Are the Fugatoid and the Utroms truly good?

[victory_angel]

We know the Fugatoid and the Utrom are generally benevolent in most incarnations. However there are some hints they may not be quite as benevolent as they are making themselves out to be. I have talked with a fellow 'dromer about these hits and he does agree there may be something that isn't being said.

I'm not saying they are evil in itself...but it is plausible that they are foulable in their actions.

For example in Arena of Carnage there is a moment when Zanramon does goad Honeycutt into building the Heart of Darkness for him. Some people have taken it to mean to put it together. But it also can be interpreted that Honeycutt was being tasked with building the remaining two pieces of the Heart of Darkness.

In Mirage and the 2k3 version the Fugatoid had been tasked with creating a Teleportal. However the Federation and the Triceraton Republic intend to use it at weapon that could turn the tide of war between them by being able to beam aboard weapons, troops, even explosives onto enemy star ships.

In the IDW comic Honeycutt is involved with Krang believing he was helping him defend his race. But when he realized his weapons were being used for mass genocide he was in the thick of it.

So it's possible that Honeycutt was the person who built the Heart of Darkness. While not malicious by any means...it is likely he did have some involvement with its creation. And that's why he needed the Turtles to help him find the Heart of Darkness because he wants to prevent it from causing needless damage and so he can cover the shame he had about it's creation.

Also in the recent episode, the Utrom are completely ignorant about what sort of influence a single piece of the Heart of Darkness had on the Aeon's planet itself. Despite the fact that technology had never been allowed there before.

And even if the other Utrom are good... there is the notable lack of King on the Utrom counsel or even mention of King in general. The question of why Knight defected and joined Kraang Prime, I don't think he is completely being manipulated since Kraang Sub Prime, or being manipulated at in general. After all he doesn't seem to be connected to the hive mind of Kraang themselves and he did tout himself the greatest spy in Dimension X during his debut in the season 2 finale. And then there is Bishop himself.

In Annihilation: Earth...Bishop does call Kraang Sub Prime, "Kraang Sub Sub Prime" Indicating that Bishop had at one point been on the side of the Kraang possibly even Sub Prime before Knight had. Also when I had asked Auman if someone like say Dirk Savage would have a role that was similar to the 2k3 Bishop. He answered this...

Nope, you'll just have to see if Bishop comes back. ;)

[neatoman]

Traditonally speaking, the Fugitoid has always been a good guy and (with a few exceptions like Ch'rell) so has the Utroms. It's not impossible for there to be some twist but this show is pretty black and white with it's morality.

[Ninjinister]

"Fugatoid"......

[Candy Kappa]

Is Fugatoid from the Mirror Universe?

[Powder]

Better than Futatoid.

[Cure]

The Fugative starring Hirrison Ford.

[Tarris Vaal]

Its a fair point though - we don't know precisely where the Kraang who became Kraang Prime came from. Its possible that was the previous 'King' on the Utrom council making a bid for total power.

Further - quibbles over spelling aside (really guys?) - Fugitoid's motives have not yet been fully explained. He simply shows up and explains he wants to help the turtles for 'reasons'.

There's strong implication from arena of Carnage that he is at least capable of creating a heart of darkness - which in turn suggests that he may well have been the one who designed or constructed it originally.

That in turn suggests he is operating out of a sense of guilt.

Its not even inconceivable that his origin story as told to us is either fabricated or missing critical truths. I mean his robot body packs some serious firepower for a 'pacifist'. I know he states that 'even pacifists have to defend themselves' but his arsenal is surprisingly lethal considering that perspective.

Can potentially build a black hole generator but not a stun gun? Hmmm....

Yes this is all speculation, but i think its an interesting point to make.

Whether the Utrom's motives are questionable is less certain - but there are several weeks between the Bishop we just saw, and the 'future' Bishop the turtles encountered previously (who did just mysteriously wander off moments before Earth was destroyed).

For all we know, Bishop is 'turned' in that period and promoted to sub prime - perhaps with ulterior motives of his own?

[CyberCubed]

Better than Futatoid.

I hope you haven't been watching what I think you've been watching, Powder. :)

[Powder]

Whatever you're thinking of, no. It's a reference to a rather unfortunate but lulzy typo Playmates made recently.

[Leogeddon]

Well, at worst he designs machines and tools but never intended them to be weapons so technically he is just a tool for evil but out of the loop. Innocently and blindly destroying worlds. When he finds out, he leaves. Then in the War for Dimension X episode, they go into further detail about Kraang Prime and the situation with the Kraang and Utroms.

[Cryomancer]

Probably yes, because it's a kid's show. Also probably yes if we get into how these characters have generally (ie, not Ch'rell) been presented.

Fugitoid represents the idealistic scientist who makes things for some benign / helpful purpose, which are then taken by an outside force (usually military) for less wholesome use (also usually military). It's a thing that shows up in lots of movies and writing and whatnot, sometimes in reality too.

Utroms are probably supposed to be like an entire race of that kind of person, they are generally shown as non-violent and science-minded.

Both of them build things like transmats for purposes like "going back home". Triceratons are violent, they see a machine that teleports things instantly and think "yes, this would be helpful in the war."

It's a brains vs brawn kinda deal. The purpose of a tool versus the potential of a tool. You can use a screwdriver to build furniture or murder some one, basically.

[Ceres]

First and most importantly we can tell that there is no Kraang Race at all, they are still Utroms, just mind controlled by Prime.
The Utroms strike me as aliens who always have the greater good in mind and judge things more logically as intuitive(a pretty good display of this behaviour was shown in the High Council and their love for parlamentary procedures). They have very utilitarian ethics i think.

For the topic of Knight/Subprime, i think that a certain degree of "control" is there, i put up a theory on tumblr where i explained this.

Why i think that Subprime is in some sort of mind control?

It's this little sentence from the latest episode, Subprime fights against Bishop, Bishop chastises him for betraying the Utroms, Knights answer to that was:

"Everyone hates completely subservience to Kraang Prime until they tried it."

Something along these lines, for me this sounds like he was first against Prime but something had brought him over the line and made him swear loyalty to Prime itself and his cause.

My theory is that Kraang Prime saw the great potential as a spy in KSP, so he offered him a place as his second in command. Prime promised him power and gave him a little bit of the mutagen that had mutated himself(this i think is why Subprime looks slightly different from his other Utrom peers).
I think Prime used some sort of weak mind control over him, to give Knight/Subprime some sort of illusion of having his own will.

I wrote a more detailed version of this on tumblr.

To Prof. Honeycutt, he is not evil, he is also rather logical in his thinking and see the greater good before a single person. I'd say Fugitoid would be Lawful Neutral or Neutral while the Utroms would be Lawful Good.

But interesting questions. Worthy of thinking over them.

[thundermaster612]

The Utroms with some exceptions are good...
this Fugatoid character though... he sounds like an evil clone of the Fugitoid :teek:

[Prototype]

The Fugative starring Hirrison Ford.

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