Batman and Harley

[ZariusTwo]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/378943-teen-titans-batman-and-harley-quinn-animated-films-coming

Finally, the 2017 lineup of DC Universe Original Movies concludes with Batman and Harley Quinn, a brand new, wholly original story from DC animation legend Bruce Timm. The storyline for this one is tightly under wraps, but considering Timm’s beloved style and complete understanding of both these classic characters, fans can expect this movie to be the talk of next summer

And if KJ is anything to go by, they'll be yapping about it for all the wrong reasons

Bruce Timm with no filter is no better than Miller.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/378943-teen-titans-batman-and-harley-quinn-animated-films-coming



And if KJ is anything to go by, they'll be yapping about it for all the wrong reasons

Bruce Timm with no filter is no better than Miller.

We already got a Harley Quinn sex scene in Assault on Arkham.

One shudders to think what we're going to get here, especially after the atrocity of "Killing Joke"...

[TurtleTitan97]

Fingers cross it could turn out well. Maybe they can bring Paul Dini aboard to collaborate.

[CyberCubed]

Harley screwing Batman confirmed.

*shudders*

[Spike Spiegel]

Anticipation of this project really revs up my Harley, if you know what mean.

Wish they'd remaster TAS for blu ray.

[turtle1237]

Why not. BatMAN can go thrown the entire ladies of Gotham.

First Catwoman in the comics, I can buy that, they always had a thing for each other, and really try there best to lived around it.

Batgirl in the new movie. And now Harley, he just needs to work on Ivy, and why stop in Gotham? If he can have Batgirl, Superman's home town is not that far away, so he can stop on by and get Supergirl. lol.

[Netkeeper]

If he can have Batgirl, Superman's home town is not that far away, so he can stop on by and get Supergirl. lol.
Not sure if CyberCubed would hate this or be all over it.

[Redeemer]

Fingers cross it could turn out well. Maybe they can bring Paul Dini aboard to collaborate.

We can only pray that Paul Dini comes on board that way he can make sure his character is properly portrayed.

Also it makes me wonder how the killing joke would have been portrayed if Paul Dini got the nod instead of Bruce Timm.

[Commenter 42]

What's going on here? Why is everybody all angry?

[ZariusTwo]

What's going on here? Why is everybody all angry?

Bruce Timm's having a mid-life crisis.

[Commenter 42]

Bruce Timm's having a mid-life crisis.

How's that?

[ZariusTwo]

How's that?

Watch his latest film, "Bruce and Babs Make A Porno"

[Commenter 42]

Watch his latest film, "Bruce and Barbera Make A Porno"

Wtf dude. Grow up. Sex happens.

So it's okay if they imply rape, but not okay to imply consensual sex?

Is this the state of the world? How ****ing Puritanical are you boys?

[ZariusTwo]

Wtf dude. Grow up. Sex happens.

Babs is depleted of all agency in KJ. Sex is'nt the issue dingbat.

[Commenter 42]

Babs is depleted of all agency in KJ. Sex is'nt the issue dingbat.

It seems like it is though. Explain the issue, dick head.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Harley Quinn was a pretty neat character before she went mainstream... I guess this'll just be her in another skimpy outfit, just like in Suicide Squad.

Wish they'd remaster TAS for blu ray.

Timm thinks a remaster would take away from the gritty look of the series, and I agree.

[Netkeeper]

It seems like it is though. Explain the issue, dick head.
Just check out the KJ thread, man. It all unfolds there, go back some pages.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

What's going on here? Why is everybody all angry?

Simple; everyone is angry because a beloved character has been reduced to a thing, the object of pursuit, conquest, and vengeance. It fails the character and accomplishes the opposite of what the creators initially claimed to desire for this character's expanded role in the story.

[Splinter the boss]

Since when did Batman have a thing with Batgirl? I prefer the pupil-master relationship.
And, what is it with the movie "Bruce and Babs" now?

[sdp]

The Bruce/Babs thing is wrong, that's what makes it interesting. TKJ was always a bad idea to adapt since it's difficult to. This is far from the most "perverted" thing they've done, that's probably the Year One Catwoman short.

[ZariusTwo]

The Bruce/Babs thing is wrong, that's what makes it interesting

The way they went about it is'nt interesting, it's offensive.

TKJ was always a bad idea to adapt since it's difficult to.

KJ was a bad idea period.

[Splinter the boss]

Great(sarcasm). I'm never gonna see Barbara in the same way again.

[Commenter 42]

Simple; everyone is angry because a beloved character has been reduced to a thing, the object of pursuit, conquest, and vengeance. It fails the character and accomplishes the opposite of what the creators initially claimed to desire for this character's expanded role in the story.

I don't see it. People in close proximity have sex. It's normal. She's not a "thing" for wanting to **** the Batman. It might be a little Lolita ish, but that's it.

Batman, in th clip, is clearly walled up, thinking he did something wrong, crossed a line. You could argue he took advantage. It tarnishes Bruce a bit, if anything.

It just adds complexity, making them more human.

It doesn't change anything, really, unless you want it to. There's still a tragic fate, made a little more tenuous by the broken trust between Bruce And Babs.

Once again, we see Bruce isn't all that different than Joker...and maybe that's the point.

[Raven]

The Bruce/Babs thing is wrong, that's what makes it interesting.

I think you and I have a very different idea of what "interesting" is.

From the clips were seeing, it looks like its far from being anything of worth value. Poorly put together, and possibly inconsiderate towards woman. How many female characters are going to appear in this film? The addition of Bats and Babs degrading relationship adds no value to the story, and depicts woman in a poor light.

If Alan Moore hated this story right from the get go, and the only worth while thing that came out of it was Oracle I can't say I find much interest coming from this. This story was already highly debated for its content now there just adding insult to injury.

This was looking interesting before the unneeded plots. Having Hammil and Conroy back was exciting but now I'm just disappointed with all this new info.

[sdp]

When I'm talking about the Bruce/Babs relationship I'm talking about the DCAU, I haven't seen TKJ yet and neither has anyone yet to be able to judge. It's like Ghostbusters where everyone damns something before it comes out and they watch it which apparently is an alright movie and internet fanboys overreacted like the sheep that they are.

I can only speak for the comic story since none of us have watched the movie. Batgirl was a character DC wasn't using and there were no plans for her, this happens all the time and it's irrelevant that she's a girl. The point of the story was never Barbara just for something tragic to happen to both Batman and Jim Gordon and show how one bad day can change someones life which is what happened to the Joker since this is basically his story. I never thought Joker raped Barbara, she took naked pictures to show how he could do anything he wanted. The aftermath to this story is awesome, I love Oracle and how many wheelchair heroes do we really have?

Does Barbara having sex with Batman change the story? Not really, things like this happen in real life. Probably not necessary but TKJ is a very short story that doesn't translate very well to a movie so more needs to be added. Year One was also very short so we had a 30 minute sequel with Catwoman where she goes to a Strip Club and strips, it wasn't necessary to the story but it's interesting to see YO catwoman who only gets a short cameo in the actual story.

The reason people hate this idea is a combination of SJW sticking their head were they don't belong and overanalyzing sh-t that doesn't fit their programmed view of what life is and fanboys who don't like status quo change and don't want "their" batman being tainted by an interesting plot point or because they don't want their "shippings" ruined whether it's "Babs/Dick" or "Bat/Catwoman". People hated Starfire for those same reasons and there was all this hate just for that.

[CyberCubed]

Its not about Batman, its about the writers using him as their self insert character.

The writers are 40-50+ year old disgruntled adults who have likely been married to the same woman for years or divorced for years and are bored with their old wives. So they dream of screwing younger women and they self-insert themselves into Bruce and have him have sex with a 20 something year old Barbara.

They're old men and they aren't getting enough hanky panky at home so they fantasize themselves as Bruce as their self insert character and make their fanfiction ships into reality.

[TurtleTitan97]

That is the most ridiculous assumption anyone could possible make.

Don't just assume stuff about a person's private life just because you're not a fan of their work.

[Commenter 42]

KNIZofPB8ZM

[ZariusTwo]

When I'm talking about the Bruce/Babs relationship I'm talking about the DCAU, I haven't seen TKJ yet and neither has anyone yet to be able to judge

Dude, the whole thing leaked yesterday. I watched it already.

When I'm talking about the Bruce/Babs relationship I'm talking about the DCAU, I haven't seen TKJ yet and neither has anyone yet to be able to judge. It's like Ghostbusters where everyone damns something before it comes out and they watch it which apparently is an alright movie and internet fanboys overreacted like the sheep that they are.

GhostBusters was a crap movie, and I'm no sheep. The real flock are all the people that are only saying it's decent to avoid the wrath of the Kitchen Dwellers.

[Coola Yagami]

All of this was a waste of time because it wasn't in the comic to begin with. There didn't need be any kind of relationship there. From what I heard, the whole scene with Batman and Batgirl fighting crime before the tragedy went on for too long. They didn't need to add all this BS. Just make a short scene of Batgirl beating up some bad guys so people know she's Batgirl, and then start the comic proper. It looks like once the filler crap is out of the way, everything is done almost panel per panel. It's a shame they screwed up on the filler parts because the rest of the movie seems to be 100% faithful to the comic.

I mean TKJ from Batman's perspective was about him wondering how the final battle between him and the Joker will finally end. It had nothing to do with him banging Babs and feeling awkward about it.

[Commenter 42]

to avoid the wrath of the Kitchen Dwellers.

Chef Ramsay?

[sdp]

I just read that Barbara's sole reason for becoming Batgirl was to "bang" Batman, if that really is true and not something taking out of context then yeah I'd have a problem. If it's more of a Tim Drake type of origin then it wouldn't be so bad, I'll really have to see it before I judge it, I still think it's the usual overreaction from the internet about nothing since oddly enough that is what hasn't really been mentioned in articles/forum posts that part that does mess her character up and yet no one is talking about it?

Dude, the whole thing leaked yesterday. I watched it already.



GhostBusters was a crap movie, and I'm no sheep. The real flock are all the people that are only saying it's decent to avoid the wrath of the Kitchen Dwellers.
Well sorry I don't keep up with the latest pirate releases. But based on the other comment acting like somehow the new Ghostbusters has some kind of sway to get people to review it well and all of you were "right all along" doesn't help me see your point.

All of this was a waste of time because it wasn't in the comic to begin with.

It's an adaptation, things are changed for better or worse. I would've wanted a Batgirl Year One adaptation, it could've fit in 30 mins but I'm not knocking this until I see it especially isnce internet nerd can be so fickle.

[Bry]

Chef Ramsay?

No way -- Jamie Oliver. Ramsay's all bluster. Oliver may come across gentle as can be, but I hear he'll get inventive with a vegetable peeler if anyone besmirches the good name of Kate McKinnon.

[Coola Yagami]

It's an adaptation, things are changed for better or worse. I would've wanted a Batgirl Year One adaptation, it could've fit in 30 mins but I'm not knocking this until I see it especially isnce internet nerd can be so fickle.

But they didn't need to be. All they needed to do was have Batgirl beat up some crooks, with or without Batman, and then come home to reveal to the audience that she's Gordon's daughter and that he has no idea she's a crimefighter. Then start the comic proper. I heard the padding was to make people know who she was since the comic flat out starts with Joker shooting her without ever wearing the costume throughout the whole story. That's all we needed. A short intro. Then start the comic proper. We didn't need an extra 'things are awkward now because we had sex' subplot between Batman and Batgirl that didn't exist in the original story.

[Splinter the boss]

Totally agree with the user above me.
See, I appreciate the character a lot. Now, such a scandal happens! It's silly.

[CyberCubed]

Batman having sex with Harley will be the biggest jump the shark moment in Batman history. Bruce Timm needs to retire if this is what he is planning.

He really needs to stop making his fantasies a reality.

[Commenter 42]

Still struggling to figure out what exactly a kitchen dweller is.

[Krutch]

They're old men and they aren't getting enough hanky panky at home so they fantasize themselves as Bruce as their self insert character and make their fanfiction ships into reality.You may be right but it's still a hilariously big leap to make with no evidence other than his age.
But they didn't need to be. All they needed to do was have Batgirl beat up some crooks, with or without Batman, and then come home to reveal to the audience that she's Gordon's daughter and that he has no idea she's a crimefighter. Then start the comic proper. I heard the padding was to make people know who she was since the comic flat out starts with Joker shooting her without ever wearing the costume throughout the whole story. That's all we needed. A short intro. Then start the comic proper. We didn't need an extra 'things are awkward now because we had sex' subplot between Batman and Batgirl that didn't exist in the original story.Nailed it.

(and I personally don't even mind the sex angle.)

[THGhost]

We already got a Harley Quinn sex scene in Assault on Arkham.

One shudders to think what we're going to get here, especially after the atrocity of "Killing Joke"...

Besides the whole Bruce/Babara thing I thought it was pretty awesome. Or was that the reason you didn't like it? I can understand that. What were WB thinking when they threw that in?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Besides the whole Bruce/Babara thing I thought it was pretty awesome. Or was that the reason you didn't like it? I can understand that. What were WB thinking when they threw that in?

That is my reason. I've watched the various clips to see for myself, but on principle, I'm not financially supporting this.

[Commenter 42]

I still don't understand. She can get raped, but can't have sex, because that makes her an object?

I do not get it.

[CyberCubed]

The plot of this movie is probably Batman impregnating Harley and then 9 months later Harley confronting Batman to pay child support.

Oh god, that's going to be the plot, isn't it? Then Joker will find out Harley has "Bat babies" and be enraged and try to kill her and her kids, and Batman will come to the rescue as usual. Truly sounds like bad shipper fanfiction brought to life.

Bruce Timm, what happened to you? What a fall from grace.

[sdp]

Bruce Timm is a pervert?
Batgirl/Batman relationship?

Funny thing is both of these things have been known for nearly 20 years.

[CyberCubed]

Bruce Timm is the next Tiger Woods. I'm calling it now. We'll probably hear about a scandal in the coming years.

[THGhost]

I still don't understand. She can get raped, but can't have sex, because that makes her an object?

I do not get it.

Nor do I. It didn't bother me all that much, but I can see why some people are upset. Personally I was just bored waiting for the actual storyline from the comic to show up. 31 mins it took. 31 mins.

[Commenter 42]

Bruce Timm is the next Tiger Woods. I'm calling it now. We'll probably hear about a scandal in the coming years.

You really do like to repeat yourself.

Nor do I. It didn't bother me all that much, but I can see why some people are upset. Personally I was just bored waiting for the actual storyline from the comic to show up. 31 mins it took. 31 mins.

I don't. I don't get it. one site reportede it as "too much masculinity".

WTF does that even mean? He's still a lunatic in a Dracula cape.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I still don't understand. She can get raped, but can't have sex, because that makes her an object?

I do not get it.

#1. It is never stated that Barbara was raped. In most media, the Joker is absolutely asexual with no interest in copulating. The Joker has no interest in Harley Quinn, but is instead disturbingly fixated at Batman. The only instance I know of where this is not true is the Joker graphic novel by Brian Azzarello.

#2. The Joker's goal is to break Jim Gordon's mind, not break Barbara. Given the Joker's widely accepted asexual nature (see #1), many of us (us being Batman fans) have understood that the Joker went no further than stripping her and posing her naked body. Flashing horrible images at Jim with no explanation or cause.

#3. Batman has never engaged in sexual relationships with his family, the only exception being Bruce Timm's Batman TAS series where it is implied that Babs and Bruce had a thing. Any comics that followed up on this (Batman Beyond) were explicitly a continuation of that animated continuity, NOT main DC/Batman continuity. Thus, non-canon.

#4. WERE Batman to engage in a sexual relationship with Barbara, it damages Bruce's character and moral reputation. We frown on teachers having sex with their students because even if the teacher does not initiate and the student is of legal age, the teacher is in a position of authority and is seen as having abused that position of authority. Right or wrong, this IS unarguably the cultural view of such relationships. (And is most often the legal view as well, such as at many colleges, universities, and other educational bodies.)

#5. Yes, Barbara Gordon was already just in this story as a victim. The producers and writers of this adaptation told us up front that they wanted to expand on her role. What they chose did not serve the character well, simply enforcing that Babs is just around for sex or eye candy, to be used or discarded by the men in the story as they see fit.

What they SHOULD have done was make this Barbara's story as well as Batman's. Show Barbara first becoming Batgirl in flashbacks, show snippets of her career leading up to this moment, show her crippled and abused, and then end the story with showing Barbara refusing to give up and be a victim, but to continue her own quest for justice by serving as Oracle. THAT'S how you do justice to Barbara Gordon.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

#6. We have never said Babs can't get some. See #4 and #5.

[TurtleTitan97]

First look at the film:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7y0bCZWsAAC4Nd.jpg

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Wow! Timm's definitely channeling B:TAS. I usually stay the hell away from these crappy movies, but the art style here already has me excited.

Edit: For a film music buff like me, this is an exciting thought: if we're to assume this film is in the vein of B:TAS, might we finally get an excellent orchestral score for it, just like the good old days? Shirley Walker's Batman theme returning? What a treat that would be!

[ToTheNines]

First look at the film:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7y0bCZWsAAC4Nd.jpg

Oh wow, I'm on board now!

[DestronMirage22]

First look at the film:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7y0bCZWsAAC4Nd.jpg

Whoah! It's a little off, but the resemblance is uncanny to B:TAS.

[Redeemer]

If I saw that I deviant-art I would have sworn it was fan art :lol: I can't believe you guys are eating this up especially after looking at previous comments from when this was first announced. Batman has a freaking Black brick for a hand :lol:
I am put off bc it looks like they are also going with the 2nd design for B:TAS

Hopefully the story will be good. A good story can make up for bad animation and vice versa.

[turtle1237]

Whoah! It's a little off, but the resemblance is uncanny to B:TAS.

More of a fan of the first BTAS designs, the 2nd series was good, but BTAS was great.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Batman has a freaking Black brick for a hand :lol:

That's always been Timm's style. He draws with shapes, he doesn't aim to be photorealistic.

[turtle1237]

That's always been Timm's style. He draws with shapes, he doesn't aim to be photorealistic.

Well in BTAS the first series, it was more photorealistic and less shape. Once Batman was cancel and Superman was being made, the photorealistic was gone, and the shape like animation, became what would be Timm's style.

Than the New Batman series came during the run of Superman, and well, they went with the Superman shape look and not the photorealistic of BTAS. Still a great show, both The New Batman series and Superman, and they would use that style all the way though Justice League. But I think I prefer the photorealistic BTAS over what came later.

[Redeemer]

That's always been Timm's style. He draws with shapes, he doesn't aim to be photorealistic.

I know its not suppose to be photorealistic, but at least resemble a hand.

What make it so bad is that there are no highlights around the hand even though its clearly day light.

Hopefully it just not finished yet.

[sdp]

I don't understand why so many people are complaining, I mean we've wanted a new DCAU film since JLU ended and the internet whined about it for years and now after all hope seemed dead we get this screenshot that is hinting it may be set in the DCAU and people instead of being excited are complaining that it looks bad, which it might but that's how the DCAU looked and we may just get a new Batman DCAU story!

[CyberCubed]

It's not going to be set in the DCAU, just a similar animation style.

DCAU is dead since 2006.

[Leofan26]

We had a Live action BatGirl film? I know in one film, Animated was called BatWoman and she clearly liked Bruce flirting with him over the phone such.

When did this happen?

Any ways, BatMan X Harley pairing isn't new, in the Batman Animated series they kissed.

Now give me Posion Ivey X BatMan things, I liked that idea.

[ZariusTwo]

We had a Live action BatGirl film? I know in one film, Animated was called BatWoman and she clearly liked Bruce flirting with him over the phone such.

When did this happen?

Babs and Bruce's romance is pretty much commonly accepted as the single worst thing to come out of the DCAU.

[Spike Spiegel]

Babs and Bruce's romance is pretty much commonly accepted as the single worst thing to come out of the DCAU.

By whom exactly?

Even as a kid, I don't remember being bothered by it. It was the first time I became aware of DCAU Bruce's fatal character flaw--his avoidance of others. It made them both seem more human.

Barbara had moved on, advanced into a great police career, and was happily married by her 60s, while Bruce stayed trapped in his angst and mistrust of others (at least until he met Terry).

[ToTheNines]

I'm with Spike here.

[CyberCubed]

People are bothered by it because Batman has an affair with his adopted sons (Dick's) girlfriend. It's just odd.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

I liked it because you got the feeling that Batman was developing as a character. He's not this static, emotionless robot; he actually wanted to dare to make relationships with people again. And he was reminded of why he couldn't do that when Tim got ****ed up.

[CyberCubed]

Once I learned Bruce Timm's intentions behind it I could never support it. It's not that "Barbara gets a crush on Bruce and they fall in love after working together."

It's Bruce Timm's devious sexual intentions toward young girls half his age. He self-inserts himself into Batman and everyone knows this.

[Spike Spiegel]

IMHO, one of the things that makes the DCAU all ages friendly and yet very adult is how good they are at implying the relationships...like how Hades might be Diana's father, or the developments betwen John Stewart and Hawkgirl, or the problematic aspects of the Joker/Harley pairing. Batman and Superman have great respect for each other, despite their personal differences. Lex Luthor has a strange affection for Mercy Graves and Tala that humanizes him but still shows what a narcissistic jerk he is.

It's a pleasant contrast to the forced grimdark qualities of some of the more recent live action and animated DC films.

[CyberCubed]

https://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/bruce-timm.jpg

[ToTheNines]

Whatever cybercucked. You're just jelly.

[ToTheNines]

http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww280/craig-5/Mobile%20Uploads/ZomboMeme%2002042017202812.jpg

http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww280/craig-5/Mobile%20Uploads/ZomboMeme%2002042017202919.jpg

[CyberCubed]

Bruce Timm is a 56 year old man according to wikipedia, there's no reason an almost 60 year old middle age man should be fantasizing about boning College girls. They're half his age.

[TurtleTitan97]

Oh shut up already. This shtick you do of posting the same thing over and over again is so annoying. Leave it in the Killing Joke thread.

And Bruce Timm is still a lot more respectable than you'll ever be.

[ToTheNines]

Bruce Timm is a 56 year old man according to wikipedia, there's no reason an almost 60 year old middle age man should be fantasizing about boning College girls. They're half his age.

At least they're legal. I bet Timm never jacked off to a 10 year old girl.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

IMHO, one of the things that makes the DCAU all ages friendly and yet very adult is how good they are at implying the relationships...like how Hades might be Diana's father, or the developments betwen John Stewart and Hawkgirl, or the problematic aspects of the Joker/Harley pairing. Batman and Superman have great respect for each other, despite their personal differences. Lex Luthor has a strange affection for Mercy Graves and Tala that humanizes him but still shows what a narcissistic jerk he is.

It's a pleasant contrast to the forced grimdark qualities of some of the more recent live action and animated DC films.

Agreed. A big problem with YJ is how clunky and forced the romance aspects are. I get that Timm had the advantage of having like 5 series to slowly build up the relationships of the characters, but ultimately the subtle approach of the DCAU is far more satisfying. Combine the focused story-arc approach of a show like YJ and the worldbuilding aspects that the DCAU mastered and you've got a winner (best example I can think of is Spectacular Spider-Man).

[Autbot_Benz]

Harley Quinn will be voiced not by Arlene Sorkin or Tara Strong but by

Melissa Rauch from big ban theory

http://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/batman-harley-quinn-exclusive-big-bang-theory-melissa-rauch-voicing-harley/?sf67664214=1/

Batman will be voiced by Conroy and Nightwing is voiced by Loren Lester who voiced him in BTAS

[CyberCubed]

I don't get it, why not let Harley have her iconic voice actress if they're bringing back Conroy and the original Robin.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Arleen Sorkin is largely retired today.

[Autbot_Benz]

I still think they should have gone with Tara Strong for Harley instead of this random person. I mean you have the original Batman and Nightwing but not harley.

[CyberCubed]

I'm surprised they didn't have the actress who played her in Suicide Squad voice her here if they weren't going to go with her other cartoon voices.

[Autbot_Benz]

I'm surprised they didn't have the actress who played her in Suicide Squad voice her here if they weren't going to go with her other cartoon voices.

holy crap I agree with Cubed for a change. I was actually thinking of this.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

I think you both underestimate how expensive Margot Robbie must be.

[ZariusTwo]

K6pBn96QXAI

[TheSkeletonMan939]

This looks like it'll be a welcome change from the tone and style of the other recent DC DTVs. New actress for Harley sounds fine.

[ToTheNines]

Yeah, they've really lost me in recent years with their New 52-isms. I've tried to watch Batman and Son 3 times, and I've fallen asleep on the couch every time.

Now I'm excited again!

[Autbot_Benz]

ehhhh I really don't like the new harley voice. It just isn't as good as Tara Strong . I would have taken Hynden Walch who voiced Harly in Assault on Arkham as a second choice

[DestronMirage22]

So there's gonna be a Nightwing/Harley romance subplot? Wasn't he a little kid when she was like 25? That's creepy AF.

[CyberCubed]

So there's gonna be a Nightwing/Harley romance subplot? Wasn't he a little kid when she was like 25? That's creepy AF.

Why am I not surprised this is happening? Jesus when will Bruce Tim learn that people hate this stuff and don't want it?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Why am I not surprised this is happening? Jesus when will Bruce Tim learn that people hate this stuff and don't want it?

So there's gonna be a Nightwing/Harley romance subplot? Wasn't he a little kid when she was like 25? That's creepy AF.

Dammit, DM, you triggered Cubed!

[DestronMirage22]

Dammit, DM, you triggered Cubed!

Oh no!! Now we'll all have to deal with him posting about it angrily in 20 different threads! What have I done?!?!

[MikeandRaph87]

Just remember at the end of the day no matter someone odd fantasies its Dick Grayson/Barbara Gordon and Bruce Wayne/Selina Kyle.

[CyberCubed]

I just can't comprehend why he would think Nightwing/Harley is a good thing. Granted this isn't as bad as Batman/Barbara because it's not as huge an age gap, and hopefully there won't be any sex scene, but it's still awful.

Does anyone actually enjoy these awful pairings/ship Bruce Timm keeps putting in his movies? It feels like he just keeps coming up with new ways to put this stuff in, and it's just because of his fantasies, it's not like a legit thing like Batman/Wonder Woman in JLU.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Just remember at the end of the day no matter someone odd fantasies its Dick Grayson/Barbara Gordon and Bruce Wayne/Selina Kyle.

You mean Dick Grayson/Barbara Gordon and Bruce Wayne/Talia al Ghul. :trazz:

[CyberCubed]

You mean Dick Grayson/Barbara Gordon and Bruce Wayne/Talia al Ghul. :trazz:

I'm more partial to Dick/Starfire myself.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Honestly I think he's just bored. Maybe he wants to try new stuff out for his own amusement. He essentially redefined the presence of DC in animation and today he seems to only tackle the odd DTV: hardly as invigorating (and stressful) as what he used to do.

[CyberCubed]

Honestly I think he's just bored. Maybe he wants to try new stuff out for his own amusement. He essentially redefined the presence of DC in animation and today he seems to only tackle the odd DTV: hardly as invigorating (and stressful) as what he used to do.

The thing is he degrades female characters everytime he does it. If he wants to make legitimate pairings, fine, but what's he's doing is just odd. Feels like bad fanfiction brought to life.

[Autbot_Benz]

I still think the new Harley voice sucks its way to forced. If they could get Kevin and Loren why not Tara Strong.

[DestronMirage22]

I'm more partial to Dick/Starfire myself.

I still think the new Harley voice sucks its way to forced. If they could get Kevin and Loren why not Tara Strong.

I agree with all of this.

[Autbot_Benz]

At least we get the obligatory Harley ass shot in this :lol:

[CyberCubed]

I think it's time Bruce Timm retired in general. He's obviously way past his prime.

[ZariusTwo]

Timm is fine when reined in (which these movies don't do anymore because they cater to all the edgelord pervy grown-ups who were kids in their hey-day), Paul Dini certainly still has it and should have written this.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

(which these movies don't do anymore because they cater to all the edgelord pervy grown-ups who were kids in their hey-day)

That's another factor I was considering. Throwing sex into a film gives it an easy PG-13, which I guess WB thinks moves units. It satisfies whatever Timm's current fantasy is and it fulfills a certain desire for "edgy stuff" on the part of fanboys in their 30s.

[CyberCubed]

Why would 30 year old adults even want to see bizarre sexual relationships between the main characters and Barbara, Harley, Catwoman, Ivy, etc......basically any female character.

I mean this is the last thing I watch DC cartoons for.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Artists are huge pervs, dude.

[ToTheNines]

So there's gonna be a Nightwing/Harley romance subplot? Wasn't he a little kid when she was like 25? That's creepy AF.

Harley was no older than 30 at the time of her debut episode. Dick was about 20 when the series started, no younger than 19.

[CyberCubed]

Harley was probably in her mid-20's. That would have given her enough time to graduate with a PHd as a psychiatrist and then start working in Arkham.

[sdp]

So, it's basically confirmed this is a new DCAU entry, I don't know why there isn't more hype, sure it isn't an epic adventure and pretty much a remake of a BTAS episode with harley but it's still awesome.


The Babs/Bruce relationship is also awesome for the very basic fact that what upsets people is what makes it great. It's indeed wrong and that's why you can believe it happened.

[Autbot_Benz]

So, it's basically confirmed this is a new DCAU entry, I don't know why there isn't more hype, sure it isn't an epic adventure and pretty much a remake of a BTAS episode with harley but it's still awesome.


The Babs/Bruce relationship is also awesome for the very basic fact that what upsets people is what makes it great. It's indeed wrong and that's why you can believe it happened.

one reason there isn't much hype is people are upset that Tara Strong isn't voicing Harley they just picked some random chick instead of Tara or someone else who has actually voiced Harley in some form of batman media.

[oldmanwinters]

I assumed they'd bring back Arleen Sorkin to voice Quinn. Is she retired or something?

[Autbot_Benz]

I assumed they'd bring back Arleen Sorkin to voice Quinn. Is she retired or something?

she retired after doing Harley for Arkham Asylum than she passed the role to Tara Strong

[CyberCubed]

So, it's basically confirmed this is a new DCAU entry, I don't know why there isn't more hype, sure it isn't an epic adventure and pretty much a remake of a BTAS episode with harley but it's still awesome..

It's not part of the DCAU or old continuity. As said it has nothing to do with it, probably just have some nods and references for fans but it's not canon with the show and is its own thing

[ZariusTwo]

So, it's basically confirmed this is a new DCAU entry, I don't know why there isn't more hype

Because people can tire of nostalgia acts.

[CyberCubed]

The DCAU ended in 2006. It's now over 10 years later in 2017, I doubt the young kids of today even watched a single episode of it.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Justice League is on Netflix now and is apparently popular - so I think kids today are familiar with it.

[sdp]

The DCAU ended in 2006. It's now over 10 years later in 2017, I doubt the young kids of today even watched a single episode of it.
It's not part of the DCAU or old continuity. As said it has nothing to do with it, probably just have some nods and references for fans but it's not canon with the show and is its own thing

Kids watch old cartoons really easily now, it isn't like in the past that once a show left the air it was gone forever.

It sure seems to be part of the DCAU, did you not see the featurette posted here. Why else do you think they went back to the original voice actors they could get and the art style, only modernizing Nightwing's. It isn't a huge story set in it but it's a story set in it.


Because people can tire of nostalgia acts.

ummm...most of the franchises you like are literally nostalgia acts. That's not attacking you, It's the same for me but come on.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Why else do you think they went back to the original voice actors they could get and the art style, only modernizing Nightwing's.

Kevin Conroy has been the voice of Batman for years even after the DCAU. And Bruce Timm's style has been in a (http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Superman-Brainiac-Attacks-Blu-ray/60985/) couple (http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Justice-League-Gods-and-Monsters-Blu-ray/113482/#Review) films that weren't part of the DCAU. Both aspects are essentially tradition by now.

[ZariusTwo]

ummm...most of the franchises you like are literally nostalgia acts..

I have time for concurrent stuff as well.

[CyberCubed]

sdp you do realize Kevin Conroy has returned for many of these DTV movies, right? He was just recently in Killing Joke, and before that he was in at least 5 of them, probably more.

They seem to alternate between using Conroy and the new Batman voice actors now.

[sdp]

I know but that's only one thing, this movie is clearly using the TNBA designs for every character and VAs. in the featurette they basically mention that it's a new BTAS but not one for kids and how they're returning to it after so many years because so many people grew up with it.

This isn't a case like Braniac attacks that in order to save money they re-used the Superman TAS designs. Why would they go back to this older style if not for pure nostalgia from DCAU fans going back to their universe? They've used more than one art style in the DC films before. I'm not even that excited for this movie, DC kind of killed my interest in their DTVs over the years but this is clearly meant to be a new DCAU film, just not what people actually wanted.

[CyberCubed]

I don't think this is in continuity or they would have promoted it saying, "The first return to the DCAU in 10 years!"

It would have been a big marketing deal to get people to buy this movie who don't follow their releases usually. I doubt it.

[Coola Yagami]

It could be whatever it wants to be, who really cares?

Are they really going for a Nightwing/Harley romantic/lustful subplot or is this just Cubed overreacting and blindly assuming things?

Just because they screwed up The Killing Joke doesn't mean every new movie from now on is going to have some random sex scene tossed in there. Noone complained about Harley screwing Deadshot in the Assault from Arkham movie.

[DestronMirage22]

Are they really going for a Nightwing/Harley romantic/lustful subplot or is this just Cubed overreacting and blindly assuming things?

They are. In the video Zarius posted, you clearly see that stuff going on, and Timm and some other guy talk about it. The whole thing is completely intentional.

[CyberCubed]

You would think after the backlash Bruce Timm got for the Killing Joke he would tone down on this stuff, but no he's doing it again. Funny thing is he knows fans hate this, if you looked all around at the reviews or forums with people commenting on his stuff they hate the pandered disturbing romance.

I don't mind legitimate ships, they want to have Nightwing kiss Barbara or Starfire or whatever, that's fine. But doing something like this is just wrong. Bruce Timm needs to get his goddamn fantasies out of officially published material and keep it to himself or fanfiction.

[sdp]

The only people who complained were "geek culture" websites full of SJWs and other alt-left people who have likely never seen a DCU animated movie in their lives, let alone buy one. This was actually one of their most successful DTVs since the line started beating out the sales of the last few years worth of DTVs.

I don't think this is in continuity or they would have promoted it saying, "The first return to the DCAU in 10 years!"

It would have been a big marketing deal to get people to buy this movie who don't follow their releases usually. I doubt it.
I'm guessing marketing didn't allow them to since DC had always rejected the idea of a new movie in the DCAU even though Timm used to try, he would mention that on interviews.

[turtle1237]

Saw the trailor, it looks decent, but there seems to be a lot of sex in this from Nightwing and Harley doing the naughty to Harley working as a waiter and getting her butt slap while wearing a short skirt complete with panty shot. No way could they have got away with this in the old BTAS tv series.

[Autbot_Benz]

Saw the trailor, it looks decent, but there seems to be a lot of sex in this from Nightwing and Harley doing the naughty to Harley working as a waiter and getting her butt slap while wearing a short skirt complete with panty shot. No way could they have got away with this in the old BTAS tv series.

http://i.imgur.com/smzZWtK.jpg

[Autbot_Benz]

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First actual Trailer released and I still think the new Harley voice SUCKS

[Spike Spiegel]

fwuE5C0idHs

First actual Trailer released and I still think the new Harley voice SUCKS

No release date seems be confirmed yet. Bummer.

Rauch sounds more adult (and...throaty?) than Tara Strong's work in the Arkham games. Looks like they got someone other than Diane Pershing for Poison Ivy as well.

I'm most surprised that they got Loren Lester for Nightwing, especially since the character has had no speaking parts in anything DCAU related post-New Batman Adventures, despite a stealth cameo in a Justice League Unlimited episode.

[Coola Yagami]

No release date seems be confirmed yet. Bummer.

Rauch sounds more adult (and...throaty?) than Tara Strong's work in the Arkham games. Looks like they got someone other than Diane Pershing for Poison Ivy as well.

I'm most surprised that they got Loren Lester for Nightwing, especially since the character has had no speaking parts in anything DCAU related post-New Batman Adventures, despite a stealth cameo in a Justice League Unlimited episode.

This.... looks like it coulda just been an updated episode of the original series. Like a one-time thing or whatever. Ivy and plant dude want to rule the world with plants, Batman needs Harley's help. They fight. Kinda don't see the reason for this to be feature length.

[ZariusTwo]

Premiere at San Diego Comicon confirmed


https://www.newsarama.com/34985-batman-and-harley-quinn-to-premiere-at-comic-con-international-san-diego.html

[Autbot_Benz]

Bruce Timm strikes again. It seems Harley has sex with nightwing when he is tied to her bed

http://screenrant.com/harley-quinn-nightwing-sex-scene-movie/

[sdp]

Both characters are promiscuous; in character.

[CyberCubed]

This is an actual shot from the movie:

https://cdn3.whatculture.com/images/2017/08/bec2e7fa8f1910fa-600x400.jpg

Jesus Christ, what the hell is wrong with Bruce Timm? This is something out of a fanservice anime, I don't expect to see this in a DC animated film even if it is aimed at adults.

And Harley and Nightwing have sex? I think it's time Bruce Timm retired. I shudder to think if he's constantly trying to one-up each new movie he does with sexual fanservice and pandering.

My respect for Bruce Timm has gone down in recent years because of this.

[Jester]

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Best part.

No, I'm not biased.

[Autbot_Benz]

This is an actual shot from the movie:

https://cdn3.whatculture.com/images/2017/08/bec2e7fa8f1910fa-600x400.jpg

Jesus Christ, what the hell is wrong with Bruce Timm? This is something out of a fanservice anime, I don't expect to see this in a DC animated film even if it is aimed at adults.

And Harley and Nightwing have sex? I think it's time Bruce Timm retired. I shudder to think if he's constantly trying to one-up each new movie he does with sexual fanservice and pandering.

My respect for Bruce Timm has gone down in recent years because of this.

you see worse in Assault on Arkham. In that movie you see Harley's Bare ass with a joker tattoo on her butt cheek. Than she bones Deadshot

[CyberCubed]

you see worse in Assault on Arkham. In that movie you see Harley's Bare ass with a joker tattoo on her butt cheek. Than she bones Deadshot

Yeah I remember that, but at least in that all the characters were older since it was based on the Arkham games (and to a lesser extent the comics) and aimed at adults. This movie uses the iconic Bruce Timm B:TAS designs.

There was also a Catwoman short that came with one of the movies where she unzipes her top and sports massive cleavage before she uses her claws to scratch a gangsters face. I forgot which movie it came with though.

[Autbot_Benz]

Yeah I remember that, but at least in that all the characters were older since it was based on the Arkham games (and to a lesser extent the comics) and aimed at adults. This movie uses the iconic Bruce Timm B:TAS designs.

There was also a Catwoman short that came with one of the movies where she unzipes her top and sports massive cleavage before she uses her claws to scratch a gangsters face. I forgot which movie it came with though.

The Catwoman short came with Batman Year one

[turtle1237]

This is an actual shot from the movie:

https://cdn3.whatculture.com/images/2017/08/bec2e7fa8f1910fa-600x400.jpg

Jesus Christ, what the hell is wrong with Bruce Timm? This is something out of a fanservice anime, I don't expect to see this in a DC animated film even if it is aimed at adults.

And Harley and Nightwing have sex? I think it's time Bruce Timm retired. I shudder to think if he's constantly trying to one-up each new movie he does with sexual fanservice and pandering.

My respect for Bruce Timm has gone down in recent years because of this.

Well if you were Nightwing, and got caught by Harley Quinn, and while tied up(On the bed), and you saw that, would you say no? It would be pretty hard to say no to sex with Harley Quinn.

[CyberCubed]

You're talking about Nightwing, a good guy, sleeping with a psychopath like Harley. While there's no creepy age gap like there was with Batman/Batgirl, it's still rather odd and makes no sense. Also this is like the first and only time Dick and Harley were ever paired together in anything even if it's a one night stand thing.

[turtle1237]

You're talking about Nightwing, a good guy, sleeping with a psychopath like Harley. While there's no creepy age gap like there was with Batman/Batgirl, it's still rather odd and makes no sense. Also this is like the first and only time Dick and Harley were ever paired together in anything even if it's a one night stand thing.

Nightwing is not perfect, he is still human.

[ZariusTwo]

Nightwing is not perfect, he is still human.

Yeah...this is the same guy who, in the comics, went and boned a crippled Barbra Gordon the night before he was due to marry Starfire. Babs read him the riot act afterward when he tried inviting her to the wedding right after sex.

It's remarkable to think that even after that Babs wound up marrying him in Convergence.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Y'know, creepy Harley Quinn rape fantasies aside, I'd be worried if I were DC and I realized BOTH of the latest DCAU releases' biggest talking points were the controversial sex scenes...

[snake]

Y'know, creepy Harley Quinn rape fantasies aside,

You have them too?

[Autbot_Benz]

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[Spike Spiegel]

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Well, I think I figured out what she was looking down at...:D8);)

There's still an age gap there. She would have been a doctor at Arkham before he started college, I think...

[CyberCubed]

How old is Harley supposed to be, anyway? I always assumed she was somewhere in her mid to late 20's. Since she was a College graduate and psychologist before Joker messed her up.

Also Nightwing is when Dick was in College, so he's probably somewhere around 22-23 in this movie. So there's not much an age gap, only 5 years probably at most.

[Autbot_Benz]

There is also a scene where some guy grabs harley's ass and a bunch of girls dress as scantly clad versions of DC Super Heroines and are waitresses

https://twitter.com/strfires/status/897494450036977666

I think I will skip this movie

http://i.imgur.com/okv0zAr.jpg

[CyberCubed]

Who is this movie even aimed at? It's not for kids, and anyone who grew up with B:TAS in the 90's are now 25-30+ year old adults. Most of whom are likely married with children already.

This feels like something aimed at edgy teens, but the teens of today wouldn't care much for this.

[sdp]

It's aimed at me.

[Spike Spiegel]

The Harley/Nightwing scene was way more tastefully hot than the scenes from Killing Joke. And the bar stuff isn't any more risque than a lot of what they tried in Justice League Unlimited.

Dick graduated college before he became Nightwing, as shown in the TNBA episode "Old Wounds," which puts him in his mid-twenties, maybe??

So Harley has to be pushing 30, at least. I'd say more like mid-thirties.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

As someone who had no problem with the sexy scenes in Assault on Arkham, I gotta say, The Killing Joke and, to a lesser extent, Batman and Harley are kinda WTF. At this point, Bruce Timm really needs to be reined in.

[MikeandRaph87]

As someone who had no problem with the sexy scenes in Assault on Arkham, I gotta say, The Killing Joke and, to a lesser extent, Batman and Harley are kinda WTF. At this point, Bruce Timm really needs to be reined in.

I hated the lunch test into the furnace bit, but I absolutely loved the fun epic. Maybe this is more of your interest.

http://heroichollywood.b-cdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Batman-Two-Face-Adam-West.png?x42694

I am protective of my favorites Dick Grayson and Barbara Gordon. First Barbara intiates a one nighter on a roof top and Bruce gives in? He could be her father-in-law. Too much The Graduate.:teek: Now Harley kidnaps and seduces Dick Grayson? I do not understand the sexualization of Harley and Nightwing coming off as a piece of meat. Harley is supposed to be hung up on The Joker. Is it Batman's #2 and Joker's #2 fooling around supposed to incite conflict for Batman and Joker or cime off as completely put of character all around?

[CyberCubed]

Harley is supposed to be hung up on The Joker.

Actually nowadays Harley is too busy being lesbian lovers with Poision Ivy. Joker is now just treated as an old abusive boyfriend that Harley tried to get away from.

Speaking of that, I wouldn't be surprised if some future movie does focus on Harley/Ivy's relationship and another sex scene at this point. Knowing Bruce Timm he's probably writing on the script already.

[Spike Spiegel]

I just watched the movie and found it to be wildly uneven.



Harley farts (loudly) in the Batmobile.
The Harley/Nightwing sex scene is rather early in the film and creates tension between the two of them.
Swamp Thing shows up at the end and is rather epic but a little wasted as a cameo.
This is way more of a comedy than an action cartoon.
The plot with Poison Ivy/Floronic Man is actually relevant to today's sustainability concerns, but its thematic depth contrasts badly with the jokey bits.
Slightly gratuitous cursing and sexual references
This is a nostalgia fueled homage to what the little kid inside of you thinks Batman: The Animated Series was, but laced with contemporary Robot Chicken style comedy.
The after-credits scene is a zany bit with Harley hosting a reality game show and playing a Dr. Phil expy.
This completely contradicts DCAU canon unless it takes place after Return of the Joker (which would actually make sense).
Bruce Timm cameos as Booster Gold.
Harley has a lot of character development and a few rather touching scenes.

[sdp]

I'm sorry but this is all SJW bullcrap that has crept into geek fandom popular blogs and many of you just repeat what you are reading. Bruce Timm has always been a pervert.

Everything people are getting shocked at now has always been in his shows, always. The difference is before we didn't have these fake fans that only want to "move" their political agenda with our entertainment. Just look at those tweets that Autobot_Benz linked, pure one sided feminist propaganda.

Bruce Timm hasn't "sexualized" harley, the comics did it many many years ago, it's part of her character now and has been for long. Before that, she just wasn't a popular character outside of her small DCAU fandom, sorry but that's a fact. Sexualizing Harley is what made her into an A list villain turn anti-hero. She didn't "rape" Dick either, I just watched the clip and Dick also wanted to. Nothing is shown. Way to overblow a scene with some random pictures and lack of context.

Scenes were girls get objectified at the bar? Most of those are just comic accurate costumes and the "worst offenders" are just "sexy" versions of costumes you see in any halloween store that women like and buy.

Again, all of this stuff was in Timm's previous shows, only because they were for children they had to be more subtle about them, but the fan service and sexual references and implied sex has always been there. Also these DC movies have been out for over a decade and they have always included this type of content, the only difference now is people who are not fans are using it to further their political views.

And since when is violence ok since that seems to get no complains here and sex isn't? What happened to the previous liberal sex not violence they were pushing before?How come when it's gay relationships that they have they don't make a fuzz about it? Why the double standards? I find it disrespectful what that they're calling Timm this monster that should step down when he has done so many cool stories and can continue making them.

As far as character ages, in comics and superhero cartoons it doesn't matter, people age while everyone else stays the same age so in this case both Dick and Harley are both around the same age just like Batman is always 35 years old no matter what. And this is aimed at kids who grew up with the DCAU who now have a more "adult" version of an episode. I assure you no one (well most normal people) are not fapping to these scenes, they're just there to show you this isn't your kids' Batman show and adult things can happen.

[MikeandRaph87]

Check out Harlequinade episode from Batman:TAS. That is proof this is its own thing. Its a similar plot in Bruce and Dick needing Harley's help in locating the villain while on the clock. Also, Dick has quite a negative opinion of Harley Quinn calling her "Zippy".

[Spike Spiegel]

I was just thinking about Timm's body of work--

If any of you have read the "Harley and Ivy" comic book miniseries that he did with Paul Dini a little over a decade ago, this film is a lot like that. Very irreverent, more risque than the old TV show, but the characters and their tropes were quite recognizable.

There was also a very Hitchcockian Two-Face story that he did for "Batman: Black and White" that has a lot of sex and violence. The comic reads like something by Howard Chaykin, but with sleeker, curvier art.

I wasn't offended by the movie, per se. I just wish it was more consistent. If you want to do unabashed fanservice, fine. If you want drama, that's fine, too. But something about the way this story was putting the two together left me slightly unsatisfied. There needed to be more of a balance.

[sdp]

Yeah, I just found these scans (https://twitter.com/TanookiKuribo/status/898346900734189568) of the DCAU from back then and you didn't see people overreacting.


I agree with the inconsistency of these movies, but this is something that has plagued the DTVs since the original one. They just never had a "plan", they didn't know if to make vague adaptations of comics or their own thing when they should've all been connected from the beginning. Sadly when they did that they took the "New 52" Continuity which no one liked so it failed and now we're back to them doing whatever they want with no consistency or room to improve since each movie is different.

More than anything I think the problem is the writing, it isn't as strong as say the DTVs the DCAU had. A lot of this can be because each movie is mostly its own universe they have to reestablish the status quo in each film.

And yes the movies have gratuitous cursing/violence/sex, and while I'm fine with it, my virgin eyes aren't bothered by it, I just wrote along ass post defending it, the problem isn't that but the writing of the rest of the film isn't that great so it seems like those three things are the main selling points which is a shame. I'm still hyped to see another DCAU story though.


edit:well you deleted your post but I had already replied to it.

This Article/review sums up the movie perfectly

http://io9.gizmodo.com/batman-and-ha...-th-1797949316




That article highlights what's wrong with mainstream "geek culture" websites today.

Instead of having a non-biased review of the movie, you're left with a two sentence description of the film and many paragraphs about the sexualization of Harley Queen.

And it was done on purpose, that review was written with one thing in mind, to be controversial and get people to click on the article. They are bating both SJW and anti-SJW at the same time.

If it were an honest review it would talk about why the movie feels like a a long tv episode instead of leaving us wondering, how the animation was, what the plot was about, the length, entertainment value and then write one paragraph about how they sexualized harley too much, instead of focusing only on it.

Have you even watched the movie yet?

[CyberCubed]

It's times like this I'm glad the old DC shows had to deal with Fox/WB and then Cartoon Network's broadcast standards, or else most of this stuff would have been in those shows too. I mean I know sexual scenes have ALWAYS been there, but its been toned down considerably for obvious reasons that it aired on broadcast TV.

[sdp]

Ironically enough in the BTAS commentary Bruce Timm mentions just that. Sometimes to get stuff past the radar they ended up editing things in a way that it was more powerful than if they had actually shown it. I believe this is also the reason that the Ren and Stimpy adult revival failed, the adult humor worked better when it was implicit in Nickelodeon rather than explicit in ComedyCentral.

Anyone ever watched the Spawn HBO show? If you haven't then do it, it's BTAS tier. The first season includes tons of nudity/graphic violence/cursing to establish that this isn't a "kids superhero cartoon" and you can tell that's why it was getting so much focus, while the second and third are more subtle with them, there's still sex/violence/cursing but it's not overdone and it feels natural. It doesn't mean the first season had too much sex/violence but it just flows better even if I have no problem with it.

[CyberCubed]

Even something aimed at kids like Teen Titans 2003 had fanservice but it was done subtly and gracefully that kids would overlook it and it would just fly over the head of most people. In that episode Robin went on a date with that princess character with the dance, Starfire got jealous and her boobs bounce in a scene. Most kids would not even notice that, but the fanservice was subtle so adult fans if they care for it could see it.

With movies like this it's just too blatant.

[Spike Spiegel]

I woke up this morning thinking about this movie, and I realized that the Harley/Nightwing scene at the start is one of the most important parts of the film:



She gives that speech about what people expect her to be versus what she is.
The costume she wore at Superbabes was a clear reference to the New 52 version of her as drawn by Amanda Conner.
When she goes through her closet full of variant costumes and spouts off the pet names she has for each one ("here's Sucker Punch Harley, Goth Harley, etc."), you could read this as a response to how the recent comics and Suicide Squad movie have made her such a ubiquitous character and have created so many different ways to sexualize her.
When Nightwing is getting unnerved at the gratuitous ass shot, he's really representing the audience who grew up on TAS. Think about it, we all at one point wanted to be Robin and do cool stuff with Batman. Therefore, we identify with him. Here were see this iconic figure that we recall from our youth and are blatantly confronted with how she has changed over the years. It's comforting and familiar to see her, but these new feelings confuse us--has she changed, or did we?

[Redeemer]

watching the movie right now and I am disappointed they chose the character redesigns over the original BTAS designs. But hopefully the story will make up for it.

[snake]

I want to sexualize Harley Quinn with my penis.

[Shark_Blade]

http://imgur.com/qgXZys1.jpg

[TheSkeletonMan939]

I think the whole point is that the, er, proportions of her ass are comically exaggerated.

[Spike Spiegel]

http://imgur.com/qgXZys1.jpg

Oh, those darned men and their butt cracks! :roll:

That Twitter post matches so many online SJW stereotypes that it's almost physically painful to look at.

watching the movie right now and I am disappointed they chose the character redesigns over the original BTAS designs. But hopefully the story will make up for it.

I did notice that we had green skinned Poison Ivy with the actual hips of an adult woman (like the final volume of the "Batman Adventures" comics from the early 2000s) instead of TNBA's pale Ivy with a boyish figure. And the way she was written felt more like TAS than TNBA; I think in TNBA she was more robotic and ruthless. I always liked how in TAS, you understood how crazy she was, but her personal moral crusade about the environment, etc. made you "root" for her in a way (pun intended).

With the way things are in the world now, maybe we'd want one of her or Ra's al Ghul's plans to succeed. Imagine mutant plants defending the Standing Rock pipeline protesters....

[Autbot_Benz]

Oh, those darned men and their butt cracks! :roll:

That Twitter post matches so many online SJW stereotypes that it's almost physically painful to look at.

ya she is a bit of an SJW/Feminist just read her review of the movie on i09.com.

[Redeemer]

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ya she is a bit of an SJW/Feminist just read her review of the movie on i09.com.

Yeah I think she is full os it. If a man drew/designed that it would be anatomically correct. Instead of having two cracks :lol: Think about it a person can't look at their own backside. A perverted man would have made that thing look life like :lol:

Getting back on topic. I finished the movie and was really disappointed. I always respected and held Bruce Timm in high regard with what he has done(BATS) But now I am starting to believe Paul Dini is the only reason why BTAS was so good.

[CyberCubed]

Getting back on topic. I finished the movie and was really disappointed. I always respected and held Bruce Timm in high regard with what he has done(BATS) But now I am starting to believe Paul Dini is the only reason why BTAS was so good.

Well Bruce Timm WAS a great writer and did a lot of great stuff. The problem is he's pretty much gone off the deep end in his old age. This is what happens with writers sometimes as they get older, they turn into "hacks" or just go full porn mode and lose their talent.

The weird thing is it doesn't seem like he or the other DC writers listened to the criticism over The Killing Joke's Batgirl/Batman sex scene at all. The backlash was all over the internet, in interviews, and on social media so they weren't oblivious to it.

[ToTheNines]

Maybe he's a troll like you.

[snake]

Drawing an ass is now "full porn mode". I'd argue that the Nightwing scene was pretty tastefully done compared to the Assault on Arkham scene.

[CyberCubed]

Bruce Timm is 56 years old. There's no reason a guy pushing 60 should still be getting excited over drawing cartoon porn.

[snake]

Bruce Timm is 56 years old. There's no reason a guy pushing 60 should still be getting excited over drawing cartoon porn.

Why not? It isn't even porn, either. It's a shapely ass.

Have you ever seen his sketchbooks?

[Spike Spiegel]

Bruce Timm is 56 years old. There's no reason a guy pushing 60 should still be getting excited over drawing cartoon porn.

Why not? It isn't even porn, either. It's a shapely ass.

Have you ever seen his sketchbooks?

Booty is good at any age.

[snake]

Unless it's aged booty. Then it's no good.

[Spike Spiegel]

Unless it's aged booty. Then it's no good.

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...now I am starting to believe Paul Dini is the only reason why BTAS was so good.

I know he had a hand in writing Arkham Asylum. The other games in that trilogy were nowhere near as good in terms of story.

[AT-Man]

As a raging feminist, I loved this movie.

[Sumac]

I know he had a hand in writing Arkham Asylum. The other games in that trilogy were nowhere near as good in terms of story.
AFAIK, he was involved with writing Arkham City story, which was not good either. Though some of it on the developers, not story writers.

[ABrown]

I am still really surprised with how disappointed I was watching this last night. It wasn't even Melissa Rauch that I found disappointing, she wasn't bad. It's as if the movie was a really bad joke, and I didn't get the joke. I think it would've been better if it had all of the fat cut out, and it had just been a 30 minute New Batman Adventures episode back in the late 90's.

[Coola Yagami]

Bruce Timm is 56 years old. There's no reason a guy pushing 60 should still be getting excited over drawing cartoon porn.

He's not. These are full grown women, cartoon or not, women have desires and flaunt their assets. I won't say Bruce Timm does porn until we actually see a full on non-panaway shot, non-censored sex scene, which we won't.

Would you rather he either leaves the hot shapely womwn out altogether for people to complain that there are no girls in the movie at all, or only use unattractive women.

[Spike Spiegel]

This movie was very uneven, but let's not pretend that blatant sex jokes and fan service never existed in Batman: The Animated Series. And Harley Quinn was a large part of that from the start.

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[ToTheNines]

I am still really surprised with how disappointed I was watching this last night. It wasn't even Melissa Rauch that I found disappointing, she wasn't bad. It's as if the movie was a really bad joke, and I didn't get the joke. I think it would've been better if it had all of the fat cut out, and it had just been a 30 minute New Batman Adventures episode back in the late 90's.

Very well put. This story would have ended up a forgettable 22 min. episode. Certainly didn't warrant a "feature length" release.