has shredder ever killed anyone?

[1987]

has shredder ever actually took someone's life? does he even have it in him to do so? seems like every time he captured the turtles, him and krang just stall things and eventually the turtles break free. i mean what is their real intention, do they just want to un-mutate the tmnt like they tried to in the season 1 finale, or do they want to actually kill the turtles? and why has shredder never actually use his shredder blades against the turtles, like to stab them or slit their throats?

[Prowler]

If it didn't happen on camera nor was it mentioned then it's because it never happened.

[robb0226]

Hey, long-time lurker, first time poster.
I can say that from the very first comic / origin story, it describes Oroku Saki killing both Hamato Yoshi and his love, Tang Shen, in their apartment. And, more recently, in the Nick cartoon...

***Spoilers***

at the end of the last season, Shredder stabbed Splinter right through the chest, killing him. But now the turtles are traveling through time, so I can only assume it will all work out in the end. Hope that helps

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Are we just talking the 80's toon here? Because AFAIK, that is the only version where he didn't officially kill anyone, though it's implied a few times that he has.

[Eiko]

If its the 80s toon then no he hasn't, but the comics he has.

[Powder]

why has shredder never actually use his shredder blades against the turtles, like to stab them or slit their throats?

Are you seriously asking this question?

It's a friggin' kids show. :roll:

[Ceres]

Are you seriously asking this question?

It's a friggin' kids show. :roll:

Oh yeah, i had a good laugh. What about Nick and their "stabbing". Good enough for kids, eh?

[Etsyturtle2]

Parents now dont think tmnt is the devil. Times have changed.

[MikeandRaph87]

The only version of The Shredder to not have killed that we know of is the 1987 cartoon version. Mirage, 2003's Chre'll, 2012's, and first film series have killed especially when Hamato Yoshi is Splinter's master oppose to Splinter himself as Yoshi is the victim. Next Mutation did not last long enough nor did Shredder's reign within the show. If you want to tie it to the movies then yes, but if not the answer is no. The Shredder in the 1987 cartoon has attempted murder on multiple occasions, but failed to do so. If the cartoon aired later I am sure it would have insinuated that he had in the past especially during his bold move in 'Get Shredder!'. Alas the 1987 Shredder has not killed despite his attempts.

[Coola Yagami]

Yeah, the 80's version never killed anyone, but he wasn't any less bloodthirsty. There are a lot of times things would have ended up being bloody and gross if the Turtles didn't escape in the last possible second.

A few examples I could think of are when he had Mikey strapped to that flushomatic which would have spilled acid all over him, with Shredder laughing nonchalantly about the whole thing. Or the time Shreeka threw April off a building, Shredder caught her only to take the ring for herself, and then toss her away, not giving a damn that she's going to become roadkill. It's a kid's show, sure, but there are a lot of time where things would have ended up messy if the turtles didn't jump out of the way of gunfire, explosions or the few times that Shredder actually did swing his blades towards them.

[1987]

and yeah thats true there has been some close calls, such as the season 2 premier, when shredder tried to kill splinter with the battering ram, if the tmnt hadnt rescued splinter right that second, he would be dead

[MC]

Interesting question!

Here is how I see it, based on all different Shredders;

1987 Shred - never killed

Next Mutation Shredder - Never killed during the show, though depending on his origin (which I don't think was ever clarified) he may have killed Yoshi, if Next Mutation is a continuation of the films.

2k3 Shred - killed entire planets.

Nick Shred - Killed Tang Shen by burning down the house.

Original Movie Shred - killed Hamato Yoshi.

Platinum Dunes Shred - I don't think he kills anyone, can't remember if he kills that Foot Soldier he fought with his hands tied at the start? Does he kill him or just beat him in battle? This is due to Shredder And Eric Sachs being split into two characters... Shredder would have killed April's father if they'd gone with the original idea

Mirage Shredder - kills Yoshi.

IDW Shred - kills the human incarnations of Splinter and the Turtles.

Archie Shredder - don't think he ever kills anyone?

So, the only Shredders that haven't killed are 87, Archie, and 2014, unless anyone wants to correct me?

[ssjup81]

It's more so implied that he's killed in the OT.

[MC]

Can you recall any time it was implied he had killed anyone? Really curious about this!

[oldmanwinters]

I was thinking Shredder killed the Purple Dragons lead thug in the early episodes of the 4Kids series. Or maybe I'm getting the episode mixed up with the Dreamwave comic adaptation.

[CyberCubed]

I was thinking Shredder killed the Purple Dragons lead thug in the early episodes of the 4Kids series. Or maybe I'm getting the episode mixed up with the Dreamwave comic adaptation.

No, you're right. He does kill the blue-haired leader of the purple dragons at the end of the first episode. They also never re-use that guys design in any of the later episodes, not even as a background character, so they made it pretty clear he died.

[ssjup81]

Can you recall any time it was implied he had killed anyone? Really curious about this!Well, I recall an ep where they were driving a tank or something in traffic or there was a traffic jam and he drove over and flattened the cars.

[ProactiveMan]

The OT Shredder's blades are mostly just along for the ride. I mean, look at Powder's sig block. If we were taking things seriously, that would really hurt.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

He may have done it off-screen in the "Big Zip Attack" episode of the 1987 cartoon when his tank ran over cars in traffic. We saw people leaving their cars, but I doubt everyone made it int time.

[MikeandRaph87]

I was thinking Shredder killed the Purple Dragons lead thug in the early episodes of the 4Kids series. Or maybe I'm getting the episode mixed up with the Dreamwave comic adaptation.

Yes, he did kill the Purple Dragon Leader that Dragonface took over for in the final moment of the first episode "Thanks Change".

I am curious, in the 1987 cartoon while Shredder had several attempted murders and never succeeded, what times was it implied he had indeed killed?

[neatoman]

Pretty much all versions of the Shredder has killed someone. The Fred Wolf Shredder in particular however... He probably wouldn't even be able to swat a fly if he tried.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

They all killed the monster together at the end of "Splinter No More in the abandoned subway station."

[MikeandRaph87]

Pretty much all versions of the Shredder has killed someone. The Fred Wolf Shredder in particular however... He probably wouldn't even be able to swat a fly if he tried.

Not true. It all comes down to censors. Baxter Stockman is the perfect example of the change censors allowed in the late 80s' opposed to the mid 2000s'. Instead of a black man being verbally abused and attempted to be killed on three occasions we get a white guy in the bumbling role. We get a parody of The Fly opposed to a black man slowly dismembered until he becomes a cyborg then a one eyed brain in the jar. Shredder would have done much more if the censors were right at the time. So don't dismiss 1987 Shredder because of what he had to work around in the real world.

[Wesley]

Yes, he did kill the Purple Dragon Leader that Dragonface took over for in the final moment of the first episode "Thanks Change".

I am curious, in the 1987 cartoon while Shredder had several attempted murders and never succeeded, what times was it implied he had indeed killed?

The only time that I can remember of it being implied that OT Shredder killed people was in the episode Get Shredder when he blew up the Channel Six building. The Turtles thought that April, Irma, Vernon and others were dead.

[ssjup81]

Not true. It all comes down to censors. Baxter Stockman is the perfect example of the change censors allowed in the late 80s' opposed to the mid 2000s'. Instead of a black man being verbally abused and attempted to be killed on three occasions we get a white guy in the bumbling role. We get a parody of The Fly opposed to a black man slowly dismembered until he becomes a cyborg then a one eyed brain in the jar. Shredder would have done much more if the censors were right at the time. So don't dismiss 1987 Shredder because of what he had to work around in the real world.Adding on, by the late 80s, the show was being regularly aired on a network station as opposed to cable, so of course it would have been toned down and would've had stricter censors. So yeah, for the OT, it'll always be implied that people were killed, just not actually shown or referenced and not only by Shredder. That kid in that Star Child ep had to have killed those men in those military tanks. He blew them up. Or that Wally Airhead guy destroying that one building with his blockbuster.

[Shred87]

I won't spoil it but the Idw shredder does kill in the Batman-Tmnt crossover issue 3

[Powder]

That IS a spoiler. I haven't read the issue yet & now I know something about it. Thanks. :trolleye:

[Jephael]

I know this isn't canon, but I wrote a fan fiction where OT Shredder (as depicted in my Jephaelverse series) killed Silver Sentry.

[oldmanwinters]

That IS a spoiler. I haven't read the issue yet & now I know something about it. Thanks. :trolleye:

Mind blown! And it can never be un-blown, am I right? :tlol:

[Shred87]

That IS a spoiler. I haven't read the issue yet & now I know something about it. Thanks. :trolleye:

Damn.... You're right sry fellas... Thought I was safe by not going into details

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Maybe some old people and even young people with heart diseases were killed by the artificial mirror satellite in "Shredder's Mom". Such persons are usually sensitive to hot weather.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Yes, he did kill the Purple Dragon Leader that Dragonface took over for in the final moment of the first episode "Thanks Change".

I am curious, in the 1987 cartoon while Shredder had several attempted murders and never succeeded, what times was it implied he had indeed killed?

I can think of one example from the first episode where Splinter tells the story of how they came to be. After framing Yoshi for attempting to kill the grandmaster, its very likely Shredder did it himself after Yoshi had been kicked out. That is probably how he ended up in total control of the Foot Clan.

[ticktack]

He pretty much electrocuted white Baxter (I think, they got away with unnecessary risks of implied rasism).

[ssjup81]

He pretty much electrocuted white Baxter (I think, they got away with unnecessary risks of implied rasism).Adding on, they put him into an incinerator. They were definitely planning on killing him and would have...but censors so no. Let's turn him into a fly hybrid instead. :-P

So yeah, OT Shredder was definitely capable of killing, but it had to remain implied given that it was a kid's show that eventually ended up on a network channel. Can't have kids shows showing people being killed or murdered. Look at the first TMNT movie. That was live-action, fewer restrictions, and that kid Tatsu had to have killed was made like he was still alive, when originally, he was supposed to have died from the hit.