80's Shredder vs Dr Robotnik, who is better and who would win in a fight?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I was watching some Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog a few days ago and I noticed some striking similarities that Dr Robotnik shared with Shredder from the 80s series:

1. Obsessed with the main protagonist(s)
2. Constantly using a wide vocabulary of insults
3. Has two incompetent henchmen (Bebop and Rocksteady vs Scratch and Grounder)
4. Has an army of useless robots (robotic foot soldiers vs Dr Robotnik's robotic inventions)
5. Has abused others for his own gain (Coconuts vs Baxter Stockman)
6. Has had a large robot designed to beat the main protagonist, appearing in two episodes (Chrome Dome vs the Music Destroyer)
7. Usually used for comic relief, has his moments of being badass, but is almost always defeated no matter how threatening he is.

Im curious as to who you think were better and more fun characters. Being a tmnt fan, most dromers would say Shredder is better, and I think hes much better too, but whats your opinion on their similarities? Was robotnik a blatant rip off or was he original enough? Also, who would win in a fight when comparing their armies? (excluding Krang and the rock soldiers, technodrome, because that would make the side far too one sided.)

[Coola Yagami]

Um.. in a straight up fight, shredder since he's an actual Fighter. But on the other hand, while shredder might cheat with a hidden ray gun, robotnic might cheat with all sorts of wacky devices that shredder wouldn't be ready for.

I can't see how the footbots vs scratch and grounder would go. The foot only seem like fodder to the turtles but dangerous to everyone else. They'd probably take out robotnic's forces if scratch and grounder were leading the army. I mean robotnic has the advantage since he has all sorts of robots in all shapes and sizes against an army of metal men, but those two would still find some way to screw it up.

[pferreira]

Dr Robotnik can come up with a devilish plan to capture Shredder but Shredder is more cunning than Robotnik so I'd say Shredder easily.

[Wesley]

I noticed the similarities myself a few years ago. I'd say 80s Shredder is better, as he's a trained ninja, has good fighting skills and got better lines. Like Robotnik, he's also good at making inventions. Shredder would probably win in a fair fight. I still like Aosth's Robotnik, though. He's my favourite version of Eggman.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

In a fight, I'd not pit Krang and the Rock soldiers alongside Shredder as that would make it far too one sided, instead I'd have it be:

1. Shredder vs Robotnik
3. Bebop and Rocksteady vs Scratch and Grounder
4. Foot soldiers vs Robotnik's robots
5. Fly Baxter vs Coconuts

Shredder's army would win in a fight in every category except for maybe Baxter vs Coconuts but I think it would be a very entertaining fight to watch nonetheless.

[DarkFell]

Would Shredder win against these versions of Robotnik?
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/scratchpad/images/c/c1/Docteur_Robotnik_(Sonic_X).png/revision/latest?cb=20140527113703https://i.ytimg.com/vi/oSr8KZgvir0/hqdefault.jpghttps://www.sonicstadium.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/271137-eggmun.jpg
Yeah - he probably would, although all incarnations of the Doctor sported an unpredictable nature when they're not being goofy part of the time.

The version of Robotnik that I would probably lay my money on, would probably be this guy...
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/sonic/images/9/9f/Robotnik_and_Cluck.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140208231430
Yep. The Big Round Guy that sat on his a** throughout most of Season 1 & Season 2 and yet, still managed to be a threat to everyone on Planet Mobius throughout the entire series.

[Candy Kappa]

Robotnik from Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog is pretty ineffective and basically as useless as his henchmen. FW Shredder wins easily.

SatAM Robotnik would be a better opponent.

[Wesley]

Robotnik from Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog is pretty ineffective and basically as useless as his henchmen. FW Shredder wins easily.

SatAM Robotnik would be a better opponent.

Well, I rewatched Sonic SatAM a few years ago and I thought its version of Robotnik was as ineffective as the Aosth Robotnik. He was all bark and no bite. He just sat most of the time in Robotroplis. At least Aosth Robotnik actually did stuff. I think it was just luck that he was able to take over the planet in the first place and even then, we didn't see much of it in the series and he admitted that he hadnt actually fully taken over Mobius in the last episode anyway.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

In some ways, Satam Robotnik has some parallels to Shredder from the episode "Shredderville" or even from the red sky seasons while 80s Shredder overall from the main seasons has more similarities to robotnik from aosth. Shredder isn't extreme incompetent like aosth robotnik or extreme menancing like Satam, he's somewhere in the middle.

[Wesley]

In some ways, Satam Robotnik has some parallels to Shredder from the episode "Shredderville" or even from the red sky seasons while 80s Shredder overall from the main seasons has more similarities to robotnik from aosth. Shredder isn't extreme incompetent like aosth robotnik or extreme menancing like Satam, he's somewhere in the middle.

80s Shredder is somewhere in between alright. I like his portrayal in the first two seasons the most, as he's shown to be cunning and menacing but still has a sense of humour. I'd say 80s Shredder would probably win in a fight one-on-one.

[pferreira]

Robotnik from Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog is pretty ineffective and basically as useless as his henchmen. FW Shredder wins easily.

SatAM Robotnik would be a better opponent.Adventures Robotnik was clever but was too overconfident which was always his downfall. He's also a whiny baby. In one episode when Sonic saved the day (again) Robotnik acted like a spoilt child shouting a number of times "why won't you let me win?". :lol:

[Shark_Blade]

I like Eggman but I think Shredder is more threatening.

[miru]

Let's see if Ch'rell could handle Archie/Fleetway Robotnik!

[Yabuturtle]

I liked how similar they are. Especially since they are both cry babies when they lose. xD

Probably Shredder wins, but Robotnik did become godlike in one of the Aosth episodes.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I just realized that Robotnik from SatAm actually shares alot more similarities to Krang rather than Shredder. I guess you could compare aosth Robotnik to Shredder, and the SatAm variant to Krang, as they both are warlords who do less fighting and more sitting on their thrones and giving out orders to their armies.

[MontanaMax1982]

SatAM Robotnik is better

[pferreira]

SatAM Robotnik is betterIf he ever gets off his chair and does something. :lol:

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Hey everyone! I recently made a Fan Death Battle on its Wiki of 80s Shredder vs Dr Robotnik from Aosth. I tried to be as unbiased as possible and make an interesting fight as well as a detailed analysis for both characters:

http://deathbattlefanon.wikia.com/wiki/Shredder_vs_Dr_Robotnik

If you wanna read and leave some feedback, either here or on the comments of the battle itself, it would be much appreciated :)

Next time I'm gonna do Lord Dregg (80s version) vs Dr Robotnik from Sonic Satam, as they are the main villains of tmnt and sonic during a darker time in their shows.

[neatoman]

Robotnik?

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[FredWolfLeonardo]

Robotnik?

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Well Yeah, Robotnik is the original :lol:

http://deathbattlefanon.wikia.com/wiki/Lord_Dregg_vs_Dr_Robotnik

My other fight with SatAm Robotnik is complete.

[neatoman]

Well Yeah, Robotnik is the original :lol:

That's not really true either. Robotnik is a translation liberty taken in game manuals, it was barely even in any of the games before Adventure and it's been ignored for almost 20 years now. Calling him that is like calling The Justice League "Super Friends", you're not technically not wrong, it's just that the amount of eyebrows raised will increase over time.

[shredder orokusaki]

I will. He is just a mad scientist like Baxter Stockman and he uses robots to fight. He never attacks his enemys without a robot or any other special weapon because he is too coward ! With one punch he wil be dead! I will tear his fat belly apart!

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I will. He is just a mad scientist like Baxter Stockman and he uses robots to fight. He never attacks his enemys without a robot or any other special weapon because he is too coward ! With one punch he wil be dead! I will tear his fat belly apart!

Well, did you read the battle? :lol:

[Ninjinister]

Robotnik has Pingas.

Robotnik wins.

[neatoman]

Robotnik has Pingas.

Robotnik wins.

What about his Piness?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

snooPINGAS usual I see!

[shredder orokusaki]

I will tell Baxter Stockman to open a portal on Mobius so i can go there and kill Sonic. But after Joker betrayed me i have learned to never trust other villians. Because of that i will not join forces with him to kill the turtles . I wil just kill Sonic and then return to New York. I have beat Batman and Joker so beating that alien hedgehog will be too easy since he dont have any ninja skills.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I will tell Baxter Stockman to open a portal on Mobius so i can go there and kill Sonic. But after Joker betrayed me i have learned to never trust other villians. Because of that i will not join forces with him to kill the turtles . I wil just kill Sonic and then return to New York. I have beat Batman and Joker so beating that alien hedgehog will be too easy since he dont have any ninja skills.

What do you have against Sonic?

[shredder orokusaki]

What do i have against sonic? That he is enemy of Eggman! I want to destroy all good guys not just the turtles! But i must admit his video games are very good and my first game in 1994 was sonic 1 for sega game gear! I also bought Sonic forces on release date one month ago for pc and finished it in jut 4 days!

[Spike Spiegel]

SatAm Robotnik would win, no contest.

AoSTH Robotnik? Maybe a draw...or they'd both commiserate about their failed plans for world domination.

[pferreira]

That's not really true either. Robotnik is a translation liberty taken in game manuals, it was barely even in any of the games before Adventure and it's been ignored for almost 20 years now. Calling him that is like calling The Justice League "Super Friends", you're not technically not wrong, it's just that the amount of eyebrows raised will increase over time.Robotnik is his real name, Eggman is his nick name. I mean come on, you don't actually think Eggman is his real name do you? :lol:

[neatoman]

SatAm Robotnik would win, no contest.

AoSTH Robotnik? Maybe a draw...or they'd both commiserate about their failed plans for world domination.

What about Sonic X Eggman?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

What about Sonic X Eggman?

I'm not too familiar with that incarnation but factors such as prep time, prior knowledge and equipment is important in determining a winner.

[neatoman]

I'm not too familiar with that incarnation but factors such as prep time, prior knowledge and equipment is important in determining a winner.

X Eggman is basically the same character as the game Eggman.

[Prowler]

I've always wondered why there are so many Sonic related threads and why so many threads in these forums eventually lead to Sonic discussion.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I've always wondered why there are so many Sonic related threads and why so many threads in these forums eventually lead to Sonic discussion.

Me too. I mean, atleast this is somewhat relevant since 80s Shredder is indeed similar to Robotnik but in other threads, too many Sonic pictures everywhere courtsey of one user :lol:

[Prowler]

Me too. I mean, atleast this is somewhat relevant since 80s Shredder is indeed similar to Robotnik but in other threads, too many Sonic pictures everywhere courtsey of one user :lol:
Sonic has been a recurrent topic in here way before that said user even joined this place.

As for the question... theyr'e both incompetent as hell, so they'd probably just waste time arguing/fighting while the Turtles and Sonic would team up and foil their plans.

[The Deadman]

What do you have against Sonic?

He's been hanging out with Papen too long.

[Prowler]

What do i have against sonic? That he is enemy of Eggman! I want to destroy all good guys not just the turtles! But i must admit his video games are very good and my first game in 1994 was sonic 1 for sega game gear! I also bought Sonic forces on release date one month ago for pc and finished it in jut 4 days!

He's been hanging out with Papen too long.

He is a 30 year old guy roleplaying as Shredder on an internet forum. I wouldn't take him seriously.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

I've always wondered why there are so many Sonic related threads and why so many threads in these forums eventually lead to Sonic discussion.

They were both very popular during the early-1990's. But shouldn't it be more comparings to Masters of the Universe and Transformers, franchises defining the 1980's.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

They were both very popular during the early-1990's. But shouldn't it be more comparings to Masters of the Universe and Transformers, franchises defining the 1980's.

In a fight, they're probably not compared because He-Man and Transformers characters are wayy too powerful for tmnt characters.

Sonic (atleast the old cartoons during the 90s) are more even and a fight between Shredder and Robotnik would be more fair than say, Shredder vs Skeletor.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

In a fight, they're probably not compared because He-Man and Transformers characters are wayy too powerful for tmnt characters.

Sonic (atleast the old cartoons during the 90s) are more even and a fight between Shredder and Robotnik would be more fair than say, Shredder vs Skeletor.

I would suggest

*Technodrome against a powerful Transformers robot

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I would suggest

*Technodrome against a powerful Transformers robot

That sounds like a decently fair fight even though the technodrome is not a character.

But I'd reckon Krang with his enlarged android body is the only character in FW tmnt capable of singlehandedly holding his own against Transformers and stuff. Everyone else is above average human in terms of strength.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

That sounds like a decently fair fight even though the technodrome is not a character.

But Krang is a character, and he is inside the Technodrome manoeuvring it. How about Krang (inside full-powered Technodrome) against Optimus Prime?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

How about Krang (inside full-powered Technodrome) against Optimus Prime?

I'm not sure since I'm not that familiar with Transformers but since you give Krang a full-powered technodrome (and he'd probably have his molecular expander just in case), I'd say he would be pretty hard to take down even by Optimus considering how the technodrome has survived the worst of conditions and at its maximum power, can lay waste to entire cities, possibly even the entire planet.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

I'm not sure since I'm not that familiar with Transformers but since you give Krang a full-powered technodrome (and he'd probably have his molecular expander just in case), I'd say he would be pretty hard to take down even by Optimus considering how the technodrome has survived the worst of conditions and at its maximum power, can lay waste to entire cities, possibly even the entire planet.

Krang in android with molecular expander against Optimus Prime also works well.