What do you think the plot will be for the second 80's crossover?

[CyberCubed]

So we know from a Rob Paulsen tweet there will be a second 80's crossover episode, this time around with Shredder, Bebop and Rocksteady appearing. What should be the plot?

I think they'll definitely have both sets of Bebop/Rocksteady meet. Too much comic potential to see Nick's Bebop/Rocksteady interacting with their 80's counterparts. I don't think Nick's Shredder will meet 80's Shredder though, simply due to how different they are and how serious the Nick Shredder is.

I suspect Krang will want revenge for his failure in the previous episode and bring Shredder/Bebop/Rocksteady with him (and hopefully some Foot Soldiers too?), to get back at the Turtles. Hopefully Kevin Michael Richadrson can imitate James Avery as best he can, or sound like the other Shredder VA replacements from the show.

[Coola Yagami]

So we know from a Rob Paulsen tweet there will be a second 80's crossover episode, this time around with Shredder, Bebop and Rocksteady appearing. What should be the plot?

I think they'll definitely have both sets of Bebop/Rocksteady meet. Too much comic potential to see Nick's Bebop/Rocksteady interacting with their 80's counterparts. I don't think Nick's Shredder will meet 80's Shredder though, simply due to how different they are and how serious the Nick Shredder is.

I suspect Krang will want revenge for his failure in the previous episode and bring Shredder/Bebop/Rocksteady with him (and hopefully some Foot Soldiers too?), to get back at the Turtles. Hopefully Kevin Michael Richadrson can imitate James Avery as best he can, or sound like the other Shredder VA replacements from the show.

I do hope the Bebops and Rocksteadys meet. So far the crossovers have focused mostly on the Turtles and Shredder. Due to the situations in the crossovers, the Aprils, Splinters, Caseys and so forth have never gotten to meet up.

[CyberCubed]

Seeing Nick's Russian Rocksteady say, "I am the Rocksteady!" and 80's Rocksteady say, "Hey, pal, you're nothing more than a cheap knock off!"

Nick's Bebop will be like, "Oh snap, son! Where you get those shades, homie? They be dope!" and 80's Bebop will be like, "Gee, I got these from my Mommy when I was a little boy!"

On another note, its pretty funny how 80's Bebop never spoke in slang while Nick's Bebop uses all those words.

[FlawedCoil82]

Id like to see them somehow bring in the 4kids turtles as well, even though I believe that is unlikely.

[Coola Yagami]

Seeing Nick's Russian Rocksteady say, "I am the Rocksteady!" and 80's Rocksteady say, "Hey, pal, you're nothing more than a cheap knock off!"

Nick's Bebop will be like, "Oh snap, son! Where you get those shades, homie? They be dope!" and 80's Bebop will be like, "Gee, I got these from my Mommy when I was a little boy!"

On another note, its pretty funny how 80's Bebop never spoke in slang while Nick's Bebop uses all those words.

.......because all black people have to speak in slang right....?

[CyberCubed]

.......because all black people have to speak in slang right....?

Well both Nick's Rocksteady/Bebop are stereotypes. Rocksteady speaks in the usual thick Russian accent with stuff like, "Da," and "Its good, yes?" while Nick's Bebop spouts lines like, "Homie, dawg, son, oh snap," etc.

80's Rocksteady/Bebop were dumb, but they never had any real stereotypes to them beyond that.

[TurtleGuy]

Id like to see them somehow bring in the 4kids turtles as well, even though I believe that is unlikely.

I do, too. But I think union laws and whatnot are preventing this from happening. They could hire sound-a-likes like Turtles Forever did, but the creators are probably thinking "what would be the point of having the 2003 turtles if we can't get the original cast?".

[Foombamaroom]

.......because all black people have to speak in slang right....?

I get that the whole Forum always jumps on Cubed, but that dialogue isn't so far off given what we've heard the Nick Bebop, who basically is a walking stereotype as Cubed pointed out, say in the past episodes.

[Coola Yagami]

I get that the whole Forum always jumps on Cubed, but that dialogue isn't so far off given what we've heard the Nick Bebop, who basically is a walking stereotype, say in the past episodes.

No I mean, he was implying 80's Bebop wasn't talking 'black' enough..... I'm actually glad classic Bebop is one of the few non-racial stereotypes. Sure he falls into the 'dumb uneducated thug' stereotype from cartoons, but race was never a part of it since Rocksteady was just as dumb.

[Powder]

I don't think CC was implying that at all. The irony comes from Bebop being an 80's street thug/punk with a generic vocal palette, while his clean cut millennial counterpart is the one using slang from that era/scene.

[victory_angel]

All we know so far according to that script post from Rob is that the episode is going to have the OT TMNT, 87 Shredder, 87 Bebop, 87 Rocksteady, Krang, 2012 Donnie, 2012 Mikey, Captain Ryan, and Evil Captain Ryan.

This either means the other guys would be recording at a different session time, or this will be an episode that doesn't feature Nick Leo or Nick Raph.

These aren't always usual but there have been episodes that don't feature all the Turtles or at best only get one line then their gone the rest of the episode or cameo appearance. I can't think of any OT episodes off the top of my head, but there were episodes in the 2k3 that didn't feature all four turtles.


Since this recent episode connected to the ending of wormquake. We know from Donatello's line at the end that they believe that the worm must be from Shredder and Kraang. And then they encounter Tiger Claw.

The Captain Ryan thing sounds like it's a dream episode, or it has a flash back sequence back at least to some off screen moment of Season 1. Or before that when Leo was a Space Hero's fan boy (as in when the show was on the air).

Or the OT Turtles arrive at the lair and there is a moment where one of the OT are reading Leo's comic books.

The other plausibility (which is a lame one) is that Shreddder and Krang bring Captain Ryan to life and then make an evil clone or brain wash him to turn him evil.

[neatoman]

Hopefully, the episode is just about the turtles jumping through a bunch of crazy dimensions (as implied with the inclusion of Space Heroes characters) and the Fred Wolf characters are just given a cameo.

[CyberCubed]

Hopefully, the episode is just about the turtles jumping through a bunch of crazy dimensions (as implied with the inclusion of Space Heroes characters) and the Fred Wolf characters are just given a cameo.

They wouldn't bother calling back all the old Fred Wolf voices back to the studio again at a later date if it was nothing more than a brief cameo. Not to mention since we know Shredder, Bebop and Rocksteady are in it this time, it definitely going to be an all episode thing.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

They wouldn't bother calling back all the old Fred Wolf voices back to the studio again at a later date if it was nothing more than a brief cameo. Not to mention since we know Shredder, Bebop and Rocksteady are in it this time, it definitely going to be an all episode thing.

Transdimensional turtles focused on krang and kraang subprime. Im guessing this new one will focus on the nick shredder and OT shredder. I would love to see how they would interact. Nick shredder would initially ally himself with his 80s counterpart to honour his family name but after seeing his relative incompetence and humourous jokes, the nick shredder will bertray the OT shredder who is forced to fight alongside the turtles.

Theory Sounds a bit like TF, but im sure Nick will add their own twist to it.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Im sure though that this second crossover will be connected to the cameo in wormquake. Transdimensional turtles showed what happened before wormquake, while this crossover I believe will showcase what happened in the fight between tiger claw and the OT, somehow causing a chain reaction of events that would lead to this second crossover.

[Ninjinister]

Just good for thought, Ryan might not be in that episode. It could so be that Bloom was only available that day so he was added to the schedule.

I mean it's certainly possible... But it isn't necessarily confirmation.

[Jephael]

I'm kinda thinking the modern day Leonardo and Raphael will be offworld or something, dealing with whatever havoc Mark Hammil's character is causing during the main storyarc, so only Donatello and Michelangelo will be available to aid the '87 TMNT.

[Wildcat]

Why couldn't Nick Shredder meet OT Shredder? So what if Nick's is more serious. 4kids Shredder was really serious too and he met OT Shredder.

[CyberCubed]

Why couldn't Nick Shredder meet OT Shredder? So what if Nick's is more serious. 4kids Shredder was really serious too and he met OT Shredder.

Because there would be no place for it to go. The two sets of Bebop/Rocksteady meeting would provide humorous moments, but since Nick's Shredder is all serious and has no real personality most of the time, it would be hard seeing him interact with 80's Shredder.

[victory_angel]

but since Nick's Shredder is all serious and has no real personality most of the time, it would be hard seeing him interact with 80's Shredder.

Also the Nick shredder is crazy beyond all reason. He is willing to put an entire city heck the entire planet at risk to destroy the one person who is his greatest enemy. That is almost as crazy as ch'rell wanting to destroy the prime turtles even though that meant destroying his existance as well.

Where as ot shredder wants to take over all of earth and control it the way he wanted.

[ABrown]

I think that it'll be another plot that pretends that the 4Kids series, as well as the events from Turtles Forever, never even existed.

[kelligrafie]

All we know so far according to that script post from Rob is that the episode is going to have the OT TMNT, 87 Shredder, 87 Bebop, 87 Rocksteady, Krang, 2012 Donnie, 2012 Mikey, Captain Ryan, and Evil Captain Ryan.

This either means the other guys would be recording at a different session time, or this will be an episode that doesn't feature Nick Leo or Nick Raph.

I don't see that happening. Even with episodes that are centred very heavily on a particular turtle, they always, to my memory, have all four turtles within the episode (in the Nick series I mean). Even if they just have a line or are on screen for a few seconds.

I am so curious as to how the Captain Ryan/Evil Captain Ryan thing will play out.

The little cartoons within the show always mirror what happens in the episode so I wonder if there will be an 80's TV show equivalent to Space Heroes?

What popular TV series in the late 80's/easrly 90's do you think Nick would rip off, if that were the question?

It could well be that 2012 Leonardo is watching Space Heroes as a re-run and that it originally aired in the 80's Turtles' era? :)

[Refractive Reflections]

Wait, another OT crossover...?

Why am I not surprised...
So is this finally going to be the last crossover/appearance of the 80s Turtles, or is there another expected down the line for this series?

...Won't be surprised if there might be another near the finale, considering how far the series/franchise has milked the nostalgia.

[sdp]

I don't know what the plot will be but I think it will continue from the Wormquake ending. I hope it's a fun story and that these crossovers don't become "cheap".

[MikeandRaph87]

Can I see a link to the confirmation of a follow up which will include Shredder, Bebop, and Rocksteady? Casey Jones, Rat King, Splinter so much could be done. Just don't make fun of them with the stupid fight choreography that was not how it was done and NIck knows it. Also, the turtles wore trenchcoat and mask they did not run into a pizzeria. Turtles forever and Nick matched on that. That needs to be avoided next round.

[Wildcat]

Because there would be no place for it to go. The two sets of Bebop/Rocksteady meeting would provide humorous moments, but since Nick's Shredder is all serious and has no real personality most of the time, it would be hard seeing him interact with 80's Shredder.That still does not explain why they couldn't meet. 4kids Shredder was just as serious. He didn't care if he died in the wipe out in Turtles Forever as pointed out already.

We could have assumed 4kids and OT Shredder would go no place either but it worked fine.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Just pure speculation for fun at this point, but I'll give a shot at guessing the plot of the whole episode which I think will be a 2 parter in Early season 5:

1. The turtles are relaxing in their lair after having had intense fights in the previous episodes and having recently prevented the foot from ruling the city as they attempted alot of times such as during the city of war arc. They are briefly watching Space Heroes again, with the plot showcasing Captain Ryan being overthrown by his evil counterpart, foreshadowing how the 80's shredder will be overthrown by the 2k12 shredder.

2. Suddenly however, they witness the technodrome of the classic series suddenly emerging into their universe and it starts to immediately wreak havoc upon their universe. They initially do not recognize the battle fortress and they attempt to stop it, but they are vastly overpowered by the robotic foot soldiers and stone warriors that litter the streets. They see Krang among them however, and recognize him from TransDimensional Turtles.

3. Knowing that the 80's turtles can help them defeat their dimensional counterpart, Donatello uses his portal tech to transport all 4 turtles, April and Casey into the 80's universe, where they see the OT turtles and Casey fighting Bebop, Rocksteady, Shredder and some foot soldiers. They join in the fight and are able to overpower the villains with ease, rescuing OT April in the process and having some funny moments with both turtle teams making comments about the alternate versions of the villains and April/Casey.

4. Shredder, Bebop and Rocksteady then escape through Krang's portal as they always do, and the current turtles tell their counterparts about the huge battle fortress that is wreaking havoc in the city. Recognizing it as their technodrome, the OT turtles and Casey and April immediately offer to help our team in their universe after explaining how Krang wanted to vengefully conquer the 2k12 universe after his humiliating defeat in TT.

5. Both Turtle teams, the Aprils and the Caseys make their way into the 2k12 universe and make a plan with Splinter to infiltrate the technodrome and put an end to the massive destruction being caused by it.

6. Meanwhile, the Nick Shredder is still in his hideout and is alarmed by the news of the 80's technodrome wreaking havoc in the city. His concern however, is diminished when Tiger Claw reports to him about recognizing the OT turtles and the battle fortress. We enter into a flashback showcasing Tiger claw defeating the OT turtles in combat and using Donatello's Dimensioniser to make way through dimensions, including Dimension X where he encounters the 80's villians' fortress. This makes Shredder consider the possibility of allying himself with his Dimensional Counterpart in order to have successful control of the city this time.

7. We then switch to a scene of both Turtle teams attempting to infiltrate the technodrome while the Aprils, the Caseys and Splinter fight the foot and rock soldier patrols. They both however, are stopped by the team of current villanous mutants. A fight ensues where both teams get into a very hectic action sequence.

8. Meanwhile, the current Shredder, Bebop and Rocksteady fight their way past the foot soldiers in the technodrome where they encounter their 80's dimensional counterparts in addition to Krang, who is not very trusting of the current villains. Shredder however, after a brief moment of hostility, agrees to work with his dimensional counterpart and the two agree to conquer the city together, while Bebop and Rocksteady counterparts have some comical interaction scenes.

9. At the same time, both Turtle teams have defeated the current crew of villanous mutants while the Aprils and Caseys end up being trapped and held hostage in New York City. They both have a look of horror in their faces however as the technodrome starts to attack them and city is still largely in control of the Shredders. Both the current and the classic Turtles are distressed about the city being conquered as well as their friends being held hostage as told to them by Splinter, who escaped capture. They head to the 80's universe, where they agree to make a plan to get rid of the technodrome once and for all.

End of Part 1, I'll write down my theories of part 2 soon. Leave your thoughts please :) Do you think the plot will be close to what I have speculated? Do you think I am right or wrong by predicting that the upcoming crossover is a two parter?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Part 2:

1. We start with a scene of both Turtle teams and Splinter in the 80's lair. The Donatello's try to come up with a plan to get rid of the technodrome while the rest of the turtle teams are still stressed out by the loss of their friends. Also, both Splinter's meet each other. The Splinters then gives their sons words of wisdom, reminding them that they have saved the city on many previous occasions. This fills up both Turtle teams with enthusiasm, and they head off with Splinter to finish what the Shredder had started.

2. Meanwhile, both Shredder's have complete control over the city as the Aprils and the Caseys and the are bought to them by Krang and the rock soldiers. Shredder mocks the good guys for his loss and tells him that he will kill them after he lures both turtle teams to him and gets rid of them, finally getting his ultimate revenge.

3. At the same time, both Turtle teams make their way into the completely invaded New York City and and hear the current Shredder making a series of the threats to kill the Aprils and Caseys if the turtles don't meet him. After realizing that the current Shredder is also involved in the invasion, Both turtle teams agree to infiltrate the technodrome and confront the Shredders while the senseis would go behind the scenes and rescue the Aprils and the Caseys.

4. The Turtles fight through waves of foot soldiers and stone warriors, eventually reaching the Shredders, Bebops, Rocksteadys and Krang. Shredder threatens to kill their friends held hostage, but unknown to him, the Splinters is secretly freeing them while the Turtle teams stall the villains. After the Caseys are freed, a huge fight breaks out. The two turtle teams, the Aprils, the Caseys and Splinters fight the Shredders, Bebops, Rocksteadys, possibly other mutants like Tiger Claw and Razhar.

5. While all of this is going on, Krang send the technodrome into the mirage universe, in order to complete his plan of wiping out the all turtles versions. Once all of the characters are in the Mirage universe, our heroes realize what the villains are trying to do and the turtles make their way out of the technodrome while their allies distract the villains long enough for them to escape.

6. Both Turtle teams eventually meet the Mirage team, whom the Donatello's recognize from Trans-Dimensional Turtles. A brief fight ensues, but both turtle teams eventually explain how all of their realities are in danger from the Shredders. All 3 Turtle teams then are confronted by the technodrome, which begins to wreak havoc and has the turtle's cornered with no way out.

6. Shortly after, the Aprils, Caseys and Splinter make their way out of the technodrome. The villains start to fire at the Mirage turtles, whose injuries cause the rest of the characters to experience pain in a fashion similar to the last scene to Turtles Forever. Now knowing that all of their fates are connected, our heroes beg the the villains to stop. The villains stop attacking, agreeing not to destroy the mirage turtles since it would not be worth sacrificing themselves at the same time. However, the Nick Shredder uses this oppotunity to defeat all of the other villains and take complete control of the technodrome. This comes as a shock to Tiger Claw in particular, who reacts to Shredder's intentions the same way as he did in Annihilation Earth.

7. The current Shredder's insanity makes him disregard the lives of everybody and he uses the technodrome's firepower to try and kill everyone else. However, our heroes sneak into the technodrome while the Mirage turtles try and distract the Shredder. Here, the Splinters, Leonardos, Raphaels and Michealangalos confront the current Shredder, and they have their showdown. Meanwhile, the Donatellos, Aprils and Caseys make their way into the technodrome's control room, where they reconfigure the technodrome's trans-dimensional portal, causing it to suck itself and everyone inside into Dimension X.

8. With the technodrome now no longer in the mirage universe, Shredder is far outnumbered by the turtles, aprils, caseys, splinters, 80s villains, Bebop, Rocksteady and even Tiger claw who have turned against him. He makes one last ditch effort to kill 2k12 Splinter, but fails as he is easily captured and restrained while the 80's villains make their iconic escape once again. The turtles trap Nick Shredder in Dimension X and they deem him too dangerous to stay on Earth. All of Shredder's henchmen, such as Tiger Claw, Bebop and Rocksteady, reform from being villains as they realize what a monster their boss was all along and they enter a truce with our heroes.

9. We then switch to a scene of our heroes having fun in the 80's Dimension, having pizza, surfing and doing all the good stuff. They wonder whether to pay their mirage counterparts a visit and agree. Meanwhile, we see a glimpse of Kraang subprime sneaking around in the mirage world, before being suddenly confronted by the mirage turtles, ending the episode.

[Cryomancer]

Because there would be no place for it to go. The two sets of Bebop/Rocksteady meeting would provide humorous moments, but since Nick's Shredder is all serious and has no real personality most of the time, it would be hard seeing him interact with 80's Shredder.

Here, off the top of my head like 20 seconds after reading this...2012 sees FW Shredder and finds him to be some kind of mockery / impostor and wants to kill him. FW Shredder is forced for ~reasons~ to demand help from the turtles, who don't want to do it but do it anyway because "it's the right thing to do" or whatever. At some point he attempts to stab them in the back (metaphorically).

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Here are my predictions for all the characters set to play a major role in the upcoming episode.

87, 2k12 and mirage:
1. Leo
2. Raph
3. Don
4. Mikey

87 and 2k12:
1. Splinter
2. Shredder
3. Bebop
4. Rocksteady
5. April
6. Casey

Only one version:
1. Krang
2. Tiger Claw