Anyone else been ROYALLY disappointed with Season 4 thus far?

[Foombamaroom]

I can't stand Season 4. The space-arc has been nothing but filler, there's been no character progression, and most of the characters seem so damn annoying. None of the Turtles seem remotely sad about Splinter being gone unless it's directly brought up. There's just so many disappointments due to missed opportunities for arcs.

Also, Casey is the most godawful thing to ever happen to this show.

[TMNachoT]

I have been royally disappointed since season 1

[BabyTurtles]

I've been disappointed since season 3...

[Splinter the boss]

There is no reason for them to be too sad. The turtles have gone back in time to prevent the horror from happening. They still miss him though.

[CyberCubed]

This thread should be locked, do you guys never get bored of complaining over and over?

[T-U-R-T-L-E POWA!]

No I think this season has been awesome.

[snake]

I lowered my expectations after season 2. Season 1 is a work of art and a totally different show. Theres ocassionally cool moments but they seem awkward with total tone shifts in the show. It has an identity crisis imo

[Powder]

I wouldn't say "royally" by any means because I've really liked a lot of it. But it is my least favorite season thus far, & at the very least, Mona Lisa & all these new forced catch phrases (That's so metal! I'm awesome! etc) haven't sat well with me at all. I think they've made some excellent choices with respect to new characters (Wyrm & Bellybomb for example, wonderful surprises, done well with great designs), some of the themes have been very interesting, Fugitoid is a great addition, but the overall tone keeps throwing me off. It changes so sporadically. Given the intensity of their present circumstances, it's a bit too wild & free, I feel. Taking Casey down a notch & having had simply one Mona appearance would have helped a lot.

[ToTheNines]

This thread should be locked, do you guys never get bored of complaining over and over?

You sure don't.

[drgon78]

I have been loving the season so far. Season 1 is the weakest one for me.

[Tarris Vaal]

I'm not disappointed with the season. It does have issues that I'm not fond of, but the animation has been spectacular, the music has been very good and most of the characterizations have been fine if not good (especially among the main cast)

I will say I'm disappointed with the villains - none of them have come close to Shredder or the Foot for me at least.

I also find myself increasingly thinking that Casey should have been left behind somehow when the Earth blew up (which I know sounds harsh - but he would at least have gone out a hero). It feels a lot like the writers dont know what to do with him because he isn't needed as the 'human connection' (April) or the lone wolf (Raph), or the mechanic (Don). In every way he's kinda 'surplus to requirements' and its starting to show.

My only major gripe - as always - is that the plots are too compressed and too much is compromised to squeeze everything into the shows timeframe.

[ToTheNines]

Season 1 is the weakest one for me.

You've lost your mind.

[Cure]

Not royally, no. It hasn't been the best so far, but it's not enough of a drop for me to be disappointed.

[Rukitron]

I like it more than the last season where they wasted too much time on the farm with a bunch of B-Movie Horror plots. I mean it was okay in small doses, but it felt like they just wanted a bunch of those for a Halloween DVD to sell.

[CyberCubed]

I bet when Season 5 begins and the Turtles go on what seems to be an Asia and European tour you guys will complain again. We already know Dracula is appearing next season, so I bet you guys won't like that either.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I bet when Season 5 begins and the Turtles go on what seems to be an Asia and European tour you guys will complain again. We already know Dracula is appearing next season, so I bet you guys won't like that either.

Dracula in Ninja Turtles? That only belongs in one of those weird one-off Mirage stories nobody remembers...

Complaining about a Dracula episode seems perfectly logical to me.

[Rukitron]

I bet when Season 5 begins and the Turtles go on what seems to be an Asia and European tour you guys will complain again. We already know Dracula is appearing next season, so I bet you guys won't like that either.

Wasn't that the lost season of FW TMNT? I really need to watch those eps.

[CyberCubed]

Vampires have appeared in the Mirage comics so I don't see the difference.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Vampires have appeared in the Mirage comics so I don't see the difference.

Unless it's the counting vampire from Sesame Street, I refuse to be content.

[Technogeek29]

Disappointed? No not as much as I was season 3 I cherry picked season 3 a lot While I binge watch the first two seasons. Part of the problem was that season 3 wrapped its plots too quickly or not at all which is starting to become a problem in season 4 but its kept a good balance (so far). Casey is starting to bug me and wish he was used sparingly like in the OT, Mirage and 2K3 I always get excited to see him in those versions. He was obnoxious in those versions as well but he wasn't around that often to where I could get tired of him. I've spoken on Mikey in this show in general so I'm not touching this one.

My brothers biggest complaint is Raph this season or in general Nick Raph. He's his favorite Turtle but he's said several times that this version of the character seems more whiny than most Raphael's and after last Sunday I'm starting to agree.

[Ninjinister]

It's still better than any other cartoon on right now.

Good lord there's a lot of crap.

[Powder]

I bet when Season 5 begins and the Turtles go on what seems to be an Asia and European tour you guys will complain again. We already know Dracula is appearing next season, so I bet you guys won't like that either.

I hope he's voiced by Gilbert Gottfried. If John Dimaggio can do two different villains, so can he. :tsmile:

[sdp]

This show was never particularly great, it was just overhyped as being amazing. I'm not saying the show is bad either but its just kind of "good enough" and while I haven't seen much past the first few episodes of S3 from what I've seen it looks to be the same quality as it was when it first started, the question is if you liked it or not when it started.

I bet when Season 5 begins and the Turtles go on what seems to be an Asia and European tour you guys will complain again. We already know Dracula is appearing next season, so I bet you guys won't like that either.

Vampires have appeared in the Mirage comics so I don't see the difference.

Dracula? Ugh.

Having vampires is one thing (not a fan but workable) however to have Dracula that's just silly, he's too much of a fictional icon to take seriously and its like having Santa Claus appear.

An European or Asian tour would be great however.

[Powder]

Dracula & other famous monsters (as well as creatures inspired by them) have appeared in various different incarnations. The OT, Archie, TMNT Magazine, The Next Mutation, Mirage, it goes on & on. There is a precedence for it, at least.

[CyberCubed]

The writers love horror movies and creatures, so its no surprise. Almost every kind of monster or horror movie creature has appeared on the show already in some form.

[Prototype]

I like the space arc better than the farmhouse ordeal.

[Foombamaroom]

It's just that this show pays way too much homage to other things, and it doesn't really have its own identity anymore

Season 1 was fantastic, Season 2, in my opinion, is equally as good (The bad's bad, but the good's REALLY good.).

3 was absolute trash, and 4... I used to really enjoy watching this show. Now I just watch the episodes when I've got nothing better to do.


And Cubed, the thread's asking for opinions because I want to hear people's thoughts. Don't like it, don't comment on it. You're not obligated to comment on every thread here.

[Commenter 42]

I slowly lost interest after the season premier, but got excited all over again for the x-over.

It, kind of sucked, retreading so much of TF. Maybe I juts had high expectations, I don't know.
Last two eps were boring af.

They need to end the space arc; could have been cool, but, not on this budget.

[Powder]

If I'm not mistaken, this coming weekend will be the last episode of the arc.

[JH24]

I hate to say it, but I can't shake the feeling of disappointment either.

It just feels...Well, it feels unsatisfying. It feels they're only scratching the surface. They put in several action-packed episodes, but it still feels...empty somehow. It feels as if this series, at the moment, doesn't have its own identity. It feels rushed, going through the motions. The writers keep making those strange choices regarding character behavior (or abuse). Not to mention, having villains that turn out to be very shallow like Armaggon or Dregg, despite both having so much potential.

My main gripe is that this whole "Earth being destroyed and going back in time to stop it" plot feels so grand, so ridiculous in a sense, that it just doesn't fit into this kind of series. The way it's executed feels so out-of-place that I can't feel emotionally invested for some reason. It just feels like a plot twist to make the series more "cool," but that exactly isn't what this series needed. And if you're going all out with this concept, it probably would have worked better as a full season. So you have more room for establishing new environments, character development and internal struggles, interactions between characters, plot twists, exploring new worlds, etc. I don't always like to think fondly about Fast Forward, but they did dedicate an entire season to the future story arc.



To be honest, the farmhouse arc was even worse. But I do have to admit that both the farmhouse arc and space arc at least had a few gems of episodes for me personally. "Foot to big" (comedy, fun) "Speed Demon" (Donatello/Casey development) "Chimaera" (April/Leo development) "Vision Quest" (character development) Space Arc had episodes like "Wyrm" (comedy) "Arena of Carnage," "Transdimensonal Turtles," "Revenge of Triceratons."


But still I can't seem to understand why I kind of dislike the more action-packed episodes in this season. I guess in a way because it feels cliché, the story feels thin and superficial, the episodes do what's expected storywise, wrapping it into a layer of action scenes to cover it up.

The worst thing for me is that I want to love this series again. When I see scenes like the turtles meeting their sensei again in "Transdimensional Turtles," an emotional Leo struggling for words when talking to Splinter, the turtles saying goodbye to Splinter and later to their counterparts, etc. When I see the episode where a mutated Karai wanted to meet the turtles one last time to say goodbye, Karai thanking Leo for the first time in the series and falling into the vat of mutagen, Slash on a rampage and brutally attacking Raph and his brothers, Karai's vendetta, Donatello feeling responsible for Timothy and wanting to save Mutagen Man.

Or for example Leo desperately trying to save Karai and make her a part of his family, the first desperate battle against Shredder, Splinter's struggle about his identity and against the Rat King, Donatello feeling conflicted about himself being a mutant, or even a freak, and his feelings/insecurity towards April, Leo struggling about the concept of mercy as a ninja in season 1, Donatello and Casey's interactions before and after they defeated Speed Demon, Leo and April struggling together to overcome their limits and handicaps in the farmhouse arc, all those moments remind me how awesome this series can be.

This series thrives on character development and interactions, it thrives on the turtles and Splinter acting as a family, and how their family grows and changes with the inclusion of April and Casey, yet the writers often choose to put it aside for mutants, aliens and time-travel. And that's a shame.


As for Casey. At the moment he's one of the worst characters in the series. Obnoxious, arrogant, always spouting one-liners like "awesome, this is so metal, etc," poking at things, ruining stuff for the others by charging in, being a klutz, and the last episode added something new as well. Just being plain mean. (And I mean his behavior towards Donatello. Sometimes Donatello deserves a bit of payback from Casey if he's getting snarky, but in this case Donatello was actually trying to make some conversation before being shoved and later laughed at despite his condition)


And that's what I dislike about Casey. His character has so much potential but the writers keep bouncing his character all over the place. In one episode he's likeable, in the other a loudmouth and a klutz, then he's obnoxious and full of himself, then an episode where he finds everything awesome, and then one where he comes across as a bully. I really hope the writers can look at this character one day, and make him more consistent (and mature) across the board. They seem to be doing it for Mikey (without him losing his goofy side) so why not Casey?

[CyberCubed]

I'm kinda confused what people are complaining about? The space arc has moved at a good pace, given us both plot episodes and fun fillers, new interesting villains, and also allows different locations since we're in space and alien planets and not in NYC all the time.

Yeah the Mona Lisa shipping is awful and Casey feels out of place, but I don't know what else. The fact that the space arc was 13 episodes and it breezed by said a lot. Even with these rerun breaks I'm surprised its over already.

[Turtle-X]

i really like this season. i was getting a bit tired of the Kraang showing up over and over. this is a nice change.

[Eiko]

I'm really enjoying this season :):):)

[Vicky82]

It's been ok but I haven't enjoyed the space arc that much because I'm not into Space SCFI and Time Travel. The Space arc has started to drag for me because it's lasted 14 episodes and the breaks too.

I can't wait for them to be back in New York and just focus on Shredder, Karai ect but I have a feeling that wont be for a while yet because it looks like we going on hiatus after Earth's Last Stand because of the movie.

[VaughnMichael]

While I'm not a fan of every episode, I've enjoyed a majority of the series so far and this one is a welcome change of pace.
I'm loving all the aliens and new characters.

[myconius]

i find this season incredibly dull.

there have been a few good episodes here and there, but for the most part it's just not all that entertaining.

most of the attempts at humor feel SO forced- "that's SO metal!"

a lot of the environments look pretty "blah"

the Triceritons are under-utilized.

and add in Raphael completely head over heals for a boring lizard character.
zero chemistry between the two of them.

yeah, i'm not digging much of this season at all.

Fugitoid as well as the cross-over episode were some of the few parts of this season i actually enjoyed.

[BabyTurtles]

It's still better than any other cartoon on right now.

Good lord there's a lot of crap.

I actually like Miraculous LadyBug more....It's also CGI but the city feels so much more full and colorful and the characters look very appealing. Though the show can be kinda repetitive (with it's same problem over and over again)
....but since I enjoy the characters more than TMNT right now it beats it :D

course I'm a sucker for superhero stuff (and they have cool superhero ideas) XD and magical girls....so...

also I heard Star Wars Rebels is pretty awesome (I still need to watch)

[snake]

It's still better than any other cartoon on right now.

What is Star Wars Rebels?

[ToTheNines]

What is Star Wars Rebels?

Alex Trebek is a tool.

[snake]

Alex Trebek is a tool.

You gave away an answer numbnuts

[ToTheNines]

http://i.imgur.com/ZTbhq3e.jpg

[CyberCubed]

You people don't know what you want.

You complain about too many mutant episodes in NY. Then you complain about too many Kraang episodes. Then you complain about the Northampton arc. Then you complain about the space arc. Next you'll be complaining about Season 5's traveling arc.

You people don't know what you want.

[ToTheNines]

Are you like... attempting poetry or something?

[Vicky82]

You people don't know what you want.

You complain about too many mutant episodes in NY. Then you complain about too many Kraang episodes. Then you complain about the Northampton arc. Then you complain about the space arc. Next you'll be complaining about Season 5's traveling arc.

You people don't know what you want.

I haven't complained about any of those things apart from the space arc.

[TMNTInsighter]

So far I've yet to see anyone complain about the Fugitoid.

[GoldMutant]

You people don't know what you want.

You complain about too many mutant episodes in NY. Then you complain about too many Kraang episodes. Then you complain about the Northampton arc. Then you complain about the space arc. Next you'll be complaining about Season 5's traveling arc.

You people don't know what you want.

Oh I'm sorry, guess people can't be entitled to share their thoughts? :roll: Congrats for generalizing yet again for your own tastes Cubed.

In all honesty, the space arc isn't disappointing as I found Northampton more irritating to sit through because I'm not as fascinated with horror compared to sci-fi. I will say though that it's just dragging as the villains are not that engaging and it's not sitting well. Leo and Fugitoid are doing perfectly fine as the latter is a good character and Leo's struggles with Splinter's "demise" are heartwrenching. The rest of the cast just isn't working, specifically Raph's stupid romance, Casey continuously flip flopping, Don's lack of focus, etc. Add in rather unengaging characters despite their popularity and somewhat rushed plots and it's frustrating.

Arena of Carnage and Transdimensional Turtles are examples of really good stories when handled properly. The rest just seem to be missing something; even with fantastic settings, there's something not in it for me.

[JH24]

So far I've yet to see anyone complain about the Fugitoid.

Fugitoid is one of the few characters I have no complaints about at all. I find him entertaining and interesting. I also like how he has chemistry with Donatello.

[ABrown]

So far I've yet to see anyone complain about the Fugitoid.

Fugitoid is one of the few characters I have no complaints about at all. I find him entertaining and interesting. I also like how he has chemistry with Donatello.

He's hilarious. This version of the Fugitoid is the only thing that's made this season watchable.

To answer the question, I'd honestly have to say no. I haven't really been disappointed. Can't really be disappointed when you're expectations are down the toilet.

[CyberCubed]

What are you even complaining about?

[Ninjinister]

I actually like Miraculous LadyBug more....It's also CGI but the city feels so much more full and colorful and the characters look very appealing. Though the show can be kinda repetitive (with it's same problem over and over again)
....but since I enjoy the characters more than TMNT right now it beats it :D

course I'm a sucker for superhero stuff (and they have cool superhero ideas) XD and magical girls....so...


I had forgotten that Ladybug had actually started, so I will asterisk my statement to amend that it's the best thing I've seen

What is Star Wars Rebels?

Absolutely boring.

[ABrown]

What is Star Wars Rebels?

Absolutely boring.

Ok. I'll admit, the character episodes in the middle of the second season were a little on the boring side. But the two part season premiere (Seige of Lothal) and the two part season finale (Twilight of the Apprentice) blow away anything that they've done in Nick's TMNT series. SW Rebels is at least an ACTION cartoon. Whereas Nick's TMNT is just a piece of garbage that pretends that it's anywhere near as good as the original TMNT cartoon was.

Alex Trebek is a tool.

Every time I watch that life insurance commercial for seniors that he's the spokesperson for, I crack up thinking of the Saturday Night Live skits with Will Ferrell as Trebek. Classic.

[TurtleTitan97]

Whereas Nick's TMNT is just a piece of garbage that pretends that it's anywhere near as good as the original TMNT cartoon was.


You mean the same cartoon where the Turtles barely used their weapons, had no story arcs or major character development, and Shredder and his goon squad weren't even all that intimidating, amongst other things??

Look, I appreciate the OT for its place in TMNT history, but this is like comparing the Batman of the Silver Age to the modern version. Out of all three cartoons, it's definitely the weakest interpretation.

[neatoman]

Look, I appreciate the OT for its place in TMNT history, but this is like comparing the Batman of the Silver Age to the modern version.

I would say it's a more accurate analogy is a comparison of Super Friends to Brave and the Bold.

A boring and sloppy cartoon that is still remembered by a lot of people, compared to a fun cartoon that kind of lacks depth.
And let's face it, like Brave and the Bold, probably not going to be talked about much after it ends.:ohwell:

[Aaronardo]

Absolutely boring.

Have you seen Season 2? Just out of curiosity. I, too, thought Season 1 was incredibly boring, but imo Season 2 did great things for the show left and right on just about every front. (Seriously, this show has some of the smartest writing I've seen in an action series since Avatar).

As for the question, YES. I thought the Northampton arc in Season 3 was near unbearable, but at least that arc didn't have all the fun in the Turtles, April, and Casey sucked out of them.

The writing, for one, has gotten incredibly jerky and awkward. Many times there have been scenes where something to do with exposition gets addressed, which is fine. We don't want something that needs to be addressed not get addressed, right? The problem is, it's done in such an incredibly forced way almost every time. One example that jumps at me is at the beginning of Transdimensional Turtles (the only episode of this season I've felt like rewatching besides The Arena of Carnage so far), where, in a scene that completely slows down the flow of the episode, even if for a couple seconds, Raph awkwardly tries to work into the conversation why they even need all four black hole pieces. It was something that needed addressing, really, but it almost feels like they had a full episode, but decided to add that extra little bit in there in a random location.

Sounds like a small complaint, but it happens so often in this season so far it kills me.

The writing on the characters has gotten pretty bad, too. I'm going to use Raph as my example, here. I realize he's gotten the short end of the stick pretty much the entirety of the show, but it sticks out like a short thumb now that they're sort of trying. Raph's arc this season (yeah, a character other than Leo gets an ARC in this show. Crazy, right?!) is his romance with Mona Lisa. This romance is pretty terribly written (partly due to how awkward it is), but besides that, it shows Raph's soft side. A good idea in theory, to be sure. But if this Raph would just, even once in awhile, just kick some a$$, like, y'know, the character of Raphael, it would make the character interesting.

It's incredible, you know? They're actually trying to make this character interesting, but forgot the part where they're supposed play up his damn personality. The last time I saw Raph kick any a$$ (other than last week's episode, which was kind of a cop-out and felt extremely annoying, since he had to suffer through an entire episode of not being able to fight and only fighting in the end because "Awww Mona loves him." Writers, this is what you're SUPPOSED to do with Raphael, just not like this), was, I believe, Vision Quest. One, that was a whole season ago. And two, every Turtle kicked a$$ in that episode, and honestly, Raph seemed kinda like a fizzle in comparison.

They act like anyone watching this show would know Raph's temper from previous episodes, but it doesn't show in previous episodes (unless you want to go ALL THE WAY BACK to Season 1). They act like they're being so clever with the jokes towards Raph, and yet they forgot the first half of their joke.

And that's just ONE CHARACTER. That could be applied to every existing character. Hell, I feel they even screwed up Dregg and sort of screwed up Armaggon. I mean, I could go on and on, but this post is already way too long. Basically, my point is, Season 4 of this show feels like the final nail in the coffin of what had the potential to be a truly great show at one time.

[snake]

I'd take rebels over post S2 turtles anyday. Doesn't mean I don't enjoy turtles, but Rebels is taken much more seriously (most of the time).

[CyberCubed]

The writing, for one, has gotten incredibly jerky and awkward. Many times there have been scenes where something to do with exposition gets addressed, which is fine. We don't want something that needs to be addressed not get addressed, right? The problem is, it's done in such an incredibly forced way almost every time. One example that jumps at me is at the beginning of Transdimensional Turtles (the only episode of this season I've felt like rewatching besides The Arena of Carnage so far), where, in a scene that completely slows down the flow of the episode, even if for a couple seconds, Raph awkwardly tries to work into the conversation why they even need all four black hole pieces. It was something that needed addressing, really, but it almost feels like they had a full episode, but decided to add that extra little bit in there in a random location.

How has the writing gotten awkward? Literally every episode of the space arc follows proper structure and storytelling. I don't care for the Mona Lisa shipping, but even that didn't majorly affect more than one episode.




And that's just ONE CHARACTER. That could be applied to every existing character. Hell, I feel they even screwed up Dregg and sort of screwed up Armaggon. I mean, I could go on and on, but this post is already way too long. Basically, my point is, Season 4 of this show feels like the final nail in the coffin of what had the potential to be a truly great show at one time.

LOL, what? How did they screw up Dregg or Armaggon? Both have been interesting and entertaining villains. I'm baffled what it is you're complaining about. Armaggon is a bounty hunter and Dregg is an alien (or robot?) that wants revenge on the Turtles and does a good job at doing that.

[Ninjinister]

Words

I gave it my three tries I give every show when it started. If it can't hook me in 3 episodes, I have better things to do.

It doesn't help that I find 90% of Star Wars boring anyway.

[Aaronardo]

I gave it my three tries I give every show when it started. If it can't hook me in 3 episodes, I have better things to do.

It doesn't help that I find 90% of Star Wars boring anyway.

Ah, fair enough.

How has the writing gotten awkward? Literally every episode of the space arc follows proper structure and storytelling. I don't care for the Mona Lisa shipping, but even that didn't majorly affect more than one episode.

Well, seeing as how I went into a paragraph or two on exactly how the writing has gotten awkward, "How has the writing gotten awkward?" is a pretty ignorant question to ask. Also, I never said the structure was awkward, just the writing in general. I even went through examples and everything, man. Come on. It's no wonder you seem to be ignorant to everyone's arguments. You don't even bother to read them.

LOL, what? How did they screw up Dregg or Armaggon? Both have been interesting and entertaining villains. I'm baffled what it is you're complaining about. Armaggon is a bounty hunter and Dregg is an alien (or robot?) that wants revenge on the Turtles and does a good job at doing that.

There's a difference between "interesting ideas" and "interesting executions." Simply put, Dregg just isn't a menacing villain, his motive is paper-thin, and there really just isn't much to his character outside of "he's evil and he wants revenge on the Turtles." Armaggon, while handled a lot better than Dregg (and most new characters on the show recently), doesn't really have much going for him outside his debut episode. Notice how he was basically reduced to a Tiger Claw level of "Not doing a goddamn thing" last episode? Might just be me, but I think those are pretty lazy wastes of overall potentially great characters.

[CyberCubed]

Well, seeing as how I went into a paragraph or two on exactly how the writing has gotten awkward, "How has the writing gotten awkward?" is a pretty ignorant question to ask. Also, I never said the structure was awkward, just the writing in general. I even went through examples and everything, man. Come on. It's no wonder you seem to be ignorant to everyone's arguments. You don't even bother to read them.

Not really, most of your post was about Raph/Mona Lisa. I understand not liking that, but if you're talking about the plots of the actual episodes, what happens in them, etc...what is it you're complaining about? Most of the space arc episodes are also quite varied from one another too.

There's a difference between "interesting ideas" and "interesting executions." Simply put, Dregg just isn't a menacing villain, his motive is paper-thin, and there really just isn't much to his character outside of "he's evil and he wants revenge on the Turtles."

He's shown to be the head of an insect race that holds siege on other planets (like the salamander world), and his grudge against the Turtles which started off simple evolved into something much more when they kept ruining his plans.

Armaggon, while handled a lot better than Dregg (and most new characters on the show recently), doesn't really have much going for him outside his debut episode. Notice how he was basically reduced to a Tiger Claw level of "Not doing a goddamn thing" last episode? Might just be me, but I think those are pretty lazy wastes of overall potentially great characters.

He's basically a bounty hunter. The writers didn't adapt the time travel element Armaggon had from the Archie comics, so there's not much else they can do with him. He has a good personality and fun design (swimming as a shark in space), so I'm not sure what else they could do with him.

[ABrown]

You mean the same cartoon where the Turtles barely used their weapons, had no story arcs or major character development, and Shredder and his goon squad weren't even all that intimidating, amongst other things??

And yet here we are, a community that still loves discussing the show nearly 20 years since its final episode aired. Seems to me that they did something right, something that Nickelodeon desperately wishes that they could duplicate.

[TurtleTitan97]

Seems to me that they did something right, something that Nickelodeon desperately wishes that they could duplicate.

Pretty sure there some people on here who would disagree with that, but whateves.

[Ninturtle]

And yet here we are, a community that still loves discussing the show nearly 20 years since its final episode aired. Seems to me that they did something right, something that Nickelodeon desperately wishes that they could duplicate.

It's one of the most popular cartoons during the 80s, people onky talk about it because they're blinded by nostalgia. Most hard core fans recognize that it's not that good even if they srill enjoy it because of the nostalgic memories they have.

[Ninjinister]

And yet here we are, a community that still loves discussing the show nearly 20 years since its final episode aired. Seems to me that they did something right, something that Nickelodeon desperately wishes that they could duplicate.

How would anybody be able to know that until 20 years after this series airs...?

[Papenbrook]

I have been ROYALLY disappointed with season four as of late.

From episode to episode, the story arc is constantly changing its tone. As a result, it feels inconsistent and often convoluted. It's so frustrating for me, because the arc is supposed to take up half the season. If it were up to me, the space arc would have been written out entirely.

That's how disappointed I am.

[Autbot_Benz]

I love Season 4 because they got David Tennant to be fugitoid and Ron Perlman to be armaggon. two of my all time favorite actors. The Space Arc is a nice change up from the always being on earth fighting shredder and the random mutants of New York.

[CyberCubed]

I really think its about time this thread was locked.

[Fishface]

The reasons I don't like Season 4 so far is that there is very little plot other than the fact that they re trying to get the pieces of the bhg (stands for Black Hole Generator) but there is so little progress with all these random fillers and the, taking several episodes just to get one of three pieces! And then the Triceratons take it away and it just feels like that all the progress has been wasted! I reckon they should have had a Battle Nexus Tornament for 4 episodes instead of episodes like The Weird World of Wrym, The Journey to the Centre of Mikey's Mind, The Cosmic Ocean and The Evil of Dregg! Those episodes just felt pointless! Another disappointing thing is that the relationship of Mona Lisa and Raphael just seems rushed! I don't hate it but it really seems like they are just doing it to please the fan girls! They really need to work on it a bit better! It would have been better if Dregg was in more episodes and did more evil, then he would be a powerful villain but he just seems to generic at this stage! Armaggon is okay as he is Lord Dregg's Right Hand Man but also a powerful fighter! I wonder if he will meet Shredder? Fugitoid is actually a character I enjoy and Mikey has not been as annoying as he was in Season 1 and 2! There are things I like about the space ark but they have to go back to New York soon! April and Casey have just been annoying in this season! Casey needs to go back to fighting Hun! Also Splinter needs to be back and fighting as he usually does. The other thing I don't like so far is the stories! They are just boring generic episodes now. Sure they have some good episodes like The Riddle of the Ancient Aeons, The Arena of Carnage, Tran-Dimensional Turtles and The Revenge of the Triceratons, but a lot of the episodes are not as interesting as those back in 2013 and 2014. I know it is a bit hard to create similar stories to those back in Series 1 and 2 because it is now in space and not New York but it could be a little better.

[CyberCubed]

The Cosmic Ocean was an excellent episode, what are you talking about? None of the episodes with Dregg or Armaggon are "filler" since they're the main antagonists other than the Triceratons.

The only real fillers are the ones about Wyrm, etc.

[Fishface]

The Cosmic Ocean was an excellent episode, what are you talking about? None of the episodes with Dregg or Armaggon are "filler" since they're the main antagonists other than the Triceratons.

The only real fillers are the ones about Wyrm, etc.

I don't know! I just didn't like The Cosmic Ocean. It wasn't the worst episode but it just was not my cup of tea. I know people liked it and I can understand that but I just never really enjoyed it. The Evil of Dregg felt like filler to me as it really didn't advance to the plot or anything. I wish that they could of had a big battle with Dregg, Armaggona and the Vreen soldiers to show how "evil" they were but it wasn't really a great episode. If you enjoyed the episode, great. But IMO, I just didn't enjoy it.

[CyberCubed]

You say you want unique plots, yet all these space eps have unique plots. I'm kinda confused what you're getting at? There are different things happening in every episode, and this kind of stuff can't be done back in NYC of course without the alien worlds or spaceship travel, etc.

What were we getting back in NYC? Mostly mutant of the week episodes inbetween the big Shredder episodes. So what's the difference?

[Fishface]

You say you want unique plots, yet all these space eps have unique plots. I'm kinda confused what you're getting at? There are different things happening in every episode, and this kind of stuff can't be done back in NYC of course without the alien worlds or spaceship travel, etc.

What were we getting back in NYC? Mostly mutant of the week episodes inbetween the big Shredder episodes. So what's the difference?

It is just the plots are not as interesting as they were and it's probably to do with the fact that it's in space. I don't HATE the Space arc but it could be a little better. I didn't mind Mutant of the Week but you are right. It is getting a bit old.

[Hero]

I've really enjoyed this season a lot! I am left wondering how Season 5 is going to top this.

[Powder]

It'll be better thematically right off the bat 'cause mysticism > outer space

[CyberCubed]

I'm willing to bet when Season 5 starts you'll see people saying, "Anyone disappointed with this mystical European arc?" just like they did with the space arc and northampton arc.

People don't know what they want.

[Technogeek29]

It'll be better thematically right off the bat 'cause mysticism > outer space

*high five*:lol: Nice someone else likes puns here.

[ToTheNines]

I... see no pun.

[Ninturtle]

I'm willing to bet when Season 5 starts you'll see people saying, "Anyone disappointed with this mystical European arc?" just like they did with the space arc and northampton arc.

People don't know what they want.

No one is complaining about the idea of a space arc just the execution, people want the show to be executed well.

[CyberCubed]

Aside from the Mona Lisa shipping, I've yet to see anyone provide any real reason why the space arc hasn't been executed well. People keep claiming "fillers" yet there were only like 2-3 real fillers at most, like the Wyrm ep, maybe the Bellybomb ep, etc. and they weren't bad eps at all.

[Metalwolf]

I was thinking, maybe it might have been better if they simply tied the space arc with searching for April's mom instead of time travel. That way all of those episodes would feel like they have a point instead of something that might feel like it's only set to be undone once they have all of those HoD pieces.

They come across the Utroms while searching for April's mom. They piss off the Triceraton Empire while searching for April's mom. And they have some of their (not all, since not all seem that good) zany adventures whilst searching for April's mom.

Not a time travel arc that will feel pointless once they get the final piece and possibly undo whatever transpired within the last 6 months. :ohwell:

[Vicky82]

The only Filler Episode was the WYRM episode, Journey to Mikey's mind was fillerish but still had connection to main arc.

[Technogeek29]

I... see no pun.

It's rumored that Dracula will show up next season.

[victory_angel]

I was thinking, maybe it might have been better if they simply tied the space arc with searching for April's mom instead of time travel. That way all of those episodes would feel like they have a point instead of something that might feel like it's only set to be undone once they have all of those HoD pieces.

They come across the Utroms while searching for April's mom. They piss off the Triceraton Empire while searching for April's mom. And they have some of their (not all, since not all seem that good) zany adventures whilst searching for April's mom.

Not a time travel arc that will feel pointless once they get the final piece and possibly undo whatever transpired within the last 6 months. :ohwell:

I don't feel it's pointless. I mean the Turtles are seeking out the heart of darkness pieces so they can prevent history from occurring. But we know history will have to repeat itself when all is said and done. The Turtles will lose the heart of darkness to the Triceraton's and the Triceraton's will attack earth with it. But this time, we are seeing a side that we never witnessed beforehand.


Kinda like the climactic moment of Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban. There is one side of the story the main trio witness and they think things have happened a certain way. Ending with Harry's life being saved by someone who he assumes is his father. But then Harry and Hermoine go back in time several hours and Harry realizes he had saved himself.


One point of history reoccurring is Transdimensional Turtles. The point when the Turtles return to earth in that episode is actually set during the Turtles in Time/ Tale of the Youkai episode.

In Tale of the Youkai the turtles wanted to prevent Tang Shen's death, they wanted to save Karai from being abducted by the Shredder. But the only person they could save was Splinter.

So sadly Tang Shen was meant to die and Miwa had to become an enemy for a time. If one or both of them had remained, Splinter would have had no need to journey to New York and/or acquire the Turtles. He had only traveled to New York because it was a place Tang Shen had mentioned she had wanted to see and there was nothing tying him to Japan anymore except painful memories.

But this also conveniently gets the Turtles of Present out of the present time line. While the Future Turtles arrive in New York to prevent their dimensions destruction. Future Leo has a moment where he tries to warn Splinter about the events that will occur. But is interrupted when there is a screech coming from the lab courtesy of Donatello.

[Powder]

*high five*:lol: Nice someone else likes puns here.

It's rumored that Dracula will show up next season.

I like puns as much as the next guy, probably even more, but I was definitely not making one. :tlol:

[Technogeek29]

That makes it even better.

[Zulithe]

It's had ups and downs, but I think this season was really necessary to change the pace. So once the turtles finally do get back to earth again, things will feel fresh again.

I don't think the execution of Turtles in Space has been as strong as I'd hoped... but it has given us some good new characters and villains like Wyrm and Mona.

[Diorm]

What were we getting back in NYC? Mostly mutant of the week episodes inbetween the big Shredder episodes. So what's the difference?

OMG I was so tired of that! If only there was strong human characters that never mutate that would be great. Making it more... Ninja like episodes or gangs in the streets... But that would not be kid friendly and they couldnt sell more mutant toys...
I miss the 4kids show

[Aaronardo]

Aside from the Mona Lisa shipping, I've yet to see anyone provide any real reason why the space arc hasn't been executed well. People keep claiming "fillers" yet there were only like 2-3 real fillers at most, like the Wyrm ep, maybe the Bellybomb ep, etc. and they weren't bad eps at all.

You won't listen to a single person here when they give you a real reason why the space arc hasn't been executed well. Hence why you can't think of one.

[Splinter the boss]

I haven't been disappointed with the season, just Dregg, he is not that threatening. I miss Shredder, the triceratons on the other hand are doing fine.

[ToTheNines]

I haven't been disappointed with the season, just Dregg, he is not that threatening. I miss Shredder, the triceratons on the other hand are doing fine.

Yeah, Dregg had a great design but he's been crap. I've totally hated him ever since the "go Dregg go" malarkey from last week.

[CyberCubed]

I wonder if the Dregg from last week was a robot. The one in today's episode made no mention of being mechanical or anything. Also this version of Dregg is less competent than the OT version, but does it matter? Its a different take on the character. I like him well enough

You won't listen to a single person here when they give you a real reason why the space arc hasn't been executed well. Hence why you can't think of one.

I have read all the posts, and I still don't get it. Every episode of the space arc provided something new, had well done plots, and good landscapes/enviornments because each planet was fairly different. We get spaceship battles, laser gun fights, etc. we couldn't get on Earth.

The Mona Lisa shipping was the only real bad part of this arc, other than that I have no complaints.

[BabyTurtles]

I have read all the posts, and I still don't get it. Every episode of the space arc provided something new, had well done plots, and good landscapes/enviornments because each planet was fairly different. We get spaceship battles, laser gun fights, etc. we couldn't get on Earth.

The Mona Lisa shipping was the only real bad part of this arc, other than that I have no complaints.


Well maybe some people don't feel like those plots are done well...maybe some people don't like the way some characters are being developed or portrayed...maybe some people would rather the show concentrate on a well written story than laser battles and fights....maybe just cause something is new doesn't make it better for some people....maybe people are tired of space?? XD

we all have different opinions.

It's okay not to agree......

[Powder]

Ellipsis ahoy!

[BabyTurtles]

Ellipsis ahoy!

Yup I like using them :)

[FlawedCoil82]

You people don't know what you want.

You complain about too many mutant episodes in NY. Then you complain about too many Kraang episodes. Then you complain about the Northampton arc. Then you complain about the space arc. Next you'll be complaining about Season 5's traveling arc.

You people don't know what you want.

I know exactly what I want. I want to see loveable ninja turtles fighting and testing their skills against equally talented martial artists. I have said over and over on this forum that I do not like seeing the turtles battle monsters, robots, mutants or superheroes because in all those cases, their ninja fighting skills have less impact and are not nearly as interesting to watch when the enemies can not respond back the same way. Sure, aliens have technology for ray blasters and such, but unless those rayblasters can turn the aliens into skilled ninjas then I have no interest in seeing it. I was bored when the turtles went to space in the 4Kids show, I was bored when the IDW comics sent the turtles to "Planet Neutrino" and I am bored when Nickelodeon sent the turtles to space. I simply find the turtles fighting anything less than other ninjas very boring. Episodes where they fight Shredder or Karai always seem to be the highlights because the turtles are fighting enemies that are equally on par with them and you know the fight can go either way, which makes it much more exciting to watch.

The first several episodes of Seasons 3 and 4 have both been brutal in terms to how little they match with what I know I want to see. The only positive I can give is that at least Season 4 has had a couple episodes sprinkled in that were interesting, whereas Season 3 was utterly unwatchable until "Vision Quest".

[Powder]

I simply find the turtles fighting anything less than other ninjas very boring.

There's not a whole lot of TMNT media that matches up with that. A few Mirage comics, the first film, little else. How into the property can you be when they've been fighting monsters & robots for 30 years? :trazz:

[FlawedCoil82]

There's not a whole lot of TMNT media that matches up with that. A few Mirage comics, the first film, little else. How into the property can you be when they've been fighting monsters & robots for 30 years? :trazz:

I guess I should have said "other fighters". If the enemies the turtles are fighting can actually put up a good fight with their own fighting techniques that arent necessarily the exact same martial arts (without hiding behind ray blasters, guns, being a much larger size, superpowers, ect.) then it can hold my interest more. But Shredder, Karai, Hun, Chris Bradford (pre-mutation) and The Foot (before they were robots) are most definitely the characters who give the turtles the best challenges that I enjoy watching.

[CyberCubed]

I know exactly what I want. I want to see loveable ninja turtles fighting and testing their skills against equally talented martial artists. I have said over and over on this forum that I do not like seeing the turtles battle monsters, robots, mutants or superheroes because in all those cases, their ninja fighting skills have less impact and are not nearly as interesting to watch when the enemies can not respond back the same way. Sure, aliens have technology for ray blasters and such, but unless those rayblasters can turn the aliens into skilled ninjas then I have no interest in seeing it. I was bored when the turtles went to space in the 4Kids show, I was bored when the IDW comics sent the turtles to "Planet Neutrino" and I am bored when Nickelodeon sent the turtles to space. I simply find the turtles fighting anything less than other ninjas very boring. Episodes where they fight Shredder or Karai always seem to be the highlights because the turtles are fighting enemies that are equally on par with them and you know the fight can go either way, which makes it much more exciting to watch.

The first several episodes of Seasons 3 and 4 have both been brutal in terms to how little they match with what I know I want to see. The only positive I can give is that at least Season 4 has had a couple episodes sprinkled in that were interesting, whereas Season 3 was utterly unwatchable until "Vision Quest".

That's pretty weird then. As Powder said, in every TMNT series the Turtles spent more time fighting aliens, mutants, monsters, etc. than other martial artists. Even in Mirage there aren't many Foot fights outside the big issues.

In 4kids outside the big Shredder episodes they were always fighting creatures.

[picassotheninjaturtle]

It's rumored that Dracula will show up next season.

Oh yeah, an episode titled "The Crypt of Dracula" wont have anything to do with Dracula...

[Technogeek29]

Oh yeah, an episode titled "The Crypt of Dracula" wont have anything to do with Dracula...

Thank you for telling me, Next time try to be less of an asshole about it.

[Powder]

All the 14 year olds on this forum are going through their asshole phase right now. Puberty hits like an abusive father.

[Technogeek29]

All the 14 year olds on this forum are going through their asshole phase right now. Puberty hits like an abusive father.

I just don't get it? I obviously didn't know about the episode title I'm stuck in the middle of the flippin Ocean Internet is a luxury. And with how long it takes to load up one page of this site it discourage long use.

[Ninturtle]

I just don't get it? I obviously didn't know about the episode title I'm stuck in the middle of the flippin Ocean Internet is a luxury. And with how long it takes to load up one page of this site it discourage long use.

He probably thinks being a smartass is cool and is trying to fit in.

[snake]

All the 14 year olds on this forum are going through their asshole phase right now. Puberty hits like an abusive father.

I am offended :lol:

[Powder]

You are the exception which paints a brighter future's portrait on the canvas that is this forum, young sir.

[GoldMutant]

All the 14 year olds on this forum are going through their asshole phase right now. Puberty hits like an abusive father.

Come on dude, don't single me out. :P

Hmm... I'm thinking after the space arc ends and maybe when season 4 gets close to the end, I'll write my thoughts overall because even if Nick has aspects I enjoy, they aren't as prominent lately.

[CyberCubed]

To be honest there are just as many disgruntled 25-30+ year old adults on this forum as there are young teenagers. I guess it goes to prove even being a fully grown adult people still complain about children's cartoons.

See, all you current teenagers? This is what you have to look forward to in the next 10-15 years! When you're 25-30 years old you'll be complaining about the 4th or 5th TMNT cartoon by then and discussing it with the new young gen of teens from the 2020's-2030's!

[Powder]

Yeah, life is an ever downward spiraling blitz of mental decay & emotional turmoil. But hey, comics & cartoons. Sometimes.

Joey Ramone didn't wanna grow up & neither do I!

[Lil Karai]

I'm actually really enjoying this season! For me season 1>season2>season 4>season 3. Season 3 was awful in my opinion. Season 4 has renewed my sense of enthusiasm for this show.

[Hero]

It'll be better thematically right off the bat 'cause mysticism > outer space

I'd love to see the proper 'Metal Mutants' spirit armor incorporated into the theme and Turtles look for s5. Either that or glowing tribal markings.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

Yes been a boring season tbh, the 80s cross over was awesome, but apart from that, really bad. Casey has become very annoying, he's over used and April is not far behind.

[CyberCubed]

What's wrong with the space episodes?

[2K3]

So far, the only episodes I've liked the best are: Beyond the Known Universe, The Arena of Carnage, The War of Dimension X, and Trans-Dimensional Turtles. Everything else, I found myself going... "It's okay but nothing to jaw-drop over!"

While I don’t have to much issue with Season 4 (do like the new settings and choice of voice actors; DAVID TENNANT, RON PERLMAN, KEITH DAVID, MICHAEL DORN, MICHAEL IRONSIDE AND LUCY LAWLESS… that is all) My main problems with this season so far:

1) The underdevelopment of Lord Dregg; why’s he after the Turtles? They broke his stuff… add a couple of insults his way and that’s ‘bout it. Outside of his design and abilities, there’s not much I like about the character (then again I wasn’t a big fan of the original 80s Dregg; outside of Tony Jay’s MAGNIFICENT VOICE, I didn’t feel he was as cool as Shredder and Krang)

2) Certain old characters adapted into the show seem off. Don’t get me wrong, Bellybomb and Mona Lisa looked cool, but Armaggon and Wyrm leave much to be desired (wished Armaggon looked more like his original Archie design). But the real gripe is the Neutrinos… I mean JEEZ, WHAT DID THEY DO TO “THE HOT-RODDING TEENAGERS OF DIMENSION X”!

3) Casey Jones needs to redeem his coolness factor (he’s been rather annoying); and not keep saying “That’s SOOOOOO Metal”!

4) The Chemistry between Raph and Mona feels rather forced; should have given it another episode of development before they started smooching

[ABrown]

The underdevelopment of Lord Dregg; why’s he after the Turtles? They broke his stuff… add a couple of insults his way and that’s ‘bout it.

I thought maybe it was just me, that I had missed something important early in the season. Cause that's something that I'd been wondering all season as well.

[oldmanwinters]

I LOVE the Space Arc. It's been the first time in a while that I've been motivated to buy corresponding action figures... even variants of the main characters I already own.

[CyberCubed]

I thought maybe it was just me, that I had missed something important early in the season. Cause that's something that I'd been wondering all season as well.

No, its that they constantly stop him afterward.

[ssjup81]

I've liked this season okay so far. The only eps that come to mind that I really didn't care for in a general sense was the first episode of this season and the ep with Wyrm.

[LS Animation]

The turtles belong in New York. I didn't mind them travelling to Japan or the cabin in the woods for a while but all in all the best stuff comes from them roaming New York. If they'll travel through Europe I hope the writers stick to like 8 episodes tops but not the entire season... Space arc sucks. Bad writing. It's like a bad Star Trek show but with turtles instead of Kirk and Spock :lol:

[CyberCubed]

The turtles belong in New York. I didn't mind them travelling to Japan or the cabin in the woods for a while but all in all the best stuff comes from them roaming New York. If they'll travel through Europe I hope the writers stick to like 8 episodes tops but not the entire season... Space arc sucks. Bad writing. It's like a bad Star Trek show but with turtles instead of Kirk and Spock :lol:

The space arc had a lot of great episodes, and since when do the Turtles belong in NY? They travel to space constantly in every series.

[Ninturtle]

The turtles belong in New York. I didn't mind them travelling to Japan or the cabin in the woods for a while but all in all the best stuff comes from them roaming New York. If they'll travel through Europe I hope the writers stick to like 8 episodes tops but not the entire season... Space arc sucks. Bad writing. It's like a bad Star Trek show but with turtles instead of Kirk and Spock :lol:
The turtles don't belong in New York, like CyberCubed said they travel in every servies, the problem is that the arc wasn't well written not that they were in space.

[Aaronardo]

The space arc had a lot of great episodes,

Like which ones? The only truly great episodes in the space arc were The Outlaw Armaggon, The Arena of Carnage, and Transdimensional Turtles. Literally every other episode ranged from mediocre to god-awful.

I'd really love to hear your opinion, Cubed, but you seem to be a lot more interested with "disproving" other people's opinions than backing up your own. Also important for you to remember, seeing as how it's proven to be difficult for you to understand this, the setting is not what's getting on everyone's nerves (barring a select few), it's the execution.

[Vicky82]

One of the things I did like about the Space Arc was Mikey, he was definitely more mature and had a some great moments. I hope it continues on with Mikey has more big moments this season. But I am a little worried that he could go back to his goofy/making mistakes self now that he's back in New York, Splinter is alive ect.

I'll be crossing my fingers.

[CyberCubed]

Like which ones? The only truly great episodes in the space arc were The Outlaw Armaggon, The Arena of Carnage, and Transdimensional Turtles. Literally every other episode ranged from mediocre to god-awful.

God-awful? Which ones were god-awful? Even the comedic filler eps like the Wyrm one and the one with Mikey's mind were OK at their worst if you didn't like that humor. I liked all the others:

- First ep was a decent intro ep to the space arc

- First Mona Lisa ep was great, I particularly liked the ice planet and the crush wasn't too bad or overbearing.

- Wyrm ep was a decent amusing filler

- Armaggon's debut episode was good even though that rogue computer overshined him. Nice sci-fi themed ep.

- "Riddle of the Ancient Aeons" was decent. Nothing too memorable but nothing bad either.

- Mikey's mind ep was probably the weakest ep.

- Arena of Carnage in the Triceraton arena was great

- War for Dimension X was excellent and explained the history of the Utroms and Kraang, plus Bishop was fantastic.

- The Cosmic Ocean was another great episode. Really loved this one because Dregg was at his most menacing and Armaggon was great too. Also liked the Daagon and the shrieking alien queen.

- Crossover ep with OT Turtles was great

- Revenge of the Triceratons with the gremlings was alright.

- The evil of Dregg was a bit of a weird ep, probably one of the least memorable "main eps."

- The last ep with Tokka and Dregg was pretty exciting

- The finale on Earth was good barring whatever happens to the past Turtles


So there, as you can see, I only thought there were maybe 2 weak episodes, a few average eps, and I liked the others.

[LS Animation]

Maybe your standards are simply too low? :trolleye:

[CyberCubed]

Maybe your standards are simply too low? :trolleye:

LOL, stop trolling.

[Shark_Blade]

It's an okay Season, not disappointing.

[Donatello19]

Here's my opinion. Were the space episodes awful? No, not by any means. But are they something I would watch again? Again, no.

[Vicky82]

Here's my opinion. Were the space episodes awful? No, not by any means. But are they something I would watch again? Again, no.

Every episode I watch, I always re watch them another 2 times on the same day or the next day.

I didn't enjoy the space arc that much but I will watch 1st part of season 4 probably sometime this month when I start watching from season 1 again.

[CyberCubed]

Here's my opinion. Were the space episodes awful? No, not by any means. But are they something I would watch again? Again, no.

Your loss. I would watch most of them again.

[Shiro Kame]

To be honest, I hated the first half of the space arc for the dumb filler, but the second half was actually pretty good. It did a decent amount of world building, the mid-season finale was way more decent than the last one, and it was easy to enjoy the later mid-season episodes. My only main nitpick is how all of the space villains were killed off despite only appearing for half the season. Also, the entire Triceraton population wiped out? Kinda a waste.

[ssjup81]

To be honest, I hated the first half of the space arc for the dumb filler, but the second half was actually pretty good. It did a decent amount of world building, the mid-season finale was way more decent than the last one, and it was easy to enjoy the later mid-season episodes. My only main nitpick is how all of the space villains were killed off despite only appearing for half the season. Also, the entire Triceraton population wiped out? Kinda a waste.Aside from the Wyrm ep, what other episodes were filler?

[CyberCubed]

To be honest, I hated the first half of the space arc for the dumb filler, but the second half was actually pretty good. It did a decent amount of world building, the mid-season finale was way more decent than the last one, and it was easy to enjoy the later mid-season episodes. My only main nitpick is how all of the space villains were killed off despite only appearing for half the season. Also, the entire Triceraton population wiped out? Kinda a waste.

There were literally only two filler episodes. The Wyrm ep and the one going inside Mikey's mind.

The first half of the space arc had tons of important episodes.

[victory_angel]

There were literally only two filler episodes. The Wyrm ep and the one going inside Mikey's mind.

The first half of the space arc had tons of important episodes.

Only the Wyrm episode was filler.

A filler episode is an episode that doesn't connect to the major plot in any shape or form.

The Wyrm episode was filler as Casey wished to return to the moment before he found Wyrm thus rendering the episode as "never happened".

But the Journey through Mikey's head episode wasn't really filler because it did have a connection to the plot albeit a vague connection. The episode had Turtles wanting to get the schematics for the Triceraton's mother ship so they can infiltrate it and take back the piece of the Heart of Darkness that the Triceraton's possessed.

Mikey blurts out to Belly Bomb that he knew things about the black hole generator, which peeks Belly Bombs interests and he sends the Neutrino's out to get the info from Mikey's brain.

And also at the end of the episode showed Dregg learning that the Turtles were looking for the Heart of Darkness because Belly Bomb was in conversation about with him about it which is why he starts seeking the pieces out for himself.

But I will agree with you on the fact they could have skipped this episode and had Dregg still learn about the Heart of Darkness some other way. Such as when he infiltrated that Hydrala's palace.

[ssjup81]

There were literally only two filler episodes. The Wyrm ep and the one going inside Mikey's mind.

The first half of the space arc had tons of important episodes.Actually, not really. In the Mikey's mind ep, we learned about Dregg being after the parts to the Blackhole Generator too. At the time, we didn't know why.

[Aaronardo]

So there, as you can see, I only thought there were maybe 2 weak episodes, a few average eps, and I liked the others.

Props to you. I came off a little hostile in that last post, so I have to applaud you for saying your opinion (as much as I may disagree with it) as calmly as you did in contrast to how I responded. :thumbsup:

As for the whole discussion about "filler episodes," I feel like a lot of the space arc episodes are... let me put it as "story-related for the heck of it." Journey To The Center of Mikey's Mind does connect to the overall story, but only at the very end. It's not like Revenge of the Triceratons or The Evil of Dregg, where the story directly connects to the overall premise/plot of the episode. The premise of Journey To The Center is very much... its title. The very core of the episode isn't "Uncover the secret of Dregg and why he's after the black hole pieces." It's very much "Enjoy this fun-filled romp through the comic relief's mind."

Effectively, it creates what is, at its core, a filler episode that is forced to have a connection to the story at the very end. There are many episodes that do this in the space arc, as well.

And by the way, for those who are saying Wyrm was the only filler episode, I'd argue that, as much as I enjoy the episode, Transdimensional Turtles has absolutely no connection to the overall plot at all.

[GoldMutant]

And by the way, for those who are saying Wyrm was the only filler episode, I'd argue that, as much as I enjoy the episode, Transdimensional Turtles has absolutely no connection to the overall plot at all.

Even though I agree with you a lot of the time dude, I'm going to have to slightly disagree on Transdimensional Turtles for the time being. Although it had no influence on the main story in the slightest, it did slightly affect history as Sub-Prime is now in the Mirage world, probably a trophy mounted on the wall. :P

Then again, we'd have to wait to see as he's practically a bug you can't entirely squash yet again and return. However, with the confirmation of an extra crossover and the fate of Sub-Prime in the air, it'll probably have a bit to do in terms of future stories. In terms of the space arc, it has no bearing on the plot for sure and could have been moved to later. However, in terms of Kraang stories and the second crossover, it might have more of an influence. We just have to wait and see if it will or not. (Along the way, more criticizing to boot with the season will come :P)

[shredder orokusaki]

I am very dissapointed because now Splinter is alive again GRRRR

[Autbot_Benz]

I am very dissapointed because now Splinter is alive again GRRRR

you are just upset that Splinter made you his bitch on the last episode with the pressure points of doom.

[ToTheNines]

I am very dissapointed because now Splinter is alive again GRRRR

I'm gonna poop in your helmet.

[ssjup81]

I am very dissapointed because now Splinter is alive again GRRRRActually, I'm disappointed too. I wanted him to remain dead.

[neatoman]

Actually, I'm disappointed too. I wanted him to remain dead.

Well it's not like anyone really thought that would happen.

[ssjup81]

Well it's not like anyone really thought that would happen.Yeah, I know, but it would've been shocking if it had remained that way.