Your ideal Turtles Show..

[Vegita-San]

We like to do alot of wondering and complaining about things.. but..
If you where show runner, what would your ideal version of a ninja turtles show be?


For me, at this point, I'd probably only keep the basic elements. Shredder, Karai, April, Splinter, Hamato Yoshi and the turtles.

At least at the start.

I'd do something a little different with this series. Rather than start them off as teenagers, I'd start the show off with them as toddlers.

The first season would be their first sessions of ninja training as they learn the arts and have adventures along the way. maybe I'd throw in a joke or two of them saving april and casey from the shadows, without introducing themselves....but only once.

The basic Mirage Origin would be in tact. Mostly. Only in this case, Saki, pre Shredder, would know who Splinter is. He'd know he's in NYC...he'd know he was yoshi, and he's trying to destroy him so as to erase the last bit of yoshi from the earth.

In this case, I'd leave Tang Shen out of this part of the origin. I would bring Back Oruko Nagi. I would make Nagi and Yoshi friends. some horrible incident happens where Nagi dies...maybe defending against some robbers or something. Saki would see this, think yoshi did it, and that starts the feud. he barely escapes...heads to NYC.

Along the way, Yoshi saves one of the utroms from disaster. discovers their secret, and goes to work for them. Saki, now in charge of the foot, that yoshi and nagi where a part of, finds the utrom base, and causes the accident that changes him to splinter..

yoshi, half deformed, escaped into the sewers to hide from the public,and along the way, the accident that sends the turtles into the sewers happens. some bits of the mutagen still on splinter affects them, and boom. story begins.

somewhere alongthe way, Shredder hears stories of a mutant ratroaming the streets at night, and he knows splinter is still alive. so, the hunt begins, and so does the ninja training.

The second season would see a jump to their teenage years andthe main series begins...

I'd keep mutants to a minimum in this series....but when one doesshow up, it's a threat worth stickingaround for a full season.

the tone would be a mix of 4 kids seriousness interms of action, some humor, but just enough to make them cute and relatable... with a slightly grittier first movie look.

I'd probably end the series with a Future Turtles arc. The Turtles are now about 100 years old, but still rather nimble for their age.Splinter is long dead,aliens walk the earth, and they can generally live in peace..until one final threat arrives.


I'd probably keep the series fully CG...unless the animation could be feature quality in 2D every episode.

[snake]

IDW with age progression. Or a straight up mirage adaptation.

[MikeandRaph87]

A solid mix of the best elements of seasons 7 and 8 of the 1987 cartoon with a stronger continuity and emphasis on characterization.

[Powder]

I'd like to see Ciro do one entirely on his own, no influence from Playmates, Viacom, his creative peers, just Ciro. Something 2D that brings his concept art to life while retaining the original style. Having a fairly good idea about his aesthetic, I think it'd be insanely dope by itself. With all the horror, punk rock, & vinyl kaiju stuff at full force, no doubt a killer cartoon.

Similarly, I wanna see Andy Suriano's vision for the TMNT. He did all that character concept art that got rejected. It's weird as hell & could make for a very interesting change of pace. Examples:


http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/0/0c/Reject_art.png/revision/latest?cb=20140427143728

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/2/2c/Reject_robo_mutant.png/revision/latest?cb=20140427144439

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/4/49/Rejected_mutant_0.png/revision/latest?cb=20140427144451

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/6/62/Rejected_mutant.png/revision/latest?cb=20140427143411

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/0/04/Another_reject.png/revision/latest?cb=20140427143746


IDW with age progression. Or a straight up mirage adaptation.

I'd also accept either of these. An anime would be great, too, be it a comedic slice of life series, or something more serious/action oriented.

[MikeandRaph87]

I would like a art style like this. It has the Archie Comics, 1987 cartoon, and Mirage comics all wrapped up together nicely with the creators influence as well.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-s_Va-Sc9gNc/Tmj92X4tgiI/AAAAAAAAGtg/_B2AmOrf5Y4/s1600/CC03-01.jpg

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

An anime-like adaptation for netflix (like what they are doing with voltron), straight-up adapting IDW. Exchange the 'new characters for more familiar ones (Scratch in place of old hob, Ninjara in place of Alopex, armaggon in place of bludgeon, wingnut in place of pigeon pete, A female Alfaqua in place of koya, and a female Jagwar in place of sally pride, Pimiko in place of Jennika, etc.) and you got a deal! ^^

[snake]

I'd like to see Ciro do one entirely on his own, no influence from Playmates, Viacom, his creative peers, just Ciro. Something 2D that brings his concept art to life while retaining the original style. Having a fairly good idea about his aesthetic, I think it'd be insanely dope by itself. With all the horror, punk rock, & vinyl kaiju stuff at full force, no doubt a killer cartoon.

Similarly, I wanna see Andy Suriano's vision for the TMNT. He did all that character concept art that got rejected. It's weird as hell & could make for a very interesting change of pace. Examples:


http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/0/0c/Reject_art.png/revision/latest?cb=20140427143728

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/2/2c/Reject_robo_mutant.png/revision/latest?cb=20140427144439

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/4/49/Rejected_mutant_0.png/revision/latest?cb=20140427144451

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/6/62/Rejected_mutant.png/revision/latest?cb=20140427143411

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/0/04/Another_reject.png/revision/latest?cb=20140427143746




I'd also accept either of these. An anime would be great, too, be it a comedic slice of life series, or something more serious/action oriented.

Aaagh I totally forgot about all that cool concept art. Weird, weird stuff. I'd love to see a downright horror TMNT incarnation as long as the TMNT/Splinter look normal.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Id agree with the IDW adaptation, but keep the IDW original characters instead of replacing them with older ones. I might add a few new ones from Nick later on, mainly Tiger Claw, Murikami and human Xever, and a redesigned Spiderbytes and Snakeweed. I might use Shinigami as well, most likely as a member of the Pantheon like Kitsune and Rat King. The Nick mutants (and a couple of older ones like Mona Lisa and Venus) would be experiments from Baxter's lab.

[Utrommaniac]

This is my personal concept that I've been wanting to write for a while. There's a lot more details, but they wouldn't really fit into the intro, which I've laid out here.

The Utroms have come to Earth as a hideaway from the Triceraton Empire. There, they are working on a special grade of healing Ooze. They have made the Foot Clan their guardians, having favoritism of Japanese humans after centuries-long relationships with them. Hamato Yoshi and Oroku Saki are the top contenders for leadership. Unfortunately, a quarantine is broken, and they learn quickly that the Ooze that heals the inhabitants of Utrominon mutates the inhabitants of Earth.

While visiting the New York TCRI branch, Yoshi fell in love with a researcher named Tang Shen, and came to adapt to a “modern” lifestyle in his devotion to her. They soon married and had a daughter. This enraged Saki, a more traditional man, who believed a Japanese empire could exist again. A scuffle of tradition and adaptation between Yoshi and Saki started a fire in one of the labs. Yoshi managed to rescue some of the lab turtles before collapsing in the smoke, where he came in contact with the Ooze and an escaped rat - which did not survive to mutation. Yoshi noticed the mutations happening, and in a burst of desperation and raw instinct, dove into the sewer system below the lab. He did not know what became of his family or Saki, and was unable to find out for himself. Not while he was a mutant and taking care of four new children.

Fifteen years later, there is a new TCRI building in place. Saki has redeemed himself for his behavior in the lab and has been the leader of the Foot Clan for ten years. The Utroms are still investigating the damage done - and are seeking out the last mutants that they have been unable to track. They are unsure of which ones.
General Krang, son of the Emperor Quanin and Empress Temre, believes the most responsible course of action is to destroy any mutants they find. However, he has been put at bay by his chief scientist Ma’riell, who is searching for rehabilitation and reversal - and proof that they can thrive when given more appropriate homes. A difficult ideal to battle, given how her adoptive older sister Xeinos took in a mutant alligator that lives freely among them. Colonel Ch'rell is Krang's partner in many things, and is leaning more toward Krang's plan for mutants - though he wants a way to do it without stepping on his sister's tentacles.

Yoshi, meanwhile, has managed to find a home in an abandoned speakeasy in the sewer, and made it livable. He had managed to scavenge companionship in the Jones family, who run a restaurant above their home, and were the only human companions the turtles knew for most of their lives. While Yoshi taught the turtles his Japanese values and various forms of martial arts - because it was all he could give them - the Jones became the caters for most of the turtles casual hobbies.

Mr. Jones (not Hun) taught Michelangelo to cook, and Donatello how to work basic machinery - until he started thirsting for more complicated tasks, which was finally sated by online research and second-hand books given as gifts. Michelangelo is teaching himself ukulele, and is remarkably not awful. He likes pizza because it's a fast meal, but he loves to cook just about anything.
Mrs. Jones, meanwhile, was surprised at first to teach the tough and stubborn Raphael various handicraft, until she determined that it made sense. At the same time, Raphael was helping Casey in vigilantism against mobsters and loan sharks - which resulted in multiple failures early on. She also teaches Michelangelo to bake. Leonardo preferred his father’s company, though was happy to learn origami from Angel Jones - a skill that his father was only mediocre in. At first, it seemed origami wouldn’t benefit the family until he joined Donatello in making lamps for the lair. Yoshi is affectionately called “Splinter” as a codename - because he looks like one of the rats Mr. Jones had as a child.

Krang hires the enigmatic Baxter Stockman to help track down mutants, wanting to recalibrate his MOUSERS to track mutants instead of rodents. To their surprise, it works, as the MOUSERS find the turtles lair and ransack it. Splinter is injured in the crossfire, and after he disappears, is rescued by the Utroms seeking to rehabilitate mutants, hoping to protect him from Krang - and then they realize his true identity as the long-missing Hamato Yoshi. While on their way to rescue him, Casey accidentally gets his college study aid April O’Neil involved. When they find the TCRI building, they recognize the symbol from the MOUSERS and develop their plan to get in and find where Splinter has gone.

TL;DR: Ooze was an Utrom war/medical operation that mutates instead of heals on Earth. The turtles and Splinter call it Mutagen because they don't know any better.
No Tang Shen romance fight. Rather, a battle of longing for the past and moving forward
April is not the first humans the turtles meet; it’s Casey and his family
Krang and Shredder are the dark side of moral grays, rather than straight up evil (though Shredder would say light side, since white tones are ‘bad’ in his culture)
A minor morality battle among the Utroms to determine what to do with mutants
Splinter is a code name rather than an entirely new identity.

This is the most I can piece together.

I would have three mutant groups outside from the turtles.

The Mighty Mutanimals, consisting of Slash, Leatherhead, Pigeon Pete, Scumbag, Mondo Gecko, and two cats: Old Hob and Hamato Miwa, both of whom were mutated together in the TCRI fire. Hamato Shen is the honorary human, as Miwa's mother, and gives lodging to them in Northhampton, coincidentally not far from where the turtles would have to flee to eventually, but they never manage to cross paths.

The Mutant Misfits: the mutants that don't fit in with the others because they have neither human nor animal traits. Snakeweed, Mutagen Man/Seymour Gutz, Muckman, and Joe Eyeball

"The Swampers" (can never decide on their name). Leatherhead joins this group in as an farther-away-from-home family order to acclimate to being the Earthling that he is rather than cling to his alien foster family. The Punk Frogs are part of the group, joined by SpiderBites, maybe Scumbag, Ace Duck, a raccoon, and a possum and her eight children.

[PApagreg]

Id agree with the IDW adaptation, but keep the IDW original characters instead of replacing them with older ones. I might add a few new ones from Nick later on, mainly Tiger Claw, Murikami and human Xever, and a redesigned Spiderbytes and Snakeweed. I might use Shinigami as well, most likely as a member of the Pantheon like Kitsune and Rat King. The Nick mutants (and a couple of older ones like Mona Lisa and Venus) would be experiments from Baxter's lab.

Yeah I second this, especially human Xever

[Jephael]

After watching some clips from the BBC version of I Love 1988, I'd love to do a live action/CGI/rotoscope sort of revamp with most of the same voice cast (Barry Gordon, Cam Clarke, Townsend Coleman, Rob Paulsen, Pat Fraley, Peter Renaday and Jim Cummings) all reprising their non-human roles. There would be no motion capture crap like in the Michael Bay films, except for the fight scenes. Whatever it takes to get her, I really want Anna Kendrick as April O' Neil! Michael J. Fox would make a great Professor Honeycutt/Fugitoid and I would love to see Rose McGowan as Irma! I'd kinda like Will Arnett to continue portraying Vernon Fenwick, but a little less hammy like he was in the Michael Bay films.

I'd borrow a lot of storyarcs from the Archie comics, so we'd see the original 7 Mutanimals exactly as they were done in the 90s. Greg Cipes could portray Mondo Gecko both before and after the mutation of his character, and just to stick to tradition Ashley Johnson could be Candy Fine. If it ever comes to the point I'd do the Terracide storyarc, I would only kill 3 of the Mutanimals, not the entire group.

[plastroncafe]

I'd love to see the original Mirage books animated. Of course my ideal turtle show would be mostly Mirage canon but with an actual show Bible, air tight continuity, and a solid story arc.

[TurtleGuy]

I had this idea for a TMNT show years ago though some things have been changed to integrate some ideas from Nick.

The origin was a combination of Mirage/90 movie and the Fred Wolf cartoon. The romance rivalry between Saki and Yoshi happens, but instead of killing Tang Shen, Saki frames him for the death of the master of the foot. Yoshi flees to America while Saki married Tang Shen, raises Yoshi's daughter Miwa and has a second daughter named Karai(Miwa and Karai are separate characters here). Yoshi spends his life in the sewers living with the rats. Many years later, a blind man attempts to cross the street but is pushed out of the way of a speeding truck. A boy loses his pet turtles into the sewers where a canister labelled TCRI falls in. The canister and the turtles land on Yoshi, mutating them into 4 turtles and a rat.

Meanwhile in Japan, Shredder takes control of the Foot and uses it to build a criminal empire, unknown to his family who believe that he is just an honest business man. Miwa and Karai become old enough to join the foot. Karai becomes Shredder's second-in-command but Miwa becomes disgusted by what the Foot has become. She leaves the Foot, and goes under the alias "Lotus Blossom" as a vigilante for hire.

More time passes and single mother journalist April O'neil does a report on crime and ninjas in New York and is almost killed by the Purple Dragons(who Bebop and Rocksteady are a part of) but is saved by the Turtles.

A few tidbits about certain characters and whatnot:

- Season 1 would be more Mirage based with the turtles' war with the Foot, the introduction of Casey Jones, the Northhampton farm, etc. ending in Shredder's "death". Season 2 would introduce Krang who resurrects/heals Shredder with a type of worms from Dimension X. This season would introduce the Technodrome, Bebop & Rocksteady, the mutants, the Utroms, and Dimension X.

- The Utroms are from space and not Dimension X, but they do have access to it.

- Krang was an Utrom scientist and inventor of the mutagen, but was banished to a desolate planet in Dimension X for attempting to overthrow the council with rock soldiers.

- April has a daughter who is based on Nick April(minus the Kraang powers.) named May who has an internship in Stocktronics. She has no friends and is kind of lonely since her mother is always working to get that "big story" until she meets the turtles.

- Baxter Stockman doesn't become a fly, but his assistant, Dr. Barney Chaplin(who is visually based on white Stockman), does. And it's Stockman's fault it happens, too! Chaplin becomes obsessed with getting revenge against Stockman and anyone who gets in his way.

- Bebop and Rocksteady are pretty dumb, but dangerous. They think they can solve every problem with violence.

- The tone would be similar to the 2k3 cartoon except a little bit lighter.

- Lotus Blossom eventually meets her father(but not before almost killing them due to being hired by someone who tricks her into thinking the turtles are a menace.) and learns the truth about the Foot Clan. She ends up having a rivalry with her half-sister.

- Ch'rell may or may not be in the continuity and he may or may not be Krang's brother.

- There will be story arcs and continuity.

[Utrommaniac]

I like that take on the Tang Shen issue :D .

Though, it did make me remember that I had forgotten Karai in my take. But she's not really important in the first part. Shredder doesn't have children; Karai is similar to how she is in Mirage. Just Shredder's right hand with no strings attached.
Or, take two, Karai is his wife, and their daughter is Himiko.

Ch'rell has a daughter named Aska though, and she's one of the Foot Assassins that the turtles called "Foot Bots", not knowing that there were Utroms inside them.
Because Utrom biology is a big weird whirlwind of various ranges of flexibility between individuals, Krang is her second parent. I would like to go into detail on that, but I'm not sure how or where.

[Andrew NDB]

I'd love to see the original Mirage books animated. Of course my ideal turtle show would be mostly Mirage canon but with an actual show Bible, air tight continuity, and a solid story arc.

This.

Though it can be reimagined to suit a (ORIGINAL) cohesive vision. Just no importing of the children's spinoff stuff for the sake of the children's spinoff stuff.

[sdp]

We've had this thread before but my ideal turtles show would be one based on the Playmates artwork/bios of the characters, that's what I imagined when I played with my TMNT figures.

[Commenter 42]

Animate Mirage, try not to deviate, don't water it down.

I'd rather they use real teens, rather than adults as teens. Kids being violent is the missing component. It's a small nuance, but one that matters, at least to me.

[Prowler]

I like characters from all universes and my favourite incarnation of certain characters sometimes depends on my mood, so I can't say there's a single "ideal turtle show" of mine. I'd say that if the Fred Wolf series was all like it was in season 1 and 7 it would have been pretty damn good. But I also liked 4Kids series a lot.

I would settle for a FW cartoon with more edge to it. But seeing the first Mirage volume animated would be pretty sweet as well. But since American studios wont' give us that, I think we should let the Japanese handle that someday, since they're more versatile when it comes to animation. It's treated like an actual medium there and there's anime for all sorts of demographics. Unlike in the USA where you either make kids cartoons or comedies like South Park and Family Guy.

[Fishface]

I
Karai becomes Shredder's second-in-command but Miwa becomes disgusted by what the Foot has become.

As much as I love Karai, especially in the 2012 series, I don't think she should be Shredder's right hand every series. I reckon that should go to someone like Tatsu, Hun or Tiger Claw, not Karai. Karai should just be a high ranking member of the Foot, not Shredder's right hand IMO.

[plastroncafe]

This.

Though it can be reimagined to suit a (ORIGINAL) cohesive vision. Just no importing of the children's spinoff stuff for the sake of the children's spinoff stuff.

Oh yeah, no way. There'd be no budging on that in my version.
Just a smoothing out of narrative so it doesn't come across as nearly as "U.S.S. MakeS#itUp."

[oldmanwinters]

- April has a daughter who is based on Nick April(minus the Kraang powers.) named May who has an internship in Stocktronics. She has no friends and is kind of lonely since her mother is always working to get that "big story" until she meets the turtles.

I really like that twist! More than likely, I expect we'll see single-parent April in a future incarnation of franchise.

[BH Daimaouji]

I don't really understand the topic but:

A TMNT 1987 remake with emotional moments (no, not drama, hugging each other and stuff like that)

[pferreira]

A solid mix of the best elements of seasons 7 and 8 of the 1987 cartoon with a stronger continuity and emphasis on characterization.I would say just reboot the Fred Wolf series but keep it in the style you suggested.

[ninja-zero]

Seeing the 2003 of TMNT, I'd like an anime TMNT....

- Oroku Saki as a disciple of Kraang the original Shredder.

- Miwa as Alopex

- Shredder's mutant minions comprised of a spider, a skunk, a chameleon & a hyena named Rahzar as his mutant elite guard trained in the ways of the Foot. Later on Bebop & Rocksteady appear.

- Splinter as Yoshi's pet.

[Vegita-San]

The Mighty Mutanimals, consisting of Slash, Leatherhead, Pigeon Pete, Scumbag, Mondo Gecko, and two cats: Old Hob and Hamato Miwa, both of whom were mutated together in the TCRI fire. Hamato Shen is the honorary human, as Miwa's mother, and gives lodging to them in Northhampton, coincidentally not far from where the turtles would have to flee to eventually, but they never manage to cross paths.

The Mutant Misfits: the mutants that don't fit in with the others because they have neither human nor animal traits. Snakeweed, Mutagen Man/Seymour Gutz, Muckman, and Joe Eyeball

"The Swampers" (can never decide on their name). Leatherhead joins this group in as an farther-away-from-home family order to acclimate to being the Earthling that he is rather than cling to his alien foster family. The Punk Frogs are part of the group, joined by SpiderBites, maybe Scumbag, Ace Duck, a raccoon, and a possum and her eight children.

I like the idea of different mutant groups with different agendas.


One thing that I think was a misued opportunity was Titanus and his group. would have been better villains than dregg.

[Zak The Neutrino]

Either IDW or Mirage as an animated series.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

I would say just reboot the Fred Wolf series but keep it in the style you suggested.

2012 is as close to that it can bee.

[myconius]

Either IDW or Mirage as an animated series.

i still REALLY want both of these!!!

i don't see it ever happening, but it'd still be pretty awesome!

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

i still REALLY want both of these!!!

i don't see it ever happening, but it'd still be pretty awesome!

Or maybe Archie?

[Jephael]

Or maybe Archie?

See my idea on the first page, dude.

[Ninjinister]

The Turtles are no longer taught by a mutant rat named Splinter, but instead a mutant gorilla.



Called Harambe.

[ToTheNines]

Hilarious. So edgy and topical.

[Powder]

The Turtles are no longer taught by a mutant rat named Splinter, but instead a mutant gorilla.



Called Harambe.

Aaaaaand there goes my respect for you.

[Ninjinister]

Hilarious. So edgy and topical.

Harambe is all of us, man.

Nobody knew who he was until someone thought he was doing the wrong thing. And then they killed him.


Aaaaaand there goes my respect for you.

Well good. I wasn't aware anyone still held onto any of that.

[shredder orokusaki]

A show where i will kill the turtles in first epidoses and then it will be about me fighting other bad guys and conquering the world! I will have mutant henchmen like Tiger Claw Rocksteady and Bebop. Krang will be a utrom that came to earth after his planet got destroyed and now he allies with me o take over the world! No turtles no Splinter no April and Casey or Karai! Just me and my foot ninja army! A series about the Foot Clan! That will be the best show!

[Autbot_Benz]

A show where i will kill the turtles in first epidoses and then it will be about me fighting other bad guys and conquering the world! I will have mutant henchmen like Tiger Claw Rocksteady and Bebop. Krang will be a utrom that came to earth after his planet got destroyed and now he allies with me o take over the world! No turtles no Splinter no April and Casey or Karai! Just me and my foot ninja army! A series about the Foot Clan! That will be the best show!

http://i.imgur.com/DxSch7o.jpg

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

For me it would be an animated mixture of Mirage and Archie.

It would be mostly based on Mirage, but with some of the more memorable Archie elements (Turnstone saga, Stump Wrestling, Future Shark Trilogy, Null, etc.) that always deserved to be animated, shoehorned into the storyline as well.

The animation would be 2D with well used cel-shaded 3D elements blended in. The art style would be similar to 4Kids, but with more shading and detail.

[2K3]

My Ideal TMNT show would have:

The maturity of Mirage and IDW Comics
The story arc structure of the 2K3 series


The number "4" would play a major occurrence, not just as the number of Turtles, but:

The main antagonists (Shredder, Krang, Bishop and Null)
The Mutant Foot Henchmen (Bebop, Rocksteady, Koya and Bludgeon)
The Turtles main allies (April, Casey, Angel/ Nobody and Vernon)
The main alien nations of Dimension X (The Utroms, Neutrinos, Triceratons and Malignoids)


Major arcs would include (though tweaked a bit);

Mirage's "Turtles in Space", "Northampton", "Return to New York" and "City at War"
2K3's "Space Invaders/ World's Collide", "Mutant Outbreak"
Adventures "Terracide" and "The Future Shark Trilogy"


Here's how my origin goes (Note, some of this backstory would be revealed later as the series progressed):

Decades ago….
Dimension X is crumbling in a civil war between 4 major factions; the Utrom Empire, the Neutrino Federation, the Triceraton Republic, and the Malignoid Hive-Mind. This war has resulted in the near-extinction of the Malignoids and their colonies; the destruction of the Utrom Home-World (due to the late Utrom King Quanin sucking the “life ooze” out of the planet’s core) and certain alien tribes (such as the Stone Soliders of Hirobyl) becoming servants or slaves to these powerful dictators.
All that changed when a Neutrino Scientist Prof. Honeycutt accidently created a Trans-dimensional portal (an accident that made him into the Fugitoid). He was captured by the new Utrom ruler Krang, and locked in his citadel. Krang decided he was done with Dimension X, and by using the portal he’d find new worlds to conqueror. Finding himself in 1930s New York, and sets to work establishing a long game which result in a new “Utromion” on Earth.
15 Years ago…
Led by the Ancient One, a secret ninja clan known only as the Foot Clan has travelled over to New York to visit its local branch. Among them are Hamato Yoshi and Oroku Saki, both highly regarded to be the next in line as chunin of the clan. While at New York dojo, Yoshi falls in love with Tang Shen, and decides to stay in New York (where he and Shen ending up buying a rat called Splinter in the Chinatown district).
Due Yoshi cutting ties with the Japan branch, the role of chunin is handed over to a frustrated Saki, who doesn’t feel like he’s earned the title. To make matters worse, he learns through the Foot Mystic Kitsune that his father Oroku Nagi was killed years ago by the Ancient One (over some unknown dispute). So during the wedding ceremony between Yoshi and Shen, Saki and several loyal followers attack the dojo, killing the Ancient One and making his claim as leader of the entire Foot Clan. This results in a battle between Yoshi and Saki, in which Tang Shen is killed in the scuffle, Saki receives a facial scar and Yoshi is mortally wounded. Escaping from his pursuers and carrying nothing but Splinter in his cage, Yoshi limps towards the nearest hospital. However, he collapses in the middle of a road and causes a TCRI van to serve off the road (causing several canisters to spill out onto the street). Splinter’s cage breaks and a young boy’s pet turtles are lost in the chaos; it’s a miracle no-one was hurt. When the police and ambulance service arrive, it’s too late to save Yoshi, who dies from his wounds. Splinter ends up in the sewers, where he finds the 4 lost turtles playing in a pool of mutagen, oozing from a mysterious canister.


From here, the normal history follows (Splinter finds Turtles, mutates with them, teaches them ninjitsu and names them after Tang Shen’s love of Renaissance Art) and Splinter tries to keep the Turtles and himself save… far from the outside world…


So... what do you all think?

[ZariusTwo]

Mirage as an animated series.

You got that almost 20 years ago.

[neatoman]

You got that almost 20 years ago.

You mean the 4Kids show? Well, it gets about as close as you can realistically get for a children's show, but it still took some pretty big liberties when you get right down to it.

If you want to get even closer, while still being a kids' show, you'd have to do the following things different from the 4Kids show:


No characters or stories that were not in Mirage.
No added twists or alternative interpetations, such as an Utrom Shredder or Karai as his daughter
Adapt the stories in the original order or at least don't forge any new connections


Obviously the network wouldn't really allow the violence and would still insist on including toys, but it's still technically possible to produce a kids' show closer to the Mirage comics than what 4Kids did.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

2K3, what's "life ooze"?

[neatoman]

2K3, what's "life ooze"?

It's the mutagen in it's most basic from according to the IDW series. Instead of turning animals into humanoids, it restores youth and regrows limbs.

[Utrommaniac]

Mutagen is just modified "Ooze", I'm assuming based on the results of Splinter's experimentation. But that is not what it is naturally for.

I question why the Utroms bother with artificial limb replacement and allowing the growth of scar tissue, then I realized they probably started cutting back when they realized they were running out.

[Technogeek29]

I'll need to think more on this into what I would like but I do know I would like for the show to have some slice of life episodes here and there. Sometimes it could just be an episode of the Turtles camping a few dramatic moments here and there but overall a fun episode.

Or flip side an episode that is like Tales of Ba Sing Se from Avatar a collection of short stories that tie together loosely but never intersect. Mirage wasn't all doom and gloom after all.:D

[Cryomancer]

Direct Mirage or IDW would be pretty great, sure.

Alternatively I'd totally watch something kind of "late mirage" with an emphasis on the family / friends of the family elements. Shadow and whatnot. Focus on the relationships and have them already well established, might be cool? Probably a challenge to write that way though.

Another concept I'd like to see sometime is something that REALLY gets into the whole multiverse concept at length. Get into the "good shredders and evil splinters" and more obscure characters realizing they have no alternate universe selves.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

It's the mutagen in it's most basic from according to the IDW series. Instead of turning animals into humanoids, it restores youth and regrows limbs.

So while there's lava floating around at the Earth's core, in DW mutagen floats around at the core of Hirobyl (or in your propose)?

[neatoman]

So while there's lava floating around at the Earth's core, in DW mutagen floats around at the core of Hirobyl (or in your propose)?

Planet Utrominon, and it's not really known where on the planet you can find it, just that it's important for it's eco system.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Planet Utrominon, and it's not really known where on the planet you can find it, just that it's important for it's eco system.

OK. So while the Earth lakes, rivers, seas and oceans are full with water those on Utrominon are full with mutagen.

[Technogeek29]

You got that almost 20 years ago.

you mean this?
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http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-O7u0tACwJ1c/Tu77zLqUS9I/AAAAAAAAAG4/wPfSYGKjZFM/s1600/4089487019_7a66360969_o.jpg

http://www.turtlescomics.narod.ru/cartoon/mikeface.jpg

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[ssjup81]

I never really thought about it. I guess my ideal show would honor or pay homage to previous incarnations (Easter eggs) with a balance of seriousness and lightheartedness that's not afraid to permanently kill out characters if helps with character development. Anyway, in regards to the seriousness thing, for me, the fact that the 2k3 series seemed to take itself so seriously, initially turned me away from it. Someday I'll watch that series in full.

[Wesley]

I never really thought about it. I guess my ideal show would honor or pay homage to previous incarnations (Easter eggs) with a balance of seriousness and lightheartedness that's not afraid to permanently kill out characters if helps with character development. Anyway, in regards to the seriousness thing, for me, the fact that the 2k3 series seemed to take itself so seriously, initially turned me away from it. Someday I'll watch that series in full.

I didn't like the 2003 series either at first, but it grew on me after watching a few later episodes. It could've had more comic relief, particularly in the early seasons.

[cloud]

I didn't like the 2003 series either at first, but it grew on me after watching a few later episodes. It could've had more comic relief, particularly in the early seasons.

I think the 2k3 show had the right amount of balance for serious tone and humor. There's a few reference's to pop culture and my favorite thing is proper homage to Bruce Lee and not a terribly poor imitation like the Nick toon's attempt.

[LuckyLadybug]

I'm writing my ideal Turtles show as a series of fanfiction stories. Basically, it's the 87 series picked up right before the season 7 finale, and instead of the Technodrome ending up in Dimension X without anyone aboard or the Red Sky episodes, we get Baxter Stockman finally becoming human again, the Turtles and Splinter trying to help him when he ends up very delirious and ill from the stress of the cross-fusion being forcefully ended, and Barney Stockman working for Shredder. It delves into the Stockman brothers' backstories and personalities and deals with Baxter trying to get used to being human again and still dealing with the aftereffects of being part-fly for so long. The first story ends with him finally allying with the Turtles after being very reluctant to do so, and succeeding stories continue the Turtles' fight against Shredder and Krang and Baxter's attempts to reintegrate into society. He and Barney on opposites sides is heavily addressed too. Barney is reluctant to leave Shredder, but he has learned the full truth of Baxter's transformation from what's left of the alien computer and he is growing increasingly disturbed. Story/episode tones can range from season 3-ish silliness to season 7 dramedy. Vernon also gets a chance here and there for character development.

[pferreira]

I didn't like the 2003 series either at first, but it grew on me after watching a few later episodes. It could've had more comic relief, particularly in the early seasons.The problem is finding that balance. The 2003 series was totally serious but unfortunately by design that makes it harder to veer into comedy without it feeling forced. From what I've seen of the 2003 series I never found the comedy that funny because it felt forced. The series was always better at what it did best which was being serious. A really good Turtles show can do both sometimes in the same episode.

[snake]

2k3 has quite a few turnoffs. For me it's the animation style and the godawful orange/brown color pallete they used so often. I love the show, don't get me wrong, but I can see why people would be put off from it.

[Jephael]

I'm in the midst of writing a 3 season treatment that I hope to pitch to Viacom and Netflix down the road. Anybody who'd like to see it is more than welcome to PM me their e-mail address.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

my ideal shows are Nick, 2k3 and 87, I love them all! The only one's I'm not a fan of are possibly Fast Forward and Back to the Sewers seasons and of course, the Next Mutation.

[ToTheNines]

I'm in the midst of writing a 3 season treatment that I hope to pitch to Viacom and Netflix down the road. Anybody who'd like to see it is more than welcome to PM me their e-mail address.

You've lost your mind Jeffrey.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm in the midst of writing a 3 season treatment that I hope to pitch to Viacom and Netflix down the road. Anybody who'd like to see it is more than welcome to PM me their e-mail address.

As someone who has done the research and work to pitch original novels to publishers, let me give you some free advice:

#1. Big names like Viacom and Netflix don't take unsolicited materials.
#2. Agents don't sign on unless you're a pretty sure bet.
#3. Even if Viacom did take unsolicited materials, they're not going to bring in a novice outsider to tell them what to do next with their property.
#4. Even if Netflix did take unsolicited materials, they're not going to be interested in something that require licensing and copyrights. Original or nothing.

[Jephael]

You've lost your mind Jeffrey.

Hey atleast I'm putting myself out there. It's a shot in the dark, but might as well give it a try.

As someone who has done the research and work to pitch original novels to publishers, let me give you some free advice:

#1. Big names like Viacom and Netflix don't take unsolicited materials.
#2. Agents don't sign on unless you're a pretty sure bet.
#3. Even if Viacom did take unsolicited materials, they're not going to bring in a novice outsider to tell them what to do next with their property.
#4. Even if Netflix did take unsolicited materials, they're not going to be interested in something that require licensing and copyrights. Original or nothing.

Thanks for the heads up. I am well aware of these things. Heck, I just spent a couple hours last night doing research on agencies for TV writers and from what I've learned it's all about networking and making the right connections with people. My buddy Patrick and I have our own original show and book/film ideas to pitch, so even if the TMNT thing never comes to be I got my own stuff to fall back on.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

The problem is finding that balance. The 2003 series was totally serious but unfortunately by design that makes it harder to veer into comedy without it feeling forced. From what I've seen of the 2003 series I never found the comedy that funny because it felt forced. The series was always better at what it did best which was being serious. A really good Turtles show can do both sometimes in the same episode.

Archie also did that well. But I don't recall much of the humor right now (still have the comics), just Michaelangelo joking about those with "Smells Like Teen Spirit" when Kathmandu talks about the Nirvana concept of Buddhism.

[GoldMutant]

I know it's been a long while, but the discussion in the following thread below has made me want to revive the topic at hand, at least the last two pages:

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=58301

I'm going to quote myself on the thread, and expand upon my thoughts:

You know, I'd really like an animated/live-action series that can do two things:

First, embrace a down-to-Earth tone akin to Mirage. Go into the wackier adventures (ex: time travel) minimally to none at all. Keep it grounded, but also incorporate more to the sci-fi genre with the Utrom. Krang/Ch'rell also, if you would want to use either as a villain.

Second, this is more of my own greed, but do story telling like Spectacular Spider-Man. Each episode could contribute to their own overarching narrative. For example, season 1 could contend with the criminal activity that the Turtles end up getting caught in. This could build towards the first appearance of the Foot Clan. Of course, that's just an example as it all depends on what the creative team is aiming for.

Honestly, you don't need the likes of Bebop, Rocksteady, Krang (depending on the person), Slash, or any mutant that debuted in Fred Wolf. It might lead towards an audience, but you don't need them to tell great stories.

Create new characters as we've seen from different incarnations. Null, Bishop, Bonesteel, Baxter, Hun, Karai (at first), the works can work as villains along with the Foot. You can also make new villains we've never seen; if you must use mutants, Hob, Leatherhead, maybe Slash if handled properly, or a new character could work.

There's plenty of material. If only it could be taken advantage of. :ohwell:

Now that I got that out of the way, here's how I'd book a TMNT series.

First up, as mentioned, I'd have the series be more grounded akin to Mirage and recent shows such as Daredevil. However, I'd also incorporate elements of sci-fi involving the Utroms and a little bit of fantasy. I'll get into the latter later, but I'd like for TMNT to have a little for everyone from action to drama and so on. Additionally, have the seasons build an overarching narrative(s) depending on what's being tackled. I figure at least five seasons between 20 to 26 episodes a season should be a good balance of episodes.

Secondly, the characters to use. Personally speaking, I have no problem with mutants, they're needed to sell toys and may have a greater purchase rate than a human figure. However, I wouldn't use too many as to keep the mutant amount relatively small.

Mutants I'd personally use aside from Leatherhead are Old Hob, Rat King, and possibly Groundchuck and Dirtbag (deserve some limelight). Additionally, I would use a few alien incarnations, perhaps as soldiers for Krang if he were to be used. They'd include Slash, Scale Tail, and the Dark Turtles. If contending with mysticism, using Dragon Lord and Vam Mi (depending on rights) would be a plus as well as the Patheneon. Lastly, the likes of Silver, Bishop, Null, Hun, and Simon Bonesteel for possible threats in addition to reoccurring villains in the Foot, Baxter, Rat King, and Triceratons.

One major thing I should note is to give the rogues gallery more variety, as shown above. Besides using the above examples, it could also be beneficial to introduce some new characters that impact the franchise's lore. For example, maybe a biological son of Shredder (Pikimo instead maybe). The point being is like Next Mutation is to create a new roster of villains and possibly allies while also reintroducing some characters never before done/missing, as seen in IDW and Nick. Not withstanding the common adversaries (Shredder, Baxter, etc.), it allows a vast variety of all the departments, but I wouldn't go overboard in one category.

Lastly, for the time being, is utilizing a little of everything. I mentioned an overarching narrative, with Spectacular Spider-Man being my main source as each episode used a villain for an episode and building the world. For example, the first three villains of the series were Vulture, Electro, and Lizard in a biology named arc. It built towards the Lizard with getting used to Dr. Connors while also gearing up future stories, such as Eddie Brock's descent beginning in the Lizard episode.

I'll use the Foot as my example here. Say they were being introduced at the end of season 1. I'd say start with small time events like Old Hob and Leatherhead, but provide clues on the Foot's prominence. It can continuously lead into their first appearance. Same can be said about Krang or even Vam Mi depending on the season.

These elements, alongside a coming of age story (maybe adapt parts of older stories), is how I'd book a TMNT series. It's very much a work in progress, but a foundation I have for the time being. If there's more to add, I'll be sure to post in the future.

[ninja-zero]

I'm happy you're doing this. Here's mine:

You know the story of how the turtles got mutated and Splinter rescues them in an old coffee can and gets mutated too.

As for Hamato Yoshi & Oroku Saki, I see them going into an Obi-Wan & Anakin/Vader route. Yoshi & Saki were orphaned kids until found by the Ancient One.

Yoshi & Saki are then joining the Guardians with Mortu, Bishop, Queen, Rook & Pawn. Yoshi was skilled. But Saki wanted more power and jealous when Yoshi got the attention from Tang Shen.

Saki then joins the Foot clan, led by Ch'rell (formerly Knight) and his fellow scientist Krang who is the original Shredder back in the Sengoku period. He takes Saki under his wing so that he may pass on his title to him.

Yoshi fought Saki while Mortu fought Ch'rell.

Yoshi & Shen left for New York for a new life. Until Saki & Krang followed them so that Krang can steal Utrom information and for Saki to get his revenge as the Shredder.

April gets rescued by the Turtles.

The turtles fight Shredder in their first battle. Krang rescues him to patch him up and offers him four skilled mutant ninjas to combat the turtles and serve him. Bebop & Rocksteady can come in later. Hun joins Shredder as human.

[Powder]

I wanna see Andy Suriano's vision for the TMNT. He did all that character concept art that got rejected. It's weird as hell & could make for a very interesting change of pace. Examples:


http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/0/0c/Reject_art.png/revision/latest?cb=20140427143728

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/2/2c/Reject_robo_mutant.png/revision/latest?cb=20140427144439

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/4/49/Rejected_mutant_0.png/revision/latest?cb=20140427144451

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/6/62/Rejected_mutant.png/revision/latest?cb=20140427143411

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/0/04/Another_reject.png/revision/latest?cb=20140427143746


Talk about wish fulfillment. :tlol:

[LeotheLateBloomer]

you mean this?
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xpLwxquCtS0/UUlrnrKnVqI/AAAAAAAAAzA/H08dtqKTrbA/s1600/$T2eC16JHJGoE9nuQeWejBQ+FOZtWgg~~60_57.JPG

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-O7u0tACwJ1c/Tu77zLqUS9I/AAAAAAAAAG4/wPfSYGKjZFM/s1600/4089487019_7a66360969_o.jpg

http://www.turtlescomics.narod.ru/cartoon/mikeface.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GmXtpe5sVdo/Tu77vj2YPGI/AAAAAAAAAGo/YHSM13SXAtk/s1600/4089478271_af7636d426_o.jpg

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I don't know if it's my ideal turtles show but this is probably pretty close.

The only one's I'm not a fan of are possibly Fast Forward and Back to the Sewers seasons and of course, the Next Mutation.

Cheesy-ness and Venus aside, I'd actually would like another attempt at a NM-styled show. It didn't try to be the FW show.

[ProphetofGanja]

I'd like to cast another vote for a pretty faithful IDW adaptation.

Pick a consistent art style, something relatively realistic and not caractureish like so many shows on TV nowadays. Maybe something nearly as detailed as Santolouco's but streamlined as necessary for animation.

Use the opportunity to fix some of the rare instances of weird, clunky dialogue (the character's speech in IDW is usually pretty good, consistent with their character's personality and whatnot, but occasionally they'll use a word or make a reference that seems really dated or out-of-character)

[dawwe]

I suppose my ideal TMNT show would be something along the lines of the IDW comic. Pick and choose all the good stuff from all the incarnation. A nice action cartoon with a healthy dose of humor.

I guess I would go with a 2D cartoon, and I'd probably go with something close to Ben Bates' turtles when it comes to the visual style of the cartoon.

http://i.imgur.com/T3Th3Jw.png

http://i.imgur.com/L1dJCJX.png

[Ninjinister]

Entertain me
Remember the multiverse exists


That's literally all I want

[neatoman]

I suppose my ideal TMNT show would be something along the lines of the IDW comic. Pick and choose all the good stuff from all the incarnation. A nice action cartoon with a healthy dose of humor.

I guess I would go with a 2D cartoon, and I'd probably go with something close to Ben Bates' turtles when it comes to the visual style of the cartoon.

http://i.imgur.com/T3Th3Jw.png

http://i.imgur.com/L1dJCJX.png

Considering how he's already involved with the animation industry, I could totally see that happen.

[ninja-zero]

Give us a new series with 2003 vibe. But after all the wild mutations from 2012, it's too much.

Mutants:

Shredder's Mutant Elite Guard
- Koya, Shredder pet falcon
- Rahzar (reincarnated as a hyena)
- Chameleon, skilled in stealth using camouflage
- Skunk, skilled in deception using its foul smell
- Spider, uses spider-webs for traps

Later the four can get an upgraded mutation. Wolf (rahzar), Poison Dart Frog (chameleon), wolverine (skunk) & Scorpion (spider).

Bebop & Rocksteady could come in later.

[Panther10]

I'm not sure what I would consider to be the ideal TMNT show. The FW and 4kids shows were pretty quintessential for me. I guess beyond that I would have loved to see the KidsWB series, had that ever come to fruition in the late 90's but alas...that was not the case..

[dragonside]

Ideal is hard to nail down.

However, honestly IDW comic one is ideal.

What i'd like to see is maybe the robot turtles. LOL batman beyond style.

[GoldMutant]

So, it's been some time since I posted some conceptions. Odds are I'm going over to the fan fiction section at some point to solidify a plan. I figured I could get started with planning my idea. Message me at some point if you want to hear some more.

The title of the series is going to be Tales of the TMNT. I'm aware the Nickelodeon cartoon's fifth season has this title, but it's the best I can think of for now. For the time being, these will be 20 episode seasons. I may change it as I plan more out.

Anyways (skip the spoilers if you don't want to read):

The first season involves the history of the Turtles and the Foot Clan.
I'll start with the origin, as the first four episodes would focus on world building. The focus in terms of villains are the Purple Dragons, who act as the secondary villains of this season as well as the first appearance of either

Episode 1: In a change of pace from most TMNT media, Casey would be the first ally that the Turtles meet. This episode's first act sets up Casey's character and issues with the Purple Dragons, a nefarious criminal empire of the underworld. Casey mentions the Dragons need to get a lesson through butt kicking, subtly hinting at Arnold's death by them.

We get insight into Casey's character: a plucky, yet strong-willed individual looking to exact damage on the group. There'll be a reveal later in the season on Arnold for what his death involved.

When Casey gets into a battle, the Turtles are hinted at. Think similarly to the 1990s movie when the Turtles save April. In an alleyway, Casey tries to hold his own after leading the Dragons away from a location, either a lady and child or store. From the shadows, the Turtles strike against them. I'm not sure on killing them or just knocking them unconscious and escape through a manhole. They would then disappear as Casey leaves. That's the second act, maybe the half of the final act depending on action sequence.

Finally, the Turtles are talking to each other on that. Raph and Donnie could be saying it wasn't worth it compared to Donnie and Mikey. Splinter would then talk to them briefly as he takes note of the Dragons' appearance having some familiarity. The episode would end with Splinter scolding them for being vigilantes, finding it unnecessary and a worry. However, the conversation would be in darkened areas within the lair, but we do see their figures this time.

What I'm doing is building anticipation towards the Turtles' first onscreen appearance, as PD and the 90s movie did. Keep them in the shadows and surprise the audience with how they look.

Episode 2: The Dragons are being scolded by a large, intimidating figure in the cold opening. The individual is Hun, he doesn't appear onscreen yet. He demonstrates his anger of their "failure" by brutally killing (off camera for standards) Dragon Face. DF would be the main Dragon in episode 1, used as fodder to establish Hun as dangerous. He orders them to find whoever did this; when a Dragon mentions a kid, Hun smiles dastardly.

Following this, we cut to Casey at an auto shop. He's trying to make due with what he can but is having some trouble as the Dragons ransacked the place.
He then finds in the newspaper of a hiring at a meat factory. This job doesn't work well as Casey is too angry with pounding the meat and goes too far. For a little bit of humor, Casey could get into some slight hijinks with his superior before being let go.

Frustrated, Casey drowns out his frustration at a local bar, owned by the Dragons. (my thinking is along the lines of GTA for why) Casey ends up in a tussle and holds his own for a bit in an entertaining fight; the Turtles soon intervene when Casey is shot and thrown out of the bar. Like the alleyway fight, the battle soon becomes shadowy, but the Dragons have matches to see.
We see glimpses of the Turtles' limbs and weapons, but never their faces yet.
After throwing them out of the bar and the police coming, the Turtles make a run for it, but take Casey with them underneath the sewers, ending on a cliffhanger on what happens.

Episode 3: Whispers fill the air as the screen is black, Casey's POV. He soon wakes and sees he's bandaged but okay. In a funny exchange again,
you can have Raph make a remark before the intro and Casey freaks.

After this, Casey meets the Turtles and Splinter. Splinter, Donnie, and Raph do not trust him, but Mikey asks Splinter to stay. The reason: Mikey can sense good and evil in someone, at least Earthlings.

Casey is confused on what's going on as Leo interrogates him. The first half of the episode deals with the Turtles' origin.

In this series, Splinter is a household rat of Hamato Yoshi's. (I still need to figure out why he owns one) Yoshi lives in Japan with his wife Tang Shen and a daughter, Miwa. (no, she's not Karai here) On Miwa's fifth birthday, her one wish is to have her own pet(s). Yoshi and Shen decide on four Turtles,
whom Miwa comes to love for about 6 months.

However, an incident occurs in Japan. Yoshi, who served in the Foot Clan,
gets into an altercation with his friend, Oroku Saki. (Nagi will be used much later in the series) Saki gets angry, beats Shen, and Yoshi attacks him.
As with the Mirage Comics, he flees for New York with his family and pets.
Saki trains for about 4 months and kills them, the Turtles and rat are freed.

After the origin is told, Casey relates to losing family. After a heated exchange with Raph, Casey leaves. The second half deals with Casey's story of getting revenge, trying to track down the central location of the Dragons.

Episode 4 I'll get to in a bit, but it wraps this arc together and solidifes Casey's friendship with the team and a heated team with him and Raph.

I'm aware my idea has some kinks to it. As mentioned in the past, it's merely a work in progress.

[Utrommaniac]

So, in new thinking...

What if the turtle's mutations were deliberate?

Looking back at my idea for the Utroms being in a big turf war with the Triceratons, and what the Ooze was meant to be, I had the idea of it being like liquid Nanogenes from Doctor Who. It would only be meant to heal a specific DNA pattern, so when the healing agents don't recognize a pattern, they just make sh*t up and try to call it a day.

When it happens on accident with something, the Specimen 0 (might have to make that its own mutant, it sounds really cool.), the Utroms realize that such a thing might make a good soldier against the Triceratons.

Hamato Yoshi, one of their guardians, volunteers to mutate himself so the mutated soldiers in training can be more comfortable with something more like them. Afterwards, Leatherhead and the four turtles were mutated. However, Leatherhead imprinted on the Utroms a little too hard, so it came down to just the turtles. Yoshi trains them in the TCRI basement for seclusion, while not telling them of their origins for years "because they weren't ready".

Though, the Super Soldier program ends up falling apart somehow, but they decide not to give up on the four turtles and Leatherhead, who ended up learning combat in a different sense than was intended.

Before Splinter is able to tell the turtles of their origins, the MOUSERS come into the basement, with Baxter Stockman not knowing about the Secret Rat Man living below the TCRI building. Thus the turtles are forced to the outside world prematurely to look for their master, while the Utroms have to save Yoshi.

How Shredder and the Foot Clan fits into all this...I have no idea yet XD .

[eskater]

So, in new thinking...

What if the turtle's mutations were deliberate?

Looking back at my idea for the Utroms being in a big turf war with the Triceratons, and what the Ooze was meant to be, I had the idea of it being like liquid Nanogenes from Doctor Who. It would only be meant to heal a specific DNA pattern, so when the healing agents don't recognize a pattern, they just make sh*t up and try to call it a day.

When it happens on accident with something, the Specimen 0 (might have to make that its own mutant, it sounds really cool.), the Utroms realize that such a thing might make a good soldier against the Triceratons.

Hamato Yoshi, one of their guardians, volunteers to mutate himself so the mutated soldiers in training can be more comfortable with something more like them. Afterwards, Leatherhead and the four turtles were mutated. However, Leatherhead imprinted on the Utroms a little too hard, so it came down to just the turtles. Yoshi trains them in the TCRI basement for seclusion, while not telling them of their origins for years "because they weren't ready".

Though, the Super Soldier program ends up falling apart somehow, but they decide not to give up on the four turtles and Leatherhead, who ended up learning combat in a different sense than was intended.

Before Splinter is able to tell the turtles of their origins, the MOUSERS come into the basement, with Baxter Stockman not knowing about the Secret Rat Man living below the TCRI building. Thus the turtles are forced to the outside world prematurely to look for their master, while the Utroms have to save Yoshi.

How Shredder and the Foot Clan fits into all this...I have no idea yet XD .

Wild lol.....interesting though

[PizzaPower1985]

My ideal TMNT show would be something city based with a little of the sci-fi elements. Like more of the Season 1 2003 show with a somber, Mirage inspired tone. It would be 2D animation with character models from the 1990 film. It would probably be centered around the Foot Clan and tell IDW inspired stories if not directly adapting Tom Waltz' scripts.

[Utrommaniac]

Okay, I figured out something to the "deliberate mutations" idea.

Spoiler box for length

The Utroms trying their own Nanogenes that ends up splitting into a super soldier project like in IDW.

I talked about Specimen Zero before, but not really being sure what it would be.

Splinter is Specimen Zero!
When he started to show signs of unexpectedly high intelligence after the careful injections of the serum, he was placed into the care of Hamato Yoshi and Tang Shen, Utrom Guardian and a human TCRI scientist. And so, martial arts training comes into play as part of his acclimation to a very slow mutation into a new body - as well as playing a role in intelligence tests on Shen's part.

Once Splinter gets to a certain point, the Utroms decide it's time to move on to other things - especially since Splinter gets the itch to be a teacher himself in the ways that Yoshi and Shen taught him.

Leatherhead was discovered in the middle of Splinter's training and was mutated by accident shortly thereafter. He was determined to be too cumbersome for what Yoshi would have to teach, even when he was very small. While another combat tutor was sought for Leatherhead, he was given an education more similar to an Utrom's...which plants the seed for the very large oak that is his identity crisis.

Instead of Leatherhead, Splinter is given four baby turtles to be his pupils. Once Splinter is settled in and starting to get to know his turtles - mutating slowly and carefully..."it" happens.

The falling out between Yoshi and Oroku Saki, another guardian, who gets sick of Yoshi being the favorite and also betraying the ideals he was raised with - but mostly in Yoshi's marriage to Shen, a Chinese woman.

The disaster happens in the Hamato home, where Splinter was living with the couple and their daughter Miwa, where a fire ultimately starts in the fight. Splinter escapes with the turtles into the sewers and hides there to ensure their safety. By the time he returns, he finds the home in ruins and discovers Yoshi's charred remains being hauled away by ambulance, but cannot find Shen or Miwa. Enraged, he returns to his now fully-mutated turtles, throwing out everything he had been trained for in fighting the Triceratons and choosing another path instead: revenge.

He hides from the Utroms trying to find him and never bothers to go out and find what happened to Shen and Miwa (if he had, he would have found that the Utroms placed them in hiding for safety in Northampton) - putting every priority into his students. If they were to be soldiers, then soldiers they would be. Just for a different cause than intended.

Saki, meanwhile, has been severely reprimanded, with loss of power in his own faction of the Guardians - the Foot, which had only become so to avoid dissolving into nothingness like other clans had over the decades. He swears to regain it even if it takes him many years. "Good for you" he's told.
"So will completing all the paperwork for the disaster you've caused."

As for April and Casey...

April is the heiress to a home electronics company. And, being April, she decides she wants to know some engineering to better understand what exactly she'd inheriting. This brings her to Baxter Stockman, who works for TCRI fifteen years after the Hamato-Oroku Incident. She helps him construct the MOUSERS, which ultimately bust their way to the sewers and attack Splinter.

Casey is a young man fresh out of foster care and trying to find the sister he was separated from. And, being Casey, hasn't put it together that attempting to reunite what little family he could doesn't pair well with rampant vigilantism. He meets April going in hoping to get mechanic work at TCRI - and of course is turned away for not having enough credentials.

They team up when April notices the test MOUSERS on her tracker behaving bizarrely, so they both go to investigate. By the time they reach the area, they find the disturbance gone, and instead find the four turtles, very distressed and trying to find their "father".

One thing I would want to return to is a Mirage-type situation where everyone is just shades of gray and no explicit "evil". Rather, a series of conflicts spreading multiple generations, and it's up to the next in line nearing adulthood to resolve at least a few of the problems.

I'm also thinking about giving the Malignoid a massive boost in threat level that they lost in IDW. I remembered this horror of nature. (https://www.livescience.com/g00/47751-zombie-fungus-picky-about-ant-brains.html?i10c.referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google .com%2F) So now I know the "big threat" being the infected Malignoids causing havoc. The Triceratons and Utroms blame each other for it happening in the first place, as the virus/fungus started spreading in the midst of their previous war, and both assume it to be some kind of chemical warfare that the other was testing. Maligna is understandably more p*$$ed at losing children/subjects than a bull with a toothache and thinks both groups are equally responsible. Finally, the neutral Neutrinos are caught right in the center of everything...who are only neutral because of how badly they were wrecked the last time they tried to get between the Triceratons and Utroms, and this time, want to be a little more recovered before they try again.

The ultimate question is "where did the virus come from?"

[The Inventive Donatello]

In terms of shows, two things stand out (the first being what I would want more). Bear in mind this is brainstorming as there's a lot that would have to happen to ever make these possible. The first is highly unlikely to ever be made if not guaranteed not to be. The second has more of a chance.

1) A Netflix-style show in the spirit of Mirage. I have been wanting this for many years - since even before they made Daredevil. I'd say hour-long episodes. An R rating would be ideal and it would take the property very seriously. You could have the first season (8-13 episodes) cover up to around when they meet the Fugitoid. Or you could beef up the earlier issues. I am not a creator but they'd figure it out. Either way, you could have multiple seasons up to perhaps City at War, or even beyond into Vol. 2 or Image.

2) An animated show based on IDW - well, definitely the first 100 issues and related minis. This seems more likely than the Mirage Netflix show, but still probably not that likely. Still, it would be nice to see something like this and I would definitely watch. The art style could be similar to the Invincible or Castlevania shows - a more mature look. I would avoid CGI as I don't think it would work for this show.

Other non TV show based projects I would love to see but have next to no chance of ever being made:

A TMNT game in the style of the Arkham games. It has been covered extensively on here in the past and certain people have made it clear it will never happen. But this thread isn't based on reality;

A remake of the 1990 film. It could be updated with better visuals and more modern fighting sequences, with other bits altered;

Something completely fresh in the comic arena. Maybe something similar to Mirage in tone but deviating from that and taking its own direction - not the same as Image either. This is a more general wish but something new in the property that we haven't seen before (in terms of storytelling or premise) would be good. It's hard to say though if the well has run dry in this respect.

As I say, none of this will likely be made. But it's a dreaming thread.

[Kold Pizza]

The ideal TMNT series to me would be something that’s a blend of the Mirage comics, IDW comics, 1990 movie, and the best episodes of the 1987 TMNT cartoon (like the 1st season). Design-wise, I like the ninja turtles having different colored bandanas, and I like them better with pupils in their eyes than without any pupils. Personality-wise I don’t mind having them act like immature teenagers now and then, but at the same time, as they grow up, they know when it’s time to be serious and when it’s time to have fun. I prefer Master Splinter as Hamato Yoshi himself rather than he be a pet of Hamato Yoshi. I also prefer Splinter referring to the turtles as his sons rather than his students as well as the four turtles being brothers rather than roommates.

I would have April be a reporter more like the way she was portrayed in the 1990 movie rather than in the 1987 series. I would also, besides Shredder and Krang’s group showing up as the usual antagonists, have Karai, Tatsu, Fugitoid, Casey, the Rat King, Leatherhead, Baxter, the Triceratons, Usagi, and Mona Lisa show up as recurring characters. Ideally, in the early seasons, I want the story arc to feel like a suspenseful late 20th century ninja movie as it focuses on the feud between Yoshi and Saki’s foot clan. Then, the show can gradually get into some sci-fi stuff in the later seasons. I want the series to have a great balance between comedy and action.