Fox and Marvel to possibly announce a Fantastic Four Partnership

[TigerClaw]

Take this with a grain of salt, but rumor has it that Fox and Marvel will announce a Fantastic Four Partnership at Comic Con, so there's the possibility of Marvel Studios making a Fantastic Four movie with Fox.
http://www.screengeek.net/2016/07/12/rumor-marvel-to-announce-fantastic-four-partnership-with-fox-at-comic-con/

[Andrew NDB]

Take this with a grain of salt, but rumor has it that Fox and Marvel will announce a Fantastic Four Partnership at Comic Con, so there's the possibility of Marvel Studios making a Fantastic Four movie for Fox.
http://www.screengeek.net/2016/07/12/rumor-marvel-to-announce-fantastic-four-partnership-with-fox-at-comic-con/

Pretty sure this deal has been sealed for a while now. Marvel really, really wants Galactus. Notice how the "Hellfire" show has quietly become a full-fledged X-Men show today? No way would Marvel give the thumbs up unless they're getting something comparable in return.

[Spike Spiegel]

The writer of that article seems to be on the fence about this, but I think Marvel will recast the Four.

The old (new?) cast wouldn't do much besides remind everyone of that terrible movie.

Especially Miles Teller.

[Andrew NDB]

The writer of that article seems to be on the fence about this, but I think Marvel will recast the Four.

Of course they will. They pretty much have to, with Michael B. Jordan already signed onto Black Panther as the villain (which was very savvy casting of Marvel, tying Fox's hands).

[retr0pia75]

I'd hate to be a Debbie Downer, but I honestly doubt that this will happen. After last year's crap-heap, I don't think ANYONE is going to want to see ANYTHING involving the FF. Plus, Marvel themselves have stated six months ago that they won't be doing anything with them for a while, and I'm pretty sure that they wouldn't go back on their word so quickly.

[Andrew NDB]

I'd hate to be a Debbie Downer, but I honestly doubt that this will happen. After last year's crap-heap, I don't think ANYONE is going to want to see ANYTHING involving the FF. Plus, Marvel themselves have stated six months ago that they won't be doing anything with them for a while, and I'm pretty sure that they wouldn't go back on their word so quickly.

They'll get to FF eventually. In the mean time, as part of the package deal they get Galactus... which means they have somewhere to go after Thanos is put down.

[Spike Spiegel]

Just curious, have there been any film or tv adaptations of the FF that aren't generally considered bad or mediocre?

[retr0pia75]

Just curious, have there been any film or tv adaptations of the FF that aren't generally considered bad or mediocre?
Well...there was that one radio drama where Bill Murray voiced Johnny. That was actually really good.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Just curious, have there been any film or tv adaptations of the FF that aren't generally considered bad or mediocre?

Sadly the closest I think the FF have been to being portrayed well in TV/film is in The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes. Never in a show of their own have they been able to shine.

[raph27]

I know Marvel's wanted this forever. Gotta get those Galactus rights. I hope it's true, the FF would be great in the MCU.

[TigerClaw]

I know Marvel's wanted this forever. Gotta get those Galactus rights. I hope it's true, the FF would be great in the MCU.
Wouldn't that also come with the Skrulls? they are major marvel villains and often associated with FF.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Wouldn't that also come with the Skrulls? they are major marvel villains and often associated with FF.

The problem with the Skrulls is that I feel like Marvel already played the "well-known characters are secret agents" card in Winter Soldier. Plus we already had an alien invasion in the first Avengers. But if they can figure out something different to do with them - like a Kree-Skrull War - that'd be flippin' awesome to have in the MCU.

[Spike Spiegel]

The problem with the Skrulls is that I feel like Marvel already played the "well-known characters are secret agents" card in Winter Soldier. Plus we already had an alien invasion in the first Avengers. But if they can figure out something different to do with them - like a Kree-Skrull War - that'd be flippin' awesome to have in the MCU.

Story and plot wise, that would make for some great fallout from the upcoming Captain Marvel movie.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

The bigger question is... where is RICK JONES?? He plays a big role in that storyline.

He's been with the Avengers since day one in the comics and no one ever seems to pay attention to him!

[Spike Spiegel]

The bigger question is... where is RICK JONES?? He plays a big role in that storyline.

He's been with the Avengers since day one in the comics and no one ever seems to pay attention to him!

Yeah, I don't think he was even mentioned in the Hulk movie.

[NinjaPug]

Marvel shares the film rights to the Skrulls now. A Secret Invasion storyline would be awesome.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Yeah, I don't think he was even mentioned in the Hulk movie.

He wasn't. He was kind of the guy who gelled all the Avengers together, and I guess that role was replaced by Coulson. :ohwell:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm convinced this will happen, but I'm also pretty sure Marvel will wait another year or so to announce this; closer to the end of Phase 3.

Of course they will. They pretty much have to, with Michael B. Jordan already signed onto Black Panther as the villain (which was very savvy casting of Marvel, tying Fox's hands).

... :teek: I never realized that, but you're absolutely right!!! :teek:

[Spike Spiegel]

He wasn't. He was kind of the guy who gelled all the Avengers together, and I guess that role was replaced by Coulson. :ohwell:

Is everyone still convinced he died in the Battle of New York?

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Is everyone still convinced he died in the Battle of New York?

I've never heard of plans to bring him back into the MCU. Even the actor for the character doubts it, unfortunately.

Apparently it's because the guy who runs Marvel television (Ike Perlmutter) and the guy who runs Marvel films (Kevin Feige) hate each other.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Is everyone still convinced he died in the Battle of New York?

I hope so!

[Spike Spiegel]

I hope so!

It just seems like Stark or Romanoff would have figured it out.

Or maybe Coulson would have told Banner or Cap. Given what happened in Civil War we know that
Steve Rogers has been keeping at least one major secret for years.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It just seems like Stark or Romanoff would have figured it out.

Or maybe Coulson would have told Banner or Cap. Given what happened in Civil War we know that
Steve Rogers has been keeping at least one major secret for years.

I'll give you that. Widow would probably have figured it out...

Still. I prefer Coulson dead. And I prefer Quicksilver alive. Marvel just won't let me win. :tlol:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Huh. Hellfire Club fell through, new show in the works (as Andrew alluded);

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/new-x-men-tv-series-from-matt-nix-and-bryan-singer-in-development-hellfire-a143383

[NinjaPug]

Huh. Hellfire Club fell through, new show in the works (as Andrew alluded);

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/new-x-men-tv-series-from-matt-nix-and-bryan-singer-in-development-hellfire-a143383

He'll executive produce with Bryan Singer, Lauren Shuler Donner, Simon Kinberg

Nope nope nope

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Nope nope nope

yup. still the same hacks at the wheel. :tlol:

[chrisdude]

Fantastic Four may not have been a well-paced, or well-directed film, but I'd definitely prefer to see a continuation of that story. But, it would be great to see Reed Richards in the MCU. I'd really like to see the Illuminati, at some point.

And, as I've belabored before, I don't support this enthusiasm for cramming all the Marvel franchises under one roof and a singular leadership. Yeah, the connected universe approach sells more comics, and now, more movie tickets, but that doesn't mean it's what's best for the quality of the individual products. Can you imagine writing for a Marvel comic or film, and constantly being forced into every annual comic cataclysm, or having to steer your film into the next Avengers movie? Just look at how many MCU films have had their stories driven by infinity stones. That wasn't because the writers and directors thought it would make for a better film... I'd rather see very different writers and directors each taking their own unburdened approach.

[Spike Spiegel]

Fantastic Four may not have been a well-paced, or well-directed film, but I'd definitely prefer to see a continuation of that story. But, it would be great to see Reed Richards in the MCU. I'd really like to see the Illuminati, at some point.

And, as I've belabored before, I don't support this enthusiasm for cramming all the Marvel franchises under one roof and a singular leadership. Yeah, the connected universe approach sells more comics, and now, more movie tickets, but that doesn't mean it's what's best for the quality of the individual products. Can you imagine writing for a Marvel comic or film, and constantly being forced into every annual comic cataclysm, or having to steer your film into the next Avengers movie? Just look at how many MCU films have had their stories driven by infinity stones. That wasn't because the writers and directors thought it would make for a better film... I'd rather see very different writers and directors each taking their own unburdened approach.

In that case, I guess you can look at the state of Marvel's comic line over the last ten to fifteen years and extrapolate those trends in the context of phases four, five, and beyond.

Eventually the movie fanbase's expectations will shrink and become even more repetitive and narrowly focused, just like those of the comic fanbase. I would expect that the number of people continuing to see the films would shrink as well.

[Andrew NDB]

Is everyone still convinced he died in the Battle of New York?

Except Lady Sif, who appeared twice on Agents of SHIELD. But they literally made it an in-story poitn to have Coulson tell her not to tell Thor he was alive.

The whole thing is all pretty puzzling and disappointing, the apparent hard line between the TV shows (Netflix included) and the movies. But I guess it's better than WB/DC's... significantly harder line -- a impermeable wall, really -- between TV and movies.

[Cryomancer]

Getting FF back into Marvel films would be mostly worth it for the villains, yeah. Doom, Galactus, Namor (he might be with universal still?). Reed as a supporting cast "figure out this high tech thing for us" character would be cool too. Thing for when they want a Hulk that isn't a Hulk.

[Andrew NDB]

Getting FF back into Marvel films would be mostly worth it for the villains, yeah. Doom, Galactus, Namor (he might be with universal still?). Reed as a supporting cast "figure out this high tech thing for us" character would be cool too. Thing for when they want a Hulk that isn't a Hulk.

Yup, yup, Doom too. Doom and Galactus would be HUGE in the MCU, with or without the FF or Surfer.

Galactus alone gives all of their heroes an enormous threat to build towards in Phase 4, 5, etc. that's as big or bigger than Thanos. In the interim they could covertly introduce the FF in some fashion (not necessarily a standalone movie, but setting the stage for one ala Spider-Man in Civil War), Doom too, to pay off dividends in later movies. Keeping things new and fresh. Even the X-Men, after Singer has completed skull-f*cking the franchise.

[Raven]

Bring in Galactus and Doom, that would fill a great void the MCU seems to be dealing with in terms of interesting and thought out villains. Civil War was fantastic but Baron whats his name Zemo was dull and boring.

So yea, more doom less um boring guys...

[Andrew NDB]

Bring in Galactus and Doom, that would fill a great void the MCU seems to be dealing with in terms of interesting and thought out villains. Civil War was fantastic but Baron whats his name Zemo was dull and boring.

So yea, more doom less um boring guys...

And no more mindless robot hordes (i.e., Iron Man 2, Avengers 1, Avengers 2).

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

And no more mindless robot hordes (i.e., Iron Man 2, Avengers 1, Avengers 2).

Also Iron Man 3.

[CyberCubed]

I don't know how far in advance Marvel is still planning these moves in continuity. By the time we get into the 2020's all the actors will be rather old...I don't know how much longer they're going to do this for.

Certainly there has to be an endgame in sight or at least a reboot at some point.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Certainly there has to be an endgame in sight or at least a reboot at some point.

I think Infinity War Pt. II will be when we say goodbye to the Avengers as we know them.

[Spike Spiegel]

So yea, more doom less um boring guys...

But who would play him?

[TigerClaw]

I think Infinity War Pt. II will be when we say goodbye to the Avengers as we know them.
and say hello to new members, since the Avengers roster changes all the time.

[Andrew NDB]

I think the general game plan for the MCU is to have a good 3 movie run with each guy's solo series, then 1 or 2 Avengers movies... then halfway sideline those guys while pushing new guys' solo trilogies and such into new Avengers movies, while quietly recasting the original bunch and then coming back with 4th movies to those. Rinse and repeat, always sneaking new guys in there.

[Spike Spiegel]

I think the general game plan for the MCU is to have a good 3 movie run with each guy's solo series, then 1 or 2 Avengers movies... then halfway sideline those guys while pushing new guys' solo trilogies and such into new Avengers movies, while quietly recasting the original bunch and then coming back with 4th movies to those. Rinse and repeat, always sneaking new guys in there.

So basically, making every hero the star of their own James Bond style franchise?

[Andrew NDB]

So basically, making every hero the star of their own James Bond style franchise?

That's pretty much it, unless they outright retire superheroes when the actor playing them ages out. Which I don't see happening.

[ProactiveMan]

And no more mindless robot hordes (i.e., Iron Man 2, Avengers 1, Avengers 2).

Cut to Jeremy Renner firing cgi arrows into wave after wave of Doombots.

[ToTheNines]

So this was bull shish, huh?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

So this was bull shish, huh?

No, it just seems likely that IF this is a thing that's happening, they're holding off announcing it until a little closer to Phase 4 when Marvel can actually ACT on it. :tsmile:

That's what I said all along; it makes no sense to break news of a Fox/MCU deal one year into Phase 3.

[Candy Kappa]

New Marvel Legends Fantastic Four figures are happening, Sue's figure was revealed at the SDCC panel. Could be happening.

[ZariusTwo]

New Marvel Legends Fantastic Four figures are happening, Sue's figure was revealed at the SDCC panel. Could be happening.

They said at the Quesada panel there were long-term plans for the FF members, but they're still not publishing a new FF title.