The Punisher - Netflix series

[NinjaPug]

It's finally official. Netflix has ordered a Punisher series after months of rumors.

http://marvel.com/news/tv/26104/netflix_orders_marvels_the_punisher_to_series?link Id=23992378

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Hope they give him his trademark skull-shirt.

[TurtleTitan97]

Well I'll be darned. They're actually going through with it after it was seemingly debunked.

Can't wait!

[JetsAndHeels]

This is great news.

Now the wait begins..

[NinjaPug]

Am I reading too much into this line at the bottom of the press release? Sounds like they are planning more series outside of the already announced Defenders.

and the other exciting new Marvel Television series coming to Netflix

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Well, there's Iron Fist and Defenders.
Plus a 2nd season of JJ was ordered, right?

[NinjaPug]

Yeah that's probably all it is. I'm just holding out hope for an Elektra spin-off. Oh well, excited we're getting this spin-off. Bernthal killed it in this role.

[plastroncafe]

I'm curious how this is going to work, given how his story arc went on Daredevil. That said, this might be the only time I have ever given a crap about the Punisher

[ZariusTwo]

Hire CM Punk to pen an episode. If his Marvel Youtube interview was any indicator, the guy is desperate to hang out with Frank

[ToTheNines]

This is good news so long as they start doing 3 of these a year. They almost have to at this point.

Also wish they'd put these damned things on blu ray...

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Also wish they'd put these damned things on blu ray...

Ditto, don't other Netflix originals have Blu-ray releases?
Daredevil would probably sell well on home media. Or maybe Netflix is trying to push the idea that "streaming is the way of the future!"

[ToTheNines]

Orange is the New Black and House of Cards get home video releases about a year after each season starts streaming. I'm sure other Netflix originals do, too.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Orange is the New Black and House of Cards get home video releases about a year after each season starts streaming. I'm sure other Netflix originals do, too.

It's been over a year since Daredevil Season 1; still no hint of a DVD release.

As excited as I am for this, it's probably the least exciting Marvel Netflix news for me. I'm much more interested in Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Jessica Jones Season 2, and The Defenders. Hope Punisher comes AFTER all that (but before Daredevil Season 3). :tlol:

[Autbot_Benz]

so excited for this I loved Bernthal's Punisher.

[Powder]

I haven't watched any of their comic book series', but this one I will definitely give a chance, assuming they do it right.

[TurtleTitan97]

Powder, you simply MUST check out Punisher in Daredevil. He's fantastic!

[MikeandRaph87]

Just give me a wrap up in Daredevil season 3. That is all I want out of all this Marvel stuff. It would be nice if multiple projects can be done simultaneously. I feel like it would be a year and a half before we MIGHT get a third season if we ever actually do with the current trend.

[ToTheNines]

Microchip casting information. Apparently might come out in 2017, so that's cool.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/punisher/rumor-casting-for-microchip-in-the-punisher-netflix-series-is-underway-a144619

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Official logo!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BLPOQ6Lgvko/

[TheSkeletonMan939]

I hope they adapt the issue where the Punisher becomes a substitute teacher for a day. That was the sh!t.

[ToTheNines]

Comic book costume. C'mon Iron Fist...

http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/jon-bernthal-filming-marvels-the-punisher-on-april-12-2017-in-new-picture-id667929136

[Autbot_Benz]

Frank Castle will start Punishing in November

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/punisher/punisher-director-says-the-netflix-series-will-debut-in-november-a151533

[ToTheNines]

Franksgiving!

[ToTheNines]

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[Autbot_Benz]

Here are the titles for the 13 episodes
S01E01 - 3 A.M.
S01E02 - Two Dead Men
S01E03 - Kandahar
S01E04 - Resupply
S01E05 - Gunner
S01E06 - The Judas Goat
S01E07 - Crosshairs
S01E08 - Cold Steel
S01E09 - Front Toward Enemy
S01E10 - Virtue of the Vicious
S01E11 - Danger Close
S01E12 - Home
S01E13 - Memento Mori

Also there is going to be another Marvel Hero showing up in Punisher some people think it might be Daredevil Danny Rand or Moon Knight

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/punisher/new-rumor-says-marvel-and-netflixs-the-punisher-will-feature-another-superhero-a153508

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Here are the titles for the 13 episodes
S01E01 - 3 A.M.
S01E02 - Two Dead Men
S01E03 - Kandahar
S01E04 - Resupply
S01E05 - Gunner
S01E06 - The Judas Goat
S01E07 - Crosshairs
S01E08 - Cold Steel
S01E09 - Front Toward Enemy
S01E10 - Virtue of the Vicious
S01E11 - Danger Close
S01E12 - Home
S01E13 - Memento Mori

Also there is going to be another Marvel Hero showing up in Punisher some people think it might be Daredevil Danny Rand or Moon Knight

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/punisher/new-rumor-says-marvel-and-netflixs-the-punisher-will-feature-another-superhero-a153508

I would be shocked if it were anyone other than Daredevil.

[Cure]

I remember those rumors from years ago that they were thinking of making Punisher, Moon Knight, and Ghost Rider shows on Netflix. They went with Punisher, clearly, but Ghost Rider was on Shield, so maybe Moon Knight can show up.

I just wish Ghost Rider wasn't a part of Shield, but only because I'm not a fan of the show. How was he on that show? ToTheNines, I know you know.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I remember those rumors from years ago that they were thinking of making Punisher, Moon Knight, and Ghost Rider shows on Netflix. They went with Punisher, clearly, but Ghost Rider was on Shield, so maybe Moon Knight can show up.

I just wish Ghost Rider wasn't a part of Shield, but only because I'm not a fan of the show. How was he on that show? ToTheNines, I know you know.

Moon Knight seems hard to pull off, especially considering that Netflix seemed unwilling to fully embrace more of the fantastical elements of Iron Fist (i.e. we barely saw Kun'lun or the dragon)...

I'd love to be wrong, though.

[Andrew NDB]

I just wish Ghost Rider wasn't a part of Shield, but only because I'm not a fan of the show. How was he on that show? ToTheNines, I know you know.

The Ghost Rider on SHIELD was a FAKE Ghost Rider. It wasn't Johnny Blaze and there was no flaming motorcycle.

In any case, he was barely a part of SHIELD and it was treated as more of an introduction to him than any kind of, "Oh, he's a part of SHIELD now." There's nothing stopping anybody from making a Ghost Rider show on TV or Netflix now, though I don't think SHIELD ratings saw the spike as a result of him they were hoping for that would need to happen for it to be a consideration.

[AquaParade]

If Moon Knight appears on Punisher, as is rumoured, I'll be there night one.

If it's Warren Ellis' "Mr. Knight" I'll squeal.

[ToTheNines]

I remember those rumors from years ago that they were thinking of making Punisher, Moon Knight, and Ghost Rider shows on Netflix. They went with Punisher, clearly, but Ghost Rider was on Shield, so maybe Moon Knight can show up.

I just wish Ghost Rider wasn't a part of Shield, but only because I'm not a fan of the show. How was he on that show? ToTheNines, I know you know.

He was awesome, I thought. I never liked Robbie Reyes in the comics, but they did a great job. Even if you're way behind on Agents of SHIELD, I'd recommend watching the first 8 episodes of season 4 on Netflix and catch his arc. Good television.

I can't really picture him showing up in Punisher. But with him and Johnny Blaze spoken for, I'd be down with them using Dan Ketch in the Netflix stuff. But that's just my wishful thinking, I grew up reading Ghost Rider volume 3.

But I feel like Punisher isn't going to get very mystical. My money's on Moon Knight.

I would be shocked if it were anyone other than Daredevil.

Would be weird, considering how Defenders ended. Doubt we see hornhead until DD season 3.

[Andrew NDB]

Would be weird, considering how Defenders ended. Doubt we see hornhead until DD season 3.

Yeah, 0 chance of Daredevil anywhere until that.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Would be weird, considering how Defenders ended. Doubt we see hornhead until DD season 3.

Yeah, 0 chance of Daredevil anywhere until that.

It doesn't speak very well for the Defenders that I'd already forgotten it ended with Matt presumed dead. :tlol:

But yeah, you're both right...

[plastroncafe]

I think that all depends on where Matt has woken up and how he got there.
It's possible, just...not probable.

[ToTheNines]

I think that all depends on where Matt has woken up and how he got there.
It's possible, just...not probable.

I'd say impossible. It's a storyline that would require so much focus on Matt. Doesn't make sense for a guest star to derail the narrative that hard.

[Autbot_Benz]

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Frank is back

[Andrew NDB]

This is going to be the best thing Marvel has ever done on Netflix.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

This is going to be the best thing Marvel has ever done on Netflix.

It's also definitely shaping up to be the darkest on-screen Frank Castle we've yet seen. Which is a very good thing.

[ToTheNines]

That gave me fuc*ing chills. One of my favorite trailers in recent memory. Can not wait!

Jesus Christ though... why are they trolling us with the ****ing release date?

[Autbot_Benz]

Finally we are getting the Punisher we have always wanted.

[AT-Man]

My. Word.


It's still coming on 2017, so the exact date doesn't matter too much at this point. Either way... SOON!

[NinjaPug]

I wonder if Netflix is just going to randomly drop this one day without any advance warning.

[plastroncafe]

I cannot adequately Express how amazing that trailer is and how effectively that Metallica song is used.

I'm just so happy right now I could spit.

Johnny got his gun indeed

[ToTheNines]

I wonder if Netflix is just going to randomly drop this one day without any advance warning.

I've seen people predicting November 10th, for Veterans Day. I think that would be really cool.

[Andrew NDB]

I've seen people predicting November 10th, for Veterans Day. I think that would be really cool.

I really think they'd steer clear of the controversy... I don't know that all veterans appreciate being honored with a series about stone cold vigilante justice and killing in the streets.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I really think they'd steer clear of the controversy... I don't know that all veterans appreciate being honored with a series about stone cold vigilante justice and killing in the streets.

I was thinking the same thing. Some vets might not appreciate a series about how the government screwed a soldier over and killed his wife and kids...

[ToTheNines]

Really? Every one I know in the Marine Corps LOVES Punisher. I see a lot of people in the service rocking the skull in some way or another.

[Andrew NDB]

And we saw how Marvel folded like a leaf in the wind after the "Oh no, evil Asians! Marvel hates Asian people!" flak they got after Daredevil season 2, making the evil Japanese ninja clan suddenly as culturally diverse as can be with no more Japanese in it in everything afterward. They aren't looking to ruffle any feathers.

[plastroncafe]

Yeah, they're not great at fixing problems they've made.

[ToTheNines]

And we saw how Marvel folded like a leaf in the wind after the "Oh no, evil Asians! Marvel hates Asian people!" flak they got after Daredevil season 2, making the evil Japanese ninja clan suddenly as culturally diverse as can be with no more Japanese in it in everything afterward. They aren't looking to ruffle any feathers.

Huh, that never showed up on my radar. But I believe it. They sucked, and the Japanese guy who was supposed to be Nobu's boss was a boring vanilla chump.

[Andrew NDB]

Huh, that never showed up on my radar. But I believe it. They sucked, and the Japanese guy who was supposed to be Nobu's boss was a boring vanilla chump.

And here it was, the big everyone vs. the evil Japanese ninja clan... and there isn't one scene with the Defenders fighting any ninjas. The ending of Daredevil S1 sold us a lie.

For shame.

Yeah, they're not great at fixing problems they've made.

They seem to be really good at creating new, real problems borne out of imaginary ones.

And it's weird.

SJWs/rabble-rousers: "Marvel is depicting too many Japanese as evil in the evil Japanese ninja clan! Marvel hates Asians and especially the Japanese!"
Marvel: "OK, we're not going to use any more Japanese."

Who really wins here? Certainly not Japanese actors. White actors, I guess? 80% of the Hand were all recast as white guys in Iron Fist and Defenders.

[Andrew NDB]

Huh, that never showed up on my radar. But I believe it.

https://thenerdsofcolor.org/2015/04/30/black-mask-yellow-peril-anti-asianism-in-netflixs-otherwise-brilliant-daredevil/

https://annahavingfun.wordpress.com/2016/04/03/daredevils-treatment-of-asian-characters-is-still-racist/comment-page-1/

https://culturewarreporters.com/2016/04/08/stereotypes-tokenism-daredevil-riverdale/

http://watercoolerconvos.com/2016/04/06/dear-marvel-asian-people-are-more-than-ninjas/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Daredevil/comments/34fsvg/racist_asian_stereotypes_in_otherwise_brilliant/

https://www.dailydot.com/parsec/daredevil-season-2-plot-hole-ninjas/

https://www.reddit.com/r/asianamerican/comments/4b8t1t/daredevil_is_a_racist_show/

[Candy Kappa]

and there isn't one scene with the Defenders fighting any ninjas..

My biggest gripe with Defenders, none of The Hand was wearing typical ninja garbs that's iconic for The Hand.

But I guess it can be chalked down to only Nobu's division was dogi wearers 4unlyfe since the MCU Hand was bigger and wide spread then "just" a ninja clan

[plastroncafe]

They seem to be really good at creating new, real problems borne out of imaginary ones.


This is where we disagree.
The issue on the table is a real issue, but rather than add more they've taken away.

[Andrew NDB]

But I guess it can be chalked down to only Nobu's division was dogi wearers 4unlyfe since the MCU Hand was bigger and wide spread then "just" a ninja clan

But I bet that was an idea they manufactured after the Daredevil S2 flak. There was no hint of that beforehand.

And now...

"Has the Punisher Gone Too Far?" (http://taskandpurpose.com/new-punisher-trailer-take-frank-castles-mission-one-step-far/)

This is where we disagree.
The issue on the table is a real issue, but rather than add more they've taken away.

That's the real crime resulting out of it. But the original "issue"? Just because Daredevil is regularly fighting an evil, straight-up Japanese ninja clan and they're all bad guys (they're an evil Japanese ninja clan, what on earth did anyone expect?), this idea that it is then the show's responsibility and duty to make sure and find some way to include some good Asian guys to force a balance is outright absurd. I mean, I would hope some Asian character or characters would eventually show up on the show that aren't evil at some point but I'd want it to be organic to whatever the writers are up to, and if at any point it wouldn't be organic then hey, that's fine, don't worry about it. If it's literally, "Uh oh... we've reached our SJW-limit of evil Japanese... call the writers, we need like 2 or 3 good ones next episode, stat!" then that's plain dumb.

[Autbot_Benz]

Punisher Panel for NYCC Pulled because of Las Vegas Tragedy

http://comicbook.com/marvel/2017/10/04/punisher-pulled-new-york-comic-con-netflix-canceled-las-vegas/

[ToTheNines]

Seems weird. I would understand if it took place in Vegas, or had some other blatant connection. Whatever they feel is right, though.

[Andrew NDB]

Punisher Panel for NYCC Pulled because of Las Vegas Tragedy

http://comicbook.com/marvel/2017/10/04/punisher-pulled-new-york-comic-con-netflix-canceled-las-vegas/

Oh come on, Marvel... like a leaf in the wind, every time. Watch there be reports of "reshoots" and "a delay" now.

[plastroncafe]

I will laugh so hard if that happens.

In fact, I kind of need that to happen now.
Maybe if we're lucky they'll pull in E.T and change all of the guns to radios.

[Autbot_Benz]

Punisher might be delayed till Mid November or December for Viewing because of the Vegas thing

http://www.darkhorizons.com/netflix-may-delay-punisher-series-launch/

[NinjaPug]

We finally have a release date - November 17th

[Autbot_Benz]

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[Andrew NDB]

"It’s basically not in the Marvel Universe."

https://gameup24.wordpress.com/2017/11/16/the-punishers-wasted-opportunity-its-basically-not-in-the-marvel-universe/

[Autbot_Benz]

6 Episodes in and this is my second favorite Marvel Netflix show besides the Daredevil Seasons. I don't find this show slow at all I like how its a character breakdown of Frank and how War Affects people differently.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Haven't gotten around to starting this yet... need to finish my rewatch of Stranger Things first.

[plastroncafe]

Haven't gotten around to starting this yet... need to finish my rewatch of Stranger Things first.

https://media.giphy.com/media/klP58NxO5Llm/giphy.gif
I'll be watching the final two episodes of ST tonight, and with hope starting on Punisher over the Turkey Day holiday.

(Unless I can get my family to watch season 1 of Stranger Things.)

[Candy Kappa]

On episode 7 and I'm liking it very much so far. Only complaint is the lack of a skull suit, that's no bueno.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

On episode 7 and I'm liking it very much so far. Only complaint is the lack of a skull suit, that's no bueno.

If there's one thing Marvel Netflix refuses to give us, it's costumes. :tlol:

[Shark_Blade]

Finished this yesterday. Whew what a ride. Love the ending. Gimme 2nd Season now.

Can't believe the bad guy was once the pretty boy Prince Caspian from Chronicles of Narnia. :tlol:

[Andrew NDB]

Loving it so far. So much better quality production and writing than "The Defenders."

I do wish they'd include more nods to the greater MCU (I hate to say it, but in a world where there's been a full-scale alien invasion 3 years ago, the worldwide Ultron evil robots killing people thing, giant hellicarriers flying around and Hydra infiltrating massive levels of government and military... is 9/11 and Afghanistan really all that's worth talking about now?) but it's pretty damn good. Only 4 episodes left.

[Autbot_Benz]

That Episode 11 Fight

https://i.imgur.com/9aUQZBI.gif

[Autbot_Benz]

Just finished Punisher Netflix. Its the best Punisher to date. Not for the faint of heart it gets really bloody. Jon Bernthal owns the role as Frank/Punisher

[Andrew NDB]

Jon Bernthal owns the role as Frank/Punisher

Absolutely owns it. There is no comparison to any Punisher before him.

I finished it last night. Amazing.

Sidenote: there is no way this takes place after "The Defenders," right? Karen doesn't seem particularly distraught about Daredevil/her boyfriend being dead. She doesn't even mention him.

[Autbot_Benz]

Absolutely owns it. There is no comparison to any Punisher before him.

I finished it last night. Amazing.

Sidenote: there is no way this takes place after "The Defenders," right? Karen doesn't seem particularly distraught about Daredevil/her boyfriend being dead. She doesn't even mention him.

ya I think so. I like the set up for Jigsaw. I know Netflix will do him justice unlike that ****** Punisher War Zone movie

[ProphetofGanja]

Finally started this show, got distracted by the first season of The Great British Baking Show

[Shark_Blade]

Finally started this show, got distracted by the first season of The Great British Baking Show

Good choice. Enjoy :D

[ProphetofGanja]

Good choice. Enjoy :D

On episode 10 now, enjoying it a lot so far

I'm surprised by the amount of comedy in the show, I like it. It's not a lot but it's pretty good writing

In the past, I would have wished that the series had more connections or at least references to the wider events of the MCU, but I've come to terms with the fact that the movies are on one level, the Netflix shows on another, and the ABC shows on another level, and there's little to no interplay between any of them anymore, and I think at this point I like that because I think some of the events of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and Inhumans would cheapen the MCU proper and the Netflix shows.

I wouldn't mind if the connections between the Netflix shows and the MCU were strengthened again; as long as they mind the timeline they could still pretty easily fit everything together.

[Andrew NDB]

There will eventually come a time, for sure, when the movie people will decide they need or want, say, the Punisher or Daredevil to appear in their movie. It will be interesting to see what happens at that point.

[ProphetofGanja]

Just finished the series. That was a pretty tight first season, I liked it more than I thought I would. The Punisher as comic book character never really appealed to me; I'd seen him in various team-up stories but never read any of his solo series stuff. He always seemed like he was putting on airs and too self-righteous, but the Punisher on the show is way more down-to-earth, much more of a Regular Joe

[Shark_Blade]

Yep, I love this version of him the best. :tlove: They did him good, 9/10 in my book.

I very much look forward to the second season.

[NinjaPug]

Renewed for Season 2 today.

Good to see Disney and Netflix will continue producing new seasons for these shows despite Disney's plan to start its own streaming service.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm about halfway through the season. Love Micro, love the DHS agents.

The actual show, though... eh. There's not much in the way of an overarching villain, more of a conspiracy. It's an interesting new format for Marvel Netflix, and I admire them for it, but it's not personally working for me.

[Andrew NDB]

There's not much in the way of an overarching villain

There mostly is. It's sort of like a somewhat better executed version of what they did in The Defenders... introduce a big bad (the main CIA spook with the bum eye in Punisher, Sigourney Weaver in Defenders) and have them around for most of the season, then kill them off and it's a showdown with the new main villain (proto-Jigsaw in Punisher, Elektra in Defenders).

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

There mostly is. It's sort of like a somewhat better executed version of what they did in The Defenders... introduce a big bad (the main CIA spook with the bum eye in Punisher, Sigourney Weaver in Defenders) and have them around for most of the season, then kill them off and it's a showdown with the new main villain (proto-Jigsaw in Punisher, Elektra in Defenders).

Yeah, but the palpable threat for a few episodes isn't an individual identity, it's an idea. Which is interesting, but it's just not hooking me like Cottonmouth, Kilgrave, and Kingpin did.

It's good--the best Punisher we've had--it's just not entirely my wheelhouse.

[Autbot_Benz]

Marvel Entertainment
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"Marvel's @ThePunisher" will return with Season 2, premiering in January 2019! Learn more:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Marvel Entertainment
‏Verified account @Marvel
5h5 hours ago

"Marvel's @ThePunisher" will return with Season 2, premiering in January 2019! Learn more:

Might as well bill it as "The Final Season", 'cause we all know it fvcking will be. :trolleye:

[Andrew NDB]

https://tvweb.com/the-punisher-season-2-daredevil-characters/?fbclid=IwAR2SoQAxMZ_nkL5drHpp9fMzW3SuyeD3KBl8mZMP 58Hxs0Qa1RluVwV7qCk

Ben Barnes is back as Billy, but he will be Jigsaw, even though they don't refer to him under that name in The Punisher Season 2. Additionally, the show didn't go the comic book route to make his face all gruesome. Barnes says, "He very much has a jigsaw puzzle in his brain, is the point. It's not necessarily about his face."

Eh... what? Of course it's about his f***ing face. It's Jigsaw.

[Candy Kappa]

If his face isn’t all ****ed up, they better pull something really great outta their asses to make up for it. Jigsaw is mostly about his messed up face

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

https://tvweb.com/the-punisher-season-2-daredevil-characters/?fbclid=IwAR2SoQAxMZ_nkL5drHpp9fMzW3SuyeD3KBl8mZMP 58Hxs0Qa1RluVwV7qCk

Ben Barnes is back as Billy, but he will be Jigsaw, even though they don't refer to him under that name in The Punisher Season 2. Additionally, the show didn't go the comic book route to make his face all gruesome. Barnes says, "He very much has a jigsaw puzzle in his brain, is the point. It's not necessarily about his face."

Eh... what? Of course it's about his f***ing face. It's Jigsaw.

Gosh damn it, who approved that dumb idea? :trolleye:

[Sumac]

It's like making Catwoman, who has nothing to do with cats.
Oh wait... (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0327554/)

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It's like making Catwoman, who has nothing to do with cats.
Oh wait... (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0327554/)

Yeah, but that was Warner Brothers, famous for bad CBM decisions. (Not that they haven't had extraordinary successes, too.) :tlol:

[Autbot_Benz]

In a new report from Collider, we finally learned more about Frank Castle's latest foe for The Punisher Season 2, a character named John Pilgrim played by actor Josh Stewart. The villain has been described as Alt-Right, a term that's associated with white nationalism and extreme conservatives.

https://comicbook.com/marvel/2018/12/29/the-punisher-season-2-villain-alt-right/

https://i.imgur.com/ovil57p.gif

[Candy Kappa]

I doubt we'll ever see Black Panther vs. The Klan on the screen, so I'll gladly take Punisher take some neonazis alt-right boys.

[Andrew NDB]

Sheesh. Can we ever get back to Frank taking on gangs? The mafia? Hopefully there isn't a political slant to this season.

[Autbot_Benz]

https://comicbook.com/marvel/2019/01/01/the-punisher-season-2-premiere-date-netflix/

S2 Starts January 18th.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

https://comicbook.com/marvel/2019/01/01/the-punisher-season-2-premiere-date-netflix/

S2 Starts January 18th.

Eh. All the cancellations have really curbed my interest. I haven't even seen Daredevil Season 3 yet.

[Autbot_Benz]

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[Andrew NDB]

Is anyone else getting the weird feeling that Punisher will be the only show Netflix doesn't "cancel"?

It wasn't part of that initial deal, after all. It was something Netflix sought. And Punisher is somewhat disconnected from the bigger "Defenders" stuff.

[Autbot_Benz]

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[Cure]

Jigsaw is way too handsome, even with all the scars on his face. I honestly don't even know why they were hiding his face in the beginning. Like, dude could prolly still get more pie than I can.

[Autbot_Benz]

'The Punisher' EP Wants Kingpin In Season 3


https://comicbook.com/marvel/2019/01/22/punisher-season-3-kingpin-vincent-donofrio/

[Cure]

I think he should be more concerned with getting a season 3, period.

[Egon1982]

I've been enjoying this series so far, one of my fave netflix series.

[Andrew NDB]

About halfway done now. Holy sh** there is some great stuff here. The sheriff station shootout... Frank fighting all the Russians in the gym... good grief!

Not so great: I'm not feeling Billy as FAKE Jigsaw at all. I'm not liking his story much at all and I'd have preferred to spend more time with Pilgrim, who's actually really compelling.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Started this last night. Not feeling Pilgrim so far... he's feeling too stereotypical to me. Evil manipulative preacher, seen it way too many times already. But we'll see.

Also, holy crap, Rachel is ungrateful. Frank saved her ass from, what, 6 people in the bar? With knives and automatic weapons? Show a little fvcking gratitude, sister. :tlol:

But Frank's awesome as always. And Madani's awesome, too.

Not sold on Pretty Jigsaw yet, but I'll give the idea a chance...

[Andrew NDB]

Not feeling Pilgrim so far... he's feeling too stereotypical to me. Evil manipulative preacher, seen it way too many times already. But we'll see.

I felt similarly toward the beginning but he grew on me.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I felt similarly toward the beginning but he grew on me.

Glad to hear it! I'm hoping that will be the case.

I think the biggest problem is Rachel. Or whatever her real name turns out to be. I don't buy that anybody would be so hostile and "no, I'm fine, really, thanks" after seeing a bare-handed Frank Castle take out all those guys and girls with knives.

She knows she's in way over her head, but she wants to do it solo? Seriously?

[Andrew NDB]

Glad to hear it! I'm hoping that will be the case.

I think the biggest problem is Rachel. Or whatever her real name turns out to be. I don't buy that anybody would be so hostile and "no, I'm fine, really, thanks" after seeing a bare-handed Frank Castle take out all those guys and girls with knives.

She knows she's in way over her head, but she wants to do it solo? Seriously?

She's got a... chick in "Matchstick Men" thing going on. You'll see. She was annoying for a while until she became endearing.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

She's got a... chick in "Matchstick Men" thing going on. You'll see. She was annoying for a while until she became endearing.

I quit, man, I can't finish it. Barely at the end of Episode #2 and the girl's still all "I should totally run away from the ONE individual who is able to keep me safe from this." That doesn't just break my willing suspension of disbelief, it goes Marcellus Wallace on its ass. :tlol:

[Andrew NDB]

I quit, man, I can't finish it. Barely at the end of Episode #2 and the girl's still all "I should totally run away from the ONE individual who is able to keep me safe from this." That doesn't just break my willing suspension of disbelief, it goes Marcellus Wallace on its ass. :tlol:

Noooo... at least get to episode 6.

[Andrew NDB]

At episode 9 now. Definitely things have kind of plateaued for a while... FAKE Jigsaw is a little more interesting now, particularly with his doctor, Pilgrim has been largely absent aside from little cameos and the girl just did something that would definitely make CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy cry foul and for good reason. I thought she was well past this already. She did have the best line in the season, though. Something about, "I am NOT taking part in this Punisher pity party!" Great delivery.

I don't like that the Pilgrim and FAKE Jigsaw plots are so disconnected. It's not like Daredevil season 2 where it felt like one season ended in the middle and another began, rather it's like there is two separate seasons within Punisher season 2, each one fighting for dominance simultaneously.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

At episode 9 now. Definitely things have kind of plateaued for a while... FAKE Jigsaw is a little more interesting now, particularly with his doctor, Pilgrim has been largely absent aside from little cameos and the girl just did something that would definitely make CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy cry foul and for good reason. I thought she was well past this already. She did have the best line in the season, though. Something about, "I am NOT taking part in this Punisher pity party!" Great delivery.

Yeah, man, I bailed and started Narcos. Pretty good stuff, the subtitles are even working for me... usually I hate subtitles for more than, say, 2 minutes of the entire movie.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, man, I bailed and started Narcos. Pretty good stuff, the subtitles are even working for me... usually I hate subtitles for more than, say, 2 minutes of the entire movie.

Narcos or Narcos: Mexico?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Narcos or Narcos: Mexico?

Narcos. Haven't gotten to Narcos: Mexico yet.

Murphy is played by that blonde guy with a robot hand from Logan, so that's neat.

[Andrew NDB]

Narcos. Haven't gotten to Narcos: Mexico yet.

I think Mexico is a prequel to the main one?

Murphy is played by that blonde guy with a robot hand from Logan, so that's neat.

I like that guy. He's got style. Also, is it just me or does it look like he absolutely must be the brother of Charlie Hunnam?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I think Mexico is a prequel to the main one?

I like that guy. He's got style. Also, is it just me or does it look like he absolutely must be the brother of Charlie Hunnam?

According to Wikipedia, I think you're right. :tgrin:

Same. But he sounds like Joel Kinnaman to me. Hard not to hear Rick Flag or Kovacs. At least to my ears.

[Candy Kappa]

Watching episode 1 of season 2 now. It's super weird seeing Frank so... "well shaved" at the bar, no bruises or cuts :lol:

[Andrew NDB]

Watching episode 1 of season 2 now. It's super weird seeing Frank so... "well shaved" at the bar, no bruises or cuts :lol:

Oh, it doesn't last.

[Candy Kappa]

Hehe yeah. I'm at the Frank's second visit at the bar and baddies just entered.

But, wow what chemistry Frank and Beth have, need a MCU Netflix AU where everything goes well and Frank settles down with Beth and Rex.

[Andrew NDB]

But, wow what chemistry Frank and Beth have, need a MCU Netflix AU where everything goes well and Frank settles down with Beth and Rex.

Yeah, I was impressed with that, their chemistry. A little sad that...

she never appears ever again in the season. I don't think she's even referenced. I was sort of expecting Frank to reunite with her in the season finale... but I guess that really wouldn't be compatible with where Frank is left at the end.

[Andrew NDB]

Re-watching and re-enjoying these. Halfway through season 1 again... and wait a minute here. Why is everyone thinking Frank Castle is dead, exactly? Did I miss something? Frank Castle came back from the dead to become the Punisher in Daredevil season 2, then had "the trial of the century" and became a media icon... then he went to prison and basically "snuck out" (Kingpin arranged his quiet exit). So as far as anyone would guess, he's just out there on the loose... no?

[Andrew NDB]

Jon Bernthal not interested in returning as Punisher unless it has the same darkness as the Netflix series:

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/punisher/the-punisher-star-jon-bernthal-has-no-interest-in-returning-as-a-watered-down-version-of-frank-castle-a189950?fbclid=IwAR1_WNbth6eiT12LIkUnlFfyg8e_x27Ln G3hBitkUNwCgFPySWduP_tVjD4#gs.6dcb.hti086

Given his eagerness to return to it in the past, this sorta makes me think maybe they did offer him something a little bit light/jokey.

[sdp]

Jon Bernthal not interested in returning as Punisher unless it has the same darkness as the Netflix series:

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/punisher/the-punisher-star-jon-bernthal-has-no-interest-in-returning-as-a-watered-down-version-of-frank-castle-a189950?fbclid=IwAR1_WNbth6eiT12LIkUnlFfyg8e_x27Ln G3hBitkUNwCgFPySWduP_tVjD4#gs.6dcb.hti086

Given his eagerness to return to it in the past, this sorta makes me think maybe they did offer him something a little bit light/jokey.

Or he hasn't been offered anything yet so he mentions this to save face as if he would only do it given certain conditions in case they recast, so he doesn't look like a fool that couldn't get the role

[Warhorse]

Or he hasn't been offered anything yet so he mentions this to save face as if he would only do it given certain conditions in case they recast, so he doesn't look like a fool that couldn't get the role

Knowing Disney, this is highly unlikely. I can definitely see Disney approaching Bernthal for the Punisher but letting him know they will make it more light hearted like the first Iron-Man instead of dark and gritty. And Bernthal has a pretty good grasp on what makes the Punisher tick.

[Andrew NDB]

Knowing Disney, this is highly unlikely. I can definitely see Disney approaching Bernthal for the Punisher but letting him know they will make it more light hearted like the first Iron-Man instead of dark and gritty. And Bernthal has a pretty good grasp on what makes the Punisher tick.

Definitely. I suspect they "felt him out" about things recently and probably offered him some neutered role in like "Moon Knight" or something and he balked at it.

I don't know why it has to be such a big deal now. They should have just had Bernthal "re-intro" as Punisher in the final battle in Endgame... machine gunning away members of Thanos' army. I'd have flipped out if I saw that.

[TMNTFanatic4Life]

Re-watching and re-enjoying these. Halfway through season 1 again... and wait a minute here. Why is everyone thinking Frank Castle is dead, exactly? Did I miss something? Frank Castle came back from the dead to become the Punisher in Daredevil season 2, then had "the trial of the century" and became a media icon... then he went to prison and basically "snuck out" (Kingpin arranged his quiet exit). So as far as anyone would guess, he's just out there on the loose... no?

Exactly what I was thinking. I guess maybe the characters on Punisher don’t watch TV or read the papers because the trial was national coverage and everybody should know that he was alive.

That or they juggled going backwards in the series by acting like this show would be it’s own entity with no connection to what took place in Daredevil but also going forward a bit by connecting it by having Karen in a few episodes.


Still, yeah, doesn’t make any sense how everyone thought he was dead.

[Cure]

He supposedly dies when the ship he was on exploded or whatever in Daredevil. Pretty major event, people.

[Andrew NDB]

This this better be true:

https://www.small-screen.co.uk/jon-bernthal-new-mcu-punisher-series-hulu/

[joe-eyeball]

Please make this happen! I really want to see The Slavers story arc brought to life!

[cammy85]

Please make this happen! I really want to The Slavers story arc brought to life!

The article was updated with confirmation. :D Good, because he made an awesome Punisher/Castle!!

[Andrew NDB]

Supposedly Disney+ is already developing a new Punisher series, sight unseen of Born Again.

https://www.superherohype.com/news/590389-the-punisher-series-jon-bernthal-disney-marvel-daredevil

[cammy85]

Nice! Somewhat, but I'm on the "Punisher season" of Daredevil in my rewatch, and if I have time will rewatch this series again since Disney+ will probably be releasing the new DD episodes weekly.