Live Action Ghost in the Shell movie cast a Japanese actor

[TigerClaw]

The Ghost in the Shell live action movie is still happening with Scarlett Johansson, and they just cast Japanese actor Beat Takeshi for the role of Daisuke Aramaki, the chief of Public Security Section 9
http://kotaku.com/hollywood-ghost-in-the-shell-movie-finally-gets-a-japan-1762583224

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--ZN1iKTDh--/akjwij14gtxo6vokmqwd.jpg

[TurtleTitan97]

The whole cast should have been Japanese in the first place. Not interested in a whitewashed Ghost in the Shell.

[Powder]

The whole cast should have been Japanese in the first place. Not interested in a whitewashed Ghost in the Shell.

F**king this.

& while I LOVE Takeshi Kitano, he's an odd choice for this role.

[THGhost]

Interesting choice. Hopefully they'll at least try to make him look like Aramaki. Same goes for ScarJo with Motoko.

[TigerClaw]

Here's the first image of Scarlett Johansson in the Ghosts in the Shell movie.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fantasy/first-look-at-scarlett-johansson-in-ghost-in-the-shell-as-paramount-a137553

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[TurtleTitan97]

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[Spike Spiegel]

Apparently, Black Widow has been messing around with the scissors and hair dye she drunkenly purchased at Wal-Mart. Motoko looks like a generic Caucasian action girl.

Although I am curious as to how much they adapted the characters' traits (not just Kusanagi but also Aramaki and the whole Section 9 crew) from the manga as compared to the animated film. There was a warmth and camaraderie they all shared.

If they used the 1995 film as a template and tried to dumb down/simplify character motivations even more than that...then this movie might suck.

[Powder]

There's no "might" about it, it's been white-washed, case closed. Suck city.

[Commenter 42]

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[Andrew NDB]

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Read about that creep. How much you want to bet Robo-Scarlet has been equipped with a Fleshlight™ in her caboose?

[Candy Kappa]

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[Commenter 42]

Read about that creep. How much you want to bet Robo-Scarlet has been equipped with a Fleshlight™ in her caboose?

You know you would. You all would.

[TurtleTitan97]

You know you would. You all would.

I prefer my women to be of the human variety, thank you very much.

[Commenter 42]

I guess it's time to have the talk; this is where Scar-jo's come from.

[Andrew NDB]

Read about that creep. How much you want to bet Robo-Scarlet has been equipped with a Fleshlight™ in her caboose?

You know you would. You all would.

Well, yeah. If I'm going to pay tens of thousands of dollars for a replica robo-Scarlet Johansson, yeah, I better be able to f*ck it.

Still pretty creepy.

[Commenter 42]

Well, yeah. If I'm going to pay tens of thousands of dollars for a replica robo-Scarlet Johansson, yeah, I better be able to f*ck it.

Still pretty creepy.

Wait, now what part is creepy. :lol:

But hold up, Scar-jo is the last person I'd cast in this role, white washing or not.

Not to mention, why do we care about a live action GITS? The Anime was outstanding in it's day, and still remains a classic, but isn't it more to do with the level of artistry in the animation? Isn't it basically female blade runner, give or take?

Like, for my 10 dolla, I'd much rather 2hours with the guy in those pics - hell, give him the budget of GITS and a team, and see what we get.

WAY more interesting. 2cents.

[TurtleTitan97]

I guess it's time to have the talk; this is where Scar-jo's come from.

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[MsMarvelDuckie]

Looks like the pot's being stirred quite nicely already! Not sure how I feel about this one, but I kind of hope it turns out to be good- might o see it out of curiosity if nothing else.

[Prowler]

If people want to watch Ghost in the Shell, then they should just watch the anime. Not a foreign adaptation of it.

I wouldn't even trust Japan to pull out a good live action adaptation of GiTS, let alone USA.

As soon as this was announced, it was obvious they were going with non-Japanese actors for the most part.

So yeah, I'll just pretend this movie doesn't exist.

[TurtleTitan97]

Apparently the studio tried to use visual effects to make Scarlett look Asian: http://screencrush.com/ghost-in-the-shell-whitewashing-scarlett-johnasson-vfx/

Unbelievable :roll: I hope this film bombs hard.

[Prowler]

Apparently the studio tried to use visual effects to make Scarlett look Asian: http://screencrush.com/ghost-in-the-shell-whitewashing-scarlett-johnasson-vfx/

Unbelievable :roll: I hope this film bombs hard.
What the :lol:

[Coola Yagami]

Motoko looks white as all hell.... the only thing Asian about her is the name. I'm more concerned about the general setting of the movie. Is it still going to take place in Japan or will they screw it up even further and make it take place in the US instead?

[TurtleTitan97]

Motoko looks white as all hell.... the only thing Asian about her is the name. I'm more concerned about the general setting of the movie. Is it still going to take place in Japan or will they screw it up even further and make it take place in the US instead?

Survey says it's probably the latter. :roll:

[NinjaPug]

Some set pics:

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/doxfjvun4eoxdcoexgb4.JPG

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/nc159xcrcmrsld5upqgn.JPG

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-fi/new-ghost-in-the-shell-set-pics-feature-scarlett-johansson-as-the-major-a142431

[THGhost]

Isn't it basically female blade runner, give or take?

I think that's doing GitS a disservice. :P

Some set pics:

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/doxfjvun4eoxdcoexgb4.JPG

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/nc159xcrcmrsld5upqgn.JPG

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-fi/new-ghost-in-the-shell-set-pics-feature-scarlett-johansson-as-the-major-a142431

At least Batou sort of looks okay? http://clarkcountychatter.com/public/style_emoticons/default/shrug.gif

[sdp]

There are tons of examples of whitewashing in Hollywood that are far more insulting like the recent Dr. Strange one. To Hollywood's defense they only do it because sadly no one wants to see Asian actors.

It's been over ten years since I saw GitS but are asian actors really required? Is it that big of a deal to change Motoko's name? That doesn't even sound like a real name either and googling the name seems to confirm that. She's an android and I don't expect that to necessarily be asian looking. What things make this necessarily be set in Japan? Is the movie taking place in Tokio that important? It's more about what makes a human a human than anything else If I recall correctly. The concept of GitS can be done in any setting.

When I watch an anime I don't particularly think of the character as Japanese unless the setting is explicitly in Japan. With that said I wouldl've liked a japanese major and I think Johansson will make a terrible major and I'm unsure if Hollywood will be able to recreate what made GitS so awesome in the 90s but I do have higher hopes than this japanese produced version since their live action adaptations are usually DTV trash.

Edit: I just saw a set pic and if they're going for a Japanese look to the character or the setting is still Tokio then yeah it's going to be pretty embarrasing.

[THGhost]

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[TurtleTitan97]

Further proof that this project is being run by morons:

The producers realized that with a name like Motoko Kusangi, the character would be easily identified as Japanese, so Producer Steven Paul told Buzzfeed that Johansson’s character wouldn’t be referred to by Motoko Kusanagi, they decided to just call her by her rank, the Major.

http://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/ghost-in-the-shell/256821/ghost-in-the-shell-s-whitewashing-solution-is-a-major-disappointment

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Further proof that the this project is being run by morons:



http://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/ghost-in-the-shell/256821/ghost-in-the-shell-s-whitewashing-solution-is-a-major-disappointment

I don't mind a character being referred to simply by their rank, but that's pretty damn insulting. If it's such a big deal, simply rename the character.

I had no idea Edge of Tomorrow (or Live, Die, Repeat) was originally a manga or whatever it was before the movie.

[TigerClaw]

leaked images show Scarlett Johansson and the rest of the actors in costume.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/anime__manga/leaked-images-from-ghost-in-the-shell-show-scarlett-johansson-and-a144787

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[Spike Spiegel]

Not sure who the black dude is meant to be.

[TigerClaw]

Teaser videos shows a bit of footage, plus the logo was revealed.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/anime__manga/ghost-in-the-shell-teaser-videos-offer-up-a-first-look-at-footage-a145342

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[TigerClaw]

Two more teasers got released.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/anime__manga/scarlett-johanssons-major-takes-aim-in-two-more-teasers-for-ghost-in-a145348

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[THGhost]

New clip:

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Dare I say it? This actually looks good and loyal to source material! The script still has all the potential to be crap though.

[Allio]

Personally I don't care if this movie flops or not, they are releasing hardcover books of the manga, 1.5 and 2

I'm more than content

[THGhost]

Personally I don't care if this movie flops or not, they are releasing hardcover books of the manga, 1.5 and 2

I'm more than content

Hopefully 2 will be uncensored this time.

[TigerClaw]

Here's some BTS footage from Entertainment Tonight.

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[THGhost]

Here's some BTS footage from Entertainment Tonight.

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Thanks for that TigerClaw. :tcool:

"I like the wig."
"It's my hair."

:lol:

Man that interview was awkward. Footage looks cool though. Still not sure about the hair myself.

Batou has his Sleepless Eyes! YES!

Looks like they're even doing the scuba diving scene from the 95 movie.

[TigerClaw]

Here's a featurette on the movie, It also features the creator of the original anime.

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[THGhost]

These 3 shots please me to no end!

[TigerClaw]

Here's the trailer

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[Allio]

There is also a video from the Tokyo event showing a clip pf the "shelling" of Major, it has an orchestra of the original music playing over it, it's amazing

[THGhost]

Yep, here's that Shelling sequence: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10153998276835544&id=39795225543

Trailer looks great, saw it on Reddit earlier. Fans seem conflicted but I really like it, it feels like the 95 movie with a good mix of new stuff too. Great song choice.

[TigerClaw]

Yep, here's that Shelling sequence: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10153998276835544&id=39795225543

Trailer looks great, saw it on Reddit earlier. Fans seem conflicted but I really like it, it feels like the 95 movie with a good mix of new stuff too. Great song choice.
Here it is on youtube.

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[THGhost]

I was just about to post this. :lol: Cheers TigerClaw.

They kept the music! Hopefully it's in the final movie and wasn't just for the Tokyo event.

[sdp]

Man, I have mixed feelings as well, it feels like a generic Milla Jovovich film at times and GitS in others.

So I'm getting in the GitS mood, I've only ever watched the original movie and an episode or two of the show but that's a different continuity would you recommend it? It's a bit confusing with all the stuff they've released

Continuity 1: GitS (GitS 2.0 remaster) GitS 2 IIRC both the 2.0 remaster and sequel got bad reviews
Continuity 2 Stand Alone Complex: 2 "seasons" and 2 ovas
Continuity 3 Apex : 3 movies

[THGhost]

Man, I have mixed feelings as well, it feels like a generic Milla Jovovich film at times and GitS in others.

So I'm getting in the GitS mood, I've only ever watched the original movie and an episode or two of the show but that's a different continuity would you recommend it? It's a bit confusing with all the stuff they've released

Continuity 1: GitS (GitS 2.0 remaster) GitS 2 IIRC both the 2.0 remaster and sequel got bad reviews
Continuity 2 Stand Alone Complex: 2 "seasons" and 2 ovas
Continuity 3 Apex : 3 movies

Yes, definitely give Stand Alone Complex a complete watch. The light novels are also worth a read.

Here's a detailed list of all the continuities.

Movies:

1: Ghost In The Shell - 1995 theatrical animated film, Directed by Mamoru Oshii
1a: Ghost In The Shell 2.0 2008 remaster of original 1995 movie with extensive visual changes, new Japanese voice track and tweaked script, old English Dub, remastered music and new sound effects
1b: After the Long Goodbye 2005 novel, by Masaki Yamada
2: Ghost In The Shell 2: Innocence 2004 theatrical animated film, Directed by Mamoru Oshii


Stand Alone Complex:

1: Ghost In The Shell: Stand Alone Complex 2002 TV series, 26 episodes
1a: Ghost In The Shell: Stand Alone Complex - The Laughing Man re-edited version of first series main storyline, TV movie
1b: Ghost In The Shell: Stand Alone Complex 2004 PlayStation 2 game
1c: Ghost In The Shell: Stand Alone Complex 2005 PlayStation Portable game
1d: Ghost In The Shell: Stand Alone Complex - The Lost Memory 2002 novel, by Junichi Fujisaku
1e: Ghost In The Shell: Stand Alone Complex - Revenge of the Cold Machines 2002 short story collection, by Junichi Fujisaku
1f: Ghost In The Shell: Stand Alone Complex - White Maze 2002 novel, by Junichi Fujisaku
2: Ghost In The Shell: Stand Alone Complex 2nd Gig 2004 TV series, 26 episodes
2a: Ghost In The Shell: Stand Alone Complex 2nd Gig - The Individualist Eleven re-edited version of second series main storyline, TV movie
3: Ghost In The Shell: Stand Alone Complex: Solid State Society 2006 theatrical animated film


Arise:

1: Ghost In The Shell: Arise - borders 1-4 2013-2014 OVA series, 4 episodes
1a: Ghost In The Shell: Arise ~Sleepless Eye~ ongoing Manga, beginning 2013
1b: Ghost In The Shell: Arise - Alternative Architecture 2014 TV series, 10 episodes (8 episodes re-edited from OVA with 2 episodes added for TV broadcast of OVA titled "Pyrophoric Cult")
2: Ghost In The Shell: Shin Gekijouban 2015 theatrical animated film

[TigerClaw]

Here's the official poster

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxKOh7cXAAAE8_A.jpg:small

[THGhost]

Japanese fans are apparently loving the new trailer. :thumbsup:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/ghost-shell-trailer-exceeds-japanese-fans-expectations-948696

[Allio]

and as with the manga deluxe editions being released, it has been confirmed that blu-ray re-releases of Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocences, along with both seasons of Stand Alone Complex will be released.

So at this point, I don't care if the movie is bad, like with Godzilla I'm good with what comes out from it.

[TigerClaw]

Here's a new trailer

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[Shark_Blade]

Can't wait. :)

[TheSkeletonMan939]

That looks f*cking terrible.

[TurtleTitan97]

Yeah, I still don't have high hopes for this. No way this will surpass the original film.

[Coola Yagami]

I have to watch the first movie again, but wow. That trailer has scenes ripped out of the anime but in live action. Especially the fight in the rain sequence. I'm very excited.

[Allio]

It would be nice to add another "good" live action anime adaptation to the list.

Movies like death note and ruroni kenshin are getting lonely, and full metal doesn't seem to be wanting to join them

[sdp]

I think I now know what's bothering me about this film; It's PG-13. GiTS isn't a movie for kids, it should be rated R and I think it'll affect the final product. No I don't want gratuitous nudity, the "nude suit" they have works fine and I don't want extreme violence but think about The Matrix, that movie would be PG-13 now even if there's no nudity or extreme violence the R rating really helped it.

[Andrew NDB]

I think I now know what's bothering me about this film; It's PG-13. GiTS isn't a movie for kids, it should be rated R

Wait... this movie isn't rated R? I never doubted for a second this was going to be an adult, Matrix-like and R-rated fare. So all this people getting shot and throat-slitting and they won't be able to show any of it?

Definitely not watching it now. Definitely.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

I don't think the film has been rated yet. The trailer might have been rated PG-13 so that it could reach a wider audience in-theater.

[Andrew NDB]

I don't think the film has been rated yet. The trailer might have been rated PG-13 so that it could reach a wider audience in-theater.

I dunno... if it hasn't been rated yet by this point that more than likely want to keep it's PG-13ness at a public level close to their chests until closer to release.

[Andrew NDB]

So it's officially PG-13. No surprise there. Count me the hell out.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Juicy gossip fuel incoming!

Literally weeks from release, composer Lorne Balfe was revealed to be contributing music to the film (to supplement what Clint Mansell has done). Whenever an additional composer is brought on late in the game like this, it probably indicates that something went horribly (in the eyes of executives) wrong at test screenings.
You see, sometimes executives have this crazy idea that if test audiences don't like a movie, it's the musical score's fault. So in some cases, like here, they'll bring on a generic dude to add a few cues here and there. In others (Troy, 2004), they'll throw a perfectly good score out and replace it entirely. The reality is that changing the musical score is the easiest thing to do in post-production; executives are aware of this and they have the delusion that changing that one thing has a chance at fixing it all.

Anyway... water fight scene.

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[Andrew NDB]

Juicy gossip fuel incoming!

Literally weeks from release, composer Lorne Balfe was revealed to be contributing music to the film (to supplement what Clint Mansell has done). Whenever an additional composer is brought in late in the game like this, it probably indicates that something went horribly (in the eyes of executives) wrong at test screenings.
You see, sometimes executives have this crazy idea that if test audiences don't like a movie, it's the musical score's fault. So in some cases, like here, they'll bring on a generic dude to add a few cues here and there. In others (Troy, 2004), they'll throw a perfectly good score out and replace it entirely. The reality is that changing the musical score is the easiest thing to do in post-production; executives are aware of this and they have the delusion that changing that one thing has a chance at fixing it all.

Anyway... water fight scene.



It has the watered down, saline scent of failure all over it.

[Allio]

well, the movie can't be any worse than Arise.

[Allio]

reviews are coming out.

One of the spoilers seems to reveal what I wanted


That they are playing up the part of "white washed" character

It's revealed that Major's original human body was a japanese person put into a Caucasian droid.
Kuze, her brother, is the villain, trying to get her back.

This actually hits the whole theme of "identity" of ghost in theshell.

[THGhost]

So apparently the movie is decent, not horrible like Dragonball Evolution. Seeing it Sunday, can't wait.

reviews are coming out.

One of the spoilers seems to reveal what I wanted


That they are playing up the part of "white washed" character

It's revealed that Major's original human body was a japanese person put into a Caucasian droid.
Kuze, her brother, is the villain, trying to get her back.

This actually hits the whole theme of "identity" of ghost in theshell.



If you've seen SAC, this shouldn't really be a surprise.

[Allio]

So apparently the movie is decent, not horrible like Dragonball Evolution. Seeing it Sunday, can't wait.


So that makes it like what top 10 live action anime adaptation

[Krutch]

I thought it was boring as s***, but I'm not really attached to the source material. I love Cyberpunk but also aware it runs a high risk of being boring and monotonous if not done well and this hits one note and runs with it for two hours.

Visually cool, though.

[TigerClaw]

Saw it in 3D today, I thought it was good, Just like the anime, Even though I only saw the 1st one, I thought the visuals were fantastic, its like the anime brought to life.

Regarding the whitewashing controversy.
The fact the Major was previously a Japanese girl, Whose brain was transfered to a robot body that looks American.
I think it makes sense in this story.

[TigerClaw]

Looks like it bombed at the box office, Its only #3 and only made 19 million, The Boss Baby is #1 with Beauty and the Beast at #2.
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/anime__manga/box-office-ghost-in-the-shell-is-no-match-for-the-boss-baby-a150105

[Andrew NDB]

Looks like it bombed at the box office, Its only #3 and only made 19 million, The Boss Baby is #1 with Beauty and the Beast at #2.
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/anime__manga/box-office-ghost-in-the-shell-is-no-match-for-the-boss-baby-a150105

Oops. Should have made it for adults. They'll never learn.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

I assume this is getting a Chinese release. Maybe it'll fare better over there.

[TigerClaw]

The Box Office this week.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/

1. The Boss Baby = $49,000,000

2. Beauty and the Beast (2017) = $47,543,000

3. Ghost in the Shell (2017) = $19,000,000

4. Power Rangers (2017) = $14,500,000

5. Kong: Skull Island = $8,800,000

[Allio]

The fact boss baby is a thing kills me

[TigerClaw]

The fact boss baby is a thing kills me
I guess it shows where the mindset of the average moviegoer is.

[ProactiveMan]

I saw it yesterday. I really liked the soundtrack, but everything else about it was hit-and-miss.

Some of the visuals were stunning, but they didn't go far enough most of the time. For example, the city looked appropriately futuristic, but oddly underpopulated - it's like they cheaped out on extras and vehicles. Some of the costumes were really nice, and others looked like cosplay. Some of the performances were great, some of them were pretty bad.

The biggest problem for me was the plot - they dumbed down a lot of the anime's themes, and really messed up its philosophical ideas. To be honest, I don't think the original was an unimpeachable masterpiece, but it effectively floats some interesting ideas about consciousnesses and what it means. The remake doesn't really do that.

[THGhost]

It's a shame it isn't doing well financially, because I really enjoyed it. Gorgeous visuals and stayed true to the source material.

Regarding the whitewashing controversy.
The fact the Major was previously a Japanese girl, Whose brain was transfered to a robot body that looks American.

Finally, somebody else who actually knows the source material.

Every time I see an article moaning about the whitewashing, all it tells me is that they don't know the source material/what they're talking about. :P Whitewashing is definitely a problem in Hollywood, but I don't think it applies to GitS. It's not like this version has her called "Mira Killian" and that's it, no Hanka conspiracy, no cyberbrain, nothing.

The biggest problem for me was the plot - they dumbed down a lot of the anime's themes, and really messed up its philosophical ideas. To be honest, I don't think the original was an unimpeachable masterpiece, but it effectively floats some interesting ideas about consciousnesses and what it means. The remake doesn't really do that.

Stuff like this is always dumbed down for Hollywood, which is silly tbh. But it can ease audiences in to a "new" concept and then elaborate on it with a sequel. Unfortunately, a sequel to GitS 2017 isn't looking likely at the moment.

[TigerClaw]

GHOST IN THE SHELL Doubles Domestic Earnings Abroad
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/anime__manga/box-office-ghost-in-the-shell-doubles-domestic-earnings-abroad-a150129

Though Scarlett Johansson's Ghost in the Shell debuted in third place (behind Boss Baby and Beauty and the Beast) to the tune of $19 million, the Hollywood anime adaptation earned $40.1 million abroad, giving the film a worldwide opening weekend debut of $59.1 million.

These strong international numbers were achieved WITHOUT box office dollars from China (or Japan), where the film opens on April 7. Presently, it looks as if the film will easily eclipse its estimated $110 million production budget and with no studio tent-poles releasing this weekend, Ghost in the Shell should have a fairly solid second weekend of release before April 14 sees the release of The Fate of the Furious.

[Andrew NDB]

Presently, it looks as if the film will easily eclipse its estimated $110 million production budget

That's not the way it works.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Ghost in the Shell should have a fairly solid second weekend of release before April 14 sees the release of The Fate of the Furious.

Oh ****, poor timing there. Yeah, this is gonna be a loss for the studio.

[THGhost]

That's not the way it works.

Care to explain?

[Andrew NDB]

Care to explain?

Studios don't get all of the domestic box office and only about half of the international box office, doesn't account for the marketing budget, blah blah we've had this conversation in a dozen threads.

[ProactiveMan]

Stuff like this is always dumbed down for Hollywood, which is silly tbh. But it can ease audiences in to a "new" concept and then elaborate on it with a sequel. Unfortunately, a sequel to GitS 2017 isn't looking likely at the moment.
Well the could have at least eased us into some more interesting concepts. This movie seemed to be more about the importance of individuality and identity, whereas the original was almost the opposite. There have been more than enough movies about individuality.

[Allio]

theanimeman puts his thoughts into regards of anime live action

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[sdp]

I hate how people are saying that the whitewashing is what made this movie bomb, people are so self-entitled and full of themselves. It failed because people weren't interested, haven't seen it and likely won't for a while but I think I'll enjoy it.

What could've made it be a success is if it had been a rated R movie. Here it is just another superhero movie without the characters people love. If they had marketed it as this R rated japanese adaptation that inspired The Matrix or whatever they could've drawn an older crowd who would've seen it just because it was cool.

[Andrew NDB]

I hate how people are saying that the whitewashing is what made this movie bomb

Yeah, that's pretty moronic. It would also be funny to take those people into a time machine, go back in time, make the studio cast a full Japanese cast, then time travel back to the present to see how vastly worse it would have bombed.

What could've made it be a success is if it had been a rated R movie. Here it is just another superhero movie without the characters people love. If they had marketed it as this R rated japanese adaptation that inspired The Matrix or whatever they could've drawn an older crowd who would've seen it just because it was cool.

Precisely. Like I said, this could have easily been the next Matrix... now it'll just be remembered (if it'll even be remembered at all) as some random, kiddified anime adaptation. Or something.

[plastroncafe]

I don't see why it couldn't have been both.
Or why the former played into the latter.

I mean, it did for me.
I love ScarJo, and action movies, but the white-washing kept me out of the theater.

Maybe I'll catch it when it streams for free.
In the meantime: Atomic Blonde!
Now that's a movie I can't wait to see.

[Allio]

I'd say it's top ten live action anime films, but then again, it isn't like there are a strong contenders save for just a small few.

Like I was severely disappointed in Lupin the Third live action.

[THGhost]

I'd say it's top ten live action anime films, but then again, it isn't like there are a strong contenders save for just a small few.

Like I was severely disappointed in Lupin the Third live action.

How many live action anime films have legitimately been good? They can be good/decent films but performed badly financially like this one.

[Allio]

How many live action anime films have legitimately been good? They can be good/decent films but performed badly financially like this one.

the three films I legitimately enjoyed were: Death Note, Ruroni Kenshin, Gants. I'm going to try Kaiji later, I hear it's good.

Guyver 2 was pretty decent, but that mainly goes into "taking a ****** first, and making it better" category and not really dealing with what is presented in the series.

I also want to watch Ousama Game, only because I enjoyed the manga, but I hear it's crap.

I'm watching the live drama "Liar's game"

[MsMarvelDuckie]

YeahvI'd say Death Note was among the few good ones I know of. Hope this is too but have not yet had a chance to see it.

[ProactiveMan]

Yeah, that's pretty moronic. It would also be funny to take those people into a time machine, go back in time, make the studio cast a full Japanese cast, then time travel back to the present to see how vastly worse it would have bombed.

Precisely. Like I said, this could have easily been the next Matrix... now it'll just be remembered (if it'll even be remembered at all) as some random, kiddified anime adaptation. Or something.

The whole thing was miscalculated from the ground up. If they were counting on anime fans, or people familiar with the original putting them in the black after spending $110 mil, I think they overestimated the size of that audience, and then they alienated the purists straight away.

They advertised it as an arty, quirky, high-concept sci-fi, which is a category of movie that rarely makes money, at least in the short term. Then they changed tack and implied that it was sci-fi action and it wasn't.

I don't think this movie would be better with an R rating either; it would just be an R rated failure rather than a PG-13 failure. I do agree that an adaptation of Ghost in the Shell would be better if it were more adult oriented, but this one was a lost cause on a conceptual level.

[Coola Yagami]

I loved it. Every time there was a scene that looked like it was ripped right out of the anime, I geeked out. I mean it wasn't perfect but this is possibly the best anime live action movie made in America ever and Scarjo flat out looks like The Major. I mean damn... the fight in that huge puddle of water, the spider tank scene, all the visuals, just damn.

This really didn't need an R rating. I mean the only thing I could recall in the original anime was some dude getting his head blown up but that's hardly R material.

[Andrew NDB]

This really didn't need an R rating.

Of course it does. From the trailers alone you can see bunches of people getting shot. Quick-cut frenetically, with no trace of blood. That isn't the way that should work.

And just looking at some clips of the anime on Youtube I see dudes getting shot in the face, brains and blood flying around.

I mean the only thing I could recall in the original anime was some dude getting his head blown up but that's hardly R material.

Uh... what?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Maybe I'll catch it when it streams for free.
In the meantime: Atomic Blonde!
Now that's a movie I can't wait to see.

You and me both. :tcool:

[THGhost]

Of course it does. From the trailers alone you can see bunches of people getting shot. Quick-cut frenetically, with no trace of blood. That isn't the way that should work.

You're right, it isn't. But it's how PG-13 works unfortunately. This is why I was so happy to actually see blood coming out whenever Wolverine killed someone in Logan.

Maybe we'll see a director's/extended cut?

Maybe I'll catch it when it streams for free.
In the meantime: Atomic Blonde!
Now that's a movie I can't wait to see.

You and me both. :tcool:

Right there with you. :tcool:

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Maybe we'll see a director's/extended cut?

Unless it's something they've already done the VFX for, probably not at this rate. Whenever low-grossing films get the extended cut treatment, it's not like the studio is paying to put back in expensive scenes.

[Shark_Blade]

Paramount Blames Ghost In The Shell Bomb On Whitewashing Controversy

http://comicbook.com/anime/2017/04/05/ghost-in-the-shell-whitewashing-paramount/

Bye bye sequel.

[Mayhem]

Watched it last night with the new gf. I rather enjoyed it, but then, I knew the original manga and anime. Couple of missed opportunities plot wise, that could have been expanded on (what happens to Batou after a certain point for example) but it was damn good to see Beat Takeshi on screen again :D

[THGhost]

Well, a new anime (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2017-04-06/ghost-in-the-shell-gets-new-anime-from-kenji-kamiyama-shinji-aramaki/.114481) from the creators of SAC and a new anthology manga (http://comicbook.com/anime/2017/02/14/new-ghost-in-the-shell-manga-previewed) are being produced. So there's that. :tcool:

[Shark_Blade]

Ghost in the Shell to loose nearly $60 millions.

http://comicbook.com/anime/2017/04/07/ghost-in-the-shell-box-office-anime-movie/

[CyberCubed]

Good. I hope all bad movies bomb and cost the companies money.

[Coola Yagami]

Ghost in the Shell to loose nearly $60 millions.

http://comicbook.com/anime/2017/04/07/ghost-in-the-shell-box-office-anime-movie/

T'is a shame. It really was an awesome movie. And then these same idiots defend Netflix's whitewashed Death Note and write entire essays why it makes sense for L to be black. And unlike Ghost in the Shell, they don't can't use robot bodies as an excuse.

Motoko always looked white to me anyway.

[Coola Yagami]

Of course it does. From the trailers alone you can see bunches of people getting shot. Quick-cut frenetically, with no trace of blood. That isn't the way that should work.

And just looking at some clips of the anime on Youtube I see dudes getting shot in the face, brains and blood flying around.



Uh... what?

It's not that bad if it happens once. And I just remember seeing that one guy getting his head blown up. It wasn't multiple times, nor do we see Motoko yanking out peoples' intestines and stomping on their brains. It wasn't really worth an R rating unless they drop extra F bombs just to give it an R rating just because.

[Andrew NDB]

And then these same idiots defend Netflix's whitewashed Death Note and write entire essays why it makes sense for L to be black.

But... that's set in the US. Where were all the people angry about The Ring being whitewashed?

[Allio]

apparently books/live action remakes don't count.

[plastroncafe]

Andrew, they were watching Ringu.

Though I'm curious how caring a black actor is Whitewashing.
Please, go on.

[Coola Yagami]

Andrew, they were watching Ringu.

Though I'm curious how caring a black actor is Whitewashing.
Please, go on.

No the whitewashing went with Light Yagami being white and well... the actor not looking all that much like Light.

[sdp]

Black L doesn't work for me because he was meant to look pale as f-ck and being black makes that hard to do. With anime most of the time characters don't even look Japanese so unless they take place in Tokyo I'm fine with the characters being white, just look at how ridiculous asian Serena looks on the live action Sailor Moon live action show. But yeah how can you justify a black L but complain about an american adaptation of ____ anime?

The change in Dr. Strange? Now that one is one to be p-ssed about, not the above.


But... that's set in the US. Where were all the people angry about The Ring being whitewashed?
I was thinking just about this earlier today, the reason? No SJWs and entitled blogs back then. #whytrumpwon

[Coola Yagami]

Black L doesn't work for me because he was meant to look pale as f-ck and being black makes that hard to do. With anime most of the time characters don't even look Japanese so unless they take place in Tokyo I'm fine with the characters being white, just look at how ridiculous asian Serena looks on the live action Sailor Moon live action show. But yeah how can you justify a black L but complain about an american adaptation of ____ anime?

The change in Dr. Strange? Now that one is one to be p-ssed about, not the above.



I was thinking just about this earlier today, the reason? No SJWs and entitled blogs back then. #whytrumpwon

I'm also guessing most of them don't even know The Ring was a Japanese thing and think it was an original American horror concept.

[Allio]

for me, black L works only because essentially as long as L is a different race than Light I was fine (though I think creators said L was 1/4 japanese.)

[THGhost]

I'm also guessing most of them don't even know The Ring was a Japanese thing and think it was an original American horror concept.

I know I sure thought that when it first came out.

[Candy Kappa]

But... that's set in the US. Where were all the people angry about The Ring being whitewashed?

Maybe people was satisfied enough to complain what a garbage movie The Ring was. :lol:

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Good. I hope all bad movies bomb and cost the companies money.


Have you even SEEN it? Honestly, the box office numbers are NOT an indication of how good or bad it actually was. They clearly aimed for the wrong audience here. And it really is a shame it lost so much in this case, as it was pretty decent. There was something "missing" that I can't quite put my finger on, but the acting was spot-on for the main characters, and the story was an interesting mix of the original film and some stuff from 2nd Gig. Several of the scenes were almost beat-for-beat exactly like the original anime film. Particularly the water-fight scene (though there was a slight difference in how that one concluded, with Major having to be pulled off the guy) the battle with the spider-tank, and the dinner party were all very similar to the anime. Even the scene with Major diving in the harbor and her conversation with Batou on the boat ran in a similar way to the original. Point is, after watching the two back-to-back, I actually was able to appreciate what they did with the new one, even though I feel that it fell a bit short somewhere in the execution. The ones who said it should have had a solid R rating are right though- it needed to be aimed at a more mature audience. And maybe promoted a bit more, as it seems few people even knew of it. On an interesting note, when I saw it yesterday, only 5 other people were in the theater- and they were all older men in their 50's-60's!! Weird....


It's not that bad if it happens once. And I just remember seeing that one guy getting his head blown up. It wasn't multiple times, nor do we see Motoko yanking out peoples' intestines and stomping on their brains. It wasn't really worth an R rating unless they drop extra F bombs just to give it an R rating just because.


I feel I need to chime in on this. "Not that bad" is kind of a silly statement in this case, since it wasn't JUST one guy, or even two. Actually, if you want to get technical, there were SEVERAL people who got their heads (or other parts) blown off on-screen, and at least three actual major character deaths. To be fair, MOST of the on-screen kills were either robots or faceless soldiers for Hanka, but that hardly matters. This was certainly a violent film. Seeing the geisha-bot getting its head shot to heck, or bodies dismembered and hung up like bags of garbage certainly warrants an R rating....

[TigerClaw]

The movie got knocked down to #5 with The Boss Baby still at #1.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/

1. The Boss Baby - $26,300,000
2. Beauty and the Beast - $25,022,000
3. Smurfs: The Lost Village - $14,015,000
4. Going in Style - $12,500,000
5. Ghost In The Shell - $7,350,000

[Allio]

Boss baby is slowly killing me

[THGhost]

The movie has now made its budget back, currently standing at $124.4 million on a $110 million budget, although I hear the budget is actually closer to $180 million.

[Candy Kappa]

The movie has now made its budget back, currently standing at $124.4 million on a $110 million budget, although I hear the budget is actually closer to $180 million.

If they make another $100m they'll be even with a budget on $110m, and that's not accounting for the marketing budget.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

They're taking a loss on this one. It'd be interesting to visit an alternate world where this was rated R and see if it would be faring any better. I doubt it.

[Candy Kappa]

Would really a extra cuss word or some cgi blood splatters make the movie any different?

[TheSkeletonMan939]

No, but maybe more people like Andrew would be attracted. But then you're losing that precious 12-16 crowd. I dunno.

[Andrew NDB]

Would really a extra cuss word or some cgi blood splatters make the movie any different?

It would make it more realistic and not watered down. And responsible.

No, but maybe more people like Andrew would be attracted. But then you're losing that precious 12-16 crowd. I dunno.

Not really. I know tons of 12-16 year olds that still go to R-rated movies. As a kid it wasn't even a big deal. And all you need is a 17 year-old with you.

[Andrew NDB]

Also, consensus from actual Japanese people in Japan: movie is oh-kay, and no problem with ScarJo at all:

http://comicbook.com/anime/2017/04/09/ghost-in-the-shell-scarlett-johansson-japanese-reactions/

[THGhost]

If they make another $100m they'll be even with a budget on $110m, and that's not accounting for the marketing budget.

Yeah, sadly I don't see it happening.

They're taking a loss on this one. It'd be interesting to visit an alternate world where this was rated R and see if it would be faring any better. I doubt it.

Would really a extra cuss word or some cgi blood splatters make the movie any different?


No, it would not.

[Coola Yagami]

Also, consensus from actual Japanese people in Japan: movie is oh-kay, and no problem with ScarJo at all:

http://comicbook.com/anime/2017/04/09/ghost-in-the-shell-scarlett-johansson-japanese-reactions/

It helps that Scarjo looks like The Major.

[Andrew NDB]

Finally saw it. It's on Amazon Prime with commercials. I didn't dislike it. Great sweeping visuals and they did a good enough job to invest us in at least the main character, if no one else, really. Only 2 real complaints:

1: It went by so fast! I was just staring to go, "OK, I'm ready for the big finale now! I understand the world and the character and the stakes now!" But then it was over. Another 30 minutes or so was needed. Maybe they were shooting for "the trilogy"?

2: No, the PG-13 rating definitely hurt things. I thought it was mostly just going to be synthetic people blowing away synthetic people... but no. There are PLENTY of normal humans getting machine-gunned to death or shot in the head/face completely bloodlessly.

"Alita" was much better, honestly, but this wasn't BAD.

Btw: Can anyone "in the know" provide like a timeline of the "real" anime movies of this? I'm not really into anime but I'd be willing to give them a go to see what they were really going for.

[IMJ]

Finally saw it. It's on Amazon Prime with commercials. I didn't dislike it. Great sweeping visuals and they did a good enough job to invest us in at least the main character, if no one else, really. Only 2 real complaints:

1: It went by so fast! I was just staring to go, "OK, I'm ready for the big finale now! I understand the world and the character and the stakes now!" But then it was over. Another 30 minutes or so was needed. Maybe they were shooting for "the trilogy"?

2: No, the PG-13 rating definitely hurt things. I thought it was mostly just going to be synthetic people blowing away synthetic people... but no. There are PLENTY of normal humans getting machine-gunned to death or shot in the head/face completely bloodlessly.

"Alita" was much better, honestly, but this wasn't BAD.

Btw: Can anyone "in the know" provide like a timeline of the "real" anime movies of this? I'm not really into anime but I'd be willing to give them a go to see what they were really going for.

I loved it - in it's own way it was as beautifully filmed as Blade Runner 2049 was. My biggest issue with it was only that they had to do the "dumb down the otherwise complex story to a common American style narrative for audiences" thing. The original existentialism was the core competence that made the original so enduring outside of the visuals of the time.

[Coola Yagami]

I loved it - in it's own way it was as beautifully filmed as Blade Runner 2049 was. My biggest issue with it was only that they had to do the "dumb down the otherwise complex story to a common American style narrative for audiences" thing. The original existentialism was the core competence that made the original so enduring outside of the visuals of the time.

I agree. Also wish they kept the GITS theme during the movie and not just at the end. Like yeah, it was a nice tribute at the closing credits, but I wanted to hear it DURING the movie.

[sdp]

I watched it on Oculus VR, the 3D is amazing, it was done very well. The movie was just boring to me, it also bothered me that Scarlett Johansson was the major, as you can see in this thread I defended the choice in the role since the shells are not necessarily meant to be asian but I think maybe an asian actress or someone not scarlett would've been a better choice.

I loved it - in it's own way it was as beautifully filmed as Blade Runner 2049 was.

I recently watched both Blade Runner and 2049, both are great movies. The original wasn't amazing to me but I think it's because I've seen so many similar stories by now that this one didn't impress as much as it should've if I had watched it say 35 years ago. 2049 is filmed beautifully indeed though, there's something just fresh about that movie, it doesn't feel like your generic action movie. The world doesn't seem as grim but overall I enjoyed it very much. I'm glad it bombed since I don't think I want a sequel.

I think I'll watch that spiritual tv show Electric Dreams on Amazon Prime instead.

[IMJ]

I think I'll watch that spiritual tv show Electric Dreams on Amazon Prime instead.

I want to give that show another go. I had a hard time getting through the first episode.

[Coola Yagami]

I watched it on Oculus VR, the 3D is amazing, it was done very well. The movie was just boring to me, it also bothered me that Scarlett Johansson was the major, as you can see in this thread I defended the choice in the role since the shells are not necessarily meant to be asian but I think maybe an asian actress or someone not scarlett would've been a better choice.


But then she wouldn't look like the Major. I don't see many people with the face and the body that could have looked like the Major more than Scarjo did.

[Andrew NDB]

They had an Asian actress play the original human near the beginning. I honestly don't understand the problem and never have.

Like, who did they even have in the movie other than ScarJo for marquee value, to bring in audiences? Nobody. It's like (largely the white people, blue-haired types) people wanted them to cast... I don't know, Rila Fukushima, just because it was a Japanese anime, even if this would mean for sure it would have just tanked worse than it did. But as long as "justice" is had, right?

Again, where were all the people complaining about the rather popular The Ring remake not having a bunch of Japanese people in it? Weird.

[Sumac]

Funny thing, that Japanese themselves haven't complained about ScarJo, all complaining was done by white people from the West.
Typical case of dumbos being offended on behalf of others and proving that they are fragile snowflakes, not people they are supposedly protecting.

[IMJ]

Again, where were all the people complaining about the rather popular The Ring remake not having a bunch of Japanese people in it? Weird.

They didn't complain about the Ring because those movies came before the current cultural zeitgeist to be a sheep-racial-complainer. There was no societal incentive to complain about it then. Ghost In The Shell was a flawed, but great movie. In any other climate of normalcy it would've been a huge hit.

These people are disingenuous. They are liars and on-boarders. Don't believe them.

Funny thing, that Japanese themselves haven't complained about ScarJo, all complaining was done by white people from the West.
Typical case of dumbos being offended on behalf of others and proving that they are fragile snowflakes, not people they are supposedly protecting.

[sdp]

You can look at my posts in the thread, I always defended a white person being the major, I just didn't like her in the actual movie. I do think perhaps a japanese actor could've been better but I'm not against anyone else since it's just a "shell", she was a terrible choice.

[Coola Yagami]

You can look at my posts in the thread, I always defended a white person being the major, I just didn't like her in the actual movie. I do think perhaps a japanese actor could've been better but I'm not against anyone else since it's just a "shell", she was a terrible choice.

Find me an Asian action star actress with the exact same body as Scarjo and we'll talk.

Funny thing, that Japanese themselves haven't complained about ScarJo, all complaining was done by white people from the West.
Typical case of dumbos being offended on behalf of others and proving that they are fragile snowflakes, not people they are supposedly protecting.

The worst part is, the creator of GITS himself liked Scarjo as the Major and these snowflake idiots have the nerve to say 'who cares if he did?' Like dude, **** off, you don't even like anime and just looking for something to pissy about.

[Sumac]

The worst part is, the creator of GITS himself liked Scarjo as the Major and these snowflake idiots have the nerve to say 'who cares if he did?' Like dude, **** off, you don't even like anime and just looking for something to pissy about.
In their minds he must be racist towards his own race, otherwise, how can anyone think that it's OK?

[sdp]

Find me an Asian action star actress with the exact same body as Scarjo and we'll talk.
I'm not into actors to know , but there are so many people out there it can't be difficult, to me u don't care if they have "star" powers i want someone to fit the role. I don't think scarjo fits the role of the major and frankly she's ugly now, I used to find her hot before but I don't know what surgeries she had that it didn't go well. She's also in her 30s and not 20s anymore when she was in her best looks.
She didn't do a good job in the movie, ticket sales weren't good so yeah I think they could've chosen better

[Andrew NDB]

It probably flopped for the same reasons Blade Runner 2 failed. Apparently this kind of movie is hard to market in this age. Would making this western production be an entirely Japanese cast have saved it, or even brought in one extra dollar? No. The opposite, if anything.

Honestly, the movie just needed more time to breathe towards the end, having watched it at last. And more teeth. But I don't know how much the SJW media daggers about diversity before it came out hurt it or just made it so people treated it as radioactive. No clue. That Blade Runner 2 failed so badly with a proven director and a good movie makes me think in other directions.

[Sumac]

It is strange - quality picture and good story, but they are failures while Marvel and DC make millions by offering the same routine over and over again. Sad.

[Leo656]

It is strange - quality picture and good story, but they are failures while Marvel and DC make millions by offering the same routine over and over again. Sad.

It comes down to something Robert Zemeckis said in an interview some time ago. He was specifically talking about movie trailers and how much they "give the house away", but it applies to the overall movie experience just as well. To paraphrase, he essentially said that "People nowadays only want to spend money on a movie if they know EXACTLY what they're getting, and already know in advance that they're going to like it."

They don't want to be confused, or challenged, or made to think, or god forbid have to watch a movie more than once to understand it or know if they liked it. They want "comfort food". Stuff like "Blade Runner" and "Ghost in the Shell" is the exact opposite of that. Thus, those movies fail, while super-hero movies, the cinematic equivalent of McDonalds, make billions of dollars hand over fist.

It doesn't matter if you're offering the movie equivalent of filet mignon; if a person has never had filet mignon, 99 times out of 100 they'll go for the Big Mac because that's just how people are.

[sdp]

It probably flopped for the same reasons Blade Runner 2 failed.

I would never compare GITS to 2049, one is actually good and the other is a watered down hybrid of the different anime series. I do think sci-fi like this is difficult for the current audience that is used to ADD cookie cutter Marvel capesh-t but GOITS isn't a good movie and no the SJW media didn't cause it to fail either with their "boycotts", I've yet to see a boycott from either side actually work.
As soon as superhero movies stop being relevant perhaps we'll see some diversity in the genres out there. I wanted to love GITS but it wasn't a great movie and I think Scarjo was a horrible major.

[Sumac]

It comes down to something Robert Zemeckis said in an interview some time ago. He was specifically talking about movie trailers and how much they "give the house away", but it applies to the overall movie experience just as well. To paraphrase, he essentially said that "People nowadays only want to spend money on a movie if they know EXACTLY what they're getting, and already know in advance that they're going to like it."

They don't want to be confused, or challenged, or made to think, or god forbid have to watch a movie more than once to understand it or know if they liked it. They want "comfort food". Stuff like "Blade Runner" and "Ghost in the Shell" is the exact opposite of that. Thus, those movies fail, while super-hero movies, the cinematic equivalent of McDonalds, make billions of dollars hand over fist.

It doesn't matter if you're offering the movie equivalent of filet mignon; if a person has never had filet mignon, 99 times out of 100 they'll go for the Big Mac because that's just how people are.
Sadly this permeates every media this days, including music and video games.
Though, I must admit I am of the same logic - I've noticed that in the last few years, I usually notice only things that I have some level of familiarity with and tend to ignore things that I don't know before.

I would never compare GITS to 2049, one is actually good and the other is a watered down hybrid of the different anime series. I do think sci-fi like this is difficult for the current audience that is used to ADD cookie cutter Marvel capesh-t but GOITS isn't a good movie and no the SJW media didn't cause it to fail either with their "boycotts", I've yet to see a boycott from either side actually work.
As soon as superhero movies stop being relevant perhaps we'll see some diversity in the genres out there. I wanted to love GITS but it wasn't a great movie and I think Scarjo was a horrible major.
If anything, I thought BR2049 was extremely boring and predictable movie, which gathered all possible melodramatic clichés under its wings.

GITS was by no means a revelation, but at least it was more interesting, when it came to the story and had likable characters. Seriously the guy who played protag in BR2049 belongs to McDonalds salesmen, not to Hollywood. His ability to emote is worse than that of wooden knob.

[sdp]

Maybe it's more interesting if you hadn't already seen the anime before it. As to the second part, he's a replicant, of course he's supposed to be wooden :lol:.

[Sumac]

Eh, I watched one of the GITS series (Stand Alone Complex) and the first movie, so I kinda was familiar with the series. While movie wasn't close to either of them, its still was quite good.

As for the guy in BR2049, meaning he is a replicant doesn't mean he should have charisma and a presence of a brick.
You know how Terminator is? This guy supposed to be a killing machine with no feelings, yet he commands presence by just being there.
So guy from BR2049 being a replicant is extremely weak justification of his bad acting chops.

[Leo656]

I mean, I still haven't seen the second Blade Runner (I know, I know, don't @ me; I've been busy and my wife didn't love the original :trazz:), but Rutger Hauer in the first one kinda disproved the whole "Replicant = Wooden" thing, no?

I am gonna watch it, though, honest.

[IMJ]

I mean, I still haven't seen the second Blade Runner (I know, I know, don't @ me; I've been busy and my wife didn't love the original :trazz:), but Rutger Hauer in the first one kinda disproved the whole "Replicant = Wooden" thing, no?

I am gonna watch it, though, honest.

Do you have a Blu-Ray player at home?

[Leo656]

I have an Xbox One, sir...

[IMJ]

I have an Xbox One, sir...

I think I have an extra copy or two on Blu Ray. I bought that movie several times because various releases came with cool exclusive BR 2049 swag. I'll try to turn an extra up this evening and if I do I'll send it to you.

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