The ethics of Batman beating up criminals, is it justified?

[CyberCubed]

There is a rule in this world. You break the law, you go to jail. That's how it works. Especially if you get caught.

Batman takes the law into his own hands and terrorizes criminals and beats them into submission. In their world, they deserve it. These filthy criminal scum kill, rape, murder, steal, and sometimes contribute to mass genocide. In their world these criminals KNOW there's superheroes, and not just cops, so how can you be stupid enough to break the law when you know there are heroes prowling the streets?

I love it when Batman pounds their faces in and smashes their skulls into the pavement. He breaks their bones, gives them shattered jaws/arms/legs, and put them in their place. The filthy criminal scum deserve everything that comes to them, and those worthless bastards deserve worse than death. However the criminal system in their world is so poor that often than not they're let back on the streets.

While I agree with Batman's no-kill rule, he should still beat them to the point where they can no longer carry out their nefarious deeds. Shattered their legs preventing them from walking, or beat them to the brink of death. Batman deserves to keep the streets clean.

What do you think? Is Batman justified?

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Yeah.

Also, I just remembered that you think Cap is the bad guy in Civil War. C'mon, man.

[snake]

Yes. Although I'd just break the rule once and kill the Joker at this point. Why does anyone live in Gotham in the first place?


It's also just fun. Comics aren't meant to have real world logic applied to them

[Shark_Blade]

Im fine with Batman and Superman killing the bad guys. The enemies tried to attempt murder, they got killed in return. Justified and I'm happy with that. :)

They did good with Man of Steel and Batman v Superman.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

The enemies tried to attempt murder, they got killed in return. Justified and I'm happy with that. :)

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[Shark_Blade]

Batman and Superman are vigilantes anyway, they don't need to obey weakass cops that can't even handle these criminals. They do what they think is morally right, and they have the ability and might to do so. What's the law gonna do? They can't do anything.

It's like what Ben Affleck said in Batman v Superman: "We're always depicted as criminals, always was". Who cares, just end the demons.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Man, I'm glad you don't have superpowers, because you'd be a supervillain with that perception of your abilities.

There's a reason no one likes the Man of Steel Superman, both in-film and out.

[Shark_Blade]

As long you have moral compass like Batman and Superman, I'm sure it'll be fine. It's their family/background that keeps them rooted to the ground. Kill when necessary, never the innocents.

Batman and Superman are still heroes even after they killed the enemies. :)

[TheSkeletonMan939]

As long you have moral compass like Batman and Superman, I'm sure it'll be fine. It's their family/background that keeps them rooted to the ground. Kill when necessary, never the innocents.

You mean the innocents like all the people Superman killed at the end of MoS?

[Shark_Blade]

I don't remember Man of Steel much (only just Supes killing off the main villain at the end) so I can just recall from Batman v Superman beginning segment of city in chaos. You mean where he battled the bad guy and debris and stuff accidentally killed people?

[TheSkeletonMan939]

I mean his wanton destruction, yeah. Both during the ending battle, where he pretty much tore Metropolis up, as well as on that street corner earlier in the film. Very negligent.

Also, making Batman a 'bat-brander' was a horrible mistake on Snyder's part. I haven't seen BvS yet, but doesn't he reserve brandings for rapists, pedophiles, child molesters, etc.? That makes him an executioner, because prisoners hate prisoners who hurt kids, and will totally be fine with hurting and killing those types of people.

[snake]

I mean his wanton destruction, yeah. Both during the ending battle, where he pretty much tore Metropolis up, as well as on that street corner earlier in the film. Very negligent.

Also, making Batman a 'bat-brander' was a horrible mistake on Snyder's part. I haven't seen BvS yet, but doesn't he reserve brandings for rapists, pedophiles, child molesters, etc.? That makes him an executioner, because prisoners hate prisoners who hurt kids, and will totally be fine with hurting and killing those types of people.

He branded a human trafficker in BvS

[Commenter 42]

Everything about Batman is wrong. His entire reason for being is to protect the rich from the poor.

#Notahero.

Every billionaire is corrupt; it's how you become a billionaire.

[ToTheNines]

This is why I'm flabbergasted by cybercubeds alleged alignment with the Democratic party. You were born to be a Republican dawg. It's not sexy, but just own it. Everyone here hates you anyways.

[ToTheNines]

Also, vote Libertarian or Green kiddies.

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[CyberCubed]

This is why I'm flabbergasted by cybercubeds alleged alignment with the Democratic party. You were born to be a Republican dawg. It's not sexy, but just own it. Everyone here hates you anyways.

As someone who lived in New York my whole life, I was raised and told that Democrats are the "good guys" and Republicans are the "bad guys."

That's the New Yorker motto.

[ToTheNines]

Well, they're oft both The Bad Guys. But yeah, you've been brainwashed.

http://www.freedominthe50states.org/

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Also, vote Libertarian or Green kiddies.

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That's awesome. :tlol:

[Prowler]

Well, they're oft both The Bad Guys. But yeah, you've been brainwashed.

http://www.freedominthe50states.org/


Lots of people vote for who they shouldn't. Also, lots of people align themselves with a party because of family tradition or not thinking enough about it. That's a big flaw of representative democracy. I could never swear loyalty to a single party. However, there are parties I'd never cast my vote for.

And CC being a Democrat is a good example of not all left wingers automatically being super tolerant people

[Commenter 42]

m2U5BHxBRMI

That's not Superman.

Damn. Not at all.

[Jephael]

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This cracked me up!!!

[Spike Spiegel]

That's not Superman.

Damn. Not at all.

Sure it is. He was a member of the show's primary cast. 8)

Seriously though, it helps to understand the context of the DCAU and his character development related to that scene. Darkseid brainwashed him years ago and set him loose on Earth, so he is still working to earn people's trust back. Professor Emil Hamilton, who was his longtime friend, has just betrayed him by working with Cadmus and secretly cloning Supergirl to create a superhuman army for the U. S. government. Luthor has been pardoned and is running for president (and is favored to win) while also bankrolling Cadmus.

Superman is realizing that seemingly the whole world is against himself and the Justice League and has no idea how to handle it. All the plot stuff this involved was a slow burn that took years to develop, finally coming full circle here.

[TurtleTitan97]

That's not Superman.

Damn. Not at all.

Pretty sure a vast majority of fans would disagree with you.

It also helps to actually watch the show.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

That's not Superman.

Damn. Not at all.

Context helps.
You got Netflix?
If you've got some spare time, watch the Justice League episode "A Better World", then JLU episodes "Fearful Symmetry", "The Doomsday Sanction", "Clash", "Question Authority", "Flashpoint", "Panic In the Sky", and "Divided We Fall" (and "Epilogue" as a treat). It's a really cool story arc that tackles the issue BvS was addressing in a much more intelligent way.

[ToTheNines]

Context helps.
You got Netflix?
If you've got some spare time, watch the Justice League episode "A Better World", then JLU episodes "Fearful Symmetry", "The Doomsday Sanction", "Clash", "Question Authority", "Flashpoint", "Panic In the Sky", and "Divided We Fall" (and "Epilogue" as a treat). It's a really cool story arc that tackles the issue BvS was addressing in a much more intelligent way.

Yeah, context is very important there. Flash even points out that he's acting like Batman.

[myconius]

There is a rule in this world. You break the law, you go to jail. That's how it works. Especially if you get caught.

Batman takes the law into his own hands and terrorizes criminals and beats them into submission. In their world, they deserve it. These filthy criminal scum kill, rape, murder, steal, and sometimes contribute to mass genocide. In their world these criminals KNOW there's superheroes, and not just cops, so how can you be stupid enough to break the law when you know there are heroes prowling the streets?

I love it when Batman pounds their faces in and smashes their skulls into the pavement. He breaks their bones, gives them shattered jaws/arms/legs, and put them in their place. The filthy criminal scum deserve everything that comes to them, and those worthless bastards deserve worse than death. However the criminal system in their world is so poor that often than not they're let back on the streets.

While I agree with Batman's no-kill rule, he should still beat them to the point where they can no longer carry out their nefarious deeds. Shattered their legs preventing them from walking, or beat them to the brink of death. Batman deserves to keep the streets clean.

What do you think? Is Batman justified?

seeing that Batman and all of his actions are fictional... then yeah, fiction is totally justifiable for the sake of entertainment.

if we're talking 'Real Life' ...... then no.

let's keep this in perspective that it's all just all made up for fun.

[ProactiveMan]

It's justifiable because it's written to be so. In real life a billionaire who appointed himself as a violent arbiter of justice would be unpalatable. You wouldn't know why he's doing it, or anything about the people that he was viciously beating and you'd assume the worst. In fiction, we have insight into his motivations and the workings of the world around him, which has been tailor made to justify his actions.

Like how Joss Whedon characters can be so witty, because other characters set them up with perfect feeder lines. There would be a lot more eye rolling in real life.

[CyberCubed]

I still love to know how Batman's grapple hook manages to always magically hook some building each and everytime and allows him to swing effortlessly from rooftops. Imagine in real life someone doing that and slamming into the sides of buildings/windows or falling down.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

That's not Superman.

Damn. Not at all.

#ChristopherReeveTheOneAndOnlySuperman

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

The turtles also do that

[Commenter 42]

#ChristopherReeveTheOneAndOnlySuperman

^^^^^bingo.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I dunno, I'd add Dean Cain to that. He did a pretty good job within the framework of what Lois and Clark was. And he looked the part.

[ProactiveMan]

I still love to know how Batman's grapple hook manages to always magically hook some building each and everytime and allows him to swing effortlessly from rooftops. Imagine in real life someone doing that and slamming into the sides of buildings/windows or falling down.

The buildings in Gotham City are very close together and conveniently staggered in height.