Why is Casey Jones even IN this version of TMNT?!

[Papenbrook]

Honestly, I don't think the show should have him.

At first, I was excited for his inclusion in the Nick universe. I thought he had the potential to become a great ally for the turtles. I especially thought he was going to stand out on his own. However, he started to become really unlikable,and my appreciation for him started to wane.

Recently, I questioned why Casey was included in this show to begin with. It didn't make any sense. However, I had one theory of why he was included in the series.

Fandom popularity...

That has to be it. That has to be why he was brought in .

I mean, there are several factors of why he didn't have to be in the show.

- His rivalry with Hun is completely dropped. Hun is basically a static character right now. He started to show up less and less as time went on. I don't think the show is going to continue the rivalry.
- He doesn't interact with Raph that often in this version. So, he (Casey) is just taking up space.
- Casey started getting more annoying as time went on, even to the point of being unbearable.( "This is awesome!", anyone?)


So, in conclusion, Casey shouldn't be in this version. The show should only have April.

[Autbot_Benz]

Casey has been in almost every version of the turtles Mirage Comics 80 cartoon 90's movie 3rd movie 2003 cartoon 2007 movie and bay 2nd movie besides nick cartoon.

As a Casey fan I like nick Casey sure he isn't perfect but its a different take on him a much younger high school age Casey.

[IndigoErth]

I suppose they could have left him out and brushed it off as someone they wouldn't know until they were older, but it's Casey, he's bound to be there, and not just because of fan popularity. And how he is in some/other versions, it's not surprising a teen version of him might be like this and not always too likable.

[plastroncafe]

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[neatoman]

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Where is that from?

[Ninturtle]

The same reasln why Leonardo, Michelangelo, Donatello, Michelangelo, and Splinter are in the show, because they're necessary charactersto TMNT lore. Stop making silly threads.

[plastroncafe]

Where is that from?

Only one of the greatest motion pictures to ever be committed to celluloid!
Josie and the Pussycats (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AGZ7uuia44)

For serious though, I love this movie unironically.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

The same reasln why Leonardo, Michelangelo, Donatello, Michelangelo, and Splinter are in the show, because they're necessary charactersto TMNT lore. Stop making silly threads.

I think she has a point. Casey hasn't really done much...

[Candy Kappa]

I like Nick Casey, bit underdeveloped which is a common symptom in the show, but he and his missing teeth is a nice addition.

[CyberCubed]

Casey's had tons of episodes, as well as episodes where he helped the Turtles. I wonder if some people have collective amnesia or something.

[Ninturtle]

I think she has a point. Casey hasn't really done much...

But he's still an essential character, instead of saying "Why is Casey Jones in this version of TMNT" she should've said "Why is Casey Jones Under Used in This version of TMNT". Makes way more sense and I wouldn't have a problem with the thread.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

But he's still an essential character, instead of saying "Why is Casey Jones in this version of TMNT" she should've said "Why is Casey Jones Under Used in This version of TMNT". Makes way more sense and I wouldn't have a problem with the thread.

Semantics. If you're not going to use a character, there's not much reason to include them. And honestly, Casey hasn't done that many unique "Casey" things in awhile from what I understand...

[plastroncafe]

I'm not up to date on the series, but for me Casey fills the "Not As Stupid as Mike" and "Not as Angry as Raph" position on the character spectrum. Plus he's a foil for Don, a love interest for April, and a bff for Raph.

[snake]

He's alright. A little annoying but I don't mind him too much. He really needs to buddy up with a turtle already.

[Desslok]

Because if he wasn't everyone would be asking "Why is Casey Jones NOT in this version of TMNT?!" :trazz:

[Ninturtle]

Semantics. If you're not going to use a character, there's not much reason to include them. And honestly, Casey hasn't done that many unique "Casey" things in awhile from what I understand...

That's kind of like saying "Don isn't used much so he shouldn't be in", Jones is a staple and in almost every version of the TMNT he's almost as important as the turtles. You just can't not have a central character from the franchise, which is why I find the thread stupid. He's not under used per se just not focused on and poorly written at times, but the solution isn't to say the character shouldn't be included. It's way more logical to advocate for the character to be fixed than to just get rid of him.
I also found PK's argument about Hun odd because nothing is indicating that he won't show up again and he's only showed up twice so it's bot like he was a central character and just stopped appearing.

[Powder]

I mean, there are several factors of why he didn't have to be in the show.

- His rivalry with Hun is completely dropped. Hun is basically a static character right now. He started to show up less and less as time went on. I don't think the show is going to continue the rivalry.
- He doesn't interact with Raph that often in this version. So, he (Casey) is just taking up space.
- Casey started getting more annoying as time went on, even to the point of being unbearable.( "This is awesome!", anyone?)


So, in conclusion, Casey shouldn't be in this version. The show should only have April.

-His rivalry with Hun is from 4kids. This rivalry was not in any key Mirage books (Pete only added it into a side-seires during the late 2000's due to liking a young writer's vision for his inclusion), nor the OT, live-action films or TMNT (2007). Not a defining part of his character by any means. Nick did it as a nod, nothing more.

-That's good. He never gets enough bonding time with the other turtles usually. He's not taking up space, he's another friend & more muscle.

-Entirely subjective.

Your reasons are booty.

[Jester]

Only one of the greatest motion pictures to ever be committed to celluloid!
Josie and the Pussycats (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AGZ7uuia44)

For serious though, I love this movie unironically.
Severely underrated satire.

[plastroncafe]

Severely underrated satire.

Agreed. I do wonder if it's aged well, bit I'm way to biased to tell for sure.

Probably not, note that I think on it. It has Carson Daly. That's never a good sign.

[nellyp]

I am glad Casey is in the show, but this version is not what I wanted. Casey has always been that tough guy, meathead kind of sports nut. This Casey is kinda skinny and a bit emo. The creators have dabbled with changing characters from other incarnations with both positive and negative success (the new neutrinos are an abomination) and this Casey kinda breaks the mold. Maybe if the human characters grow past this early teen phase we can see Casey evolve a bit. He can still be a bit of a dummy but make him more of a physical powerhouse. Get him in the gym or get the boy some steroids or something! He can't take on the foot and purple dragons forever with those toothpick arms and cans of spray paint!

[Zak The Neutrino]

I really like some of the new design aspects of Nick Casey. I like the missing teeth and I love his mask how it's painted. I agree with others in that he should be a bit bigger however he is younger than he is in some of the other series.

He should be there but definitely should be utilized more.

[Konchadunga]

Only one of the greatest motion pictures to ever be committed to celluloid!
Josie and the Pussycats (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AGZ7uuia44)

For serious though, I love this movie unironically.

Me too. I think its cleverness went over many people's heads because none of them were expecting that franchise to yield something clever.

[Galactus]

I have to say the Nick version is least favorite version of the character (until the new movie hits I'm guessing). I think the major problem lies in that to keep Casey in line with April being a teenager.

Admittedly it's kind of hard to portray the qualities Casey is known for in a teenager who has to attend school, lives with family and has to be portrayed with a more youthful optimism. He's had a few interesting moments like Race The Demon but ultimately all he brings to the table is being a romantic rival for April's affections. I think they missed an opportunity when introducing Hun to tie him to Casey like the previous series, Mirage and IDW comics did. It might have given him some depth of character and motivation to be be a vigilante beyond...well every other version did it.

It's also kinda hard to take him seriously as a vigilante without any special skills that the turtles or April have. Something the show has acknowledged itself. An adult version hardened by experience fits in fine but a child it doesn't work as well. It'd be like Robin without any training still being a member of the Teen Titans.

I'm not big on re-imagining characters but maybe Casey could keep some of the tech from his space adventure and while it sounds morbid it's not too late for Hun to do something to Casey or his family or reveal he'd done something to them in past. I know it's a cliche but might give him some grit he needs.

[psychturtle]

Totally agree with the OP. Casey has proven to me much more annoying and lacking character. I feel like he takes away from the essential chemistry of the brothers. Not a fan of this nickelodeon character at all.

[Aaronardo]

Casey's had tons of episodes, as well as episodes where he helped the Turtles. I wonder if some people have collective amnesia or something.

Tons? Let's count the episodes where he's had an actual purpose in appearing in:

1) The Good, The Bad, The Casey Jones

2) The Wrath of Tiger Claw

3) The Invasion

4) Casey Jones VS The Underworld

5) The Arena of Carnage

And no, episodes like The Wild World of Wyrm and Race with the Demon! don't count, as Casey was a major part of those episodes, but neither of those episodes contributed to any plot, meaning Casey (and, yes, everyone else) pretty much did nothing to affect their world in either of those.

But, yes, of the 53 episodes since his "true" first appearance in The Good, The Bad, The Casey Jones, he hasn't had an actual purpose of being in the episodes he was in besides the 5 episodes I've listed. In pretty much every other episode, he's just that guy that sits back and yells out that something is "awesome!" or "metal!" or "wicked!" which gets old very fast. And in action scenes, he's pretty much been a placeholder. Hell, at this point in Season 4, they've pretty much given up trying to shoehorn him in the episodes and just flat out say, "Hey Casey, we're leaving you behind again." Papen kinda has a point.

So... who has collective amnesia, Cubed? :roll:

[srmff]

Tons? Let's count the episodes where he's had an actual purpose in appearing in:

1) The Good, The Bad, The Casey Jones

2) The Wrath of Tiger Claw

3) The Invasion

4) Casey Jones VS The Underworld

5) The Arena of Carnage

And no, episodes like The Wild World of Wyrm and Race with the Demon! don't count, as Casey was a major part of those episodes, but neither of those episodes contributed to any plot, meaning Casey (and, yes, everyone else) pretty much did nothing to affect their world in either of those.

But, yes, of the 53 episodes since his "true" first appearance in The Good, The Bad, The Casey Jones, he hasn't had an actual purpose of being in the episodes he was in besides the 5 episodes I've listed. In pretty much every other episode, he's just that guy that sits back and yells out that something is "awesome!" or "metal!" or "wicked!" which gets old very fast. And in action scenes, he's pretty much been a placeholder. Hell, at this point in Season 4, they've pretty much given up trying to shoehorn him in the episodes and just flat out say, "Hey Casey, we're leaving you behind again." Papen kinda has a point.

So... who has collective amnesia, Cubed? :roll:

It's never just Casey that's left behind. If he's left behind, then so is April. By leaving out episodes that don't contribute to the 'plot', Casey would have a similar amount of episodes as Raph and Mikey. They both have a good few episodes that don't progress the story. In that case, Mikey and Raph are being just as under utilised. The 'filler' episodes can't just be ignored like that. They all play important parts in those episodes. You can't act as if it didn't happen just because it wasn't connected to Shredder, Kraang, etc. In those episodes whether it be Raph, Mikey or Casey they all play an important part in defeating someone.

[The Deadman]

If you're going to complain about how Casey Jones was used in the franchise, why not complain about how he was used in TMNT 3. He was essentially a babysitter for 4 Japanese warriors went back in time and that was IT.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

If you're going to complain about how Casey Jones was used in the franchise, why not complain about how he was used in TMNT 3. He was essentially a babysitter for 4 Japanese warriors went back in time and that was IT.

Many MANY more problems with that movie than Jones riding the bench. :tlol:

[plastroncafe]

He's the worst in the OT than he is anywhere else.

[The Deadman]

Many MANY more problems with that movie than Jones riding the bench. :tlol:

Oh i know that movie was trash lol, but for the sake of the OP, the way he was used was downright criminal in that film.

[Zak The Neutrino]

He's the worst in the OT than he is anywhere else.

Oh come on he infiltrated Octopus Inc. :D

[Luckyday]

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Anyway, I thought his main reason for existence was act as a mouthpiece for the boys' target demographic? Even though he's much older, he's mentally a kid when reacting to situations that a older person or any sane person would be horrified by. A disturbed kid maybe but never less a kid who had been raise on tv monster movies.

[GoldMutant]

To add onto your list Aaron, I'd probably add in Mutagen Man Unleashed as Casey did make his debut here (might be minor, but he did serve a purpose with you know what. :P) and Newtrailized! as he did help out in the end in the final fight. (I don't like Newtrailized though, probably among my least favorites from season 2)

Anyways, I did say this a while back, but Nick Casey is probably middle ground for me of all his incarnations. His design is nifty and may be my bias, but I do think Josh Peck does a decent job voicing what he's got. Now, can we get Drake Bell to be a villain on the show or Miranda Cosgrove pleeeeaaaasssseee? :tgrin:

Okay, now that I got that out of my system, if the love triangle mess didn't exist in season 2 was toned down, I'd probably say this Casey is much better. Casey Jones vs the Underworld still remains my favorite episode he's been apart of as well as my favorite of season 3 for what he can do. I will defend that episode no matter what, but if anyone wants to know why I like the episode, feel free to ask. Because if I do it here, it'll be me going off topic. :lol:

Unless we count shipping like you know, every incarnation, Casey is a main stay in the franchise. Unless we get Hun to be credible, he's not a big part of Casey's character at all. Casey is an everyday man in nearly all TMNT, the guy we can relate to the most. May not be the biggest brain in the world, but a good man willing to do what's right in his own way; at times also, a lovable guy with April. My gripe with Casey overall is just him not maturing; I might be a teen, but I'll admit I can be arrogant like Casey, but not to that degree.

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You came back! :tsmile:

[snake]

He's the worst in the OT than he is anywhere else.

C'mon, he's the most entertaining there.

Maniac Casey best Casey :lol:

[Powder]

He's the worst in the OT than he is anywhere else.

C'mon, he's the most entertaining there.

Maniac Casey best Casey :lol:

My dude Snake's got it right. That is pure entertainment. Mirage Casey on steroids. :tlol:

[CyberCubed]

He's the worst in the OT than he is anywhere else.

That's one of his most popular incarnations. The only problem is he was so underused.

[Splinter the boss]

I actually like Casey this version, I think he is pretty cool especially with his mask. If they can find a way to include his mom and little sister in the show, I'd be satisfied with the character.

[lonewarrior20]

He's the worst in the OT than he is anywhere else.
i think the ot casey could beat all the other casey's. i can already see how it would start if they met in the upcoming crossover episode.
2012 casey starts to tag something.
ot casey "law breaking graffete artists make me very angry punk!"
starts to pull out his bat.

[Autbot_Benz]

My dude Snake's got it right. That is pure entertainment. Mirage Casey on steroids. :tlol:

I agree 80's Casey is awesome "Face Stern Justice appliances"

[plastroncafe]

i think the ot casey could beat all the other casey's. i can already see how it would start if they met in the upcoming crossover episode.
2012 casey starts to tag something.
ot casey "law breaking graffete artists make me very angry punk!"
starts to pull out his bat.

So basically "Falling Down" the animated version.
Pretty much exactly why I don't like him.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

So basically "Falling Down" the animated version.
Pretty much exactly why I don't like him.

Oof. OOF. That is a very painful and accurate description. :tlol:

[Coola Yagami]

If anything the OT captured Casey as the ruthless vigilantee just fine, within the confines of a kiddy show.

I guess the real question here is why ISN'T Casey Jones in this show instead of this stupid kid we're stuck with instead.

The show once again has plot amnesia. His first episode showcased him as 'another Raph' and it looked like they were both gonna be best buds like the comics. Then the other episodes happened when he's only been Raph's bud in maybe one or two episodes.... Any other ep he's weakling, left behind, or too busy being Don's frenemy to hang with Raph.

[Aaronardo]

I guess the real question here is why ISN'T Casey Jones in this show instead of this stupid kid we're stuck with instead.

The show once again has plot amnesia. His first episode showcased him as 'another Raph' and it looked like they were both gonna be best buds like the comics. Then the other episodes happened when he's only been Raph's bud in maybe one or two episodes.... Any other ep he's weakling, left behind, or too busy being Don's frenemy to hang with Raph.

God yes. This is so exact it's scary.

[CyberCubed]

So basically "Falling Down" the animated version.
Pretty much exactly why I don't like him.

I don't get that reference, can I have some insight?

[Powder]

It's a movie about a dude who's sick of his mundane life & society's f**kedness & decides to no longer take sh*t from anyone he perceives as worsening the area or his quality of living. Good ass flick.

[DVD]

I do relate to the burger comparison scene.

[Kingoji]

Versions of TMNT that didn't feature Casey (or leastways include him so heavily) have never exactly suffered for it though. But if you took out any of the brothers, Splinter or April, as an earlier post postulates, it very much *would* suffer as a result.

[plastroncafe]

I dunno man, with how April is often poorly used?
I think it might be better for her to be left out.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I dunno man, with how April is often poorly used?
I think it might be better for her to be left out.

Is it better to have a poorly written version of a character present or not include the character?

I would tend to agree with PC on this...

[Konchadunga]

The short answer to the Original Post is that Casey's in it to sell toys. Remember that this show's toyline went on sale before it actually aired, so Playmates was at least partially aiming at people who recognized the brand from past incarnations, meaning legacy characters have a chance with them. If Casey gets unpopular enough that his toys aren't selling, they may stop making them, but that's why he's here to start.

Now, as to why he's still in the show while other characters, like Master Splinter, get killed off, maybe it's to sustain their obnoxious, but fangirl-hooking love-triangle. Or maybe Splinter's figure just sold a lot worst than Casey's, and they failed to realize that it was probably because his figure was poorly articulated crap.

[Groverman62]

Im honestly pretty indifferent to him

[Ninturtle]

The short answer to the Original Post is that Casey's in it to sell toys. Remember that this show's toyline went on sale before it actually aired, so Playmates was at least partially aiming at people who recognized the brand from past incarnations, meaning legacy characters have a chance with them. If Casey gets unpopular enough that his toys aren't selling, they may stop making them, but that's why he's here to start.

Now, as to why he's still in the show while other characters, like Master Splinter, get killed off, maybe it's to sustain their obnoxious, but fangirl-hooking love-triangle. Or maybe Splinter's figure just sold a lot worst than Casey's, and they failed to realize that it was probably because his figure was poorly articulated crap.

Not every choice the show makes is motivated by the figures, Splinter's death doesn't seem like it was especially since it's likely not permanent.

[Powder]

The short answer to the Original Post is that Casey's in it to sell toys. Remember that this show's toyline went on sale before it actually aired, so Playmates was at least partially aiming at people who recognized the brand from past incarnations, meaning legacy characters have a chance with them. If Casey gets unpopular enough that his toys aren't selling, they may stop making them, but that's why he's here to start.


Ciro's a huge hockey fan, so I can't see him at the helm of a TMNT series that doesn't have Casey in it. Which is to say, I highly doubt he was pressured by a toy company to make that move (though that could definitely be the case for certain mutants).

[shuriken]

Cuz Casey's awesome that's why. It is wierd that Casey is like the only "normal human ally" on this show?

[CyberCubed]

Cuz Casey's awesome that's why. It is wierd that Casey is like the only "normal human ally" on this show?

There's also Kutzman who is human as far as we know.

[myconius]

a TMNT franchize without Casey Jones???

ummmm yeeahhhhhhh! that's NOT gonna happen! :trolleye:

[Powder]

a TMNT franchize without Casey Jones???

ummmm yeeahhhhhhh! that's NOT gonna happen! :trolleye:

He wasn't in The Next Miutation or the Archie comics, & he's only been included in the new film universe as an afterthought due to fans hounding them.

[myconius]

He wasn't in The Next Miutation or the Archie comics, & he's only been included in the new film universe as an afterthought due to fans hounding them.

the Archie comics i'm not very familiar with.

but Next Mutation should be cut into little itty bitty pieces and buried alive!

[shuriken]

There's also Kutzman who is human as far as we know.

Oh yeah... Forgot about him

[myconius]

There's also Kutzman who is human as far as we know.

yeah, i wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't something other-worldly going on with that guy!!

[victory_angel]

Oh yeah... Forgot about him

Maybe Kurtman could be King

[shuriken]

Well, there's the blind chef, Kurtzman, and Casey as the "normal" humans allies.
Everyone else is either a mutant, or partially Kraang.

[myconius]

Only one of the greatest motion pictures to ever be committed to celluloid!
Josie and the Pussycats (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AGZ7uuia44)

For serious though, I love this movie unironically.

i forgot they made that movie!!

i'll have to see if it's on netflix or included with amazon prime?

[Groverman62]

I love how you say Fandom Popularity as if its a conclusion nobody else I had come up with

[myconius]

perhaps this entire thread should just been a post in the 'The Official Venting/Whining/Criticism Thread!' :trazz::trazz::trazz::trazz: