Dragon Ball Super Episode Discussion Topic

[Luffy]

Hey everybody! I made this topic to discuss Dragon Ball Super. It is a series that takes place during DragonBall Z. Right after the Majin Buu saga. You can watch it right now on www.crunchyroll.com

[Cure]

Hmmmmmm...

[Allio]

The first part of the Super (Battle of Gods and Resurrection F) are really boring and pointless for the most part if you have already seen the two movies, the only real noticeable thing is that Captain Ginyu returns.

Universe 6 vs 7 was pretty fun, for a tournament based arc.

Black Goku arc was fun, but the padding out seemed to really kill it as it took too long to get to this point.

[DestronMirage22]

Super seems like a fun show, but no continuation of DBZ will ever be able to match the original. That said, it should still be given a chance, and be judged by how good it is by itself, not compared to the original. 'cause like I said; it doesn't compare in the same sense.
Me, I'll wait 'till it's dubbed.

[DestronMirage22]

I do have to give DBS props though. Them putting Jaco the Galactic Patrolman was cool, he's one of Toriyama's recent characters that I really like.

[Slade]

The first part of the Super (Battle of Gods and Resurrection F) are really boring and pointless for the most part if you have already seen the two movies, the only real noticeable thing is that Captain Ginyu returns.

Universe 6 vs 7 was pretty fun, for a tournament based arc.

Black Goku arc was fun, but the padding out seemed to really kill it as it took too long to get to this point.

As many posts of yours I've read, I didn't figure you'd be one to do that.
Goku Black has become one of my favorite characters now though.

[TheCanadiandrome]

I'm digging this show! But as someone mentioned, I can't wait til it's dubbed

[Coola Yagami]

No comments on the return of Vegetto?

[Slade]

I actually didn't want fusion to come back. Or it could have been cool to finally make Gogeta canon. Vegito is cool though. Looks like he may actually get the job done this time.

[DestronMirage22]

I actually didn't want fusion to come back.

Yeah, me too. I just hope that fusion isn't really undermined by SSJB, SSJR, and the like.

[TheCanadiandrome]

No comments on the return of Vegetto?

haven't seen that part yet. just kind of watching it reverse lol. currently on the Goku Black arc then i'll watch the earlier eps as they're uploaded on Funimation/Crunchyroll

[Allio]

As many posts of yours I've read, I didn't figure you'd be one to do that.
Goku Black has become one of my favorite characters now though.

What? I enjoyed Black, I'm just saying that there was times where the arc could have cut out some episodes (like where Trunks/Vegeta/Goku comes back to the present)

[Redeemer]

Super seems like a fun show, but no continuation of DBZ will ever be able to match the original. That said, it should still be given a chance, and be judged by how good it is by itself, not compared to the original. 'cause like I said; it doesn't compare in the same sense.
Me, I'll wait 'till it's dubbed.

You never Know. DBZ passed its predecessor "Dragon Ball" So its hard to say.
But if they keep turning out arcs like this Black Goku arc then who knows

Cant wait till Saturday's ep. The return of Super Vegito will be epic!!!!! Monster Zamasu looks really awesome. But I wonder if fused Zamasu is immortal sense Black Goku is not immortal.

[DestronMirage22]

You never Know. DBZ passed its predecessor "Dragon Ball" So its hard to say.
But if they keep turning out arcs like this Black Goku arc then who knows



One can only hope!:)

[Slade]

What? I enjoyed Black, I'm just saying that there was times where the arc could have cut out some episodes (like where Trunks/Vegeta/Goku comes back to the present)

I was messing with you because you said Black Goku instead of Goku Black.


Also, Canadian, Vegito appears for the first time in Super this weekend.

[Allio]

I was messing with you because you said Black Goku instead of Goku Black.


eh, he seems more of a dark Goku....Nega Goku...

[PApagreg]

eh, he seems more of a dark Goku....Nega Goku...

UKOG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh6pVOqr7-I

[Slade]

eh, he seems more of a dark Goku....Nega Goku...

I just stick to Black.


but I hate that he turned out to be Zamasu

[Allio]

I was hoping that some how Goku's corpse from Trunk's timeline was used in making Black

[Slade]

Yeah me too, or maybe he was created from the super dragon balls.

[DestronMirage22]

Bumping this thread.
I just found out yesterday that the DBS english dub already started airing!
I was just flipping through my T.V. channels, when out pops up Dragon Ball Super on Adult Swim. They're already on the second episode, and so far, the dub's pretty good. Seems like all the previous VA's have reprised their roles, even down to guys like Elder Kai and Shin Kai!
Man, this is shaping out to be a good year! :D

[TheCanadiandrome]

Should be on Funimation I hope. Don't have Adult Swim

[CyberCubed]

The dub is too far behind. Watch the Japanese version for free on Crunchyroll.

[THGhost]

Watched the first episode so far, dubbed. Nice to see Goku back again, even if it's for a retelling of Battle of Gods/Resurrection F for a while. Looking forward to the new material.

The dub is too far behind. Watch the Japanese version for free on Crunchyroll.

Screw that. I like my Goku to not sound like a pre-pubescent school girl. :lol:

[TheCanadiandrome]

The dub is too far behind. Watch the Japanese version for free on Crunchyroll.

already am :lol: :D

[DestronMirage22]

Screw that. I like my Goku to not sound like a pre-pubescent school girl. :lol:

Agreed. After awhile I just get a headache. :lol:

[CyberCubed]

You guys make me sick. Goku's Japanese VA is a legend. I've watched all of Super in Japanese so far and she sounds fine, and this is coming from someone who grew up with the dub when I was a kid/teen.

[DestronMirage22]

You guys make me sick. Goku's Japanese VA is a legend. I've watched all of Super in Japanese so far and she sounds fine, and this is coming from someone who grew up with the dub when I was a kid/teen.

Sorry if it seemed like I was talking bad about Goku's Japanese VA. I respect her, and the voice acting work she has done. Even at her current age, she continues to provide the same quality work as ever. It's just that she's just not for me. I prefer English dub whenever it's available, and I have always loved Sean Schmmel's Goku.

[TheCanadiandrome]

You guys make me sick. Goku's Japanese VA is a legend. I've watched all of Super in Japanese so far and she sounds fine, and this is coming from someone who grew up with the dub when I was a kid/teen.

You are a saint amongst men :lol:

[THGhost]

Vegeta devouring the octopus in episode 2 was hilarious. :lol:

Sorry if it seemed like I was talking bad about Goku's Japanese VA. I respect her, and the voice acting work she has done. Even at her current age, she continues to provide the same quality work as ever. It's just that she's just not for me. I prefer English dub whenever it's available, and I have always loved Sean Schmmel's Goku.

Same here. She's a great VO actress, but her voice begins to grate after a while. So does the rest of the Japanese cast.

You guys make me sick. Goku's Japanese VA is a legend. I've watched all of Super in Japanese so far and she sounds fine, and this is coming from someone who grew up with the dub when I was a kid/teen.

Then you like both, good for you. Others don't. People like what they like.

Also, "the dub is too far behind"? For what exactly? :P

[LeotheLateBloomer]

You guys make me sick. Goku's Japanese VA is a legend. I've watched all of Super in Japanese so far and she sounds fine, and this is coming from someone who grew up with the dub when I was a kid/teen.

I could say the same about Sailor Moon's Japanese VA but no one can refute that her voice can be grating when she's whining.

[CyberCubed]

Blasphemy in this thread.

Goku's Japanese VA is fine.

[THGhost]

Blasphemy in this thread.

Goku's Japanese VA is fine.

To you, and that's perfectly fine. Nothing against Mosako Nozawa, I just prefer Sean Schemmel and there's nothing wrong with that either. I'm not gonna chastise you for preferring subs over dubs. Blasphemy is a gross exaggeration.

There are people who... *whispers* There are people who prefer dubs in their own language y'know. *stops whispering* I know that may be hard to understand, but it's true.

[CyberCubed]

I watch the dub too and grew up on it, I just don't see anything wrong with the Japanese cast. I've watched all 75 episodes of Super subbed so far.

[THGhost]

I wish I could do that. I just wouldn't be able to bare it. :P There's nothing "wrong" with it, it's just not for me.

[Coola Yagami]

The dub's fine, especially since by now the cast has finally gotten into their roles. Honestly, Resurrection F would have sucked balls if it was dubbed in the mid 90s. My only complaint with the original is Kaioh Sama. He sounds so damn monotone, like the VA is just reading the script. Like the character is jumping all over the place, spazzing out but he's talking normally. I knew the dub would improve it.

Now on to the real Super, I do wonder when they're gonna end all the Great Saiyaman filler and get back to the next big story arc. I mean... looking back at the Buu Saga, did Gohan really do all that much to warrant a Great Saiyaman movie?

[THGhost]

I do wonder when they're gonna end all the Great Saiyaman filler and get back to the next big story arc. I mean... looking back at the Buu Saga, did Gohan really do all that much to warrant a Great Saiyaman movie?

There's more Great Saiyaman filler in Super? Wonderful. :roll:

I'm starting to think there should be a thread for just discussing the dub, or I should just stay out of this thread for a while. :lol:

[CyberCubed]

Now on to the real Super, I do wonder when they're gonna end all the Great Saiyaman filler and get back to the next big story arc. I mean... looking back at the Buu Saga, did Gohan really do all that much to warrant a Great Saiyaman movie?

What the hell are you talking about? There's been 2 Great Saiyaman episodes and another where Gohan trains with Goku.

Its also an established part of Gohan's character. Most of the fillers between the last arc and this had to do with Goku or the other characters.

[Coola Yagami]

What the hell are you talking about? There's been 2 Great Saiyaman episodes and another where Gohan trains with Goku.

Its also an established part of Gohan's character. Most of the fillers between the last arc and this had to do with Goku or the other characters.

OK good. I must have missed the Goku/Gohan episode. Hopefully that means the next arc is starting.

[Coola Yagami]

There's more Great Saiyaman filler in Super? Wonderful. :roll:

I'm starting to think there should be a thread for just discussing the dub, or I should just stay out of this thread for a while. :lol:

Well.... didn't you read the first page of this topic? It's all about the Goku Black arc which is the 4th major arc of the series while the dub is barely showing episode 3 this weekend.

[THGhost]

Well.... didn't you read the first page of this topic? It's all about the Goku Black arc which is the 4th major arc of the series while the dub is barely showing episode 3 this weekend.

Of course not, trying to avoid spoilers here. I'll take the hint. ;)

As you were, guys.

[CyberCubed]

Man, some of you know nothing about Dragonball. Try going to kazenshuu, the main Dragonball fan forums. Everyone there will school you on Dragonball history, its characters and what the franchise is really about.

[THGhost]

Man, some of you know nothing about Dragonball. Try going to kazenshuu, the main Dragonball fan forums. Everyone there will school you on Dragonball history, its characters and what the franchise is really about.

You're hilarious, Cubed. Don't ever stop being yourself. :lol: Although I do hope this post wasn't aimed at me.

PS. I was a member there for quite some time, under a different name. Nice to know it's still going. :thumbsup:

I'm seriously considering signing up again now...

[TheCanadiandrome]

all things aside, i'm totally digging this iteration of the DB universe. I'll watch the English Dub on Funimation soon enough, but for now, I'm enjoying it on Crunchyroll

[CyberCubed]

Go there right now, there's always interesting discussion going on about all the sagas, all the characters, and behind the scenes facts of Toriyama, the manga, the anime, etc:

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/

They also have weekly review threads for Super. Only decent place on the internet to discuss Dragonball without fanboys or young kids who grew up only watching the dub.

[Allio]

huh

can't tell you what surprises me more

Bozo the clown is a god of destruction
or that we get a female broly

I will be disappointed if she doesn't shoutout senpai

[Coola Yagami]

huh

can't tell you what surprises me more

Bozo the clown is a god of destruction
or that we get a female broly

I will be disappointed if she doesn't shoutout senpai

A clown God with a girl with pigtails. Hmmmm.

[Vegita-San]

huh

can't tell you what surprises me more

Bozo the clown is a god of destruction
or that we get a female broly

I will be disappointed if she doesn't shoutout senpai

female brolly, what?

I've been waiting forever to see a female SSJ (kind of got close when it looked like videl powered up to SSJ during the Super God arc at the start),,

I don't want to see a retcon of the most pointless villain ever.

where can we find images and info of all these spoilers? so far i like what we'ves een.

[CyberCubed]

LOL, now you're complaining about Dragonball, Vegita-San? Do you like anything anymore?

The new character designs are great. Very Toriyama inspired. A female Broly being introduced in canon is like Toriyama trolling the fanbase and I love it. :lol:

[Allio]

A clown God with a girl with pigtails. Hmmmm.

his name will probably be based on Booze/bozo

[ssjup81]

You guys make me sick. Goku's Japanese VA is a legend. I've watched all of Super in Japanese so far and she sounds fine, and this is coming from someone who grew up with the dub when I was a kid/teen.Didn't know she was still doing it. I get why they kept her to voice Goku, even after he grew up...to keep emphasizing how pure of heart he is and how innocent he still is personality wise. I felt that was the other reason why they did that for Gohan. Can't really say about Goten.

Anyway, what is Super about? I keep saying I'm going to check it out, but never think about it until this thread pops up.

[Vegita-San]

Basically toriyama's frig you to hollywood for giving us the horrid dragonball evolution.


it's not bad for the most part, but it's not as epic as dragonball Z.

I'm glad they put in more comedy though.

[CyberCubed]

Anyway, what is Super about? I keep saying I'm going to check it out, but never think about it until this thread pops up.

Super is pretty good but the first 25ish episodes are just episode adaptions of the recent two movies. It has really poor animation too at the start and the movies were stretched out into episodes.

Most people just watch Movie 14 and 15 (Beerus movie, and Return of Freeza), then start the series at episode 28 when the new material starts.

[Coola Yagami]

Didn't know she was still doing it. I get why they kept her to voice Goku, even after he grew up...to keep emphasizing how pure of heart he is and how innocent he still is personality wise. I felt that was the other reason why they did that for Gohan. Can't really say about Goten.

Anyway, what is Super about? I keep saying I'm going to check it out, but never think about it until this thread pops up.

People assume you've already seen the movies, so I'll do a better job explaining.

Dragonball Super takes place some years after the defeat of Majin Buu at the end of DBZ but BEFORE they met Uub in the final episodes. It starts when the God of Destruction, Beerus awakens to find and challenge the Super Saiyan God. As the series continues both Goku and Vegeta gain the powers of the Gods, and the existence of different universes, each with their own versions of Gods of Destruction and other deities, are explained and explored, including the existence of planet sized Dragonballs called Super Dragonballs. The world of Dragonball basically gets a much larger scope as later sagas explore these different universes and different characters.

It's a lot more enjoyable without seeing the movies (even though the movies were better). The episodes do flesh out the characters and explain more things here and there, and if you've never seen the movies, you're not sitting back impatiently saying 'come on, get on with it... get these parts over with' and just enjoy the series more as a whole.

[CyberCubed]

Or people can simply skip the movie adaptions, which started at episode 3 and go to episode 27.

Watch the fillers inbetween though, oddly enough nearly all the fillers in Super have been great.

[Coola Yagami]

Or people can simply skip the movie adaptions, which started at episode 3 and go to episode 27.

Watch the fillers inbetween though, oddly enough nearly all the fillers in Super have been great.

I'm pretty sure she can do whatever she wants and watch them however she wants.

I did like the movie adaptation episodes just fine, bad animation aside. It did flesh things out more and I liked how they showed some of Freeza's training, which was exactly what I was hoping for when I found out they were adapting the movies into episodes. I mean, I knew there was going to be new stuff afterwards, so I didn't mind waiting.

[CyberCubed]

They're the low point of Super though. Rehashed from the movies with worse animation. It's why Super had such a bad reception when it first started.

However after they end the quality of Super skyrockets. The animation improved tremendously, the Champa tournament was decent, the Zamasu arc was good, the fillers have been great, and the upcoming tournament looks interesting.

[Slade]

I will say one thing about the animation. Sometimes it's great, other times, its total trash. At times it doesn't have that Toriyama/Dragonball feel.

Anyway, I'm ready for the dub to get to he Future Trunks arc.

This tournament coming up seems a little interesting, but at the same time, I'm not thrilled.

Also, man that "female Broly", I'm not excited about. I see a Lt of people saying she will be from Universe 6. I don't see how that could be the case since Cabba didn't know what an Ssj was? Also, it will be hilarious if she turns out to be a troll and not actually a Saiyan.

[CyberCubed]

As long as the other main characters outside of Goku/Vegeta get good fights, I'm fine. Bringing back all the older main characters for a tournament and not having them do anything or lose their fights quickly will piss a lot of people off.

I feel this next arc will "make or break" Super as a whole. Some goodwill was earned back with the Zamasu arc, but this next saga has to be good or else Super won't be remembered fondly.

[Slade]

Well they're going to be fighting in pairs/teams. So there should be some really good fights. I hope 17 and 18 get to team up. Goku and Gohan, Gohan and Piccolo. Hell maybe even Vegeta and Piccolo.

And you could be right about this arc making it or breaking, but at the same time, dragonball has a huge following, there's a ton of people who will watch no matter what they do.

[DestronMirage22]

Wow, that universal tournament teaser was....something. Some of the character designs definitely reflect that classic Toriyama style. About the elephant and clown gods of destruction: I read somewhere that they seem to be based off of Japanese deities/legends from their folklore. As for the attendant with the pigtails, I guess he just designed her like that, I really doubt it was a reference to Harly Quinn/Joker.

Female Broly is kinda weird. It's really strange seeing his design with a shirt on and breasts. :teek: Maybe the girls from a gender swapped universe? She kinda looks like a female pre-LSS Broly don'tcha think?

[Slade]

Until she transforms and looks exactly like Broly, even the green hair, which doesn't even make sense anyway.

[CyberCubed]

She's from Cabba's world I assume, it's an alternate universe anyway so the rule of Universe 7 may not apply there.

We already have Frost who is just an alternate Freeza, I wouldn't be surprised if there are other alternate characters. I'm surprised they didn't introduce some new kind of superpowered Namek either from Universe 6.

[Slade]

Yeah that's what everyone is saying. If she is from U6, I really hope there's a good explanation as to how. I agree too, there should be something for Piccolo to obtain. The Namekians have the Book of Knowledge that knew about Super Saiyan God, so maybe there's something in there. Think that would be pretty dope.

[CyberCubed]

I have to say nearly all of Super's "fillers" if you can even call them that, have been great and entertaining. There's something about the humor in Super that's really enjoyable, I can't pinpoint what it is exactly but its a bit different than the humor back in either Dragonball or DBZ.

I think it's because now the writers are writing the show with the knowledge of how popular the franchise was in the past, and throwing in winks, meme's, and nods toward the audience. Yamcha's baseball episode being a perfect example of that.

Most of Super has a lot of nostalgia pandering going on it too, so that might be it as well.

[Allio]

Yeah that's what everyone is saying. If she is from U6, I really hope there's a good explanation as to how. I agree too, there should be something for Piccolo to obtain. The Namekians have the Book of Knowledge that knew about Super Saiyan God, so maybe there's something in there. Think that would be pretty dope.

I want to see something like Piccolo having to fuse with his father in hell. Or ending up to fuse with some kind of Cell (Legion) thing after absorbing all the inmates of hell, Piccolo fuses with him (using his cells in Cell as a loophole) and Piccolo is able to be the "Devil" to Goku's "god"

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Yamcha's baseball episode being a perfect example of that.

That episode had me roflmao. I did really like the recent episodes with the Great Saiyaman movie.:lol: The crossover with Dr. Slump was weird but hilarious. I could have sworn these two shows had crossovered before, though.

[Vegita-San]

Until she transforms and looks exactly like Broly, even the green hair, which doesn't even make sense anyway.

careful, you'll be seen as complaining about something and that's frowned on around here ;o)...

but yeah. does she turn into a man, too, or is she just so muscley, she LOOKS like brolly when she transforms?

I finally saw the teaser. No matter how talented a person is, some of the characters are BOUND to look alike...and he DOES have to draw 12 or more new ones. that's a tough challenge for anyone no matter how goodyou are.

I bet you anything the clown came out of a frustration of trying to make them look like they are all in the same series, but different ;o).

[CyberCubed]

Toriyama's designs for characters has always come in all shapes and sizes. The first time the various villains in DBZ was introduced they probably looked strange to people, but now we're all used to them.

This is the same man who designed characters like Mr. Popo, Korin, King Kai, a 3 eyed man, whatever the hell Chiaotzu is supposed to be, Freeza's various forms, etc.

Toriyama comes up with great designs.

[DestronMirage22]

That episode had me roflmao. I did really like the recent episodes with the Great Saiyaman movie.:lol: The crossover with Dr. Slump was weird but hilarious. I could have sworn these two shows had crossovered before, though.

They did. In the original Dragon Ball manga/anime during the Red Ribbon saga. And in the 1997 Dr. Slump anime remake, in which Goku visited Penguin Village.

[Allio]

pregnant Bulma

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/565/399/9c0.jpg

[CyberCubed]

Yet Trunks and Goten still look like little kids. The lack of new designs for them when they're supposed to be teenagers now is getting absurd.

[Coola Yagami]

Yeah, Bra had to come sooner or later. To be fair the preview didn't show the kids, but I'm guessing they're too lazy to age them up.

[CyberCubed]

Yeah, Bra had to come sooner or later. To be fair the preview didn't show the kids, but I'm guessing they're too lazy to age them up.

Which is absurd. At the end of DBZ, Trunks and Goten are fully grown adults while Bra is 3 and Pan is 4....so are we expected to believe Trunks/Goten go from their little kid selves to fully grown adults in 3 years time?

[Coola Yagami]

Which is absurd. At the end of DBZ, Trunks and Goten are fully grown adults while Bra is 3 and Pan is 4....so are we expected to believe Trunks/Goten go from their little kid selves to fully grown adults in 3 years time?

They were actually teenagers at the end of DBZ and didn't become adults until *shudders* GT. So they should be teens now.

[Allio]

Marron is 7 or 8 and is still treated like she is two

[Bry]

Yet Trunks and Goten still look like little kids. The lack of new designs for them when they're supposed to be teenagers now is getting absurd.

That's consistent with original Dragon Ball at least, where Goku and Krillin aged 3-5 years or so without growing much at all, and then suddenly were their adult heights after the last time-skip.

Gohan did grow a little more subtly, though. So... I guess it's consistently inconsistent? :lol:

Basically Toriyama doesn't care too much about those details so you just kind of have to roll with it.

[CyberCubed]

Gohan was the only kid character in the series who actually aged naturally throughout the show.

It just bugs me that Trunks and Goten look just like they do in the Buu arc...when Super takes place at least 3-4 years later.

[Coola Yagami]

That's consistent with original Dragon Ball at least, where Goku and Krillin aged 3-5 years or so without growing much at all, and then suddenly were their adult heights after the last time-skip.

Gohan did grow a little more subtly, though. So... I guess it's consistently inconsistent? :lol:

Basically Toriyama doesn't care too much about those details so you just kind of have to roll with it.

Yeah, Gohan's clothes, hairstyle and overall married life outlook really helps show he's not the same high schooler from the Buu saga. But yeah, Goten and Trunks should start looking like they do in those final dbz Eps by now.

[CyberCubed]

Yeah, Gohan's clothes, hairstyle and overall married life outlook really helps show he's not the same high schooler from the Buu saga. But yeah, Goten and Trunks should start looking like they do in those final dbz Eps by now.

Gohan was only 16 in the Buu arc. He's in his early 20's now.

[Coola Yagami]

Gohan was only 16 in the Buu arc. He's in his early 20's now.

Exactly. Hes a young adult now. So Goten and Trunks shouod be teens by now, not full grown adults like you said earlier.

[CyberCubed]

There's virtually no difference in teen/adult Trunks design assuming our present day Trunks looks identical to Future Trunks when he ages.

For example Future Trunks was 17 in the Cell arc. He just came back in the Zamasu arc and he's 31 now. Yet he looks exactly the same as he did when he was a teenager. If 30 year old Trunks looks just like 17 year old Trunks, I imagine the present day Trunks would age similarly.

Also I really like Goten's adult/teen design at the end of DBZ, much better than the GT design he had. I really hope we see more of older Goten, because as he is right now they're probably never going to do anything with kid Goten ever again.

[Bry]

Yeah, Gohan's clothes, hairstyle and overall married life outlook really helps show he's not the same high schooler from the Buu saga. But yeah, Goten and Trunks should start looking like they do in those final dbz Eps by now.

Gohan was only 16 in the Buu arc. He's in his early 20's now.

Yet if you swapped current Gohan in his current look for his Orange Star High School outfit, he'd look pretty much the same. Maybe a bit skinnier now, if anything.

There's virtually no difference in teen/adult Trunks design assuming our present day Trunks looks identical to Future Trunks when he ages.

For example Future Trunks was 17 in the Cell arc. He just came back in the Zamasu arc and he's 31 now. Yet he looks exactly the same as he did when he was a teenager. If 30 year old Trunks looks just like 17 year old Trunks, I imagine the present day Trunks would age similarly.

Again, this kind of highlights how Toriyama handles aging in general, typically... Aside from Gohan noticeably growing a bit between the Namek/Frieza sagas and the Cell arcs, most Dragon Ball characters have a pretty standard "kid" size into their early teen years, then a big growth spurt when they're 16 or so, which then doesn't change too much into adulthood.

[CyberCubed]

Well yeah that's true. Even the human characters like Krillin, Yamcha, Tien, Bulma, etc. look almost exactly the same over the span of 20 years aside from some different hair styles.

Krillin and Yamcha never age either. Yamcha and Bulma especially are around 44-45 years old now in Super's era. :lol:

[Allio]

to be fair. capsule corp probably has some great anti-aging Panchy is at least in her 60's or something.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Maybe they're like the Simpsons, ageless

[DestronMirage22]

Maybe they're like the Simpsons, ageless

Uh, no.
This is Dragon Ball we're talking about here. Time certainly passes, but the way it's shown is different than other shows. People age, but it's not quite obvious for awhile, as previously mentioned.

[CyberCubed]

The Dragonball cast aging is actually one of my favorite aspects of the series. Not many other franchises out there age the main cast from kids, to teens, to adults, to showing them have children, to having them becoming grandparents.

The fact that Goku is a grandfather is mind blowing. For kids who started watching the original Dragonball back in 1986 in Japan, they could have never predicted this. Seeing Gohan grow up over the course of DBZ has also been great.

[CyberCubed]

Goddamn. That new animation. Holy crap. If it remains consistent this is like a totally different show.

Hope this tournament is good with all the returning cast.

[DestronMirage22]

Goddamn. That new animation. Holy crap. If it remains consistent this is like a totally different show.

Hope this tournament is good with all the returning cast.

I haven't seen the newest episodes, is that good or bad?

[CyberCubed]

The animation got a huge boost and they're using a different color pallette. I hope it remains consistent with all upcoming episodes.

[Sage Ninja]

Trunks and gotten are still elementary school age in super, not teenagers. And bulma is only 38. Bulma should be like 46-47 at this point according to the original time line for dragon ball, but toriyama tweaked the timeline to suit his narrative purposes for super. It happens sometimes, especially in shows the end for a long time and then come back.

[CyberCubed]

Bulma lied about her age in the party, Krillin says, "That can't be right" after she says her age.

And Trunks and Goten are supposed to be at least 12-13 by now. Gohan was only 16 in the Buu saga...he's now in his early 20's and has a child.

[Sage Ninja]

I saw it in an video talking about an interview Toriyama gave where he talked about the age discrepancy. I'll have to go look for it.

[Coola Yagami]

I guess they didn't want to change too much and keep things as familiar as possible. Maybe they were afraid the fans would hate the older Trunks and Goten like they did the GT Trunks and Goten.

[CyberCubed]

I guess they didn't want to change too much and keep things as familiar as possible. Maybe they were afraid the fans would hate the older Trunks and Goten like they did the GT Trunks and Goten.

They're probably going to do to the end of DBZ after this arc. With Bulma being pregnant and Bra being born soon, I think this will be the last arc with the current cast before the timeskip. It makes sense too since everyone is getting one last hurrah in the action...aside from Yamcha I guess.

The next Super arc will likely focus on Pan and Uub, with hopefully adult Trunks and Goten as the new major characters. Which is what I wanted out of a new Dragonball show in the first place.

[Coola Yagami]

They're probably going to do to the end of DBZ after this arc. With Bulma being pregnant and Bra being born soon, I think this will be the last arc with the current cast before the timeskip. It makes sense too since everyone is getting one last hurrah in the action...aside from Yamcha I guess.

The next Super arc will likely focus on Pan and Uub, with hopefully adult Trunks and Goten as the new major characters. Which is what I wanted out of a new Dragonball show in the first place.

I'd say they wouldn't create a whole new intro for just one arc.... but then again... Buu saga. Both regular DBZ and Kai.

[DestronMirage22]

Saw the latest episode. The animation is looking better, but I say it still has room to improve.
Beerus and Goku's confrontation was interesting, Goku was pretty smart in that scene. Finally, the Universal Tournament is about to begin!! Oh, and Bulma's finally pregnant too. Vegeta was good in his scene too, a very responsible husband and father. Goku should take some notes. :lol:

[Redeemer]

There's virtually no difference in teen/adult Trunks design assuming our present day Trunks looks identical to Future Trunks when he ages.

For example Future Trunks was 17 in the Cell arc. He just came back in the Zamasu arc and he's 31 now. Yet he looks exactly the same as he did when he was a teenager. If 30 year old Trunks looks just like 17 year old Trunks, I imagine the present day Trunks would age similarly.

Also I really like Goten's adult/teen design at the end of DBZ, much better than the GT design he had. I really hope we see more of older Goten, because as he is right now they're probably never going to do anything with kid Goten ever again.

Yet if you swapped current Gohan in his current look for his Orange Star High School outfit, he'd look pretty much the same. Maybe a bit skinnier now, if anything.



Again, this kind of highlights how Toriyama handles aging in general, typically... Aside from Gohan noticeably growing a bit between the Namek/Frieza sagas and the Cell arcs, most Dragon Ball characters have a pretty standard "kid" size into their early teen years, then a big growth spurt when they're 16 or so, which then doesn't change too much into adulthood.

So just so everyone knows. Sayans do not physically age the same way Humans do, Hence why Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, and Future Trunks do not physically age.

Why Krillin doesn't look much order....well......who knows lol

[CyberCubed]

So just so everyone knows. Sayans do not physically age the same way Humans do, Hence why Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, and Future Trunks do not physically age.

Why Krillin doesn't look much order....well......who knows lol

The humans don't age either and they're all in their 40's now.

Krillin, Bulma, Yamcha, Tien and Yajirobe are all in their mid 40's now. They don't look any older than they did in the Saiyan saga. I'd love to know what anti-aging methods they have in the Dragonball universe.

Hell, Mr. Satan has got to be pushing 50 himself given he has a 23 year old daughter.

[Coola Yagami]

The humans don't age either and they're all in their 40's now.

Krillin, Bulma, Yamcha, Tien and Yajirobe are all in their mid 40's now. They don't look any older than they did in the Saiyan saga. I'd love to know what anti-aging methods they have in the Dragonball universe.

Hell, Mr. Satan has got to be pushing 50 himself given he has a 23 year old daughter.

Satan at least lost a lot of muscle since the cell days (and got a tan apparently), so he does looked aged. The other humans...? Not so much.

[CyberCubed]

Satan at least lost a lot of muscle since the cell days (and got a tan apparently), so he does looked aged. The other humans...? Not so much.

Bulma reminds me of those real life actress/models/singers who continue to make themselves look good despite their aging in their 40's and 50's by undergoing plastic surgery or whatever to keep themselves looking young.

Although Bulma does look very aged in the last 3 episodes of DBZ during the timeskip. If they ever go back to that era, I wonder if they'll redesign Bulma to make her younger again. She was around 50 at that point.

[Allio]

Goku is now literally worse than Zamas

[Anarchistguy]

I noticed the huge boost in quality. Thanks to that, this show finally feels like Dragon Ball.

[Coola Yagami]

I noticed that Satan lost the tan and looks more like his DBZ self.

[CyberCubed]

I still can't believe there's a new Dragonball series going on. Just a few years ago the idea of a new Dragonball anime airing weekly was nothing but a pipedream.

I still remember in the early 2000's when those of us growing up with the dub wondering if Dragonball would ever continue and we were constantly told, "Dragonball ended way back in 1996 a decade ago! After GT bombed Toei will never make another series!"

How ironic. Then again I never believed there would be new Star Wars movies set after episode 6 with Luke/Han/Leia returning as old people either, but here we are.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Then again I never believed there would be new Star Wars movies set after episode 6 with Luke/Han/Leia returning as old people either, but here we are.

Are you serious?!:lol:

[CyberCubed]

Are you serious?!:lol:

Uh, yes? Nobody ever believed there would be a Star Wars Episode 7 or beyond for years. Much less with the original cast reprising their roles.

I remember in the 90's and early 2000's people would always joke about it and say, "What if they made more movies taking place after Episode 6 with Luke, Han and Leia?" or something like that, and it was always laughed at. Nobody believed it would ever happen.

Harrisson Ford also said many times in the 90's he never wanted to play Han Solo again.

[Coola Yagami]

Yeah, even if they did make some new star wars movie, noone woulda guessed they'd bring back Luke, Leia and Han.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Well, I didn't expect them to have major roles as a new cast would likely be the case. But with how big Star Wars is, reboot or sequel, I did expect there to be another one.....years later, though.

Back on topic, I do like the new intro.

[Anarchistguy]

Wow....tonight's episode made me feel like a kid again!!

[Coola Yagami]

Wow....tonight's episode made me feel like a kid again!!

What? Do you mean the Japanese one? I don't think they aired today's CN ep yet unless it's a time zone thing.

[Anarchistguy]

What? Do you mean the Japanese one? I don't think they aired today's CN ep yet unless it's a time zone thing.

Sorry. I meant the japanese one lol. I felt the same excitement I used to have when I watched DBZ as a kid.

[Coola Yagami]

Sorry. I meant the japanese one lol. I felt the same excitement I felt when I used to have when I watched DBZ as a kid.

Wow. I'll be sure to watch it after I'm done with Adult Swim. Thanks!

[Anarchistguy]

Wow. I'll be sure to watch it after I'm done with Adult Swim. Thanks!

Np! Be sure to post your opinion of the ep! :D

[CyberCubed]

Majin Buu is awesome. Fantastic episode. I just can't believe how much better Super has gotten. It's unbelieveable. I've been really enjoying it since the start of the Zamasu arc, but it seems to get consistently better now as it goes on.

If you told me even only a few years ago that in the year 2017 I would be watching new Dragonball episodes and enjoying them as a fully grown adult, I would have burst out laughing. Hot damn, I guess you never know.

[Coola Yagami]

Np! Be sure to post your opinion of the ep! :D

I loved it, especially since Buu won. I have to say, this is already blowing GT out of the water. Buu has gotten way more exposure and way more props here than in GT. Sure he was kinda underused in Super, but in this episode, he finally got to shine. It would have been so easy for them to make the wolf guy win just to play up how powerful these new guys are, and I would have understood that it's to help hype up the other universes, but the fact remains that Buu would have to had lost. I'm glad he still won.

The fact that the gang can't sense their ki will also make things interesting because they can't tell how weak or strong the opponents are.

[CyberCubed]

Yeah I was really disappointed when Buu wasn't used in the Champa tournament. He and Botamo could have had a good battle instead of the boring one he had with Goku. The fact that Toei's advertisements showed Buu fighting Botamo when it never happened in the show only stung more. That yellow bear looks like he was created for Buu and it's bizarre we didn't get to see them fight.

[Anarchistguy]

Another good episode. This show has been on a roll, recently!

[CyberCubed]

I'm glad they confirmed the angels like Whis don't get erased in their universe. Too bad Beerus and the Kai's are screwed. :lol:

[Anarchistguy]

This was an expositional episode, so I don't mind the fight not being as cool, but it was still an awesome episode.

[Coola Yagami]

So no thoughts on Freeza teaming up with the gang to help save the universe?

[Anarchistguy]

Its weird that Goku even thought that. Lets see where this goes...

[CyberCubed]

So no thoughts on Freeza teaming up with the gang to help save the universe?

Considering it's heavily implied Freeza will betray the team or is scheming with his own agenda, and Goku is only letting him out of Hell for 24 hours, I don't see the problem.

Realistically Goku should be finding the strongest fighters in their universe instead of using say...Master Roshi who literally makes no sense being there, so I can see why Freeza who is essentially the third strongest main fighter in their universe would be chosen. Of course it depends how the tournament arc is written, it's obvious Freeza wants to get out of Hell and be revived, but I don't think the main cast will allow it even if Goku does.

[sdp]

Man, looking at this as an outsider it all sounds terrible, you have a female brolly now? Freeza who had essentially become worthless powerwise is now strong again? I guess that's explained in the second revival movie but it still all reads like fanfic.

[CyberCubed]

Man, looking at this as an outsider it all sounds terrible, you have a female brolly now? Freeza who had essentially become worthless powerwise is now strong again? I guess that's explained in the second revival movie but it still all reads like fanfic.

Anything from Dragonball sounds terrible when you read about it, but actually watching it in the show are two different things. It's all about execution.

Hell back in DBZ before you watched it, if someone said there was a saga where Vegeta and Bulma have a Saiyan child who comes back in time from the future, who is also a Super Saiyan, and kills a Cyborg Freeza warning people about killer Androids who are somehow stronger than Super Saiyan Goku and that he dies of a heart virus and this would happen in the next saga...it all sounds ridiculous and like fanfiction.

[Slade]

Anything from Dragonball sounds terrible when you read about it, but actually watching it in the show are two different things. It's all about execution.

Hell back in DBZ before you watched it, if someone said there was a saga where Vegeta and Bulma have a Saiyan child who comes back in time from the future, who is also a Super Saiyan, and kills a Cyborg Freeza warning people about killer Androids who are somehow stronger than Super Saiyan Goku and that he dies of a heart virus and this would happen in the next saga...it all sounds ridiculous and like fanfiction.

Heh, I did hear about it before I saw it, I thought it sounded pretty damn cool.



I'm ready for this tournament to hurry and start. They've sure crammed a hell of a lot in an hour and thirty minutes.
Seeing Freeza and Goku team up in this next ep against the Universe 4(was it 4)assassins will be wild.


Everyone is all up in arms about the Universe 6 Saiyans. I really hope they get demolished.

[CyberCubed]

My guess is this is the last arc before they do a timeskip to the end of DBZ with Uub, Pan and adult Trunks/Goten....so they're giving the current main cast "one last hurrah" before they move on from them.

You can tell they're making a much bigger deal of this arc which is why it's gone on so long and the tournament hasn't even started yet.

[Coola Yagami]

I guess its also to give more reason for an all new theme song. I mean it would be dumb to make an all new intro thats basically all about the tournament and make it only last 5 episodes or so.

[Coola Yagami]

I had my doubts but I really am enjoying Freeza making another comeback with a little more to do than just 'grrr kill Goku'. I liked the uneasy camaraderie between him and Goku and the fact they'll have to fight assassins together.

Loved the 'my hand slipped' sucker punch bit between the 2.

[Vegita-San]

the idea of this seemed like fan fiction, but they managed to make it fun so far.

'the my hand slipped' joke was really unexpected and really well done at how they seem to have become frenemies :)

[DestronMirage22]

Bumping this thread just to say that this show is freaking great.
It’s had some minor issues, but for the most part it’s felt like the true successor to DBZ we waited so long for.
The animation has improved a lot since the beginning, and the fights look great. The character designs are really good too, and the story’s pretty captivating.
Here’s hoping it (and the manga) last for a while.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Bumping this thread just to say that this show is freaking great.
It’s had some minor issues, but for the most part it’s felt like the true successor to DBZ we waited so long for.
The animation has improved a lot since the beginning, and the fights look great. The character designs are really good too, and the story’s pretty captivating.
Here’s hoping it (and the manga) last for a while.

I agree, I'm happy that the Dragonball series is still continuing and that the series its continuing through is so good in it of itself.

Lots of funny moments, one of my favourites is when Goku does "100 Trillion" Sit ups and Beerus' reaction to it :lol:

[CyberCubed]

It's improved tremendously from it's early episodes. The movie adaption episodes were atrocious. Remaking the two movies with worse animation and pacing issues was absurd.

The Champa tournament after was just ok but still had poor animation. Super didn't really get good till the Goku Black/Zamasu arc started, and it's been consistently entertaining from there.

Also most of the filler in Super has been top notch and the best part of it.

[Allio]

The black arc went on for way too long

[CyberCubed]

The black arc went on for way too long

It was one of the shortest arcs.

[Allio]

It's actually the second longest (with universal arc of course being the longest) the black arc is as long as the 6vs7 arc, and that's just including 6vs7 filler episodes like clone vegeta.

Even then that isn't what i meant, the arc would have been better had it shortened it by a few episodes the pacing was Way to dragged out.

[Coola Yagami]

Only less than 10 minutes before the tournament ends..

[PApagreg]

You know I have a lot of problems with this arc but if there is on aspect I loved about this TOP is that no one would have expected Android 17 being the MVP of the of this battle royale and I love that idea so much. You have this character who use to be a cocky asshole, put him on the bus for several arcs(with one cameo) and when we see him he gets one of the biggest Toriyama handjobs out there and even goes toe to toe with Goku SSB. 17's personality also helps in which he isn't a hardass fighter like Piccolo/Vegeta/Tien or happy go lucky Buu/Goku/Roshi or "normal" Gohan/Krillian no the guy is laid back and pragmatic and that part about him makes him an interesting addition to the Z fighter Cast

[Vegita-San]

Only less than 10 minutes before the tournament ends..

I wonder if saying Universe 7 was the weakest, was a feint.

Maybe they meant weakest in OVERALL Universe Power. But some of their warriors where some of the strongest theres...hence how they lasted so long.

it didn't really feel forced how they won their way through either.

[CyberCubed]

18 is the MVP of the arc, but seriously though 17 and 18 both getting some major needed screentime was great. Both of them having a friendship with Goku that was never really seen before was well done. 17 and 18 defending and working with Goku is my favorite parts of the arc.

Master Roshi also got a generous comeback with how well he was treated, and I am still interested to see where they go with Freeza after this arc ends. Gohan was handled alright so far but still hasn't had his big moment yet, I hope he's among the final 2 with Goku.

Piccolo and Krillin were kind of treated like afterthoughts, and Tien was handled horribly. They should have had Buu in the tournament instead of Tien, at least we would have gotten some comedic and silly fights out of Buu and Tien literally did next to nothing.

[Allio]

yeah, getting burned out on the arc. Jiren is so uninteresting. He literally has no personality

I'm almost willing to say Jiren beats Goten for worst character in Dragon Ball. And Goten's only contribution is being one half of gotenks

[CyberCubed]

Jiren still hasn't really been focused on yet, I'll wait till the tournament ends to judge him fully.

[Redeemer]

yeah, getting burned out on the arc. Jiren is so uninteresting. He literally has no personality

I'm almost willing to say Jiren beats Goten for worst character in Dragon Ball. And Goten's only contribution is being one half of gotenks

Jiren still hasn't really been focused on yet, I'll wait till the tournament ends to judge him fully.

You guys should read the manga issues, I have heard that one of the manga issue explains Jirens back story and motives for the tournament.

I do agree that the arc is dragging on it should have been wrapped up by now. Whats crazy is that there is going to be a follow up arc to the tournament of power about before the tournament even ends..... This is fan speculation , but bc of the name of the next arc most people think that the grand priest will lead a rebellion against zeno, before the end of the tournament of power or at the end.

[Vegita-San]

i'm still predicting universe 11 will win.

We know universe 7 is fine in the end, but it'll be a shocker.

[Coola Yagami]

Well... it's no surprise that Android 17 (and Freeza) were going to be big names in the tournament. Why bother bringing them back if they were gonna get dropped in the first few minutes. Another reason why the veteran Android 18 got knocked out before her brother the guest star.

I hate that Krillin was the first to go down (I guess cause Yamcha wasn't in it, is he even a fighter anymore to be honest?), but at least he took down a few guys before he went down. Ten Shin Han got it worse, way worse. Roshi and Krillin got entire episodes before they were taken out, and hey, Krillin helped save 18 from an early knockout, so anyone she managed to take out are thanks to him. But wow, Ten didn't even get an episode, just a scene. And then he easily could have used the clones as a way to be 'taken out' while not being taken out, but nope, even the original Ten was taken out.

Jiren doesn't need much personality other than he's awesome and stronger than Goku. I'm sure he'll get developed as the story proceeds.

[Vegita-San]

they havn't done much at all with freiza though.

I would have LOVED an episode that focused on freiza and vegita having to work together to beat an opponent. that never happened. And freiza only had to go golden twice, IIRC and otherwise seems un affected by the whole thing. Same goes for Vegita.

I'm glad we got at least TWO SSJ Transformations during this thing. Although I was hoping for at least One SSJ3 transformation. I would also have liked to see Vegita's Red God Form. This was their opportunity to switch things up a little with things we havn't seen.. and they only really did that with goku.

I personally am not tiring with this arc yet. But I AM curious where they are going to go next. AND what they are going to do with bulmas Japanese VA dying.

[CyberCubed]

I don't think the arc is dragging at all. The problem is only 1 new ep airs a week, and people are used to marathoning Dragonball or at least watching 5 new eps a week like when it aired in the dubs. After this arc ends and you can marathon it rather than waiting for 1 ep a week, it'll flow much better.

I like that it showed how each character was knocked out. When the tournament started many feared half the extra 70 fighters would be knocked out off-screen or in a quick montage and only focus on the important characters.

The entire main cast has been handled well except for Tien, as I said I wish Buu was in the tournament instead due to his power and his comical and silly battles. I'd rather see Fat Buu make a fool of himself and jump around, shape shift, turn people into candy...etc....then see Tien do nothing.

[Allio]

You guys should read the manga issues, I have heard that one of the manga issue explains Jirens back story and motives for the tournament.


It doesn’t explain anything about Jiren. Reading the manga, toppo and Goku just fought and Toppo just told Goku about someone stronger than him.

[PApagreg]

It doesn’t explain anything about Jiren. Reading the manga, toppo and Goku just fought and Toppo just told Goku about someone stronger than him.

I mean it does we learn that orginally Jiren decline to be in the TOP because he didn't want to take part in a competition that meant erasing other universes and said that if universe 11 was in any danger he would leave the Tournment. Its not much but it gives us some character.

[Allio]

Did a recent come out?

[Coola Yagami]

they havn't done much at all with freiza though.

And freiza only had to go golden twice, IIRC and otherwise seems un affected by the whole thing.

I'm sure he'll get more focus now. I am looking forward to seeing Freeza have trouble against someone that isn't Goku. So far he's been picking off all the weaker opponents one by one, and also making sure that Goku doesn't get tossed out.

I mean to be honest, Freeza did have some good scenes with Cabba, and of course, there was the whole part with him seemingly working with Frost only to double cross him in the end.

I do have to say, Freeza has learned to swallow his pride some. The Freeza back in DBZ would recklessly attack Kefla, Hit and Jiren because in his mind, he's the most powerful in the universe and there possibly can't be anyone more powerful than him. He's now learned to be sneakier and try to outsmart his enemies, with whatever plot he has in store for Zeno and whatnot, but also to stand back and let Goku and the rest deal with the stronger opponents that might have possibly been able to throw him off the platform. Ironically, Freeza has learned to tone down his ego faster than Vegeta.

[PApagreg]

Did a recent come out?

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https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/chapter/dragon-ball-super-chapter-30/6460?read=1

[Vegita-San]

I'm sure he'll get more focus now. I am looking forward to seeing Freeza have trouble against someone that isn't Goku. So far he's been picking off all the weaker opponents one by one, and also making sure that Goku doesn't get tossed out.

I mean to be honest, Freeza did have some good scenes with Cabba, and of course, there was the whole part with him seemingly working with Frost only to double cross him in the end.

I do have to say, Freeza has learned to swallow his pride some. The Freeza back in DBZ would recklessly attack Kefla, Hit and Jiren because in his mind, he's the most powerful in the universe and there possibly can't be anyone more powerful than him. He's now learned to be sneakier and try to outsmart his enemies, with whatever plot he has in store for Zeno and whatnot, but also to stand back and let Goku and the rest deal with the stronger opponents that might have possibly been able to throw him off the platform. Ironically, Freeza has learned to tone down his ego faster than Vegeta.


true. i'm not sure where they are planning to go with freiza at this point. he's still evil, but as you said, he's learning to work with others to further his goals. I'm not really sure I want him to turn into an anti hero like piccolo....but the idea is interesting.

[Coola Yagami]

true. i'm not sure where they are planning to go with freiza at this point. he's still evil, but as you said, he's learning to work with others to further his goals. I'm not really sure I want him to turn into an anti hero like piccolo....but the idea is interesting.

It's hard to say. So far his main goal is to use the Super Dragonballs to become more powerful than Zeno (which is kinda weird, I assume even if he tried the wish, Zeno can just be like 'nope' and erase the dragon before it can do anything). We'll see how it goes. I doubt he'd ever be an anti-hero. He'll still want to try to rule the galaxy again... or something. Gohan helped Piccolo turn good, Bulma helped Vegeta turn good....ish.... I don't know who would help Freeza turn good. He still has too much of a hate relationship with Goku.

[PApagreg]

It's hard to say. So far his main goal is to use the Super Dragonballs to become more powerful than Zeno (which is kinda weird, I assume even if he tried the wish, Zeno can just be like 'nope' and erase the dragon before it can do anything). We'll see how it goes. I doubt he'd ever be an anti-hero. He'll still want to try to rule the galaxy again... or something. Gohan helped Piccolo turn good, Bulma helped Vegeta turn good....ish.... I don't know who would help Freeza turn good. He still has too much of a hate relationship with Goku.

There is no way Frieza is going to turn good at least with Vegeta one could argue that nurture played a big role in his development but Frieza is too irredeemable for a Heel-Face turn. Don't get me wrong Vegeta was a bastard slaughtering innocent Namekians but Frieza pretty much does things like that every other week

[PApagreg]

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Also if anyone wants more of an depth look of Tien's character history check out this video

[Vegita-San]

There is no way Frieza is going to turn good at least with Vegeta one could argue that nurture played a big role in his development but Frieza is too irredeemable for a Heel-Face turn. Don't get me wrong Vegeta was a bastard slaughtering innocent Namekians but Frieza pretty much does things like that every other week

beerus blows up a planet and kills millions once a week.. and he's more or less converted at this point, considering how he's acted during the tournament.

[PApagreg]

beerus blows up a planet and kills millions once a week.. and he's more or less converted at this point, considering how he's acted during the tournament.

Beerus is the God of Destruction thats basically his job(even if he sucks at it)

[Vegita-San]

true, but doesn't make it any less evil. if he can convert, no reason freiza can't.

although i kind of hope he doesn't

[Coola Yagami]

Beerus is the God of Destruction thats basically his job(even if he sucks at it)

Yeah, Beerus is basically the Galactus of DBZ. Well... him and all the other Gods of Destructions. They're not evil, it's just their job.

I'm confused as to what the Angels' roles are. Just to keep the GoDs in line?

[PApagreg]

true, but doesn't make it any less evil. if he can convert, no reason freiza can't.

although i kind of hope he doesn't

Well its less him being evil and more having "Blue and Orange" morality sure you can argue he became nicer but he will probably still destroy planets

[Allio]

I want Frieza to train Bra.

That would be Vegeta’s ultimate suffering.

[CyberCubed]

It's kinda of bizarre Freeza is constantly brought back now, like all of a sudden he's now the "Darth Vader," or "The Joker," or "The Shredder" of the Dragonball franchise. When originally even though Freeza came back a few times, he was killed off permanently and Dragonball has a new villain every arc.

I guess now they just feel they need a main iconic villain for Dragonball and Freeza was always that, but it makes it feel too much like western superhero comics where the main villain keeps coming back over and over.

He's not going to go quietly back into Hell after this arc ends, and I don't see them killing him off yet again so soon. He's either going to be a recurring villain for a while or go off into space somewhere and train or rebuild an army and come back in a later arc. I just hope it's not too repetitive.

[Coola Yagami]

It's kinda of bizarre Freeza is constantly brought back now, like all of a sudden he's now the "Darth Vader," or "The Joker," or "The Shredder" of the Dragonball franchise.

In a way, he kinda is. He's the reason the Saiyan race is near extinct, and his saga helped turn Vegeta from a saga villain to a recurring character. It took forever for Vegeta to finally stop wearing Freeza's uniform too.

[Redeemer]

I want Frieza to train Bra.

That would be Vegeta’s ultimate suffering.

????? who??????

[Allio]

????? who??????

Frieza. The white and purple F.A.G.

[CyberCubed]

He was probably asking who Bra was. :lol:

[Allio]

He was probably asking who Bra was. :lol:

Come on, you were supposed to say Vegeta. Follow the joke.

[CyberCubed]

I wonder when Bejita's and Bloomer's son Trunkasaku who killed Furizza will find out Artificial human Lapiz and Lazuli saved Son Gokuu in the TOP, whereas Kuririn lost early and Muten Roshi sama did better and Shin Kaio praised them.

[Allio]

That settles it.

Cyber cubed is a dirty Ningen

[Allio]

Can we agree Zangya is hottest dbz girl?

[Coola Yagami]

Can we agree Zangya is hottest dbz girl?

IDK... we still have Android 18.... and Bulma from several points of the series. Future Mai from the Goku Black arc is also cute.

[Vegita-San]

It's a Tie between 18 and Videl for me as the most balanced, cooler dbz women. the rest are a bit too high strung or crazy.

[PApagreg]

IDK... we still have Android 18.... and Bulma from several points of the series. Future Mai from the Goku Black arc is also cute.

I kinda like Dragonball Mai better, she had that femme fatale look that I digged.

Also if we are talking about best Dragonball girls I gotta pick Bad Launch

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/yandere/images/e/e3/Tumblr_lrrpzaIIPk1ql9v4ao2_r1_500.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150709180424

It's a Tie between 18 and Videl for me as the most balanced, cooler dbz women. the rest are a bit too high strung or crazy.
Aww Geets I thought you liked high strunged women

[Allio]

Launch in general is great. Get a girl that can do both

[Vegita-San]

Aww Geets I thought you liked high strunged women

I'm high strung enough. I need someone calm. if they can also kick ass should be needed ...:).

[CyberCubed]

Ribrianne was a hot and spicy dish in her second form. I'm glad fat women have representation in Dragonball now. It seems Dragonball has adjusted to modern times, more female fighters, more gay fighters, what a time to be alive.

[Allio]

When was there a gay fighter? I mean Zarbon is just effeminate, which mirrored his monster form.

[Anarchistguy]

When was there a gay fighter? I mean Zarbon is just effeminate, which mirrored his monster form.

General Blue from the Red Ribbon Army

[Allio]

From the way cubed spoke this was recent

Oh, kale. I forgot all about her

[CyberCubed]

I wasn't even thinking of Kale (or Caulifa), given the implied lesbianism is there.

I meant that big blue guy from Universe 2. A lot of the muscle bound fighters from Gowasu's universe, like the pretty boy with the rose (looked similar to Zarbon), were based on stereotypes like all anime does.

[Coola Yagami]

I wasn't even thinking of Kale (or Caulifa), given the implied lesbianism is there.

I meant that big blue guy from Universe 2. A lot of the muscle bound fighters from Gowasu's universe, like the pretty boy with the rose (looked similar to Zarbon), were based on stereotypes like all anime does.

With the possible exception of Kale (Caulifla seems either oblivious or uninterested), I didn't see any gay fighters in the tournament. I mean the possible exception is the rose guy, but there are vain feminine guys like that that are actually straight, like Vega from Street Fighter for example.

Besides, Team Four Star jokes aside, there was nothing really confirming Zarbon was gay. Unlike General Blue, Zarbon didn't have any suggestive lines. He was just too in love with himself.

[CyberCubed]

Hopefully after the TOP ends they finally do the timeskip to the end of DBZ, which is what I wanted from Super to begin with.

Trunks and Goten as older teens/adults, Goku training Uub, maybe even some focus on Pan/Bra, etc. It seems like the writers don't want anything to do with Trunks and Goten as kids, so hopefully when they finally age them they'll treat them as main characters again. Goku training Uub also now oddly makes sense, if he was born with the powers of Kid Buu he could be on God level or above with just a few months of training.

I also really like older Goten's design. He stops looking like a Goku clone and instead looks like a fusion between Gohan and Yamcha. Then again all of Gohan's haircuts resembled Yamcha's too, so both of Goku's sons are essentially Yamcha.

[Coola Yagami]

The show is either going on hiatus or is flat out over.

[Vegita-San]

The show is either going on hiatus or is flat out over.

where did you hear this? It can't be because they lost bulma's VA. they've lost people before and still continued.

[CyberCubed]

It is confirmed ending in March after the current arc ends. There's a movie coming out in December, and they said Dragonball will continue next year.

Most likely the next series will start in April 2019 rebranded moving on to EOZ.

[sdp]

To me Dragon Ball Super always felt unecessary and everything I ever read about it seemed so stupid and straight out of a fanfic. I think cubed was the one who told me "once you watch it you see it works" or something along those lines.

I finally watched 3 episodes of Dragon Ball Super, and I had a blast, and they were even filler episodes I'm guessing, it was Goku and Vegeta training with Berus' master. The comedy totally worked and wanted to watch more. Hearing the same dub voices of when I was little only exemplified it.

And I only stumbled into it by accident, I don't normally turn the tv on if it's not to watch Netflix or stream so I never see what's on TV but there it was and just stayed up watching the few episodes.

If Super ends I don't know if it would be the worst, the series has to end, the power creep that happens each time is just too much. And out of nowhere got an impressive episode count, I still feel like the show just started but it's already surpassed GT and almost got as many episodes as the original Dragon Ball. That's no small feat.

[CyberCubed]

Super will have 131 episodes when it ends in March. It's actually hard to believe we got another 100+ episode series of Dragonball, it really came out of nowhere.

And we're not done, even with the show stopping for now we're getting another series in 2019, most likely moving ahead to the end of DBZ where Trunks and Goten were adults and Goku training Uub and Pan...hopefully.

[Vegita-San]

Notice how they are trying to make us forget Freiza?

he pops in every now and then, but he's still one of the final three.

What are the chances he becomes a god of destruction? or an 'angel' strength?

[Allio]

welp...now that we know Jiren's character now...he really just a generic "MUH STRENGTH" character.

[Anarchistguy]

I just read the manga version and it is miles and miles better than the anime.

The tournament of power just began in the manga and they covered three months of pointless anime bs in two chapters.

And Jiren has an actual personality..I mean holy sh**!!!

[Allio]

Notice how they are trying to make us forget Freiza?

he pops in every now and then, but he's still one of the final three.

What are the chances he becomes a god of destruction? or an 'angel' strength?

Only ways I would accept the endings

Goku and Jiren knock each other out and universe 7 is the winner because Frieza is unconscious but still in the ring

Or Jiren beats Goku and Frieza gets the cheap shot to win

[Slade]

It is confirmed ending in March after the current arc ends. There's a movie coming out in December, and they said Dragonball will continue next year.

Most likely the next series will start in April 2019 rebranded moving on to EOZ.

Ending in March and movie in December are only things confirmed. Anything else is speculation at this point.

Possibility that something will be on air in 2020 for Japan Olympics seeing as Goku is one of the ambassadors.

[CyberCubed]

Yeah, I just hope the next series is set at the end of DBZ. I feel like I've been waiting 15 years for the arc with adult Trunks/Goten, Goku training Uub, and Pan to start from the end of DBZ. For Japanese fans its over 22 years since DBZ ended in 1995. :lol:

It's also obvious they're not ever going to allow Trunks/Goten to fight again until they're adults, so I really hope they do the timeskip to the end of DBZ with the next arc.

[PApagreg]

You know its funny despite being sort of the grandaddy of Shonen and pretty much making transformations popular DBZ gives protagonist crap looking transformations. I mean Goku's transformation not counting the Great ape pretty much change his Aura or hair.

Compare Mastered Ultra Instinct to Gear 4th Boundman

https://78.media.tumblr.com/f60c03fa0bdfee29ff76dd37c2fd9dfa/tumblr_o12wym2TOA1qlsrn9o1_500.gif

[CyberCubed]

I blame the western meme hate for Super Saiyan 3, which actually did look like an ultimate form transformation.

Because of that the new Saiyan forms just went back to color swaps with Super Saiyan God (red), Blue, and now Ultra Instinct. Looking back Super Saiyan 3 really was something different.

[sdp]

What SSJ3 meme? SSJ3 was pretty cool though not as "stylish" and barely ever used.

SSJ4 looks so awesome in comparison to the forms in Super. I've really grown to like it over the years, I used to hate it as a kid. The red/blue SSJ look awful, ultra instinct looks fine.

[Coola Yagami]

I blame the western meme hate for Super Saiyan 3, which actually did look like an ultimate form transformation.

Because of that the new Saiyan forms just went back to color swaps with Super Saiyan God (red), Blue, and now Ultra Instinct. Looking back Super Saiyan 3 really was something different.

What nonsense are you talking about this time? Super Saiyan 3 was in the 90's way before internet and memes ever became a thing. A Japanese show isn't going to care what Americans think. We can love DBZ all we want but if the series wasn't such a huge hit and nostalgic classic in Japan we never would have gotten Super or anything else.

[JH24]

I don't know what it is, but I'm just not enjoying this as much anymore. This arc started so well, but they dragged out the Goku/Vegeta vs Jiren fight so much. Just one power-up after another. They shouldn't have been able to even stand yet they can go SSB again within a minute or two.

I know this is what happens in DB, but they took it to the extreme in this tournament. The way Jiren failed to eliminate his opponents over and over again was ridiculous. What's the point in having ultimate strength if you let your opponents bounce back again and again?

[Vegita-San]

that is the trap of dragonball.

characters are weak....characters power up. wash rinse repeat.
Even the trunks story repeated itself with another dark future.

question is, can they make the story itself fun so fans can put up with the repeated stuff? I think for the most part they did.

[sdp]

This is why I haven't been excited for Super and never cared for it. I loved DB as a kid and especially the end when it was King Piccolo v Goku. When DBZ came out and it was more stuff like Piccolo v Goku but with raised stakes I was all over it. But yeah after the Saiyan, Freeza, Android, Cell saga things were getting a bit tired with the formula. The buu saga at least spiced things up by adding tons of crazy different ideas to the normal power creep strategy they had been doing.

GT was a return to DB style stories so even though it had annoying things it was a breath of fresh air and when they switched to a more DBZ approach it worked, I loved the ideas for it and the ending to the story made more sense than say the Buu saga at least for closure to the story of Goku. I enjoyed the different specials/movies that came out before Super because they were one off things and comedic for the most part.

But Super going back to the DBZ style is just ridiculous, at times I really want to see it and others I am wondering how people can still enjoy it. As I mentioned I did get to watch some episodes of Super and had a blast, they were mostly comedy oriented episodes which really worked for me. But yeah I'm not sure where the franchise should go after this, do people really want more DBZ style action with the same characters? It would mean how many more powerups for Goku? The video games with what if scenarios and re-drawn scenes seem to be far more interesting. Would they ever consider moving away from Goku? Would that even really fix the problems as Gohan or whoever took the mantle would be Goku in everything sans name.

I hate butting in without having really watched Super but I can't help but get into the hype when people keep talking about a franchise I enjoy.

[Coola Yagami]

I don't know what it is, but I'm just not enjoying this as much anymore. This arc started so well, but they dragged out the Goku/Vegeta vs Jiren fight so much. Just one power-up after another. They shouldn't have been able to even stand yet they can go SSB again within a minute or two.

I know this is what happens in DB, but they took it to the extreme in this tournament. The way Jiren failed to eliminate his opponents over and over again was ridiculous. What's the point in having ultimate strength if you let your opponents bounce back again and again?

I kinda sorta agree. One thing is a hero having resolve, as many shonen characters have *coughs* Ichigo *coughs*, but it's another thing when it's obvious the only reason a certain character isn't dead yet is because he's a main character.

The part that got me the most was the Goku Black saga with the constant characters getting impaled. I kinda wish they didn't give the villains sharp weapons because it was ridiculous seeing Vegeta get run through and not bleed out and die. At least when Freeza blasted the heck out of Gohan there was that danger that he was going to die.

The only thing I'm a bit hesitant about the new series is the obligatory transformations. That's just how it goes, DBZ has gotten so known for transformations that a new series simply must have them. I kinda feel Ultra Instinct should just be it. But clearly the next series is going to have some new character make Ultra Instinct Goku his bitch and force him to reach Super Mega Ultimate Instinct and other such nonsense.

[Vegita-San]

yeah. it would be nice if they moved away from goku.

i'm still rather annoyed they made videl a simple housewife. takes away alot of her fun character. but at least 18 still knows how to fight.

I thought it would be fun if they gave the non saiyan characters saiyan DNA, so at least they could keep up on the power level side of things.

One good thing about super though is that it gave Vegita a little bit more development. him being so happy he trained cabba to go super saiyan as he got bombarded by attacks is one of the greater series moments.

Although I do think Super is a nice mix of db style humor and dbz style action. one of the things i like about it.

[Coola Yagami]

Super also has the best fillers. I liked the way Super showed the characters and their lives, and somehow it flowed more natural here than in DB/DBZ. Even the mini Saiyaman movie arc, I liked seeing a big of Gohan and Videl's normal life. It reminds you what he's fighting for later on.

People give Chichi flack for how she raised Gohan, but she did raise him to be a normal guy that was able to find a hot wife, form a family and have a good job. Gohan was never meant to be a warrior and any time he fought in DBZ was so he could be able to return to a life of peace, unlike the other characters that would just go back to training and fighting. She didn't want Gohan to grow up to be a dumbass like Goku and she succeeded.

[CyberCubed]

If they would move away from Goku and focus on the younger generation like Trunks, Goten, Uub, Pan, Bra and Marron, you have a whole new cast of younger characters that aren't that strong (Trunks and Goten are only Super Saiyan 1's, besides Gotenks being SSJ3 which is nothing now), and have them fight a new bunch of villains.

Goku should go off to become a God and leave the Earth. I hope Dragonball comes back it takes place after the end of DBZ.

[sdp]

Most people would love that but most people see Dragon Ball = Goku so they won't do it to their big money maker, especially after how badly received GT was, and that one had Goku. So I don't see them changing up the formula too much from Z.

[Vegita-San]

Super also has the best fillers. I liked the way Super showed the characters and their lives, and somehow it flowed more natural here than in DB/DBZ. Even the mini Saiyaman movie arc, I liked seeing a big of Gohan and Videl's normal life. It reminds you what he's fighting for later on.

People give Chichi flack for how she raised Gohan, but she did raise him to be a normal guy that was able to find a hot wife, form a family and have a good job. Gohan was never meant to be a warrior and any time he fought in DBZ was so he could be able to return to a life of peace, unlike the other characters that would just go back to training and fighting. She didn't want Gohan to grow up to be a dumbass like Goku and she succeeded.

agreed. Saiyaman can be a rather annoying character if not done right, but I rather enjoyed that brief two parter with Gohan in Super and it gave Videl something to do other than be a housewife.

I think it'd be rather interesting if they made satan something other than a comic character too. could be a fun story to see him try and pick up his training again and get to the level of a krillin or tenshinhan.

[Vegita-San]

17 explodes himself, but somehow comes back? better be a damn good explanation. sigh.


I'm calling it now. all the universes get restored.

But I have NO idea how they are going to tie it all up in one episode. should have ended in 130.

[Coola Yagami]

17 explodes himself, but somehow comes back? better be a damn good explanation. sigh.


I'm calling it now. all the universes get restored.

But I have NO idea how they are going to tie it all up in one episode. should have ended in 130.

Or rather, the fight should have ended now and the next episode would have been all the post battle stuff, like having the characters go back home, showing whatever the wish would be, and so forth.

I have no idea how they're gonna end the next episode unless it's an hour long special or something. At this rate it looks like the they'll defeat Jiren, show Goku raise his arm in victory, roll end credits. Ran out of time to show anything else.

[CyberCubed]

Dragonball is just going on hiatus because they're working on the movie in December, it's not like the show is ending here. Dragonball Super, or a show with a new title, will likely start around March 2019 when the new anime season starts. Toei already said Dragonball isn't over on TV and said it will be back, you can read all the news on kazenshuu.

But I do agree there should have been at least one aftermath episode after the fights ended to wrap everything up. I guess the last ep will be rather rushed, but who knows.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Toriyama loves Goku too much to give other characters the spotlight (Frieza's defeat in Resurrection was the worst for me). Whether Goku stays on Earth or not, it's still good to give those other characters a shot. Even Naruto gets that right, occasionally.

[Vegita-San]

Or rather, the fight should have ended now and the next episode would have been all the post battle stuff, like having the characters go back home, showing whatever the wish would be, and so forth.


isn't that what I said? :)

I'll admit. I have NO idea how this will all end.

If After all that, though, And goku wins as just black haired goku, or even gets up again at all after all that..it'll be dissapointing.

There's no way Freiza and 17 should have survived at all at this point with all that fighting around.


RE: Toyiama. As I recall, in an interview apparently it was the FANS who didn't want to shift it off Goku. Toriyama wanted to pass the torch to Gohan. Twice. But because of how gohan started out a whiner, no one really liked him and didn't appreciate his attempt at character growth.

[PApagreg]

isn't that what I said? :)

I'll admit. I have NO idea how this will all end.

If After all that, though, And goku wins as just black haired goku, or even gets up again at all after all that..it'll be dissapointing.

There's no way Freiza and 17 should have survived at all at this point with all that fighting around.


RE: Toyiama. As I recall, in an interview apparently it was the FANS who didn't want to shift it off Goku. Toriyama wanted to pass the torch to Gohan. Twice. But because of how gohan started out a whiner, no one really liked him and didn't appreciate his attempt at character growth.

At least one could argue that 17 can't get tired and has infinite energy, with all the fighting Goku and Vegeta did they would need at least 3 senzu beans before half time.

[TheCanadiandrome]

17 explodes himself, but somehow comes back? better be a damn good explanation. sigh.


I'm calling it now. all the universes get restored.

But I have NO idea how they are going to tie it all up in one episode. should have ended in 130.

I was thinking the same thing, after universe 7 wins it all, Goku uses his wish to restore everyone, if he survives, to me it seems Goku will die next episode

[Coola Yagami]

I was thinking the same thing, after universe 7 wins it all, Goku uses his wish to restore everyone, if he survives, to me it seems Goku will die next episode

And revive just in time for the new movie this December?

[PApagreg]

And though this series ends lets not forgot hero who enjoyed the most in this arc

THE MVP HIMSELF
https://78.media.tumblr.com/283d234ac5b865fde22830a85d76ccd2/tumblr_p64hbq4jGr1vxwbz5o5_1280.png

[Coola Yagami]

And though this series ends lets not forgot hero who enjoyed the most in this arc

THE MVP HIMSELF
https://78.media.tumblr.com/283d234ac5b865fde22830a85d76ccd2/tumblr_p64hbq4jGr1vxwbz5o5_1280.png

The ending was predictable with some surprising things. Love the way the tournament ended.

[CyberCubed]

All I have to say is thank god Freeza didn't stay on Earth. I was worried he would stay at Capsule Corp when they showed him at the end there, thank god he went back into space to rebuild his empire.

"Good guy Freeza" is not something I ever want to see, him reforming like Vegeta or Piccolo, etc. It would ruin his character and Toriyama/Dragonball would jump the shark. Thankfully he confirmed he's still evil.

Kind of ironic though that now that Freeza knows Universe 7 has barely any planets, I wonder if he will try to invade other universes. He obviously won't attack Earth again anytime soon after he's seen Goku's power.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

"Good guy Freeza" is not something I ever want to see, him reforming like Vegeta or Piccolo, etc. It would ruin his character and Toriyama/Dragonball would jump the shark. Thankfully he confirmed he's still evil.

I'm surprised you actually thought that was a possibility.:lol:

But I'm sure we all knew what the wish was going to be. It was pretty obvious that was going to happen.

[Allio]

What I want is for Bra to go train with Frieza just to drive Vegeta’s suffering home.

[Vegita-San]

The ending was predictable with some surprising things. Love the way the tournament ended.

yeah. they even set it up during the tournament.


I'm super glad Freiza didn't go nice. But Nice-ER is an interesting twist to expand his character a bit more. so he's not just a all out evil brat.

It's interesting that they had him almost immediately go back to his old ways at the end.....sometimes nostalgia tweaking CAN still work to bring a smile. so long as it's not over done.

I guess the preist under estimated universe 7's battle regiment and lowered their power level because of it. there is no way they should have won if they where really the second lowest out of all of them.

[Coola Yagami]

Before they announced the end of the show, several people were expecting the Grand Priest to be up to something, possibly the next saga being about the gang confronting the Angels. Obviously that was shut down when they announced the end of this.

I also liked that Freeza didn't reform, but it does slowly open the door for it though. The next series might lead into him teaming up with Goku and company again against a larger threat. I mean, you can only get your ass kicked (or flat out killed) by the good guys enough times before you think 'the hell with it, I'll just join em or at least back off'. Unlike most comics where the bad guys just go to jail all the time, all of Freeza's battles end in his death. He'll come to realize there'll be a time where if he dies again it'll be for good.

[CyberCubed]

He'll probably be left aside for a while before he discovers a power greater than Goku's. Eventually he'll probably be erased by Beerus if they realize they can no longer contain him.

[Coola Yagami]

He'll probably be left aside for a while before he discovers a power greater than Goku's. Eventually he'll probably be erased by Beerus if they realize they can no longer contain him.

I feel Goku's next step is to get to Jiren's strength on his own. They did the song and dance with Freeza before. and Ressurection F already covered the grandeur of Freeza coming back to wreak havoc. They can't re-create that. I loved him coming back for this saga because was put into new situations that forced him to do other things besides just getting revenge on Goku all the time.

My prediction is Freeza will end up having to help Goku again to stop another huge evil, possibly some bad guy from Jiren's universe that even he would need help against.

[Vegita-San]

Before they announced the end of the show, several people were expecting the Grand Priest to be up to something, possibly the next saga being about the gang confronting the Angels. Obviously that was shut down when they announced the end of this.

I also liked that Freeza didn't reform, but it does slowly open the door for it though. The next series might lead into him teaming up with Goku and company again against a larger threat. I mean, you can only get your ass kicked (or flat out killed) by the good guys enough times before you think 'the hell with it, I'll just join em or at least back off'. Unlike most comics where the bad guys just go to jail all the time, all of Freeza's battles end in his death. He'll come to realize there'll be a time where if he dies again it'll be for good.


I kind of feel the same way. like he'll stay in his own corner of the universe and leave goku alone for a while. they even kind of hinted at that with him saying he was glad goku keeps his word. like he was getting tired of the endless back and forth.

[Coola Yagami]

I kind of feel the same way. like he'll stay in his own corner of the universe and leave goku alone for a while. they even kind of hinted at that with him saying he was glad goku keeps his word. like he was getting tired of the endless back and forth.

At this point, he would be stupid not to.

[ZariusTwo]

So there's now going to an animation department at Toei devoted entirely to Dragonball projects

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2018-03-27/toei-animation-to-establish-department-focused-on-dragon-ball/.129582

[Vegita-San]

watching american dub..

about the only problem i had with this series was that the injuries the characters got basically meant nothing. you could get stabbed through multiple times and still move like nothing happened.

especially noticeable in this weekends ep.

[Coola Yagami]

watching american dub..

about the only problem i had with this series was that the injuries the characters got basically meant nothing. you could get stabbed through multiple times and still move like nothing happened.

especially noticeable in this weekends ep.

It's my biggest complaint regarding the Goku Black saga. Don't give them sharp weapons if they can't really seriously injure someone.

[oldmanwinters]

I think this quote came from one of the episodes were the heroes go to visit Zamasu and Zuno's planet soon before Beerus kills Zamasu. Anybody know if the English dub was close to the original Japanese text?
https://i.imgur.com/XxwGaiZ.jpg

[Vegita-San]

I THINK it was pretty close, IIRC.

They've been pretty good with exact dubs lately. I think they only missed one funny line from the original japanese, that I can't remember at the moment, but I was dissapointed it didn't make the american version.

it was from earlier in the series.

[Allio]

been reading the Super manga and I think I'm kind of getting what irks me about the anime.

Sure the pacing for the anime is hot garbage, though the manga's Tournament of Power suffers from being rushed, I feel like the major problem with Super's anime is that it tries to make everything a spectacle. I mean they made Ultra Instinct, which is described as being a technique rather than a power up, to be this higher than grander scale galactic scale. I suppose the arguement is that the power presented is Goku's own power rather than UI, but he was limited to thinking about his movements in which case UI removed those restrictions.

Where as in the manga it tones it down to, as Dyspo would call it, a normal level. UI is treated as what it should be, a technique. Honestly makes things more entertaining when things are on a more normal level.

also this is a fun animation

lMPBH9FVbVQ

and I agree. Super Goku is stronger than GT Goku, but it wouldn't exactly be a curbstomp as many would think. GT should be able to outlast Super.

[CyberCubed]

Super's TOP is much better than the manga. In the anime every character gets a chance to shine (except for Tenshinhan I guess), and a lot of the other characters from the other universe get good fights besides the ones that were treated as background fodder. Nobody does anything in the manga, you have ridiculous stuff like Roshi dodging Jiren's attacks, Gohan and Kefla's fight is mostly off-panel, it's almost insultingly bad. And all the hype moments from the anime with 18, Piccolo, etc. are gone.

[Allio]

both are honestly awful but for different reasons. But I feel like some people blow this out of proportion. I mean the manga hits about every point the anime anime does aside from GoD Toppo and I think the Nememekians. Though I suppose again trying to cram like 50 god fosaken episodes into like 6 chapters will do that to you.

you have ridiculous stuff like Roshi dodging Jiren's attacks,

Jiren presented never fights at full power he was shown in his universe to only fight to incapacitate. Jiren attacked Roshi with only enough power to win but Roshi's own experience was able to dodge something that was meant to beat him, so Jiren only had to use a little more power to beat him.

One of the worst parts about the dragon ball fandom is the whole power level BS which was thrown out the door since Cell saga.

And boy don't get me started on Anime Jiren. Dude has personality that rivals Goten...almost nothing at all.

[Coola Yagami]

both are honestly awful but for different reasons. But I feel like some people blow this out of proportion. I mean the manga hits about every point the anime anime does aside from GoD Toppo and I think the Nememekians. Though I suppose again trying to cram like 50 god fosaken episodes into like 6 chapters will do that to you.



Jiren presented never fights at full power he was shown in his universe to only fight to incapacitate. Jiren attacked Roshi with only enough power to win but Roshi's own experience was able to dodge something that was meant to beat him, so Jiren only had to use a little more power to beat him.

One of the worst parts about the dragon ball fandom is the whole power level BS which was thrown out the door since Cell saga.

And boy don't get me started on Anime Jiren. Dude has personality that rivals Goten...almost nothing at all.

Well... not everyone needs a crazy quirky personality. Someone extremely serious and of little words is different in the insane world of Dragonball.

[Vegita-San]

One of the worst parts about the dragon ball fandom is the whole power level BS which was thrown out the door since Cell saga.


you mean Tien shouldn't have had ANY chance at holding back form 2 Cell with ANY sort of attack? :)


:D

[Allio]

So spoilers about Broly movie is out

Sounds about what I expected it to be.
It's an expanded "Dragon Ball Minus" + Legendary Broly + Fusion reborn which I think we all expected.

Though one issue I do have.

The final fight between Blue Gogeta and Broly is essentially the entire third act. Which while I haven't seen the movie, so can't make the comparison, but last I checked the timelimit for fusion (Both dance and potara) drains faster the form is. This is shown pretty consistent to this because of SS3 Gotenks and Vegito. So I'm having a hard time seeing how Gogeta lasts long...of course is going off of spoilers presented and there may be information about that that wasn't shared.

Well... not everyone needs a crazy quirky personality. Someone extremely serious and of little words is different in the insane world of Dragonball.

that's the same thought process that got us the original Broly. While I like the guy he has no personality and is popular because of visual and power alone, again like Jiren.

[Slade]

Sounds about what I expected it to be.
It's an expanded "Dragon Ball Minus" + Legendary Broly + Fusion reborn which I think we all expected.

Though one issue I do have.

The final fight between Blue Gogeta and Broly is essentially the entire third act. Which while I haven't seen the movie, so can't make the comparison, but last I checked the timelimit for fusion (Both dance and potara) drains faster the form is. This is shown pretty consistent to this because of SS3 Gotenks and Vegito. So I'm having a hard time seeing how Gogeta lasts long...of course is going off of spoilers presented and there may be information about that that wasn't shared.

Think some of the fight happens in another dimension, possibly time doesn't move the same? Hell, they'll probably forget anyway.

[Allio]

Think some of the fight happens in another dimension, possibly time doesn't move the same? Hell, they'll probably forget anyway.

Yeah, sad to say the dragon ball franchise isn't exactly "quality" story telling.

[samxsteal]

Yeah, sad to say the dragon ball franchise isn't exactly "quality" story telling.

I wouldn't go that far. This movie had much better story telling than alot of the previous dragon Ball movies. IMHO

[Allio]

I mean outside of some of the original aspects such as with Broly/Frieza it is essentially a Frankenstein script of a few dbz films. Not saying it's bad any means, top Five dbz films at least...but that's taking into account most of them are garbage.

[sdp]

I was thinking of watching DBSuper but man it feels so ridiculous and not fun. Fan fic at best. Somehow the DB Heroes which unapologetically goes for fan service is looks more appealing and seems more in line of how ridiculous DBZ would've continued instead of Super which just feels like a rehash. I'm just basing this off of plot descriptions.
Or will my opinion completely change once I watch it?

[CyberCubed]

Watch the two movies, skip the episode adaptions of the Beerus movie and Freeza movie (it's more or less the same story with worse animation, watch the training eps inbetween, and then watch the rest of the show.

Super takes awhile to get going but I enjoyed the Zamasu arc and Tournament of Power.

[ZariusTwo]

I know it's fan made and was one of the earliest urban myths in the anime/manga industry, but I was always a Dragonball AF buff. That dates me.:lol:

[neatoman]

I would say the biggest Super has is that it has this weird obsession with trying to emulate the pacing of Z. Of course, the pacing of Z was atrocious and the only excuse for it was the fact that it needed to be slow in order to stay behind the manga. Super, while there is a manga, is based on the same outline rather than a direct adaptation. The Super anime could have made the Tournament arc like 10 episodes (or any arc of the show really), there was literally no need to make it over 30 but they did it anyway because that is what Z would have done. Of all the things people liked about Z, I don't ever think the pacing was one of them.

[Coola Yagami]

Apparently a new Super movie is coming next year with another surprise character. It got me curious because now we won't know if this will fit before or after all the Moro stuff AND the current Super manga arc.

[CyberCubed]

Outside the Namek saga the pacing of DBZ never bothered me. I love all the training eps in the Saiyan saga, it really makes you feel Gohan, Goku and the others are all learning and growing stronger.

The Cell saga and Boo saga seperated things into separate arcs so even when there was filler it didn't even feel like it most of the time.

It's really only the Namek arc particularly when Goku/Freeza start fighting that the pacing of DBZ is hard to sit through.

[neatoman]

Maybe the pacing bothers me more because I didn't really watch the anime until well after I read the manga twice over (at least, I might have read it more times). However, any fool can see the idiotic episode that is literally just Cell and Gohan firing off a continous energy beam at each other, which started in the previous episode and wouldn't end until the next, is an example of horrible pacing. DBZ as it is has 291 episodes but if they were to remake the whole thing from scratch it would probably be closer to 70.

[ssjup81]

Once again, I forgot about Dragon Ball Super, until this thread popped up. I didn't even see the response to my initial post in this thread. I do remember the first movie was out in Japanese theaters. So I guess watching the movie, and then skipping the recap eps is a place one could start...but I'm not sure if I can garner up enough interest to either watch the show or those movies. Last week, due to nostalgia, I am watching DBZ, but in Japanese. Some things I didn't notice before or catch before, like the fact that Gohan, at age 4, was attending juku. That kid was definitely smarter than I realized and him doing random math equations to pass the time during the Saiya-jin Saga while missing Chichi and Goku was adorable...and yeah, that kid was doing some high-level math. No wonder Chichi was on him about him studying and given how Gohan seems to fight when put into the situation to and the fact that he admitted that he enjoyed studying (but not all subjects), I really do believe him when he says he wants to be a scholar when he grows up. Anyway, on the Namekian Saga now. Just got up to the Ginyu's and man...it's interesting what I can catch now. Their names make more sense to me now. lol

Ignoring all that, with what some have said about Super, I'm a bit hesitant to watch. It's more toned down now, right, given that it air(s/ed) in an earlier slot than the original show, right? I remember while over in Japan, Dragon Ball Kai aired on Sunday mornings (9:00 iirc) and I did catch a couple of eps during the Namek saga. Oh, in Super, there's also SSJ Blue and Goku Black and SSJ God mode or something, right? IMO, for GT (which I know isn't technically canon), but I felt SSJ4 was ridiculous.Outside the Namek saga the pacing of DBZ never bothered me. I love all the training eps in the Saiyan saga, it really makes you feel Gohan, Goku and the others are all learning and growing stronger.

It's really only the Namek arc particularly when Goku/Freeza start fighting that the pacing of DBZ is hard to sit through.The Namek Saga I think was okay with the pacing, but going into the Freiza Saga part of that, the pacing was horrible. Five more minutes until Namek blows up! 20 episodes later, 4.5 minutes, until the planet blows up. lolMaybe the pacing bothers me more because I didn't really watch the anime until well after I read the manga twice over (at least, I might have read it more times). However, any fool can see the idiotic episode that is literally just Cell and Gohan firing off a continous energy beam at each other, which started in the previous episode and wouldn't end until the next, is an example of horrible pacing. DBZ as it is has 291 episodes but if they were to remake the whole thing from scratch it would probably be closer to 70.Well, to be fair, the manga was running at the same time as the original anime. Dragon Ball had pacing problems too for some parts. The manga started in 1984 and the anime started in 1986. DBZ started in 1989 and went on until the mid-90s. They had to find ways to keep the anime ahead. IMO, Dragon Ball or Z in general, would've benefited from having more anime-original stuff tossed in, which it did, but stretching out canon arcs in the way Z did, like padding out a fight, was a bit bothersome at times.