Female Turtles movie?

[Andrew NDB]

Is it time for a female Turtles movie, like the Ghostbusters one? Should there be one?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/a9/72/3a/a9723aa9743ac37535d934e8eafd508a.jpg

[TurtleTitan97]

That picture gave me cancer.

[plastroncafe]

So a realistic mutation then!

[Candy Kappa]

It's time for shell tits. Move over Howard the Duck, your duck tits ain't dumb enough, we must go further.

[IndigoErth]

No... don't go Ghostbustering my Turtles. If they're going to get more women in there, I'd rather those who are their own good characters, not just gender swap because no one knows how to write cool original women well enough. Cripe, they got completely lost on any idea of what to do with Karai. :roll:



Realistically speaking... I'd rather a big alien turtle-like baddie who happens to be a girl and working for Krang. Like a big ass-kicking female Slash** of sorts, who easily gives our boys a run for their money. Go all out with the gnarly-looking alien turtle thing as far as design goes... not a Hollywood pinup design. Enough so that one of our Turtles by default says "he," and this alien pauses and glares at him saying, "Who you calling he?"

And leave any gender signifiers at just that (alongside a good voice, but use a woman with a deeper, strong tone, sort of like a female Nick Slash and suggests "evil alien" well enough) - NO alien/reptile boobs, etc.


**Inspired by Slash only, not just some genderbent version.

I kinda went to see this now. The writers need to look at fan ideas to pull bits if ideas from... they'd get better stories.

[Autbot_Benz]

enough with these stupid question topics they are nothing but clutter

[Vicky82]

enough with these stupid question topics they are nothing but clutter

Yeah I agree. Where the Mods, they've all seemed to have disappeared.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

My Ignore List is growing. Couple of more levels and maybe it'll evolve...

[Candy Kappa]

Yeah I agree. Where the Mods, they've all seemed to have disappeared.

We're on our own, the gods and the mods have left us to rot.

[snake]

I cast Leslie Jones as Raph

[Autbot_Benz]

I cast Leslie Jones as Raph

please no Leslie Jones is hard enough to look at as it is :lol:

[TurtleWA]

How does someone determine when a question is not stupid and worth posting for discussion?

[snake]

please no Leslie Jones is hard enough to look at as it is :lol:

I cast her as sgt. Bananas

[ToTheNines]

I cast Leslie Jones as Raph

I don't know if it was a turtle thing, or a mutant thing, but I'm pissed!

[TMNTInsighter]

The new Ghostbusters movie, just like this idea, shows that if you aim for social points instead of quality points you're going to fail at both. Just ask Jenessa Robinson (The Guardian), Akila Hughes (Fusion), or even the Twitterverse because they'll accuse you of racism, bias, etc. anyway possible.

[Cryomancer]

It's time for shell tits. Move over Howard the Duck, your duck tits ain't dumb enough, we must go further.

OT style mutation, they mutate from baby turtles into adult turtle-human hybrids and their tits grow under the plastron and crush their organs. Well ****, movie over.

[Etsyturtle2]

I just noticed don is flat chested. :neutral:

Yknow, each turtle's boobs Are telling of their personality. Mikey the more bouncy playfull one, Raph's big and intimidating, Leo's focused and neutral, Donnie's the nerd with no impressive bodily traits.

I like it.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

God dammit they've even got camel toes

[snake]

I just noticed don is flat chested. :neutral:

Yknow, each turtle's boobs Are telling of their personality. Mikey the more bouncy playfull one, Raph's big and intimidating, Leo's focused and neutral, Donnie's the nerd with no impressive bodily traits.

I like it.

Raph's should be bigger if they were going for that. But holy sh*t did they overload on the hips.

[IndigoErth]

God dammit they've even got camel toes
Huh?

:teek:

Can't unsee girl Raph. Need mind bleach/eraser. Okay, put the pants back.

[Etsyturtle2]

Raph's should be bigger if they were going for that. But holy sh*t did they overload on the hips.

Yeah. Just a bit bigger than Mikey's

Wish Donnie got some more love.

Edit: Yes I now own my own page!

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Realistically speaking... I'd rather a big alien turtle-like baddie who happens to be a girl and working for Krang. Like a big ass-kicking female Slash** of sorts, who easily gives our boys a run for their money. Go all out with the gnarly-looking alien turtle thing as far as design goes... not a Hollywood pinup design. Enough so that one of our Turtles by default says "he," and this alien pauses and glares at him saying, "Who you calling he?"

I like that idea. I mean, I'd rather have Slash just because preexisting character, but that's a GREAT idea. :tcool:

[Spike Spiegel]

No... don't go Ghostbustering my Turtles.


Realistically speaking... I'd rather a big alien turtle-like baddie who happens to be a girl and working for Krang. Like a big ass-kicking female Slash** of sorts, who easily gives our boys a run for their money. Go all out with the gnarly-looking alien turtle thing as far as design goes... not a Hollywood pinup design. Enough so that one of our Turtles by default says "he," and this alien pauses and glares at him saying, "Who you calling he?"

And leave any gender signifiers at just that (alongside a good voice, but use a woman with a deeper, strong tone, sort of like a female Nick Slash and suggests "evil alien" well enough) - NO alien/reptile boobs, etc.


**Inspired by Slash only, not just some genderbent version.

I kinda went to see this now. The writers need to look at fan ideas to pull bits if ideas from... they'd get better stories.

Your pitch reminds me of a recent Image Comics reboot of a 90s cheesecake character called Glory:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/31666/2201475-35k6edg.jpg

[Andrew NDB]

God dammit they've even got camel toes

Come for the ninja action, stay for the camel toe.

[Candy Kappa]

OT style mutation, they mutate from baby turtles into adult turtle-human hybrids and their tits grow under the plastron and crush their organs. Well ****, movie over.

Oh man. Now I'm envisioning a short movie ala Birth of Sandman in Spider-Man 3, only a turtle turning into a cheesecake furry (scaly I guess). But she dies at the end.

It's all like "omg it's kinda hot, am I weird, what is this? O HOLY **** her chest crushed her lungs!"

[Cryomancer]

Oh man. Now I'm envisioning a short movie ala Birth of Sandman in Spider-Man 3, only a turtle turning into a cheesecake furry (scaly I guess). But she dies at the end.

It's all like "omg it's kinda hot, am I weird, what is this? O HOLY **** her chest crushed her lungs!"

It could make for an intense body horror scene in a movie, where the mutant would either have to die from it or break their own plastron off violently. But that **** is never gonna happen in a TMNT film, haha.

[Spike Spiegel]

Oh man. Now I'm envisioning a short movie ala Birth of Sandman in Spider-Man 3, only a turtle turning into a cheesecake furry (scaly I guess). But she dies at the end.

It's all like "omg it's kinda hot, am I weird, what is this? O HOLY **** her chest crushed her lungs!"

For some reason this made me think of the abortion scene from Prometheus.

[retr0pia75]

SPOILER: Shredder gets defeated by Donatello throwing her bo directly at his crotch.

[IndigoErth]

SPOILER: Shredder gets defeated by Donatello throwing her bo directly at his crotch.
:lol:

Someone forgot his heavy robo-suit.

[Etsyturtle2]

SPOILER: Shredder gets defeated by Donatello throwing her bo directly at his crotch.

Bhostgusters reference

[snake]

Bhostgusters reference

We know, f*ckface

[Etsyturtle2]

We know, f*ckface

I'm sorry daddy.

[Andrew NDB]

http://img00.deviantart.net/9b5d/i/2013/040/8/7/tmnt_girls_2012_by_propimol-d5ubw4x.jpg

[plastroncafe]

Yeah, not for me.

[IndigoErth]

...a jump rope? That better be either a razor edged jump rope or she's simply not old enough to have her own weapon and go out patrolling with the big girls.


Meh, just give me my boys. If no one had ever heard of TMNT before then the idea of a group of sisters in that kind of series would be cool. But I'm not too big of a fan of taking existing characters or whatnot and doing a "girl version" instead of the girls getting original cool stuff (that isn't stereotypical) of their own.

At best, I could potentially be okay with something more along the lines of what I wish they'd done with the new Ghostbusters and made a continuation, instead of a reboot, where the characters are instead the daughters of the original cast. Obviously though with the Turtles there is a problem in justifying that. Plus I'd miss the focus on them.

I might prefer a group of teen sisters that adult Turtles took under their wing when they're 30s+ and trained them. You wanna mutate one or two of them into something (preferably non-Turtle) at some point, go for it. Then the Turtles can guide them through that, too; being all uncle/dad-like to these kids.

[BubblyShell22]

No I wouldn't want this at all. Leave the Turtles as they are. It's bad enough they brought Venus in and messed that up. Hasn't Bay done enough damage to TMNT? Just leave them alone.

[Andrew NDB]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/J6pHf87W8Ks/maxresdefault.jpg

Hey, side note... whatever happened to talk of "The Expendabelles," the female version of the Expendables? I haven't heard any talk about it in quite some time. Do you think that the Ghostbusters remake flopping has killed it? I was going to post this in the "Female Ghostbusters remake" thread but it looks like it was locked.

[ticktack]

I won't mind, it's just if you're going to make one this time ... and from now on make it with utter respect: design, writing, adressing some social issues on a mutant, freak, teenage, ninja ("ninjas don't show emotion"), female part, living asocial in the sewers(girls won't like it), animal rights & stereotypes etc. [edit] Don't make them appear then be erased in the franchise just because there are female turtles existing, being created.[end of editing]
I don't want a movie on female turtles that made crappily just for the sake of viewership and asks/requests. Just don't make a movie then.

[WebLurker]

Unlike the Ghostbusters movie, I don't think that a female TMNT movie would work. Ghostbusters is heavily tied to the premise of people that go and capture ghosts. That's a premise that you could plug any batch of characters into and make it work. So, the female reboot was within the boundaries of what could be done with their franchise. (I have yet to see the movie, so I can't say whether it was a good movie or not, but the critics seemed to think it wasn't half-bad, so I'm inclined to assume that the fan hatred had more to do with nostalgia for the original than the actual quality of the movie.)

TMNT is tied into the specific characters, so having new characters try and do the same thing looses the point of the story. It's not about characters fighting crime and aliens, it's about these very specific characters doing that.

[IndigoErth]

I'd also very much miss our boys. I'm all for girl power and all that, but the viewer relationship (for lack of a better word) with the characters just wouldn't be the same for me.

Nor am I much of a fan of doing "female versions" of existing stuff rather than giving a bunch of girls an original film that is equally as cool. That's getting kinda old. (I wish someone would write a really good film using entirely gender neutral names for the main characters, go ahead and think in terms of them being guys if it helps the script avoid falling into chick flick stereotypes...then cast some of them as women.)

If they brought in a female turtle, say for an unlikely 3rd Bay film, I'd still much rather they make her some new evil turtle-like alien villain for our guys to fight against. Make her sorta like Slash... alien like '87 Slash (but a recruit of Krang's), and big and gnarly looking like 2012, but more-so; far more animalistic in look and behavior compared to our moderately human-like guys.

[Andrew NDB]

How about this one? No CGI needed.

http://memes.doublie.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/sizzle-album-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-660385363031162880-Twitter.png

[d_osborn]

That reminds me-- a few years ago, I had a nugget of an idea to do a micro-budget, tongue in cheek Troma-esque adaptation of one of the unproduced TMNT 4 scripts. I was wanting to go after a few name porn stars in the skimpy TMNT Halloween costumes, Ron Jeremy as Splinter, and a few other D-list celebs. I have a decent in with Ron, who is a big acting nerd. It would've been fun, but the thought of investing personal finances and dealing with corporate copyright crap was a huge knock against the idea.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Maybe the Ghostbusters can get away with that since it's originally a film, not a comic like TMNT.

[Allio]

boy, if you thought making shredder white caused an uproar

[IndigoErth]

Accurate, I suppose. :roll: If people think PD TMNT leaned too human and more-so than other versions, female counterparts would undoubtedly be even more human-like than the guys, given the nature of how non-human humanoid female characters often tend to be designed in entertainment.

I don't want her in there, but it would be interesting to at least see concept art of what the PD folks would do with Venus were she included. If they resisted trying to give her sex appeal I'd be shocked.

[THGhost]

Not a fan of this idea, but I like the image in the first post. Made me chuckle.

[METALHEAD]

i can dig it.

[mrmaczaps]

Is it time for a female Turtles movie, like the Ghostbusters one? Should there be one?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/a9/72/3a/a9723aa9743ac37535d934e8eafd508a.jpg

I threw up a little. Why would you start a thread like this? Haha

[Ninjinister]

I think I'd be more apt to see it than the Ghostbusters one. I didn't see that one because I honestly have no interest in Ghostbusters these days. The TMNT crossover was about as much as I was willing to give the series.

[Donatello19]

It's already been established in the canon that each turtle incarnation is it's own universe existing in a huge multiverse, so honestly why not? It could be interesting.

[inaheap]

New female turtle characters appearing in a movie, done right, could be cool. The four brothers becoming four sisters. I won't be going to that one.

[ticktack]

Again, the female turtles movie won't be bad, it will move forward the perception and usability of females being starred. That'd be Great! !
((I want a game dedicated around POP T2T Fara's character without fanservice clothing, and her accidentally being used for a plot of kidnapping, let me dream.))

But let us be careful, I don't want it to be made crappily just only because on fan demands that they want a female tmnt, and be designed disrespectfully, avoid ms male characterness (the bow, eyelashes, pink, tiddies, high heels, make ups, long-long hair of the male character) and smurfette principle (the males are normal, while a female is a variety)

sorry if somewhere around my text I'm wording incorrectly.

With Laird, I guess, there would have always been the risk of those female tmnt's never mentioned again.
Don't make them appear then be erased in the franchise just because there are female turtles existing, being created.
But that won't happen in my opinion.

[Shark_Blade]

We could all use a farting queef joke with femme turtles tbh.

[ticktack]

We could all use a farting queef joke with femme turtles tbh.
What the actual crap! With all due respect.

[plastroncafe]

Nah dude, male and female turtles only have the one opening.

[Andrew NDB]

What if there was a new story where it turns out the Turtles just assumed they were all biologically male... but upon closer inspection they learn they've been female this whole time?

[DestronMirage22]

What if there was a new story where it turns out the Turtles just assumed they were all biologically male... but upon closer inspection they learn they've been female this whole time?

That actually happens with real life turtles all the damn time. I learned the true genders of my turtles the hard way. :teek: Turtle reproductive organs are freaky.

[Autbot_Benz]

Andrew should get Paul Feig to direct this movie he can make Melissa Mccarthy Female Kraang's android body :lol:.

[Andrew NDB]

Andrew should get Paul Feig to direct this movie he can make Melissa Mccarthy Female Kraang's android body :lol:.

We should make that happen.

[DisKosh]

It's already been established in the canon that each turtle incarnation is it's own universe existing in a huge multiverse, so honestly why not? It could be interesting.

I'm not sure about the concept but I'd give it a go and as you said, it would just be another universe. The other versions are still out there so if people don't like it, they could just stick with them and ignore this one.

[Turo602]

When did we start hating the Ninja Turtles?

[mrmaczaps]

When did we start hating the Ninja Turtles?

Platinum Dunes...... 2014? Lol.

[Turo602]

Platinum Dunes...... 2014? Lol.

That was different though. That was rape. But wishing this on the TMNT even after they've been sodomized? That's just pure hate.

[DestronMirage22]

Platinum Dunes...... 2014? Lol.

That was different though. That was rape.

Huh, that's actually a pretty accurate way to put it.

[plastroncafe]

I'm not sure about the concept but I'd give it a go and as you said, it would just be another universe. The other versions are still out there so if people don't like it, they could just stick with them and ignore this one.

I have yet to meet a fanboy capable of doing this.
They'd be like...a unicorn.

[Ninjinister]

I have yet to meet a fanboy capable of doing this.
They'd be like...a unicorn.

Fanboy/girls? Maybe not. Just fans? Lots of them. It's hard to quantify the number of people who just ignore/don't talk about things, right?

[Splinter the boss]

I know this thread was made last year, but I just saw it. Anyway I wanna ask: Who would watch a female turtles movie? It's totally bizarre.

[ProphetofGanja]

I wish the poll said "WOULD you watch a gender-swapped TMNT?" cuz yeah, I'd totally give it a shot depending on what the trailers looked like. I'd even read a one-shot or miniseries that explored the idea of female Turtles, female Splinter and Shredder, a dude instead of April (Aaron? Arnold? Some name that starts with an A I guess) and a female Casey. I've actually seen some pretty cool fan-art of all that

[mrmaczaps]

I wish the poll said "WOULD you watch a gender-swapped TMNT?" cuz yeah, I'd totally give it a shot depending on what the trailers looked like. I'd even read a one-shot or miniseries that explored the idea of female Turtles, female Splinter and Shredder, a dude instead of April (Aaron? Arnold? Some name that starts with an A I guess) and a female Casey. I've actually seen some pretty cool fan-art of all that

Not ever series, every single franchise needs to do a gender swapped version of their universe... That's gender swapping for the sake of gender swapping... And that's lame... Had GBs been a continuation of the first two movies, the previous casts kids or wives or some mix that made sense, I think it would have been much better received... And also had it not completely sucked.

[plastroncafe]

Depending on who made it? Probably.
If I saw any familiar names, like people from this thread? Most definitely not.

[Powder]

Anyway I wanna ask: Who would watch a female turtles movie? It's totally bizarre.

I'll watch anything. Paying to watch it, or liking it, are another matter entirely. :trazz:

[sdp]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/Zakiyah/banner2.gif

I would be excited for it unironically.

[IndigoErth]

Push come to shove, if it was between the two options, I'd prefer they just brought Venus in rather than make our boys not our boys. As long as said boys aren't made to act stupid over her. (As if PD Mikey wouldn't be inevitable...)

But actually... Make her one of the turtle-like aliens so she's not just a gender bent version of the guys, but also quite different and so if she sucks then she can just go away after one film.

Though out of morbid curiosity I almost want to know what Hollywood female stereotype monstrosity a PD Venus would be... Also to make many male viewers feel weird about it because she'd inevitably be built like a Victoria's Secret model. :tlol: (Who's accused of checkin' out dem Turtles now, huh? Huh?? LOL)

[THGhost]

When did we start hating the Ninja Turtles?

Platinum Dunes...... 2014? Lol.

The Coming Out Of Their Shells Tour? Next Mutation? A lot of the 80s cartoon? Myūtanto Tātoruzu: Chōjin Densetsu-hen? :tlol:

[Turo602]

The Coming Out Of Their Shells Tour? Next Mutation? A lot of the 80s cartoon? Myūtanto Tātoruzu: Chōjin Densetsu-hen? :tlol:

That's reaching.

[Andrew NDB]

Technically it would have tons of scenes that would pass the Bechdel Test by default. Today's generation of young girls deserve to have their version of the TMNT, too, let's not be selfish!

[plastroncafe]

Technically it would have tons of scenes that would pass the Bechdel Test by default. Today's generation of young girls deserve to have their version of the TMNT, too, let's not be selfish!

9/10
Nicely constructed.

[Andrew NDB]

9/10
Nicely constructed.

I think I wrote that solely because I knew you'd see it. :)

[plastroncafe]

I think I wrote that solely because I knew you'd see it. :)

Which is the only reason you didn't get a 10/10. :D

[Andrew NDB]

Which is the only reason you didn't get a 10/10. :D

Well played, ma'am.

[THGhost]

The Coming Out Of Their Shells Tour? Next Mutation? A lot of the 80s cartoon? Myūtanto Tātoruzu: Chōjin Densetsu-hen? :tlol:

That's reaching.

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/4f/4fc863011613f0078786df9b70cae69e6cdda16de1853edef9 6b6a965a13c8cb.jpg

[Allio]

I just noticed don is flat chested. :neutral:


It's called "justice"

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Maybe if it's set on Earth in parallel reality (similair to the other, but with female Ninja Turtles instead).

[Andrew NDB]

Maybe if it's set on Earth in parallel reality (similair to the other, but with female Ninja Turtles instead).

There could be a nod to the "real" Turtles, sure.

[Andrew NDB]

At least no shell boobs:

https://img00.deviantart.net/3398/i/2013/214/8/c/tmnt_genderbend_by_sugarysymbiote-d6gbxpf.png

[ProphetofGanja]

At least no shell boobs:

https://img00.deviantart.net/3398/i/2013/214/8/c/tmnt_genderbend_by_sugarysymbiote-d6gbxpf.png

Ugh, but still the awful Nick 2012 designs

[neatoman]

At least no shell boobs:

https://img00.deviantart.net/3398/i/2013/214/8/c/tmnt_genderbend_by_sugarysymbiote-d6gbxpf.png

What about cheese grater clevage?
https://orig00.deviantart.net/8aa1/f/2013/199/8/9/tmnt_rule_63_parade_shreder_by_chochi-d6e44se.jpg

[ProphetofGanja]

What about cheese grater clevage?
https://orig00.deviantart.net/8aa1/f/2013/199/8/9/tmnt_rule_63_parade_shreder_by_chochi-d6e44se.jpg

I think a female Shredder would be more a fan of spandex than whatever silky-looking material that is; even if she wanted to be sexy there would be way too much jiggling to make fighting practical in that get-up

[Andrew NDB]

Huh. Who knew there were so many female Shredders? Like, it appears to be a big thing.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bf/6b/dd/bf6bddf260f09d7e78a337d885bc20f6.jpg

http://photos.costume-works.com/full/female_shredder.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a7/70/a2/a770a292839816758682649d15cf62fe.jpg

http://project-nerd.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Female-Shredder-Cosplay-2.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/c5/af/1a/c5af1a992e3db8d3d9dd2afd9541bd67--ninja-turtle-costumes-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles.jpg

https://img00.deviantart.net/75fe/i/2014/354/8/3/fem_shredder_cosplay_by_suspicioustumbleweed-d8akqvs.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/37/67/ac/3767ac1696323a1cfb02b92f6f7e0cc3.jpg

https://www.oddee.com/wp-content/uploads/_media/imgs/articles2/a99774_DSCN7271.JPG

https://farm1.static.flickr.com/300/19740818826_d298896dee_b.jpg

https://img00.deviantart.net/df63/i/2013/230/b/5/t_m_n_t___fem__shredder__6__shelle_chii__by_ailesn oir-d6h7m2h.jpg

[plastroncafe]

And they're still all wearing more clothing than Pimiko.

This is what happens when your canon is a sausage fest,

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

And they're still all wearing more clothing than Pimiko.

This is what happens when your canon is a sausage fest,

I was about to say, THAT'S OROKU PIMIKO!!!! WOOHOO!!!! Andrew, Powder, and I are not the only fans of the one true daughter of Oroku Saki! :trazz:

Seriously, are there only like 3 people who care about Pimiko? And want Karai to lose the "Oroku" surname and go back to being an independent badass?

[ProphetofGanja]

Seriously, are there only like 3 people who care about Pimiko? And want Karai to lose the "Oroku" surname and go back to being an independent badass?

Yup. :lol:

[plastroncafe]

I was about to say, THAT'S OROKU PIMIKO!!!! WOOHOO!!!! Andrew, Powder, and I are not the only fans of the one true daughter of Oroku Saki! :trazz:

Seriously, are there only like 3 people who care about Pimiko? And want Karai to lose the "Oroku" surname and go back to being an independent badass?

Well, let's not get ahead of ourselves here.
Just because I know the character's name does not mean that I am a fan of her.

In fact I couldn't really tell you much of anything about her except for the fact that she was Saki's daughter and her tits were always hanging out.

Her character design is one of the reasons why I stopped reading Image Comics back when they were running monthly.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Well, let's not get ahead of ourselves here.
Just because I know the character's name does not mean that I am a fan of her.

In fact I couldn't really tell you much of anything about her except for the fact that she was Saki's daughter and her tits were always hanging out.

Her character design is one of the reasons why I stopped reading Image Comics back when they were running monthly.

:tlol: That's why I didn't include you in my list, PC.

If Marvel can give Scarlet Witch much more practical clothing in their movies and later comics, and Fox can give Mystique... wait, bad example. If DC can give Harley Qui--another bad example.

If Marvel can give Scarlet Witch much more practical clothing in their movies and current comics, than why can't Pimiko get brought back and given a tactical/stealth outfit to replace her 90's grunge BDSM gear? :trazz:

[plastroncafe]

:tlol: That's why I didn't include you in my list, PC.

If Marvel can give Scarlet Witch much more practical clothing in their movies and later comics, and Fox can give Mystique... wait, bad example. If DC can give Harley Qui--another bad example.

If Marvel can give Scarlet Witch much more practical clothing in their movies and current comics, than why can't Pimiko get brought back and given a tactical/stealth outfit to replace her 90's grunge BDSM gear? :trazz:

This is why you're among my favorites.

[Andrew NDB]

https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/a/a0/Tumblr_n9osx66qpp1r5dm0so5_1280.jpg

[neatoman]

https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/a/a0/Tumblr_n9osx66qpp1r5dm0so5_1280.jpg

Is this a pic for ants?

[IndigoErth]

Pie..?

Only vaguely know the name, sorry. But would be open to seeing her show up, so long as she isn't looking like some hooker. Bring her back as Shredder's daughter and have Karai still around as one of his right hand people... Could open some nice power struggle between the women. (Really though, what's with the pie? lol)



Yes, lots of female Shredders. Though I appreciate a least one actually felt that just being a women in a 'true' Shredder costume was all she really needed to be female Shredder. (The couple full-on porn parody-looking ones can go play in traffic.)

[Andrew NDB]

Bring her back as Shredder's daughter and have Karai still around as one of his right hand people

Why? Why not leave Karai as his superior, as always intended?

[Candy Kappa]

I wish we'd get Pimiko back in another incarnation, so Karai don't have to be Shredder's underling. cause I really dislike that change to Karai, she should be something bigger then Saki and be his superior in both station in the Clan and age.

[Andrew NDB]

Her character design is one of the reasons why I stopped reading Image Comics back when they were running monthly.

What about Radical's design? In a black and white comic, it looks like she's basically running around, flying around completely naked.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3181/2884634466_88bb5bee95_b.jpg

[plastroncafe]

What about Radical's design? In a black and white comic, it looks like she's basically running around, flying around completely naked.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3181/2884634466_88bb5bee95_b.jpg

I'm sure she's completely naked under that full-coverage body suit.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/3/35/Complete_Carnage_and_Radical.jpg

[ProphetofGanja]

I'm sure she's completely naked under that full-coverage body suit.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/3/35/Complete_Carnage_and_Radical.jpg

Well underneath our clothes aren't we all naked?

[plastroncafe]

Well underneath our clothes aren't we all naked?

....sometimes.
https://m.popkey.co/e9ca05/pZqEk.gif

[IndigoErth]

Why? Why not leave Karai as his superior, as always intended?
You'll have to forgive not being familiar with her as a superior...

Seriously? I do like that idea more. Though, sad to say, given marketing, I can see why it hasn't been a thing in the TMNT stuff I'm more familiar with...

[drag0nfeathers]

... I would totally pimp one of those female Shredder cosplays... That might need to be my next cosplay now...

[DestronMirage22]

I was about to say, THAT'S OROKU PIMIKO!!!! WOOHOO!!!! Andrew, Powder, and I are not the only fans of the one true daughter of Oroku Saki! :trazz:

Seriously, are there only like 3 people who care about Pimiko? And want Karai to lose the "Oroku" surname and go back to being an independent badass?

Hey, you guys aren’t the only ones.
I’ve always liked Pimiko and wanted to see her appear in another version. I liked the relationship that was starting between her and Raph, and I would love to see another version of her actually get to interact with her father (there’d definitely be some interesting conflict there).
(Also, am I the only one who actually sorta likes her costume? Yeah, it’s pretty ridiculous and over-the-top, but this was the 90’s after all)

As for Karai, she was definitely a much more interesting character in Mirage than Shredder ever was. And she absolutely rocked in City At War.
It’s a shame that every version since then has made her into Shredder’s underling, when it’s quite the opposite.

[Sumac]

Not sure, if I am keen on this idea.
How about creating some new characters instead changing the old ones?

[newfan]

I've read up a little on the original and various versions so far but I didn't realise karai was a superior and also older than Shredder, course if that's how people got to know her I can see why they'd like that still, I don't think I would like Karai too old. I've read about her being a high ranking foot member, Shredders adoptive daughter and I think even adopted granddaughter (I guess he was very old in whatever version that was)

I didn't realise Shredder had a real daughter, did they decide just to mix the 2 characters so came up with a younger Karai who was not a true daughter?

So, Shredder was killed early in Mirage, was he? When did he first make a come back as the main villain?

[Candy Kappa]

Shredder was killled off in the very first issue.

[newfan]

Shredder was killled off in the very first issue.

He must have made a good impression in that case :)

[Andrew NDB]

I've read up a little on the original and various versions so far but I didn't realise karai was a superior and also older than Shredder, course if that's how people got to know her I can see why they'd like that still, I don't think I would like Karai too old. I've read about her being a high ranking foot member, Shredders adoptive daughter and I think even adopted granddaughter (I guess he was very old in whatever version that was)

I didn't realise Shredder had a real daughter, did they decide just to mix the 2 characters so came up with a younger Karai who was not a true daughter?

So, Shredder was killed early in Mirage, was he? When did he first make a come back as the main villain?

Mirage doesn't have a "main villain."

[sdp]

Mirage doesn't have a "main villain."

Peter Laird.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

The actual Shredder never appeared after issue 1, only his clones in the famous Return to New York volumes. It was the Original Cartoon that made him a regular.

The closest thing I'd consider to a main villain in Mirage tmnt is Savanti Romero but even he doesn't fully qualify for that role.

Peter Laird.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[CyberCubed]

All the Mirage characters were one-shots or short lived, or immediately became allies:

1. Shredder dies in the first issue. His clones come for 2 arcs and then die.

2. Baxter was originally just a one-shot character in issue 2 with the Mousers. Then Volume 2 brought him back as a cyborg and then that was pretty much the end of him besides a cameo in Volume 4.

3. Rat King is killed off in his first issue, he then becomes a spiritual ghost in a few follow up issues.

4. Karai is only a villain for like half an issue where she fights Leonardo, she quickly forms a truce with the Turtles and never bothers them again.

5. Leatherhead again immediately befriended the Turtles in his first issue. He appears a lot more times but always as a hero besides when his temper makes him attack the Turtles.

6. The Utroms were always good, there was no Krang, they immediately befriend the Turtles and then return to their home planet. There is a small evil sect of Utroms in the second Tales but only for a few issues.

7. The Triceratons have their arc in Turtles in Space, we see them briefly in Volume 2 and Tales, but then in Volume 4 they're pretty much allies.


The closest Mirage had to a recurring villain was Savanti Romero. He constantly showed up with evil schemes over and over again and Renet had to ally with the Turtles to stop him.

Besides that all the other bad guys in Mirage are just generic gangsters, random aliens, some monsters, or robots. Just one-shot characters defeated in a single issue.

[sdp]

The OT, in fact the OT cemented almost everything (most of us)we like about the turtles.

[newfan]

The OT, in fact the OT cemented almost everything (most of us)we like about the turtles.

Sorry was that in response to my question? I deleted it sorry.

Edit: But Cubed re-posted below :)

[CyberCubed]

So when did Shredder first become a main villain? The OT or another comic series? I could google dates of when other comics started but it's easier to ask seen as I'm here.

Well he debuted in the very first TMNT issue so he was basically viewed as the main villain even if he died off. The Foot Clan then clone Shredder to bring him back to life, and the Shredder clone (and we see the reject clones, that's where the 4-armed Shredder, the small one, and the one with lobster claws that both the Nick and 4kids series used) come from as well.

The original cartoon is what established Shredder as a main villain, then of course based Krang off the designs of the Utroms and went from there.

Keep in mind this all happened close together. The first Mirage TMNT comic came out in 1984, the original cartoon started in 1987 only three years later. Since Shredder was tied to Hamato Yoshi and Splinter's backstory, as well as the leader of the Foot Clan, it made sense to use him as the main villain for the cartoons.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Depends on whether you see it as canon or not, but the shogun from tmnt Odyssey could be a main villain since "he was there all along".

[CyberCubed]

Shredder and the Foot debut in issue 1 of Mirage:

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ec/12/08/ec1208d5e4a33fadad6d080381209c43--cool-tattoos-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles.jpg

It's pretty funny how closely Fred Wolf Shredder's design is to the Mirage comic one, only difference is they gave him a cape and made him wear grey rather than red.

The helmet and gauntlets are identical.

[***First of Two Latin Kings***]

Peter Laird.

Are you saying Peter Laird was the main villain? :tlol:

[neatoman]

Are you saying Peter Laird was the main villain? :tlol:

Nah, that would be Fred Wolf and his lawyers.

[Xav]

The Foot Clan then clone Shredder to bring him back to life, and the Shredder clone (and we see the reject clones, that's where the 4-armed Shredder, the small one, and the one with lobster claws that both the Nick and 4kids series used) come from as well.Those guys weren't actually clones though, they were mutated foot soldiers in Shredder armor.

[Andrew NDB]

Nah, that would be Fred Wolf and his lawyers.

SURGE Licensing, I say.

How about these ladies?

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/51/df/77/51df7777b2d11ec68cb877df0bbf68f0.jpg

[Shark_Blade]

Turtle breasts, turtle breasts everywhere.

[bwwd]

troll thread :) but i guess it works and people comment

[neatoman]

SURGE Licensing, I say.

How about these ladies?

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/51/df/77/51df7777b2d11ec68cb877df0bbf68f0.jpg

Would you also use the artist's other designs?
https://orig00.deviantart.net/e883/f/2013/199/1/1/tmnt_rule_63_parade_abel_by_chochi-d6e472g.jpg
https://orig00.deviantart.net/d3f7/f/2013/199/d/2/tmnt_rule_63_parade_cassie_jones_by_chochi-d6e47q1.jpg

[Leonardo_thebest]

I like the style the artist uses, but I'm not a big supporter of shell boobs.

[Andrew NDB]

http://acpcosplayers.acparadise.com/80821/80821-4ba0a81d2466f99339a8b54c4da0e620.jpg

[IndigoErth]

I'm scared.

Although general objection aside, the girl Leo mask is kinda cool. (Sans whatever is going on with the mask tails.)

[Andrew NDB]

Can we cast the movie? My vote is Amy Schumer for Leonardo, Michelle Wolf for Raphael, Samantha Bee for Michelangelo, and Sarah Silverman for Donatello. Leslie Jones for Splinter, maybe the voice of Melissa McCarthy for Splinter.

[Egon1982]

Turtle breasts, turtle breasts everywhere.

No different than Mona Lisa's lizard tits.

[Candy Kappa]

Michelle Wolf could do a good R63 FW Raph, Silverman as Donnie? sure. The others not as much.

[Leo656]

Can we cast the movie? My vote is Amy Schumer for Leonardo, Michelle Wolf for Raphael, Samantha Bee for Michelangelo, and Sarah Silverman for Donatello. Leslie Jones for Splinter, maybe the voice of Melissa McCarthy for Splinter.

SO what you're saying is... you want me to put you in the Camel Clutch, forever?

Because that's what happens when you espouse these kinds of things.
1. Suplex on your head
2. Camel Clutch, break your back
3. Make Humble, Old Country Way

I don't make the rules. Sheiky-Baba makes the rules. A-to-the-Z.
https://static1.fjcdn.com/comments/Fakin++_371ecfd82ef83a87793eaa4bf0e71497.jpg

[Andrew NDB]

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2013-10/enhanced/webdr01/8/12/enhanced-buzz-15236-1381248924-17.jpg

Can we even rule this out, the way things are going lately?

[Sumac]

No, and when it fails it will blamed on "white males" or "tired property". Like all those failed female centered reboots.

[IndigoErth]

Yes, it's November, you can rule out Halloween costumes now.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Female TMNT fan here.

NO.

I am sick of all the gender swapping. Photoshopping boobs on a traditionally male character doesn’t impress me, nor will it persuade me to buy their product.

I ain’t that shallow.

[NeonTurtledude]

seeing a turtles movie that focuses on already established female characters (April,Irma,Karai etc) would be cool

as for gender swap? it would work more as an episode or short than a movie, where the main turtles meet the fem turtles or alternatively the main turtles meet venus, if the Fred wolf turtles were able to meet the 2003 and 2012 turtles, it would be interesting to see how they'd react to venus.

[Andrew NDB]

seeing a turtles movie that focuses on already established female characters (April,Irma,Karai etc) would be cool

I'm sure that would have a stellar box office.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Female TMNT fan here.

NO.

I am sick of all the gender swapping. Photoshopping boobs on a traditionally male character doesn’t impress me, nor will it persuade me to buy their product.

I ain’t that shallow.

I wish there were more of this, more people who felt this way. Then maybe hollywood would stop replacing the Luke Skywalkers of pop culture with the Rey Palapatines.

Why oh why whenever there is a hit IP, Hollywood seeks to 'improve' it with a gender flip. More original female characters please, like Pheobe from ghostbusters afterlife, or Battle Angel Alita from her manga.

[Monty Mole]

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if it happened.

[Cowabung-Gal]

I wish there were more of this, more women who felt this way. Then maybe hollywood would stop replacing the Luke Skywalkers of pop culture with the Rey Palapatines

There are more of us than you think. But whenever we do speak up, we get shot down and even called self-loathing women who are struggling with internalized misogyny. In other words, to them, we are a bunch o’ Suzy Homemakers.

:trolleye:

[Sumac]

SJW brand of Feminism is incredibly demeaning to women and treats them like brainless babies who can't and should not make any step without their "Glorious White KNIGHTS" advising any minutiae details of their lives from how to speak to how to behave and dress in public.
And everyone who are do not agree to that are "traitors".

Not much a difference from "incels" or hardcore Christians and Muslims, which are more or less the same thing.

[IndigoErth]

Photoshopping boobs on a traditionally male character doesn’t impress me, nor will it persuade me to buy their product.
Gender swapping itself is so lazy and, as a woman, I find it insulting that some would rather just swap a character's gender rather than put in the effort of creating equally cool female characters that everyone will like without it having to be a movie specifically "for women."

Also annoyingly weird with animal based characters, esp reptiles. Male character... basic regular animal-based humanoid. Female character... lets make sure to slap a bunch of human crap on there so the stupid audience will understand that it's a girl! We can't possibly just establish that in the beginning then trust them to remember an hour into it.


I'd rather not see Venus in live action. Had the PD movies continued and they brought her in eventually, I might have laughed my ass off over some male fans uncomfortably trying not to look (or openly hypocritically looking), because you know Bay & Co. would HAVE to try to make a girl Turtle sexy, but aside from that amusing detail...I'd have to pass.

And anyone who'd gender swap the guys (random harmless fanart aside) aught to be burned at the stake. As a woman...yeah, you likely relate to fave male characters in a different way than if they were women. I prefer wanting to snuggle a certain man Turtle to pieces, don't ruin that.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

There are more of us than you think. But whenever we do speak up, we get shot down and even called self-loathing women who are struggling with internalized misogyny. In other words, to them, we are a bunch o’ Suzy Homemakers.

:trolleye:

Another sign our culture has gone straight down the sewer. Let's hope more of those 'activists' get some logic and intelligence, before our society drowns in it's own ignorance. And let's hope we never get official gender-swapped TMNT.

[Galactus]

There are more of us than you think. But whenever we do speak up, we get shot down and even called self-loathing women who are struggling with internalized misogyny. In other words, to them, we are a bunch o’ Suzy Homemakers.

:trolleye:

Did you just join here to instigate discussions on your right wing political views.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Did you just join here to instigate discussions on your right wing political views.

Who are you, McCarthy?

[Galactus]

Who are you, McCarthy?

The McCarthy hearings were meant to out and black list communists so in this context I'm the opposite.

[Cowabung-Gal]

The McCarthy hearings were meant to out and black list communists so in this context I'm the opposite.

You know there’s this thing called “sarcasm”…

Chill.

[Sumac]

Did you just join here to instigate discussions on your right wing political views.
Apparently when women stand up for themselves, it is "right wing".
Nice to see what you really standing up for, incel.

[Galactus]

Apparently when women stand up for themselves, it is "right wing".
Nice to see what you really standing up for, incel.

I've seen their posts around and I don't think she'd deny they were right wing. Users who use every post to insert right wing politics into everything is extremely tedious.

Also I'm not sure how the existence of an all-female TMNT movie (which is not happening and never will) is putting women down.

[Andrew NDB]

I've seen their posts around and I don't think she'd deny they were right wing. Users who use every posts to insert right wing politics into everything is exterm sky tedious.

You seem to be on a kick with this now? Just noticing.

[Sumac]

I've seen their posts around and I don't think she'd deny they were right wing. Users who use every post to insert right wing politics into everything is extremely tedious.
By itself what she had said is not right wing in any way. But since her idea opposes your "glorious" fanfic about "left wing world" you need to do a hard asspull and pretend it is "right wing", like a typical loser who cares about winning argument at all cost, even at the cost of the sanity and logic.

Also I'm not sure how the existence of an all-female TMNT movie (which is not happening and never will) is putting women down.
Meaningless pandering to women, as if they are lesser creatures who can't empathize with characters who are not created specifically for them at any point, is apparently progressive.

OK, incel, thanks for sharing your opinion.
I hope your GF's boyfriend appreciates it too.

Also, just a reminder - when it comes to the fanfic writers there are more women than men, when it comes to TMNT, so apparently women are OK with this story being about 4 men. But I wonder why some men, believe that women are not OK with it? Maybe those men are not sure about their masculinity?

[Cowabung-Gal]

Also I'm not sure how the existence of an all-female TMNT movie (which is not happening and never will) is putting women down.

Guess I need to repeat myself:

Genderbending a traditionally male character is a lazy attempt at diversity. And it’s insulting to assume that every woman would immediately go for it like a rabbit going for a dangling carrot.

Am I supposed to stay silent and just take it like a good Handmaid? Huh?

[Galactus]

Meaningless pandering to women, as if they are lesser creatures who can't empathize with characters who are not created specifically for them at any point, is apparently progressive.

Okay. Here we go:

From a creative standpoint taking something traditionally male and turning it on it's head and exploring what a female version would be like is one of the most consistent tropes in modern fiction.

From a commercial perspective taking something which is traditionally male and seeing if it can appeal to girls and/or women by adding in female elements or flat out making a female version of it is has been the main business strategy for franchises since intellectual properties have been franchised. Now if you're a woman and say that you've never needed female or feminine things present in property for you to like it that's great but the vast amount of market research shows that this is something that consistently works. This is why we have Mary Marvel, Supergirl, Batgirl and She-Ra to name a few important characters. Wonder Woman was created as a female answer to Superman and while she's never sold many comics I imagine DC didn't care when the movie came out was a huge hit. Disney rakes a small fortune with Minnie Mouse merchandise - far more than they will ever likely make out of Mickey ever again.

People used to understand and accept this before some slick ass holes hit on the idea that disaffected people could be politically weaponised by convincing them that instead of doing what has been proven to be profitable that major corporations are deliberately destroying their own popular IPs for some sinister left agenda.

Also, just a reminder - when it comes to the fanfic writers there are more women than men, when it comes to TMNT, so apparently women are OK with this story being about 4 men. But I wonder why some men, believe that women are not OK with it? Maybe those men are not sure about their masculinity?

I don't follow the fan fiction scene so I'll take your word for it but no one is even talking about a female version of TMNT. That's why people getting upset about this are dumb.

[IMJ]

I remember in the thick of the counter-culture mania a few years back this this purple-hair that I've known since forever found her rage-outlet and ran with it. She routinely argued how oppressive and sexist it was that women who wear armor in pop-culture had accompanying chests molded into their armor to be more form fitting. That was literally her big stand in life. She's since settled down a bit, bored with years of bull$#!( back in some small Wisconsin town raising her kid to be successful at life, I'm sure.

The point? I could see a female turtle movie actually getting made, making no money at all and when it flops the remaining purple-hairs of the Mary Sue go on about how the movie was oppressive because the female turtles were sexualized with breasts in their design. Meanwhile every normal woman on Earth, comfortable with the fact that women have chests simply don't go see the movie because pop-culture gender-swaps aren't actually "diversity" but rather infiltrative assaults.

[Sumac]

From a creative standpoint taking something traditionally male and turning it on it's head and exploring what a female version would be like is one of the most consistent tropes in modern fiction.
And most of the time it flops. You had conveniently forgot this part.

Also, two things to consider:
- most of the time its just creatively bankrupt decision driven by marketing for the sake of money;
- most of the time it is badly executed and newly created female character ends up being a dead weight;

There are very few, if any, attempts to take male-centric franchise and turn into female-centric one for the sake of exploration of what it would look from female-centric point of view.

Even when it happens or proclaimed so, those attempts are misguided and stupid, because, they operate on the same set of tropes and stereotypes as any other work, so they are either not different from previous works, except the lead(s) are now women or they end up as a parody and worst example of GRRRRRRRRL power, like Terminator: Dark Flop in some parts.

From a commercial perspective taking something which is traditionally male and seeing if it can appeal to girls and/or women by adding in female elements or flat out making a female version of it is has been the main business strategy for franchises since intellectual properties have been franchised.
And most of the time it had failed, since you need to change so much about OG franchise that it stops appealing to anyone.

Now if you're a woman and say that you've never needed female or feminine things present in property for you to like it that's great but the vast amount of market research shows that this is something that consistently works.
It is not what Cowabung-Gal argues about. Of course, you had conveniently "misunderstood / ignored" that, because, you can't build your argument without asspulls and lies.

No-one says that women do not want representation in media. Its just they want GOOD representation, which is not built on top of inverting male-centric character franchises or build on retarded tropes like GRRRRL power and Mary Sues.

Also, ones that don't try to present women with traditional masculine stereotypes essentially hinting that feminine stereotypes are bad, worthless and don't fit heroes.

This is why we have Mary Marvel, Supergirl, Batgirl and She-Ra to name a few important characters. Wonder Woman was created as a female answer to Superman and while she's never sold many comics I imagine DC didn't care when the movie came out was a huge hit. Disney rakes a small fortune with Minnie Mouse merchandise - far more than they will ever likely make out of Mickey ever again.
You, know, if you are OK with manager mandated female clones of pre-existing male characters its cool and everything, its just most people want something more interesting. Like, I don't know, original characters with independent interesting storylines and the like?

I mean, it is a lot to ask in the age, when raceswapping characters is considered to be a BIG RACE TOWARDS PROGRESS, but still.

Also, Wonder Woman was created by a kinky psychologist, who most likely worked his personal psychological kinks through writing Wonder Woman, besides, creating female equivalent to the Superman. But he probably the only guy who can be on the list of people who genuinely cared about proper female representation in media, kinks and all.

And, Batgirl is a bad example as she was introduced as a female love interest to Robin to deflect accusations about Batman and Robin Homosexual relationship. She was created as being completely opposite of female empowerment.

As for Minnie and Mickey, you know, that Mickey is Dinsey's mascot as a whole and recognizable basically everywhere? If you think it is not monetization, I don't know what to tell you...

You basically take whatever arguments and pull them through the grinder to make them "remotely" fitting whatever you are arguing for. Which means you lack conviction and real arguments.

Your token recitations of "modern progressivism for dummies" are useless.

People used to understand and accept this before some slick ass holes hit on the idea that disaffected people could be politically weaponised by convincing them that instead of doing what has been proven to be profitable that major corporations are deliberately destroying their own popular IPs for some sinister left agenda.
So, you are literally arguing that, when people are trying to convince others that pandering build only for the sake of monetary interests, is bad and they deserve better, is horrible and that people should care about interests of poor corporations?

Amazing.
You are not only incel, but you also a corporate shill.
Hopefully you will have a fulfilling sleep, because, I can't imagine how someone twisting himself in a pretzel just to pretend he is on a good side of history can have one.

I don't follow the fan fiction scene so I'll take your word for it but no one is even talking about a female version of TMNT. That's why people getting upset about this are dumb.
On contrary: it proves there is no need for female turtles, because, fandom already have plenty of female fans as it is.
You sound like those PR managers, who propose various hair-brained schemes to increase audience purely to show-off your skills to the CEO, even when it is clear there is no need for it.

I remember in the thick of the counter-culture mania a few years back this this purple-hair that I've known since forever found her rage-outlet and ran with it. She routinely argued how oppressive and sexist it was that women who wear armor in pop-culture had accompanying chests molded into their armor to be more form fitting. That was literally her big stand in life. She's since settled down a bit, bored with years of bull$#!( back in some small Wisconsin town raising her kid to be successful at life, I'm sure.

The point? I could see a female turtle movie actually getting made, making no money at all and when it flops the remaining purple-hairs of the Mary Sue go on about how the movie was oppressive because the female turtles were sexualized with breasts in their design. Meanwhile every normal woman on Earth, comfortable with the fact that women have chests simply don't go see the movie because pop-culture gender-swaps aren't actually "diversity" but rather infiltrative assaults.
That is funny how modern "progressives" exist in that constant "meandering" state, where their ideology encourages people to be true to themselves, yet, at the same time it encourages people to be dissatisfied with who they are.

It is almost like its encourages people to create problems out of nothing, because, the rest of their problems are non-existing.

And about female armor....if your setting allows dragons and magic, then **** this person is complaining about impractical armor!?

[IMJ]

That is funny how modern "progressives" exist in that constant "meandering" state, where their ideology encourages people to be true to themselves, yet, at the same time it encourages people to be dissatisfied with who they are.

This combination of words is the most highly-processed and articulate statement of observational wisdom I've seen you post in the years I've been here, hand's down.

Your single sentence was a Master's class in that aspect of socio-pathology. I feel like it belongs in conversation amongst other educational groups that are not the Technodrome forums.

-fist bump for Sumac-

[Cowabung-Gal]

I want more Buffy and less Captain Marvel. Buffy is an exciting and compelling character; Captain Marvel isn't. I've never had a problem with female protagonists in my fiction. In the past, there was a reason for including the female character that didn't amount to a walking vagina. We used to get exciting characters that happened to be women - Being a woman wasn't their defining characteristic. I want entertainment, not 'representation.'

If you're watching a tv show or movie, and you're counting the number of females present without being enthralled by the story, then the story probably isn't that good.

“See? Billy Idol gets it. I don’t know why she doesn’t get it.”

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

“See? Billy Idol gets it. I don’t know why she doesn’t get it.”
You are so right here. Quality of story is not determined by Quantity of members of various demographics in said story. Quality of Story is good writing, good directing, decent actors, and a good script.

[Andrew NDB]

https://i.ibb.co/MyzHhVZJ/741643257-919955111122160-3717432358326809647-n.jpg

[ToTheNines]

spd got in shape!

[IndigoErth]

spd got in shape!

Wasn't drinking anything but still did a mental spit take.

[sdp]

I always knew Venus was black-coded. That's why I always felt represented by her.

[CyberCubed]

I thought Venus was literally chinese, lol. Wasn't her real name Mei Pei Chi?