Aquaman movie

[Krutch]

Figured I'd start this thread sooner than later, since production news should be rolling out in the near future.

Director James Wan said the tone is going to be more "fun" than the one established in BvS-DoJ.

I'm hoping we see some seriously cool **** with this movie. I have high hopes.

[sdp]

Is "fun" saying its going to be like all the Marvel movies? :ohwell:

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Meanwhile, back in Justice League HQ..... Aquaman enjoys a tuna sandwich.

[Candy Kappa]

Movie better be outrageous.

[TurtleTitan97]

If Aquaman doesn't say it at least once, I'll be highly disappointed.

[CyberCubed]

Well stick a fork in this one, the director is rumored to possibly be quitting:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/04/29/aquaman-rumor-james-wan-may-be-next-dc-director-to-exit

Something tells me this movie will get canned.

[Krutch]

Oh, jeez.. So soon after the Flash director bails out, too. Can we just pull the plug on this entire universe and start over already?

[Commenter 42]

My dream, is to roll up on a Pinkberry, and give Snyder a really hard time with my order, then get him fired.

Fingers crossed.

According to the site, they're now "at odds" with Zack Snyder over Justice League, and there has been, "Lots of fights between Snyder and the WB execs, and lots of pressure from Burbank on Snyder, who is shooting in London." Of course, seeing as that movie started shooting just weeks after the release of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, not many changes could be made at that stage, hence why there are now a lot of clashes as the studio looks to ensure they don't end up with another critical and commercial (to a lesser extent) disappointment.

http://i.imgur.com/FBKAZaY.gif

[sdp]

I don't mind some of these announced films being cancelled, DC just kind got really excited at announcing things a la Marvel but that shouldn't be what they should be doing. Let us enjoy JL and see what characters we want to have their own solo movie. I am a little saddened by losing Flash if we do though since he's my favorite DC hero. But yeah I don't want a Cyborg or Aquaman movie, at least not yet. They really need to refocus on what they do, and i liked BvS, I just don't want them to be exactly like Marvel because they can't they need to have their own approach.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Well, while I do want an Aquaman movie, I haven't been impressed with Khal Drogo as Arthur. I want it to look more like the New 52... where he doesn't have to look like some bearded savage to be badass--he simply IS badass.

[TurtleTitan97]

Well, while I do want an Aquaman movie, I haven't been impressed with Khal Drogo as Arthur. I want it to look more like the New 52... where he doesn't have to look like some bearded savage to be badass--he simply IS badass.

Meh. I prefer his look since it's pretty much based on Peter David's Aquaman, minus the blond hair. That's the only complaint I have considering how there's actually history behind the idea of it being considered as part of a curse in "The Atlantis Chronicles" by Peter David.

[Commenter 42]

Move Momoa to Lobo, Hire a new blonde ambition into Aquaman.

Better yet, reboot TMNT, and make him Casey Jones.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Meh. I prefer his look since it's pretty much based on Peter David's Aquaman, minus the blond hair. That's the only complaint I have considering how there's actually history behind the idea of it being considered as part of a curse in "The Atlantis Chronicles" by Peter David.

Hey, I like beards and broodiness. But it simply looks too Game of Thrones... like the guy is incapable of playing anyone else. Seriously, looking at that Aquaman, do you honestly expect him to wield a vocabulary of more than 50 words? :tlol:

[Autbot_Benz]

Black Manta has been found
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/aquaman-finds-black-manta-villain-get-down-actor-970629?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

He will be played by Yahya Abdul-Mateen II

[ToTheNines]

Never heard of him, which is good. He won't mind having the mask on for the majority of the movie.

[NinjaPug]

Nicole Kidman in talks to play Atlanna

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/nicole-kidman-talks-join-aquaman-970652

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Black Manta has been found
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/aquaman-finds-black-manta-villain-get-down-actor-970629?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

He will be played by Yahya Abdul-Mateen II

Nicole Kidman in talks to play Atlanna

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/nicole-kidman-talks-join-aquaman-970652

Never heard of him, but I've heard of her. Still looking forward to Aquaman!

[Raph's Girl]

He will be played by Yahya Abdul-Mateen II

Yahya will soon be seen in the "Baywatch" movie as a cop who gets annoyed alot by Dwayne "Black Adam" Johnson... :lol:

[Raph's Girl]

Temuera Morrison (Jango Fett in Star Wars and Abin Sur in Green Lantern) is now Thomas Curry in "Aquaman"! :D

http://www.avclub.com/article/temuera-morrison-k-jango-fett-play-aquamans-dad-249697

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

http://batman-news.com/2017/03/01/aquaman-justice-league-under-water-snyder/

A sneak peek of footage!

Looks AMAZING. :tcool:

[ProphetofGanja]

http://batman-news.com/2017/03/01/aquaman-justice-league-under-water-snyder/

A sneak peek of footage!

Looks AMAZING. :tcool:

Damn, that does look cool. This one and Wonder Woman are the two DC movies that I most hope aren't bombs like the others

[Krutch]

Very cool.

Though I've always been most interested in how they pull off talking underwater.

[TigerClaw]

The movie has been pushed back til Christmas 2018
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/aquaman/aquaman-release-date-pushed-back-to-christmas-2018-a149671

[Autbot_Benz]

Dolph Lundgren is in the movie playing King Nereus

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/aquaman/aquaman-adds-80s-action-movie-icon-dolph-lundgren-as-the-villainous-king-nereus-a150336

[NinjaPug]

Mera. Spoilered for size.

http://screenrant3.imgix.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Amber-Heard-as-Mera-from-Aquaman.jpg?auto=format&cs=tinysrgb&q=20&w=945&h=1197&fit=crop&dpr=1.5

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Mera. Spoilered for size.

http://screenrant3.imgix.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Amber-Heard-as-Mera-from-Aquaman.jpg?auto=format&cs=tinysrgb&q=20&w=945&h=1197&fit=crop&dpr=1.5

She looks amazing.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

She looks so colorful! I guess Snyder forgot to put the fart dust filter over this one.

[Cure]

Haha, fart dust.

[TigerClaw]

Mera. Spoilered for size.

http://screenrant3.imgix.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Amber-Heard-as-Mera-from-Aquaman.jpg?auto=format&cs=tinysrgb&q=20&w=945&h=1197&fit=crop&dpr=1.5
Amber Heard shared another picture.
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/aquaman/aquaman-actress-amber-heard-shares-another-new-look-at-mera-and-reflects-on-the-first-day-of-filming-a151232

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAJWk-XUQAEuFZ_.jpg:small

[DestronMirage22]

Wow, she looks beautiful. Certainly fits the part.

[Splinter the boss]

She looks quite spectacular.

[Candy Kappa]

Mera looks amazing, so stoked!

[Andrew NDB]

No "let's talk" air bubbles in "Aquaman."

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/aquaman/aquaman-director-james-wan-promises-there-will-be-no-air-bubbles-in-his-upcoming-underwater-adventure-a155603

[Krutch]

Thank Christ. That was one of the biggest groans in JL for me.

[DestronMirage22]

No "let's talk" air bubbles in "Aquaman."

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/aquaman/aquaman-director-james-wan-promises-there-will-be-no-air-bubbles-in-his-upcoming-underwater-adventure-a155603

So, does this mean they’re just gonna change it and never reference the change at all?
Well, even if they did, it wouldn’t be the first continuity/plot mistake they’ve made.

[PApagreg]

I just hope he outrageous
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41uve4hAM0L.jpg

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Justice League left me wanting to see a lot more Aquaman. And a lot more Mera.

Bring it on!

[Andrew NDB]

Justice League left me wanting to see a lot more Aquaman. And a lot more Mera.

Mostly it left me being more or less OK with the "Take" on Aquaman if not any kind of understanding of who he is in this universe or what he's about... and mostly feeling bad for Amber Heard and Mera.

Was anybody else bothered with how Aquaman swims in JL? He just sort of lays in the water and... "flies" through it mentally (like Superman does through air), without even moving his arms or legs. What's that all about? I've always assumed he just kicks his legs really, really fast and moves them like a dolphin or something.

[Krutch]

Mostly it left me being more or less OK with the "Take" on Aquaman if not any kind of understanding of who he is in this universe or what he's about... and mostly feeling bad for Amber Heard and Mera.

Was anybody else bothered with how Aquaman swims in JL? He just sort of lays in the water and... "flies" through it mentally (like Superman does through air), without even moving his arms or legs. What's that all about? I've always assumed he just kicks his legs really, really fast and moves them like a dolphin or something.

My thoughts exactly. It looked so stiff and awkward... Like an action figure swimming in some kids bathtub.

[Splinter the boss]

I had nothing against it.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Yeah, I thought it was kind of odd, too. much like his reason for even being there, aside from having possession of one of the boxes.

[Krutch]

Early test screenings have been very good for Aquaman. (https://heroichollywood.com/aquaman-positive-early-test-screening/)

[ProphetofGanja]

C o o l

[drgon78]

That is good to hear.

[Coola Yagami]

Weren't the early screenings also considered good for Justice League?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Weren't the early screenings also considered good for Justice League?

And BvS. And Wonder Woman. And Suicide Squad. And Iron Man 3. and Thor 2. And Black Panther. And Civil War. And pretty much everything.

Means a big heap of nothing.

[Krutch]

Weren't the early screenings also considered good for Justice League?

I don't believe so... I'm pretty sure that's the reason they brought in Whedon in the first place, no? Then more positive advanced screenings were the ones right before the theatrical release saying "It's not that bad!"

[CyberCubed]

Aquaman should be the "Black Panther" of DC movies.

Take an unknown superhero to the general public and make him mainstream. Granted the Brave and the Bold cartoon will always have the best Aquaman. Outrageous!

[Cure]

You're retarded if you think people don't know Aquaman. Even as joke fodder, people know him.

[CyberCubed]

General population? Most don't know anyone outside Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman. People you see spouting Aquaman memes online are not general people.

[Cure]

Sure, pal, if you say so.

[CyberCubed]

You seriously believe your average person knows who Aquaman is? Most don't even know who Green Lantern or Flash is, let alone Aquaman.

The most well known DC superheroes to casuals or people who don't care about comics have always been Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and Robin. And for Robin it's just Dick Grayson, they don't know any of the others.

[PApagreg]

You seriously believe your average person knows who Aquaman is? Most don't even know who Green Lantern or Flash is, let alone Aquaman.

The most well known DC superheroes to casuals or people who don't care about comics have always been Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and Robin. And for Robin it's just Dick Grayson, they don't know any of the others.

Why would't the average person know who Aquaman is, there are tons of media that reference him(most of the time its ******** on him but still). Also Flash has his own televesion series so I would think the average person would at least have heard of him.

[ProphetofGanja]

Aquaman is definitely well-known enough by the general public for them to crack a joke about him being "the guy who talks to fish".

No one is arguing that he's more well-known than Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Iron Man or Spider-Man

[CyberCubed]

Why would't the average person know who Aquaman is, there are tons of media that reference him(most of the time its ******** on him but still). Also Flash has his own televesion series so I would think the average person would at least have heard of him.

You're talking about people online who are at least familiar with cartoons, comics, TV shows, etc.

For example Marvel made Iron Man mainstream that even a random 40 year old woman these days probably knows who he is. You couldn't say that a decade ago. That's what mainstream means, that your average person who doesn't know much about comics/cartoons, etc. can at least know who they are.

None of my older relatives know much about superheroes, they basically just know Superman/Batman, Wonder Woman and that's about it.

[PApagreg]

You're talking about people online who are at least familiar with cartoons, comics, TV shows, etc.

For example Marvel made Iron Man mainstream that even a random 40 year old woman these days probably knows who he is. You couldn't say that a decade ago. That's what mainstream means, that your average person who doesn't know much about comics/cartoons, etc. can at least know who they are.

None of my older relatives know much about superheroes, they basically just know Superman/Batman, Wonder Woman and that's about it.
Dude lots of people watch TV shows and there is a good chance that the 40 year old woman has at least heard of Aquaman from the Superfriends cartoon or something.

[MikeandRaph87]

General population? Most don't know anyone outside Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman. People you see spouting Aquaman memes online are not general people.

He is known thanks to Super Friends. Yes, it has been off the air since 1986 and yes out of rotation on normal networks the last ten years, but he is known thanks to that. The Big Bang Theory makes jokes based on his telepathic communication with sea life power. Aquaman may get the short end, but he is known. I argue he is the #4 character and a part of the secondary trinity along with Flash and Green Lantern. What makes him arguably more important than Flash and Green Lantern is not having multiple Aquaman characters for a period of time(yes, I know about A.J. Curry that was around for two years) and being a constant presence despite not getting the best of treatment. He does have royal authority over more area than anyone on the planet! He is short ended by being a water based character when most action takes place on either land or space. There is the limitation on how to use him for that and causes him to go into a circle on him being king then losing the throne and gaining it back, rinse and repeat(pun unintended). Aquaman should get a stint as the chairman of the JLA. He is the natural leader among them. Forget about the bait and switch in the short-lived Detroit give the King of Atlantis his chance!

[Sumac]

You're talking about people online who are at least familiar with cartoons, comics, TV shows, etc.

For example Marvel made Iron Man mainstream that even a random 40 year old woman these days probably knows who he is. You couldn't say that a decade ago. That's what mainstream means, that your average person who doesn't know much about comics/cartoons, etc. can at least know who they are.

None of my older relatives know much about superheroes, they basically just know Superman/Batman, Wonder Woman and that's about it.
'cubed, I understand that you live in your own universe, but, c'mon, crawl out of your shell at least sometimes!!

[CyberCubed]

Why do you guys assume every average person knows everything about superheroes, comics, etc? Or watches the TV shows, etc? You guys do realize many millions of people do not watch all these movies or shows that come out?

Up until the early 2000's I never even knew who Green Arrow was. My first exposure to him was the JLU cartoon, and before that I never heard of him. But not everyone watches cartoons, TV shows, etc.

[PApagreg]

Why do you guys assume every average person knows everything about superheroes, comics, etc? Or watches the TV shows, etc? You guys do realize many millions of people do not watch all these movies or shows that come out?

Up until the early 2000's I never even knew who Green Arrow was. My first exposure to him was the JLU cartoon, and before that I never heard of him. But not everyone watches cartoons, TV shows, etc.

We aren't talking about the Runaways or Animal man or Plastic man or any C or D list heroes, we're talking about a character who has been hanging out with A listers for decades. Is he popular in the same vein as the trinity no but he is far from an unknown character.

God this is the whole "Shredder fights like Deathstroke" argument all over again

[Krutch]

Recognizable by look and name only, sure.

But if we're talking about origin and what Aquaman's personality and character are like, then no, the general public has no clue.

[PApagreg]

Recognizable by look and name only, sure. .
Most people here are talking about when saying Aquaman is well known

[Redeemer]

You're retarded if you think people don't know Aquaman. Even as joke fodder, people know him.

Lets reframe from the name calling......

General population? Most don't know anyone outside Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman. People you see spouting Aquaman memes online are not general people.

I agree with CyberCubed on this one. Most people do not know who Aqua-man is. They probably recognize the name, but place him with a bunch of other random super heroes and most people probably couldn't point him out imo.
He is probably similar to Ant-man or Ironman before they had main stream success.

[Sumac]

Why do you guys assume every average person knows everything about superheroes, comics, etc? Or watches the TV shows, etc? You guys do realize many millions of people do not watch all these movies or shows that come out?
You do realize that those millions of people might be aware of Aquaman the way how many people are aware about Superman or Batman: through the second hand experience with some, word of mouth, some old comic books and TV shows, which they have watched when they were kids?

Up until the early 2000's I never even knew who Green Arrow was. My first exposure to him was the JLU cartoon, and before that I never heard of him. But not everyone watches cartoons, TV shows, etc.
Why apply personal anecdote to the rest of the people?

I haven't watched anything related to Batman up until 1996, but I was aware of his existence years before, due to the word of mouth, some fragments of old shows and movies.

[CyberCubed]

Batman/Superman are cultural phenomenons. Even people who don't read comics, don't watch cartoons or movies, at least know who they are. It's the same thing as Mickey Mouse or Bugs Bunny.

Aquaman is nowhere as recognizable. As I said, Wonder Woman and Robin (Dick Grayson) are the two next most recognizable DC characters after Batman/Superman.

[PApagreg]

Batman/Superman are cultural phenomenons. Even people who don't read comics, don't watch cartoons or movies, at least know who they are. It's the same thing as Mickey Mouse or Bugs Bunny.

Aquaman is nowhere as recognizable. As I said, Wonder Woman and Robin (Dick Grayson) are the two next most recognizable DC characters after Batman/Superman.

Okay literally no one here said Aquaman is as recognizable as Batman/Superman but he is far from being known as an "Unknown Hero"

[CyberCubed]

I still don't believe your average Joe Blow on the street would know who Aquaman is. Or a 45 year old soccer mom named Aunt Judith.

Mainstream is someone mentioning Mickey Mouse and everyone in the world instantly knowing who that is. Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Robin, Spiderman and maybe the X-men (the latter is probably pushing it though, I should just say Wolverine), are the most well known superheroes.

Joe Blow, Aunt Judith, and Little Timmy may have heard the name, but they barely know who it is.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I still don't believe your average Joe Blow on the street would know who Aquaman is. Or a 45 year old soccer mom named Aunt Judith.

If she's a MOM then she's not called AUNT JUDITH.

Geez, man.

[Sumac]

I still don't believe your average Joe Blow on the street would know who Aquaman is. Or a 45 year old soccer mom named Aunt Judith.

Mainstream is someone mentioning Mickey Mouse and everyone in the world instantly knowing who that is. Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Robin, Spiderman and maybe the X-men (the latter is probably pushing it though, I should just say Wolverine), are the most well known superheroes.

Joe Blow, Aunt Judith, and Little Timmy may have heard the name, but they barely know who it is.
You are wrong. People do know about Aquaman, probably in passing, but they do.
You won't convince anyone otherwise.
The end.

[CyberCubed]

They may be familiar with the name, but that's not the same as knowing who it is. Bring up "King of Atlantis" and they're probably more familiar with Ariel's father "King Triton" from The Little Mermaid.

If she's a MOM then she's not called AUNT JUDITH.

Geez, man.

You can be a mom AND an Aunt. :lol:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

They may be familiar with the name, but that's not the same as knowing who it is. Bring up "King of Atlantis" and they're probably more familiar with Ariel's father "King Triton" from The Little Mermaid.

You can be a mom AND an Aunt. :lol:

Okay. As long as you knew that and weren't making a really weird mental mistake. Because it read like that. :tlol:

[PApagreg]

They may be familiar with the name, but that's not the same as knowing who it is. Bring up "King of Atlantis" and they're probably more familiar with Ariel's father "King Triton" from The Little Mermaid.


If they are familiar with the name then he isn't an "Unknown Hero"

[Coola Yagami]

Pretty sure anyone who watched Super Friends as a kid knows who Aquaman is.

[Andrew NDB]

Pretty sure anyone who watched Super Friends as a kid knows who Aquaman is.

So that coveted 70 year old demographic.

But seriously, in 2018 we can't be like nobody knows who he is. People know who he is. Even if BvS wasn't critically popular it made a ton of money... which means people saw him in that lame scene. And Justice League... almost the same story.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/aquaman/aquaman-arthur-curry-mera-and-queen-atlanna-rise-from-the-depths-on-these-entertainment-weekly-covers-a161388

Entertainment magazine covers...

The trailer can't be far behind!

[TurtleTitan97]

First look at the Black Manta mask: http://ew.com/movies/2018/06/14/aquaman-black-manta/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=entertainmentweekly

[Andrew NDB]

http://www.darkhorizons.com/first-photos-james-wans-aquaman/

"The water world my movie takes place in is so separate and so far apart from previous DC movies it’s like I’m making my own sci-fi fantasy film."

Translation: "Please, please, please forget about 'Justice League.'"

https://i.imgur.com/qCbR9GF.gif

[Krutch]

http://i66.tinypic.com/1z23kpf.png
Aquaman's Council of the Kings Revealed

[MikeandRaph87]

https://batman-news.com/2018/06/17/heres-why-aquaman-villain-ocean-master-has-a-problem-with-aquaman/

Orm's goal and minor plot spoiler.

[NinjaPug]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiPQxl3VAAAZKjs?format=jpg

[Andrew NDB]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiPQxl3VAAAZKjs?format=jpg

Is that a real poster? I'm seeing it on FB but not from any real source.

He looks weird sitting underwater in denim.

[NinjaPug]

It's real. I pulled it from the movie's official twitter page. I'm guessing they released it today to be in conjunction with the set visit articles that went up today.

[TurtleTitan97]

https://i.redd.it/csgckn3y8ja11.jpg

[Autbot_Benz]

WDkg3h8PCVU

[AT-Man]

It looks like cartoony fun.

[ZariusTwo]

Bright and loud, hope it delivers. Looks promising.

[TurtleTitan97]

Alright, that was actually a pretty decent trailer.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Aw yeah. This'll take the bad taste of Justice League outta everybody's mouths!

[drgon78]

Looks good but hopefully Black Manta will get enough screen time.

[sdp]

That teaser was surprisingly interesting.

[Krutch]

Little late to the party but i'll throw my two cents in here...

Loved the trailer. Loved the colour palatte, the swashbuckling adventure tone, the lovely art direction of Atlantis... Had a couple cringy lines of dialogue but I found that actually added to the throwback blockbuster feeling of the piece.

Very excited for this one. Aquaman, more than DC, needs a win in pop culture. He's been the butt of jokes for too long.

Hail to the King, baby.
(Sorry, Ash)

[ZariusTwo]

WaWnLiffxJ4

[Andrew NDB]

Man, that looks really expensive. That's unfortunate.

I admit, Black Manta does look alright.

[Leo656]

So I guess this is the first official film of the "We're gonna just Xerox copy Marvel from now on" era.

We get it, WB. Your stuff has jokes now and nothing's worth taking seriously. "Billions will die"... but still time for piss jokes. :roll:

Whatever. Looks alright and I'll be seeing it, but this stuff and the Shazam stuff is WAY too try-hard.

[Andrew NDB]

It just looks so, soooo busy. I'm sure the inclination will be to chop it down to a brisk 90 minutes but I'm not thinking this story is going to lend itself to that.

I don't know what I'm more curious about: what WB will do if this is a failure, or what WB will do if it's a success.

[Leo656]

Just that clip was 5; if they chop it to 90 it'll be a total mess.

Not that it's ever stopped them before.

[drgon78]

Nice new trailer but I was already sold on seeing this movie with the last trailer.

[Autbot_Benz]

So I guess this is the first official film of the "We're gonna just Xerox copy Marvel from now on" era.

We get it, WB. Your stuff has jokes now and nothing's worth taking seriously. "Billions will die"... but still time for piss jokes. :roll:

Whatever. Looks alright and I'll be seeing it, but this stuff and the Shazam stuff is WAY too try-hard.

ITS DCEU's Version of Thor. Muscular Dufus Dudebro find magical Trident to be come king of his people saves them from being destroyed yada yada yada.

After how badly they ****ed up Justice League I am done giving DC my Theater money

[Leo656]

I didn't think the final cut came together very well, and I definitely could've used about 80% less Joss Whedon (or, in a perfect world, 100% less), but it's still a little bit better every time I see it.

I'll never be happy about the bait-and-switch but them's the breaks.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Huh. I tend to agree with Leo... parts of that trailer felt way too Marvel.

But I think I'm finally come around to "Dudebro" Aquaman. I would've preferred a more serious take, just like I would've preferred a more serious take on Thor, but it's what we get, I guess.

Date night movie for sure. Looking forward to it.

[Leo656]

I'm normally a pretty firm purist, as you well know, but Aquaman in general is pretty worthless, so my take from the beginning is, if any character gives you a blank slate to make them more dynamic and likable, it's Aquaman. So I've been onboard with Mamoa since the beginning. He's clearly having a blast.

If they wanted to "keep it real" and stick to the books, they'd have to have cast Evans and he's been a little busy with The Other Guys, y'know? :lol:

[Krutch]

Nice new trailer but I was already sold on seeing this movie with the last trailer.Yup! Exactly why I didn't watch this new one. I'm already sold.

[sdp]

Wow, that 5 minute video really won me over, but still it's kinda hard to get excited for Aquaman when WB has no idea what they're doing with the DCEU and they change their plans every 3 months.

[TigerClaw]

Mark Millar Says ‘Aquaman’ Trailer Makes Modern Marvel Look Like ‘70s TV Marvel
https://comicbook.com/dc/2018/10/05/aquaman-trailer-DC-70s-marvel-mark-millar/

[Andrew NDB]

I know there's plenty of recent examples of movies coming out soon at various points that do show us whole scenes, or even "the first 5 minutes" or whatnot... but I'm not sure, can anyone think of any movies that have done that and ended up being good? Or successful?

[ZariusTwo]

Kind of just shows how increasingly irrelevant the need for cinema really is.

Hell, even movies that they know are gonna bomb are streamed on TV the same time they're released theatrically (films like Batistia's Final Score)

[Leo656]

People have been saying this kinda thing for over a decade. People said it once everyone had a VCR, for one thing. And yet, people still like to go out once in a while. They whine about the prices of tickets and popcorn and "I can just do all of this at home!", but human beings are hardwired to be social creatures. They may become more selective about which movies they go out to see vs. stay in to see, but the concept of "going to watch a movie in a theater" isn't going away anytime soon. Probably ever.

Just an observation? The people I most often see "rooting" for stuff like movie theaters to become "irrelevant", are typically ones who don't get on much with people in general and I assume don't go out as often anyway. Most people are well aware that they can watch the same thing at home, they just like the "experience".

If anything's making movies and the theater experience less relevant, it's the fact that video games are generally a better and more consistently satisfying form of entertainment. :) But that's another topic.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, theaters aren't going away in our lifetime. It's too ingrained in our social culture.

[Leo656]

I just think it's funny how long it's taking for it to happen despite people predicting it, even declaring it a certainty, decades ago.

You and I are close in age, so I'm sure you, like me, remember a time when a VCR was a "rich person's toy"; most families didn't have one, but they might rent one for Movie Night. Once they were under $100, though, even Grandma had one. That's when it first started; "Nobody's ever going to the movies again; why would they?"

Nothing changed; then came DVDs, and the improved picture and sound (specifically MADE for Home Theater Viewing!), and all the Bonus Feature and Behind The Scenes stuff that I still can't help but get hard over because I love that sh*t. Again, "Why would anyone go out?" But they did.

Then it was cheap, big-screen HDTVs. Again, a novelty for the upper-crust at first, but now even Grandma has one. Then Blu-ray, and however-many-times better it is than DVD. Then 4K. And let's not forget how every few years, people try to get us to care about 3D home theater headsets and sh*t, even though nobody does. :lol:

And yet, it really looks like more people are going to see films than they have in a while; they're just all mostly going to see the same few movies, over and over. But if ticket sales on average are anything to go by, then the theater experience is safe for a good while yet.

People love to go out in small groups, pay too much for junk, watch something they only half-enjoyed, then blow off steam at stupid Denny's. Even if all they're gonna do is bitch about all of it; in fact, I sometimes suspect that the bitching is the ultimate point of the excursion. :lol: But whatever, they still went out.

I personally love going to the theater; I just rarely do because my tastes run counter to most peoples' so there's fewer films I'd prefer to see "fresh" instead of waiting. I will most likely be seeing Aquaman in theaters, though.

[ProphetofGanja]

Fishman movie look good

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm normally a pretty firm purist, as you well know, but Aquaman in general is pretty worthless, so my take from the beginning is, if any character gives you a blank slate to make them more dynamic and likable, it's Aquaman. So I've been onboard with Mamoa since the beginning. He's clearly having a blast.

If they wanted to "keep it real" and stick to the books, they'd have to have cast Evans and he's been a little busy with The Other Guys, y'know? :lol:

Man, Chris Evans would've been perfect casting.

Or Joel Kinnaman. But I guess he's too busy playing Rick Flag.

[Andrew NDB]

I just think it's funny how long it's taking for it to happen despite people predicting it, even declaring it a certainty, decades ago.

You and I are close in age, so I'm sure you, like me, remember a time when a VCR was a "rich person's toy"; most families didn't have one, but they might rent one for Movie Night. Once they were under $100, though, even Grandma had one. That's when it first started; "Nobody's ever going to the movies again; why would they?"

Nothing changed; then came DVDs, and the improved picture and sound (specifically MADE for Home Theater Viewing!), and all the Bonus Feature and Behind The Scenes stuff that I still can't help but get hard over because I love that sh*t. Again, "Why would anyone go out?" But they did.

Then it was cheap, big-screen HDTVs. Again, a novelty for the upper-crust at first, but now even Grandma has one. Then Blu-ray, and however-many-times better it is than DVD. Then 4K. And let's not forget how every few years, people try to get us to care about 3D home theater headsets and sh*t, even though nobody does. :lol:

And yet, it really looks like more people are going to see films than they have in a while; they're just all mostly going to see the same few movies, over and over. But if ticket sales on average are anything to go by, then the theater experience is safe for a good while yet.

People love to go out in small groups, pay too much for junk, watch something they only half-enjoyed, then blow off steam at stupid Denny's. Even if all they're gonna do is bitch about all of it; in fact, I sometimes suspect that the bitching is the ultimate point of the excursion. :lol: But whatever, they still went out.

I personally love going to the theater; I just rarely do because my tastes run counter to most peoples' so there's fewer films I'd prefer to see "fresh" instead of waiting. I will most likely be seeing Aquaman in theaters, though.

Prices go up. The quality of theaters improves (most of the theaters out this way now have leather reclining seats)... but there is 0 danger of them going away.

They can say the sky is falling all they want.

Or Joel Kinnaman. But I guess he's too busy playing Rick Flag.

Yeah, no kidding. Between all that Rick Flag stuff and Robocop remake sequels, it's a small miracle he's got time to be in anything else at all.

[Andrew NDB]

Momoa is pitching Aquaman 2:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/jason-momoa-offering-aquaman-2-ideas/

Because that's going to happen...

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Momoa is pitching Aquaman 2:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/jason-momoa-offering-aquaman-2-ideas/

Because that's going to happen...

Well, it's at least more likely than Man of Steel 2 or Green Lantern Corps. Or maybe even The Flash. :tlol: :tsad:

[Andrew NDB]

What do you guys think? Will Aquaman so much as mention Batman or Superman or anybody from Justice League?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

What do you guys think? Will Aquaman so much as mention Batman or Superman or anybody from Justice League?

Yeah. There'll be at least one reference to the events "of last year" or "last month", but it'll be vague.

[ranger_scout]

Entertainment Weekly announced that the legendary and lovely miss Julie Andrews has a secret role in the film. This I've got to see. I find it funny how she will be in a movie that will compete against Mary Poppins Returns, which is the sequel to the film that made a household name.

https://ew.com/movies/2018/11/23/julie-andrews-aquaman/

[TigerClaw]

Entertainment Weekly announced that the legendary and lovely miss Julie Andrews has a secret role in the film. This I've got to see. I find it funny how she will be in a movie that will compete against Mary Poppins Returns, which is the sequel to the film that made a household name.

https://ew.com/movies/2018/11/23/julie-andrews-aquaman/
Maybe she plays Aquaman's Grandma?

[ranger_scout]

More information about her part has been revealed.


She will voice Karathen in Aquaman, a character described as a sea creature who can help assist Aquaman’s quest to broker a peace between Atlantis and the surface world.

“We wanted the Karathen to have the voice of a classic British actress, albeit somewhat digitally altered,” Safran told EW in a story published Friday. “And when we found out Julie was interested and available and excited to do it, casting her was a no-brainer.”

https://deadline.com/2018/11/aquaman-julie-andrews-role-1202508272/

[Andrew NDB]

Is it time for "the movie's almost out, let's build up hype by pretending the sequel is already greenlit!"?

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/aquaman/warner-bros-has-reportedly-already-begun-discussing-an-aquaman-sequel-a165155

Yep.

[RaphaelinSTL]

Gross.

I still think this movie looks like hot garbage.

[Andrew NDB]

Looks like it's headed for the biggest opening of a WB movie ever in China?

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/aquaman/aquaman-roars-to-the-biggest-opening-ever-for-warner-bros-in-china-with-an-impressive-936-million-debut-a165207

[Autbot_Benz]

First Negative Review I have seen from Collider's John Rocha.


John Steven Rocha
‏ @TheRochaSays
16m16 minutes ago

#Aquaman is maybe my most disappointing moviegoing experience of 2018. Wanted to love it so bad! It’s paint by numbers superhero movie making. Checked all the necessary boxes BUT with no soul. This isn’t on the actors. This is a script, pacing and direction issue. Dammit...

[Coola Yagami]

First Negative Review I have seen from Collider's John Rocha.


John Steven Rocha
‏ @TheRochaSays
16m16 minutes ago

#Aquaman is maybe my most disappointing moviegoing experience of 2018. Wanted to love it so bad! It’s paint by numbers superhero movie making. Checked all the necessary boxes BUT with no soul. This isn’t on the actors. This is a script, pacing and direction issue. Dammit...

Typical DC. Don't forget all the unnecessary darkness too.

[Leo656]

I see nothing at all "dark" about this. If anything it's oversaturated to the point of being blinding, and crammed with jokes to the point of being pandering.

Looks like a Marvel movie. Which is what everyone said they wanted. Oh well.

[Andrew NDB]

There is definitely ways to make a DC movie that doesn't follow the Marvel movie tropes. But it's all at the script level. BvS failed (I mean, it didn't fail but it critically bombed all the way around, and for good reason, many reasons) and JL failed... good scripts and better casting would have saved both.

I'm talking to you, FAKE Luthor and FAKE Flash. And unnecessary Cyborg.

Seeing Aquaman early this coming weekend. I'll tell it straight. It's the Amazon Prime early thing, like Jumanji 2 was last year. Which I liked. This gives me some good feelings. Like, with Jumanji, they knew they had some kind of feel good something... so they went that route. Maybe WB knows from early whatever that they do, too, and want early press about it. We'll see.

[Leo656]

There is definitely ways to make a DC movie that doesn't follow the Marvel movie tropes.

Absolutely not. Not allowed. The majority of the best-reviewed Marvel movies literally say, in some fashion, "This is the template for what Every Single Super-Hero Movie should be."

I'm not the first, nor smartest person to point out that the marketplace for this specific genre of movie demands there be a single formula, and that ALL films follow it. Everyone from "professional" critics to "mere" fans has said, at some point, "It HAS to be done THIS way or it's crap."

What I find hilarious, though, is that even when they trip over themselves to follow that formula to the letter, DC/WB still can't catch a break. Which proves the ultimate theory of, whichever brand hit the market first was eternally going to be "the loser" in the public eye. I didn't come up with that one, either; somebody from Forbes or some other financial analyst page went ahead and predicted it almost a decade ago. It just happens to be true.

Unless your name is Oreo, no brand has ever come out second and overtaken their predecessor in the same marketplace. It's incredibly rare, at any rate. People are inherently biased against things they consider a "cheap imitation" and will never truly view them with an open mind. "If they were any good, they would have been out first, right?" Before, people made fun of DC movies for trying to be different than Marvel, now we snicker at them for "copying" them out of desperation. But the truth is, they weren't gonna win anybody over because they got in the game too late. But you can't just stay home, so... it is what it is.

Hey, by the way, if you wanna avoid becoming a jaded cynic, folks, simply avoid taking any Entertainment Marketing classes. :trazz: I mean, it helps things make a lot of sense, but it's also kind of depressing, sometimes.

[TigerClaw]

Absolutely not. Not allowed. The majority of the best-reviewed Marvel movies literally say, in some fashion, "This is the template for what Every Single Super-Hero Movie should be."

I'm not the first, nor smartest person to point out that the marketplace for this specific genre of movie demands there be a single formula, and that ALL films follow it. Everyone from "professional" critics to "mere" fans has said, at some point, "It HAS to be done THIS way or it's crap."

What I find hilarious, though, is that even when they trip over themselves to follow that formula to the letter, DC/WB still can't catch a break. Which proves the ultimate theory of, whichever brand hit the market first was eternally going to be "the loser" in the public eye. I didn't come up with that one, either; somebody from Forbes or some other financial analyst page went ahead and predicted it almost a decade ago. It just happens to be true.

Unless your name is Oreo, no brand has ever come out second and overtaken their predecessor in the same marketplace. It's incredibly rare, at any rate. People are inherently biased against things they consider a "cheap imitation" and will never truly view them with an open mind. "If they were any good, they would have been out first, right?" Before, people made fun of DC movies for trying to be different than Marvel, now we snicker at them for "copying" them out of desperation. But the truth is, they weren't gonna win anybody over because they got in the game too late. But you can't just stay home, so... it is what it is.

Hey, by the way, if you wanna avoid becoming a jaded cynic, folks, simply avoid taking any Entertainment Marketing classes. :trazz: I mean, it helps things make a lot of sense, but it's also kind of depressing, sometimes.
Basically Warner Bros does not care about Superhero movies. and are pretty much sabotaging the whole thing. They aren't trying to follow the same formula as Marvel. They just want there directors to do whatever they want with it. even if it means not following what Marvel is doing. Its the reason why this whole DCEU thing is a mess. Wonder Woman got lucky because it had a director who actually cared. The same goes for Aquaman.

But when it comes to Batman, Warner Bros only cares that those Batman films be dark and gritty. They want another Dark Knight movie. Which is what they seemed to be getting with the new Batman movie that's being planned. and the upcoming Joker movie. Which is going on a completely different direction. God knows what they have plans for the Suicide Squad reboot with James Gunn. But don't expect it to be anywhere near the Guardian movies. He's probably gonna take that whole thing to a different direction and make it super dark like his previous work before Marvel.

[Sumac]

What I find hilarious, though, is that even when they trip over themselves to follow that formula to the letter, DC/WB still can't catch a break. Which proves the ultimate theory of, whichever brand hit the market first was eternally going to be "the loser" in the public eye. I didn't come up with that one, either; somebody from Forbes or some other financial analyst page went ahead and predicted it almost a decade ago. It just happens to be true.
They have failed not because they have been second, but because they made crap.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I need to order my tickets. Got my babysitting already lined up...

[Autbot_Benz]

I just laugh that the CW shows minus not Green Arrow have been doing the characters better than the DCEU Have.

Hell Elseworlds the crossover for this year as been amazing.

[RaphaelinSTL]

Currently at 78% ... I see it going down as more reviews start to trickle in. (https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/aquaman_2018?cmp=TWRT_Movie_Aquaman)

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I just laugh that the CW shows minus not Green Arrow have been doing the characters better than the DCEU Have.

Hell Elseworlds the crossover for this year as been amazing.

I dunno, man. You gotta slog through a TON of bull$hit to watch the CW shows. I sad-quit a year or more ago... the few guys at work who also watch geek shows are in the same boat, mostly.

But on the sole comparison of Ezra Miller versus Grant Gustin, there is zero argument. Zero. :tlol:

I'll take "remind me how I'm faster than everyone else and could totally dodge a normal-speed gorilla punch?" Flash over "I'm autistic and don't understand how to eat breakfast and also Grindlewald won't leave me alone" Flash.

[Autbot_Benz]

I dunno, man. You gotta slog through a TON of bull$hit to watch the CW shows. I sad-quit a year or more ago... the few guys at work who also watch geek shows are in the same boat, mostly.

But on the sole comparison of Ezra Miller versus Grant Gustin, there is zero argument. Zero. :tlol:

I'll take "remind me how I'm faster than everyone else and could totally dodge a normal-speed gorilla punch?" Flash over "I'm autistic and don't understand how to eat breakfast and also Grindlewald won't leave me alone" Flash.

we got a better superman out of the CW than Mopey Emo Cavill Superman Id rather sit through an hour of anything DCCW than 2 hours of the DCEU

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

we got a better superman out of the CW than Mopey Emo Cavill Superman Id rather sit through an hour of anything DCCW than 2 hours of the DCEU

I strongly disagree, but don't care to argue over it. You do you. :tsmile:

[Leo656]

They have failed not because they have been second, but because they made crap.

Sometimes you're right about stuff. You nonetheless have many bad opinions. This is one of them.

The organization itself is a mess, because they don't know which "fans" to listen to. The product was fine. Was. Until they lost faith and got panicky.

They ABSOLUTELY shouldn't be listening to people who don't even read comics. Which is 99% of the people whining about the movies. "But... but the cartoon shows!" Yeaaaah, not relevant. "But... But Chris Reeve...!" Those insipid kids movies have NOTHING to do with Superman, and anyone who's ever picked up a comic since 1986 can tell you that.

I know your opinion isn't gonna change, but it's forever tiresome hearing people who don't know what they're talking about, insist in fact that they do. If all a person knows of the DCU is old cartoons and movies that have been outdated for over a quarter-century, maybe they should allow that their opinion is based on misinformation, and not be so wedded to it.

I know jack sh*t about Marvel, so I try hard not to speak to what they do, because I don't want to come off either ignorant, or just a dick. It would be great if other people followed suit.

I strongly disagree, but don't care to argue over it. You do you. :tsmile:

Yeah, that guy's f*cking terrible. That whole show is terrible. A buddy asked me my opinion today about the CW-verse, I told him Flash is all I can handle, the rest is junk. That's what he thought, too, he just wanted to see if it was just him or not. :trazz:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Yeah, that guy's f*cking terrible. That whole show is terrible. A buddy asked me my opinion today about the CW-verse, I told him Flash is all I can handle, the rest is junk. That's what he thought, too, he just wanted to see if it was just him or not. :trazz:

It is truly the worst CW capes/boots show. And that is saying something.

CW Superman can't do a fvcking thing; can't beat a villain, can't not be mind-controlled, can't win the day. It's all on Supergirl's lady shoulders. For fvck's sake.

[Andrew NDB]

I have a love/hate relationship with "Arrow" but I still find it pretty entertaining. "Flash" is generally consistently better than "Arrow" and pound for pound a pretty nice superhero TV show, except for when it goes SJW crazy, stuff like the bachelor party episode. I didn't know what to make of "Legends" going into it but I really dig it. Sometimes it can be pretty goofy, but there's a lot of production value going on. Watched a few "Black Lightning"s and that wasn't bad either.

"Supergirl"... yeesh. I tried, I really tried. Just couldn't do it. I fear the worst for "Batwoman."

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

"Supergirl"... yeesh. I tried, I really tried. Just couldn't do it. I fear the worst for "Batwoman."

It'll be exactly the same as Supergirl. Woohoo. :trolleye:

[Autbot_Benz]

I have a love/hate relationship with "Arrow" but I still find it pretty entertaining. "Flash" is generally consistently better than "Arrow" and pound for pound a pretty nice superhero TV show, except for when it goes SJW crazy, stuff like the bachelor party episode. I didn't know what to make of "Legends" going into it but I really dig it. Sometimes it can be pretty goofy, but there's a lot of production value going on. Watched a few "Black Lightning"s and that wasn't bad either.

"Supergirl"... yeesh. I tried, I really tried. Just couldn't do it. I fear the worst for "Batwoman."

Keep Watching Black Lightning it gets better and ya Legends is great it knows its a goofy show and doesn't care.

oh during the crossover Lois says she is having supes kid and Superman says I kid you not The world doesn't need Superman because it has Supergirl what a load of ******** :roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:

[Andrew NDB]

oh during the crossover Lois says she is having supes kid and Superman says I kid you not The world doesn't need Superman because it has Supergirl what a load of ******** :roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:

Really? Ugh, they just keep pressing that button, don't they? It's like they only brought out Superman so he can keep jobbing to Supergirl.

[Autbot_Benz]

Really? Ugh, they just keep pressing that button, don't they? It's like they only brought out Superman so he can keep jobbing to Supergirl.

ya I groaned hard when he said that. It seems Supes is just for the crossovers now

[Andrew NDB]

It seems Supes is just for the crossovers now

Maybe not (https://tvline.com/2018/12/08/arrowverse-crossover-preview-elizabeth-tulloch-lois-lane-superman-interview/).

[ZariusTwo]

Oh, so they are following the Rebirth continuity with Lois and Clark and bringing little Jon into things:D

[Sumac]

The organization itself is a mess, because they don't know which "fans" to listen to. The product was fine. Was. Until they lost faith and got panicky.
Which product?
Man of Steel was controversial, BVS was a dumpster fire, Justice League was a lrage EHHHHHHHHH. And the time of BVS they haven't gone panic mode yet.
With BVS they delivered a project which was very true to the vision of its creator, certain Mr. Snyder and this project was inept, boring and depressing.
The mess was in the heads of the execs who had put Snyder in charge of DCCU and had allowed BVS to be made.

They ABSOLUTELY shouldn't be listening to people who don't even read comics. Which is 99% of the people whining about the movies. "But... but the cartoon shows!" Yeaaaah, not relevant. "But... But Chris Reeve...!" Those insipid kids movies have NOTHING to do with Superman, and anyone who's ever picked up a comic since 1986 can tell you that.
Comic book movies, shouldn't be for comic book fans.

Like any other adaptation of the pre-existing property they should be for EVERYONE. When you make that little macabre adaptation, which is so up its own ass with its lore and adapt beloved character as they were in some obscure stories - negative results are to be expected.
Pair its all up with an ambitious arrogant creator who is also up his own ass and you get a recipe for a disaster.

BVS was bad, not because DC had listened to fans. They did not. It was bad because the whole idea to be "anti-Marvel" / deconstruction of Superman and Batman was arrogant, stupid and awfully executed. Such stuff shouldn't be a foundation for the Cinematic Universe. At the very least things like that should be experimental one-off movies.

I know your opinion isn't gonna change, but it's forever tiresome hearing people who don't know what they're talking about, insist in fact that they do. If all a person knows of the DCU is old cartoons and movies that have been outdated for over a quarter-century, maybe they should allow that their opinion is based on misinformation, and not be so wedded to it.
I haven't watched anything about Superman, except for the old movie, which I didn't like. So, I can judge movie about him without any pre-existing bias and with no references to anything.
And in my opinion, MOS was so-so and BVS was horrible.

I know jack sh*t about Marvel, so I try hard not to speak to what they do, because I don't want to come off either ignorant, or just a dick. It would be great if other people followed suit.
You can judge movies for their quality as standalone works, not as adaptations.
In fact, IMO, this what you should in many cases.

[ZariusTwo]

Just got back from it. It's fine.

Partially Black Panther but with white dudes, partially buddy cop quest, partially overbloated CGI finale, not a lot of rapid-fire quipping either, it knows when to be serious and when to stop to smile and eat the roses. Don't expect much of Black Manta though

[Krutch]

Comic book movies, shouldn't be for comic book fans.

Like any other adaptation of the pre-existing property they should be for EVERYONE.

You can judge movies for their quality as standalone works, not as adaptations.
In fact, IMO, this what you should in many cases.Well... It all comes down to intent. If you intend to make a movie that alienates non-comic fans and to do a true celebration of the comics, then that's totally your prerogative to do so. But honestly, I'm not sure who Zack was making this universe for.

I like a lot of the broad strokes DC was attempting and give them huge credit for taking such a bold approach to their universe. Unfortunately, Zack doesn't have the leadership or focused storytelling in him to execute a vision this grandiose, so what we get is a jumbled mess full of half baked ideas where if you squint realllly hard you can see what he's going for - some of the time.

I say this as a fan of much of Zack's work - he's just not the right guy to steer the ship. He has a strong visual style (everyone knows that) and a sharp attention to detail. But he has an extremely hard time telling that cohesively through the story. Sure, you can go through and cherry pick different things and go "See, look here - this is what he's saying. And here? This is a reference to this, which will be payed off in a few more movies if you're patient." but that's just... well, that's just lousy, meandering, obtuse storytelling. And i'm not even getting into all the times he contradicts himself while doing so. Anyone can make a nonsensical story with the promise of "oooooh but it'll be worth it when it pays off in 10 years!". But not only is that arrogant storytelling (to assume the DCEU would be successful enough in the first place) it puts people in a 6-10 year hold for what they actually want to see.

[Leo656]

Just got back from it. It's fine.

Partially Black Panther but with white dudes, partially buddy cop quest, partially overbloated CGI finale, not a lot of rapid-fire quipping either, it knows when to be serious and when to stop to smile and eat the roses. Don't expect much of Black Manta though

Awwww, I was stoked to see how they'd handle him. Too bad we don't get a lot. :ohwell:


I haven't watched anything about Superman, except for the old movie, which I didn't like. So, I can judge movie about him without any pre-existing bias and with no references to anything.
And in my opinion, MOS was so-so and BVS was horrible.


Translation:

"I don't know what I'm talking about, so I should keep my ignorant opinion to myself and not repeatedly scream it as fact."

...Is what a person with any self-awareness would say. But thanks for letting me know quite clearly to completely ignore and disregard any and all opinions you have may have about any movies going forward, but especially ones based on comics.

Like, I'm not gonna sit here and wax poetic for several years (as some people do/have) about whether "Interview With the Vampire" is a "masterpiece" or a "piece of sh*t" or whether it accurately reflects the works of Anne Rice, because I don't have any f*cking idea. My opinion starts and ends with me; I'm not gonna trash the movie, rave about it, or cast aspersions on the directors or anyone who likes or dislikes the movies. I can simply say, "For me it was ____" and that"s it.

Because I'm not an asshole like some folks, and my opinions aren't facts by default (until inevitably proven to be by others :trazz:). You, and many, would do well to follow my lead if you ever wanna have a productive conversation that"s not with a computer screen, jack.
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Krutch: If anything, the storytelling in MoS and BvS felt more like "comic book storytelling" than "movie storytelling", which to me is fine but I can see why to others it was strange.

I don't have to "squint" for anything to make sense, but again, maybe I just read "too many" comic books. :trazz:

[ZariusTwo]

Awwww, I was stoked to see how they'd handle him. Too bad we don't get a lot. :ohwell:

Yeah, you get a grand total of one drawn-out fight scene in the midst of the movie (occasionally cutting back to Mera against the Atlantean troopers), and then he gets defeated and isn't seen again until the mid-credits. On initial viewing, I thought his head had been blown off and was surprised in the mid-credits scene to find it was just his helmet that got fried :-?

[Shark_Blade]

Wow amazing movie. DC outdone themselves this time. I reckon it’s better than Wonder Woman, the final battle was epic.

Without going into story spoiler territory,

I always had a crush on Nicole Kidman. She’s in a league of her own when it comes to beauty and grace standard, just like Charlize Theron.

Most of the time I imagine this as a live action Little Mermaid movie, I mean Mera is already Ariel in my mind (I love her since Justice League). And there’s the gold Trident and ocean palace. I hope Disney step it up for their TLM live action because the expectation is already set very high in Aquaman.

This also marks a return of alpha male hero for me. I can’t think of a male hero that sports long hair and beard but still looks dashingly good. He’s pretty charismatic too. And that muscular hairless body is damn fine, makes you wanna workout in the gym.

Heh I reckon I’m gonna watch this again. 9/10 awesome.

[Leo656]

Yeah, you get a grand total of one drawn-out fight scene in the midst of the movie (occasionally cutting back to Mera against the Atlantean troopers), and then he gets defeated and isn't seen again until the mid-credits. On initial viewing, I thought his head had been blown off and was surprised in the mid-credits scene to find it was just his helmet that got fried :-?

Aww. Still, not too bad. This thing sounds really jammed, so I'm not surprised some things got a bit less attention that they maybe deserve.

How's Amber Heard? My wife haaaaaates her, because she's a Johnny Depp fanatic, and if she's really good in this it's gonna be a lotta fun for me. :trazz:

[ZariusTwo]

How's Amber Heard? My wife haaaaaates her, because she's a Johnny Depp fanatic, and if she's really good in this it's gonna be a lotta fun for me. :trazz:

Amber's alright, has good chemistry with Jason, that wig though...:P

[Andrew NDB]

There is equal blame between Zack and WB. Zack was just doing his Man of Steel trilogy. I really dug the first part, the only one we'll apparently even get. After part 1, WB got over-reactive about the backlash about people upset about Superman not saving anybody in MoS's climax... and at the same time wanting to springboard their DCEU. A lot of bigwig hats were being changed/promoted/replaced about this time. So we got BvS instead of Man of Steel 2, a half hearted sequel to MoS and a half hearted and wrong Batman 1... plus a lot of ham-fisted other stuff (WW, all the dumb cameos, future glimpses of what will come). It wasn't received well but that didn't really register until he was almost done shooting JL, so it was reshot the hell out of... but neither version of JL would have accomplished WB's nebulous goal of establishing their DCEU.

WB should have just left Zack as the architect (with reasonable supervision by the right people) of Man of Steel movies, and kept them coming. While similarly hiring others to do Batman movies and such.

[Leo656]

After part 1, WB got over-reactive about the backlash about people upset about Superman not saving anybody in MoS's climax...

This is a huge problem: People either not watching/understanding the movie, or making up things to complain about that didn't happen.

He saved the entire WORLD. As in, by literally pushing back with more force than ALL the gravity of the entire planet combined, smashing through the World Engine, and putting a stop to the terraforming scheme. He ALSO put an end to Zod's stated goal of murdering everyone on Earth one by one, which he absolutely would have done.

I know people might've liked to see more one-to-one, "getting cats out of trees" stuff, but seriously. He literally saved everyone, twice within a 15-minute window.

But no, yeah, "He didn't save anyone." :roll:

[Sumac]

Well... It all comes down to intent. If you intend to make a movie that alienates non-comic fans and to do a true celebration of the comics, then that's totally your prerogative to do so. But honestly, I'm not sure who Zack was making this universe for.
I have a feeling he was doing it for himself.
Afterall, it seems he had an enormous amount of trust from WB leadership and enormous amount of money. I won't be surprised if saw it as his own "magnum opus" - an opportunity to create a monumental work to be remebered.
Well, it is certainly remembered...

I like a lot of the broad strokes DC was attempting and give them huge credit for taking such a bold approach to their universe. Unfortunately, Zack doesn't have the leadership or focused storytelling in him to execute a vision this grandiose, so what we get is a jumbled mess full of half baked ideas where if you squint realllly hard you can see what he's going for - some of the time.
Indeed.
It goes for all his works, pretty much. Beautiful visuals, but very little attention on the characters and logic of the plot.

I say this as a fan of much of Zack's work - he's just not the right guy to steer the ship. He has a strong visual style (everyone knows that) and a sharp attention to detail. But he has an extremely hard time telling that cohesively through the story. Sure, you can go through and cherry pick different things and go "See, look here - this is what he's saying. And here? This is a reference to this, which will be payed off in a few more movies if you're patient." but that's just... well, that's just lousy, meandering, obtuse storytelling. And i'm not even getting into all the times he contradicts himself while doing so. Anyone can make a nonsensical story with the promise of "oooooh but it'll be worth it when it pays off in 10 years!". But not only is that arrogant storytelling (to assume the DCEU would be successful enough in the first place) it puts people in a 6-10 year hold for what they actually want to see.
Completely agree with all of this.

Translation:

"I don't know what I'm talking about, so I should keep my ignorant opinion to myself and not repeatedly scream it as fact."
Oh, I am so so sorry, that I don't hail ****** movie, because, I haven't read 10000 volusmes of Suerman comic books.

Let me tell you this: if you need to read 10k comic books to understand a single movie, than it is a very very VERY ****ING BAD movie.

...Is what a person with any self-awareness would say. But thanks for letting me know quite clearly to completely ignore and disregard any and all opinions you have may have about any movies going forward, but especially ones based on comics.
Thanks for reminding me that you are an arrogant douchebag.
It's not that it was a secret to anyone here, but I hoped we could have an interesting discussions time and time again. But apparently insulting your favorite superhero and his movies is a good way to get onto your bad side which is laughable.

Like, I'm not gonna sit here and wax poetic for several years (as some people do/have) about whether "Interview With the Vampire" is a "masterpiece" or a "piece of sh*t" or whether it accurately reflects the works of Anne Rice, because I don't have any f*cking idea. My opinion starts and ends with me; I'm not gonna trash the movie, rave about it, or cast aspersions on the directors or anyone who likes or dislikes the movies. I can simply say, "For me it was ____" and that"s it.

Because I'm not an asshole like some folks, and my opinions aren't facts by default (until inevitably proven to be by others :trazz:). You, and many, would do well to follow my lead if you ever wanna have a productive conversation that"s not with a computer screen, jack.
Except you did exactly what you've sworn not to.
So, good job at being embodient of mutually exclusive paragraphs.

Krutch: If anything, the storytelling in MoS and BvS felt more like "comic book storytelling" than "movie storytelling", which to me is fine but I can see why to others it was strange.

I don't have to "squint" for anything to make sense, but again, maybe I just read "too many" comic books. :trazz:
Now how about all those masses who haven't read 10k volumes of Superman?

I mean, it is obvious that you don't care about them, but it's kind of arrogant. Not to mention, potentially dangerous for the property.

This is a huge problem: People either not watching/understanding the movie, or making up things to complain about that didn't happen.
Or people didn't like the way movie was executed.

But no, yeah, "He didn't save anyone." :roll:
If I make a movie about goody-two-shoes superhero, who stops the supervillain, but in the process fails to save several thousands people, even though he could do it, I don't think it will go well.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I know people might've liked to see more one-to-one, "getting cats out of trees" stuff, but seriously. He literally saved everyone, twice within a 15-minute window.

But no, yeah, "He didn't save anyone." :roll:

He killed one Kryptonian general to save an entire population.

THE MONSTER.

There are reasons to dislike Man of Steel. Pa Kent's weird "let the other kids die" logic; or Pa Kent dying to save a dog and not letting Clark help.

Actually, there are reasons to dislike Man of Steel's Pa Kent. There ain't no real reason to dislike Man of Steel or Henry Cavill's Superman.

[Candy Kappa]

Sumac is right though. A CB shouldn't be made for comic fans only, and if you have to read volumes on volumes of comics to "get" a move that 'twas okay, someone did a bad job.

I enjoyed MoS well enough despite its flaws, but I don't own it on DVD/bluray nor have I seen it more then twice, cause honestly the movie loses its "luster" (as much luster that bleak colorless movie have :P) each time it's seen. It has a lot of nice scenes in it that are very nice to watch on YouTube when soneone have color corrected the clips to look nice, bright and colorful, but beyond that I've lost ant interest in MoS2 or any other Snyder erase movie that isn't WW, Aquaman or Captain Marvel/Shazam. I feel the foundation Snyder and WB have laid works agains making good movies, and those who do turn out good are out of the norm.

[Andrew NDB]

Saw that early screening of "Aquaman" (well, early for the U.S., anyway). Hey, pretty good! I should say "surprisingly" good. The previews -- to me, particularly the first one -- made it look cheesy and dumb. A real feel good movie, and I was really worried. Everything they tried to do in this worked for me, and even all (I think? I'm pretty sure) the jokes landed. It's definitely an unintentional answer to "Black Panther" in many ways, and with even more CGI. So, so much CGI... it's pretty staggering towards the end (but what are you gonna do? 80% of the movie is all underwater). Which sounds worrisome, but they make it work. Easily as good as Wonder Woman even if it isn't as "important" of a movie, and maybe -- probably -- even better. As far as the DCEU goes, to me, it probably ranks just below "Man of Steel," which I still dig despite its weaknesses (which to me are nowhere near the level of weaknesses in any DCEU movie except for maybe WW).

Only bad thing I would say is... maybe too big? Nothing didn't work for me and the pace seemed right, but... I don't know that they needed to shoot for the stars quite so high with this. All the cards are laid out: giant disaster movie stuff, thousands fighting each under in giant undersea battles, Aquaman traveling the globe, etc.... it could have been smaller in scope and lost nothing at its core.

Sad thing is, even suspecting now that this movie will be a relative hit... what is it really going to benefit in the DCEU? JL already sunk the ship. I mean, it will improve the chances of an Aquaman 2, but what about Man of Steel 2? Or anything that matters in terms of damage control? I dunno. Give James Wan Man of Steel 2, I say. But nothing is really going to fix a dead-wrong Barry Allen or a Cyborg who shouldn't even be there, or the complete absence of a Green Lantern.

They get about as much mileage out of Nicole Kidman as they did with Michelle Pfieffer in Ant Man & The Wasp, except they let Kidman really kick ass in this (or her stuntwoman, but still). One really cool rooftop continuous shot chase/fight scene stands out with Mera and Aquaman. Wowed the whole crowd.

I also notice Geoff Johns squeezed in his recent "Trench" stuff from the comics into the movie. Decades and decades of Aquaman comics to pull from, and they just do that. :(

[Leo656]

I'll be blunt. People who don't read comics? Their opinions on comic book movies don't matter to me. Their opinions are ignorant and should be kept to themselves. People who read comics but view them as "silly kids stuff" only suited to comedies and children's entertainment? Same thing. I do not value their input, and I don't pretend to. Hot air with no point or meaning. If you don't know what you're talking about, how can you add anything to the conversation? "Well, I liked ____ and didn't like ___"? Fine, but that's you; it has less than nothing to do with what I think/feel as a person both familiar with and heavily invested in the source material. The least a person can do, IF they insist on having a STRONG opinion (and insisting those who disagree are fools), is have a basic understanding of whatever the subject matter is.

If a person has never read a comic book, then I don't care WHAT they think about the latest Superman/Batman/X-Men/Spider-Man/Whatever-Man movie. Liked it? Fine. Hated it? Fine. But don't act like you know jack from sh*t beyond that, because you don't. And absolutely don't presume to tell me MY opinion is right or wrong. My educated opinion on the subject weighs far more than your empty one. "Well, I don't know comics, but I know what *I* like." Fine. I don't care what you like, but don't tell me you're "better" or "smarter" than me if I like something you don't, or vice-versa. THAT is what's truly "arrogant". NOT me expecting people to actually have something to stand their opinions on top of, other than, "It's my opinion."

It's okay to be ignorant, just admit you are, and don't expect others to fall in line with your opinion, or else they're "bad people" or whatever. THAT is what I take issue with.

It's okay to like "Braveheart" as a film. It's completely ignorant to say it faithfully represents its characters or its story. It's a fun movie, but it does a terrible job representing what it's supposed to be about. Do we go around calling history professors "idiots" or "elitist assholes" because they point out that film has as much basis in history as a Bazooka Joe comic? No, we don't.

A LOT of people on this forum are the "comics are silly, the movies should be silly" types, so it's no shock we disagree. It SHOULD be fine to simply disagree, but the eternal, "You like that thing I don't like, you're stupid" bullsh*t is what I can't stand about this place. Especially where it comes from, which is, again, Ignorant People convinced their word is all that carries weight, or that because it's consensus HERE, it's consensus everywhere.

TMNT fans, of all people, should never lecture ANYONE about their tastes. Not in movies, not in anything. "I'm a huge TMNT fan!" and "I know good entertainment from bad entertainment!" are 100% mutually exclusive statements. Sorry to be an "arrogant douchebag" about it, but it's worth pointing out. Just given the fact that this fanbase excels at NOTHING more than swallowing whatever sh*t they're given in the hope there's a nugget of ice cream in there. But by all means, tell people their standards are "lesser" than yours. :roll:

Nobody's "right", you're just dicks being dickish because you outnumber someone in the room, opinion-wise. When it's flipped around on you, though, you cry about it. Funny how that has worked, historically.
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No, Sumac, we can't have "conversations" because you're the type who tries to get people riled up on purpose, otherwise you would have jumped off the conversation a long time ago or taken it private when I asked you to. You're just a dick, trolling people for "the lulz". Again, your very first interaction with me was to flame-bait on my "wall", which tells me everything I need to know about you as a person. That, and how you repeatedly ignored my requests for a respectful private conversation, in favor of... This. So DON'T act like you're anything other than a rag. You had a chance to prove you weren't, but you turned it down.

If I talk down to you, or anyone - which I absolutely do and won't deny - it's because they've earned it. Again, I've long given you the benefit of the doubt, and even defended you at times even though I knew better, if for no other reason than I don't like seeing people ganged up on. Recent experience has simply proven that when people go ahead and show/tell me who they are, I should definitely listen.

[Leo656]

Saw that early screening of "Aquaman" (well, early for the U.S., anyway). Hey, pretty good! I should say "surprisingly" good. The previews -- to me, particularly the first one -- made it look cheesy and dumb. A real feel good movie, and I was really worried. (

This is good to hear, as I've had similar concerns. I think Mamoa's great in the role, though, so I figured even if I didn't love the material I'd at least enjoy his performance of it.

We're gonna go next weekend, in between all the last-minute Christmas shopping and whatnot.

I share the confusion about what the success of this movie could mean for the future, but truthfully - and keep in mind, I'm not a CEO or shareholder of a billion-dollar franchise - I don't think things are as shot as people think. I strongly feel they could have had, and could still have, a decent set-up but WB as a company is just far too over-reactionary with everything they do. If something doesn't make MCU money or get MCU rave reviews, their first instinct is to throw out the baby with the bathwater. You'll NEVER get ahead with that kind of approach. You have to "stay the course" sometimes, which is something they don't know how to do.

It's not even new to them. They've been meandering in their approach to super-hero films ever since "Batman Returns" confused and divided the audience, and they immediately did a complete 180 and responded with those lousy Schumacher flicks. I do love DC, but I've long wished they were owned by someone with a better business approach than WB.

Let's face it, the company that gave the world "Space Jam" is NEVER going to be capable of creating "high art", or even settling on a long-term creative direction. That's simply not what Warner Bros. does. And that's incredibly frustrating, sometimes. But it's why I generally fault the company, not individual directors (although the fact that I happen to enjoy their work in general does factor in, obviously). It's just not a good business environment. Especially not in a field where they jumped in "second" and were going to eternally play catch-up.

I don't know. :ohwell: It's a mess. But I still think if they actually sat down with Cavill, Affleck, etc., they could still figure everything out (and they really need to fight to keep those guys, because anyone else is a huge step backwards). But they'd have to completely shut out what The Competition is doing, and focus totally on themselves. And I have no faith in them to do that, because... that's what they started to do. For 5 whole minutes, and two whole movies, before they panicked, and now we're here.

Ah well. At least this sounds promising. I've always said, "Aquaman can't work as a movie", so it's nice to be proven wrong. :trazz:

[Sumac]

I'll be blunt. People who don't read comics? Their opinions on comic book movies don't matter to me. Their opinions are ignorant and should be kept to themselves.
Trimming the rest of the water, this sentence right here is incredibly hilarious and ignorant in itself.

Whether you have noticed it or not, your opinion right here is rather questionable, because, it implies that comic book movies don't have ANY value outside of how true they are to the source material. Vision of the director, script, actors - all of it doesn't matter, for you, or so you are saying.
Which basically means, that all work that those people put into the movie is meaningless for you.

It's basically saying that anyone who don't have knowledge of the source, shouldn't have or voice their opinion on the movie. It's arrogant, ignorant and plain elitist.
It's like saying that the only thing in the music that matters is a melody. Arrangement, lyrics, instruments - none of that matters. According to your theory it means that someone can take Bohemian Rhapsody, make an absolutely horrendous arragement of it on the empty beer cans and you will consider it a masterpiece, since it's the Bohemian Rhapsody!!

Honestly, I can understand devotion to the franchise, but this is really is puzzling.

Of course, there is possibility that I have misunderstood and you wanted to say something different, but I feel like it might not be the case.

If a person has never read a comic book, then I don't care WHAT they think about the latest Superman/Batman/X-Men/Spider-Man/Whatever-Man movie. Liked it? Fine. Hated it? Fine. But don't act like you know jack from sh*t beyond that, because you don't. And absolutely don't presume to tell me MY opinion is right or wrong. My educated opinion on the subject weighs far more than your empty one. "Well, I don't know comics, but I know what *I* like." Fine. I don't care what you like, but don't tell me you're "better" or "smarter" than me if I like something you don't, or vice-versa. THAT is what's truly "arrogant". NOT me expecting people to actually have something to stand their opinions on top of, other than, "It's my opinion."
Pretending that your opinion on the adaptation outweighs someone else's, because, you have knowledge of the source material is an epitome of arrogance.

It's like as if I've said: "My opinion on (another) Sherlock Holmes is supperior to yours, because, I know source material!!"

So what? How and why this should invalidate opinion of the people about a movie? Especially, if said movie, takes a lot of liberties with the characters and the setting?

It doesn't make sense.

It's okay to be ignorant, just admit you are, and don't expect others to fall in line with your opinion, or else they're "bad people" or whatever. THAT is what I take issue with.
It's not about knowledge.
It's about quality.

If adaptation is ****, the fact that it is an adaptation of the great story, won't save it. It SHOULD NOT save it. And defending questionable work by claiming it was adapted from a good source material is a deflection and actually removed from actual discussion about quality of the movie.

And applicable to that discussion: I am not criticizing MOS or BVS on the merit of their core stories. There are some interesting ideas here and there. And, under any other circustances I would have a great respect for the director who didn't fear to take such familiar characters and make a bold adaptation of some of their iconic stories.

However, in the case of those movies, great vision was impaired by multitude of imperfections, like actor perfomance, pacing, writing, which had buried all the potential greatness under a pile of clumsy.

There are many nuances in how you can make something. There is a difference between making story epic or self-indulging / arrogant / pretentious. Like making actors give over-the-top perfomance which is creepy and over-the-top which is hilarious and juvenille.

This is what my criticism of those movies about.
Not whether core stories were any good. But about those nuances.

It's okay to like "Braveheart" as a film. It's completely ignorant to say it faithfully represents its characters or its story. It's a fun movie, but it does a terrible job representing what it's supposed to be about. Do we go around calling history professors "idiots" or "elitist assholes" because they point out that film has as much basis in history as a Bazooka Joe comic? No, we don't.
I have a better question: do those professor call out moviegoers for liking this movie?

And do those prfessors say, that any opinion about this movie is invalid unless viewer had spend several years reading history books about an actual even and characters?

A LOT of people on this forum are the "comics are silly, the movies should be silly" types, so it's no shock we disagree.
Let me stop your needless elitist preaching right here and state that I've never EVER had said that comic book movies should be silly.

I can even go further and say that I do not consider comic books silly.

Comic books are just another type of media, which can be anything. Funny or scary, thoughtprovoking or batshit insane.

You like to assume a lot, but you know what they say about people who assume to much...

"I'm a huge TMNT fan!" and "I know good entertainment from bad entertainment!" are 100% mutually exclusive statements.
Not really.
It might shock you, but people can enjoy things of dubious quality and admit that what they are enjoying is not perfect or even good.

Just given the fact that this fanbase excels at NOTHING more than swallowing whatever sh*t they're given in the hope there's a nugget of ice cream in there. But by all means, tell people their standards are "lesser" than yours. :roll:
Or people can just enjoy different things, without calling out others on "how dare you enjoy something that is not 100% true to the mood and canon of the HOLY SOURCE!!!!"

Nobody's "right", you're just dicks being dickish because you outnumber someone in the room, opinion-wise. When it's flipped around on you, though, you cry about it. Funny how that has worked, historically.
Whatever, dude.

Truth is, you've got all butthurt (again) when someone touched your precious Superman and this is what it's all about.

No, Sumac, we can't have "conversations" because you're the type who tries to get people riled up on purpose, otherwise you would have jumped off the conversation a long time ago or taken it private when I asked you to. You're just a dick, trolling people for "the lulz". Again, your very first interaction with me was to flame-bait on my "wall", which tells me everything I need to know about you as a person. That, and how you repeatedly ignored my requests for a respectful private conversation, in favor of... This. So DON'T act like you're anything other than a rag. You had a chance to prove you weren't, but you turned it down.
And a good helping of personal attacks.
You are the cutest.

I have my own personal style of arguing and it might (and usually will) ruffle few feathers here and there. If it is all that takes you to fly of the rails like this, boy, you do have a problem.:lol:

If I talk down to you, or anyone - which I absolutely do and won't deny - it's because they've earned it. Again, I've long given you the benefit of the doubt, and even defended you at times even though I knew better, if for no other reason than I don't like seeing people ganged up on. Recent experience has simply proven that when people go ahead and show/tell me who they are, I should definitely listen.
"I hurt people only when they've deserved it!"
Totally not arrogant.
Totally sane.

What your Superman would've said about such proclamation? :roll:

[Andrew NDB]

lol, what is it with you two? You get along so great about politics, it's just everything else...

To be fair, if TPTB did a picture-perfect adaptation of the Fred Wolf TMNT cartoon, I would say that was sh*t. Because the Fred Wolf TMNT is sh*t. But if someone were to tell me, "F*** you, Andrew, Fred Wolf TMNT is awesome and this is an awesome movie!" I guess that would be fair.

[Sumac]

lol, what is it with you two? You get along so great about politics, it's just everything else...
An art is more important than mere politricks! :D

[Leo656]

lol, what is it with you two? You get along so great about politics, it's just everything else...

Just another person where, if I end up agreeing with them about anything at all, I know that I'm wrong, and have to re-evaluate everything.

Ignoring giant wall of flame-bait text, because this sh*t's ridiculous and circular.

It'd be fine if any person didn't like a movie, or a game, or ANY "thing", without adding all the "Only things that meet my criteria are Good, anyone who disagrees is a moron" bullsh*t. I've been railing against that nonsense for many years longer than This Guy's been here.

[Sumac]

It'd be fine if any person didn't like a movie, or a game, or ANY "thing", without adding all the "Only things that meet my criteria are Good, anyone who disagrees is a moron" bullsh*t. I've been railing against that nonsense for many years longer than This Guy's been here.
I don't say that only things I say are good.
And when that something is not good, I can back it up, with more than "it is close to the source material, therefore it is good!"

[Leo656]

I don't say that only things I say are good.
And when that something is not good, I can back it up, with more than "it is close to the source material, therefore it is good!"

Yeah, you kinda do lean on your opinion being all that matters, and dismiss anything other people think/feel, even when they explain what informs their position. That's not conversation.

I had a better reply but the forum ghosts ate it, and I have to go back to work.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I loved it. Right up there with Man of Steel and Wonder Woman. I think the DCEU has had far better success with their solo outings than their team-ups.

I had a few minor quibbles, but nothing worth harping on. The kaiju was a little out there. The Trench was great. Amber Heard wasn't a disaster like some people thought she would be. Momoa was great.

[TigerClaw]

Saw it today. It was really good. I hope the rest of the DCEU movies are like this for now on. :)

[Andrew NDB]

I loved it. Right up there with Man of Steel and Wonder Woman. I think the DCEU has had far better success with their solo outings than their team-ups.

I had a few minor quibbles, but nothing worth harping on. The kaiju was a little out there. The Trench was great. Amber Heard wasn't a disaster like some people thought she would be. Momoa was great.

I was worried they'd kind of relegate Aquaman to sort of the dumb toxic masculinity figure... womansplained and "saved" by others a lot. They allowed him to be him, for the most part. If this came out 15 years ago it would be the biggest movie ever... but in the shadow of stuff like Black Panther and the radioactivity of the JL movie, it will only ever be remembered as "pretty good."

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I was worried they'd kind of relegate Aquaman to sort of the dumb toxic masculinity figure... womansplained and "saved" by others a lot. They allowed him to be him, for the most part. If this came out 15 years ago it would be the biggest movie ever... but in the shadow of stuff like Black Panther and the radioactivity of the JL movie, it will only ever be remembered as "pretty good."

Comparing it to a couple of Marvel movies, I think they did the sibling rivalry better than Thor, but the political issue and reason for the battle for the throne was more compelling in Black Panther.

As a guy who really didn't like having Momoa cast as Aquaman back in the day, I enjoyed him in Justice League but wasn't sure he could carry a whole movie as the main lead.

He totally did it, and it was glorious.

[drgon78]

I saw it earlier today, I really enjoyed it.

[Andrew NDB]

Comparing it to a couple of Marvel movies, I think they did the sibling rivalry better than Thor, but the political issue and reason for the battle for the throne was more compelling in Black Panther.

As a guy who really didn't like having Momoa cast as Aquaman back in the day, I enjoyed him in Justice League but wasn't sure he could carry a whole movie as the main lead.

He totally did it, and it was glorious.

I concur on all points there.

If there might be a large weak point, the closest thing might be Black Manta's motivations. But something about that actor's performance really saved that.

Also yeah, how'd they get out of the desert? But yes, probably deleted scene.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I concur on all points there.

If there might be a large weak point, the closest thing might be Black Manta's motivations. But something about that actor's performance really saved that.

Also yeah, how'd they get out of the desert? But yes, probably deleted scene.

Yeah, the "now we're out of the desert running over Italian rooftops" really reminds me of the deleted scene that never happened explaining why Joker left the party after throwing Rachel Dawes out a window. The movie flows really well, but you kinda blink and do a double-take when you realize what got skipped over.

[MikeandRaph87]

One thing that took me for a surprise is Tom was left alive. I was 100% sure Black Manta would kill Arthur's father like in the New 52. Yet he is spared and reunited with Atlanna. Sparing Aquaman's parents was a good move as heroes parents are required to die, even Barry Allen once he was revived lost his mother so it was a good move and lessens the darkness the DCEU has become known for.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

One thing that took me for a surprise is Tom was left alive. I was 100% sure Black Manta would kill Arthur's father like in the New 52. Yet he is spared and reunited with Atlanna. Sparing Aquaman's parents was a good move as heroes parents are required to die, even Barry Allen once he was revived lost his mother so it was a good move and lessens the darkness the DCEU has become known for.

Yeah, when the tidal wave hit the truck, I laughed and told myself, "Here comes another hero with dead parents!" But then his dad survived, his mom survived, happy ending all around! :tgrin:

[MikeandRaph87]

Yeah, when the tidal wave hit the truck, I laughed and told myself, "Here comes another hero with dead parents!" But then his dad survived, his mom survived, happy ending all around! :tgrin:

Do you think Black Manta will get the kill in the sequel? If Black Manta is allowed some revenge and its hard pressed he would kill toddler Arthur Jr. then the new 52 spin with father Tom Curry being his victim would occur. Hope not, but it just seems an obivious plot. Glad it all worked out in this film though. :tsmile:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Do you think Black Manta will get the kill in the sequel? If Black Manta is allowed some revenge and its hard pressed he would kill toddler Arthur Jr. then the new 52 spin with father Tom Curry being his victim would occur. Hope not, but it just seems an obivious plot. Glad it all worked out in this film though. :tsmile:

The DCEU is never going to kill Arthur Junior. They're already terrified of being too "dark."

Nah, Manta is going to kill one or both of Arthur's parents. Probably his dad, could also be his mom. But the dad is symmetry, poetic justice.

Yeah, I hope Manta sticks around. That actor was great! And the DCEU really needs some good villains... last good villain was General Zod, for frak's sake. :tlol:

(Although Harley Quinn and Deadshot were good; they just weren't technically villains in their movie.)

[MikeandRaph87]

Villains can be protagonist. It does not make them not villains.Not crazy about General Zod turned into Doomesday. I guess you have a point about the villains. I dont like Kristen Wiig, but I am curious what will be done with Cheetah. Will it be Dr. Barbara Minerva New 52 or will Prscillia Rich be influenced?

I am thinking of making a new thread about rogues galleries. Aquaman has only ever had the two. One thing that would help Aquaman is getting threats beyond Black Manta and Ocean Master( I actually own his first appearance).

Glad to see Mera be given focus. One of the few things that benefits Aquaman is DC allows him to be married and she has powers of her own. Only it was not much of a motivation for Mera to help Arthur. It was simply she wanted to do the greater good for everyone which meant lure Aquaman to Atlantis and have him claim the throne. I suppose there was a parallel for her and Atlanna as well.

[Krutch]

Alright, my two cents on Aquaman.

Spoilers ahoy!

First of all, some backstory. I'm a pretty big Aquaman fan. He's just a hair below Superman as my top DC guy going all the way back to my youth. I've never understood the rep he's had over the years or why he's always the butt of jokes because he can "talk to fish." Homeboy controls most of the life on the planet and still cares enough about the surface world that he makes that his business, too. Dudes a legend.

I hated that everyone pointed to Brave and the Bold as their favourite and preferred version of the character because it's such a self-mocking parody. And while I was glad some people are enjoying Aquaman in some fashion - the King of the Seven Seas he was not. And it didn't look like anything was going to change that public perception he had.

Enter Mamoa.

Look, plain and simple, he's #notmyAquaman. I didn't really care for the laid back bro-ness of this approach, as well as decking him all out in tatts and making him resemble some kind of He-Man action figure. To me, they were trying way too hard. But there was a part of me that understood that Aquaman -more than DC- needed a win. So, whatever. I dropped my preconceptions and waited to see what would happen. Maybe I'll actually get an actual live action Aquaman movie in my lifetime - something I never thought I'd see, even in the Superhero Blitz we're living in.

So here we are. Aquaman has been released. What'd I think of it?

Well, it's funny because to me what I think I like most is also what I like least - it's confidence.

I love it's confidence in the Aquaman mythology. This movie is so uninterested in setting up sequels or referencing Justice League events (beyond a quick one liner) and it just immerses the viewer in a pure Aquaman experience, and the movie is stronger for it. James Wan's passion for exploring Atlantis and what makes it so fascinating comes across each scene and its one of the most visually striking and entertaining films I've ever seen. Everyone seems to be having a blast just going for it and it makes for some really fun, engaging moments.

On the flip side, I think James knew there was a very real chance that no one was going to come see an Aquaman movie not only due to his reputation but DCEU's reputation as a whole. Because of this, I think he tried to jam the movie full of as much lore and story as he possibly could because he was fearful there would never be a sequel. Black Manta definitely could have been saved for a sequel. The rise and fall of Atlantis could have been saved for the sequel when Aquaman learns what it means to be King. Arthur's romance with Mera could have been spread out and paced over 2 or 3 movies instead of rushing to the finish line here.

Because there is so much story going on, the characters feel more like vehicles that take us from one history lesson to the next. And while to me it's cool seeing all this stuff brought to life - I really, really just wanted to connect with Aquaman the character. But what we have here is something like Aquaman History Concentrate - a two hour history lesson for anyone unfamiliar.

As for Mamoa? He grew on me. Like I said, I just wanted a win for the King and people seem to be pretty taken by his approach. His actions felt like Arthur to me even if his words didn't, and that's good enough for now. I'm hoping he matures a bit in the sequel once the weight of being a King sets in.

There's alot of good in this movie. If anyone is curious about Aquaman I'd have no reservations about recommending this movie. It's fun, light, chalk full of mythology and just a total treat for the eyes. I'm happy with how it came out but there's plenty of room for improvement moving forward, if given that chance. I'm pulling for this movie big time and hope it makes enough domestically to warrant a sequel.

And that's my two cents.

[IMJ]

I am really surprised by some of what I've read here. I haven't seen the movie yet, so it's not that I agree or disagree with any of this, but the media spent the last two weeks really hammering home how great this flick was for the DCU, but then just today I saw a headline that said "Aquaman posts the lowest DCEU Opening (https://screenrant.com/aquaman-box-office-opening-weekend/)".

I guess once again, the initial media narrative is a manipulation rather than a report.

But with that said, I wouldn't mind seeing this flick, but that one moment in the trailer where the Colosseum of underwater spectators at first look shocked, but then raise their hands up in a cheer looked so CGI'd to me that I swore it spelled doom for the whole movie.

First of all, some backstory. I'm a pretty big Aquaman fan. He's just a hair below Superman as my top DC guy going all the way back to my youth.

This is a sentence I never imaged reading a day in my life. I swear I'm not crapping on this - I've been a hard, hard core Iron Man fan since like.... 1989, and back then no one cared.

But could you expand on this? Why? How? I really am curious, and if it's true I'm not trying to crap on it at all, but I mean, how do you get into Aquaman fandom?

[Redeemer]

I am really surprised by some of what I've read here. I haven't seen the movie yet, so it's not that I agree or disagree with any of this, but the media spent the last two weeks really hammering home how great this flick was for the DCU, but then just today I saw a headline that said "Aquaman posts the lowest DCEU Opening (https://screenrant.com/aquaman-box-office-opening-weekend/)".

I guess once again, the initial media narrative is a manipulation rather than a report.



Well the movie opened up here like a week before Christmas so it is not shocking in my opinion. I think DC should have moved up the release date. But the movie opened up overseas two weeks ago and has brought in 400 million and doubled its budget from overseas alone, so I think the movie will do relatively well. Nothing amazing, but will make a healthy profit for WB. Anything it gets over here will be icing on the cake.

I am going to see this after Christmas. I wasn't going to but everyone in this thread has been praising this movie.

[Leo656]

Current plan is to go tomorrow night after we do Christmas Eve dinner at her grandma's.

Looks pretty good, but I swear, I never knew there was so much f*cking neon on the ocean floor. :lol: "WB: We Make Overreacting To Criticism Into An Art Form." :trazz:

Add me to the "I never met anyone who called themselves an Aquaman fan" pool, too. I like the character fine but never really read any stories that made me wanna follow him consistently. One of the reasons I've been fine with DC's approach to the films so far is because of situations like this; we're now in a position where an Aquaman movie can not only exist, but potentially do very well, simply because some people already liked what they saw of Mamoa's take in previous films, and are willing to put the "It's Aquaman, he's lame" stuff out of their head on the strength of Mamoa's performance and enthusiasm.

Sure, they could have in theory put out an Aquaman movie before BvS or Justice League, but it wouldn't have taken off. The conversation back then was, "They shouldn't even waste time with Aquaman", and references to the sh*tty TV pilot they couldn't even give away for free. The little bit of Mamoa we got previously made people want to see more, and gave WB the confidence to invest in the character, and now here we are. I call that a win.

I agree with Krutch that it does look "stuffed", and also, that it probably comes from the new hyper-nervous (though admittedly wise) position of, "Don't bank on a sequel; if you have Good Stuff, then give it up while you can." They should've had that approach with the Green Lantern movie. I like that movie more than most, but it absolutely left all the best material for the sequel we never got. Now that there's no plan for DC films going forward, it only makes sense to just go balls-out every time, just in case.

[Krutch]

But could you expand on this? Why? How? I really am curious, and if it's true I'm not trying to crap on it at all, but I mean, how do you get into Aquaman fandom?See, it's funny because to me he's the obvious choice to check out. He's got a unique power set and lives under the sea - you instantly know it will be a very unique reading experience compared to the land-based heroes. And you have so much flexibility as a storyteller writing Atlantis mythology.

What kills me is how inconsistent he is in the hands of the many, many writers that have taken a pass at him.

Need a character who can lift up a nuclear submarine with his bare hands? Aquamans your guy.
Need a character who gets taken hostage without explaining how? Aquamans your guy.
Need a character who can lift Sub Diego out of the water? Aquamans your guy.
Need a character who is attacked by normal ****ing crabs and loses a hand? Yyyyup - Aquamans your guy!

But yeah, I've just always liked Aquaman. He's different.

What can I say? I've always supported the King. (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=25007) :tcool:

Looks pretty good, but I swear, I never knew there was so much f*cking neon on the ocean floor. :lol: "WB: We Make Overreacting To Criticism Into An Art Form." :trazz:
Well, if it means anything, there's actually a tiny sequence which explains why things look so vibrant :P

[Andrew NDB]

Mostly it's (and I actually own all the Aquaman comics up until 4 years ago) a long series of writers beginning after the 80s who have said, "I am going to use this run to FIX Aquaman in the public eye!" And every writer has a different idea of what that should be.

[Leo656]

So, like Wonder Woman, with more seahorses.

[Andrew NDB]

So, like Wonder Woman, with more seahorses.

It's more like... take the young Wonder Woman training sequences/montages and add them to Black Panther, then add some Sword in the Stone stuff at the end and that's pretty much Aquaman.

[Leo656]

I was specifically referring to your description of the Aquaman comics, mate. :)

I mean, HOW many writers since the 80s have done some variation of "Who Is Wonder Woman?" as their Big Story? Your description of the Aquaman books reminds me a lot of that.

[Andrew NDB]

I mean, HOW many writers since the 80s have done some variation of "Who Is Wonder Woman?" as their Big Story?

Oh god, how true. Or to delve a little further, "Who is Donna Troy?" has been even more unendingly annoying to me.

At a certain point it's like, f***, if she hasn't figured that out by now then how the f*** are we supposed to?

[Leo656]

Totally agree. It really gives the impression to outsiders or casual fans that a character is "broken" if most of the stories are about someone trying to "fix" them.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Saw it yesterday.

It was really well done but overall pretty average to me. Loved Amber Heard and I thought Jason Momoa's performance was better than in Justice League. For what the movie was trying to be it was fine but it was probably about as entertaining as an Ant Man movie. I may like Wonder Woman more than this but definitely the second best DCEU film for me. Definitely the most consistent of their films, so far.

It's a shame that they didn't do much with Black Manta. He didn't really serve much purpose in the film.

[Xav]

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[Andrew NDB]

Again, it just bothers me somewhat that they had to go so big with this. When they try and top it in part 2, what... will there be a giant battle underwater AND aboveground, with troops and stuff?

Obviously the sequel will have Aquaman teaming with his brother against Black Manta.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Again, it just bothers me somewhat that they had to go so big with this. When they try and top it in part 2, what... will there be a giant battle underwater AND aboveground, with troops and stuff?

Obviously the sequel will have Aquaman teaming with his brother against Black Manta.

I wondered the same thing. That was like "Dark Knight Rises" trilogy-ending levels of final battle in the very first Aquaman movie. Where do you go from there? :tlol:

[Cure]

You raise the stakes by making them smaller. One can easily write a much more personal story of Black Manta going after Aquaman and his family, doing some messed up things along the way to get at him. It's not hard to imagine.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

You raise the stakes by making them smaller. One can easily write a much more personal story of Black Manta going after Aquaman and his family, doing some messed up things along the way to get at him. It's not hard to imagine.

Yes, but given how each of the DCEU movies has shied away from that sort of story-telling, I'm not sure I trust them to do a smaller-scale, personal vendetta type story.

The last CBMs I can think of that did that are Civil War and The Dark Knight.

[ranger_scout]

The film wasn't as good as Wonder Woman, but I was having a good time from start to finish. The underwater scenes looked exceptional even though I wasn't seeing the film in 3D. The story was also consistent and I did like both the heroes and villains. Unlike Justice League, Jason Momoa was given the chance to do so much more and show a good amount of personality. My dad and brother, who both saw it with me, enjoyed it as well, but they thought it was a little too long.

It was strange but cool to hear Mary Poppins, Maria Von Trapp, and Queen Lilian's voice coming out of the Karathen. Julie Andrews did a superb job.

[AT-Man]

Yes, but given how each of the DCEU movies has shied away from that sort of story-telling, I'm not sure I trust them to do a smaller-scale, personal vendetta type story.

The last CBMs I can think of that did that are Civil War and The Dark Knight.

China wants spectacles, and spectacles they shall get.

[Andrew NDB]

Yes, but given how each of the DCEU movies has shied away from that sort of story-telling

Yeah. Consider Man of Steel => BvS => JL. There was certainly no "slowing down" going on.

[oldmanwinters]

I had very low expectations for this one, but I had a ticket voucher, saw it, and I liked it! Glad I paid a little extra to see in IMAX, as it was well worth it as a visual marvel. I was more invested in the plot and characters than I expected. I never thought I would be excited to see Aquaman earn his iconic costume, but this movie made it incredible.

Also, it was nice to see Amber Heard featured in her iconic Mera costume for the majority of the movie. Very nice, indeed.

[MikeandRaph87]

This quote caught my attention.

"It’ll also be the leggiest comic book superhero movie since Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles back in 1990 ($135 million from a $25m launch). Yes, the Christmas season provided a considerable advantage, but it’s still pretty damn leggy for a big-scale Christmas release. Not to get too hyperbolic, but it is possible that it could swim past Deadpool 2’s $318m (or $324m if you count in Once Up A Deadpool) by the end to become 2018’s fifth-biggest gross."


https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2019/01/06/aquaman-box-office-1-billion-james-wan-dc-films-james-cameron-jason-momoa-amber-heard/amp/

[oldmanwinters]

This quote caught my attention.

"It’ll also be the leggiest comic book superhero movie since Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles back in 1990 ($135 million from a $25m launch). Yes, the Christmas season provided a considerable advantage, but it’s still pretty damn leggy for a big-scale Christmas release. Not to get too hyperbolic, but it is possible that it could swim past Deadpool 2’s $318m (or $324m if you count in Once Up A Deadpool) by the end to become 2018’s fifth-biggest gross."


https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2019/01/06/aquaman-box-office-1-billion-james-wan-dc-films-james-cameron-jason-momoa-amber-heard/amp/

I didn't quite comprehend that out of context. Made me think of:
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[Krutch]

Looks like Aquaman is lined up to be #1 at the box office for the 4th week running, which in turn should make it crack that sweet Billion dollar benchmark worldwide.

So proud of Fishman!

[Redeemer]

Looks like Aquaman is lined up to be #1 at the box office for the 4th week running, which in turn should make it crack that sweet Billion dollar benchmark worldwide.

So proud of Fishman!

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Thats really good news for DC. They are slowly getting there crap together with their movies. I hope they continue to do this well.

I hope they realize that they should just stand alone movies and I hope they eventually do a Batman Beyond solo movie.

[Autbot_Benz]

Aqua-Dude_Bro hit $1.02 billion on Saturday

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/box-office-milestone-aquaman-joins-billion-dollar-club-1175681?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=THR%20Box%20Office_now_2019-01-13%2008:41:11_pmcclintock&utm_term=hollywoodreporter_boxoffice

[Krutch]

Hail to the King, baby.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

For me, Aquaman was a FUN movie. I loved that Except for the Steppenwolf line, it was totally stand-alone. I loved the Topo playing the drums, and all of the different Atlantean tribes were incredible. Mamoa might not look like a traditional Aquaman, but he does a wonderful job of making the character his own!

It's like I said before; If Shazam is a hit, I think the DCEU will focus on Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and Shazam going forward, and they will be the core of the Justice league if they made a sequel. Batman and Superman will simply not be part of the DCEU going forward, but will instead be in movies set in their own universes, like the new Joker film is.

[Leo656]

https://screenrant.com/aquaman-test-screening-changes-black-manta-humor/

Spoiler: WB's biggest take-away from test screenings was, "Make him like Tony Stark, and We need more pee jokes." Why am I not shocked? :lol:

I'm glad that the final movie apparently turned out really good, and wasn't as tonally imbalanced as it could have been, had they gone their usual route and overreacted to the feedback. Didn't get a chance to see it in theaters, sadly, but stuff comes out on Blu-ray lightning fast nowadays, so I'll get to see it soon enough.

[Krutch]

“Daly said Wan worked with Snyder to make sure the character was consistent with what the original Justice League director planned as opposed to Joss Whedon's more misogynist version of the character.”

Huh?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

“Daly said Wan worked with Snyder to make sure the character was consistent with what the original Justice League director planned as opposed to Joss Whedon's more misogynist version of the character.”

Huh?

He admired Wonder Woman's legs. Can't have that, nope. :tlol:

[Krutch]

Aquaman, under the lasso of truth:
“You're gorgeous, and fierce... and strong. I know we went to war with the Amazons, but that was before my time.”

My god. What. A. Pig.

[Andrew NDB]

It's like I said before; If Shazam is a hit, I think the DCEU will focus on Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and Shazam going forward, and they will be the core of the Justice league if they made a sequel. Batman and Superman will simply not be part of the DCEU going forward, but will instead be in movies set in their own universes, like the new Joker film is.

There won't be a movie called "Justice League" anytime in literally the foreseeable future. As in 5-10 years. There just won't be. Even if they team up superheroes in a team, it will be called something else.

[Krutch]

Aquaman v Wonder Woman

Honestly, i'd love to see it. I generally hate heroes fighting each other (because they almost always reach the same outcome) but imagine a full scale Atlantean vs Amazon war on the big screen. Would be rockin'.

Though I wouldn't be surprised if they did a Flash/Aquaman teamup ala Time & Tide, either.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Aquaman, under the lasso of truth:
“You're gorgeous, and fierce... and strong. I know we went to war with the Amazons, but that was before my time.”

My god. What. A. Pig.

I know, right? That misogynistic @sshole.

[ToTheNines]

There won't be a movie called "Justice League" anytime in literally the foreseeable future. As in 5-10 years. There just won't be. Even if they team up superheroes in a team, it will be called something else.

Damn, Andrew called his shot with one. We don’t have a movie yet, but they’re currently the Justice Gang haha

[Andrew NDB]

Damn, Andrew called his shot with one. We don’t have a movie yet, but they’re currently the Justice Gang haha

Gunn has 0 interest in doing a full-on Justice League movie and probably WB wouldn't let him if he even wanted to at this point, and he wouldn't. And can you imagine? He'd probably cherry pick the "best" (in his mind) moments from what he likes from this or that. So we'd get Nathan Fillion as Guy Gardner putting his bare butt on a glass in front of Batman, for sure, and Batman knocking him out, blah blah blah. Then the Justice League Europe Blue Beetle and Booster Gold mull stuff over.

We know what he likes.