Battle Angel Alita

[NinjaPug]

After years of development it looks like this is finally moving forward.

In October it was announced that Robert Rodriguez would be directing.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/james-cameron-robert-rodriguez-teaming-832157

Today it was announced that the title role has been cast - Rose Salazar.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/scorch-trials-actress-star-james-897873

[Spike Spiegel]

It's good to see this is still happening. I thought Jim Cameron would be too bogged down with Avatar sequels to ever actually do it.

[drgon78]

I really would have liked to see what James Cameron's version would have been like. I do not like Robert Rodriguez as a director and am not impressed with the casting of the main character.

[NinjaPug]

Fox also set a release date for July 20, 2018

http://deadline.com/2016/05/warner-bros-maze-runner-the-death-cure-dylan-obrien-1201764118/

[NinjaPug]

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[Allio]

just like Ghost in the Shell, doesn't matter if the movie is good or not, as long as I get the "Deluxe" editions, I'm good. Though wish those translations did keep Alita's original name "Gally"

Oh well, what can you do.

[Spike Spiegel]

just like Ghost in the Shell, doesn't matter if the movie is good or not, as long as I get the "Deluxe" editions, I'm good. Though wish those translations did keep Alita's original name "Gally"

Oh well, what can you do.

Maybe the original anime will get a get a re-release, too.

[Allio]

Hopefully subs aren’t like stand alone complex

[Andrew NDB]

Big budget anime adaptation? Modern day Robert Rodriguez at the helm? This doesn't bode well at all. And how long until "those people" start complaining the whole cast isn't Japanese, or whatever?

I really like Rosa Salazar. She can pull off tough and has a pretty unique look.

[Andrew NDB]

Here's the full trailer:

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I think it looks interesting enough.

[PApagreg]

Whoever okay ed Alita design should be shot repeatedly

[Candy Kappa]

I don't mind her looking like a real-life anime character. When people make robots like that you can bet your pants someone will make'em like a cartoon character, so I guess it's a neat reference to the source material being a manga/anime.

But she does look like one of those 3D artworks depicting carton characters with super realistic skin textures, eyes and wrinkles which is distracting when she seems to be the only one like that.

[Andrew NDB]

That's really the actress, though. It's not motion capture (well, I'm sure they painted her real arms green or blue or whatever) or anything. All they did was put a lot of makeup on the actress and cut and paste her eyes back onto the face and made them bigger, anime-like. But that's her real body, real hair, skin, all of that.

Here's the actress:

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/92/79/99/927999c889d011b85a349fbb046654f0--pretty-woman.jpg

[sdp]

Movie looks good, not familiar with the source material but I remember as a kid always seeing ads on anime magazines.

I still gotta watch GOTS, movie didn't look bad, I don't care what critics say.

[Andrew NDB]

I still gotta watch GOTS, movie didn't look bad, I don't care what critics say.

Interested to see it myself. Though it has so many even non-SJW-influenced reviews ("Why isn't everyone Japanese??? BOYCOTT THIS AMERICAN ADAPTATION!!!") destroying it... I would have to put the odds that it's actually any good pretty low.

I probably would have drug myself to the theater to see it if it was R-rated. Not a whole lot of enthusiasm for movies with a bunch of people shooting and killing each other if they can't even show it. Let's see if "Alita" is allowed to actually have any teeth.

[drag0nfeathers]

I love it and I'm so excited but by God her eyes are giving me goddamn nightmares! I get the "anime style" they are going for, but damn.... bring it down just a notch.

[Andrew NDB]

I love it and I'm so excited but by God her eyes are giving me goddamn nightmares! I get the "anime style" they are going for, but damn.... bring it down just a notch.

They're not a deal breaker for me but I do wish they'd have just left the actress alone beyond conventional makeup.

[Allio]

I like the eyes. It rally seperates us from the human side as her body isnt even real.

[sdp]

I like what they're doing with the face since it gets you to uncanny valley which is what I"m guessing they're going for.

[Spike Spiegel]

This looks like a far more respectful adaptation of its source material than GiTS turned out to be.

[drgon78]

Looks terrible, but not surprised.

[drag0nfeathers]

It's not a deal breaker for me either, I just thing if they dialed it back just a touch she would look more "innocent doe-eyed anime style" and little less "terrifying android Barbie"


They're not a deal breaker for me but I do wish they'd have just left the actress alone beyond conventional makeup.

[sdp]

I watched the trailer and read a little bit about the source material, I'm in 100%, don't care if it stinks up the B.O.

[ProactiveMan]

Looks good to me. The original was a big part of the 90s Anime boom - you'd hear it in the same breath as Akira and Ghost in the Shell. It's surprising that it's kind'a forgotten now.

Elysium kind'a ripped-off its central premise, so I hope that doesn't hurt it's chances.

[Coola Yagami]

I love it and I'm so excited but by God her eyes are giving me goddamn nightmares! I get the "anime style" they are going for, but damn.... bring it down just a notch.

From what I understand, that's how she looks like in the original manga/anime. And I don't mean because she's an anime character, I mean as in... other characters in her own series notice and point out that she does have bigger than normal eyes in-universe. From what I get, she's a doll-like android and is supposed to look like that. So hey, kudos to the movie for not screwing that up and keeping that detail.

[PApagreg]

From what I understand, that's how she looks like in the original manga/anime. And I don't mean because she's an anime character, I mean as in... other characters in her own series notice and point out that she does have bigger than normal eyes in-universe. From what I get, she's a doll-like android and is supposed to look like that. So hey, kudos to the movie for not screwing that up and keeping that detail.

Even though I haven't read the series I heard from people who have that characters point out her lips than her eyes in fact one of her nicknames is octopus lips
http://battleangel.wikia.com/wiki/Alita

In fact here is a human male in front of Alita

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/RMKle5if-80/hqdefault.jpg

Her eyes are slightly bigger but they aren't inhuman

This girl right here, also human(though her brother is a cyborg)

https://78.media.tumblr.com/b4ae63168b7917a9b5304be15b07e749/tumblr_ofzbeiwMz41vw7q4ko1_540.png

[Coola Yagami]

Even though I haven't read the series I heard from people who have that characters point out her lips than her eyes in fact one of her nicknames is octopus lips
http://battleangel.wikia.com/wiki/Alita

In fact here is a human male in front of Alita

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/RMKle5if-80/hqdefault.jpg

Her eyes are slightly bigger but they aren't inhuman

This girl right here, also human(though her brother is a cyborg)

https://78.media.tumblr.com/b4ae63168b7917a9b5304be15b07e749/tumblr_ofzbeiwMz41vw7q4ko1_540.png

I'll have to read up, I heard she even gets made fun of because of her eyes. If anything, that pic looks like the guy's eyes are big due to surprise and her eyes are big by default, but idk. I'd imagine if they're gonna make fun of her eyes and lips they should not make the other non-doll characters look like that too to make the differences more notable.

Either way, if she has big eyes in-universe, than the movie adaptation is fine. It would be like complaining about the Hulk being so unbelievably huge for a normal muscular man when that's how he is in the comics. I believe most of the people complaining are ones that have never even heard of the series.

[Andrew NDB]

I think it's pretty simple. Rodriguez and/or Cameron said "main chick should have anime eyes!" So she does. It's a creative decision. Why attack it?

[dl316bh]

I think it's pretty simple. Rodriguez and/or Cameron said "main chick should have anime eyes!" So she does. It's a creative decision. Why attack it?
Mainly because it lurks in the uncanny valley and does not fit with the realistic aesthetic of everything else in the world. We've come a long way in CG, but we're still not quite there yet; see also CG Tarkin, the furthest anyone's come to realistic looking CG humans so far, and how all anyone seemed to want to talk about from Rogue One is how off he felt. She does have big eyes in the manga, but so do a lot of characters, including the regular humans, because it's a stylistic choice that works with the art style of the world the artist has developed. It's consistent. Here, she just has big eyes because that's an anime thing and it does not work with the realistic bent you naturally get from live action. See Ido, the scientist, for example. Just a regular guy in the trailer, when in the manga, he looks like this.

http://shakyamuni.chez.com/S%E9ries/S%E9ries%20compl%E8tes/Gunnm/ido.jpg

Basically, the point is, they took one thing from the manga and transplanted it and, outside of the rest of the style and in something where everything looks realish, it sticks out in the wrong way. It's a weird half measure that just doesn't look right, proportionally, and if they wanted to emulate the style they ought to have just gone whole hog and done a full CG animated film with the style of everything translated. I've seen some try to defend it with "uncanny valley is the point, she's a cyborg, she sticks out", except that's not how it works for the character. If anything, her lips got more attention in story than anything else, complete with embarrassing nicknames, because her face is otherwise normalish. You already get that otherness anyway with the fact that ninety percent of her body is cybernetic; she's literally a brain in a cyborg body.

Plus it leaves a lot of the character, clothes included, as pure CG, which again stands out next to flesh and blood actors.

It doesn't bother some people, but it does get to a lot more - I personally think it looks pretty bad and repulsive, but my opinion is to be taken with a grain of salt, because I've never been a huge fan of heavy CG, especially on human characters - and I have a nasty feeling this is going to turn off or stick with general audiences more than anything else about it. It could be a great adaptation otherwise, and with the people involved it has a good shot, but it could easily end up known as "that movie with the weird bug eyes". After the heartbreak of Blade Runner 2049 not performing in theaters, it would really suck if this turned out to be good and another cyberpunk film ended up sunk because of something silly they didn't need to do.

But all that is really just me vomiting words when I could probably just sum it all up with "because it looks silly".

[drgon78]

It would have worked better if they gave everyone else anime eyes...well maybe not.

[Coola Yagami]

I think it's pretty simple. Rodriguez and/or Cameron said "main chick should have anime eyes!" So she does. It's a creative decision. Why attack it?

But she has 'anime eyes' in universe... to the point characters in her own series point it out...

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I don't even know what this is, but those freaking anime eyes on an otherwise realistic-looking character...

Yeesh.

[Spike Spiegel]

If the eyes are the only thing people can really complain about, I consider that a positive thing. I mean, she's an android. She's supposed to have that "uncanny valley" thing going on.

I checked Amazon and the special editions of the manga will be presented as hardcover volumes in the original right-to-left reading format, unlike the versions I remember seeing years ago at the library.

Looks like there were nine initial volumes of it before any spin-offs/alternate endings, five of which are already showing on the site, with the first one being currently available for purchase.

Apparently the new versions are full-size, rather than digest size, which is nice.

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[sdp]

I can see this being an awesome movie but being nitpicked to death by FAKE geek culture websites and most people just repeating what their favorite websites/youtubers said.

I'm already seeing that with Ready Player One.

[plastroncafe]

I can see this being an awesome movie but being nitpicked to death by ... geek culture websites and most people just repeating what their favorite websites/youtubers said.

I'm already seeing that with Ready Player One.


A minor edit, but now I can totally agree with it.

I have to admit that I didn't have any real interest in this movie until I saw that Rodriguez was directing.

[Coola Yagami]

I can see this being an awesome movie but being nitpicked to death by FAKE geek culture websites and most people just repeating what their favorite websites/youtubers said.

I'm already seeing that with Ready Player One.

It's already happening here with people complaining about her eyes without knowing that's how she's supposed to be and we're supposed to be the geeks that know that stuff.

I'm just ready for whenever that Spiderverse movie is out and these non-comic readers start complaining about why Spiderman is black.

[plastroncafe]

It's already happening here with people complaining about her eyes without knowing that's how she's supposed to be and we're supposed to be the geeks that know that stuff.

I'm just ready for whenever that Spiderverse movie is out and these non-comic readers start complaining about why Spiderman is black.

Let's be honest, there's already comic readers complaining about that too.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It's already happening here with people complaining about her eyes without knowing that's how she's supposed to be and we're supposed to be the geeks that know that stuff.

I'm just ready for whenever that Spiderverse movie is out and these non-comic readers start complaining about why Spiderman is black.

I, for one, get to critique whatever I want to critique.

I know nothing about the IP or character. I see this screencap, I don't like it, and I decide "Nah, I'm not interested."

That's all I gotta do. If this is accurate to the source, then that's a very interesting creative choice and I get why it would please some people. Glad to know some people are on board. But as a filthy casual, I see this and raise it a "nope."

[PApagreg]

It's already happening here with people complaining about her eyes without knowing that's how she's supposed to be and we're supposed to be the geeks that know that stuff.

I'm just ready for whenever that Spiderverse movie is out and these non-comic readers start complaining about why Spiderman is black.

Again people in the manga mostly point out her lips than her eyes so if James Cameron or Rodriguez wanted to be closer to the source they would've CG the character's lips instead of her eyes. Also again this is what a human girl looks like in the manga

https://78.media.tumblr.com/b4ae63168b7917a9b5304be15b07e749/tumblr_ofzbeiwMz41vw7q4ko1_540.png

I mean the eyes aren't a huge dealbreaker for me and if the film is good I'll watch it but I could really do without the eyes

[dl316bh]

I know nothing about the IP or character. I see this screencap, I don't like it, and I decide "Nah, I'm not interested."
Unfortunately for the film - especially if it IS good - I have a bad feeling you're not going to be alone in that.

Again people in the manga mostly point out her lips than her eyes so if James Cameron or Rodriguez wanted to be closer to the source they would've CG the character's lips instead of her eyes.
Yeah, she gets s*** for her lips, including nicknames. A ton of characters have big eyes like hers, even humans. It's part of the art style.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/battleangel/images/f/fd/BAA08_48_Kayna.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110321232047
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/battleangel/images/f/f6/BAA07_05_Figure.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110325052645
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/battleangel/images/4/4d/BAA07_09_Lou.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110415034507

[TigerClaw]

Here's the new Trailer

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[drgon78]

The first trailer looked a little too uncanny valley but this is great. So much so that I will see this first before Aquaman.

[sdp]

What did they do to the eyes? they look smaller and oddly enough look more freaky. The people complaining weren't even going to watch the movie either. I hate these changes that will not help the box office since this movie is too out there for "casuals" anyway, it was easier to get their attention with the bigger eyes.

[Andrew NDB]

Did they tweak the eyes? They look the same to me.

[sdp]

You might be right, plenty people are saying the eyes are smaller and they seem smaller to me even after watching the first trailer again. But others are saying there's no difference. I was able to find this comparison image and at least here they're the same, but the different face structure and lighting might play a part in making the eyes not seem as big:

https://abload.de/img/pngcomparey4e8b.png

I love the eyes though, it's a cool stylize choice.

[drgon78]

So they didn't change the eye size like it seemed but it is a major improvement.

Anyone read the manga?

[drgon78]

Release date has been changed to February 14th 2019.

[drgon78]

The 3rd trailer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cislZ9S0ocA&T=2s

[drgon78]

The 4th Trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puKWa8hrvA8

[Andrew NDB]

Tracking to be a 200 million dollar flop:

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/02/alita-battle-angel-200-million-box-office-flop-fox-1202041681/

Why is it PG-13, anyway? Another anime movie made into film that self-castrates itself from being taken seriously.

[ProactiveMan]

I saw it on Sunday. It's pretty violent for PG-13.

[drgon78]

I am seeing it this morning, I can't wait.

I hope they are wrong and it makes a lot of money, I really want sequels.

I heard it was a hard PG-13.

[Allio]

Some people I have been watching, including a very otaku/weaboo Mother's Basement have been giving this movie a very hearty thumbs up and is definitely saying this is one of the better live action anime films. Which considering that only consists of Ruroni Kenshin and Death Note, it isn't really a high bar.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Just saw it myself, and it was pretty solid, actually. Went in knowing nothing but the title of the manga, so no expectations, and was quite pleased. Good story, characters, and action. Some of the cg was a bit obvious, mostly with her face looking a bit too anime-ish, but I can overlook that. I give it an 8/10.

[drgon78]

I have seen it twice and will be seeing it a third time this coming week.

I give it a 9.5/10 because I have weird taste in movies.

[Andrew NDB]

So... I really, realy liked it. Going to see it a second time this weekend and take my daughter.

This legit needs to get a sequel.

[Allio]

I'll probably have to say this, out of the non-slice of life/romance live action anime/manga films I have to say Alita is up there with Ruroni Kenshin and the japanese Death Note films.


Tracking to be a 200 million dollar flop:

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/02/alita-battle-angel-200-million-box-office-flop-fox-1202041681/

Why is it PG-13, anyway? Another anime movie made into film that self-castrates itself from being taken seriously.

Machine deaths don't count towards an R-rating.

[snake]

I'm thinking about going on Saturday to see it. So far I've heard nothing but good things, even from the contrarians on 4chan. I'm hoping it does well at the box office, because this might pave the way for more cyberpunk/futuristic movies, but things aren't looking exactly bright. It'll probably break even at most, and maybe get a lower budget, shittier sequel like Pacific Rim did.

[Andrew NDB]

Machine deaths don't count towards an R-rating.

Right, but there was some damn clever workarounds. They do tell us those are human brains in the heads... but we still see heads getting sliced in half and such. Blue blood instead of red blood, but still. And when the human people get wounded and get bloody, they're wearing black clothes and it's usually at night so all you can see is like a big "wet spot." It's a movie that can uniquely get around the problem, and I like that Rodriguez claimed his "one F bomb" that a PG-13 movie is allotted.

Dammit, this is what TMNT could be.

Definitely PG-13 stretched to its absolute limit. Most PG-13 actioners don't even try. I suspect Cameron may have a tiny bit of pull at the MPAA, still.

[drgon78]

Yeah, this movie is a hard PG-13, they got away with a lot, I especially like one of the best uses for an F-Bomb I have seen in a long while.

[Andrew NDB]

Part 2 may come to Disney+.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/alita-sequel-could-happen-at-disney/

[Sumac]

Yay!
One of the best action movies, I've seen in a while.

[drgon78]

Nothing could get me to get Disney+, not even a sequel to Alita. Especially since I have no faith in Disney whatsoever to do anything right anymore.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Wow, not even movies like Moana and Inside Out, or series like Mandalorian? Disney has made some mis-steps, to be sure, but they still have plenty of imagination and heart, in spite of what some say.

[IMJ]

Yay!
One of the best action movies, I've seen in a while.

It was def underrated. And it had a hell of a lotta heart to it too.....

[Leo656]

Disney has made some mis-steps, to be sure, but they still have plenty of imagination and heart

https://media0.giphy.com/media/dtI7iJluuOTaPwiU5h/giphy.gif

They've done nothing for the last 4 years except sell us movies we already watched decades ago, but with a new "skin". And that's the entirety of their future business model for the next decade.

"Imagination!" :lol: Whooo, that was good. Ow, my sides.

[Coola Yagami]

Wow, not even movies like Moana and Inside Out, or series like Mandalorian? Disney has made some mis-steps, to be sure, but they still have plenty of imagination and heart, in spite of what some say.

I'll give you Inside Out and Moana, but Mandalorian is based on an existing franchise, relying heavily on the baby version of the same species of a pre-existing beloved character.

The rest has been live-action remake after live-action remake of what has come before.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah... stuff like "The Mandalorian," as far as I'm concerned only earn Disney accolades for simply not saying "No" to them getting made. Their corporate body had nothing with nurturing them or being involved creatively.

[Andrew NDB]

Cameron seemingly confirms there is more on the way:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/cameron-confirms-more-alita-coming/

[Andrew NDB]

Alita 2 reconfirmed:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/landau-alita-sequel-still-moving-forward/

[drgon78]

I will believe it when I see a official trailer.

[Sumac]

I will believe it when I see a official trailer.
Same here.

[Bahamut810]

I hope so, I am a fan of the Manga (that I read before it was cool) and I thought they did a good job transferring it to film.

[IMJ]

They are going to do with this what they did with Avatar. Which is crazy too because I guess Avatar 2 made a ton of money, yet while it was out seemingly no one cared. It made all of this global box office money but it's like.... just something that happened and people saw it and were like "oh yeah.... I saw it". That's it.

To me, the Avatar franchise is this super-hyped nothing-burger of a film series. And the longer they drag out Alita 2, the more I can see that happening.

[Sumac]

They are going to do with this what they did with Avatar. Which is crazy too because I guess Avatar 2 made a ton of money, yet while it was out seemingly no one cared. It made all of this global box office money but it's like.... just something that happened and people saw it and were like "oh yeah.... I saw it". That's it.

To me, the Avatar franchise is this super-hyped nothing-burger of a film series. And the longer they drag out Alita 2, the more I can see that happening.
At least Aelita has arguably sympathetic heroine and crew, which is more than I can say about Avatar characters.

[IMJ]

At least Aelita has arguably sympathetic heroine and crew, which is more than I can say about Avatar characters.

Yeah I'm with you on that 100%

[Barkworm]

They are going to do with this what they did with Avatar. Which is crazy too because I guess Avatar 2 made a ton of money, yet while it was out seemingly no one cared. It made all of this global box office money but it's like.... just something that happened and people saw it and were like "oh yeah.... I saw it". That's it.

To me, the Avatar franchise is this super-hyped nothing-burger of a film series.

I remember a friend of mine seeing it and when I asked her if she'd liked it, she just said "I think so but when I left, it was like a black hole in my head." That's 100 % my experience with Avatar.

Haven't bothered to watch the second one even though my brother, who really hated the first one, recommended it to me. But... nah. A True Lies sequel would be the only James Cameron film I'd ever be interested in seeing. But that ship sailed long ago.

[Andrew NDB]

A True Lies sequel would be the only James Cameron film I'd ever be interested in seeing. But that ship sailed long ago.

Arnold's "FUBAR" series on Netflix is honestly a spiritual sequel to True Lies. Basically, imagine if Arnold's character was still doing the same job 25 years later but now the daughter from the movie -- all grown up -- joins the family business. Same thing, same kind of story, different character names. Just... yeah... I'm one of his hugest fans, but Arnold can't really pull this off anymore, or pull off scary/intimidating either.

[IMJ]

I remember a friend of mine seeing it and when I asked her if she'd liked it, she just said "I think so but when I left, it was like a black hole in my head." That's 100 % my experience with Avatar.

Haven't bothered to watch the second one

Pretty much my experience with that franchise as well. The most open praise I have for it is that the first one had some truly photo-real VFX of ships and plant life on the alien planet. That's it. I hardly think it's the juggernaut sci-fi franchise that James Cameron seems to think it is.

To your thing about True Lies though? Secretly I have always wanted a follow up movie to the Dark Angel T.V. series which ended pretty abruptly at season 2. It will obviously never happen, but I'd love it although it's 20 years out of spec now and Jessica Alba's star for film appearances fell a very long time ago.

Arnold's "FUBAR" series on Netflix is honestly a spiritual sequel to True Lies. Basically, imagine if Arnold's character was still doing the same job 25 years later but now the daughter from the movie -- all grown up -- joins the family business. Same thing, same kind of story, different character names. Just... yeah... I'm one of his hugest fans, but Arnold can't really pull this off anymore, or pull off scary/intimidating either.

It was a solid show.

[Andrew NDB]

It was a solid show.

It's still going. It was renewed pretty quickly for a season 2.

[Sumac]

I remember a friend of mine seeing it and when I asked her if she'd liked it, she just said "I think so but when I left, it was like a black hole in my head." That's 100 % my experience with Avatar.
Same here. What should have been Star Wars-type EVENT, ended up being mediocre sci-fi. Beautiful, but shallow.

Its not even "so bad its good", its just...there. Which incredibly puzzles me, since I barely can figure, how can one create a movie, which doesn't leave any emotions or long lasting impressions. Even after watching bad movies I can remember at least some moments, in case of Avatar, all I remember...blue catpeople and that's about it.

It is the biggest miracle in my opinion. :lol:

[Andrew NDB]

Alita 2 re-confirmed again:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/alita-2-star-wars-f1-sequel-talk/

"At least one more." And apparently it'll get up and going right after this next Avatar movie. And the thought from a few years back that it might be a Disney+ series seem not to have gone anywhere -- it'll be a movie.

[neatoman]

Alita 2 re-confirmed again:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/alita-2-star-wars-f1-sequel-talk/

"At least one more." And apparently it'll get up and going right after this next Avatar movie. And the thought from a few years back that it might be a Disney+ series seem not to have gone anywhere -- it'll be a movie.

Right I guess now that this supposedly happening again, I guess it's relevant again to ask how they're going to handle the fact that they took elements from the OVA, including something that contradicts the very fundamental twist that is the basis for a lot of plot development going forward? Because unlike the OVA which was made before said twist happened in the manga, the movie really had no business just copying that mistake.

In case you don't know what I'm talking about, I'll explain it in spoiler tags but be warned, it is a very important twist:
Zalemites don't have brains, when they get their full citizenship their brains are surgically removed and replaced with computers that simulate their brains. In the OVA and movie, Chiren who is a Zalemite herself is dissected for organ harvest and her brain, which she shouldn't have, is shown.

[drgon78]

I will believe it when I see a(real) trailer.

[sdp]

I saw the OVAs and the movie like a year ago, I enjoyed them. I'd watch a sequel. Clearly I'd love it more if they'd announced more OVAs to finish the story, odd it's never been remade or finished.

[Andrew NDB]

Right I guess now that this supposedly happening again, I guess it's relevant again to ask how they're going to handle the fact that they took elements from the OVA, including something that contradicts the very fundamental twist that is the basis for a lot of plot development going forward? Because unlike the OVA which was made before said twist happened in the manga, the movie really had no business just copying that mistake.

In case you don't know what I'm talking about, I'll explain it in spoiler tags but be warned, it is a very important twist:
Zalemites don't have brains, when they get their full citizenship their brains are surgically removed and replaced with computers that simulate their brains. In the OVA and movie, Chiren who is a Zalemite herself is dissected for organ harvest and her brain, which she shouldn't have, is shown.

Hm... I don't think that's really that big of a deal. Maybe Cameron and/or Rodriguez just didn't like that twist and what it meant for the Zalemites.

[neatoman]

Hm... I don't think that's really that big of a deal. Maybe Cameron and/or Rodriguez just didn't like that twist and what it meant for the Zalemites.

The problem is that it's a very important plot twist and much of the story hinges on it after Alita gets to Zalem. There are two particular things that can't make sense if that twist is removed.
The reason Nova is so dangerous is because unlike most Zalemites, who go insane if they learn the truth, he revels in it because it allows him to constantly clone himself and experiment with improving himself in numerous ways. He's essentially immortal and can do weird crap like put his brain-computer in his stomach to prevent people from killing him with blows to the head.
This thing also also allowed for several copies of Alita herself to be made. In the sequel manga Last Order it's revealed that while she was under, her brain was removed and replaced with one of those computers, meaning that Alita from that point onward is a pure Android, while the brain gets a human body at the end.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, that all sounds a little bit out there. Good for a manga, not so great for a movie trying to appeal to mass audiences. "Brain chips" and "brain clones" and "stomach brain chips"... I could easily see Cameron/Rodriguez boiling all of that way down into something simpler.

[drgon78]

They could give us the OVA on blu ray....something they should have done when the movie came out.

[Andrew NDB]

They could give us the OVA on blu ray....something they should have done when the movie came out.

If they didn't care about that in 2019 they care about it 300% less now.