Why do so many action movies never make back their budget at the box office?

[CyberCubed]

Nowadays it seems like its more and more common for big action movies to never make back their budget. We're seeing it recently even with major franchises like Star Trek, Ghostbusters, TMNT, Suicide Squad, and so forth.

Outside of high profile stuff like Star Wars (and I wonder if Rogue One will do anywhere as well as Episode 7 since its a spinoff), and Marvel movies, most movies have trouble making back their budget nowadays.

Is it a sign action movies have gotten too expensive to produce? Do you think we'll start seeing less of them?

[Powder]

'Cause they haven't been good since the 90's

[Electric]

God you're atrocious.

Suicide Squa has been out 4 ****ING DAYS YOU DUMB A$$!! You have no clue whether it will make back its budget or not. Jesus you have the mind of a 10 year old.

You're such a useless troll here

[TheSkeletonMan939]

CyberCubed has been really annoying lately. I wish his mom would put a parental lock on his computer until he lost this attitude of his.

[CyberCubed]

God you're atrocious.

Suicide Squa has been out 4 ****ING DAYS YOU DUMB A$$!! You have no clue whether it will make back its budget or not. Jesus you have the mind of a 10 year old.

You're such a useless troll here

You seem very touchy over how Suicide Squad does. Apparently it has to make more than $700 million. That's quite a lot to go.

[Electric]

You seem very touchy over how Suicide Squad does. Apparently it has to make more than $700 million. That's quite a lot to go.



I am because there's 4 idiots here on the drome that seem to have no lives outside of trying to bash this movie.

Movies have done that, and will continue to do that. The movie has been out 4 days idiot. You made this thread to bash the movie again. There's no others purpose here. Reporting it and needs to be closed

[CyberCubed]

I literally listed 4 recent movies that just came out. Suicide Squad happens to be one of them.

[Electric]

You listed 2 movies which just came out a week ago. You have no clue if they'll make their budget back. This is a ****** thread just so you could bash movies you don't like. Action movies make their budget all the time. If you really cared about this subject, delete two movie that make it inaccurate right now

[CyberCubed]

So if I didn't mention Suicide Squad you'd have no problem with this thread? Seems to be that one particular movie.

[Electric]

If you could drop the know it all attitude and read, I said two movies. Star Trek hasn't been out a month yet.

And yes suicide squad in particular! Because it's been out 4 DAYS you imbecile. You can't condemn a movie to not make its budget when it hasn't even been released it so many countries and only been in America for 4 days!
My god youre stupid

[DarthRaphael]

Nowadays it seems like its more and more common for big action movies to never make back their budget. We're seeing it recently even with major franchises like Star Trek, Ghostbusters, TMNT, Suicide Squad, and so forth.

Outside of high profile stuff like Star Wars (and I wonder if Rogue One will do anywhere as well as Episode 7 since its a spinoff), and Marvel movies, most movies have trouble making back their budget nowadays.

Is it a sign action movies have gotten too expensive to produce? Do you think we'll start seeing less of them?

Because they spend too much money on lame ideas. :trolleye:

[CyberCubed]

You seem overly angry for some reason. It's a thread about action movies trying to make their budget, not some vendetta over a single movie.

[DarthRaphael]

You seem overly angry for some reason. It's a thread about action movies trying to make their budget, not some vendetta over a single movie.

Including movies that just came out or are still in theaters is a bit unfair.

[Electric]

You seem overly angry for some reason. It's a thread about action movies trying to make their budget, not some vendetta over a single movie.


I'm angry because you are blatantly wrong here. Suicide squad can easily make its budget back. You have no ****ING clue. It's about time someone called you on your ****

[CyberCubed]

I'm angry because you are blatantly wrong here. Suicide squad can easily make its budget back. You have no ****ING clue. It's about time someone called you on your ****

Calm down, man. It's just a movie.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Who hates CyberCubed more - Electric, or ToTheNines?

[Electric]

Calm down, man. It's just a movie.


Sorry, just obnoxious when youre already condemning it and acting like it failed when it's been out 4 days.

You can't just be and idiot an expect to get by

[DarthRaphael]

I'm close to locking this one already.

[TigerClaw]

The movies would also make back it's budget when released on DVD/Blu-ray and Digital.

Sometimes a movie gets a sequel when it sells extremely well on home video, but most often then not, it be direct to video movies.

[Electric]

Please do. It's a crappy thread to bash on movies he doesn't like. That is its purpose. No good discussion will come out of this. Just him getting a free for all to critique whatever he wants.

[GoldMutant]

Ghostbusters- Comedy (though subjective)
Star Trek- Sci-Fi
OOTS- Action
Suicide Squad- Action/Superhero

Two of these are action movies, not all of them. They may have action, but are primarily the genres I mentioned. If you were as passionate for TMNT as film, you wouldn't be making rash statements. Lock the thread, and someone for the love of God put a check on Cube after this whole week.

[plastroncafe]

I would debate Star Trek being a Science Fiction movie.
The franchise as a whole I would call Sci-Fi, but the reboot is more action than anything else.

[Electric]

Ghostbusters- Comedy (though subjective)
Star Trek- Sci-Fi
OOTS- Action
Suicide Squad- Action/Superhero

Two of these are action movies, not all of them. They may have action, but are primarily the genres I mentioned. If you were as passionate for TMNT as film, you wouldn't be making rash statements. Lock the thread, and someone for the love of God put a check on Cube after this whole week.


Thank YOU!

This thread was garbage from the moment he made it. He just thinks he's always right and wanted a thread to bash these movies.

Needs to be locked. And why hasn't Cubed ever been temp banned or at least warned. His behavior is close to Mews, just with a less cats

[CyberCubed]

Ghostbusters- Comedy (though subjective)
Star Trek- Sci-Fi
OOTS- Action
Suicide Squad- Action/Superhero

Two of these are action movies, not all of them. They may have action, but are primarily the genres I mentioned. If you were as passionate for TMNT as film, you wouldn't be making rash statements. Lock the thread, and someone for the love of God put a check on Cube after this whole week.

All these movies are still action movies. They're different sub genre's like comedy or sci-fi but they're still action movies with huge set pieces.

[plastroncafe]

Thank YOU!

This thread was garbage from the moment he made it. He just thinks he's always right and wanted a thread to bash these movies.

Needs to be locked. And why hasn't Cubed ever been temp banned or at least warned. His behavior is close to Mews, just with a less cats

I spent 100+ pages wondering why the mods didn't step in and start wielding the ban-hammer. This one's just over two.

[ZariusTwo]

I am because there's 4 idiots here on the drome that seem to have no lives outside of trying to bash this movie.

Internet cliche #596897: Accuse people with critical faculties and standards as having "no life" due to personal insecurities over one's own subjective enjoyment of a movie.

[Electric]

I spent 100+ pages wondering why the mods didn't step in and start wielding the ban-hammer. This one's just over two.

He's an ugly presence here.
I don't think anyone here stirs up more controversy or causes more problems than cubed, even when Mew was here. Mew, like Goku just had the unfortunate problem of drawing attention to himself.

[Electric]

Internet cliche #596897: Accuse people with critical faculties and standards as having "no life" due to personal insecurities over one's own subjective enjoyment of a movie.

Internet cliche #6373848: personally insult another online member but then lose your **** whenever someone does it to you.

Shall I refer you to the Thread "ToTheNines Is Openly HARRASSING me!!!!"

[Candy Kappa]

standards

Standards like throwing the Orlando shooting in my face when I said PDOotS was depressing as a Turtle movie?

[ZariusTwo]

Standards like throwing the Orlando shooting in my face when I said PDOotS was depressing as a Turtle movie?

Not my fault you're out of synch with reality.

[Candy Kappa]

Not my fault you're out of synch with reality.

Nah, the one out of sync with reality, is you who drags in real-life tragedy to shut down criticism on the worst Fred Wolf adaptation we probably will ever see on the big screen.

But, you're classy that way. ;)

[Electric]

Oh my god, thank you Candy Kappa.

anyways, garbage thread officially garbage. Derailed and needs to be locked.

Would also like to point out that besides Mew, no one has more threads thrown in the disintegrator unit than Cubed. He needs some kind of warning

[GoldMutant]

Ah, fair enough plastron. :) Since I feel this is appropriate now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksuyYeFx8-M

(I am so sorry, I find it a perfect use here. :P) How long until someone gets banned in the thread? I'm honestly taking bets if it goes on.

[plastroncafe]

Isn't his name on a thread/post warning enough?

[Commenter 42]

Without China, it won't. Everyone says SS is just terrible, like, just the worst.
If this is the same kind of failure, hopefully they don't make anymore DC movies for a while. If they don't understand the characters, there's no point.

They should save themselves the hassle and just cancel Justice Leauge.
It looks terrible.

I think it was George Lucas who said we were approaching a tipping point.

[Candy Kappa]

Isn't his name on a thread/post warning enough?

Here be Dragons Cybercubed

[Electric]

Without China, it won't. Everyone says SS is just terrible, like, just the worst.
If this is the same kind of failure, hopefully they don't make anymore DC movies for a while. If they don't understand the characters, there's no point.

They should save themselves the hassle and just cancel Justice Leauge.
It looks terrible.


Garbage poster posts Garbage.

No one takes you seriously. I don't know why you bother joining discussions like this.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm just posting here to prove that I can before the thread locks.

Mods must be sleeping in. Don't blame them. Screw you, Monday.

[plastroncafe]

I'll be honest, I was seriously hoping to hijack this thread for a conversation about Science Fiction movies vs Movies with Science Fiction in Them.

Alas.

[CyberCubed]

I'll be honest, I was seriously hoping to hijack this thread for a conversation about Science Fiction movies vs Movies with Science Fiction in Them.

Alas.

The bulk of Star Trek movies are more geared toward action than sci-fi. Most likely because they have to make a plot to fit to 2 hours and make it mainstream enough.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'll be honest, I was seriously hoping to hijack this thread for a conversation about Science Fiction movies vs Movies with Science Fiction in Them.

Alas.

Alas and alack.

Man, it's been too long since I busted out that one. Alas and alack. Alliteration!

[Candy Kappa]

Action Nu-Trek turned Kirk into a Maverick. :tgrumble:

[Electric]

I'm just posting here to prove that I can before the thread locks.

Mods must be sleeping in. Don't blame them. Screw you, Monday.


Happens to the best of us

[Commenter 42]

George Lucas and Spielberge predict implosion (https://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/jun/13/steven-spielberg-george-lucas-film-industry)

[plastroncafe]

Action Nu-Trek turned Kirk into a Maverick. :tgrumble:

Yeah...I'm torn on NuKirk.
On the one hand...I really love the character. Like, I REALLY love that character. Mama likey a existential crisis

But on the other, is that really Kirk?
I mean, if we take the opening as it stands, has he only been doing diplomatic back and forth for the last three years? I can see Kirk getting bored with that.

He's got this awesome ship, and an awesome crew, and they're making him an errand boy? Yeah, that'll chafe.

I don't know that it'd chafe enough to make him willingly offer to be Vice Principal of a Space Station. No matter how fancy that Space Station may be.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

George Lucas and Spielberge predict implosion (https://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/jun/13/steven-spielberg-george-lucas-film-industry)

Two things wrong with that article.

#1. Since when does anyone listen to George Lucas anymore? His last success was Return of the Jedi.

#2. "Speaking at the opening of a new media centre at the University of Southern California, the two Hollywood titans painted a picture of a future in which the failure of half a dozen $250m movies in quick succession caused a seismic shift in studio dynamics, leading to audiences being asked to pay $25 (£15) a ticket for films such as Iron Man 3 but just $7 (£4.50) for movies such as Spielberg's own Lincoln."

Iron Man 3 ain't worth no $25. I still want my ticket money back for that atronicity. Worst CBM ever.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Action Nu-Trek turned Kirk into a Maverick. :tgrumble:

And Spock an emotional basket case.

And... apparently, Sulu gay!? Internet, react!

Okay, I'll stop. :tlol: Everyone already knows I hate and resent AbramsTrek. :trazz:

[Electric]

Two things wrong with that article.

#1. Since when does anyone listen to George Lucas anymore? His last success was Return of the Jedi.

#2. "Speaking at the opening of a new media centre at the University of Southern California, the two Hollywood titans painted a picture of a future in which the failure of half a dozen $250m movies in quick succession caused a seismic shift in studio dynamics, leading to audiences being asked to pay $25 (£15) a ticket for films such as Iron Man 3 but just $7 (£4.50) for movies such as Spielberg's own Lincoln."

Iron Man 3 ain't worth no $25. I still want my ticket money back for that atronicity. Worst CBM ever.



^^^

Gotta be proud of Commenter though. He actually posted something as a defense that was actually semi-relevant to this topic for once, even if it meant nothing, rather than just childish mocking and argument baiting

[ZariusTwo]

even if it meant nothing, rather than just childish mocking and argument baiting

Like you've resorted to doing?:roll:

[plastroncafe]

Two things wrong with that article.

#1. Since when does anyone listen to George Lucas anymore? His last success was Return of the Jedi.

#2. "Speaking at the opening of a new media centre at the University of Southern California, the two Hollywood titans painted a picture of a future in which the failure of half a dozen $250m movies in quick succession caused a seismic shift in studio dynamics, leading to audiences being asked to pay $25 (£15) a ticket for films such as Iron Man 3 but just $7 (£4.50) for movies such as Spielberg's own Lincoln."

Iron Man 3 ain't worth no $25. I still want my ticket money back for that atronicity. Worst CBM ever.

You misspelled Iron-Man 2.
;)

And Spock an emotional basket case.

And... apparently, Sulu gay!? Internet, react!

Okay, I'll stop. :tlol: Everyone already knows I hate and resent AbramsTrek. :trazz:

I know, I kind of wish they'd kissed.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/600x315/c0/90/d0/c090d03aacaa0956f871f42b53540793.jpg

I enjoy those movies a lot, though honestly save for this most recent one, I'd likely be fast-forwarding to the banter. I like banter.

Man, what I wouldn't give to have that cast actually do an episodic, true Sci Fi tv show...

[Candy Kappa]

And Spock an emotional basket case.

And... apparently, Sulu gay!? Internet, react!

Okay, I'll stop. :tlol: Everyone already knows I hate and resent AbramsTrek. :trazz:

I don't mind nu-Sulu being gay, it's a new universe with new stories that are different. And I don't think we've seen much that would make it seem that nu-Sulu was closeted, granted I've not seen Darkness or Beyond, so I could be wrong.

I mean, Takei main issue was that in the future of Roddenberry, Sulu wouldn't need to be closeted. But, Nu-Trek isn't the same universe as ToS so Sulu can be gay without being closeted as Takei disliked.

[ToTheNines]

Lol, this thread....

Who hates CyberCubed more - Electric, or ToTheNines?

Still me. Although, I gotta say it's cracking me up how it's cool to hate on cubed this week. He's been this annoying since Al Gore invented the internet and y'all have just been all "that's our cybercubed" until now.


Needs to be locked. And why hasn't Cubed ever been temp banned or at least warned. His behavior is close to Mews, just with a less cats

Lmao. Apt.

I spent 100+ pages wondering why the mods didn't step in and start wielding the ban-hammer. This one's just over two.

Which thread are you referring to? Or do you just mean his collective post history?

[Electric]

Like you've resorted to doing?:roll:


To him, absolutely. I believe he doesn't understand otherwise, considering he only posts like that

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

You misspelled Iron-Man 2.
;)

I enjoy those movies a lot, though honestly save for this most recent one, I'd likely be fast-forwarding to the banter. I like banter.

Man, what I wouldn't give to have that cast actually do an episodic, true Sci Fi tv show...

Oh come on!!! Iron Man 2 had Black Widow!!!! Iron Man 3 had... a stuffed rabbit with disturbing anatomic optical illusions?

I don't mind nu-Sulu being gay, it's a new universe with new stories that are different. And I don't think we've seen much that would make it seem that nu-Sulu was closeted, granted I've not seen Darkness or Beyond, so I could be wrong.

I mean, Takei main issue was that in the future of Roddenberry, Sulu wouldn't need to be closeted. But, Nu-Trek isn't the same universe as ToS so Sulu can be gay without being closeted as Takei disliked.

I don't mind it either, I was just referring to the internet hullaboo over it.

Abrams cast perfect beautiful people for this Trek series. I just take issue with the writing and characterization. Blech. (And the outrageous misuse of Idris Elba and Benedict Cumberbatch.)

[Candy Kappa]

Oh yeah, the Nu cast is really on-point. Chris Pine do look like a young Kirk it's kinda eerie.

[plastroncafe]

Oh come on!!! Iron Man 2 had Black Widow!!!! Iron Man 3 had... a stuffed rabbit with disturbing anatomic optical illusions?


It also had Two Villains because it's the 2nd movie.
So there has to be Two Bad Guys.
Ugh, I hate that so much. The number of villains does not need to match the number in the title!


Abrams cast perfect beautiful people for this Trek series. I just take issue with the writing and characterization. Blech. (And the outrageous misuse of Idris Elba and Benedict Cumberbatch.)

I almost kind of wish they'd swapped them.
Elba as Khan, and Cumberbatch as Krall.

I mean...Elba already is genetically perfect.
Look at the guy!

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Oh yeah, the Nu cast is really on-point. Chris Pine do look like a young Kirk it's kinda eerie.

Agreed. I like him better than Shatner, honestly. Shatner was a bit goofy. And Karl Urban is the best. Just the best.

Only Simon Pegg is a weird choice. I don't buy him as Scotty at all.

Maybe... hmm. Gonna have to think who would be better. I'll get back to people on this. :tlol:

[Commenter 42]

Two things wrong with that article.

#1. Since when does anyone listen to George Lucas anymore? His last success was Return of the Jedi.

#2. "Speaking at the opening of a new media centre at the University of Southern California, the two Hollywood titans painted a picture of a future in which the failure of half a dozen $250m movies in quick succession caused a seismic shift in studio dynamics, leading to audiences being asked to pay $25 (£15) a ticket for films such as Iron Man 3 but just $7 (£4.50) for movies such as Spielberg's own Lincoln."

Iron Man 3 ain't worth no $25. I still want my ticket money back for that atronicity. Worst CBM ever.

Green Lantern. MOS. BVS.
Worst CBM's. EVER.

I'd say we're on track for their predictions to come true. Nothing's really done well this Summer, but most notably the tent poles.

If it wasn't for Fanboys going multiple times, it would be a flat out disaster.

[plastroncafe]

Agreed. I like him better than Shatner, honestly. Shatner was a bit goofy. And Karl Urban is the best. Just the best.

Only Simon Pegg is a weird choice. I don't buy him as Scotty at all.

Maybe... hmm. Gonna have to think who would be better. I'll get back to people on this. :tlol:

I love Quinto as Spock so much that I kind of want them to move forward with the Galaxy Quest series, and have him play Alexander.

[snake]

Green Lantern. MOS. BVS.
Worst CBM's. EVER.

I'd say we're on track for their predictions to come true. Nothing's really done well this Summer, but most notably the tent poles.

If it wasn't for Fanboys going multiple times, it would be a flat out disaster.

So Fan4stic, Spider-Man 3, The Amazing Spider-Man, and Batman and Robin don't exist now? Ok.

Batman Vs Superman wasn't bad at all.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Green Lantern. MOS. BVS.
Worst CBM's. EVER.

I'd say we're on track for their predictions to come true. Nothing's really done well this Summer, but most notably the tent poles.

If it wasn't for Fanboys going multiple times, it would be a flat out disaster.

Nah, not even close. Iron Man 3, Thor 2. Worst CBMs ever.

If it weren't for Marvel fanboys going multiple times and following The Avengers, they'd be flat out disasters.

Opinions.

Actually, Fant4stic is the worst. Absolutely the worst. I keep forgetting that was a thing.

I love Quinto as Spock so much that I kind of want them to move forward with the Galaxy Quest series, and have him play Alexander.

I like the look and at times, he's done okay. But they've made him so emotional... I can't approve. Ugh. I don't mind an emotional Vulcan, but that's not Spock. Even in an alternate reality, it doesn't work for me.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It also had Two Villains because it's the 2nd movie.
So there has to be Two Bad Guys.
Ugh, I hate that so much. The number of villains does not need to match the number in the title!

I almost kind of wish they'd swapped them.
Elba as Khan, and Cumberbatch as Krall.

I mean...Elba already is genetically perfect.
Look at the guy!

Iron Man 3 also had 3 villains. It had... it had... <trying to remember> Guy Pearce and Sir Ben Kingsley.

Cumberbatch as Krall? Hmm... Smaug in Star Trek? I'd be okay with that.

Wow. Yes. Elba as Khan... Elba has much more intimidation presence and physicality to work with.

[Candy Kappa]

Steel, Catwoman, Wonder Woman (1974), Captain America (1990), The Spirit, Doctor Strange (1978 ).

[plastroncafe]

Nah, not even close. Iron Man 3, Thor 2. Worst CBMs ever.

If it weren't for Marvel fanboys going multiple times and following The Avengers, they'd be flat out disasters.

Opinions.


It pains me that we have come to this impasse.

My least favorite Superhero movies:
Green Lantern
Catwoman
Man of Steel
Constantine
The Wolverine movies (not even my undying love for Liev Schriber could salvage that trainwreck)
And then most of the X-men movies...


I like the look and at times, he's done okay. But they've made him so emotional... I can't approve. Ugh. I don't mind an emotional Vulcan, but that's not Spock. Even in an alternate reality, it doesn't work for me.

I totally admit that Quinto doesn't quite have the nuance that Nimoy had.
They say playing dumb is one of the harder things to do, acting wise, but I think being a Vulcan ranks right up there. You've got to get a lot of range out of having absolutely no range.

Iron Man 3 also had 3 villains. It had... it had... <trying to remember> Guy Pearce and Sir Ben Kingsley.

Kingsley wasn't a villain, he was a patsy.


Wow. Yes. Elba as Khan... Elba has much more intimidation presence and physicality to work with.

I cannot WAIT to see him as Roland in Dark Tower.

[snake]

Fan4stic is seriously one of the worst things I've seen in my life. The entire first hour is actually pretty solid and then it's full blown bad.

[Electric]

So Fan4stic, Spider-Man 3, The Amazing Spider-Man, and Batman and Robin don't exist now? Ok.

Batman Vs Superman wasn't bad at all.


Please, don't try to correct him with accuracy. He doesn't care

[GoldMutant]

You know, this actually gives me an idea, someone should review every Marvel and DC movie produced. I'd think it'd be an idea; that, or make two individual threads, one for each company.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

So Fan4stic, Spider-Man 3, The Amazing Spider-Man, and Batman and Robin don't exist now? Ok.

Batman Vs Superman wasn't bad at all.

I forgot about the Amazing Spiderman 1 and 2. And I considered listing Batman & Robin and Batman Forever, but eh, we all know those sucked. I try to forget about those.

It pains me that we have come to this impasse.

My least favorite Superhero movies:
Green Lantern
Catwoman
Man of Steel
Constantine
The Wolverine movies (not even my undying love for Liev Schriber could salvage that trainwreck)
And then most of the X-men movies...

I totally admit that Quinto doesn't quite have the nuance that Nimoy had.
They say playing dumb is one of the harder things to do, acting wise, but I think being a Vulcan ranks right up there. You've got to get a lot of range out of having absolutely no range.

Kingsley wasn't a villain, he was a patsy.

I cannot WAIT to see him as Roland in Dark Tower.

I thought Green Lantern's hate was overrated; the film was more "eh" than "ugh." Can't bring myself to watch Catwoman or Constantine.

And yeah, I'll agree with you on the Wolverine/X-Men movies. First Class is the only one I can rewatch without once using the "fast forward" button on my remote. Waiting to Redbox Apocalypse...

That's a really good point on playing a Vulcan. I never considered that. I don't mind Quinto's acting, just the script he was given to act.

I know... Trevor was the fall guy. :tlol: I'm not interested in actually debating the Iron Man 2/3 merits with you; we've done it before and we both respect the other's opinion. I was just enjoying the back and forth. :twink:

But Justin Hammer ate lollipops and ice cream! And Whiplash had a cockatoo! HOW can you not like that movie!? :trazz:

Kingsley was a great Bagheera. And yes, Roland should be amazing.

[Commenter 42]

Nah, not even close. Iron Man 3, Thor 2. Worst CBMs ever.

Disagree. Maybe it didn't check all the boxes, but they aren't terrible films, in the way that MOS and BVS are, films that don't actually have a narrative.

Green Lantern just makes me cringe...that one's just me.



Actually, Fant4stic is the worst. Absolutely the worst. I keep forgetting that was a thing.

It was bad, but so was Wolverine Origins, X-men 3...Spiderman3...Batman& Robin
It's a long list really...

[plastroncafe]

I could support this.
But it'd need to be some sort of at least seemingly objective assessment.

Detailed lists of plot holes, or logical inconsistencies involving the plot.
Daddy issues measured on a scale of 0 to 5.
Stuff like that.

I forgot about the Amazing Spiderman 1 and 2. And I considered listing Batman & Robin and Batman Forever, but eh, we all know those sucked. I try to forget about those.

I love me some camp, and even I didn't like Batman Forever.
Hell, I was working at a WB store at the time and watched it for free during my lunch breaks.
I will never get that time back.

I thought Green Lantern's hate was overrated; the film was more "eh" than "ugh." Can't bring myself to watch Catwoman or Constantine.

GL just made me sad, because Ryan Reynolds was clearly so excited and trying so hard.
That movie was just...it was just not good at all.

Constantine is actually not a bad movie, it's just nothing even remotely close to a Hellblazer movie.
Which is frustrating beyond measure.

(I've never actually seen Catwoman, but I like to add that one for reasons.

And yeah, I'll agree with you on the Wolverine/X-Men movies. First Class is the only one I can rewatch without once using the "fast forward" button on my remote. Waiting to Redbox Apocalypse...

I think the only X movie I like is the second one.
And this one:
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First Class just doesn't work for me at all, which is odd because I love all the parts.

That's a really good point on playing a Vulcan. I never considered that. I don't mind Quinto's acting, just the script he was given to act.
Yeah...that I can see

I know... Trevor was the fall guy. :tlol: I'm not interested in actually debating the Iron Man 2/3 merits with you; we've done it before and we both respect the other's opinion. I was just enjoying the back and forth. :twink:

Oh I don't respect your opinion. I respect you.
:D?!


Kingsley was a great Bagheera. And yes, Roland should be amazing.
I watched that movie on the way home from SDCC.
Actually, I watched that one and Zootopia, because apparently I couldn't get enough Elba as an animated animal.
I...might need an intervention.

[Candy Kappa]

You know, this actually gives me an idea, someone should review every Marvel and DC movie produced. I'd think it'd be an idea; that, or make two individual threads, one for each company.

I'm relatively up to snuff with Marvel movies except for the 1940's Captain America serial and the 3rd TV Hulk movie since I've only seen season 1. Had a period where I watched every Marvel Movie I could get my hands on from Reb Brown Captain America to the 1994 FF movie and so on :lol:

[Commenter 42]

Steel, Catwoman, Wonder Woman (1974), Captain America (1990), The Spirit, Doctor Strange (1978 ).

Meteorman? Can we claim that as well? The Shadow?

I miss wandering video stores. Searching itunes and Netflix doesn't hold the same thrill.

[GoldMutant]

I'm relatively up to snuff with Marvel movies except for the 1940's Captain America serial and the 3rd TV Hulk movie since I've only seen season 1. Had a period where I watched every Marvel Movie I could get my hands on from Reb Brown Captain America to the 1994 FF movie and so on :lol:

:lol: Death of the Incredible Hulk was alright; if you like Bill's Banner, you'll probably enjoy it. The plot I feel was very over the top, but in true Hulk essence, it's a bittersweet film; even more bittersweet that it's the final movie featuring Bixby in the role before his passing to cancer. :(

Yep, it's mission time then. I'll brave every Marvel and DC movie... then I'll pray for my survival. Time to do some research.

[Candy Kappa]

:lol: Death of the Incredible Hulk was alright; if you like Bill's Banner, you'll probably enjoy it. The plot I feel was very over the top, but in true Hulk essence, it's a bittersweet film; even more bittersweet that it's the final movie featuring Bixby in the role before his passing to cancer. :(

Yep, it's mission time then. I'll brave every Marvel and DC movie... then I'll pray for my survival. Time to do some research.

I really enjoyed season 1 (still baffled with "David" usage :lol: ) and the first movie... I realized I've actually not seen the second one either, just the clips with Daredevil.

have fun with the watch-through. You'll.... enjoy... Generation X and Captain America 2 Death Too Soon :tlol:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

GL just made me sad, because Ryan Reynolds was clearly so excited and trying so hard.
That movie was just...it was just not good at all.

First Class just doesn't work for me at all, which is odd because I love all the parts.

Oh I don't respect your opinion. I respect you.
:D?!

I watched that movie on the way home from SDCC.
Actually, I watched that one and Zootopia, because apparently I couldn't get enough Elba as an animated animal.
I...might need an intervention.

GL seems like if it had come out at the time of Batman Begins and Iron Man, that it might have been better received. I think it wasn't a TERRIBLE movie, it was just overshadowed by much better movies and the promise of much better movies, so everybody just looked at it, sighed like an impatient parent, and said, "Yeah, try harder next time, kiddo."

Awwww... just for that, I promise to clear your browser history of all that Idris Elba animal cosplay if anything happens to you. :twink:

He was a GREAT Shere Khan. Him lying on the rock with the wolf cubs telling them about the cuckoo... THAT was amazing.

[Candy Kappa]

Meteorman? Can we claim that as well? The Shadow?

Meteor Man is a cinematic masterpiece :lol:

I miss wandering video stores. Searching itunes and Netflix doesn't hold the same thrill.

I feel ya. Netflix in Norway is extremely limited, there's a few so-bad-its-good horror movies there but I've seen them all by now.

And they removed Star Trek TOS before I got to watch through season 3, those bastards. They also removed Godzilla 2014 the day before I decided it was time to see it.

[Commenter 42]

Meteor Man is a cinematic masterpiece :lol:



I feel ya. Netflix in Norway is extremely limited, there's a few so-bad-its-good horror movies there but I've seen them all by now.

And they removed Star Trek TOS before I got to watch through season 3, those bastards. They also removed Godzilla 2014 the day before I decided it was time to see it.

I really don't understand the reason for pulling anything. Maybe it's licensing, but it still drives me crazy.

[plastroncafe]

GL seems like if it had come out at the time of Batman Begins and Iron Man, that it might have been better received. I think it wasn't a TERRIBLE movie, it was just overshadowed by much better movies and the promise of much better movies, so everybody just looked at it, sighed like an impatient parent, and said, "Yeah, try harder next time, kiddo."

It wasn't the timing of the thing, but rather the thing itself.
It felt to me like there were too many cooks in that particular kitchen.
That rather than one vision, there were multiple, all competing for that ever prized Lowest Common Denominator.

Awwww... just for that, I promise to clear your browser history of all that Idris Elba animal cosplay if anything happens to you. :twink:


YOU DO CARE!
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He was a GREAT Shere Khan. Him lying on the rock with the wolf cubs telling them about the cuckoo... THAT was amazing.

I thought I was prepared having seen the trailer, but...I was not prepared.
(Weakest part of that movie was Louie singing, which is a shame...because everyone should love Walken singing.)

[AT-Man]

Well, did you even SEE the trailers??

Then again, TMNT2's trailer was better than the movie.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It wasn't the timing of the thing, but rather the thing itself.
It felt to me like there were too many cooks in that particular kitchen.
That rather than one vision, there were multiple, all competing for that ever prized Lowest Common Denominator.

YOU DO CARE!
https://67.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzvhb8njcR1rqq1iao1_500.gif

I thought I was prepared having seen the trailer, but...I was not prepared.
(Weakest part of that movie was Louie singing, which is a shame...because everyone should love Walken singing.)

Always.

I think for me, the weakest part was Mowgli being chased through the tree in the finale. I figured out his plan and then the movie took 5 more minutes to get to it. It felt tedious.

[plastroncafe]

Always.

I think for me, the weakest part was Mowgli being chased through the tree in the finale. I figured out his plan and then the movie took 5 more minutes to get to it. It felt tedious.

Yeah, agreed.
Though, all too often the scope of a world is shunted in the name of expediency of narrative.

Like...how long the Fellowship was in Moiria, or how anyone gets anywhere in season 3 of Game of Thrones.

Seriously, does Varys have a teleporter?! What the hell is up with that?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Yeah, agreed.
Though, all too often the scope of a world is shunted in the name of expediency of narrative.

Like...how long the Fellowship was in Moiria, or how anyone gets anywhere in season 3 of Game of Thrones.

Seriously, does Varys have a teleporter?! What the hell is up with that?

Yeah. I get they're trying to build tension, but for me, it went the exact opposite direction. Fall to your fiery death already, you stupid tiger!

[DarthRaphael]

Y'all are playing nice now so I don't feel the need to lock it yet.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Y'all are playing nice now so I don't feel the need to lock it yet.

Thanks for monitoring. It's been nice knowing you could step in and shut it down if need be.

I mean that honestly, that wasn't sarcasm. Genuinely appreciated.

[DarthRaphael]

Thanks for monitoring. It's been nice knowing you could step in and shut it down if need be.

I mean that honestly, that wasn't sarcasm. Genuinely appreciated.

When you guys steer things in the right direction on your own I smile a little inside. :tgrin:

[plastroncafe]

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[CyberCubed]

I wonder if the problem is they keep making these movies with these huge expensive set pieces when they don't have to. Does every movie need constant explosions, an alien vortex in the middle of the sky with an army of aliens/robots/monsters attacking the city in all CG, and so forth?

Most of these movies are too expensive for their own good.

[Candy Kappa]

I wonder if the problem is they keep making these movies with these huge expensive set pieces when they don't have to. Does every movie need constant explosions, an alien vortex in the middle of the sky with an army of aliens/robots/monsters attacking the city in all CG, and so forth?

Most of these movies are too expensive for their own good.

Which is why people should take notice from Deadpool, not the R rated part, but that it's a great looking movie on $58M budget that raked in $750M+

[Commenter 42]

So Fan4stic, Spider-Man 3, The Amazing Spider-Man, and Batman and Robin don't exist now? Ok.

Batman Vs Superman wasn't bad at all.

Explain the plot, without laughing. I dare you. :lol:
The film has no internal logic, at all. It has shots Snyder thinks is cool. it's not a cohesive story.
Martha-martha-martha!!!


Please, don't try to correct him with accuracy. He doesn't care

If you were accurate, I would. So far, you're just a loud mouthed kid, and un-original. You are PGPuke, you are Samx, you are boring.

Which is why people should take notice from Deadpool, not the R rated part, but that it's a great looking movie on $58M budget that raked in $750M+
It was good, not great. The effects suffered at 58m. The scope of the story too - BUT yes, it had a great heart. I don't think the budgets need to be 200m...but 58 is tight in todays world.

[snake]

The only part of BvS I don't like was "Martha" and the third act

[ToTheNines]

The only part of BvS I don't like was "Martha" and the third act

Lmao, the third act was the only thing worth watching.

[Netkeeper]

I wonder if the problem is they keep making these movies with these huge expensive set pieces when they don't have to. Does every movie need constant explosions, an alien vortex in the middle of the sky with an army of aliens/robots/monsters attacking the city in all CG, and so forth?

Most of these movies are too expensive for their own good.
it feels like they're still going all "ooooh shiny" about set pieces and cgi. we have the technology to do that and do it well, so they just wanna use it.

[snake]

Lmao, the third act was the only thing worth watching.

I didn't like how buddy buddy Batman and Superman were. The action was solid though.

[Netkeeper]

I didn't like how buddy buddy Batman and Superman were.
please be nice to the shippers

are there even people that ship this, oh god why am i asking

[Commenter 42]

The only part of BvS I don't like was "Martha" and the third act

The opening 8 minutes - sure, not bad. It's a good place to start...but kind of stupid...he's Batman, but he's running into the action on foot, dressed as Bruce Wayne? People waiting for call to evacuate the building?
But it just crumbles from there ... no internal logic. Maybe if we started with Bruce INSIDE, showing his heroism as he's doing what he can to save his employees, but at every turn he's losing people as the building collapses and explodes from heat vision.
If despite everything he could do as a man, this "God" was thwarting his efforts, possibly culminating in no survivors, and Bruce watching first hand, maybe then it makes more sense, that he goes ballistic, suffering from a second devastating experience, where he was helpless, like the day his parents died...
Then yeah...you've set the stage.

This didn't do that.

Lmao, the third act was the only thing worth watching.

WW in action was cool. I like that she retains her femininity in battle, instead of being all Zena and butch. That was nice to see. I thought, of the whole mess, we at least got a cool WW. Watching the doomsday fight, in 3D was neat. That was it.

But it's not a good movie. it has some memorable moments, most of whihc were in the trailer. it has a sort of iconic theme for WW.

A film id not "a set up" These kids today with the "but it sets up for". NO!!!!
the film is the story, not the prelude, not the forward, not the preface. It's empty!

[snake]

please be nice to the shippers

are there even people that ship this, oh god why am i asking

Oh you know that's a ship

I liked BvS. It wasn't perfect, I'd change some of it, but i enjoyed it for the most part. It's capesh*t, not Felini.

[Electric]

If you were accurate, I would. So far, you're just a loud mouthed kid, and un-original. You are PGPuke, you are Samx, you are boring.



You're kidding right? Like your posts offer any more value than mine? Half of them aren't even on the subject, but exactly these type of posts. Blatant insults, mocking and teasing. You're a troll.

And by the way, I'm in my 20s, don't know where this demeaning "kid" insult comes from but just speaks to your lack of ability to maintain any form of debate

[ToTheNines]

Guys, this has been like the best day ever. Don't let it end.

[Prowler]

WTF at the "cybercubedthecuck" tag?

[Netkeeper]

Huh, it wasn't Mew and Etsy putting those stupid ****** tags on threads.

Guess I'm wrong sometimes.

[plastroncafe]

Really?
Those two never struck me as MRA enough to try and use that as an insult.

[Commenter 42]

And by the way, I'm in my 20s, don't know where this demeaning "kid" insult comes from but just speaks to your lack of ability to maintain any form of debate

That folks, is irony.
:lol:
Even your friends are telling you to shut up. Go on now. We've had enough.

[Electric]

That folks, is irony.
:lol:
Even your friends are telling you to shut up. Go on now. We've had enough.

If you're referring to Gold, he's already apologized.

We've had enough of you. Your entire presence here is just trolling and arguing. You do absolutely nothing else. You physically cannot. When you don't know what to say, you resort to mocking and teasing (hence your post) and its tiringly pathetic.

I've read your recent posts, and it's all the same. Troll troll troll troll troll

[Prowler]

Really?
Those two never struck me as MRA enough to try and use that as an insult.
What is MRA?

[plastroncafe]

What is MRA?

Men's Rights Activists.
Think He Man woman haters club, and you've got the gist of it.

[Prowler]

Really?
Those two never struck me as MRA enough to try and use that as an insult.

Men's Rights Activists.
Think He Man woman haters club, and you've got the gist of it.
I have no rights? Since when? :-?

He Man was before my time, so no idea.

[Netkeeper]

Really?
Those two never struck me as MRA enough to try and use that as an insult.
I thought they were using it without knowing what it means, as young children tend to do.

I have no rights? Since when? :-?
MRAs think women hold all the power and are very embarrassing

[plastroncafe]

I have no rights? Since when? :-?

He Man was before my time, so no idea.

It's an expression dating back from the Little Rascals.
Basically any club whose sole existence is the exclusion of women, is a He Man's Woman Hater Club.

I was going to say think, "No Ma'am" from Married with Children, or "GROSS: Get Rid of Slimy girlS" from Calvin and Hobbes, but seeing as you've already dated yourself as too young to know He-Man, I don't know that you'll catch these references either.

Uh...they wear triblies and say they're fedoras.
Often bandy about the acronym "SJW" and talk about how feminists, females, and nu-men are ruining everything!

I just like that they've adopted "cuck" as an insult.
Basically it's saying:
"Oh yeah? Well your wife sleeps with other men!"

[Prowler]

It's an expression dating back from the Little Rascals.
Basically any club whose sole existence is the exclusion of women, is a He Man's Woman Hater Club.

I was going to say think, "No Ma'am" from Married with Children, or "GROSS: Get Rid of Slimy girlS" from Calvin and Hobbes, but seeing as you've already dated yourself as too young to know He-Man, I don't know that you'll catch these references either.

Uh...they wear triblies and say they're fedoras.
Often bandy about the acronym "SJW" and talk about how feminists, females, and nu-men are ruining everything!

I just like that they've adopted "cuck" as an insult.
Basically it's saying:
"Oh yeah? Well your wife sleeps with other men!"
I've honestly never seen a guy wearing a fedora. And if I did it must have been a long time ago. I certainly don't know anyone who wears one. Surely it's an urban myth?

[Commenter 42]

...

How many times do I need to tell you to stop? Do you even know what a ****ing troll is?

I can't even with you...

[plastroncafe]

I've honestly never seen a guy wearing a fedora. And if I did it must have been a long time ago. I certainly don't know anyone who wears one. Surely it's an urban myth?

Chances are good if one day do you do see a guy wearing one, and he also isn't wearing a suit, it's not a fedora he's wearing at all. That's a trilby. Which looks a whole lot like a fedora, but isn't. Which is...fitting, in its own way.

[Electric]

How many times do I need to tell you to stop? Do you even know what a ****ing troll is?

I can't even with you...



How many times do I have to tell you?? I'm not sitting here arguing with myself? You're not innocent in this. If what I'm doing is trolling, you better believe you've been doing a hell of a lot of it

[Commenter 42]

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You're on ignore. Peaceout.

[Electric]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view6/2077970/dog-chasing-tail-o.gif

You're on ignore. Peaceout.


Thank god. Join my list. You're downright awful here, and I'm certainly not alone in thinking that.

[Prowler]

Chances are good if one day do you do see a guy wearing one, and he also isn't wearing a suit, it's not a fedora he's wearing at all. That's a trilby. Which looks a whole lot like a fedora, but isn't. Which is...fitting, in its own way.
Nah, I don't really see dudes wearing hats often unless they're caps. But those are usually under 23 and tend to be more street or even "thugs". Most guys seem to stop wearing caps after age of 16 here. Dat European fashion elitism.

[Netkeeper]

Chances are good if one day do you do see a guy wearing one, and he also isn't wearing a suit, it's not a fedora he's wearing at all. That's a trilby. Which looks a whole lot like a fedora, but isn't. Which is...fitting, in its own way.
It really is, the fact that they wear trilbies but call them fedoras is the best part and I'm glad you pointed it out

[The Deadman]

If you could drop the know it all attitude and read, I said two movies. Star Trek hasn't been out a month yet.

And yes suicide squad in particular! Because it's been out 4 DAYS you imbecile. You can't condemn a movie to not make its budget when it hasn't even been released it so many countries and only been in America for 4 days!
My god youre stupid

Hasn't Suicide Squad made its budget back worldwide? Pretty sure I read they made 200+ mil from the opening weekend.

[NinjaPug]

Hasn't Suicide Squad made its budget back worldwide? Pretty sure I read they made 200+ mil from the opening weekend.

No the studio has not made the budget back

[CyberCubed]

Hasn't Suicide Squad made its budget back worldwide? Pretty sure I read they made 200+ mil from the opening weekend.

They need to make $750-800 million as far as I last saw.

[The Deadman]

I just double checked and it had a budget of 175mil and right now is sitting at 267mil (again, I'm assuming that's a worldwide total).

[Candy Kappa]

On a $175M budget?

Damn, they must have spent a lot on marketing if they ave to reach $750M+ instead of $450M+

[Katie]

Apparently it is doing so well that Man of Steel 2 has been greenlit. :D

[CyberCubed]

It says right here Suicide Squad needs to make over $700 million to break even. It also won't be released in China:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/08/05/suicide-squad-likely-wont-get-released-in-china

[NinjaPug]

Studios only end up with 40-50% of the box office depending on how favorable exchange rates are

[CyberCubed]

Also when they say a budget for a movie, do they also take into account the salaries for all the actors, the director, the musicians, and well...everyone who worked on the movie? Does the paychecks of everyone count in the "budget?"

If Will Smith walked away from this with a good $10 million dollars, is that part of the budget?

[Snakeweed]

I don't know, it has only been a few days. And its hasn't been released in every country...I think there's still a chance it could make its budget back

[Prowler]

Also when they say a budget for a movie, do they also take into account the salaries for all the actors, the director, the musicians, and well...everyone who worked on the movie? Does the paychecks of everyone count in the "budget?"

If Will Smith walked away from this with a good $10 million dollars, is that part of the budget?
I've always figured the movie budget was how much money was poured into production values.

[Candy Kappa]

What I've seen is that a movie have to make either x2 their budget, x2.5 or three times the budget to break even.

The released number of a movie's budget is not the actual number, and marketing is not included in the released number. Marketing cost can be as high as 50% of the budget, cinemas needs their cut and on top of it all there's Hollywood accounting which can end up where the movie actually never made any profit despite earning a bazillion dollars, hence why a director or anyone involved in the production should never accept a payment based off how much the movie earned.

[Commenter 42]

Also when they say a budget for a movie, do they also take into account the salaries for all the actors, the director, the musicians, and well...everyone who worked on the movie? Does the paychecks of everyone count in the "budget?"

If Will Smith walked away from this with a good $10 million dollars, is that part of the budget?

Not sure if this is a serious question...

Wait, y'all know what a budget is yes?

[Shark_Blade]

Why wouldn't they include marketing cost in the budget? Doesn't make sense.

I assume it already does so many films made back what was budgeted already. :)

[ToTheNines]

Because there's a production budget and a marketing budget.

[Wildcat]

This topic was created today and already has 7 pages?

Anyway people make too big a deal about box office figures. Ive never paid attention to them. Its obvious most movies do fine in general.

People just like claiming Flop if said-movie doesn't break some record in opening week or something.

I still see a bunch of comments here and there claiming Ghostbusters flopped. Its funny, like wishing thinking. Im guessing it did normal.

How long do movies even stay in theaters? I know some places keep them longer like in big cities. I live in a small town and we only get like 2 week max mostly. Our cinema has 5 theaters.

Theres another across town with 2 that sometimes carries some over.

[Netkeeper]

This topic was created today and already has 7 pages?
This section is on fire lately.

[Commenter 42]

Why wouldn't they include marketing cost in the budget? Doesn't make sense.

I assume it already does so many films made back what was budgeted already. :)

You could google it but, *sigh

Above the line producer, director, stars, exec producers, writers, important people.
(Often 1/3rd the budget)

Pre pro budget (cost of lcation scouting, wardrobe fittings, readings, casting, etc..)

Production budget/below the line. (All actors and crew during he shoot)

Post budget ( where they edit shots, replace all the greenscreen, make it pretty, make it sound nice, music, add the CG )

Distribution (cost of getting it out to the market)

Marketing/advertising budget (this can be as much as half to the full or even double the cost of production...

... Gah, excuse the ****ing iPad typos...too lazy to fix...

Super basic , didn't cover everything... The budget in the news is usually production ( above and below the line), pre and post. It doesn't include The costs that fall outside the making if the film.

[ProactiveMan]

A lot of weird stuff goes on - I was listening to a podcast today featuring Rick Lazzarini who did a lot of practical stand-in and reference work for the Ghostbusters remake. He said that Paul Feig and Co initially wanted to do a lot more practical stuff, but when the budget was cut by $15 mil, they went all CGI because Sony Image Works is an internal department and therefore wouldn't show on the budget.

I don’t like the modern preoccupation with Hollywood finances. It is interesting I’ll grant you, but too many people wield box-office figures in an attempt to quantify their own opinions. “Movie X fell to third place on its second weekend, therefore my opinion is vindicated and yours is totally wrong you idiot”.

[Commenter 42]

Creative accounting is rampant. It's mostly political, because Hollywood is all ego.

[Electric]

http://deadline.com/2016/08/suicide-squad-tuesday-august-box-office-record-captain-american-civil-war-batman-v-superman-1201801379/

Anndddd Suicide Squad sets another August record

Edit:

Anndddd $300 million after a single week

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/suicide-squad-races-past-300-million-after-less-th/1100-6442547/