If there was a definitive end [Archive]

GoldMutant

08-17-2016, 05:20 PM

Considering the cycle of TMNT usually having something bittersweet, I'd personally like to see them combat one finale threat together. Something that can powerfully threaten their world. (Dragonlord, Lord Dregg, Tengu Shredder, Krang if done seriously, or Savanti Romero) However, there's a twist: said villain actually succeeds in destroying that incarnation and the Turtles barely escape it. They could then be whisked away by Renet or another ally to fully reverse it and make sure the world is set in stone.

Now, I'd need to read Odyssey myself so I don't know if this idea would be similar: a friend and I have thought of a Days of Future Past scenario for the Turtles. Depending on how time travel was done and multiverse theories, the Turtles of said incarnation would meet Mirage Mikey (was he the first Turtle ever made? Either way, whichever Turtle Laird and Eastman made first) and have to reverse the chaos alongside allies from the various worlds. For example, the other allies could consist of:

FW Raph
Movie trilogy Casey or Leo
Venus from Next Mutation (very strong if here)
2k3 Don

Any incarnation you so choose (except PD, it gets blown up. :trazz:), but the Turtles of the current incarnation die in the final battle. The world is restored either way, but the heroes we've come to know and love will have died.

...The idea's probably loony, but something to utilize the franchise to it's full potential. A massive love letter from every incarnation over the years, but focused on the main team from the particular series.

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If too crazy, then a story told by Mikey recollecting everything in comic form.

Powder

08-17-2016, 05:22 PM

The turtles combat something extremely powerful near the end of their lives. Have the ending be bittersweet.

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/pegAAOSwU9xUO~Ob/s-l300.jpg

:tlol:

turtlefanforever

08-17-2016, 05:24 PM

I love how this topic gives us no idea what universe he's talking about.

Definitive: (of a conclusion or agreement) done or reached decisively and with authority.

End: come or bring to a final point; finish.

All of it. Forever. Pretty cut and dry. Get some knowledge bruh.

snake

08-17-2016, 08:12 PM

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/pegAAOSwU9xUO~Ob/s-l300.jpg

:tlol:

Is that what odyssey is? All I know about it is that it's an unofficial send off to mirage. It certainly has my interest now.

GoldMutant

08-17-2016, 08:20 PM

Is that what odyssey is? All I know about it is that it's an unofficial send off to mirage. It certainly has my interest now.

Speaking of which snake, here's a link to it. :)

http://www.thegreenlanterncorps.com/tmnt/odyssey.pdf

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

08-17-2016, 08:27 PM

Not Odyssey. I hate Odyssey.

I love Andrew's other work, but I hate the family breaking up in Odyssey. Don't like it at all. Not the definitive end I would want to see.

I'd prefer the ending of City at War (Mirage Volume 1), "Never the end!" of Image Volume 3, or Splinter's death and funeral from Mirage Volume 4. Those feel like emotional real true-to-life endings that DON'T frak over my four favorite reptiles.

EDITED TO ADD: By which I mean, I'd prefer those to either have been the definitive ends of the TMNT franchise, or for whatever new definitive end came along to follow along those lines. Emotional but not slit-your-wrists depressing.

Powder

08-17-2016, 09:28 PM

That's how Mirage is, that's how life is. Nobody's guaranteed a happy ending, that's kinda the point of Mirage.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

08-17-2016, 09:31 PM

That's how Mirage is, that's how life is. Nobody's guaranteed a happy ending, that's kinda the point of Mirage.

I understand it, but I don't like it. I do prefer a little more escapism than Mikey turning into a vengeful wargod. :tlol:

From my POV, Odyssey was not bittersweet. Out of balance, not enough sweet to offset the sweet.

I'm glad most people liked it though... and I do appreciate all the crap, time, and money Andrew went through to make it happen.

Powder

08-17-2016, 10:21 PM

Did you have to spoil the book in both posts?

snake

08-17-2016, 10:35 PM

Thanks for giving away some plot points, CKDOM

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

08-17-2016, 10:36 PM

It's been out long enough and a free PDF is available.

I'm not saying Jon Snow died the morning after the episode aired. Gonna call "no foul" on this one.

Powder

08-17-2016, 11:33 PM

You literally ruined the ending. Rather than split hairs, you could just edit your post.

ToTheNines

08-18-2016, 05:13 AM

I was ready to move on from TMNT after Turtles Forever. It was perfect. But IDW and Nick roped me back in.

I liked Odyssey a lot. Rough stuff for the Mirage boys, but still had that Never The End feeling for Turtles as a whole.

As for an end to it all? I never want it to end, even after I'm over it and/or dead.

Utrommaniac

08-18-2016, 05:34 AM

My thinking is that it would just sort of fade into obscurity. In the same way as The Flintstones or most other Hanna Barbara cartoons. There really wouldn't be a big ending, just a quiet ending where there are only very few left who care. "The universe won't die with a bang, but with a whimper", as they say.

Casey

08-18-2016, 07:42 AM

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/pegAAOSwU9xUO~Ob/s-l300.jpg

Can we really say that Odyssey is "the end" since it clearly shows the beginning of IDW and the rekindling of a friendship between Laird and Eastman?

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

08-18-2016, 09:40 AM

You literally ruined the ending. Rather than split hairs, you could just edit your post.

Oh go seduce a porcupine.

Next time, tell me in a less asshat manner and I'll be happy to make changes and/or even apologize.

ToTheNines

08-18-2016, 12:53 PM

Why so aggro, man? I didn't think Powder was being that rude.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

08-18-2016, 01:13 PM

Why so aggro, man? I didn't think Powder was being that rude.

I'm not having the best of weeks, and if I was overly "aggro" (that sounds like a commercial fertilizer) then let Powder call me an asshat and I'll apologize.

ToTheNines

08-18-2016, 01:25 PM

Sorry bud. Hope all is well.

turtlefanforever

08-18-2016, 01:49 PM

I'm not having the best of weeks, and if I was overly "aggro" (that sounds like a commercial fertilizer) then let Powder call me an asshat and I'll apologize.

You're fine. some people are just stuck up. schadenfreude at it's finest on these boards for some.

ToTheNines

08-18-2016, 02:06 PM

Shut up, crumb. Why try to worsen the situation?

Powder

08-18-2016, 05:34 PM

All Brandons hate me, it's just one of those weird cosmic laws. I've come to accept it.

ToTheNines

08-18-2016, 05:40 PM

Even Brandon Auman?

Powder

08-18-2016, 05:51 PM

Ah, nevermind. :tlol: We get on just fine. Maybe that's not his real name! :trazz:

plastroncafe

08-18-2016, 05:54 PM

I've always been fond of the implied ending we get from the Palladium games.
An ancient one-eyed Raph with dementia is the last turtle standing in a world now fully populated with mutants.

snake

08-18-2016, 05:55 PM

Off topic, but I never got the chance to meet Auman but Ciro seemed to like me. He even told me about Armaggon coming a year before he appeared.

ToTheNines

08-18-2016, 07:49 PM

Man, I've never met a TMNT staffer but I'd totally **** it up. I met my favorite guitarist once before a show and was just a total goober. I didn't totally ruin it, but I was definitely star struck.

Krutch

08-18-2016, 11:06 PM

I never really thought about how I'd end TMNT, or want it to end for that matter.

It's one of those things I'd never want to see to be honest.

Though I felt Turtles Forever felt like a nice closing chapter to "my era" of TMNT, allowing me to not over analyze or criticize any future incarnations, as off base as they may be to me (PD, looking at you.)

CyberCubed

08-18-2016, 11:29 PM

Its hard to believe what the TMNT franchise might be like 10-20 years from now. We could have something like up to 6 TMNT cartoons, another new comic continuity after IDW's ends, etc.

Compared to virtually any other comic or superhero franchise, TMNT is still practically in its infancy at only a little over 30 years old.

Wildcat

08-18-2016, 11:59 PM

I would never want it to end so I dont know but I came up with a couple ideas.

A Turtles Forever style crossover happens but one turtle from each universe gets stuck in another leaving them to live in THAT universe with THOSE turtles for good or at least for a whole season.

Each universe would have all 4 turtles but each would be from one of the universes. So we now have a team like...Mirage Leo, Nick Mike, OT Raph and 4kids Don.

Another idea is have the turtles have kids of their own who they train to carry on when they get old. The "kids" could be pets they each raise and then purposely mutate. Not necessarily more turtles...just animals they like or think would make a strong team.

Actually this could be an end. Have the new team of animals be a spinoff franchise. The turtles just retire from fighting and take a Splinter role.

thundermaster612

08-19-2016, 11:41 AM

Since Playmates is so crappy now I think I know what they would do. LEGO released a ****** wave called Bionicle Stars when it was ending (before its reboot) and they were about Playmates level of bad. I decided to make this picture cause its probably what Playmates would do as their final wave of TMNT toys.
Also its just a joke, so try not to freak out and call me a troll and stuff.
http://i.imgur.com/6BsddxK.jpg
Mikey is on the villains side cause I couldn't fit him in a better spot.

Yabuturtle

08-19-2016, 02:30 PM

I would have hoped a final fight in the 1987 tune. The Lord Dregg ending was good but I thought it could have ended in a different way

In the Red Sky Seasons, Krang gets his android body back and the Technodrome repaired. Rock Soldiers and Foot Soldiers as well as members of the Rogues like Chrome Dome and Tempestra show up.

The Turtles know they are outmatched and enlist the help of Casey Jones, Carter, Splinter, Usagi, Mondo Gecko, Krakus, Landor and Merrick the Punk Frogs and so forth.

The technodrome is loose. A final battle between the Turtles, and Shredder start but ultimately ends with Splinter and Shredder

The Technodrome explodes and it seems to be over but Krang survives and grows huge like he did last time and a final confrontation takes place where Krang is finally defeated.

Andrew NDB

08-19-2016, 02:40 PM

If anything, as a kid I always wanted Shredder to come to his senses and turn on Krang, and kind of go out a good guy.

ABrown

08-19-2016, 02:54 PM

I was ready to move on from TMNT after Turtles Forever. It was perfect. But IDW and Nick roped me back in.

Turtles Forever really did seem like not only a very good way for the 4Kids series to end, but a great way for the franchise to have come to an end. Not that I would've wanted the franchise to die after the 4Kids series, but TF would've at least gave it a nice send off.

Andrew NDB

08-19-2016, 02:58 PM

Turtles Forever really did seem like not only a very good way for the 4Kids series to end, but a great way for the franchise to have come to an end. Not that I would've wanted the franchise to die after the 4Kids series, but TF would've at least gave it a nice send off.

Yeah, it's not the worst tombstone there could be for everything pre-Nickelodeon/Viacom, really.

Wesley

08-19-2016, 03:28 PM

Jephael

08-19-2016, 03:37 PM

Funny how a lot of people feel about Turtles Forever being a good send-off to the pre-Viacom era. At the same time I'm glad that wasn't the end of the franchise, otherwise we wouldn't have gotten the IDW comics or the current show and we certainly wouldn't have the opportunity of seeing the actual original cast of the 1987 cartoon reprise their roles in a new crossover event.

Andrew NDB

08-19-2016, 03:41 PM

Funny how a lot of people feel about Turtles Forever being a good send-off to the pre-Viacom era. At the same time I'm glad that wasn't the end of the franchise, otherwise we wouldn't have gotten the IDW comics or the current show

I'm kind of OK with those not existing if it means that the Platinum Dunes movies would never come to be. Those... things... are going to make the IP on a big screen level radioactive for many years to come.

and we certainly wouldn't have the opportunity of seeing the actual original cast of the 1987 cartoon reprise their roles in a new crossover event.

You realize they are voice actors, right?

Jephael

08-19-2016, 03:50 PM

You realize they are voice actors, right?

What?! Here I thought they were four guys wearing specially made costumes!

CyberCubed

08-19-2016, 08:46 PM

The IDW and Nick era of TMNT have salvaged the franchise and represent the 2010's era of TMNT. IDW started in 2011 and Nick in 2012....so they are the official series of this 2010's decade generation.

The 80's/90's were Mirage, Fred Wolf, Archie and original movie trilogy gen.

The 2000's were Mirage's revival, 2k3, and the 4th movie

The 2010's are now IDW, Nick and the Bay movies.

The 2020's will probably bring us another new reboot. I think we can be used to this every 10 years now

Jephael

08-19-2016, 08:49 PM

The 2020's will probably bring us another new reboot. I think we can be used to this every 10 years now

Hey it's worked for Batman all these years, so why not? :twink:

Krutch

08-20-2016, 01:32 AM

Y'know, after thinking about it for a bit, I think I'd prefer an ending similar to the end of the last season of Angel.

CyberCubed

08-20-2016, 02:25 AM

Y'know, after thinking about it for a bit, I think I'd prefer an ending similar to the end of the last season of Angel.

The one where they're all fighting to their deaths? Eh, I hated that ending. I know the story continued in comics but I don't care about that.

Krutch

08-20-2016, 02:28 AM

The one where they're all fighting to their deaths? Eh, I hated that ending. I know the story continued in comics but I don't care about that.I never saw it as they were fighting to their deaths. Just that they'd always be fighting and never backing down. That the battle never ends. So they cap off the series with a battle cry.

Shark_Blade

08-20-2016, 02:31 AM

Same As It Never Was is the true ending of tmnt for me. It's even in idw comic with old aging Donnie left alive alone. 3 of them died.

ZacksSoUgly

08-20-2016, 02:44 AM

If there had to be an end I think I could go for either of these two things :

1. The Turtles Die Fighting
I don't know who they'd be fighting or why, but I'd rather them go down swinging and fighting for/with each other then see them die off one at a time.

2. Living Peacefully In a New Society or World
Maybe they live long enough to see society change and become open to different people and species - like when aliens live on Earth, so they can live amongst society - that type of deal. If there's peace throughout the world and the Turtles run out of enemies, then maybe they can live happily ever after.

Some of the ideas discussed in the thread are way cooler than these, but I like simplicity. Also, seeing the Turtles die off one at a time would be heartbreaking.

Powder

08-20-2016, 04:20 AM

2. Living Peacefully In a New Society or World
Maybe they live long enough to see society change and become open to different people and species - like when aliens live on Earth, so they can live amongst society - that type of deal.

Also, seeing the Turtles die off one at a time would be heartbreaking.

I guess you've not read the comics.

Bry

08-20-2016, 10:13 AM

I never saw it as they were fighting to their deaths. Just that they'd always be fighting and never backing down. That the battle never ends. So they cap off the series with a battle cry.

Still might be my favourite TV ending. I get why some people took it as a "cliffhanger", but it was thematically on point for that show. The journey was always more important than the destination, and it was made clear many times over that there's no "happy ending" and the battle never ends. Angel signing away his Shanshu reward and taking a heroic last stand was the perfect sendoff for that character, IMO.

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And I also loved the contrast between endings for Buffy and Angel. Buffy's last shot, standing with her family and friends in the sun, wide open road beyond them, and Angel's has him standing with his allies, backs against the wall in the rain, besieged by enemies and fighting on.

Um, back on topic...

My favourite "end" is still probably "City at War". Which obviously wasn't the end, but I think it was the best possible sendoff for the Mirage run. They finally settled the cycle of vengeance they'd been caught in their entire lives, but with plenty of physical and emotional costs. They had all been on their own journeys that had deeply changed them, they get a "happy" reunion, there's some degree of emotional closure, and then they go their separate ways once more. It's a pretty quiet ending, but the scars of their experiences were still very much present and the future wasn't certain. A good place to leave the Mirage characters, IMO.

As for the property as a whole? Turtles Forever is still kind of perfect. That last moment is a beautiful capper to the Mirage era. Honestly, I can't think of anything better than that.

Krutch

08-20-2016, 03:32 PM

Still might be my favourite TV ending. I get why some people took it as a "cliffhanger", but it was thematically on point for that show. The journey was always more important than the destination, and it was made clear many times over that there's no "happy ending" and the battle never ends. Angel signing away his Shanshu reward and taking a heroic last stand was the perfect sendoff for that character, IMO.I'm with ya there. I can understand people feeling cheated and it feeling unresolved, but that's very much the point. Whedon's atheism really comes through on Angel, most specifically that scene you posted. I think when you combine the--

Y'know what? I can go on for hours about Buffy and Angel and here's not the place to do it :lol:

So yeah, back on point: If the turtles were to have a definitive ending, I'd like to see them go the Angel route.

pferreira

09-01-2016, 10:27 AM

They should just end it with an epic battle with Shredder with the whole universe at stake.

Chris

09-01-2016, 03:40 PM

I think Turtles Forever was a pretty perfect send off for the Mirage era. I wish Vol. 4 had been finished but TF was a good end.

For the new Nick/Viacom era I have no idea. Another big multiversal crossover could be good but I think I might prefer something more low key, more in fitting with "life at best is bittersweet" but I'm not sure if that would be appropriate for the current versions of the characters.

Andrew NDB

09-01-2016, 03:55 PM

I think Turtles Forever was a pretty perfect send off for the Mirage era. I wish Vol. 4 had been finished but TF was a good end.

I dug Turtles Forever for what it was, but it's pretty far from any kind of "send off" for the "Mirage era." I don't see how a brief revisitation of the first issue alone could be anything remotely close to an endcap of all 4 volumes and all other stories.

ToTheNines

09-01-2016, 03:58 PM

Not to put words in his mouth, but I think he meant the Mirage era as in the per-buyout era as a whole.

CyberCubed

09-01-2016, 04:06 PM

The Mirage era ends when Volume 4 finally gets a conclusion. PL has at least another 20 years of life, he's what...61-62 now? Give him until he's 80.

ToTheNines

09-01-2016, 04:13 PM

I've let it go, I'm good with Odyssey. I'll enjoy any additional Mirage stories we get, but I've been placated and I'm not putting any faith in Peter Laird to tell anymore tales, let alone good ones.

Chris

09-01-2016, 04:55 PM

Not to put words in his mouth, but I think he meant the Mirage era as in the per-buyout era as a whole.

Thanks Nines, that's exactly what I meant. Probably could have worded it better in hindsight.

snake

09-01-2016, 09:06 PM

I don't think PL is doing any more issues, or am I wrong?

CyberCubed

09-01-2016, 09:07 PM

I don't think PL is doing any more issues, or am I wrong?

Right now he isn't, but he could always change his mind.

ToTheNines

09-01-2016, 09:10 PM

I don't think PL is doing any more issues, or am I wrong?

He isn't. But Mirage still has that clause that allows them to print like 16 issues per year. I don't know if that only lasts the rest of Peter's lifetime, or just as long as Mirage exists in some form.

Powder

09-01-2016, 10:13 PM

I just wish he'd let Jim & the guys make use of it. He himself doesn't have to be involved at all in the creative process, just put his name in the credits & call it a day. There's no reason we shouldn't have a Tales Vol. 3 making use of the Mirage vets & new talent alike, same as before.

Andrew NDB

09-02-2016, 12:27 AM

He isn't. But Mirage still has that clause that allows them to print like 16 issues per year. I don't know if that only lasts the rest of Peter's lifetime, or just as long as Mirage exists in some form.

I've clarified it. It's 18 issues a year, and it dies with Peter while being 100% un-transferrable. It makes sense. I respect it. I'd probably make that same deal, in his shoes.

LeotheLateBloomer

09-02-2016, 01:23 AM

I would love a Tales Volume Three more than anything. And from the things I've heard about the Image series, I'd like for Image to take another crack at this.

Nortock Diab

09-02-2016, 06:03 AM

Do we know if Jim Lawson offered Peter Laird to work on his own on some official books ? Would it be issue #33 or a new Tales Volumes.

ToTheNines

09-02-2016, 06:45 AM

I've clarified it. It's 18 issues a year, and it dies with Peter while being 100% un-transferrable. It makes sense. I respect it. I'd probably make that same deal, in his shoes.

Thanks for clearing that up. It also makes tons of sense from Viacom's standpoint. It keeps, say, Peter's crazy second cousin from printing some garbage as "Mirage Publishing".

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

09-02-2016, 09:19 AM

Jephael

09-03-2016, 11:16 AM

The Mirage era ends when Volume 4 finally gets a conclusion. PL has at least another 20 years of life, he's what...61-62 now? Give him until he's 80.

Yea, but what if he goes senile or something? Just because you live a long life, doesn't mean your mind or body are gonna function properly the entire time. My grandma who died last summer suffered Dementia for like the last decade of her life.

Sabacooza

09-03-2016, 12:03 PM

Jephael

09-03-2016, 04:09 PM

Why can't he just let Lawson take over and finish it up? He'd probably have no problem crafting a good set of stories and finishing it off. I get that Laird has zero interest in TMNT and that's fine but some of us want to see volume 4 concluded. It's asinine to just sit on it and let nobody else finish it.

Gotta agree with you on that. Laird's kinda like that big brother who doesn't let the younger siblings play with his toys even though he's lost interest in them.