Marvel's The Defenders

[TurtleTitan97]

Marvel has just announced that Douglas Petrie (Buffy/Angel) and Marco Ramirez (Daredevil) will be the showrunners for the series, while Drew Goddard returns as executive producer.

“Doug and Marco captivated our members around the world with their continuation of the story of Matt Murdock in 'Marvel’s Daredevil,' and we can’t wait to see how they and Drew will introduce the full Defenders team to our global audience,” said Cindy Holland, Netflix Vice President of Original Content.

“We're incredibly excited to be able to bring our four street level heroes together in an epic tale woven by Doug and Marco whose work on ‘Marvel’s Daredevil’ speaks for itself,” said Executive Producer/Head of Marvel Television, Jeph Loeb. "They write and produce not only great action and adventure, but also the heart and touch of humor that's makes us Marvel. With the inclusion of Drew Goddard, we've got a team that's as formidable as the Defenders themselves."

“This is the big one. Four amazing casts, four amazing series, now all in one amazing story,” said showrunners and Executive Producers Douglas Petrie and Marco Ramirez. “We are thrilled at the opportunity to deliver the show that both we and the fans have been waiting for.”

Marvel’s The Defenders will star Charlie Cox, Krysten Ritter, Mike Colter, and Finn Jones, all reprising their roles as Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, and Iron Fist, respectively.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/news/

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Woo! WOO!!!!

:tcool:

[AT-Man]

Everything's coming up Marvel!

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2014-11/28/8/campaign_images/webdr01/29-times-everything-was-coming-up-milhouse-2-22695-1417182938-15_dblbig.jpg

[NinjaPug]

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[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

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AW YEAH!!!!

But y no Iron Fist teaser? :tconfuse:

[ToTheNines]

Who is Danny Rand?

[Allio]

Iron Fisticuffs

[ToTheNines]

I think Iron Fist will be March/April, Defenders in the Summer, then JJ2 in like November.

But then what? DD3, Punisher?

[TurtleTitan97]

Sigourney Weaver will be playing the lead villain: https://www.comicbookmovie.com/defenders/sigourney-weaver-will-play-the-lead-villain-in-marvel-and-netflixs-the-a145819

[Andrew NDB]

Crazy. Any thoughts on who she is playing?

[Spike Spiegel]

Weaver's too good for the MCU.

Maybe she'll be a genderbent Mephisto?

http://www.screengeek.net/2016/06/14/rumor-mephisto-will-be-the-main-villain-of-the-defenders/

Or – according to an unnamed source close to the situation, they’ll fight a totally new baddie:

“Marvel is talking about setting Mephisto as the prime antagonist for the Defenders. Some may say that this villain wouldn’t fit the TV shows but that’s why they’re incorporating Iron Fist – to set up the supernatural element. This would also help set up the next phase of the Netflix shows, as Moon Knight, Blade, and Ghost Rider are being considered.”

[sdp]

How connected are the shows to the movies? I know the movies don't reference the shows but do the shows reference the movies?


Also I may be remembering wrong but weren't The Defenders a team that included powerhouses like The Hulk, Silver Surfer and Dr. Strange? I remember they were pretty f-cking powerful just not as known as the Avengers.

[Andrew NDB]

I actually feel more stoked about this than I did leading up to the Avengers. We've spent (and will spend more) time with these folks than we have with the others... and now they'll collide.

How connected are the shows to the movies? I know the movies don't reference the shows but do the shows reference the movies?

Not integrally... but events from the movies are occasionally mentioned in the shows. Everyone and their mom seems to mention "the incident" with the aliens in Avengers, but there's not too much about the Ultrom stuff or anything. The biggest "crossover" was when Lady Sif from Thor 1 and 2 showed up on Agents of SHIELD twice. And, of course, Samuel L. Jackson actually showing up there, too.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I actually feel more stoked about this than I did leading up to the Avengers. We've spent (and will spend more) time with these folks than we have with the others... and now they'll collide.

You and me both.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

How connected are the shows to the movies? I know the movies don't reference the shows but do the shows reference the movies?

The word on the street is that it's very hard for the MCU to have any meaningful connection with Marvel Television because Kevin Feige (the head honcho of the MCU) and Ike Perlmutter (the head honcho of Marvel TV) hate each other's guts.

[MikeandRaph87]

Sdp,there have been references.For example in Daredevil there is a clipping handing in Ben Urich's office of the Avengers battle in New York against Loki and the alien invasion. In Jessica Jones the Hulk is references when discussion over the expectation o the hero type going to show up to save the day. So little things are hidden within,but not much. I suggest checking out Youtube videos that go through the Easter eggs. I guarantee the connections will be covered in each. Just be warned about Luke Cage if you have not finished the season.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

The word on the street is that it's very hard for the MCU to have any meaningful connection with Marvel Television because Kevin Feige (the head honcho of the MCU) and Ike Perlmutter (the head honcho of Marvel TV) hate each other's guts.

And I'm okay with this. The less connected, the better I like it. Gives them more freedom to do their own thing instead of continually connecting back to Downey and Chris 1 and Chris 2.

[Spike Spiegel]

I never bothered with Agents of SHIELD, but are these shows more consistent in terms of quality than the films?

[TheSkeletonMan939]

And I'm okay with this. The less connected, the better I like it. Gives them more freedom to do their own thing instead of continually connecting back to Downey and Chris 1 and Chris 2.

Yeah. I just worry that it'll hinder us from seeing a Spidey/Kingpin encounter or something along those lines.
Agents of SHIELD is an example of how the connection is a hindrance rather than an advantage. So many episodes in season 1 are just dedicated to tying in to whatever MCU film is out at the time.

I never bothered with Agents of SHIELD, but are these shows more consistent in terms of quality than the films?

I only watched season 1, and the first half is a sluggish crawl that makes the agents seem like a bunch of facetious wieners.
The second half suddenly kicks ass though.

[sdp]

I asked because I may watch the shows soon but I'm way behind on the movies and don't plan on watching them but I remember hearing that Agents of Shield was connected heavily. Obviously big references like "hulk" I will get and the alien invasion but I didn't see anything after Iron Man 3 so almost nothing after Phase 1.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I never bothered with Agents of SHIELD, but are these shows more consistent in terms of quality than the films?

ABSOLUTELY. Dude, it's the best stuff Marvel has ever done.

Yeah. I just worry that it'll hinder us from seeing a Spidey/Kingpin encounter or something along those lines.
Agents of SHIELD is an example of how the connection is a hindrance rather than an advantage. So many episodes in season 1 are just dedicated to tying in to whatever MCU film is out at the time.

I'd rather see Spidey go up against his more outlandish enemies; seems more appropriate for the films. Besides, Kingpin's character was finally done justice on Daredevil. I'd MUCH rather see the Spiderman movies do the same for characters like Osborn, Ock, Venom, and all those other rogues.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

http://screenrant.com/doctor-strange-typhoid-mary-marvel/

Does Doctor Strange Tease Nexflix Defenders Villain?

...

Typhoid Mary would be AWESOME.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

First look at the Defenders in all their defendery glory! (Courtesy of EW)

https://ewedit.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/00111700-ew1449.jpg?w=1600&h=2133

[Andrew NDB]

I bet Luke Cage and Jessica Jones will don some kind of costumes. You know Iron Fist will.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I bet Luke Cage and Jessica Jones will don some kind of costumes. You know Iron Fist will.

I dunno... I can't see Jessica or Luke in a costume. Daredevil suited up by the end of his first season, but Jessica and Luke only had their costumes as Easter eggs and winks to the knowing audience.

[TurtleTitan97]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Luke is just gonna wear the yellow shirt since this is based off the modern incarnation of the character and not the 1970s incarnation.

[ZariusTwo]

Marvel will also be launching a new Defenders ongoing with the same roster by Brian Micheal Bendis and David Marquez

[Andrew NDB]

I dunno... I can't see Jessica or Luke in a costume. Daredevil suited up by the end of his first season, but Jessica and Luke only had their costumes as Easter eggs and winks to the knowing audience.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Luke is just gonna wear the yellow shirt since this is based off the modern incarnation of the character and not the 1970s incarnation.

Something simple for Luke. The big bracers and belt.

http://pm1.narvii.com/5779/4da981d9ecedc6fb75b04aa151ad60942c516f96_hq.jpg

And some variant of this, probably toned down and not... cosplay looking:

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2015-12/7/17/enhanced/webdr07/grid-cell-3336-1449528953-5.jpg

I also bet she'll perfect her flying ability.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Something simple for Luke. The big bracers and belt.

http://pm1.narvii.com/5779/4da981d9ecedc6fb75b04aa151ad60942c516f96_hq.jpg

And some variant of this, probably toned down and not... cosplay looking:

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2015-12/7/17/enhanced/webdr07/grid-cell-3336-1449528953-5.jpg

I also bet she'll perfect her flying ability.

I'd be okay with Luke, but Jessica's "Jewel" costume needs to be COMPLETELY rehauled. Ugh.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

More photos from the EW!

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/tv/marvel/defenders/catch-up-with-the-heroes-of-hells-kitchen-in-first-official-a148143

[ToTheNines]

And they confirmed it will be out this summer (before Punisher)... told you so, Cylons...

[MikeandRaph87]

Who are Misty Knight and Colleen Wingare?

[ToTheNines]

They just wrapped filming yesterday: http://www.cbr.com/marvel-defenders-wraps-filming/amp/

[ToTheNines]

Promo poster:

http://mcuexchange.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/a-closer-look.jpg

[ProphetofGanja]

Promo poster:

http://mcuexchange.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/a-closer-look.jpg

p cool

am I supposed to know who that is underneath/to the right of Sigourney Weaver?

[ToTheNines]

I think it's supposed to be Elekrta.

[ProphetofGanja]

Who are Misty Knight and Colleen Wingare?

Misty Knight is a character from the Luke Cage Netflix show (as well as the comics)

Colleen Wing is a character from the Iron Fist Netflix show (as well as the comics)

Together they had their own detective agency (in the comics)

[ToTheNines]

Daughters of the Dragon! Really hope they mash Luke Cage/IF season 2 into one so we can see these 4 together.

[ProphetofGanja]

Daughters of the Dragon! Really hope they mash Luke Cage/IF season 2 into one so we can see these 4 together.

Yeah for real. I feel like once all the characters come together they don't really need to keep doing individual sequel seasons. Just give us Defenders season 2, a Daughters of the Dragon season, stuff like that. If the Defenders have to take a break, do Heroes for Hire

[NinjaPug]

Looks like August 18th is the premiere date:

http://ew.com/tv/2017/04/04/netflix-defenders-premiere-date/amp/

[ToTheNines]

Yes, confirmed :)

Check out @TheDefenders's Tweet: https://twitter.com/TheDefenders/status/849290474309394432?s=09

[NinjaPug]

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[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Classy. :tcool:

[Autbot_Benz]

Man that looks good glad Sticks in it. "Get your **** together" :lol:

[Andrew NDB]

Man that looks good glad Sticks in it.

It was pretty clear he was from the last scene of Daredevil S1. "Will he be ready when the gates open?" That's clearly what's coming up in the Defenders.

[PApagreg]

God Iron Fist really wants to look cool, this is what he was doing before he Superman punch some goon

https://media.giphy.com/media/xUA7bjIXdpeiYNfxg4/giphy.gif

[ProphetofGanja]

God Iron Fist really wants to look cool, this is what he was doing before he Superman punch some goon

https://media.giphy.com/media/xUA7bjIXdpeiYNfxg4/giphy.gif

lmao thank you for that

[Candy Kappa]

haha, Iron Fist's little dance is adorable.

Shows, that maybe you should have hired a martial artist to do the role if you're not gonna give him a masked costume.

[Autbot_Benz]

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[sdp]

I can't believe the Defenders are getting a show since they were a bit obscure, it's great but at the same time I feel a bit disappointed. To me the Defenders were not B-List Avengers but even to an extent better. I mean Silver Surfer, Dr. Strange, Hulk and Namor were the team..

[Autbot_Benz]

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[MikeandRaph87]

They need costumes!

Who is the older lady in white supposed to be?

[NinjaPug]

It looks so weird having Dardevil in costume next to three people in street clothes.

I can already tell I'm going to get pissed off at the amount of time Daredevil is unmasked.

[Cure]

They used the music from the Jason Bourne trailers.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Can't wait!

[ToTheNines]

So I guess they're just hellbent on making us hate Iron Fist in the MCU:

Apparently Matt tries to convince Danny to visit Melvin Potter and get a costume but he repeatedly declines. ****.

https://mcuexchange.com/daredevil-melvin-potter-defenders/

[ProphetofGanja]

So I guess they're just hellbent on making us hate Iron Fist in the MCU:

Apparently Matt tries to convince Danny to visit Melvin Potter and get a costume but he repeatedly declines. ****.

https://mcuexchange.com/daredevil-melvin-potter-defenders/

Damn, wtf. That's too bad, although I feel like they should have addressed the secret identity-issue in S1 of Iron Fist.

Now it seems like his business is already out there for anyone to find out and there's no way he can make his identity a secret again

[ToTheNines]

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Starting to worry that I'm going to hate this...

[ToTheNines]

Real final trailer. Probably the best one yet.

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[ProphetofGanja]

I'm getting excited for this again; Iron Fist really, really killed the hype for a while.

[ToTheNines]

I'm getting excited for this again; Iron Fist really, really killed the hype for a while.

Yeah, that was definitely part of it for me. But a lot of the footage for this has disappointed too... mainly the humor. The jokes have all been pretty forced.

It also just doesn't seem very "superhero-y", if you will. No IF costume contributes to the, for sure. Plus I really want some gratuitously epic group shots. I never get tired of this:

http://media.vanityfair.com/photos/55423de6801ffcbc36b32be9/master/w_690,c_limit/avengers-primer-assemble.gif

[ToTheNines]

Just finished ep 1. Pretty much all catch-up with the 4 shows, but still enjoyable if you're a fan of them. Some scene transitions were incredibly cheesy... hopefully the rest of the episodes aren't as amateurish.

[ProphetofGanja]

Yeah, that was definitely part of it for me. But a lot of the footage for this has disappointed too... mainly the humor. The jokes have all been pretty forced.

It also just doesn't seem very "superhero-y", if you will. No IF costume contributes to the, for sure. Plus I really want some gratuitously epic group shots. I never get tired of this:


http://media.vanityfair.com/photos/55423de6801ffcbc36b32be9/master/w_690,c_limit/avengers-primer-assemble.gif

Yeah, that's the money shot right there. So freaking cool. Can't wait to get an updated version in Infinity War.

Just finished ep 1. Pretty much all catch-up with the 4 shows, but still enjoyable if you're a fan of them. Some scene transitions were incredibly cheesy... hopefully the rest of the episodes aren't as amateurish.

Oh damn it's out now huh. I guess I'll try to watch an episode or two after work today, I heard that it was at least decent on the NPR review

[ToTheNines]

Yeah, that's the money shot right there. So freaking cool. Can't wait to get an updated version in Infinity War.



Oh damn it's out now huh. I guess I'll try to watch an episode or two after work today, I heard that it was at least decent on the NPR review

Yep. It doesn't really pick up at all until episode 3 though. Boardroom fight did not disappoint.

[ToTheNines]

Jesus Christ Daniel...

http://68.media.tumblr.com/5f8f0ee3b803f46ccdd6baa8c1f87419/tumblr_n1zcxl8kJQ1tnhxydo4_250.gif

[Andrew NDB]

Has no one powered through all of this yet? What's the verdict?

[ToTheNines]

I'm done. It was quite good. The 8 episode format kept it tight after a sluggish first 2 episodes.

Action/fight choreography was not Daredevil-tier. But miles ahead of the other 3. Great use of some excellent rap songs in the big throw downs.

A couple a puzzling decisions, like mostly squandering Colleen Wing and no IF suit (ending would have been a PERFECT time to debut it), but overall a nice addition to the MCU.

[Andrew NDB]

no IF suit (ending would have been a PERFECT time to debut it)

No? I thought for sure we'd see him get it in the end.

[ToTheNines]

Just wait until you see it. They literally set it up and just didn't do it lol.

[Andrew NDB]

Don't spoil them but... is there any big "Holy sh*t!" surprises in this? Like things none of us expected?

[ToTheNines]

Yes. Definitely some decent swerves. And I literally said "Holy sh*t!" at one point. They did something from the comics I never thought would happen.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm about to start the final episode.

http://cdn-static.denofgeek.com/sites/denofgeek/files/styles/article_width/public/3/14//daredevil_7_stick_and_stone.jpg

If this guy doesn't show up, I'm calling bullsh**.

[Autbot_Benz]

Show was alright Punisher doesn't cameo. Danny just sucks he comes off as such a a whiny person.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I don't understand why the city of New York was in danger. Or why there was an earthquake.

What did I miss? Because I really, really don't buy that the city was in any danger if those you-know-whats were removed from the underground bunker. Immortal evil ninja death cult stays immortal, sure, but... why is the city in specific danger?

[ToTheNines]

I don't understand why the city of New York was in danger. Or why there was an earthquake.

What did I miss? Because I really, really don't buy that the city was in any danger if those you-know-whats were removed from the underground bunker. Immortal evil ninja death cult stays immortal, sure, but... why is the city in specific danger?

Removing the bones would have weakened the foundation and created a massive sinkhole.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Removing the bones would have weakened the foundation and created a massive sinkhole.

Okay. That's what I thought would be the case, but I don't think it was ever explicitly said. Or if it was, I missed it.

[Andrew NDB]

My review:

Saw all of "The Defenders" now. I wasn't much on board with it.

"Will he be ready when the doors open?" asked Stone to Stick in the foreboding Daredevil season 1 finale. We have been left to imagine in the couple of years since some gigantic Avengers-style battle, demon hordes (or something) pouring out of some portal with Daredevil, Jessica, Iron Fist, and Luke fighting against overwhelming odds. So what doors was Stone actually talking about? The "gate" that Iron Fist unlocked to... get some of the "substance"? AND WHERE IS STONE? Very unsatisfying on every level here on what was built up and what was actually delivered. No way what they were planning for "The Defenders" at the time of Daredevil season 1 is what we got.

And just what was delivered? It felt like the train sort of left the station and then just puttered around a bit for 8 episodes. They never quite felt like a cohesive team, The Hand didn't feel like The Hand anymore. It definitely seems like Marvel caved to all the "heat" they took about making too many Evil Asians in Daredevil season 2 and then Iron Fist that basically the whole Hand is now completely PC balanced with mostly white thugs... The Hand is supposed to be a JAPANESE CRIME SYNDICATE WITH AN ARMY OF JAPANESE NINJAS! It is OK to make them Asian. Sheesh. We literally only saw the "real" Hand ninjas in one scene, and Elektra kills them almost *immediately* off-camera, and they're never seen again. Anyway, we get a lot of "little" fights, a lot of bickering (which was actually the most fun of the show), and a highly weak climax.

I am somewhat hip to the fact that this is a Netflix TV show and not a huge budget Marvel film... but I'd hoped that the lesser episode count of Defenders would mean they'd be able to get more bang for their buck with it being stretched less thin. This always sort of felt cheap, even for Netflix Marvel. I wanted to see Luke Cage go full-on wrecking mode, I wanted to see Jessica do some crazy flying and aerial attack stuff making us go "OH! ****!" we haven't seen before and I wanted to see Iron Fist in his damn costume, possibly double iron-fisting it at one point.

I appreciate the psych out with Weaver's character, who ends up jobbing to Elektra, who basically immediately becomes the main villain for the third act. The problem then becomes, though... we don't hate Elektra. We like Elektra. The last battle, I'm not rooting to see Daredevil shishkibob her, I want to see him snap her out of things and take her out of there. "The Defenders" needed a tangible Big Bad for the end there, not just a tiny little dark set filled with The Hand: Politically Correct Version thugs. And also, I appreciate that the show didn't try and insult us into believing Daredevil is really dead at the end... but it does rob a lot of the emotion of the conclusion.

This might actually be the weakest of all of the Marvel Netflix shows/seasons so far.

Was hoping for a Punisher cameo (you know, some key moment, Daredevil is like, "I know a guy..." and then he shows up for a save) but I didn't mind that we didn't get one when it was all said and done.

[PApagreg]

My review:

Saw all of "The Defenders" now. I wasn't much on board with it.

"Will he be ready when the doors open?" asked Stone to Stick in the foreboding Daredevil season 1 finale. We have been left to imagine in the couple of years since some gigantic Avengers-style battle, demon hordes (or something) pouring out of some portal with Daredevil, Jessica, Iron Fist, and Luke fighting against overwhelming odds. So what doors was Stone actually talking about? The "gate" that Iron Fist unlocked to... get some of the "substance"? AND WHERE IS STONE? Very unsatisfying on every level here on what was built up and what was actually delivered. No way what they were planning for "The Defenders" at the time of Daredevil season 1 is what we got.

And just what was delivered? It felt like the train sort of left the station and then just puttered around a bit for 8 episodes. They never quite felt like a cohesive team, The Hand didn't feel like The Hand anymore. It definitely seems like Marvel caved to all the "heat" they took about making too many Evil Asians in Daredevil season 2 and then Iron Fist that basically the whole Hand is now completely PC balanced with mostly white thugs... The Hand is supposed to be a JAPANESE CRIME SYNDICATE WITH AN ARMY OF JAPANESE NINJAS! It is OK to make them Asian. Sheesh. We literally only saw the "real" Hand ninjas in one scene, and Elektra kills them almost *immediately* off-camera, and they're never seen again. Anyway, we get a lot of "little" fights, a lot of bickering (which was actually the most fun of the show), and a highly weak climax.

I am somewhat hip to the fact that this is a Netflix TV show and not a huge budget Marvel film... but I'd hoped that the lesser episode count of Defenders would mean they'd be able to get more bang for their buck with it being stretched less thin. This always sort of felt cheap, even for Netflix Marvel. I wanted to see Luke Cage go full-on wrecking mode, I wanted to see Jessica do some crazy flying and aerial attack stuff making us go "OH! ****!" we haven't seen before and I wanted to see Iron Fist in his damn costume, possibly double iron-fisting it at one point.

I appreciate the psych out with Weaver's character, who ends up jobbing to Elektra, who basically immediately becomes the main villain for the third act. The problem then becomes, though... we don't hate Elektra. We like Elektra. The last battle, I'm not rooting to see Daredevil shishkibob her, I want to see him snap her out of things and take her out of there. "The Defenders" needed a tangible Big Bad for the end there, not just a tiny little dark set filled with The Hand: Politically Correct Version thugs. And also, I appreciate that the show didn't try and insult us into believing Daredevil is really dead at the end... but it does rob a lot of the emotion of the conclusion.

This might actually be the weakest of all of the Marvel Netflix shows/seasons so far.

Was hoping for a Punisher cameo (you know, some key moment, Daredevil is like, "I know a guy..." and then he shows up for a save) but I didn't mind that we didn't get one.

Also, where the hell is Nobu? The big Fall of the Hand extravaganza and he's a no-show? Huh? Did he just get quietly flushed out with the bathwater on Marvel's panic about Evil Asians in their shows?

1. The leaders of the hand in this series were the founders of the Hand were five members of the Order of the Crane Mother so that explains why they are more ethically diverse

2. Nobu was decapitated

[Andrew NDB]

2. Nobu was decapitated

How could I forget that... damn... I remember him surviving Daredevil "killing" him in season 2 but completely blanked out Stick killing him right after.

[ZariusTwo]

Defenders was the least watched of all the Netflix Marvel premiers

https://www.newsarama.com/36499-defenders-is-netflix-s-least-watched-marvel-premiere.html

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Defenders was the least watched of all the Netflix Marvel premiers

https://www.newsarama.com/36499-defenders-is-netflix-s-least-watched-marvel-premiere.html

Really? Wow. That's... that's unfortunate.

[Andrew NDB]

Really? Wow. That's... that's unfortunate.

Unfortunate that they made a crappy Defenders show.

[ProphetofGanja]

Damn. I liked it a lot better than Luke Cage and Iron Fist. I guess a lot of people were burnt out by those shows though and didn't even give Defenders a shot.

[XERO]

Nah, just that Iron Fist left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths.