Wolverine 3

[Autbot_Benz]

Looks like Mister Sinister is going to be in the 3rd wolverine movie

http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/765861-mister-sinister-confirmed-to-appear-in-wolverine-3#/slide/1

[TheSkeletonMan939]

I reallllly want this movie to be good, but I'm realllllly sure it's gonna suck...

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I reallllly want this movie to be good, but I'm realllllly sure it's gonna suck...

Wolverine might be the first superhero to have a trilogy made entirely of terrible movies.

Origins: Wolverine? F
The Wolverine? F
<Wolverine 3>? ... Odds ain't looking good.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

I liked the second Wolverine film... even if the ending was like a boss battle out of a video game.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I liked the second Wolverine film... even if the ending was like a boss battle out of a video game.

That's the problem, both movies have really good stuff in them.

Wolverine Origins, Logan and Victor were both perfect. I LOVED Sabretooth in it.

The Wolverine's first two thirds are brilliant; but as soon as Wolverine wins the katana duel, the movie falls apart. Taken down by ninjas with arrows, fight a giant samurai robot, lose your adamantium... idiotic.

[Andrew NDB]

I really would have loved to have seen Darren Aronofsky's "The Wolverine." We would've, if Fukushima hadn't have happened. Aronofsky really hasn't ever gone wrong in my eyes.

[plastroncafe]

I'd love your thoughts on "Noah."

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'd love your thoughts on "Noah."

....Ditto.

[Andrew NDB]

I'd love your thoughts on "Noah."

....Ditto.

OK, so I haven't seen that one... all other films of his I have.

[CyberCubed]

Wolverine 3 should be excellent.

[Autbot_Benz]

http://i.imgur.com/6OkWm9z.jpg

the movie is called Logan

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Please be good, please be good, please be good....

[Andrew NDB]

Kind of funny to think that Wolverine 3 isn't even in the same timeline as the previous 2. And yes, let's have X-23's big introduction be decades into the future so the core movies can't use her...

God, these movies are garbage.

[Candy Kappa]

Yellow spandex or no dice.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

That is an amazing poster.

But...

First two outings sucked, can we really expect one good movie in this terrible trilogy? We can but hope.

[Andrew NDB]

http://imageshack.com/a/img921/2825/nUnxeb.jpg

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Kind of funny to think that Wolverine 3 isn't even in the same timeline as the previous 2. And yes, let's have X-23's big introduction be decades into the future so the core movies can't use her...

God, these movies are garbage.

Were Wolverine 1 and 2 even in the same continuity? They can't be, right, because Wolverine 1 (Origins) doesn't fit into the same timeline as the original trilogy, which is what Wolverine 2 (The) takes place after.

So each movie in the "trilogy" is in its own continuity.

The entire Fox X-Men universe is GARBAGE. :tlol:

[Andrew NDB]

Were Wolverine 1 and 2 even in the same continuity? They can't be, right, because Wolverine 1 (Origins) doesn't fit into the same timeline as the original trilogy, which is what Wolverine 2 (The) takes place after.

All of Wolverine Origins was canon until DofP retconned everything from the 70s on up... but DofP didn't happen until after The Wolverine. The mid-credits thing in The Wolverine set up DofP, even (although... very, very strangely). So now we're getting "The Final Wolverine Movie," yet this is the first time we've seen Wolverine in this timeline beyond his "awakening" at the end of DofP.

And what happens to the Wolverine that Wolverine left in the 70s when he awakened in the near future at the end of DofP? From the 70s-now, he was just keeping the original Wolverine's brain warm for him to come back, then gets wiped out again? That's kind of f***ed up.

It's all rubbish. F*** these movies.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Some people think that X-Men Origins is a fever dream Wolverine had one night, lol

I thought the second Wolverine film was good. Not as good as it could have been, but for FoX-Men it was pretty high-tier. Which I know isn't saying much.

[ToTheNines]

Man, and I thought Homecoming was a bold move...

Logan? Ok.

They should rename Defenders "Matt & Jess & Luke & Dan".

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Man, and I thought Homecoming was a bold move...

Logan? Ok.

They should rename Defenders "Matt & Jess & Luke & Dan".

Don't forget Frankie! EVERYBODY loves Frankie.

[ToTheNines]

Lol.

Everybody Loves Frankie.

King of Hell's Kitchen.

The Fresh Prince of Harlem.

Danny in the Middle.

Don't Trust The Mutation at Alias Investigations?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Lol.

Everybody Loves Frankie.

King of Hell's Kitchen.

The Fresh Prince of Harlem.

Danny in the Middle.

Don't Trust The Mutation at Alias Investigations?

ROFL

Don't Trust the Bitch at Alias Investigations works better.

[ToTheNines]

Don't rhyme tho m8.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I literally do not understand what Days of Future Past did to the timeline. So did it erase the events of all the movies before it or what?

[TigerClaw]

I literally do not understand what Days of Future Past did to the timeline. So did it erase the events of all the movies before it or what?
Yeah it undo the 1st 3 X-Men movies, and created a new timeline in which Cyclops and Jean Grey are alive.

There are some new details about Logan.
http://www.thewrap.com/logan-wolverine-3-plot-details-revealed-exclusive/

“Logan” takes place in the year 2024. The film is dark. Darker than any other other “Wolverine” or “X-Men” movie.

Old Man Logan is in full effect. Logan looks bad, and drinks a lot. For work, he drives a 2024 Chrysler 300 limo that looks modified in the front to look more futuristic. He’s sick, his powers are fading, and he heals much more slowly — and sometimes not at all.

Those are some of the details TheWrap can exclusively share for “Logan,” the third Wolverine film and the last for star Hugh Jackman. On Wednesday, he and director James Mangold finally revealed the title for the film, and a poster that show’s Logan’s clawed hand held by the small hand of a child.

Mangold also tweeted out the second page of the script, which says that Logan is “older” and that “it’s clear his abilities aren’t what they once were.”

We learned further details about the from an insider who said that the girl in the poster is a young mutant. In 2024, mutant births are severely in decline, and people aren’t sure why. We find out about a government-type operation called “Transigen” that is turning mutant children into killing machines. Logan ends up mentoring the girl, who has two claws instead of his three.

There’s more. Professor X (Patrick Stewart) is old and not well. His powers are unstable and at times he doesn’t even remember Logan. Stephen Merchant plays the Albino mutant Caliban, who helps Logan take care of Professor X.

[myconius]

Yeah it undo the 1st 3 X-Men movies, and created a new timeline in which Cyclops and Jean Grey are alive.

There are some new details about Logan.
http://www.thewrap.com/logan-wolverine-3-plot-details-revealed-exclusive/

“Logan” takes place in the year 2024. The film is dark. Darker than any other other “Wolverine” or “X-Men” movie.

Old Man Logan is in full effect. Logan looks bad, and drinks a lot. For work, he drives a 2024 Chrysler 300 limo that looks modified in the front to look more futuristic. He’s sick, his powers are fading, and he heals much more slowly — and sometimes not at all.

Those are some of the details TheWrap can exclusively share for “Logan,” the third Wolverine film and the last for star Hugh Jackman. On Wednesday, he and director James Mangold finally revealed the title for the film, and a poster that show’s Logan’s clawed hand held by the small hand of a child.

Mangold also tweeted out the second page of the script, which says that Logan is “older” and that “it’s clear his abilities aren’t what they once were.”

We learned further details about the from an insider who said that the girl in the poster is a young mutant. In 2024, mutant births are severely in decline, and people aren’t sure why. We find out about a government-type operation called “Transigen” that is turning mutant children into killing machines. Logan ends up mentoring the girl, who has two claws instead of his three.

There’s more. Professor X (Patrick Stewart) is old and not well. His powers are unstable and at times he doesn’t even remember Logan. Stephen Merchant plays the Albino mutant Caliban, who helps Logan take care of Professor X.

i'm sure i'll end up seeing it.
sure the continuity and time-lines are totally fubar, but i still find these movies mostly entertaining.
'ccept for that scene in 'Apocalypse' where they had Angel's wing's transforming into metal to Metallica's 'Four Horsemen'!!!
that was MAD corny!!!!
should have played Slayer's 'Angel of Death'!!!

a minor nit pick, but i stand by it!

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Yeah it undo the 1st 3 X-Men movies, and created a new timeline in which Cyclops and Jean Grey are alive.

There are some new details about Logan.
http://www.thewrap.com/logan-wolverine-3-plot-details-revealed-exclusive/

“Logan” takes place in the year 2024. The film is dark. Darker than any other other “Wolverine” or “X-Men” movie.

Old Man Logan is in full effect. Logan looks bad, and drinks a lot. For work, he drives a 2024 Chrysler 300 limo that looks modified in the front to look more futuristic. He’s sick, his powers are fading, and he heals much more slowly — and sometimes not at all.

Those are some of the details TheWrap can exclusively share for “Logan,” the third Wolverine film and the last for star Hugh Jackman. On Wednesday, he and director James Mangold finally revealed the title for the film, and a poster that show’s Logan’s clawed hand held by the small hand of a child.

Mangold also tweeted out the second page of the script, which says that Logan is “older” and that “it’s clear his abilities aren’t what they once were.”

We learned further details about the from an insider who said that the girl in the poster is a young mutant. In 2024, mutant births are severely in decline, and people aren’t sure why. We find out about a government-type operation called “Transigen” that is turning mutant children into killing machines. Logan ends up mentoring the girl, who has two claws instead of his three.

There’s more. Professor X (Patrick Stewart) is old and not well. His powers are unstable and at times he doesn’t even remember Logan. Stephen Merchant plays the Albino mutant Caliban, who helps Logan take care of Professor X.

What about the first 2 Wolverines and First Class?

[TigerClaw]

What about the first 2 Wolverines and First Class?
I think it also undo the two Wolverine movies, We have a new timeline, and Wolverine's origin is different from what we saw in X-Men Apocalypse, He was still part of Weapon X, but under different circumstances.

When Wolverine wakes up at the end of Days Of Future Past, He has no memory of the new timeline, he only remembers the old one, and that's when Prof X asked him, what's the last thing you remember.

So I assume Prof X filled Wolverine in on what happened in the new timeline, and this new Wolverine movie is from the new timeline, but many years in the future.

[sdp]

The timeline has become a huge clusterf-ck, just google it and see the image infographics trying to make sense of it all. But if you really think about it all that mess ironically makes it more faithful to its source material.

[Andrew NDB]

When Wolverine wakes up at the end of Days Of Future Past, He has no memory of the new timeline, he only remembers the old one, and that's when Prof X asked him, what's the last thing you remember.

Which is fine, but it sucks for the Wolverine that'd been living in that body since the moment Future Wolverine vacated it in the 70s.

[Andrew NDB]

I literally do not understand what Days of Future Past did to the timeline. So did it erase the events of all the movies before it or what?

In theory, it could only have erased all things except for the pre-70s "X-Men Origins: Wolverine" scenes and, of course, "X-Men: First Class." Literally the only carry over is Wolverine, who will wake up with the original Wolverine's (from the original, undamaged timeline) memories at whatever point in the near future Days of Future Past's ending takes place.

[TigerClaw]

Here's the first image of Old Professor X.
https://twitter.com/mang0ld/status/784035131380031489?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuFrOZSVUAE9u-q.jpg:small

He hasn't aged well in the new timeline.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

I never realized Patrick Stewart could look old!
I guess they're saying "screw it" and jumping ANOTHER ten years ahead in the timeline.
So it's like 2033 or some sh!t like that.
Or maybe they don't even care anymore.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I still haven't even seen Apocalypse. I've lost so much interest in this franchise.

Tell me Sabretooth is in it, bringing back the guy from Origins, and I'll be interested.

[TigerClaw]

I never realized Patrick Stewart could look old!
I guess they're saying "screw it" and jumping ANOTHER ten years ahead in the timeline.
So it's like 2033 or some sh!t like that.
Or maybe they don't even care anymore.
It will take place in 2024.

[Andrew NDB]

It will take place in 2024.

Which is... right about when the "present"/near future seen at the end of DofP would be. So basically, within 5 years of the end of DofP, Wolverine deteriorates rapidly and Professor X ages 40 more years.

Sooo soooo stupid.

[plastroncafe]

The timeline has become a huge clusterf-ck, just google it and see the image infographics trying to make sense of it all. But if you really think about it all that mess ironically makes it more faithful to its source material.

HA! I'm so glad I scrolled up, because this is exactly what I was going to say.
Thank you for saying it better than I could.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

The X-Men films have honestly never cared about consistency. I don't know why I'm always surprised when they make decisions like this.

These two men have played the same character, by the way. That's how little they give a f*ck.

http://66.media.tumblr.com/9d00cdce2381ebc5b264eabb59b530fc/tumblr_inline_n61bhcERuL1qc6nfn.jpg

[Candy Kappa]

Of all the things the X-Men movies would do justice, it was the continuity clusterf*ck of Superhero comics.

[plastroncafe]

Of all the things the X-Men movies would do justice, it was the continuity clusterf*ck of Superhero comics.

A close second is how awesome Nightcrawler is, during his assault on the Oval Office.

But yeah, aside from that the movies are mostly a wet, hot, mess.

[TigerClaw]

Here's the timeline explained via an infogram.

http://imagesmtv-a.akamaihd.net/uri/mgid:file:http:shared:mtv.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Infographic-MTV-XMenMoviesTimeline-1000dpiWidth-v2.jpg?quality=.8&height=2040.8000000000002&width=800

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

The X-Men films have honestly never cared about consistency. I don't know why I'm always surprised when they make decisions like this.

These two men have played the same character, by the way. That's how little they give a f*ck.

http://66.media.tumblr.com/9d00cdce2381ebc5b264eabb59b530fc/tumblr_inline_n61bhcERuL1qc6nfn.jpg

If I squint really REALLY hard... they still don't look anything alike and I still don't give a damn. :tlol:

A close second is how awesome Nightcrawler is, during his assault on the Oval Office.

But yeah, aside from that the movies are mostly a wet, hot, mess.

Magneto. Magneto has always been well done, whether by Sir McKellan or Fassbender.

[plastroncafe]

If I squint really REALLY hard... they still don't look anything alike and I still don't give a damn. :tlol:


Yeah pretty much. If it were something along the lines of Billy Dee's replacement by Tommy Lee, where the latter was responsible for a terrible version of a character...then I'd probably care more.

Magneto. Magneto has always been well done, whether by Sir McKellan or Fassbender.

Xavier has always been good too.
I'll always have a soft spot for Jackman's early Wolverine stuff.
(That first shot of him in the ring from X 1 still makes me glee)

[Andrew NDB]

It will take place in 2024.

Here's the timeline explained via an infogram.

http://imagesmtv-a.akamaihd.net/uri/mgid:file:http:shared:mtv.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Infographic-MTV-XMenMoviesTimeline-1000dpiWidth-v2.jpg?quality=.8&height=2040.8000000000002&width=800

lol... so "Logan" is only ONE year after him waking up at the end of DofP? You're telling me he and Xavier rapidly aged over the course of ONE year now?

[plastroncafe]

The future is rough on everyone, Andrew.

...

Also, they did a LOT of meth in that year.
Like...a lot.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

The future is rough on everyone, Andrew.

...

Also, they did a LOT of meth in that year.
Like...a lot.

ROFL. Man, Xavier, set a better example for your kids.

[Andrew NDB]

Here's the X-Men timeline I want to see...

http://imageshack.com/a/img924/4764/EbKFdw.jpg

[myconius]

Here's the first image of Old Professor X.
https://twitter.com/mang0ld/status/784035131380031489?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuFrOZSVUAE9u-q.jpg:small

He hasn't aged well in the new timeline.

sorry, but he looks too much like a Zombie!

if he doesn't try to eat Logan's brain, i'm going to be slightly disappointed!

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Here's the X-Men timeline I want to see...

http://imageshack.com/a/img924/4764/EbKFdw.jpg

I truly sincerely hope that someday Marvel Studios gets the X rights back. But first start with Fantastic Four and all their rogues...

[myconius]

I truly sincerely hope that someday Marvel Studios gets the X rights back. But first start with Fantastic Four and all their rogues...

i just think if Disney get's their hands on X-men they are going to just become sanitized versions of themselves.

Fox just needs to loose the mess that Singer has started.

scrap it all and actually try to give the characters proper respect.

[Andrew NDB]

I truly sincerely hope that someday Marvel Studios gets the X rights back. But first start with Fantastic Four and all their rogues...

Pretty sure that deal has already been made.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Pretty sure that deal has already been made.

If it has, then they haven't gone public.
Simon Kinberg still acts like the film wasn't trash and wants to do a sequel.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Pretty sure that deal has already been made.

As am I, but nobody's said crap about it yet. But we all know Marvel got SOMETHING for letting Fox do their "Legion" TV series, AND we all know that Marvel really tried very hard to get Galactus, Doom, and the Skrulls previously in exchange for Daredevil, so... :tgrin:

Phase 4, my brother. Phase 4.

[Andrew NDB]

As am I, but nobody's said crap about it yet. But we all know Marvel got SOMETHING for letting Fox do their "Legion" TV series, AND we all know that Marvel really tried very hard to get Galactus, Doom, and the Skrulls previously in exchange for Daredevil, so... :tgrin:

Phase 4, my brother. Phase 4.

I would bet the farm... mid endcredits sequence of Avengers: Infinity War, BOOM, Galactus finishing up eating a planet, then looks up suddenly (presumably the Avengers and Guardians have done something crazy to defeat Thanos). "Eeeearth." Surfer whizzes by the camera and BAM, back to the end credits. Audiences sh*t themselves.

If it has, then they haven't gone public.

They're sitting on this sucker to truly make it a ZOMG moment.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

I certainly hope so. The FF franchise combined with Fox is box office poison thanks to their three horrible movies, so Fox can't possibly profit from them anymore.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I would bet the farm... mid endcredits sequence of Avengers: Infinity War, BOOM, Galactus finishing up eating a planet, then looks up suddenly (presumably the Avengers and Guardians have done something crazy to defeat Thanos). "Eeeearth." Surfer whizzes by the camera and BAM, back to the end credits. Audiences sh*t themselves.

They're sitting on this sucker to truly make it a ZOMG moment.

I certainly hope so. The FF franchise combined with Fox is box office poison thanks to their three horrible movies, so Fox can't possibly profit from them anymore.

Exactly. They don't want to spoil the hype they're still trying to build for Avengers 3/4, Thanos, Infinity Gauntlet, and the culmination of Phase 3. But as soon as Phase 3 is done, BOOM. They're announcing Galactus, or the Fantastic Four, or something.

Andrew's end-credits scene sounds pretty damn likely.

And at this point, thanks both to the horrible Fant4stic and the overrated yet great Deadpool, Fox is doubling down on X-Men. X-Men X-Men everywhere. To expand that brand into TV, Marvel has to sign off. And for them to sign off... wink wink nudge nudge!

[THGhost]

Am I reading that infographic right? X-Men 3 still happened? :ohwell:

[Andrew NDB]

Am I reading that infographic right? X-Men 3 still happened? :ohwell:

Not anymore. But then again neither do 1 or 2.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I'm curious to know what Fox plans to do with Wolverine with this being Hugh's final role as the character. He did express wanting to be in the Avengers films but like that will ever happen.

[Autbot_Benz]

I think we are getting a Logan Trailer on Thursday

https://twitter.com/RealHughJackman/status/788829682787577856

First look at Logan

http://i.imgur.com/wH0doYY.jpg

[plastroncafe]

Doesn't matter what they do, that man will always be damn pretty.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm curious to know what Fox plans to do with Wolverine with this being Hugh's final role as the character. He did express wanting to be in the Avengers films but like that will ever happen.

Everybody wants to be in the Avengers films. Doesn't make any difference.

[TigerClaw]

I'm curious to know what Fox plans to do with Wolverine with this being Hugh's final role as the character. He did express wanting to be in the Avengers films but like that will ever happen.
If we ever see more Wolverine movies, It will most likely be with X-23, She is the current Wolverine in the comics now.

[Andrew NDB]

If we ever see more Wolverine movies, It will most likely be with X-23, She is the current Wolverine in the comics now.

Which will be dumb... since she won't be near-adult age until the distant, distant future in this continuity.

[ZariusTwo]

And here's our trailer

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Bad ends all 'round!

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

And here's our RED-BAND trailer!!! :tcool:

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I am now much more interested in this movie. Maaaaaaaaaybe the first GOOD Wolverine movie? Is that asking too much?

[TheBlueTurtle1]

Looks good, but Hugh should carry on playing Wolverine for a few more years. He needs to be in the avengers movies, and Deadpool 2.

I think a neat idea would be to just use Kelsey Grammer as Beast and Hugh as Wolverine to represent the X-men in all these crossover movies.

[Andrew NDB]

And here's our RED-BAND trailer!!! :tcool:

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I am now much more interested in this movie. Maaaaaaaaaybe the first GOOD Wolverine movie? Is that asking too much?

Nah. It's just Old Jackman in Generic Movie-Post-Apocalypse-#7. And we already knew it was going to be R-rated, it was announced almost a year ago (thanks to Deadpool).

[TigerClaw]

It looks good, I seen a lot of comments of people saying that it feels like "The Last Of Us".

[Andrew NDB]

The Wolverine films have a pretty solid track record of ruining about 20 X-Men characters. I don't think this is going to change anything.

That said, I kind of hope Liev Schreiber shows up to help Wolverine as Sabertooth. That would create some semblance of symmetry in the hot mess that is otherwise the Wolverine trilogy of terror.

[ZariusTwo]

Looks good, but Hugh should carry on playing Wolverine for a few more years. He needs to be in the avengers movies

Wolverine being an Avenger was as dumb an idea as Spidey being one. Doesn't fit either character. Avengers is Disney-owned anyway.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

The Wolverine films have a pretty solid track record of ruining about 20 X-Men characters. I don't think this is going to change anything.

That said, I kind of hope Liev Schreiber shows up to help Wolverine as Sabertooth. That would create some semblance of symmetry in the hot mess that is otherwise the Wolverine trilogy of terror.

I don't care if the Wolverine movies ruin other X-characters; they're completely out of sync/canon with the main X-movies anyway.

It's why I like Origins a lot better than most people; I don't care about Deadpool, so I don't care that his character was royally screwed over. It's a fairly okay story, just not a good comic story.

Whereas The Wolverine has a terrible third act, no matter how you view the movie.

So based on the criteria of "standalone and ignoring the main film so-called continuity", if this movie can just deliver a good Wolverine movie that delivers a tight story with lots of heart and action, I'm in.

[Andrew NDB]

I don't care if the Wolverine movies ruin other X-characters; they're completely out of sync/canon with the main X-movies anyway.

Not exactly. Everything pre-70s is still canon in "Origins," and the mid-credits scene of "The Wolverine" literally was a setup for "Days of Future Past"... even though the scene itself doesn't really make a lot of sense when you think about it.

It's why I like Origins a lot better than most people; I don't care about Deadpool, so I don't care that his character was royally screwed over. It's a fairly okay story, just not a good comic story.

I don't mind Origins. I'd probably rather watch that over most/all of the Singer films. It just has too many "trailer moments" and speeds too quickly through what should have been important beats.

Whereas The Wolverine has a terrible third act, no matter how you view the movie.

I'd say highly questionable, not truly terrible. Just, like all of the X-Men movies, some really puzzling choices.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Not exactly. Everything pre-70s is still canon in "Origins," and the mid-credits scene of "The Wolverine" literally was a setup for "Days of Future Past"... even though the scene itself doesn't really make a lot of sense when you think about it.

:tlol: The movies are such a clusterfrak overall, that it's much easier to consider them all out of sync and completely non-canon than try to identify which parts of a movie "work" and which parts don't.

I don't mind Origins. I'd probably rather watch that over most/all of the Singer films. It just has too many "trailer moments" and speeds too quickly through what should have been important beats.

Agreed. I'll watch it before any of the original trilogy. Sabretooth and Wolverine are great.

I'd say highly questionable, not truly terrible. Just, like all of the X-Men movies, some really puzzling choices.

The first 2/3s of the movie is a focused, grounded modern ronin samurai tale featuring a man with claws and PTSD. The most "out there" stuff of the movie is Wolverine's mutant abilities and Viper's mutant abilities. That's it, totally doable.

Then the last 1/3 features Wolverine being captured in a pretty dumb sequence (just keep ignoring those arrows, buddy, 'till you look like a porcupine) and then the climatic battle is against a giant robot samurai.

I repeat, A GIANT ROBOT SAMURAI. Who wants to steal Wolverine's healing ability in the most convoluted way.

Giant Robot Samurai = giant letdown. :trazz:

[TheSkeletonMan939]

It almost felt like a final boss from a video game.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It almost felt like a final boss from a video game.

A BAD boss fight from a BAD video game. :trazz:

[Andrew NDB]

https://i.imgflip.com/1y7z6.jpg

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

https://i.imgflip.com/1y7z6.jpg

Never. Begone, thou hack!

[Autbot_Benz]

I like the look of Logan I hope its really good.

[THGhost]

This looks good, much more sombre tone. Hopefully it'll relish its R rating.

[TigerClaw]

New image from Logan.
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/the_wolverine/logan-director-james-mangold-shares-a-new-image-of-hugh-a146307

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvrAwm-WYAAzr9a.jpg:small

[THGhost]

^ Hopefully that scene won't feature any Roger-Rabbit-style claws. :lol:

[ZariusTwo]

Look who filmed a post-credit cameo

http://screencrush.com/reynolds-deadpool-cameo-logan/

[Andrew NDB]

Look who filmed a post-credit cameo

http://screencrush.com/reynolds-deadpool-cameo-logan/

Doesn't seem quite wholly confirmed, but it seems likely.

[NinjaPug]

Reynolds and Mangold are refuting the report.

El Mayimbe is a hack.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Reynolds and Mangold are refuting the report.

El Mayimbe is a hack.

Thank God... Deadpool's inclusion would be one easy way to cheapen the film.

[CyberCubed]

Deadpool would just be in a post-credit scene anyway, so it would be nothing more than advertisement for the next movie.

[Shark_Blade]

Let's hope there's a make out scene with Logan and Deadpool.

And since they are meeting again:

KDKva-s_khY

[Andrew NDB]

This looks good, much more sombre tone. Hopefully it'll relish its R rating.

Hopefully. I hate pretty much the mass majority of the X-Men universe as it is, but I wouldn't disagree that it all deserves a balls-out R-rated finale led and finished out by Wolverine (he basically led the first Singer movie, anyway).

After that? Leave it buried. F*** it all. Even if no deal is ever reached with Marvel.

[Spike Spiegel]

After that? Leave it buried. F*** it all. Even if no deal is ever reached with Marvel.

I would even go so far as to include Deadpool in that. Any sequel to that film is going to suffer in comparison to the original, which I thought was rather overrated anyway.

[Vicky82]

New trailer

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This one has new scenes with a few swear words.

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[TheBlueTurtle1]

Looks great! really hope Hugh changes his mind and agrees to continue playing Wolverine.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

New trailer

RH3OxVFvTeg

This one has new scenes with a few swear words.

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Holy F indeed. Opening night tickets for me and the gang! I am NOT missing this. :tcool:

[ZariusTwo]

I wasn't feeling that trailer as much as the first, kind of looks like an R-Rated Kids Flick, but then, the best r-rated kids flick is Terminator 2 so maybe it could be more like that.

Using the comic books is an interesting choice...kind of makes me think FOX are getting more comfortable with meta commentary since it worked so well in Deadpool (and could really offer a convincing case for a Deadpool cameo that they've been denying)

"She's eleven, I'm ****ing 90":lol:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I can't stop watching this trailer. This could be the second great X-Men film. Give me this, and then the rest of the franchise can go drive itself into the ground with Singer.

[Autbot_Benz]

I can't wait for Logan this movie looks really good. It looks like they actually gave a **** this time around

[NinjaPug]

Using the comic books is an interesting choice...kind of makes me think FOX are getting more comfortable with meta commentary since it worked so well in Deadpool (and could really offer a convincing case for a Deadpool cameo that they've been denying)


Having the comics be a part of this universe now gives me a very small amount of hope that we might finally see Jackman in the classic Wolverine outfit via flashback in this movie. We already know Mangold had the costume made for The Wolverine.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Kinda funny how they apparently have X-Men comics in this timeline - you'd think that this dark, dreary, lifeless film series would abhor such a fun and interesting idea. I guess Mangold's logic is that it's an abstract way of grounding this movie more in "reality".

Having the comics be a part of this universe now gives me a very small amount of hope that we might finally see Jackman in the classic Wolverine outfit via flashback in this movie. We already know Mangold had the costume made for The Wolverine.

I think the time for that has passed. Would welcome it, though.

[TurtleTitan97]

Definitely seeing this opening weekend. :D

[CyberCubed]

Heh, everyone is saying it looks just like The Last Of Us.

http://i.imgur.com/qJrLwsj.jpg

[Andrew NDB]

Having the comics be a part of this universe now gives me a very small amount of hope that we might finally see Jackman in the classic Wolverine outfit via flashback in this movie.

Somewhere between "slim" and "none."

[Andrew NDB]

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/james-mangold-explains-why-logan-takes-place-in-2029-a148298

So now Mangold is saying Logan takes place in 2029, not 2024. So... 6 years after the "end" of DofP instead of 1.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/james-mangold-explains-why-logan-takes-place-in-2029-a148298

So now Mangold is saying Logan takes place in 2029, not 2024. So... 6 years after the "end" of DofP instead of 1.

So Andrew, did you ever get around to seeing Apocalypse? Or, y'know, sleeping through it?

On a scale of X3* to First Class, how good do you think this will be?

*Or whatever your most-hated X-film is

[Andrew NDB]

So Andrew, did you ever get around to seeing Apocalypse? Or, y'know, sleeping through it?

Yeah, I've posted a lot about my "experience." It was horrid. Laughably bad. Embarrassing to watch, even worse and tinier than DofP and nonsensical in the timeline -- how did Xavier lose his hair in the original timeline, if he never met Apocalypse in it? In fact, what happened different in DofP that made Apocalypse even wake up? Why is Jubilee a teenager in the 80s when she is a teenager 20+ years later? Blah blah blah. And sure enough, Magneto as the villain again.

Very glad Fox had egg on their face after it.

On a scale of X3* to First Class, how good do you think this will be?

I like X3 better than X2, probably better than X1, too. It's the first movie to actually deliver on "big" mutant goings-on, even if the execution wasn't ideal.

I'm sure "Logan" will be fine. Mangold didn't do a terrible job on the last Wolverine movie and this one seems to be allowed to be divorced from... well, everything that's come before (which is good, because almost everything that's come before is sh*t), so it might be pretty solid in its own right. Maybe.

That said, I still can't wrap my head around why anyone would think introducing X-23 in the (post-apocalyptic) future as a little girl is a good idea. She's a fan favorite character (I haven't even ever read a comic with her in it but I see enough to know that). Like with every X-Men movie ever (I rule out First Class from the equation, though Singer destroyed the character and plot threads begun in it in DofP)... Zero foresight into future movies, or any kind of world-building going on. I mean, what, pick up with X-23 as a grown woman in the year 2050, in X-Men: The Next Generation? Never going to happen.

This is dumb. It's all dumb.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Yeah, I've posted a lot about my "experience." It was horrid. Laughably bad. Embarrassing to watch, even worse and tinier than DofP and nonsensical in the timeline -- how did Xavier lose his hair in the original timeline, if he never met Apocalypse in it? In fact, what happened different in DofP that made Apocalypse even wake up? Why is Jubilee a teenager in the 80s when she is a teenager 20+ years later? Blah blah blah. And sure enough, Magneto as the villain again.

Oh, that's right. I forgot... I've managed to forget most of that movie. Easily the worst X-movie for me. And that's saying something.

I'm sure "Logan" will be fine. Mangold didn't do a terrible job on the last Wolverine movie and this one seems to be allowed to be divorced from... well, everything that's come before (which is good, because almost everything that's come before is sh*t), so it might be pretty solid in its own right. Maybe.

That said, I still can't wrap my head around why anyone would think introducing X-23 in the (post-apocalyptic) future as a little girl is a good idea. She's a fan favorite character (I haven't even ever read a comic with her in it but I see enough to know that). Like with every X-Men movie ever (I rule out First Class from the equation, though Singer destroyed the character and plot threads begun in it in DofP)... Zero foresight into future movies, or any kind of world-building going on. I mean, what, pick up with X-23 as a grown woman in the year 2050, in X-Men: The Next Generation? Never going to happen.

If you look at it from a point of closure instead of a point of world-building, I love that X23 is young. All I want is a decent "one last time" Wolverine movie, that ignores everything else and just gives us a bittersweet end. Which, so far, is exactly what this is shaping up to be.

As long as Fox doesn't crap the bed like they did with the Wolverine's final act, it should be all I want it to be.

[Andrew NDB]

If you look at it from a point of closure instead of a point of world-building, I love that X23 is young. All I want is a decent "one last time" Wolverine movie, that ignores everything else and just gives us a bittersweet end. Which, so far, is exactly what this is shaping up to be.

It seems to be, however... you just know that someone -- probably more sooner than later -- is going to want to put (adult) X-23 in an X-Men movie at some point and "Logan" is basically forcing them to make their sh*tty timeline even sh*ttier by ignoring it. Because they'll have to.

[NinjaPug]

It seems to be, however... you just know that someone -- probably more sooner than later -- is going to want to put (adult) X-23 in an X-Men movie at some point and "Logan" is basically forcing them to make their sh*tty timeline even sh*ttier by ignoring it. Because they'll have to.


Mangold said the studio didn't even know who X-23 was when he pitched his idea for the movie.

[sdp]

The timeline is already a clusterf-ck so I don't think they care as they've changed how characters look/act/age/etc in pretty much every movie since X2. To them they don't have to world build since they already have an established universe to play with and also for that same reason they have no care to reboot the franchise as people already accept it as is so the most we'll ever get are "soft reboots". This is Fox's "cinematic universe" and they'll be keeping it this way as it's worked since 1999 before superhero movies were a thing and rules established on what to expect and before Avengers when cinematic universes were a thing and established on what to expect; Taking those two things in mind I actually think they've done a fairly good job at it.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Fox doesn't even have a timeline anymore. They take the characters they want and place them in whatever situations they want; then in interviews they give a rough timeline estimate to humor fans.

On the surface, that way of constructing films isn't such a bad idea. It's kind of like Marvel's 'What If?'

The problem is that the FoX-Men movies pretty much all suck, so the lack of consistency becomes just another fallacy rather than any sort of advantage.

[TigerClaw]

I loved that they reference the X-Men comics, Which I always thought could happen in a world with Superheroes, The fact X-Men comics exist in this universe just shows somebody in that world got inspired to write comics about them, then the real superheroes would comment that non of the stuff in those books ever happened, Very meta. :)

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I loved that they reference the X-Men comics, Which I always thought could happen in a world with Superheroes, The fact X-Men comics exist in this universe just shows somebody in that world got inspired to write comics about them, then the real superheroes would comment that non of the stuff in those books ever happened, Very meta. :)

More like a way to

#1 Follow up on Deadpool's fourth wall demolition
and
#2 Easily explain away all the crappy movies beforehand with their non-existence "continuity"

Didn't like Wolverine Origins? Well, it was just a bad comic book series in the world of "Logan." Same for X3 or anything else.

"The basic story happened, but the comics butchered it."

Whatever, just gimme a damn good Wolverine movie and then leave me alone, Fox.

[JTH]

I like X3 better than X2, probably better than X1, too. It's the first movie to actually deliver on "big" mutant goings-on, even if the execution wasn't ideal.

The only thing X3 delivered on was rebooting the franchise after Fox couldn't find a way to bring back half the main cast Brent Ratner killed off for no reason.

X3 is a movie that has 1 main plot that is written horribly, no character development, no real stakes involved, and has about 6 side plots that are never given a chance to breathe and aren't even given closure by the end of the movie.

X3 is seriously the biggest pile of hot garbage I've ever seen, and to this day I've never been angrier leaving a movie theater than when I saw that movie.

[Andrew NDB]

Seeing some rumors that maybe Xavier is just a ghost or hallucination by Wolverine in the movie. Maybe it does take place way further in the future than we thought or are being led to believe.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Seeing some rumors that maybe Xavier is just a ghost or hallucination by Wolverine in the movie. Maybe it does take place way further in the future than we thought or are being led to believe.

Nah. I'm calling BS.

[Jephael]

I might actually have to see this one. The last time I watched an X-Men movie in the theater was the very first one back in 1999. Might as well since it'll be my last chance to see Hugh Jackman in that iconic role.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Seeing some rumors that maybe Xavier is just a ghost or hallucination by Wolverine in the movie. Maybe it does take place way further in the future than we thought or are being led to believe.

It's an interesting thought... no other characters in the trailers seem to interact with Xavier but Logan himself.
I think it'd make more sense though if Xavier is bedridden the entire movie, but his mental powers allowed him to be with Logan in spirit. He pulled that trick a couple times in DoFP.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

I know this might sound like a silly question, but do you guys think Fox could convince Hugh to stay on as Wolverine?

He's the only GOOD thing ( and Kelsey Grammer as Beast) to come out of the cluster fu*k stories/characters of these movies.

So sad to see he him leave:cry:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I know this might sound like a silly question, but do you guys think Fox could convince Hugh to stay on as Wolverine?

He's the only GOOD thing ( and Kelsey Grammer as Beast) to come out of the cluster fu*k stories/characters of these movies.

So sad to see he him leave:cry:

I think it's quite likely Jackman could be pulled back in to appear in one of the Deadpool sequels. But that'd be it; I don't see him ever returning to the main line of films (and why would he want to?)...

[Andrew NDB]

I think it's quite likely Jackman could be pulled back in to appear in one of the Deadpool sequels. But that'd be it; I don't see him ever returning to the main line of films (and why would he want to?)...

Yeah, it's pretty clear something is happening with Deadpool and Wolverine.

[CyberCubed]

Jackman's getting to the point where he could play Old Man Wolverine in a few years. Don't be surprised if 10-15 years down the road they want to bring him back for another new X-men movie.

Would be just like how Harrison Ford returned for Indiana Jones 4.

[Andrew NDB]

Jackman's getting to the point where he could play Old Man Wolverine in a few years. Don't be surprised if 10-15 years down the road they want to bring him back for another new X-men movie.

Would be just like how Harrison Ford returned for Indiana Jones 4.

A better example would be Sean Connery for "Never Say Never."

[ZariusTwo]

Oh you guys keeping score of the X-Men timeline are gonna LOVE this:lol:

From the trailers we could tell that Logan was going to be tonally different to the X-Men movies that have come before. In our exclusive trailer breakdown, director James Mangold alluded to the very different style of the movie.

But now it turns out it's not even set in the same universe as the other X-Men and Wolverine films.


"When you see the full movie you'll understand," he told us. "Not only is it different in terms of timeline and tone, it's a slightly different universe. It's actually a different paradigm and that will become clear."

This is to be Jackman's last outing as Wolverine (unless the Fat Wolverine v Deadpool movie Jackman wants, comes off) and he says the studio gave them a blank canvas.

"I said this was my last one and they said make the movie you want to make," he explained.

"And so Jim [Mangold] and I had this blank canvas and we wanted to make something really different. Definitely tonally different, I kept thinking The Wrestler, Unforgiven.

"He was thinking Unforgiven as well and The Gauntlet and these other movies which just seemed to really match his character. Early on we had the idea for the title not having anything to do with Wolverine in it but just being about the man. And what the collateral damage of being Wolverine your entire life would be."

http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/wolverine/news/a819480/hugh-jackman-says-logan-different-universe-x-men-films/

[TheSkeletonMan939]

In regards to both this news and the Terminator reboot stuff:

These people are storytellers, not necessarily chroniclers. They want to tell whatever stories they want, and if that interferes with established canon... so be it.
It's like how the Greeks and Romans have contradicting accounts of the same mythical event. Whatever makes for the better story is what they go with, regardless of what they've said on it before.

[Andrew NDB]

Oh you guys keeping score of the X-Men timeline are gonna LOVE this:lol:



http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/wolverine/news/a819480/hugh-jackman-says-logan-different-universe-x-men-films/

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/000/554/facepalm.jpg

[NinjaPug]

Wait....Mangold wanted to make a Wolverine movie that was disconnected from the Wolverine movie he made 3 years ago? I get not wanting to be connected to the trash that Singer and Ratner put out but not your own film.

[The Deadman]

Logan Rated R: Director James Mangold Confirms Rating for Finale
Read more at http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/805973-logan-rated-r-director-james-mangold-confirms-rating-for-finale#p0luDvveMq19HKjK.99

[Andrew NDB]

Logan Rated R: Director James Mangold Confirms Rating for Finale
Read more at http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/805973-logan-rated-r-director-james-mangold-confirms-rating-for-finale#p0luDvveMq19HKjK.99

That was news like a year ago.

[Autbot_Benz]

ArFUNpwAM20

[Autbot_Benz]

New Imax Poster. I put it in Spoiler tags cause its pretty big


http://i.imgur.com/TriPifX.jpg

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Nice! Gives off a real western vibe.

[CyberCubed]

Looks like The Last of Us.

[Andrew NDB]

The more I "see" of this the more I'm having a little bit of a problem imagining the general arc of the movie.

So I imagine the movie opens up with Wolverine fostering Xavier... then X-23 shows up, on the run. They have a nice dinner. Then the cars show up and robot hand man starts a fight. Then they're on the run a lot. Eventually the robot hand man and his people find them again or Wolverine turns the tables on them and metal hand man is killed. Xavier probably dies somewhere in the middle of the movie. Wolverine doesn't die at the end.

None of this sounds particularly exciting to me. You remove the quick cuts of the trailer and Johnny Cash, I'm not sure there's all that much under the hood.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

The more I "see" of this the more I'm having a little bit of a problem imagining the general arc of the movie.

So I imagine the movie opens up with Wolverine fostering Xavier... then X-23 shows up, on the run. They have a nice dinner. Then the cars show up and robot hand man starts a fight. Then they're on the run a lot. Eventually the robot hand man and his people find them again or Wolverine turns the tables on them and metal hand man is killed. Xavier probably dies somewhere in the middle of the movie. Wolverine doesn't die at the end.

None of this sounds particularly exciting to me. You remove the quick cuts of the trailer and Johnny Cash, I'm not sure there's all that much under the hood.

Character development and tragedy. I'll be just fine with a slower character piece. Especially if it knows how to stick the last act.

Feels like Book of Eli, with mutants. Book of Eli was a slower movie.

[Andrew NDB]

Feels like Book of Eli, with mutants. Book of Eli was a slower movie.

I'm not sure I really loved Book of Eli. It had its moments but it felt very derivative and the ending felt like a poor man's Shyamalan twist.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

The more I "see" of this the more I'm having a little bit of a problem imagining the general arc of the movie.

I've a feeling that there's a good chunk of the movie we just haven't seen in the promos.

[CyberCubed]

I think this movie will be the Citizen Kane of X-men films.

[ToTheNines]

Can't wait to see redneck Bruce Banner and his cousin-fuc*ing grandkids fight Wolvie.

[Andrew NDB]

I bet Sabertooth is in it. That'll be the last surprise. Meh.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I bet Sabertooth is in it. That'll be the last surprise. Meh.

I'd definitely love that. That's a "squee!" from me, not "meh." :tlol:

[Autbot_Benz]

I'd definitely love that. That's a "squee!" from me, not "meh." :tlol:

agreed as long as it was liev schreiber again.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

agreed as long as it was liev schreiber again.

Absolutely.

[Andrew NDB]

I'd enjoy seeing him again. But "Liev Schreiber back as Sabertooth!" hardly seems the "Holy Sh*t!" thing they're saving it out to be.

He's probably metal hand dude's secret weapon against Logan/X-23. So far no villain we've seen in the movie trailers appear that they'd be able to go one-on-one with Wolverine (though I bet metal hand dude's hand is made of adamantium... I can just see him catching Wolverine's claws in a scene) and I can't imagine that they leave it like that.

The twist, I bet, is that Sabertooth double-crosses metal hand man, uniting with Wolvie against him and his cronies.

[CyberCubed]

Hot damn the first reviews are coming in, IGN gave it a 9.7. Other critics are calling it the "best comic book movie ever made."

http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/02/17/logan-review

Looks like we have a winner here.

[ZariusTwo]

Read a slightly spolierish review over on TIME magazine that got me thinking this

One typical average kid
Loves to read her comic strips
Wishing one day she'd reach eden
With big bad Wolverine
Big Bad Wolverine
Big Bad Wolverine

:P

[CyberCubed]

Logan has a 96% fresh rating after 56 reviews on rottentomatoes:

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/logan_2017/

Logan really IS the "Citizen Kane" of superhero films. This is the happiest day of my life, a Fox X-men movie is going to go down in history as one of the best comic book or superhero movies of all time.

They will talk about this movie 20-30 years from now just like we still talk about Terminator, Star Wars, or Rocky.

What a time to be alive.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Cubed I think it is a bit early to say things like that.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

He's just being a troll, don't pay him mind when he says crap like that.

[CyberCubed]

It has a 96% fresh rating. What do you guys want?

People still talk about X-men 1 which came out nearly 17 years ago now. You think people won't talk about X-men films 20 years from now?

People still bring up Batman 1989 25 years later.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

The weird part is I think he actually believes it.....

[ZariusTwo]

It has a 96% fresh rating. What do you guys want?.

Marvel Studio Movies get high ratings on RT all the time...and yet I think most of their movies are kiddie-cutter dogs*it regardless of whether that's a popular opinion to have or not

Not everyone will be swayed by it. In fact I prefer reading the negative reviews like the ones I read about it from the NYTimes and GQ so I can keep my expectations in check.

[CyberCubed]

So far the most negative review was from Time magazine from some female. Seems she didn't like the violence in the movie.

[Jester]

Those blasted females...amirite?

[CyberCubed]

Well this is the most violent X-men movie with on-screen gore and it's rated R for a reason, and females are known to abhor violence. I mean she's the only negative review on rottentomatoes right now.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Was she commenting on the violence in general, or the fact that a little girl spent the whole movie stabbing people's brains out? :P

[CyberCubed]

Here's the review:

http://time.com/4671852/logan-movie-review/

An excerpt:

The violence in Logan is grisly and overbearing, just in case you’d otherwise failed to get the memo on its tone of unforgiving gloom. This picture is explicitly for adults: The MPAA has given it an R rating for violence, brief nudity, and curse words, the usual stuff the MPAA obsesses over. But there’s nothing exhilarating or pulpy about Logan. The picture is mostly tedious and unpleasant, which is a shame for the sake of the performers.

She also takes a jab at superhero films in general. What do you expect from someone with the name, "Stephanie Zacharek."

[GoldMutant]

It has a 96% fresh rating. What do you guys want?

To quote Cure (with modification) about Cubed and The Lego Batman Movie as it applies here:

"I'm into this so I cannot fathom other people not being into it."

[Cure]

That's pretty much me.

[plastroncafe]

This is what happens when you grow up on media drowning in singular token female characters, you get troglodyte mouth-breathers insisting what one woman says is what all women say.

Caught the longer Logan trailer before John Wick Chapter 2, could NOT be more excited about this movie than I am.

(John Wick was good too, though I think I preferred the first one more.)

[CyberCubed]

Hot damn, rottentomatoes is now a 97%

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/logan_2017/

Is this one of the highest rated superhero/comic book movies of all time? I'm too lazy to check, what did the first two Nolan Batman films get on rottentomatoes?

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Hey dum-dum, you realize that the movie technically hasn't even come out yet? I'm not saying the critics are wrong, I'm saying that maybe hyperbole should be reserved until more people are able to have their say.

[CyberCubed]

Even so, when you have 57 reviews counted so far with a fresh rating of 97%, you know most of the general public will like it too.

Look at Batman/Superman having a 27% rotten rating on the site, and a lot of fans didn't like it. I thought it was ok though.

[Coola Yagami]

I'd enjoy seeing him again. But "Liev Schreiber back as Sabertooth!" hardly seems the "Holy Sh*t!" thing they're saving it out to be.

He's probably metal hand dude's secret weapon against Logan/X-23. So far no villain we've seen in the movie trailers appear that they'd be able to go one-on-one with Wolverine (though I bet metal hand dude's hand is made of adamantium... I can just see him catching Wolverine's claws in a scene) and I can't imagine that they leave it like that.

The twist, I bet, is that Sabertooth double-crosses metal hand man, uniting with Wolvie against him and his cronies.

I hope so. The movie looks kinda boring just to have Wolverine fight normal soldiers and whatnot. Metalhand man does not impress me, neither do Reavers.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

This movie is reviewing very well everywhere, what do you guys think Fox will do with Wolverine now? Do you think they will throw some $$$$$ Hughs way, to try and make him stay on? recast? or rest the character for now?:o

[TheSkeletonMan939]

I think Jackman has enough respect for the character to stay away from returning to the franchise. Maybe ten or twenty years from now he'll have some sort of fun cameo role but he's done as Wolverine.

[The Deadman]

Hugh Jackman Would Keep Playing Wolverine If The X-Men Were Part Of The Marvel Cinematic Universe (https://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/logan/hugh-jackman-would-keep-playing-wolverine-if-the-x-men-were-part-of-a149177)

[The Deadman]

Hot damn, rottentomatoes is now a 97%

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/logan_2017/

Is this one of the highest rated superhero/comic book movies of all time? I'm too lazy to check, what did the first two Nolan Batman films get on rottentomatoes?

No clue why you're taking Rotten Tomatoes' ratings as the end all be all of online movie rating systems.

[CyberCubed]

No clue why you're taking Rotten Tomatoes' ratings as the end all be all of online movie rating systems.

Because the site generally averages all the top movie critics and combines it together. Of course it's not the end of all ratings people can have for a movie, but it still gives you a good idea if movies are good or not.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Sir Patrick Stewart is retiring from the role of Professor X in solidarity with Hugh Jackman leaving that of Logan.

“A week ago, Friday night in Berlin, the three of us sat, watching the movie, and I was so moved by it, much more moved than I had been the first time of seeing it. Maybe it was the company of these two guys, but the movie ended and — this is an admission — but at one point [Hugh] reached out, and he took my hand in those last few minutes, and I saw him go [mimes wiping a tear from his eye] like this, and then I realized I had just done the same thing. Then, the movie ended… and we were going to be taken up on stage, but not until the credits were over. So, we had some time to sit there and, as I sat there I realized there will never be a better, a more perfect, a more sensitive, emotional, and beautiful way of saying au revoir to Charles Xavier than this movie. So, I told [Hugh] that same evening, ‘I’m done too. It’s all over.'"

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/sir-patrick-stewart-officially-announces-that-logan-will-be-his-last-time-a149211

[Andrew NDB]

Sir Patrick Stewart is retiring from the role of Professor X in solidarity with Hugh Jackman leaving that of Logan.



https://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/sir-patrick-stewart-officially-announces-that-logan-will-be-his-last-time-a149211

Meaningless. It's not like anybody was planning to do a Halle Berry and Scott Marsden movie or anything.

[CyberCubed]

Well Patrick Stewart continuing this long after X3 in 2006 was surprising in itself. He deserves a much needed rest from the character.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Meaningless. It's not like anybody was planning to do a Halle Berry and Scott Marsden movie or anything.

Thank GOD.

Halle Berry and James Marsden are the WORST.

[Andrew NDB]

Now if Stewart can just be in a proper TNG sendoff movie or project, I'd be happy.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Now if Stewart can just be in a proper TNG sendoff movie or project, I'd be happy.

We absolutely need a 25th century Star Trek show with an Admiral/Ambassador Picard sendoff, not this Discovery drivel.

Sigh.

Read the novels from Pocket Books, they've done some AMAZING things for relaunching the 24th century shows. Next Generation, DS9, Voyager, and even Star Trek Titan.

[CyberCubed]

Did any of those books reveal if Data kept his well...memory? When they transfered his mind to the new Data robot after he died?

I don't even remember what happened anymore.

[Andrew NDB]

Did any of those books reveal if Data kept his well...memory? When they transfered his mind to the new Data robot after he died?

I don't even remember what happened anymore.

Star Trek: Online seems to answer that, from what I understand (yes, he does). I think he even captains the Enterprise-F.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

I don't really like the new younger cast of the X-men movies, I think with the original actors leaving the roles, it's time to stop making these dreadful movies.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Did any of those books reveal if Data kept his well...memory? When they transfered his mind to the new Data robot after he died?

I don't even remember what happened anymore.

Yes, there is an epic trilogy "Cold Equations" that directly deals with Data's long overdue resurrection, his creator Noonien Soong, and other interesting elements. Another great read (which is a direct prequel to many of the trilogy's elements) is "Immortal Coil." Then a follow-up novel "The Light Fantastic" brings back Lal and examines Data as a father.

Some other fantastic things the various relaunch novels have done are:

Odo sends a Jem'Hadar named Taran'atar to DS9 as a cultural observer (Taran'atar is my favorite main character ever)
A full-scale decisive war between the Alpha Quadrant and the Borg Collective
A follow-up to the Romulan government's fallout from "Nemesis"
Doctor Bashir goes to work for Section 31, hoping to destroy it from within
Captain Riker leads the crew of the USS Titan
Ro Laren joins the senior staff of Deep Space 9
Captain Picard and Doctor Crusher finally resolve their romantic relationship
Garak takes a high-ranking public role in the rebuilding of Cardassia
Chakotay is promoted to Captain of the USS Voyager, Tom Paris as his first officer
The USS Voyager is sent back to explore the Delta Quadrant and verify that the Borg have been truly eradicated
The status of B'Elanna Torres' daughter Miral and her role in Klingon prophecy is revealed



And, in the 22nd century, the Romulan Star Empire goes to war with Earth, Vulcan, Tellar, and Andor
In the immediate fallout of the Romulan War, the Federation is formed and the Enterprise crew take a prominent role in the first steps of this galactic union

[Andrew NDB]

Spoilers:

In 2029, Logan, who has aged greatly when his healing factor began to falter over the years, spends his days working as a chauffeur and hustling for prescription drugs in Texas. He and Caliban live in an abandoned farm across the border in Mexico, where they care for a senile Charles Xavier, who had inadvertently killed several of his X-Men in a seizure-induced psychic attack one year earlier. Logan is approached by Gabriela, a nurse for Transigen who asks him to escort her and an 11-year-old girl named Laura to a place in North Dakota called "Eden". After reluctantly accepting the job, Logan discovers that Gabriela has been murdered and he, Xavier, and Laura narrowly escape from Donald Pierce and the Reavers while Caliban is captured and ordered to use his mutant powers to track them. Logan and Xavier learn through a video on Gabriela's phone that Transigen was breeding children with DNA samples from several mutants, but upon completion of the "X-24" project, the children were to be put to death. Gabriela helped several children escape from the Transigen compound before smuggling Laura across the border. Furhermore, Laura is revealed to be Logan's "daughter", as she was bred with his DNA.

While staying in Oklahoma City, Logan develops skepticism over the location of Eden, as he discovers it being referenced in an X-Men comic book that Laura brought with her. The Reavers find their whereabouts, but Xavier suffers another seizure and freezes everyone at the hotel with a psychic blast. Logan injects Xavier with a suppressant before they leave the city. The trio are given shelter by a family after helping them round up their horses during a highway incident. That night, Xavier and the family are killed by X-24, a perfect clone of Logan, who then shackles Laura and heads to the Reavers' van. Caliban grabs two grenades and sets them off, killing himself and destroying the van while Logan and Laura once again escape. After burying Xavier, Logan reluctantly follows Laura's orders to take her to Eden. They arrive at Eden, which is a safe haven run by Rictor and former Transigen test subjects. There, Logan learns that the children will make an eight mile journey across the forest to the Canadian border, but they are quickly captured by the Reavers. Using a mutant serum given to him by Rictor, a re-energized Logan plows through the Reavers, but the serum wears off quickly before he meets Zander Rice, the head of the Transigen project who sought to avenge his father's death during the Weapon X program. Logan kills Rice while the children overwhelm Pierce with their powers, but he is outmatched by X-24. He is impaled through a tree during the fight, but Laura shoots X-24 in the head with an Adamantium bullet, which Logan had kept with him for years. After Logan succumbs to his wounds, Laura and the children bury him before continuing their journey across the border.

No Sabertooth appearance. No real big surprises at all.

[ZariusTwo]

I've just come back from seeing it

It's a pretty good movie...not the "Dark Knight level masterpiece" all the overexaggerative types on RT, Youtube, and Cubed in particular are calling it, but it's a sound enough time-filler with some interesting takes on a few things.

First off, while that first half of the film with Logan, Laura and Xavier is a joy to watch...the problem lies in the fact you've seen virtually all of the best bits in the trailers and tv spots, so if you haven't seen them...avoid them. The bits I did'nt see explored in those spots were stuff I really wanted to see a lot more of. More of Xavier struggling in the giant mental shed they'd created for him and suffering with his powers and seizures, all of which really don't play as big a part in shaping his character after we're reintroduced to him in this state...and after a nifty sequence in the hotel siege, the magnfitude of the psychic seizers don't have a big part outside of the two scenes they're in

I wanted to see more of Wolvie haunted and getting involved in picking up all manners of characters, I wanted more of Caliban interacting with him too, they're seperated not long into the movie and never reunite, with Caliban sacrificing himself and setting off an explosion.

The second act turned out to be my favourite spot when I thought it would be a concern, I enjoyed the quiet family dinner, Logan helping out with the water pipes and scaring away the land sharks, and Xavier's confession to 'Logan' just before...damn. When you get to the final act, I really wish Charles had the chance to meet the other children, it would have reignited his dream one more time.

The 'twist' with Hugh playing an evil clone (X-24) is a good one. but again, not a lot of emphasis is placed on the hows and whys of this character, he's mainly muscle for Richard E Grant and does'nt get to do a whole lot other than deal Logan his final crushing blows, and then he's taken out by an adiantium bullet after a single gunshot fired by Laura. Logan, while certaingly on fine form for most of the third act, sort of goes out with a whimper. A simple berzerker rage and killing the clone himself would have sufficed, but...nah, "saved" just before he dies by a girl with the very thing he hates...a gun, which I guess is a thing of ironic beutey in the movie I ought to appreciate more...but I don't.

[Andrew NDB]

I do find it odd that of all the things to bring back in Logan, they choose to bring back "the adamantium bullet," which everyone hated in "X-Men Origins: Wolverine." And that didn't even kill Wolverine in that movie! Why would it suddenly work on X-24 Wolverine now?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Yeah, the spoilers are true...

I'm very disappointed. Still, I suppose I'll see it; already made arrangements with the crew for a night out. So...

[Andrew NDB]

Logan, while certaingly on fine form for most of the third act, sort of goes out with a whimper.

Kind of like the whole franchise, really.

[ProactiveMan]

I liked it. I definitely want to watch it again some time. It's pretty violent... maybe too violent. I'm so desensitized that it's hard to tell, but it's an odd move for a franchise that has thus far been pretty tame. Imagine if the Dark Knight Rises had Batman suddenly swearing like a sailor, and graphically ripping people apart.

[Autbot_Benz]

Glad its good and Violent that is how Wolverine should be. I am going to see it next week. I really wish Sabertooth had been in it. It would have been cool

[Andrew NDB]

Glad its good and Violent that is how Wolverine should be. I am going to see it next week. I really wish Sabertooth had been in it. It would have been cool

I'm shocked he's not. I thought the Schreiber/Jackman hubbub a ways back was a sure giveaway.

As is, I'm pretty sure their dumb X24 Wolverine clone guy could've easily been rewritten as Sabertooth. Instead of just some mindless rage automaton, there'd be history.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm shocked he's not. I thought the Schreiber/Jackman hubbub a ways back was a sure giveaway.

As is, I'm pretty sure their dumb X24 Wolverine clone guy could've easily been rewritten as Sabertooth. Instead of just some mindless rage automaton, there'd be history.

Agreed. This really pisses me off. Would've killed for that to be the case.

[RaphaelinSTL]

Yeah, I loved this movie. It lived up to my own hype and even exceeded expectations. Great, great film.

Edit: Also...yeah, I'd go so far as to say it's on level with The Dark Knight for me. I haven't been as emotionally involved in a true genuine story within a comic book genre in years.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Spoilers:

In 2029, Logan, who has aged greatly when his healing factor began to falter over the years, spends his days working as a chauffeur and hustling for prescription drugs in Texas. He and Caliban live in an abandoned farm across the border in Mexico, where they care for a senile Charles Xavier, who had inadvertently killed several of his X-Men in a seizure-induced psychic attack one year earlier. Logan is approached by Gabriela, a nurse for Transigen who asks him to escort her and an 11-year-old girl named Laura to a place in North Dakota called "Eden". After reluctantly accepting the job, Logan discovers that Gabriela has been murdered and he, Xavier, and Laura narrowly escape from Donald Pierce and the Reavers while Caliban is captured and ordered to use his mutant powers to track them. Logan and Xavier learn through a video on Gabriela's phone that Transigen was breeding children with DNA samples from several mutants, but upon completion of the "X-24" project, the children were to be put to death. Gabriela helped several children escape from the Transigen compound before smuggling Laura across the border. Furhermore, Laura is revealed to be Logan's "daughter", as she was bred with his DNA.

While staying in Oklahoma City, Logan develops skepticism over the location of Eden, as he discovers it being referenced in an X-Men comic book that Laura brought with her. The Reavers find their whereabouts, but Xavier suffers another seizure and freezes everyone at the hotel with a psychic blast. Logan injects Xavier with a suppressant before they leave the city. The trio are given shelter by a family after helping them round up their horses during a highway incident. That night, Xavier and the family are killed by X-24, a perfect clone of Logan, who then shackles Laura and heads to the Reavers' van. Caliban grabs two grenades and sets them off, killing himself and destroying the van while Logan and Laura once again escape. After burying Xavier, Logan reluctantly follows Laura's orders to take her to Eden. They arrive at Eden, which is a safe haven run by Rictor and former Transigen test subjects. There, Logan learns that the children will make an eight mile journey across the forest to the Canadian border, but they are quickly captured by the Reavers. Using a mutant serum given to him by Rictor, a re-energized Logan plows through the Reavers, but the serum wears off quickly before he meets Zander Rice, the head of the Transigen project who sought to avenge his father's death during the Weapon X program. Logan kills Rice while the children overwhelm Pierce with their powers, but he is outmatched by X-24. He is impaled through a tree during the fight, but Laura shoots X-24 in the head with an Adamantium bullet, which Logan had kept with him for years. After Logan succumbs to his wounds, Laura and the children bury him before continuing their journey across the border.

No Sabertooth appearance. No real big surprises at all.

Wait to Xavier dies??! Wtf?! Someone told me that Xavier doesn't die but eventually becomes a more powerful mutant? Is this true? I mean I don't barley follow the comics so..

[ZariusTwo]

Wait to Xavier dies??! Wtf?! Someone told me that Xavier doesn't die but eventually becomes a more powerful mutant? Is this true? I mean I don't barley follow the comics so..

Xavier dies and it's pretty harsh. He's killed by X-24 half-way through a speech about how this was the best night he'd had and it's hinted that he killed the rest of the X-Men during a psychic seizure years ago.

In the comics, Xavier is dead presently also, but he was murdered by Cyclops and his brain was borrowed by The Red Skull and...yeah, I'll just stop there

[Krutch]

Loooooved this movie. Was actually surprised by it, as I wasn't a big fan of The Wolverine movie that Mangold did a few years back.

But man. Fantastic film.

Just like RaphaelinSTL said, I haven't been caught up emotionally in a comic book movie like this in years. So much tension in each scene. I'm not a guy who really cares all that much about action scenes but these got the adrenaline pumping. Visceral stuff. Loved it.

[ZariusTwo]

I quite liked "The Wolverine", it gets better when viewed a few times. Everyone complains about that third act and Silver Samurai, but I get a nifty feeling out of it.:D

I watched the Deadpool scene online because my theatre did'nt carry it before the movie. Hilarious, and they used the actual John Willams Superman score

[RaphaelinSTL]

Loooooved this movie. Was actually surprised by it, as I wasn't a big fan of The Wolverine movie that Mangold did a few years back.

But man. Fantastic film.

Just like RaphaelinSTL said, I haven't been caught up emotionally in a comic book movie like this in years. So much tension in each scene. I'm not a guy who really cares all that much about action scenes but these got the adrenaline pumping. Visceral stuff. Loved it.

Yeah, those two films don't even feel on the same level whatsoever. I'm sure that had a lot to do with trying to fit within the PG-13, summer blockbuster narrative. I liked that 2013 movie upon seeing it a few months after release, but only at surface level really since I think most people would agree that X-Men Origins: Wolverine was just so god awful.

This, however, just hit all the right buttons for me in terms of storytelling, tension and necessary action. The music was haunting and the brutality while being VERY MUCH adrenaline pumping also gave me a sense of panic since it was more so about fighting to get out of a situation as opposed to here's the final boss superhero vs. super villain segment that's been done to death. While I do enjoy a lot of movies that do have that (come on, 1990 TMNT is a classic final battle)...how everything was put together was done incredibly well.

My opinion...but I feel like this movie does a better service of hitting the best parts of The Dark Knight Returns story beats FAR BETTER than both The Dark Knight Rises and Batman v. Superman ever could.

I can't wait to see Logan again and again.

[Andrew NDB]

About Sabertooth:

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/logan/logan-screenwriter-reveals-that-the-movie-was-originally-going-to-a149345

[ZariusTwo]

Here's possibly how FOX were able to secure the rights to an iconic theme (spoilers)

http://comicbook.com/marvel/2017/03/03/logans-deadpool-scene-featured-a-superman-the-movie-reference/

[NinjaPug]

Decent movie but I don't understand where all the "best comic book movie" hyperbole is coming from. It's not even the best X-Men movie IMO.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm going to see it tonight. I suspect I'll enjoy it but, like The Wolverine, take big issues with the third act and ending.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm going to see it tonight. I suspect I'll enjoy it but, like The Wolverine, take big issues with the third act and ending.

Same here. Will be interested to see your opinion... not bringing Sabretooth in is a big miss for me personally, and the character they created for the film could also be a big miss. I dunno, will have to see how it actually plays out on film.

[Krutch]

Same here. Will be interested to see your opinion... not bringing Sabretooth in is a big miss for me personally, and the character they created for the film could also be a big miss. I dunno, will have to see how it actually plays out on film.

The created character functions as an obstacle, nothing more. The movie has enough going on that while having Sabretooth in it could have been cool, it also isn't necessary.

If there's one tiny nitpick I had about the movie at all it'd be...
When the kids are being hunted down in the forest at the end. Uh, aren't these the superpowered kids that managed to escape? They're just dropping like flies! And they get handcuffed offscreen... how... how does a kid who shoots lightning, or a kid who can control nature while being in the middle of a forrest get caught so easily?

I can easily overlook that though. Minor gripe to an otherwise superb movie.

[PApagreg]

The created character functions as an obstacle, nothing more. The movie has enough going on that while having Sabretooth in it could have been cool, it also isn't necessary.

If there's one tiny nitpick I had about the movie at all it'd be...
When the kids are being hunted down in the forest at the end. Uh, aren't these the superpowered kids that managed to escape? They're just dropping like flies! And they get handcuffed offscreen... how... how does a kid who shoots lightning, or a kid who can control nature while being in the middle of a forrest get caught so easily?

I can easily overlook that though. Minor gripe to an otherwise superb movie.


They're basically glass cannons, sure they are really powerful but a bullet is probably gonna take them out easily so its pretty smart for them not to get into a firefight. Also keep in mind some of their powers might strain them, remember when the Magneto kid tried to crush 24 with a truck and he was clenching his chest afterwards

[Andrew NDB]

Saw it. Initial thoughts: (some spoilers)

* Man, pretty sh*tty that Wolverine traveled through time to stop mutants and the X-Men being wiped out to just... watch the same thing happen anyway 6 years later.
* The X24 stuff didn't bother me as much as I thought. And I can kind of see how Sabertooth might have taken away from things (but not a mind-wiped Sabertooth, which would play into how he was in X1 anyway... or even a Sabertooth clone that would purely invoke memory). I'm sure the symbology was the idea. You know. Old Wolverine vs. his dumber, rageful self and kind of conquering it.
* The actual X24 fight stuff was kind of hard to look at. They clearly had problems doing two Jackmans simultaneously so it's a lot of quick cut stuff.
* There is a a few really great visceral shots of the violence. But probably about 70% is kind of quickly cut off-camera stuff that is sometimes hard to track with the eye or leaves way too much to the imagination.

Sounds like a nest of complaints but... the rest? Badass. I greatly enjoyed it. I think the Foxvel universe should call it good with this one and either reboot and learn from this movie in terms of what could be (plus this gets them out of a messy non-reboot Wolverine recasting) or simply play ball with Marvel proper on a different kind of reboot. Neither things I place much stock in. But as is they will never hit higher heights than this. Certainly not with Kinberg's upcoming "Dark Phoenix Saga, Take 2."

[ZariusTwo]

Yeah, at this stage I want Fox to adapt the Deadpool model of "Mcavoy or Stewart" and just play fast and loose with continuity so they can afford to tell the best stories possible like they did here, they've encouraged the audience not to get too attached so long as they are attached to the character studies.

[Shark_Blade]

Saw it. Pretty good but not exactly the greatest thing ever like people make it out to be. Read that some people even cried - I didn't know why they would, until I found out myself at the cinema that

Charles Xavier died and later on Logan himself died...

but meh, I'm indifferent. I love both of the characters but not that affected by it. The ending is pretty bland but I guess it suits the purpose.

I love the action, the dialogue is great and the acting is top notch by everyone. Love the gore and R rating. An 8/10 from me.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

:tlol: It looks like Andrew and I agree on this movie.

X-24 worked way better in the movie than I thought he would. If his character had been Sabretooth instead, the audience (myself especially) would have complained that he got no dialogue and was underutilized. Wolverine versus a younger better clone worked perfectly for this movie.

This isn't the way I wanted a last Wolverine movie to be done, but that doesn't stop it from being a damn good story and possibly Fox's best.

It was bleak, heartbreaking, and beautiful. Time for Fox to be done with X-Men. I'd prefer to see a full reboot that is well written and planned from the ground up (NO SINGER), but they won't.

But seriously... from the end of Days of Future Past to THIS? DAMN.

5 out of 5 stars. Right up there with First Class.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

4 out of 5. Wonderful film. Not a very original story, and you have to have watched at least a few of the previous X-films to really appreciate it, but it still hits a home run in the character department.

Wonderful acting from all - I wasn't expecting Caliban to make anywhere near as much an impression as he did. I don't know if there could have been a more satisfying way for us to say goodbye to Logan than we did in those last moments.

Who had the higher kill count - Logan or Laura? :P

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Thinking about it, I think I rank the X-Men films as follows:

First Class
Logan

Days of Future Past
Origins: Wolverine
The Wolverine
X2: X-Men United
X3: The Last Stand
X-Men

Apocalypse
Deadpool

[TheSkeletonMan939]

I think the most harrowing bit of the film was when that dad pointed his gun at Logan, and Logan just accepts it. This is why he hates himself; ever since he was a kid, he's been indirectly responsible for so many deaths of friends and family. For the past 17 years we've been watching the character bounce back from all the misery (particularly X3) but now we see the ultimate toll it takes.

Also, because I'm a film music addict, nice work from Beltrami. Some might call it emotionally distant, but that's the way Logan acts in this movie until his last moments. Careful listeners will hear the return of a theme from the 2013 Wolvie film.

[myconius]

saw it today. LOVED it!

definitely one of my favorites from the whole bunch.

it's about time we finally see that level of brutality from a Wolverine movie.

i was NOT prepared for both Charles and Logan's deaths!! ;n;

[Andrew NDB]

Thinking about it, I think I rank the X-Men films as follows:

First Class
Logan

Days of Future Past
Origins: Wolverine
The Wolverine
X2: X-Men United
X3: The Last Stand
X-Men

Apocalypse
Deadpool

1. First Class
2. Logan
3. Deadpool
4. The Wolverine
5. DofP
6. X3
7. X1
8. X-Men Origins: Wolverine
9. Apocalypse
10. X2

Probably that for me.

[plastroncafe]

I just got back from seeing this.
Hands down the best X-Film from beginning to end.

I'll always love parts of the first two, but overall I think this was the most consistent through out the movie.
Holy crap. I can't get over how awesome that was.

[Shark_Blade]

By rank:

X-Men
Deadpool
Day of Future Past
Logan
First Class
The Wolverine
Apocalypse
X3
X2
X-Men Origins: Wolverine

[Andrew NDB]

By rank:

X-Men
Deadpool
Day of Future Past
Logan
First Class
The Wolverine
Apocalypse
X3
X2
X-Men Origins: Wolverine

I can respect that list.

[Andrew NDB]

You just know Bryan Singer is somewhere locked in a room fuming that people are raving about Logan, particularly after Deadpool surpassed every X-Men movie ever, and at a fraction of the budget.

[plastroncafe]

Man I hope so.
Deadpool and Logan were the only two of the X-Movies to be solidly great from beginning to end.

[Andrew NDB]

Man I hope so.
Deadpool and Logan were the only two of the X-Movies to be solidly great from beginning to end.

No love for First Class?

[plastroncafe]

No love for First Class?

Parts, sure, but as a whole not so much.
Which is kind of how I feel about the bulk of the X-movies. Some stuff within them is great, but they're never solid from beginning to end.

[Andrew NDB]

Parts, sure, but as a whole not so much.
Which is kind of how I feel about the bulk of the X-movies. Some stuff within them is great, but they're never solid from beginning to end.

Can't disagree there. There are large parts of First Class that seem a little meandering. But far, vastly less than the other ones.

[Andrew NDB]

Come to think of it, if Logan were to represent the "Big End" to the whole Foxvel universe... wouldn't that be perfect? He is the one character to remember all of it, regardless of the DofP "softboot." He woke up in his new timeline's body at the end of DofP, retaining the entirety of his memories from the original timeline... plus presumably assimilating his new body's new memories from the altered 70s all the way to 2023 when he woke up. He has been the caretaker of everything, regardless of quality, and we have been there along with him the whole way.

One thing stood out to me in Logan, now that I think about it. Early on we see his limousine ID says JAMES HOWLETT, which is his real name. We heard it in X-Men Origins: Wolverine in the opening scene. We know it from the comics, too. Later in the movie, at the "last supper" scene, he identifies all of them as the "Howletts." That's cool. What I don't get is... how does Wolverine know that's his real name? In the context of the films, he had the adamantium bullet fired into his brain in X-Men Origins: Wolverine and completely forgot everything up and to that point. I think we're supposed to speculate that at some point between the end of DofP and Logan, Xavier helps him remember... maybe? But if Xavier could do that, why wouldn't he have done that during X1-X3? Like, probably right away?

[TheSkeletonMan939]

The same question comes up in 'The Wolverine': how does Logan remember saving that evil Asian guy from WW2 at all? I think the implication is that Xavier 'fixed' Logan's brain and brought back all the old memories.

[plastroncafe]

I can only fanwank the reason, but...the dude is a savage killing machine with colossal anger management problems. Giving him everything back all at once would scramble his brain more than it already is.

Logan's a valuable asset, as well as a massive liability.

I just...I LOVE the aside mention in the movie that Xavier offed all the X-men by accident.

[Cure]

This movie was dope. I loved it.

[Andrew NDB]

I guess it's possible that in the post-DofP timeline, Wolverine never received the adamantium bullet to his head from Stryker to lose his memories. Though... there wouldn't be much reason for him to need any help from Xavier then.

[TigerClaw]

Saw it today and loved it, It was a nice send off for Wolverine.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

I guess it's possible that in the post-DofP timeline, Wolverine never received the adamantium bullet to his head from Stryker to lose his memories. Though... there wouldn't be much reason for him to need any help from Xavier then.

But wasn't he acting like a complete animal when the gang rescued him in Apocalypse? I feel like there's something in need of recovering there.
Man, I hate that movie, and it's absolutely worse than Origins. I'm just ignoring it, as well as DoFP's stupid-ass ending.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

But wasn't he acting like a complete animal when the gang rescued him in Apocalypse? I feel like there's something in need of recovering there.
Man, I hate that movie, and it's absolutely worse than Origins. I'm just ignoring it, as well as DoFP's stupid-ass ending.

I think Apocalypse has been the worst X-Men movie yet. At least the much-hated X3 had some great Wolverine stuff... like stabbity-stabbing Jean.

[Andrew NDB]

But wasn't he acting like a complete animal when the gang rescued him in Apocalypse? I feel like there's something in need of recovering there.
Man, I hate that movie, and it's absolutely worse than Origins. I'm just ignoring it, as well as DoFP's stupid-ass ending.

Wait... I think it makes sense. Jean Grey touches Wolverine and restores his mind in the 80s in Apocalypse in that one scene, right? That would mean that that version of Wolverine would know who he was, and when the "original" Wolverine's mind rejoined him in 2023, the original Wolverine would remember, too. Right?

Still wouldn't explain why NuWolverine would need Xavier or the X-Men if he already had all the answers.

[plastroncafe]

I think Apocalypse has been the worst X-Men movie yet. At least the much-hated X3 had some great Wolverine stuff... like stabbity-stabbing Jean.

Apocalypse gave us the superior Quicksilver scene, and the sadly edited out Kids at the Mall scene.

Actually, I liked a lot of the slice-of-life stuff in Apocalypse.

[Cure]

The only thing I'm wondering about is why weren't all the kids spanish speakers? But whatevs, I don't like poking holes.

[Andrew NDB]

The only thing I'm wondering about is why weren't all the kids spanish speakers?

Hmm... do we know they weren't?

Now going into the movie I was OK with there being adamantium on X23's claws... but the movie makes it a point to point out she has adamantium in her skeleton too. How exactly is that supposed to work with her growing?

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Wait... I think it makes sense. Jean Grey touches Wolverine and restores his mind in the 80s in Apocalypse in that one scene, right? That would mean that that version of Wolverine would know who he was, and when the "original" Wolverine's mind rejoined him in 2023, the original Wolverine would remember, too. Right?

But if his memory were properly restored by Jean at that point, shouldn't he have recognized her and Scott? Logan apparently has memories of X-Men 1 through DoFP, right, as per the ending of DoFP (which is itself confusing and illogical)? I think what Jean did was just calm him down or something... a sane person doesn't run into the cold woods buck naked.

[Cure]

Hmm... do we know they weren't?



That one kid with the electricity seemed like a pretty natural English speaker. He didn't struggle like Laura did.

[Andrew NDB]

But if his memory were properly restored by Jean at that point, shouldn't he have recognized her and Scott?

No. Future Logan's consciousness (and memories, I'd assume) returned with him to the new, better 2023. The Logan Jean restored in Apocalypse wouldn't retain any of that. He'd just have memories of losing control of his body back in the 70s and then waking up being pulled out of a lake.

Logan apparently has memories of X-Men 1 through DoFP, right, as per the ending of DoFP (which is itself confusing and illogical)?

The "real" Logan does, yeah. He remembers everything, all films. But the Young Logan whose body real Logan inhabited doesn't. Not until the "real" Logan re-manifests itself in him in 2023.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Wait wait wait. My understanding was that Logan retained all memories of X1, X2, X3, etc. all throughout the new timeline until the exact moment in time in the old timeline when Kitty sent him back. Then at that moment his memory "reset" to only what he knew in the old timeline for no other reason that the writers couldn't figure out a better way of surprising audiences with the happy ending.
I thought that was why he became a history teacher - because he paid really close attention to what was happening in the world since he was the only one who knew the signs of a Sentinel uprising and could help prevent "history" from repeating itself. I think I understand where you're coming from though - the old timeline memories weren't imprinted on new timeline Logan's mind automatically in 1973.

[Andrew NDB]

Wait wait wait. My understanding was that Logan retained all memories of X1, X2, X3, etc. all throughout the new timeline until the exact moment in time in the old timeline when Kitty sent him back. Then at that moment his memory "reset" to only what he knew in the old timeline for no other reason that the writers couldn't figure out a better way of surprising audiences with the happy ending.

That's not what I got out of it at all.

I thought that was why he became a history teacher - because he paid really close attention to what was happening in the world since he was the only one who knew the signs of a Sentinel uprising and could help prevent "history" from repeating itself.

No way. It was clearly a "secret" known only to Xavier and not even his alternate self. Otherwise, all of the X-Men would have been waiting with balloons and silly string for the day, hour, minute he would come back.

And the description in DofP that time travel, pebbles can change this or that, but the course of a river still basically runs the same. The idea being, most of what we saw happen in X1, X2, and X3 probably happened, but just differently. That couldn't happen if Wolverine was around at every instance to go, "Look, here's what happens in X1, X2, and X3... Magneto is gonna go after this senator, we gotta protect him, etc." which, among other things, would just be silly.

Wolverine became a history teacher because that Wolverine didn't spend 10 years fighting Sentinels. That Wolverine didn't even have to grieve Jean Grey.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

No way. It was clearly a "secret" known only to Xavier and not even his alternate self. Otherwise, all of the X-Men would have been waiting with balloons and silly string for the day, hour, minute he would come back.

Well yeah, that's obviously information Logan would care to keep to himself, if he even remembers the exact date he left the original timeline.

And the description in DofP that time travel, pebbles can change this or that, but the course of a river still basically runs the same. The idea being, most of what we saw happen in X1, X2, and X3 probably happened, but just differently. That couldn't happen if Wolverine was around at every instance to go, "Look, here's what happens in X1, X2, and X3... Magneto is gonna go after this senator, we gotta protect him, etc." which, among other things, would just be silly.

Hank suggested that's how time travel works, but Charles then refuted that, and the whole point of the movie was to refute that, sending the "people can change!" message. Furthermore there's a scene (maybe in the Rogue Cut only) where Sunspot and Blink and all those new mutants mention that it's possible that Logan's meddling will prevent any of them from being born. There's a reason why Logan made sure Prof. X knew who Storm, Jean, and Scott were when they were talking on that plane - it's because there's awareness that time isn't immutable.

On the other hand there was a line in "Logan" that threw me off a little, when Wolvie said to Charles something like, "The Statue of Liberty was a long time ago" - a reference to the very first X-movie from 2000. In that regard your understanding makes more sense.

[plastroncafe]

Now going into the movie I was OK with there being adamantium on X23's claws... but the movie makes it a point to point out she has adamantium in her skeleton too. How exactly is that supposed to work with her growing?

When does it make that point?

[Andrew NDB]

The way I figure...

* James "Logan" Howlett makes it to the 80s, then gets the adamantium bullet to the brain from Stryker. Memory is gone.
* Professor X restores bits of it here and there (explaining how he remembers Nagasaki).
* In 2023, he goes back in time to his body in the 70s. Does what he does, then leaves his body in a lake to return to Happy Times 2023.
* His younger self in the 70s wakes up, probably very confused, gets captured by Stryker. Stryker holds all the cards now, he doesn't need to get Wolverine to agree to help him this time around if he just wipes his memory somehow. So he does. Somehow. Probably not an adamantium bullet this time, though.
* In the 80s, the X-Men free Wolverine and Jean Grey restores some/all of his memories from his childhood to the present. This doesn't restore any of the original Wolverine's memories, just the ones Stryker suppressed.
* In Happy Times 2023, the new Wolverine's mind/memories get rejoined by the original's. Now the original Wolverine has all memories... from both timelines. Though it probably would take a little while for all of that to fully register, given his shock and surprise at all.

When does it make that point?

As I recall, there's a line from Wolverine about "we both have adamantium in our bodies" (which, could possibly mean just the claws that retract into the body, but not the way he said it), the fact that she gets shot all over, even her head, and suffers no broken or shattered bones... and that you can see adamantium all over her skeleton on the charts on the wall in the lab.

[plastroncafe]

The way I figure...
As I recall, there's a line from Wolverine about "we both have adamantium in our bodies" (which, could possibly mean just the claws that retract into the body, but not the way he said it), the fact that she gets shot all over, even her head, and suffers no broken or shattered bones... and that you can see adamantium all over her skeleton on the charts on the wall in the lab.

I totally missed that lab chart! All the more reason to do a close rewatch.
I think her healing factor could account for the rest of it.

I know in the comics only her claws are laced.

[Krutch]

My list...

Logan
X-Men Days of Future Past
X-Men
X2: X-Men United
X-Men: First Class
X3: The Last Stand
Deadpool
X-Men Apocalypse
The Wolverine
X-Men Origins: Wolverine

Kind of hilarious how far apart on the list Mangold's movies are but hey, Logan was freakin' excellent.

[AT-Man]

Hmm... do we know they weren't?

Now going into the movie I was OK with there being adamantium on X23's claws... but the movie makes it a point to point out she has adamantium in her skeleton too. How exactly is that supposed to work with her growing?

I, too, wish they had explained this somehow, but I'll just assume it's some kind organic adamantium in her body and it grows with her.

[plastroncafe]

I, too, wish they had explained this somehow, but I'll just assume it's some kind organic adamantium in her body and it grows with her.

Or that her body grows around it.

[Andrew NDB]

Also, I can't be the only one wondering... when the goons are chasing the fat kid through the woods... how is there a fat kid among them? How is that possible?

[plastroncafe]

Are you asking why do fat people exist?

[Andrew NDB]

Are you asking why do fat people exist?

In the context of kids who have lived their whole entire lives in a lab as experiments, probably getting piecemeal food at regulated intervals.

[plastroncafe]

In the context of kids who have lived their whole entire lives in a lab as experiments, probably getting piecemeal food at regulated intervals.

Fat is one way the body deals with famine.

[ranger_scout]

There really couldn't have been a better film for Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart to retire from playing these beloved characters.

I thought possibly losing Charles in 'The Last Stand' was difficult, but this even more tough. I knew that Logan had been alive for hundreds of years and he wanted to die, but I still shed plenty of tears when it finally happened. Even though these events still happened the film still had some great moments of humor too.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Also, I can't be the only one wondering... when the goons are chasing the fat kid through the woods... how is there a fat kid among them? How is that possible?

Maybe he's the Blob. :tlol:

Fat is one way the body deals with famine.

No, that kid looked like he was an avid Twinkie enthusiast.
What was the time frame from when they broke out of the lab to when Logan and Laura met? Weeks? Months? I guess if the latter then there's plenty of time to gorge yourself.

[plastroncafe]

This doesn't dispute the fact that some people are genetically predisposed to be fat.

[saintsaucey]

While the movie featured strong performances from Stewart (who deserves an oscar) and jackman the movie wasn't really that great story wise. It suffered from the same problem most marvel and x-men movies do

No substantsial villians with name recognition. Random mutants that really serve no purpose.

They missed an opporunity to introduce the next wave of mutantans from comic mythos that could potentially star in the new movies from the franchise. We could have had Dust, the stepford cuckoos, armor, instead we sorta got richtor who should have been much older by this time. And then a few other heroes with random easy to portray powers. The villains were a joke

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

While the movie featured strong performances from Stewart (who deserves an oscar) and jackman the movie wasn't really that great story wise. It suffered from the same problem most marvel and x-men movies do

No substantsial villians with name recognition. Random mutants that really serve no purpose.

They missed an opporunity to introduce the next wave of mutantans from comic mythos that could potentially star in the new movies from the franchise. We could have had Dust, the stepford cuckoos, armor, instead we sorta got richtor who should have been much older by this time. And then a few other heroes with random easy to portray powers. The villains were a joke

This movie wasn't about villains. I wanted Sabretooth, but after seeing the movie, I have to admit he would have taken away, not added.

It was great story-wise; it just wasn't the story you wanted to see. And I get that.