revenge of the Triceratons
24. Wyrm
25. The Evil of Dregg
26. Riddle of the Ancient Aeons


So hey, should we do what the guy said?

No, but we could make fun of him for being a huge tool.

[GoldMutant]

No, but we could make fun of him for being a huge tool.

(Assuming he's permanently banned) Sounds good. :lol:

[Aaronardo]

So hey, should we do what the guy said?

Look under your seats! Your opinion is invalid, your opinion is invalid, all your opinions are invalid!