Official Episode Discussion S4 Ep 9:The Cosmic Ocean

[Vicky82]

OK guys we're back, the episode is up on Itunes now so discuss away. Also can the mods sticky this thread please.

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The Turtles journey through an ocean-like area of space.

[CyberCubed]

Man, I completely forgot a new episode was airing already. What the...

[Vicky82]

Man, I completely forgot a new episode was airing already. What the...

Don't forget your clocks have gone forward too.

[TigerClaw]

Almost time. :)

[xenopokemon]

Aww snap, Armaggon finally makes his reappearance. Not too surprised, though.

[TurFlytle]

Like the reference to TMNT on NES with the electric seaweed. :)

[Etsyturtle2]

Merdude. haha.

[PangolinFeets]

So much Lovecraft.

[TurFlytle]

I guess Cthugga is like Cthulhu in a sense.

[PangolinFeets]

I guess Cthugga is like Cthulhu in a sense.

They're also called Dagon.

[Etsyturtle2]

was that ray fillet when mikey was imagining what theyd look like? IT was fast but i recognised that.

[TigerClaw]

Like the reference to TMNT on NES with the electric seaweed. :)
noticed that too since you just mention it. :)

was that ray fillet when mikey was imagining what theyd look like? IT was fast but i recognised that.
Yeah, the archie comics version.

[TurFlytle]

Did Fugitoid seriously make that Star Trek reference while they're in danger?

[xenopokemon]

I busted out laughing on "I'm giving 'er all she's got, Captain" :lol:

[TurFlytle]

He has chest missiles?

[TurFlytle]

So, they're the insect Kraang?

[TurFlytle]

TBH it was obvious they were going to return.

[Vicky82]

Great episode, too bad the stream was lagging badly at the end so missed most of the fight.

[TigerClaw]

It was a good episode, we still haven't seen the last of Lord Dregg and Armaggon.

[xenopokemon]

So, they're the insect Kraang?

I don't think so. They don't all speak together. They seem to be a bit stronger (however the nerfenning hasn't happened yet). There isn't a SubPrime. In fact, I don't think we've ever seen the Kraang "back off" because their leader for the time being was attacked. Correct me if I am wrong.

[The Happy One]

Y'know that episode was so enjoyable!

-The animation was beyond amazing:D
-Nice Leo centric! His scenes with Splinter always break my heart

And, also, the characterization was a billion times better than the last episode, which is good:)

It's nice to see them moving the plot along and bringing back characters- not just having them around for only one episode:tthumbsu:

Overall 8.5/10:D

[pannoni1]

Nice balance of characterization and development, the animation was above average, and a good way to move along even if a friend distracted me a couple times during the episode.

Overall: 8/10

[Vicky82]

IGN review up.

8.4

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2016/03/13/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-the-cosmic-ocean-review

[drgon78]

Great episode and good animation.

[ranger_scout]

This was one of the better episodes from this season. It was clearly poking a little fun at Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace and Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back with an underwater city very similar to Naboo and a creature that was somewhat similar to the space slug. Hiidrala was a fun character and Lucy Lawless voicing her was perfect casting. Ron Pearlman is really great as Armaggon as well.

[neatoman]

This was one of the better episodes from this season. It was clearly poking a little fun at Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace and Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back with an underwater city very similar to Naboo and a creature that was somewhat similar to the space slug. Hiidrala was a fun character and Lucy Lawless voicing her was perfect casting. Ron Pearlman is really great as Armaggon as well.

I thought the Punk Frogs episode already made fun of Phantom Menace, Jar Jar Binks in particular.

[Jephael]

Loved the episode, especially Master Splinter's little holographic cameo. I got a little annoyed though when Raphael snapped "It's not the same!" They gotta stop making him so narrow-minded all the time.

[ToTheNines]

Loved this one. Beautiful visuals, wish I would have bought it in HD, would have been worth the extra dollar lol. Pacing and humor was on point too.

[kelligrafie]

To say they made so much fuss about Dregg at the panels and how he's this big space gangster, we've hardly seen him so far during this series and he's not that epic a villain.

I'm a bit disappointed with him really. I don't think he's half as menacing as he could be. I'm quite looking forward to having Shredder and the Kraang back.

[Ninturtle]

To say they made so much fuss about Dregg at the panels and how he's this big space gangster, we've hardly seen him so far during this series and he's not that epic a villain.

I'm a bit disappointed with him really. I don't think he's half as menacing as he could be. I'm quite looking forward to having Shredder and the Kraang back.

He has an episode about him coming up so maybe that's what the build up will be.

[kelligrafie]

He has an episode about him coming up so maybe that's what the build up will be.

I hope so. Because I was not looking forward to Dregg when he was announced for the series.

I hated 80's Dregg.

But I thought, I'd give the Nick version a chance. I thought they'd draw inspiration from The Borg and Alien and other sci-fi/horror villains.

And he's a bit pants really. :ohwell:

[matteso586]

Looks like the foreshadowing in Journey to the Center of Mikey's Mind came true. Lord Dregg has become interested in the black hole generator.

Also, did anyone else notice that the way Armaggon held Leo is a nod to the comics?

[ToTheNines]

Anyone notice the reference to the first NES game with the electrified seaweed?

[Ninjinister]

Anyone notice the reference to the first NES game with the electrified seaweed?

The people in this thread that have already discussed it did, I would wager.

[NinjaPug]

Loved the Ray Fillet and electric seaweed nods.

[neatoman]

So are the Daagon intended to be these things? They were never given a name before, so they very well could be.
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/a/a2/18.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20111104105355

I know there are some notable differences in design and obviously their backstory is way different from the one in the 4Kids show. But then again, this show is full of rather drastic redesigns and their origin is unknown in the comics.

[Powder]

I'd say so, yeah.

This was a fantastic episode. Love the many references.

[TigerClaw]

So are the Daagon intended to be these things? They were never given a name before, so they very well could be.
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/a/a2/18.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20111104105355

I know there are some notable differences in design and obviously they're backstory is way different from the one in the 4Kids show. But then again, this show is full of rather drastic redesigns and their origin is unknown in the comics.
I also like that Mikey were referring them as Merdudes
http://turtlepedia.wikia.com/wiki/Merdude_%28Archie%29

btw, hope the poll goes up soon.

[Vicky82]

I also like that Mikey were referring them as Merdudes
http://turtlepedia.wikia.com/wiki/Merdude_%28Archie%29

btw, hope the poll goes up soon.

Poll is up

By the way Leo's big speech is this, I couldn't fit it all in.

"We may be young but we fought huge battles, saved whole planets, and on top of everything else, we saw the destruction of our world"

[VaughnMichael]

I really enjoyed this episode and those references:lol:.

[MikeandRaph87]

I set it on my DVR, but it did not tape. When is it uploaded to Nick.com?

[CyberCubed]

It would have been funny if Mikey nicknamed the woman, "Shreeka" due to all the yelling she was doing. :lol: Also her voice was nearly identical to Tempestra/Shreeka from the OT.

Great use of Lord Dregg and Armaggon. I'd love to see them track the Turtles back to Earth after the space arc ends.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

From which science fiction book/comic/film or whatever does the idea of a "cosmic ocean" come? When reading about the episode I thought this would be a water planet (with much more water than Earth).

Here's NASA finding some kind of water reservoir in outer space in a quasar.

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/universe/features/universe20110722.html

I doubt it works the same. :) but maybe inspiration?

[Utrommaniac]

I like to think Hiidrala and Queen are friends. Obviously there is peace between them, but it would still be great if they were something like good friends.

We've had two episodes in a row where ladies are in charge. I like this.

And yeah, I was also thinking that Hiidrala could have been called Shreeka as well. Even if it was just a name shoutout. It would be better than with the Neutrinos, anyway.

[ToTheNines]

Eh, Shreeka was a villain. As superficial as most of the Nick "updates" of Fred Wolf and 4Kids characters can be, they normally don't change allegiances.

But yes, is would be less egregious than the Nick neutrinos.

[CyberCubed]

I guess Merdude, Man Ray and Wingnut won't be "real" characters in this show since they were just joke names/references to similar looking creatures. I guess their characters won't be showing up.

Kind of a shame, would have loved to see Wingnut/Screwloose in this space arc but its obviously not happening.

[OrangeNinja1987]

I thought it was an average episode. Nothing really stands out to be and I think I only laughed once, though the Splinter cameo does bring up it's score for me.
8/10

[yellowmario27]

Thought this episode was rather boring

[oldmanwinters]

Like the reference to TMNT on NES with the electric seaweed. :)

Haha, I thought the same thing immediately! No way that wasn't an intentional reference.

I'm actually more sympathetic with Raphael's point of view about too much Splinter-grams being potentially harmful.

BTW, "Merdudes" should have totally been on this thread's poll options.

[CyberCubed]

Thought this episode was rather boring

Really? This is probably up there for one of the best episodes of the show. It had a great pace, was action packed, good villains, a good story, good humor, and great animation.

Seems some people don't know what they want.

[Penst0ck]

Is anyone else pissed to find out Fugitoid has been basically lying about being able to destroy the BHG?

"Utrom, I have a plan to destroy the Black Hole Generator once and for all."
-The War for Dimension X

-after Leo asks Fugitoid if he can really destroy the BHG-

"That's the plan! I just need to….figure out how to do it…"
-The Cosmic Ocean

:sweatdro:

IDK. I think if I was tasked as a guardian of a deadly war machine piece, I'd need to see at least a convincing power point presentation on just what this 'plan' to destroy it is. Y'know, before I hand it over to a bunch of teenagers flying through space, as opposed to the protection of my home world.

I recognize that the team is pressed for time, but in their rush to get all the pieces they now make attaining them much easier for the Triceratons (or anyone else interested in them).

[Ninturtle]

Really? This is probably up there for one of the best episodes of the show. It had a great pace, was action packed, good villains, a good story, good humor, and great animation.

Seems some people don't know what they want.

Or maybe people have different taste when it comes to episodes, not many people want to watch an episode and think it's bad.

[victory_angel]

Is anyone else pissed to find out Fugitoid has been basically lying about being able to destroy the BHG?

"Utrom, I have a plan to destroy the Black Hole Generator once and for all."
-The War for Dimension X

-after Leo asks Fugitoid if he can really destroy the BHG-

"That's the plan! I just need to….figure out how to do it…"
-The Cosmic Ocean

:sweatdro:

IDK. I think if I was tasked as a guardian of a deadly war machine piece, I'd need to see at least a convincing power point presentation on just what this 'plan' to destroy it is. Y'know, before I hand it over to a bunch of teenagers flying through space, as opposed to the protection of my home world.

I recognize that the team is pressed for time, but in their rush to get all the pieces they now make attaining them much easier for the Triceratons (or anyone else interested in them).

We still don't know Honeycutt's connection to the Heart of Darkness. As far as we know he is the person who built the thing and he wants to destroy it.

I can also see Leo fly in the face of his morals out of shear determination to save the earth and Splinter. The conversation with the other turtles about Leo's need to visit Splinter in the Holodec sort of foreshadows this.

Basic consensus

Mikey's okay with Leo conversing with Splinter there. Because he knows Leo does need Splinters guidance.

Raph doesn't like it because even though it is a Splinter that is created from their memories. That is still a facsimile of Splinter.

Donnie is neutral. He knows Leo has a lot on his shoulders due to the fact they have only one chance of saving the Earth. But the same time he does have concerns about visiting a hologram of Splinter.

Even Splinter's comments to Leo sort of foreshadow an end result of all this whole arc.

[Ninjinister]

Haha, I thought the same thing immediately! No way that wasn't an intentional reference.

Considering that Fugitoid said he could make it in two minutes and twenty seconds... yeah that was 100% intentional.

[Penst0ck]

Ok I think I get where you'er coming from on this.

The over arcing lesson is:
Even if you don't have it all figured out, having shear determination to try anyway will pull you through.

Mikey, Raph and Don kinda show the different ways people could interpret this angle of the arc

Mikey/Leo - we just need to believe in this and we'll make it, like we always do!

Raph - This is stupid and crazy to risk our shells on this Disney fairy tale ending.

Donnie - I see the pros of this, but being put into practice I'm seeing some cons…

I think my main issue is that the Fugitoid has been teetering on the spectrum of This guy is totally badass and reliable to This rust bucket doesn't know half of what he's doing and oh look his scanners aren't working. The turtles are at the mercy of what ever side Honeycutt feels like being on each episode. It's just unsettling that everything is riding on him being able to destroy the BHG, and then we find out he doesn't even know where to start.

We still don't know Honeycutt's connection to the Heart of Darkness. As far as we know he is the person who built the thing and he wants to destroy it.

I can also see Leo fly in the face of his morals out of shear determination to save the earth and Splinter. The conversation with the other turtles about Leo's need to visit Splinter in the Holodec sort of foreshadows this.

Basic consensus

Mikey's okay with Leo conversing with Splinter there. Because he knows Leo does need Splinters guidance.

Raph doesn't like it because even though it is a Splinter that is created from their memories. That is still a facsimile of Splinter.

Donnie is neutral. He knows Leo has a lot on his shoulders due to the fact they have only one chance of saving the Earth. But the same time he does have concerns about visiting a hologram of Splinter.

Even Splinter's comments to Leo sort of foreshadow an end result of all this whole arc.

[victory_angel]

Ok I think I get where you'er coming from on this.

The over arcing lesson is:
Even if you don't have it all figured out, having shear determination to try anyway will pull you through.

Mikey, Raph and Don kinda show the different ways people could interpret this angle of the arc

Mikey/Leo - we just need to believe in this and we'll make it, like we always do!

Raph - This is stupid and crazy to risk our shells on this Disney fairy tale ending.

Donnie - I see the pros of this, but being put into practice I'm seeing some cons…

I think my main issue is that the Fugitoid has been teetering on the spectrum of This guy is totally badass and reliable to This rust bucket doesn't know half of what he's doing and oh look his scanners aren't working. The turtles are at the mercy of what ever side Honeycutt feels like being on each episode. It's just unsettling that everything is riding on him being able to destroy the BHG, and then we find out he doesn't even know where to start.

That's and the best case scenario of saving the earth and Splinter.

Leo is determined to achieve the best case scenario.

Splinter's words before the simulation ends were essentially: To save the Earth you must believe in hope, yourself, and each other. And no matter what happens I'm proud of you all.

Often during critical moments when a character says something such as: I love you, or I'm proud of you...They wind up deceased.

So basically: Hold on to the hope that the earth can be saved. Believe in your abilities, rely on your brothers abilities, and just focus on saving the Earth.

[cookie jar]

Thought this episode was rather boring

I thought it was an average episode. Nothing really stands out to be and I think I only laughed once, though the Splinter cameo does bring up it's score for me.
8/10

I agree with this.

[UnwiseOne]

First and foremost, it is nice to see a new tmnt episode again. I thought the animation was great, but I was kinda disappointed that this was a leo-centric episode. I meant no offense to Leo but from what I remembered there were already a lot of leo centric episodes in the past seasons and it would have been more interesting to see a group centered episode. Also really hating that the writers are making Leo have a chronic hero syndrome I don't know if I'm using the trope correctly but that's all I can think of at the moment. I mean I get it he's the leader he has a lot of burden to carry but it doesn't mean that he has to freaking carry it on his own that's what are his brothers and friends are for.

[THGhost]

Fun episode. Nice to see Armaggon again. Didn't realise Lucy Lawless was in this. Great performance from her as always.

I busted out laughing on "I'm giving 'er all she's got, Captain" :lol:

Nice to see them making use of Tennant's Scottish accent at last. :lol:

This was one of the better episodes from this season. It was clearly poking a little fun at Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace and Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back with an underwater city very similar to Naboo and a creature that was somewhat similar to the space slug.

Naboo? I think you mean Otoh Gunga.

[Utrommaniac]

Otoh Gunga is a city in Naboo.

[aliena]

I was bored with this episode, which is weird since I'm obsessed with sharks. I did like seeing Leo and Splinter. I guess I'm just getting tired of them in space. I'm ready for them to go home. I was at this stage when they were in the Hamptons forever. It was very beautiful to watch, they did a great job on that.

[Vicky82]

Yeah I'm starting to get bored with the Space arc now. I just want the turtles to be with Splinter again (that's if he survives) and see ICK, the Mutanimals. I want to see the turtles fight Shredder and his mutants again and also find out whats happening with Karai.

Oh well at least we got only 3/4 episodes left but it's a pain that we have to wait till March 27th for the next episode. :ohwell:

Also I hope to see some episodes back in New York before the series goes on hiatus for the movie.

[victory_angel]

They are going to premier the episode at Wonder Con. Perhaps they would also premier it on nick.com next week.

[Vicky82]

They are going to premier the episode at Wonder Con. Perhaps they would also premier it on nick.com next week.

The TMNT panel at Wondercon is on March 26th so I doubt it be up early on Nick.com.

It would be pointless to show the episode at Wondercon if it went up early.

[thundermaster612]

there were so many references, like the Star Wars one when they flew out of the monster cave and the Ray Filet one and the Star Trek one and the Merdude/dudes one and this and that and THERES TOO MANY TO LIST! :tgrin:
I really don't understand why people find this episode boring though, it was intriguing for me

[CyberCubed]

Why on earth would people be bored of the space arc when everything we're getting is all new, as opposed to the same old stuff in NYC? We've been in NY for 3 and a half seasons already, its just going to go to the same routine once we return.

The space arc has a lot more creativity because there's a lot more you can do traveling to different planets as seen in this episode with different creatures. This ep was fantastic.

Obviously we're eager to see Earth saved, but after that I have a feeling the rest of the NY eps will be the same old of mutant of the week or the occasional Shredder/Karai ep.

[thundermaster612]

I also realized that the queen kind of looks like that alien Leo tried flirting with at the beginning of the season

[victory_angel]

I also realized that the queen kind of looks like that alien Leo tried flirting with at the beginning of the season

You mean Valaxena

Why on earth would people be bored of the space arc when everything we're getting is all new, as opposed to the same old stuff in NYC? We've been in NY for 3 and a half seasons already, its just going to go to the same routine once we return.

The space arc has a lot more creativity because there's a lot more you can do traveling to different planets as seen in this episode with different creatures. This ep was fantastic.

Obviously we're eager to see Earth saved, but after that I have a feeling the rest of the NY eps will be the same old of mutant of the week or the occasional Shredder/Karai ep.


Not to mention the Turtles becoming known to the public of New York. And the Dark April Arc when that comes about.

[Vicky82]

Why on earth would people be bored of the space arc when everything we're getting is all new, as opposed to the same old stuff in NYC? We've been in NY for 3 and a half seasons already, its just going to go to the same routine once we return.

The space arc has a lot more creativity because there's a lot more you can do traveling to different planets as seen in this episode with different creatures. This ep was fantastic.

Obviously we're eager to see Earth saved, but after that I have a feeling the rest of the NY eps will be the same old of mutant of the week or the occasional Shredder/Karai ep.

I'm still enjoying it, I liked the change in scenery, the new stories and new friends and enemies but with the constant long breaks i'm just not enjoying it as much now and I just want the space arc to end and be back in New York to start the new stories.

[kelligrafie]

I'm still enjoying it, I liked the change in scenery, the new stories and new friends and enemies but with the constant long breaks i'm just not enjoying it as much now and I just want the space arc to end and be back in New York to start the new stories.

I'm the same.

I guess I now understand how people felt with the Northampton season.

It is weird though because I was brought up on science fiction and I've never really been a fan of horror, yet I've enjoyed the horror themed episodes a lot more than the space episodes.

I wonder if the next series will have a genre themed first half or will it follow more along the lines of season one and two and have a mix of everything throughout?

I also realized that the queen kind of looks like that alien Leo tried flirting with at the beginning of the season.

They're reusing a lot of the same models. The sea monsters are the same as the one guarding the technodrome and if you look at the mermen I'm pretty sure they've recycled the Salamandrian model and just added more spikes :D

[Vicky82]

I'm the same.

I guess I now understand how people felt with the Northampton season.



The Northampton arc was fine as it was only 8 episodes and we only had a 2 week break for Halloween and then the long Christmas break. Then straight after Northampton, we had 2 more episodes back in New York before the next small break.

The Space Arc just feels so long and overwhelming, i'm just getting tired of it now.

[evan2000]

They're reusing a lot of the same models. The sea monsters are the same as the one guarding the technodrome and if you look at the mermen I'm pretty sure they've recycled the Salamandrian model and just added more spikes :D

They are actually modelled after Merdude from the Archie comics:

http://miragelicensing.com/comics/archie/mutanimals/07/02.jpg

[ToTheNines]

I was at this stage when they were in the Hamptons forever.

http://www.songspub.com/content/songspub/news/Kourtney-Khloe_20141029133618_665x443.jpg

[NoName999]

Okay, now the "villain not really dead" cliche is just beyond silly now.

A giant, Cthulhu monster ate them for God's sake. And yet, they're not even digested or even impaled from all those teeth.

And the fact I saw it coming a light year away....

[CyberCubed]

Why would you expect them to be dead? They are new good villains.

[THGhost]

Otoh Gunga is a city in Naboo.

Not true. Naboo is the planet, not the city. You may be thinking of Theed, Naboo's capital city. Otoh Gunga is an entirely separate capital city, which belongs to the Gungans. In TPM, the Gungans are their own people and are not affiliated with Theed.

It can get confusing, what with most people who watch TPM fall asleep during most of its scenes. :P
Anyway, ranger_scout's point was that the nebula in this episode felt a lot like Otoh Gunga and they are right, forgiving the name confusion.

Okay, now the "villain not really dead" cliche is just beyond silly now.

While I agree, I don't think Nick really wants any of its characters being truly dead. With a few exceptions of course (Tang Shen).

[MikeandRaph87]

Was it just me or did anyone wonder why Michelangelo did not try this to the monster?
http://cdn1.theodysseyonline.com/files/2016/02/08/635905555964491170-1977566160_dad12.jpg

[THGhost]

Was it just me or did anyone wonder why Michelangelo did not try this to the monster?
http://cdn1.theodysseyonline.com/files/2016/02/08/635905555964491170-1977566160_dad12.jpg

That would have been... excellent. :D

Yeah I'm starting to get bored with the Space arc now. I just want the turtles to be with Splinter again (that's if he survives)

Of course he'll survive. He's Splinter.

They are actually modelled after Merdude from the Archie comics:

http://miragelicensing.com/comics/archie/mutanimals/07/02.jpg

And if memory serves, there was a Playmates toy of a Merdude.

[MikeandRaph87]

That would have been... excellent. :D



Of course he'll survive. He's Splinter.



And if memory serves, there was a Playmates toy of a Merdude.

True.
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/FnMAAOSw7NNUIvAU/s-l300.jpg

He was also in one episode of the 1987 cartoon.
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/5/51/Merdude5.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100622005940

This episode was average. Let us move past the DBZ stakes and into the 1987 crossover. I wonder how it could be a part of the space arc half season.

[THGhost]

True.
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/FnMAAOSw7NNUIvAU/s-l300.jpg

He was also in one episode of the 1987 cartoon.
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/5/51/Merdude5.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100622005940

So he was. It's difficult keeping track of all the one-time characters from the 87 cartoon. :teek:

[Powder]

His roots are in the Archie series, though. Had a couple different appearances there.

[IndigoErth]

Pretty decent episode; the writing, visuals, angles and editing job, and acting were all pretty great. :D Prob the only thing that annoyed me slightly was the usual April magic mind powers. That aside, rather well done.Felt like the story got somewhere and without feeling rushed. :tsmile:

[ToTheNines]

Pretty decent episode; the writing, visuals, angles and editing job, and acting were all pretty great. :D Prob the only thing that annoyed me slightly was the usual April magic mind powers. That aside, rather well done.Felt like the story got somewhere and without feeling rushed. :tsmile:

Same here about April. I was eye-rolling so hard. I guess we just have to accept it, but really I just want them to take a stance and define exactly what her powers are and what causes them.

Balls deep into season 4 it's just kind of ridiculous. I was shocked when season 1 didn't explain anything, then confused when season 2 didn't explain anything, and now it's just comical.

[Turtle-X]

i laughed at the electric seaweed.

[Shark_Blade]

The underwater palace reminds me of Gungan palace from Star Wars: The Phantom Menace. :tlove:

[picassotheninjaturtle]

Do not not speak of that wretched film in this forum. Maul was sick tho.

[Amaranthus]

That wasn't a Splinter cameo, lmao what?
That's not what a cameo is.

[Yoshimickster]

i laughed at the electric seaweed.
Also the time it took for them to avoid it was the same amount of time the level took! REFERENCES! HUZZAH!

[IndigoErth]

You know, it occurred to me this evening, how would that creepy queen-type character (don't recall her name) know they were just kids (or however she had alluded to that to the Turtles), how would she know what a young or old Earthling looks like, let alone rare mutant Turtle Earthlings? :trazz:

[THGhost]

The underwater palace reminds me of Gungan palace from Star Wars: The Phantom Menace. :tlove:

Do not not speak of that wretched film in this forum. Maul was sick tho.

Already discussed in disturbing detail on the previous page. :lol:

[kelligrafie]

They are actually modelled after Merdude from the Archie comics:

http://miragelicensing.com/comics/archie/mutanimals/07/02.jpg

You misunderstand me.

I know what the characters are based on, I mean it looks like (to me) they used the same basic CGI model as the Salamandrians and then adapted that model to make the mermen instead of creating a brand new model from scratch.

In the same way that instead of creating brand new designs for the Utrom, they recycled the Kraangbots, Ms Campbell and Irma/Kraang Prime and painted them in different colours to make 'completely' new characters.

[Yoshimickster]

You know, it occurred to me this evening, how would that creepy queen-type character (don't recall her name) know they were just kids (or however she had alluded to that to the Turtles), how would she know what a young or old Earthling looks like, let alone rare mutant Turtle Earthlings? :trazz:

I'm guessing either some sort of low to high level telapathy(probably low as she couldn't see their bravery beneath their shells) or she can probably tell based on skin and voice.

You misunderstand me.

I know what the characters are based on, I mean it looks like (to me) they used the same basic CGI model as the Salamandrians and then adapted that model to make the mermen instead of creating a brand new model from scratch.

In the same way that instead of creating brand new designs for the Utrom, they recycled the Kraangbots, Ms Campbell and Irma/Kraang Prime and painted them in different colours to make 'completely' new characters.
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh I don't know about that. Their models look a GOOD skudge different than the Salamandrean ones. Only thing I saw in common with them was the Captain Merdude had a robot eye like Salcomander. ALSO-who else hopes Captain Merdude gets a speaking role?

[Splinter the boss]

After such a long time, I am not disappointed at all. Nice episode, It was funny. I do not know if it was mentioned, but did anyone notice that Fugitoid did not bow to the supreme ruler? Arrogance perhaps?

[Casey]

Electric seaweed should have been on the poll.

[Vicky82]

Electric seaweed should have been on the poll.

Sorry, I forgot to add it.

[saintsaucey]

I must have missed this episode. I checked the guide but never saw it listed. Pisses me off that ill have to wait forever till it is on hulu plus.

Never mind the episode actually played on the nick site. I can never get those sites to work. Was this the first episode since the battle for dimension x

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Was this the first episode since the battle for dimension x

Yes!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_(2012_TV_series)_(sea son_4)

[TMNTInsighter]

I've been very hard on Mike Henry on other sites, mostly with regards to his last episode "The Fourfold Trap." That episode may not be all his fault, mainly because the "Saw" setup is quintessential Ciro and Brandon homage to one of their favorite genres but Mike himself committed some cardinal writing sins, the two chief among them being not living up to the established potential nor recognizing the episode's own theme among others. The latter itself is especially unforgivable!
This episode, he definitely makes up for it! Not only did he recognize what the episode was about, which was Leo's internal plight regarding everything that's happened and how much he pins it on himself but there was also the holodeck talk with Splinter, which raised some really good questions and insights about what reality is, the mind, etc. etc. Armaggon and Dregg stayed true to their over-the-top selves, Mikey and Raph had a great relationship going in this episode that didn't get in the way, nice touches of character reaction such as Leo's frustration throughout the episode such as when he slammed his fist to the wall, and the artwork was wonderful. There were some nits around the structure of the resolution but ultimately Mark stayed on point with regards to Leo and the central struggle while also adding nice touches such as the fact that yes, if it was that easy to destroy the BHG pieces they would be already. 8.3/10 for me!