Next X-Men Movie Potentially Called "X-Men: Supernova"

[ZariusTwo]

If recent reports are to be believed, that will either be the official title or is the working title for the seventh main storyline X-Men film (eleventh overall).

The title has been circulating since around mid-December, but until this week was believed to be the working title for Josh Boone's X-Men: The New Mutants. However, that all changed when Production Weekly released their latest issue, for the week of January 12th, which featured not the usual one, but two separate X-Men listings: one for the aforementioned New Mutants spin-off and one for the mysterious X-Men: Supernova.

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/a-new-listing-may-have-uncovered-the-title-of-the-next-x-men-film-plus-a148016

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, "The New Mutants" will be called "The New Mutants"... if and when it happens. Most of these planned X-Men movies by Fox tend to just never materialize.

[ZariusTwo]

Yeah, "The New Mutants" will be called "The New Mutants"... if and when it happens. Most of these planned X-Men movies by Fox tend to just never materialize.

New Mutants has reached the animatic stage, that much we know, and McAvoy is tipped to appear as Xavier.

[Andrew NDB]

New Mutants has reached the animatic stage, that much we know, and McAvoy is tipped to appear as Xavier.

So it's set in the 80s, also? Or present day with McAvoy in aging makeup?

God, these movies are awful. Reboot!

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Well... theory time!

"Supernova" is a code name, and the real name will be "X-Men: Phoenix."

Prophecy time!

It'll suck.

[Andrew NDB]

I wouldn't doubt it. Singer is far from above recycling his own garbage again. Plus he seems obsessed with "correcting" Ratner's X3. And I dunno, people made such a fuss about, "If Singer had done X3 instead of Superman Returns, it would have been INFINITELY better than Ratner's movie!"... but how do we know that? If anything, I'd imagine it'd be slower and significantly smaller.

I wonder if Magneto will become the villain again? :roll:

[ZariusTwo]

FOX may be trying to ape Suicide Squad, the original "Supernova" story arc in the X-Men: Legacy title dealt with Rogue and Cable leading a team of X-Villains.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I wonder if Magneto will become the villain again? :roll:

C'mon. C'MON.

In every Bryan Singer X movie, he's been the villain. All five of them.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

I saw Apocalypse a couple weeks ago, and I can say with no exaggeration that it was one of the WORST films I have ever seen in my life. There were no, literally no, redeeming factors at all. It was so bad at times, if I didn't know better, I would have said the film was a satire of the superhero genre.

So I hope to God this "Supernova" project never happens.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I saw Apocalypse a couple weeks ago, and I can say with no exaggeration that it was one of the WORST films I have ever seen in my life. There were no, literally no, redeeming factors at all. It was so bad at times, if I didn't know better, I would have said the film was a satire of the superhero genre.

So I hope to God this "Supernova" project never happens.

Mystique's purple dress, the Nightcrawler/Angel cage fight, and Quicksilver evacuating the mansion. That's, what, six minutes of film? That was it for me.

[CyberCubed]

I saw Apocalypse a couple weeks ago, and I can say with no exaggeration that it was one of the WORST films I have ever seen in my life. There were no, literally no, redeeming factors at all. It was so bad at times, if I didn't know better, I would have said the film was a satire of the superhero genre.

So I hope to God this "Supernova" project never happens.

If that's the worst film you've ever seen you're lucky, you've never seen truly horrible films.

[AT-Man]

If that's the worst film you've ever seen you're lucky, you've never seen truly horrible films.

We live in a world where people would rather watch A Serbian Film than an X-Men film. Top kek.

[Andrew NDB]

If that's the worst film you've ever seen you're lucky, you've never seen truly horrible films.

Resident Evil 2 is worse.

[TigerClaw]

Its also gonna be set during the 90s.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

That's another thing that I just don't get about having one movie for each decade. What horrible physical mutilation do James McAvoy's Xavier and Michael Fassbender's Magneto endure to age into Patrick Stewart and and Ian McKellen so quickly between the '90s and 2000?

[Andrew NDB]

What horrible physical mutilation do James McAvoy's Xavier and Michael Fassbender's Magneto endure to age into Patrick Stewart and and Ian McKellen so quickly between the '90s and 2000?

Well, Professor X went bald because he fought Apocalypse, who he didn't actually fight in the original timeline even though in that timeline he still went bal -- wait, huh?

[TigerClaw]

Well, Professor X went bald because he fought Apocalypse, who he didn't actually fight in the original timeline even though in that timeline he still went bal -- wait, huh?
Yeah, its a new timeline which allowed them to start fresh, Deadpool is set in the new timeline on present day, and Logan in the far future of the new timeline.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Fox's continuity and general timeline logic is completely non-existent. I'm not talking about in terms of old and new X-Men, I'm talking about basic film-to-film logic.

Take the ending of Apocalypse. The very ending, where the Sentinels were used for the Danger Room.
Now HOLD THE F*CK ON. The entire point of DoFP was to make sure that the Sentinels were never made. So not only does Professor X resurrect the Sentinels, knowing full well their dark possible future, but he programs them to attack mutants. :|

It makes no sense whatsoever, in any possible way, if you've seen DoFP. But it looks cool so that's why it's in the movie. But that's the Fox formula for X-Men: if it's cool, put it in, even if it's completely ass-backwards.

[Spitfire]

The X-men franchise needs a serious facelift. The smartest thing they can do is let Deadpool be the beginning of a new series. It was successful and proved there is a strong enough audience for R-rated superhero flicks. That could be the thing X-men needs to separate itself from the competition.

[CyberCubed]

A large chunk of the audience of superhero films has always been kids. Which is why they try to avoid R ratings.

[TigerClaw]

The X-men franchise needs a serious facelift. The smartest thing they can do is let Deadpool be the beginning of a new series. It was successful and proved there is a strong enough audience for R-rated superhero flicks. That could be the thing X-men needs to separate itself from the competition.

A large chunk of the audience of superhero films has always been kids. Which is why they try to avoid R ratings.
Wolverine and Deadpool are the only characters suitable for R ratings due to there violent nature, But the majority of X-Men always appeal to all ages.

[Andrew NDB]

Wolverine and Deadpool are the only characters suitable for R ratings due to there violent nature, But the majority of X-Men always appeal to all ages.

Correct. The core X-Men movies need to be PG-13, they should be. But the Wolverine movies should have always been the R-rated "adult" alternative. Not just now, with the "final" one, and just because their low budget/experimental Deadpool made money.

[Andrew NDB]

Ugh. "Shooting soon."

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/sophie-turner-confirms-her-return-as-jean-grey-for-a-new-x-men-movie-says-a148900

[CyberCubed]

Sophie Turner is only in her early 20's yet she looks 30 already. Goddamn, some women age way too fast.

[NinjaPug]

Cool. Another rushed Dark Phoenix script from Simon Kinberg.

Weird that this is supposedly shooting in a few months despite no director or official release date.

[Andrew NDB]

Weird that this is supposedly shooting in a few months despite no director or official release date.

Right. There has been absolutely no announcement about Singer or no Singer.

[CyberCubed]

I am glad they're continuing to use the new young cast. Scott, Jean, Storm, Nightcrawler have some good young actors now, I'd like to see them grow into their roles. And hey, maybe Jubilee will get more than 30 seconds of screentime in this movie.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Right. There has been absolutely no announcement about Singer or no Singer.

I suspect that, after the rather lukewarm BO intake of 'Apocalypse', they're doing some light damage control... something tells me Ms. Turner was not supposed to spill the beans on this quite yet!

[NinjaPug]

Didn't Singer say he wouldn't be directing this one? Now I'm worried they're bringing him back since there has been zero publicity on this so far. I want to say Singer said he had a movie lined up for later in the year and he's doing the X-Men pilot for Fox because he had an opening.

Even without Singer it'll probably still suck since Kinberg is writing it but hopefully they'll bring in someone without a black leather fetish.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Do I dare hope that Vaughn could be coming back to the X-Men? First Class rocked. But then again, there's a new Kingsman coming out. :/

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Do I dare hope that Vaughn could be coming back to the X-Men? First Class rocked. But then again, there's a new Kingsman coming out. :/

Maybe after Kingsman 2, we can get another Vaughn X-Men movie...

[ToTheNines]

Yeah, they'll never get Vaughn back. I would have loved two more from him though :(

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, they'll never get Vaughn back. I would have loved two more from him though :(

Can you imagine? I'd have love to have seen his "Days of Future Past."

[Andrew NDB]

Didn't Singer say he wouldn't be directing this one? Now I'm worried they're bringing him back since there has been zero publicity on this so far.

He said something about "blah blah, Apocalypse wraps up a trilogy and I'm very happy about that," which kind of infers some hand washing of the franchise. But not necessarily.

Even without Singer it'll probably still suck since Kinberg is writing it but hopefully they'll bring in someone without a black leather fetish.

It'll be pretty ironic if their big "Phoenix Saga, Take 2" movie is rushed out with another B-list director like Ratner. X-Men 3 for Fox all over again. I bet they'll "win" back Singer. That's probably important to them.

[ToTheNines]

Can you imagine? I'd have love to have seen his "Days of Future Past."

Right? Such a cruel world.

He said something about "blah blah, Apocalypse wraps up a trilogy and I'm very happy about that," which kind of infers some hand washing of the franchise. But not necessarily.



It'll be pretty ironic if their big "Phoenix Saga, Take 2" movie is rushed out with another B-list director like Ratner. X-Men 3 for Fox all over again. I bet they'll "win" back Singer. That's probably important to them.

Ratner > Singer

The Last Stand > X 1 & 2

[Andrew NDB]

Ratner > Singer

The Last Stand > X 1 & 2

Oh, I agree. And that was with being rushed to meet a seemingly impossible deadline. With some proper pre-production, Ratner could have done an even better job.

[Andrew NDB]

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/simon-kinberg-is-reportedly-in-talks-to-write-and-direct-the-next-x-men-a149131

Simon Kinberg up for writing and directing.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Gross!
10char

[NinjaPug]

Just put a bullet in the franchise

[AquaParade]

I'm actually surprised they are carrying on with this version of the X-Men.

With Deadpool signaling a fresh start and Logan closing the door on Jackman as Wolverine, this would be the ideal time to start fresh with the X-Men.

[CyberCubed]

I'm actually surprised they are carrying on with this version of the X-Men.

With Deadpool signaling a fresh start and Logan closing the door on Jackman as Wolverine, this would be the ideal time to start fresh with the X-Men.

They already did start fresh, twice. We had First Class and now they just cast new young Scott, Jean, Storm, Nightcrawler, etc. There's no reason to recast again so soon.

They're not barred to the old continuity anymore either, which is why they're doing the Jean Grey pheonix storyline in the 90's rather than the early 2000's like in X3.

[Autbot_Benz]

Most people on Twitter are sick of the Fox-Men and don't want kinsberg to direct

[NinjaPug]

Kinberg wrote X3, DOFP, Apocalypse and the new F4. Why would anyone want him to write another Dark Phoenix movie let alone direct it?

[AquaParade]

They already did start fresh, twice. We had First Class and now they just cast new young Scott, Jean, Storm, Nightcrawler, etc. There's no reason to recast again so soon.

They're not barred to the old continuity anymore either, which is why they're doing the Jean Grey pheonix storyline in the 90's rather than the early 2000's like in X3.

I wouldn't consider First Class a fresh start, especially with it leading into DOFP and Apocalypse. Kinsberg and Jackman have been along for the whole ride as well, and the "new" trilogy tied into the previous one heavily.

Sure, they just recast for Apocalypse, but that movie didn't do so hot anyways.
This is a great chance for them to focus on Deadpool and New Mutants. Gives them a chance to prepare a proper X-Men film with a new cast. It could build off Deadpool and New Mutants.

[NinjaPug]

So Deadpool 2 brings in Drew Goddard to help with the script and X-Force is being written (and possibly directed) by Joe Carnahan. Why can't Fox hire people like that to work on the X-Men movies? They can't really think Kinberg is a comparable talent.

[The Deadman]

Future X-MEN Movies Will Move On From Professor X/Magneto Dynamic; SUPERNOVA Title Details (https://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/future-x-men-movies-will-move-on-from-professor-x-magneto-dynamic-supernova-a149409)

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, whoever said they're just going to change the subtitle to "PHOENIX" at some point was probably dead on (to thunderous applause, I'm sure they're hoping... bah). Maybe this summer at Comicon.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Yeah, whoever said they're just going to change the subtitle to "PHOENIX" at some point was probably dead on (to thunderous applause, I'm sure they're hoping... bah). Maybe this summer at Comicon.

Pretty sure I said it, but too lazy to go back and check.

Still, I'll take the thunderous applause.

Yay! Fox will be 2 for 2 for terrible Phoenix depictions!

[Andrew NDB]

Pretty sure I said it, but too lazy to go back and check.

Still, I'll take the thunderous applause.

Oh, I meant when Fox would be expecting the thunderous applause when they announce the REAL title, "PHOENIX." I hope they get the sound of crickets instead, those f*ckers.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Oh, I meant when Fox would be expecting the thunderous applause when they announce the REAL title, "PHOENIX." I hope they get the sound of crickets instead, those f*ckers.

:tlol:

Fox will be hugely applauded, with everyone who enjoyed Apocalypse applauding their choice to retell the Phoenix saga, with NO CLUE that they're obviously going to produce another terrible mainstream Fox-Men movie written by Simon Kinberg and made by Bryan Singer.

Yay!

We'll get confirmation of appearances by Lawrence, Fassbender, McAvoy, and the guy who does Beast any day now. :trazz:

[Andrew NDB]

We'll get confirmation of appearances by Lawrence, Fassbender, McAvoy, and the guy who does Beast any day now. :trazz:

Yep, all supposed to be playing 30 years older versions of their characters from First Class in the 90s now.

:roll:

I can't wait to see when the movie stops for 5 minutes to show Quicksilver doing something "Cool" that's completely disconnected from the rest of the movie. Or when Magneto does the back-stabbing. Maybe Psylocke will show up for a couple more trailer moments, too.

[Krutch]

Though I'd prefer they'd just wrap the whole series up with Logan instead of moving forward with another X-Men, I'll still look forward to this.

Hopefully Singer will return but that doesn't look to be the case.

I hope it goes right into pure sci-fi territory with this one.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Yep, all supposed to be playing 30 years older versions of their characters from First Class in the 90s now.

:roll:

I can't wait to see when the movie stops for 5 minutes to show Quicksilver doing something "Cool" that's completely disconnected from the rest of the movie. Or when Magneto does the back-stabbing. Maybe Psylocke will show up for a couple more trailer moments, too.

The non-aging of the X-Men cast in these movies is the Dumbest. Sh!t. Ever.

Also... maybe Storm will get more than two lines of dialogue!

Maybe Magneto will kill off the entire population of Australia but still be forgiven by Charles at the end of the movie!

Maybe Jubilee will be seen in the background of one scene in the Mansion!

Maybe everyone will continue to look up to Jennifer--I mean Katniss--I mean Mystique as a hero!

[ZariusTwo]

Movie's title is officially "X-Men: Dark Phoenix" and will be released November 2nd 2018

https://twitter.com/BoxOffice/status/855811365470121984

[Cure]

Yeeeeeah boy.

[Autbot_Benz]

Hasn't X-men ruined phoenix enough. They didn't do her right in X3 they used it as a Deus Ex Machina in apocalypse.

You can't do Phoenix without the shi'ar empire the StarJammers the emcron crystal and the hellfire club.

Its sad when the 1992 X-men Cartoon came closest with doing the Phoenix saga Justice

[NinjaPug]

Don't worry. They have Simon Kinberg writing (and possibly directing) it. He would never be involved in a poor adaptation of the Dark Phoenix story.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Movie's title is officially "X-Men: Dark Phoenix" and will be released November 2nd 2018

https://twitter.com/BoxOffice/status/855811365470121984

Shocked. Shocked I say!

Only a GENIUS could have predicted this. Probably a really good-looking genius with a sexy beard and a commanding presence. :trazz:

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Will history repeat itself? Will Bryan Singer miss another chance to tell the story of Phoenix?

[Andrew NDB]

Will history repeat itself? Will Bryan Singer miss another chance to tell the story of Phoenix?

No matter who does it... we LOSE.

[NinjaPug]

What year do you think they'll release their re-do of Apocalypse?

[turtlefanforever]

Hasn't X-men ruined phoenix enough. They didn't do her right in X3 they used it as a Deus Ex Machina in apocalypse.

You can't do Phoenix without the shi'ar empire the StarJammers the emcron crystal and the hellfire club.

Its sad when the 1992 X-men Cartoon came closest with doing the Phoenix saga Justice

Go away troll

[ZariusTwo]

Go away troll

What was trollish about that post? It's consensus that X-3 is terrible and handled the Phoenix story appallingly.

The X-Men's animated adaptation was good, hell I consider it superior to the comic version.

[Andrew NDB]

So, so, stupid. If anything, they could have eventually looped around to a Dark Phoenix redux in a couple of movies... but we just met Jean. We, like, JUST met her. And barely even got to know her. Now it's time to go evil and super-powered?

And I'm assuming it'll be again super low-key. No space, no aliens, no nothing. It'll just get more attention than in X3.

[Autbot_Benz]

Go away troll

Pot calling the kettle black you numbnuts . Like Zarius said Its common fact X-3 butchered the phoenix Saga and the 92 Cartoon did it perfectly.



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[Coola Yagami]

Honestly... a big waste of time. Logan should have ended the franchise and kinda/sorta let Deadpool start a new one. I mean, Logan IS the end of everything. Nothing that happens in this movie will change their eventual fate in Logan. I mean at least Days of Future Past changed the previous movies, giving us an excuse to watch more movies with this new altered timeline continuity.... but this? Just why?

Unless they somehow make Jean enter a wormhole and kill Xavier before he had his first lethal seizure in old age, nothing that happens in this movie will matter. No matter how it ends, no matter how they defeat/kill Jean and end the movie with smiles and some sort of victory tune playing in the background.... it doesn't change their fate as implied in Logan.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

I've given up on trying to make sense of the X-Men film continuity. The producers have as well. There's no reason to try to hold Fox accountable for any sort of chronology; Logan didn't even seem to take place after DoFP. At this point I just view the X-films as stories that pick and choose whatever characters they want, without any strict timeline tethering them.

[sdp]

As I say in x-men threads discussing continuity; The film universe has adapted perfectly the clusterf-ck continuity it has. But for those "Logan already explains how it ends", well Batman Beyond didn't make us enjoy JLU any less, now did it?

They've already gone full sci-fi with dofp and apocalypse so I think it's not out of the question to have the sh'iar empire. I don't think it'll be a great adaptation but it should be done better than X3.

Anywho I don't see all three movies happening in the same year, Deadpool II wont move but I'm guessing New Mutants and/or Phoenix won't be released the same year. Too much X-Men. Gambit, Origins Magneto were also stated to come out, heck even the sequel to first class was originally going to be different before it became dofp.

[TigerClaw]

It looks like Rogue might be recast based on these audition tapes for X-Men: Dark Phoenix
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/dark_phoenix/x-men-dark-phoenix-audition-videos-have-led-to-speculation-that-rogue-is-being-recast-a150727

[chrisdude]

The Phoenix Saga ruined the cartoon for me. I was young, but good grief did it bore me to death. Didn't follow the show after that. My dad felt the same way. That was a show we watched together. I'm way more into comics, as an adult, but I haven't gone back to read that stuff yet. As it stands, I'd like to see as little Phoenix as possible. I thought X3 was great, despite it, though. I'm more interested in New Mutants.

[ZariusTwo]

The Phoenix Saga ruined the cartoon for me. I was young, but good grief did it bore me to death. Didn't follow the show after that. My dad felt the same way. That was a show we watched together. I'm way more into comics, as an adult, but I haven't gone back to read that stuff yet. As it stands, I'd like to see as little Phoenix as possible. I thought X3 was great, despite it, though. I'm more interested in New Mutants.

You're kind of better off not reading the X-Comics after Joss Whedon left, they kind of went to s*it. They're only recovering a bit now.

[chrisdude]

You're kind of better off not reading the X-Comics after Joss Whedon left, they kind of went to s*it. They're only recovering a bit now.I meant I never went back to read the Phoenix stuff. I've been reading X-Men books for a few years, now. Basically from when they brought the past X-Men to the present. I'm into it, but I haven't read anything Whedon to compare.

[ZariusTwo]

I meant I never went back to read the Phoenix stuff. I've been reading X-Men books for a few years, now. Basically from when they brought the past X-Men to the present. I'm into it, but I haven't read anything Whedon to compare.

The 05 has litterally the worst version of Jean ever.:P

[MsMarvelDuckie]

No, the worst version of Jean was Madeline. Pointless and blatantly "evil manipulative b**ch" just 'cause. And dug her hooks into Scott just to lead him by the nose.

[ZariusTwo]

No, the worst version of Jean was Madeline. Pointless and blatantly "evil manipulative b**ch" just 'cause. And dug her hooks into Scott just to lead him by the nose.

Poor Claremont never forgave Shooter for almost all of that.

[Andrew NDB]

The main villain of X-Men: Dark Phoenix has just been cast. See here:

http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/michael-fassbender-returning-magneto-x-men-dark-phoenix

Should they really be developing this movie this far without even 100% securing a director yet?

[ProphetofGanja]

This film franchise has really gone off da railz

[TheSkeletonMan939]

I feel like the X-Men franchise more often than not is like a careening bus that sometimes arrives at its destination (Days of Future Past) and other times explodes and falls off a cliff (Apocalypse, and probably this).

[NinjaPug]

The main villain of X-Men: Dark Phoenix has just been cast.

I laughed.

Seriously though. Can we please get an X-Men movie without Magneto?

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Fassbender's a great actor but I feel like he's wasting his time with these films - Apocalypse especially.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Fassbender's a great actor but I feel like he's wasting his time with these films - Apocalypse especially.

Absolutely. Magneto has been on a downward spiral since "First Class." So, I would argue, has Xavier and Beast.

[NinjaPug]

Magneto has been on a downward spiral since "First Class."

Just like the X-Men movies

[ProphetofGanja]

Yuuup. Diminishing returns and all that. Yawn, on to the next.

[Andrew NDB]

Absolutely. Magneto has been on a downward spiral since "First Class." So, I would argue, has Xavier and Beast.

Since just after First Class, yes. Bryan Singer had no idea to do with the groundwork Matthew Vaughn laid down. He fumbled the ball, terribly.

[DestronMirage22]

Fassbender is a great actor who deserves the different acting jobs he's gotten recently.
But we don't need to see any more of this version of Magneto. He's overstayed his welcome.

[ProphetofGanja]

Personally I don't think Fassbender's Magneto had the gravitas of Stewart's Charles Xavier or Jackman's Wolverine. He's good, but not that good. Definitely time to explore some other aspects of the X-Men property. I'd like to see a live action movie bases on the 90s cartoon team. I'm ready for Channing Tatum's Gambit

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Fassbender could continue bringing something new to the role if they'd let him. Every single one of these movies is now about Magneto having a good life stolen from him, then he becomes evil, but then he remembers a few scenes from First Class and decides to become a good guy again.... for now. Can't they try a different angle? What's wrong with going for an actual X-Men+Magneto team-up? That'd be awesome.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I dream of a day where Matthew Vaughn directs an X-Men movie focusing on the Brotherhood and Magneto's children, with Quicksilver, Polaris, and Scarlet Witch. And Genosha.

Maybe in ten years.

[Andrew NDB]

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/x-men-dark-phoenix-audition-tape-seemingly-reveals-presence-of-the-shiar-empire-a151668

I would be pretty impressed if this is the case. It'd be even more impressive if this movie actually had a director.

[TigerClaw]

Angelina Jolie And Jessica Chastain are being eyed for the same role in X-Men: Dark Phoenix
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/angelina-jolie-and-jessica-chastain-are-reportedly-being-eyed-for-the-same-role-in-x-men-dark-phoenix-a151701

[CyberCubed]

Angelina Jolie is still a big name in 2017? What? She's all old now.

[ToTheNines]

Angelina Jolie And Jessica Chastain are being eyed for the same role in X-Men: Dark Phoenix
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/angelina-jolie-and-jessica-chastain-are-reportedly-being-eyed-for-the-same-role-in-x-men-dark-phoenix-a151701

That would be amazing. I LOVE Chastain, hopefully this movie doesn't suck if she gets the role.

I'd love to see her in the MCU, don't really know who she would play though. Medusa maybe, but that's just a show now. Enchantress would have worked, but they merged her with Hela. Maybe Abigail Brand if Sharon Stone hasn't already sealed that deal.

Or Poison Ivy, if they ever decide to start actually making Batman movies.

[Andrew NDB]

That would be amazing. I LOVE Chastain, hopefully this movie doesn't suck if she gets the role.

Why would you have any faith that it wouldn't? It'd be like... Olivia Munn in Apocalypse.

[ToTheNines]

Um... because Logan was good?

Just kidding. Obviously it's a forgone conclusion. Especially if Singer or Kinberg direct.

[Andrew NDB]

I just can't get my head around things developing as much as they are with no director. They're making cast announcements, teasing this and that... but no director. There's literally 0 examples of movies you can point to where it's like this pre-scheduled production for a film that's already promised by X looming date and that the studio has already casted for and developed and a director hops into it that have ever been any good. That's the X-Men 3 recipe.

All I can think of is maybe Brian Singer IS the director, has been the whole time and they're saving that for some surprise announcement at Comic Con in Hall H or something.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

I just can't get my head around things developing as much as they are with no director. They're making cast announcements, teasing this and that... but no director. There's literally 0 examples of movies you can point to where it's like this pre-scheduled production for a film that's already promised by X looming date and that the studio has already casted for and developed and a director hops into it that have ever been any good. That's the X-Men 3 recipe.

I agree. It's like it's a collaboration between producers who want to just make sure the film checks off all the arbitrary boxes, like ASM2. The director will just be the guy who puts all their writing onto camera. Damn, if you think about it that way, those rumors about Kinberg directing make a lot of sense.

[NinjaPug]

**** this.

http://deadline.com/2017/06/x-men-dark-phoenix-jennifer-lawrence-michael-fassbender-james-mcavoy-simon-kinberg-1202113290/

[Andrew NDB]

**** this.

http://deadline.com/2017/06/x-men-dark-phoenix-jennifer-lawrence-michael-fassbender-james-mcavoy-simon-kinberg-1202113290/

Well, at least all the right pieces are there for this (and Kinberg's career) to gloriously burn itself down and take the whole Singerverse with it.

[NinjaPug]

At least they're definitely going cosmic this time around. Good to see the Shi'ar confirmed.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/x-men-dark-phoenix-villain-jessica-chastain-talks-role-1013462

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

**** this.

http://deadline.com/2017/06/x-men-dark-phoenix-jennifer-lawrence-michael-fassbender-james-mcavoy-simon-kinberg-1202113290/

Shocking. SHOCKING, I SAY!!!!

Well, at least all the right pieces are there for this (and Kinberg's career) to gloriously burn itself down and take the whole Singerverse with it.

Nah. It'll take another couple of movies at least... c'mon, they're making THIS after the Cinematic Ambien that was Apocalypse. So apparently they have some tattered goodwill left to burn...

[Andrew NDB]

Nah. It'll take another couple of movies at least... c'mon, they're making THIS after the Cinematic Ambien that was Apocalypse. So apparently they have some tattered goodwill left to burn...

Ugh. I would hope that after people have finally seen how bad an X-Men movie can be in the wrong hands (Apocalypse) and how good an X-Men movie can be in the right hands (Logan), there would be close to no tolerance for more tiny, sh***y Singer-esque movies.

[Autbot_Benz]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/x-men-dark-phoenix-villain-jessica-chastain-talks-role-1013462

They are making Lilandra the Villain? She wasn't a Villain that was Erik the Red

[Andrew NDB]

I wonder what bridge Magneto will lift in this one.

[Autbot_Benz]

Its pretty funny that the 90's cartoon of X-men is still more faithful than all the X-men movies combined.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Ugh. I would hope that after people have finally seen how bad an X-Men movie can be in the wrong hands (Apocalypse) and how good an X-Men movie can be in the right hands (Logan), there would be close to no tolerance for more tiny, sh***y Singer-esque movies.

I think we're past the point of CBMs NOT making bank in America. They're like the Fast and Furious or Transformers... some are good, some are terrible, but they all make money and they never lose a core audience. Which really irks me...

Oh well. I'm making one prediction now, and I'll absolutely be proven right:

At some point in the movie, Magneto will want to side with the aliens and destroy humanity, or use alien technology to destroy humanity. Because Magneto is ALWAYS the villain.

[Andrew NDB]

Oh well. I'm making one prediction now, and I'll absolutely be proven right:

At some point in the movie, Magneto will want to side with the aliens and destroy humanity, or use alien technology to destroy humanity. Because Magneto is ALWAYS the villain.

Do you think we will get another flashback to Auschwitz? I don't think we've seen enough of those.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Do you think we will get another flashback to Auschwitz? I don't think we've seen enough of those.

I'm just sitting here trying to figure out how they'll make Jennifer Lawrence the star of the movie.

Also, do you think Quicksilver will save everybody from an exploding spaceship in slo-mo?

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Do you think we will get another flashback to Auschwitz? I don't think we've seen enough of those.

Whenever the writers can't figure out why a character should change his mind about something, they toss in a sentimental First Class moment. So we'll probably get another one of those also.

Also, do you think Quicksilver will save everybody from an exploding spaceship in slo-mo?

What classic '90s tune will he listen to? Do you think he'll still be living in his mom's basement?

[Autbot_Benz]

Actual representation of the x-men franchise not counting Logan and Deadpool


http://i66.tinypic.com/mm8pis.jpg :lol:

[ZariusTwo]

Lawrence is back

http://deadline.com/2017/06/x-men-dark-phoenix-jennifer-lawrence-michael-fassbender-james-mcavoy-simon-kinberg-1202113290/

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Lawrence is back

http://deadline.com/2017/06/x-men-dark-phoenix-jennifer-lawrence-michael-fassbender-james-mcavoy-simon-kinberg-1202113290/

You're late to the roast, buddy. :tgrin:

[Autbot_Benz]

so is Incredible Hulk not Beast going to be be back. Seriously I hate that beast in this movie verse can turn human whenever he wants.

Also **** J Law she comes off as a whiny bitch not wanting to wear the mystique costume when Rebecca Romijn never complained once while doing it.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

They should kill Mystique off brutally for both Lawrence's sake and ours.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm just sitting here trying to figure out how they'll make Jennifer Lawrence the star of the movie.

You mean she isn't already the leader of the X-Men?

https://images.moviepilot.com/images/c_limit,q_auto:good,w_600/uriunlvw6r4gwi5hefny/mystique-s-leading-the-team-but-hiding-her-true-colors-in-x-men-apocalypse.jpg

"Mutant and... unproud?"

Also, do you think Quicksilver will save everybody from an exploding spaceship in slo-mo?

Of course. And the movie will be full of 30 other moments where, had Quicksilver been there, the situation could have been completely averted.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

http://i.imgur.com/m4TTaEXl.png

Whatever you say, Bryan. A bit ironic that ten years later Singer is again unable to direct the Phoenix storyline. Last time it was because of Superman Returns; has there been an "official" reason for Singer to drop out of the project this time, or have they realized that his name no longer sells tickets?

[Andrew NDB]

http://i.imgur.com/m4TTaEXl.png

Yeah, he's full of sh**.

Whatever you say, Bryan. A bit ironic that ten years later Singer is again unable to direct the Phoenix storyline. Last time it was because of Superman Returns; has there been an "official" reason for Singer to drop out of the project this time, or have they realized that his name no longer sells tickets?

Had to be something on Singer's end. Doesn't want to just be pigeonholed as X-Men guy forever, though knows that if he gets 2 X-Men duds in a row that'd be the end of even that. Deadpool and Logan's reception probably has him shook, too, feeling a bit out of touch. While the studio would doubtless be leery of giving him the car keys again after Apocalypse, I don't tend to think they'd believe Kinberg flying solo would yield better results.

[Spike Spiegel]

This franchise honestly peaked with DOFP.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

I would say that First Class was the high point. It was the first time that anyone outside of Wolverine or Jean felt like a real character.

[NinjaPug]

First Class was definitely the high point for me. I thought DOFP was mediocre and a wasted opportunity.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Some of my reservations about DoFP were fixed with the Rogue Cut, but the whole thing about Mystique changing her ways was so forced and almost silly.

[Andrew NDB]

This franchise honestly peaked with DOFP.

Oh, hardly. That movie is so tiny and forgettable, with zero focus.

First Class is the first and only time everything clicked, had a synergy and an appropriate payoff. It's also got the best music score in the whole series.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Oh, hardly. That movie is so tiny and forgettable, with zero focus.

First Class is the first and only time everything clicked, had a synergy and an appropriate payoff. It's also got the best music score in the whole series.

I don't think it's fair to call the movie tiny or forgettable... it DID have both generations of X-Men in it, which is a pretty big deal.

It's just that the movie should have been 100% Matthew Vaughn, sticking to the new timeline and not allowing Fox to bring back Singer and all of his Singer-isms; they sacrificed a better story and the new direction for publicity and spectacle. I still don't understand why they felt a need to go back to Singer... :tsad:

And the First Class soundtrack is amazing, absolutely amazing.

[Spike Spiegel]

First Class is the first and only time everything clicked, had a synergy and an appropriate payoff. It's also got the best music score in the whole series.

Didn't care for Darwin's lame (and for some, offensive) death, a version of Beast that looks like Little Critter, a wasted opportunity for the use of Emma Frost, J-Law's lack of charisma, Azazel, or the Charles/Eric wankfest that seems to be a major complaint in regards to many of the other films. Also, awful-looking costumes and side characters that seemed to get in the way more than anything.

I'm also a bit more of a comic purist and thought most of the main characters were too obscure to lead into a new franchise--most of them are dead in DOFP. It all seemed so random and thrown together in ways that were reminiscent of the first Wolverine movie from 2009.

The movie has a decent emotional core that makes it slightly feel like some of the better incarnations of the characters, but it still has the stench of something that was dumbed down by studio people who are too cool for comics. First Class is a competently made film IMHO, but not a good X-Men adaptation.

To each his own, I guess.

[Andrew NDB]

I don't think it's fair to call the movie tiny or forgettable... it DID have both generations of X-Men in it, which is a pretty big deal.

And it did what with them, exactly? Nothing. Glorified cameos to create an imaginary sense of scope.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

And it did what with them, exactly? Nothing. Glorified cameos to create an imaginary sense of scope.

But the majority of the audience perceives that sense of scope, even though it all amounted to a bunch of old guys getting stabbed to death by Sentinels.

I think it was a big movie. Just the WRONG movie.

But we both agree DOFP was a huge step back and a mistake, so we're cool. :twink:

[TheSkeletonMan939]

It's also got the best music score in the whole series.

I bet we would have gotten an excellent score for DoFP if Singer hadn't asked composer John Ottman to basically emulate Nolan-esque Hans Zimmer. It's still enjoyable music but those forced BWAAAMS get sort of silly after a while. Almost all the X-scores have their merits though.

[snake]

X1>Logan>X2>FC=DOFP>Deadpool>X3>Those f*cking Wolverine movies>Apocolypse

Objective ranking

[ToTheNines]

X1>Logan>X2>FC=DOFP>Deadpool>X3>Those f*cking Wolverine movies>Apocolypse

Objective ranking

Sad!

The first 2 Singer movies are horrendously overrated. And it's heresy to say FC and DOFP are even in the same ballpark.

[Andrew NDB]

Sad!

The first 2 Singer movies are horrendously overrated. And it's heresy to say FC and DOFP are even in the same ballpark.

Agreed! On both points. There were not even any character arcs for anyone in DofP except Xavier's lightweight one. For Mystique it was actually a character arc backwards. The rest are just there to be there.

[snake]

I like the first two well enough. They're simple movies.

[CyberCubed]

First Class > Logan > X1 > X2 > Days of Future Past > Deadpool > The Wolverine > Apocalypse > X3 > Wolverine: Origins.

[Andrew NDB]

I respect X1, in its simplicity and what it did for the genre. X2 is the unfunny Seinfeld of the bunch... nothing happens. Jean's sacrifice was moderately touching if sudden, but that's about it. Magneto villaining had been done in the last one. None of the setups like the mansion invasion or the White House incursion accomplish much beyond tiny, mostly pointless spectacle. The best "action" we see is between Wolverine and Lady Deathstrike, a character who literally receives no character, backstory, or reason to dislike or even care about her beyond the visual... and 15 years later Singer is still doing that with characters like Psylocke. Looks cool in trailers, though.

[ranger_scout]

First look at the danger room:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCsWAKTWsAA1Cwg.jpg

http://comicbook.com/marvel/2017/06/19/x-men-dark-phoenix-danger-room/

[ranger_scout]

Evan Peters has been confirmed to return as Quicksilver. Lamar Johnson, of The Next Step, has also joined the film in an unknown role.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/x-men-dark-phoenix-evan-peters-returning-as-quicksilver-1018062

[sdp]

Did Marvel kill Quicksilver because he became such a big character in the X-men movies?

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Is Quicksilver going to be a 40-year-old man still living in his mother's basement? Or will they have the common sense to put him in the X-Mansion or something?

[TigerClaw]

Evan Peters has been confirmed to return as Quicksilver. Lamar Johnson, of The Next Step, has also joined the film in an unknown role.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/x-men-dark-phoenix-evan-peters-returning-as-quicksilver-1018062
Nice, he was one of the best things about X-Men: Apocalypse.

[ranger_scout]

Is Quicksilver going to be a 40-year-old man still living in his mother's basement? Or will they have the common sense to put him in the X-Mansion or something?

At the end of Apocalypse, he decided to stay at the X-Mansion and was seen training with some of the X-Men in the Danger Room.

[Andrew NDB]

3 minute scene divorced from the rest of the movie where Quicksilver does some crazy but cool-looking save and then does f*** all for the rest of the movie... check.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

At the end of Apocalypse, he decided to stay at the X-Mansion and was seen training with some of the X-Men in the Danger Room.

Oh yeah. That scene really confused me. So Charles gets a message from a dystopian future telling him to stop the sentinels at all costs, and instead of destroying them, he puts them in his basement and pretty much just trains them to hunt mutants for practice? Really clever Charles.

[NinjaPug]

I can't wait for more will he / won't he tell Magneto that he's his son.

[ranger_scout]

It appears that Cyclops will be getting a new visor.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEp4tzQUIAAM2Eg.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DErU5wvXsAAEBUY.jpg

Jessica Chastain also seems to be confirmed as Lilandra.

Actress Jessica Chastain will play the villain of the film, Lilandra


http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/868887-x-men-dark-phoenix-set-photos-show-off-new-cyclops-visor#/slide/1

[Autbot_Benz]

Once again Fox is screwing up Lilandra isn't a Villain in the comics she is friends with Professor X


Also Kinberg is gonna keep the movie grounded he doesn't want the movie to get to intergalactic. Even though the Phoenix Saga deals with Space

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/dark_phoenix/x-men-dark-phoenix-intends-to-ground-the-movie-so-its-not-the-intergalactic-adventure-fans-hoped-for-a153531

[NinjaPug]

What made anyone think Kinberg would get the Dark Phoenix storyline right on his 2nd try?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Once again Fox is screwing up Lilandra isn't a Villain in the comics she is friends with Professor X


Also Kinberg is gonna keep the movie grounded he doesn't want the movie to get to intergalactic. Even though the Phoenix Saga deals with Space

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/dark_phoenix/x-men-dark-phoenix-intends-to-ground-the-movie-so-its-not-the-intergalactic-adventure-fans-hoped-for-a153531

Shocking. Shocking, I say!

[Andrew NDB]

Good lord, if they don't want to play ball with Marvel just reboot the whole thing to high hell already. They had one chance with Vaughn but they ****ed the pooch on that already.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Good lord, if they don't want to play ball with Marvel just reboot the whole thing to high hell already. They had one chance with Vaughn but they ****ed the pooch on that already.

I think it all boils down to a choice of:

Do we want ALL of less money? Or SOME of more money?

And Fox is content to go with Option A.

[Autbot_Benz]

http://i.imgur.com/rJWfo6n.jpg

[ToTheNines]

Don't care how bad this is. Chastain got me like...

https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-11-2015/LKLEpX.gif

[TigerClaw]

The fact the movie will have Lilandra, it has to be intergalactic, how are you gonna ground the movie by introducing an alien from another planet?

[Andrew NDB]

The fact the movie will have Lilandra, it has to be intergalactic, how are you gonna ground the movie by introducing an alien from another planet?

Meet Lilandra, a mutant from the underground kingdom of Singerville, population: suck.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Is that near Snydersville? Where superheroes go to get de(con)structed?

[Andrew NDB]

Is that near Snydersville? Where superheroes go to get de(con)structed?

It's where superheroes go to participate in very small, grounded stories and are embarassed by their comic book roots.

[ranger_scout]

Apocalypse was originally going to be Jennifer Lawrence's swan song as Raven/Mystique. However, she reveals why she decided to return for this film in an interview with Digital Spy.

"My contract was up, I didn't have to do another one, but if I didn't do another one, what would her story be?" she told Digital Spy.

"I felt like I owed it to the fans, and I owed it to the character to follow her journey, to be fair to the movies, and not be like, 'I don't want to do another X-Men!' And then I just never show up and everyone's very confused about the Mystique they've been following for the last three films."

http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/x-men/news/a837415/jennifer-lawrence-x-men-dark-phoenix-mystique-return/

She made a very good point in the last few sentences. I'm glad that she's coming back because Raven/Mystique and Katniss Everdeen are the roles that made me such a huge fan of her acting. Plus, if she could play the latter in four films, then she could do the same for the former. They are the roles that made her huge name in mainstream media. I also loved her performances in Silver Lining Playbook and American Hustle. Plus, it really feels more complete now that she, McAvoy, Fassbender and Hoult will have four films in this franchise under their belt like most members of the original cast did.

[Andrew NDB]

"My contract was up, I didn't have to do another one, but if I didn't do another one, what would her story be?" she told Digital Spy.

Who cares? Probably something better with an actress willing to actually be blue more than 5% of the time.

[Autbot_Benz]

ugh I hate J Law's Mystique and her whining about having to put on the make up.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

"I felt like I owed it to the fans"

Oh no, Jen, you owe us nothing! By all means, never appear in an X-Men film again!

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

When JLaw says she's "doing it for the fans", we all know she means she's "doing it for the fans' money."

I saw Apocalypse. She was completely uninterested in being there.

[TigerClaw]

Looks like Jessica Chastain isn't playing Lilandra.
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/dark_phoenix/x-men-dark-phoenix-actress-jessica-chastain-says-shes-actually-not-playing-lilandra-in-the-movie-a153702

[Shark_Blade]

I thought Jennifer Lawrence is never coming back but here we are. -_-"

[TheSkeletonMan939]

There is one thing I'll give JLaw credit for: she at least tried to make Days of Future Past more logical. When they were filming the White House lawn scene where she chooses to shoot or spare Trask, Lawrence admitted to the writers that, going off the current script, there was no incentive not to shoot him. So the crew had to get together and re-think the Mystique/Xavier dynamic and rewrite scenes to make her decision to drop the gun more natural.

Unfortunately this just makes the patchwork quality of the film more understandable, and Mystique still has no good reason to drop the gun, but hey, at least she tried.

[Autbot_Benz]

http://comicbook.com/marvel/2017/09/11/nicholas-hoult-beast-x-men-dark-phoenix/

Nicholas Hoult is back as The Incredible Hulk I mean Beast. He only came back because they said his character would go in a new direction. Seriously enough if him being human than only turning into beast when angry.

[Andrew NDB]

http://comicbook.com/marvel/2017/09/11/nicholas-hoult-beast-x-men-dark-phoenix/

Nicholas Hoult is back as The Incredible Hulk I mean Beast. He only came back because they said his character would go in a new direction. Seriously enough if him being human than only turning into beast when angry.

It remains to me truly shocking -- even for Singer -- that they could get a character like Beast so fundamentally wrong. His whole thing is brilliant guy cursed with being the Beast and unable to live a normal life.

[Autbot_Benz]

It remains to me truly shocking -- even for Singer -- that they could get a character like Beast so fundamentally wrong. His whole thing is brilliant guy cursed with being the Beast and unable to live a normal life.

THANK YOU. I totally agree. They got Beast right in X-3 though

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

THANK YOU. I totally agree. They got Beast right in X-3 though

And First Class.

[Andrew NDB]

And First Class.

Yeah. Which is why it's particularly troubling that one of the first things Singer does with his foot back in the door with DofP is go in and screw up Beast. Beast was fine. First Class set him up perfect, and nobody was asking for a second Jennifer Lawrence that can phase in and out of costume.

[Andrew NDB]

Wow... it's really going to be split into 2 movies?

https://www.cosmicbooknews.com/x-men-dark-phoenix-said-be-2-part-movie

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Wow... it's really going to be split into 2 movies?

https://www.cosmicbooknews.com/x-men-dark-phoenix-said-be-2-part-movie

That's definitely not going to help.

[AquaParade]

I absolutely adore Raimi's Spider-Man 2. Love it.
But after watching Homecoming a few more times, I've really appreciated the missing elements that Marvel Studio's helped bring to the silver-screen rendition of Spider-Man:

- It pops with the vibrancy and color of the comics

- Nails the dichotomy between Peter with and without the mask

- and most crucially, by bringing Spider-Man into the Marvel Universe, it highlights just how much of an underdog/outcast Spider-Man is - he isn't the one extraordinary thing in an ordinary world anymore, which brings a humbleness to the character - fantastic.

Letting all that sink in last night, while watching the movie, I realized just how badly the X-Men films need that shot of adrenaline. The X-Men needs a "Spider-Man Homecoming" badly. That's not to say I want the film rights to revert back to Marvel. What I want is for the Singer continuity to be scrapped so the creative team can freshen up and get a new perspective on what makes the X-Men special.

[Krutch]

That's definitely not going to help.Why not?

Take Part 1 to focus on Jean Grey and her relationships while introducing and building up the lore of The Phoenix(while dealing with a different baddie). Have the first movie end with the gut punch of her being taken over by it (or, if they want to mirror X2, have her sacrifice herself) and have Part 2 be the Wrath of Phoenix.

Not how I would have gone about it, but not an awful approach either.

The only x-factor *rimshot* in all of this is whether Simon Winberg knows how to direct or not.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Why not?

Take Part 1 to focus on Jean Grey and her relationships while introducing and building up the lore of The Phoenix(while dealing with a different baddie). Have the first movie end with the gut punch of her being taken over by it (or, if they want to mirror X2, have her sacrifice herself) and have Part 2 be the Wrath of Phoenix.

Not how I would have gone about it, but not an awful approach either.

The only x-factor *rimshot* in all of this is whether Simon Winberg knows how to direct or not.

Why not? Because I think you as a studio or film series have to EARN splitting a movie into two parts. Harry Potter Book 7 earned it, even though the execution of the two final films was somewhat lacking.

The MCU has most definitely earned it with their strategic planning and business model.

Beyond that? I can't think of anyone who has earned that level of trust and storytelling. Maybe Fox's X-Men can pull it off... And maybe Peter Laird will someday finish Mirage Volume 4.

[Krutch]

Ehhh.... I don't know.

I mean, Twilight's last movie was split in two after exclusively bad reviews of every film in that franchise. And if your argument comes from "Well, those movies made a lot of money"...again, compare that to the X-Men films. It's a franchise thats been going on since 2000. Sure, its had ups and downs(as any franchise does with that kind of longevity), but c'mon... That's almost 18 years of financially profitable movies. I'd say that's more than "earned" it's right to come out with a two part story.

What your saying applies more to the Power Rangers movie coming out the gate saying they have 7 sequels planned out as opposed to X-Men, who have proved even their worst movies can still turn a profit.

[Cure]

I'm with Krutch, here. Also super excited for this if it's true.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Ehhh.... I don't know.

I mean, Twilight's last movie was split in two after exclusively bad reviews of every film in that franchise. And if your argument comes from "Well, those movies made a lot of money"...again, compare that to the X-Men films. It's a franchise thats been going on since 2000. Sure, its had ups and downs(as any franchise does with that kind of longevity), but c'mon... That's almost 18 years of financially profitable movies. I'd say that's more than "earned" it's right to come out with a two part story.

What your saying applies more to the Power Rangers movie coming out the gate saying they have 7 sequels planned out as opposed to X-Men, who have proved even their worst movies can still turn a profit.

You make a good point with Twilight. :tlol:

And I'll give you that: X-Men has indeed financially earned the right to split a story into two movies. I might not like the X-Men movies at the moment, but they're still solidly in the black as a franchise.

I'm still cynical about it, though. :twink:

[Krutch]

You make a good point with Twilight. :tlol:

And I'll give you that: X-Men has indeed financially earned the right to split a story into two movies. I might not like the X-Men movies at the moment, but they're still solidly in the black as a franchise.

I'm still cynical about it, though. :twink:
Haha oh yeah, being cynical is completely fair with a director attached with zero experience as well as being a story teller with a.. let's say, less-than-perfect track record :P

I'm still in the wait-and-see camp, myself.

[ToTheNines]

Spider-Man 2 sucks.

[Andrew NDB]

Another FAKE X-Men movie with not even a Jackman cameo for sure this time? Split into two movies? With no "FROM THE DIRECTOR OF X-MEN, X2, AND DAYS OF FUTURE PAST" to slam into trailers? After "Apocalypse" was both a financial and critical failure?

Gonna be like that last Divergent movie, or whatever. Where they forcibly split the last book into two movies... the first one failed, so the second movie never happened and now those fans don't get any kind of ending at all.

Best thing they can do is do some nonsense with FAKE Phoenix and transport them all to 2017, to meet up with what's currently going on with Deadpool and X-Force and all of that and sort of marry it into a unified thing. But they won't.

[Krutch]

For someone whose admittedly unfamiliar with the comics and has no strong nostalgic value attached to the property you're bizarrely passionate about your hatred of the X-Men movies, Andrew. It's amusing, but seriously, why is that?

After "Apocalypse" was both a financial and critical failure?
Incorrect.

Production Budget: $178 million (22 million less than DOFP)
Worldwide Box Office: $543,934,787

Not a financial failure, as much as you want it to be. Domestically? Sure. But don't kid yourself.

Gonna be like that last Divergent movie, or whatever. Where they forcibly split the last book into two movies... the first one failed, so the second movie never happened and now those fans don't get any kind of ending at all.Because if the last 17 years of X-Men movies have proved anything, it's when they release a critically panned movie with less than ideal net profit, they SLAM THE BREAKS AND BAIL OUT!!!! :roll:

Best thing they can do is do some nonsense with FAKE Phoenix and transport them all to 2017, to meet up with what's currently going on with Deadpool and X-Force and all of that and sort of marry it into a unified thing. But they won't.

Don't you mean to meet up with the FAKE Deadpool and FAKE X-Force?

[TurtleTitan97]

The Skrulls might be appearing according to this rumor: https://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/dark_phoenix/rumor-the-skrulls-will-reportedly-make-their-live-action-debut-in-x-men-dark-phoenix-a154601

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

The Skrulls might be appearing according to this rumor: https://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/dark_phoenix/rumor-the-skrulls-will-reportedly-make-their-live-action-debut-in-x-men-dark-phoenix-a154601

Do we have another Quicksilver situation on our hands here? :tlol:

[TigerClaw]

Do we have another Quicksilver situation on our hands here? :tlol:
Both Fox and Marvel have rights to the Skrulls, however, Fox owns the rights to Super Skrull, who was an antagonist of the Fantastic Four.

[Coola Yagami]

But when have the Skrulls had anything to do with the X-Men? They're more of a Fantastic Four/kinda sorta Avengers enemy.

[Autbot_Benz]

The chick who plays storm says Dark Phoenix will be "faithful to the comics"

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/dark_phoenix/alexandra-shipp-promises-that-x-men-dark-phoenix-is-faithful-to-the-comic-books-a154659


I call BS on this you can't have Faithful to the Comics and Simon Kinberg directing in the same vicinity

[Andrew NDB]

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/dark_phoenix/possible-x-men-dark-phoenix-story-details-reveal-a-major-jean-grey-spoiler-a155652

Jean Grey will KILL a character right off the bat! Just like... the last time they tried this story. :roll:

[Autbot_Benz]

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/dark_phoenix/possible-x-men-dark-phoenix-story-details-reveal-a-major-jean-grey-spoiler-a155652

Jean Grey will KILL a character right off the bat! Just like... the last time they tried this story. :roll:

Kill J Law Mystique and I will be happy. But Seriously this movie is gonna be terrible.

[Sumac]

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/dark_phoenix/possible-x-men-dark-phoenix-story-details-reveal-a-major-jean-grey-spoiler-a155652

Jean Grey will KILL a character right off the bat! Just like... the last time they tried this story. :roll:
Didn't it happen in one of the past movies?
And wasn't it pretty much hated by everyone?

[TigerClaw]

Didn't it happen in one of the past movies?
And wasn't it pretty much hated by everyone?
Yeah, It was Cyclops who Jean killed in X-Men: The Last Stand, lots of people hated that, but the reality was, the actor who played Cyclops, at the time was filming his role in Superman Returns, so I guess they had to figured out a way to write him off that movie.

As for who they might kill in this one, I would believe it has to be Mystique, we heard stories about how Jennifer Lawrence hated putting on that makeup for the character, which is why she spends most of the time in human form in the recent movies.

I see the potential of Magneto losing his **** if Mystique ends up getting killed, since those two were pretty were always shipped together in these movies.

[Krutch]

Uh... spoilers?

[Sumac]

Yeah, It was Cyclops who Jean killed in X-Men: The Last Stand, lots of people hated that, but the reality was, the actor who played Cyclops, at the time was filming his role in Superman Returns, so I guess they had to figured out a way to write him off that movie.
I was asking a rhetorical question.:tlol:

As for who they will...? I don't care. Never was fun of X-Men movies and they timeline is a big cluster**** of cluster****ery proportions. That's pretty much the only thing X-Men movies and comic books have in common. :roll:

[ZariusTwo]

Bryan Singer and his production company are no longer tied with FOX.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/bryan-singers-fox-offices-shutting-down-1064305

[TigerClaw]

Bryan Singer and his production company are no longer tied with FOX.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/bryan-singers-fox-offices-shutting-down-1064305
That means the Bryan Singer X-Men era is over.

[Andrew NDB]

That means the Bryan Singer X-Men era is over.

https://m.popkey.co/915022/brWqW.gif

[TigerClaw]

https://m.popkey.co/915022/brWqW.gif
and the start of the Simon Kinberg X-Men Era.

[NinjaPug]

and the start of the Simon Kinberg X-Men Era.

He's been involved since Last Stand.

[Andrew NDB]

and the start of the Simon Kinberg X-Men Era.

If Dark Phoenix gets the same ire as Apocalypse (and there's really no reason to think it wouldn't, or worse probably) Kinberg's totally being thrown out with the bathwater.

Which is moot if Disney's deal goes through, anyway. Feige will clean house on the whole clown college.

[TigerClaw]

He's been involved since Last Stand.
on second thought, it might be the start of the Marvel Studios X-Men Era.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/05/disney-and-fox-are-closing-in-on-deal-could-be-announced-next-week--sources.html

[NinjaPug]

http://ew.com/movies/2017/12/07/xmen-dark-phoenix-first-look-cover/

https://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/mm/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fewedit.files.wordpress.com %2F2017%2F12%2Few1494_t12u3t21t372183.jpg

[NinjaPug]

Another EW article with more photos. I wish they would've given us a look at the costumes in this. Please let them be like the costumes at the very end of Apocalypse.

http://ew.com/movies/xmen-dark-phoenix-first-look-photos/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

[TigerClaw]

Jessica Chastain is playing The Skrull Queen.
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/dark_phoenix/first-official-look-at-jessica-chastain-as-spoiler-in-x-men-dark-phoenix-plus-new-character-details-a156122

https://ewedit.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/000270032hr.jpg

Looks like Fox will be the one to show us a Skrull, before Marvel Studio's Captain Marvel does.

[TigerClaw]

Details On Jean Grey's X-MEN: DARK PHOENIX Transformation Point To Simon Kinberg Making Old Mistakes
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/dark_phoenix/details-on-jean-greys-x-men-dark-phoenix-transformation-point-to-simon-kinberg-making-old-mistakes-a156134

[Andrew NDB]

Details On Jean Grey's X-MEN: DARK PHOENIX Transformation Point To Simon Kinberg Making Old Mistakes
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/dark_phoenix/details-on-jean-greys-x-men-dark-phoenix-transformation-point-to-simon-kinberg-making-old-mistakes-a156134

lol... so all this talk of "they're going to space! They're finally going to space!" just equates to a single scene of the X-Men taking a shuttle up to grab a few astronauts and then heading back down?

Can't wait until next week's news.

[TigerClaw]

lol... so all this talk of "they're going to space! They're finally going to space!" just equates to a single scene of the X-Men taking a shuttle up to grab a few astronauts and then heading back down?

Can't wait until next week's news.
I remember reading about how Simon Kinberg didn't wanted this movie to be grounded, and not too intergalactic.
https://www.cosmicbooknews.com/bad-news-x-men-dark-phoenix-not-going-cosmic

[Krutch]

I wonder if this will even hit theatres now. Disney might just opt to put it on their streaming service.

[CyberCubed]

I wonder if this will even hit theatres now. Disney might just opt to put it on their streaming service.

I very much doubt they'll take a movie made for theaters and make it a "made for TV" movie. :lol:

[NinjaPug]

I wonder if this will even hit theatres now. Disney might just opt to put it on their streaming service.

This was my original thought until I read that it's illegal for Disney and Fox to communicate on their operations during the approval process. No way the deal closes in time for Disney to be able to pull the plug on release. Same reason why Gambit is still going into production shortly.

[CyberCubed]

This movie is almost done. I can understand a movie early in development without anything being filmed like Gambit being canceled, but why would they shut down a nearly completed movie even if they could?

Makes no sense and just sours relations with all parties involved.

[sdp]

Disney shelved the finished Star Wars Detour CG cartoon because they didn't want to make fun of it, they can shelf a movie if they want, they don't need it. I do think this will be the last film though and they'll make a point that this continuity is done.


A more grounded Dark Phoenix saga? Wasn't that what X-Men 3 was? They need to go full sci-fi on this, Fox has already done everything else with the X-Men, in fact that's the saddest thing about the sale, they were about to go to uncharted territories and new things like space and now that they're with Disney we might have to go all the way back to basics.

[Andrew NDB]

The funny part is, remember how they were angling "Dark Phoenix" as "Dark Phoenix, Part 1" and "Dark Phoenix, Part 2"? You can certainly kiss Part 2 goodbye.

https://www.cinemablend.com/news/1707529/wait-will-x-men-dark-phoenix-last-more-than-one-movie

https://screenrant.com/x-men-dark-phoenix-olivia-munn-two-parts/

Basically, good, bad, sucky or awesome... we'll never, ever get more than the first half of the story, if that.

[Krutch]

This was my original thought until I read that it's illegal for Disney and Fox to communicate on their operations during the approval process. No way the deal closes in time for Disney to be able to pull the plug on release. Same reason why Gambit is still going into production shortly.
Ah, I haven't bothered to keep up with the details. Fair enough.

For someone whose admittedly unfamiliar with the comics and has no strong nostalgic value attached to the property you're bizarrely passionate about your hatred of the X-Men movies, Andrew. It's amusing, but seriously, why is that?
Still waiting on that answer, hombre :P

[Andrew NDB]

Ah, I haven't bothered to keep up with the details. Fair enough.


Still waiting on that answer, hombre :P

Oh, I didn't see that. No, no super nostalgic attachment to the X-Men, but I did watch almost all of the cartoon. As a kid I almost undoubtedly watched more of it than I did the Fred Wolf TMNT show. Also, I did pick up several comics growing up. I picked up "Fatal Attractions," where Wolverine gets his adamantium ripped out. I picked up the whole "Age of Apocalypse" storyline and resulting craziness. Some of "Onslaught." "Weapon X." "Origin."

X1 was one thing. I'll grant that it was probably the very best movie it could be at the time it was made and it even kicked open some doors that may have otherwise remained shut a little bit longer for other CBMs. After that, though? Just a sad string of very tiny comic book movies that were ashamed as all hell that they were comic book movies, from (primarily) a director so adamantly against their source material that he would literally ban them from the set.

X-Men movies have a ton of potential. They always have. Arguably bigger than any franchise, bigger than Superman, bigger than Batman. A generational, ongoing legacy story with scores of super cool mutants with unique powers, giant Sentinels swooping around scooping them out of their homes, aliens and alien worlds as commonplace things and adventures, mutant supervillains causing all kinds of havok within the world, spaceships, other worlds, time, and some of the best, most iconic love stories ever seen in comics (Jean and Scott, Rogue and Gambit, etc.).

Singer? The bar was set at, you know... c'mon, folks, everyone get excited at Wolverine skirmishing with some faceless goons in Xavier Mansion! Bah. Now Wolverine is fighting a mutant we're not even afforded any backstory on (Lady Deathstrike, a really cool character from the comics!) in a dam. Wow, that's great. A Cyclops-Jean Grey love story that already happened before the movies even began, with some love triangle tension with Wolverine that doesn't actually get to go anywhere. Magneto as the villain with the same plot every time out. Every. Time. Out. Tons of characters thrown on the screen but never developed even one iota (hell, I was even a little bit... I won't say excited, but interested to see something finally made of Jubilee in "Apocalypse," and Psylocke... yeesh, what an embarrassment), often times conflicting with the other times they were thrown on the screen. Singer: "Oh, did you guys like that Quicksilver running sequence from DofP that was completely divorced from the rest of the movie? I can totally do that again in Apocalypse." I could go on and on.

It's a hot, short-sighted mess. There was hope with where Matthew Vaughn was going to take things beyond First Class before Singer grabbed it away from him with his (allegedly) rapey little hands. Now there is hope again.

[ranger_scout]

A new photo debuted about a month ago.

https://www.cinematographe.it/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/x-men-dark-phoenix-magneto.jpg

http://comicbook.com/marvel/2017/12/28/new-x-men-dark-phoenix-photo-features-a-beaten-magneto/

Also, Hans Zimmer will be doing the score for the film.

http://comicbook.com/marvel/2018/01/25/x-men-dark-phoenix-hans-zimmer/

[ZariusTwo]

Well that retirement from superhero scoring did'nt last long:roll:

[Andrew NDB]

Also, Hans Zimmer will be doing the score for the film.

Well, firing Ottman isn't the worst decision ever.

[AquaParade]

This is the first piece of news that has actively got me interested in the movie. Not that I only care about the score, but there just wasn't enough pulling me in before.

I just rewatched The Dark Knight last night, and Zimmer's score is very tense, tasteful, well done.
And good lord, that movie is still completely captivating. One of the rare movies I can watch without picking up my phone or getting distracted.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I might not watch the movie, but I'll definitely download the soundtrack!

[Andrew NDB]

I still find myself watching the "Dark Knight Rises" Nokia trailer every now and again, if only for the selection of Zimmer's score within and how it's used. It's fantastic.

SNf_jxyXUZA

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Well, firing Ottman isn't the worst decision ever.

Ottman is a capable composer, but DoFP and Apocalypse would have you think differently -- they're not very good at all. Give him permission to write a full-blooded orchestral score, though, and he'll do a great job -- Fox execs seem petrified of going that route unfortunately.
Ottman probably was never going to get the job anyway, as he's Singer's favorite (who of course is nowhere to be found these days, though I hope Ottman's career doesn't suffer for that).

Well that retirement from superhero scoring did'nt last long:roll:

You have to understand that a lot of these Zimmer scores - not all, but a lot - have swaths of material not directly written by Zimmer. Zimmer enjoys finding young, talented guys and giving them jobs -- big-budget jobs -- that they otherwise wouldn't have in a million years. Amazing Spider-Man 2, for instance, was him just jamming out with some buddies. Blade Runner 2049 featured more music by Ben Wallfisch than Zimmer. So when he takes jobs like this it isn't for him. He gets blanket credit but in reality he will take the role of overseer - write some themes and maybe the bigger action cues - while others do some of the nitty-gritty stuff. On PotC 3 he had at least 8 people writing additional material, some of whom in the decade since have their own careers established now.

Then later music execs can look through the cue sheet or whatever and see that, hmm, a guy named Henry Jackman worked on this good one, and this one here... maybe he can handle the responsibility of a full movie while emulating Zimmer's style. That's exactly how Junkie XL got the Justice League job (before you-know-what happened).

[ranger_scout]

Rose Byne won't be returning as Moira MacTaggert this time around.

Unfortunately, Moira is not showing up. I wish she was. I had such fun on X-Men: Apocalypse. I love that cast. It is a really fun, what do you call it? Superhero film… ensemble exactly. I can’t wait to see what [Jessica Chastain] does, ’cause I’m such a fan.


http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/919901-rose-byrne-will-not-return-for-x-men-dark-phoenix

[Autbot_Benz]

http://www.darkhorizons.com/more-several-month-delays-for-x-men/


Delayed until February 14th 2019.

[NinjaPug]

Allows more time for the Disney acquisition to be completed and for this to be removed from theaters altogether. I still think this never hits theaters and gets thrown on Hulu or Disney's new streaming service next year. Same with New Mutants.

I'm sure Feige won't want a non-MCU movie with skrulls coming out less than a month before a MCU movie with Skrulls does.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'd completely forgotten about this movie. Still not interested.

[AquaParade]

Allows more time for the Disney acquisition to be completed and for this to be removed from theaters altogether. I still think this never hits theaters and gets thrown on Hulu or Disney's new streaming service next year. Same with New Mutants.

I'm sure Feige won't want a non-MCU movie with skrulls coming out less than a month before a MCU movie with Skrulls does.

That's an interesting theory. I am inclined to believe it's something more than just creative changes, so I like the way you're thinking.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

That's an interesting theory. I am inclined to believe it's something more than just creative changes, so I like the way you're thinking.

Could be. Sounds a lot more likely now that TWO X-Men movies are getting pushed to 2019.

[NinjaPug]

This would put two Marvel movies set in the 90's with Skrulls as antagonists 3 weeks apart. No way Disney allows that. This movie will keep getting pushed if necessary until the acquisition is complete.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

This would put two Marvel movies set in the 90's with Skrulls as antagonists 3 weeks apart. No way Disney allows that. This movie will keep getting pushed if necessary until the acquisition is complete.

We all know the X-Men Skrulls are going to be in name only. I wouldn't be worried if I were Disney.

[TigerClaw]

They probably moved them because in 2019 is when Disney would own Fox.

[ranger_scout]

The reason for the delay is that after showing the film to test audiences, FOX decided to do some reshoots. However, they will not be done until after September because Sophie Turner has to finish filming the final season of Game of Thrones by then. There just wasn't room in her schedule to do the reshoots in time to release the film in November of this year.

http://comicbook.com/marvel/2018/03/27/x-men-dark-phoenix-requiring-significant-reshoots/

Also, here's a photo that was taken during production a while ago.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DX4UO5UW0AEKKHh.jpg

http://comicbook.com/marvel/2018/03/10/x-men-dark-phoenix-set-photo-new-costumes/

[Andrew NDB]

The reason for the delay is that after showing the film to test audiences, FOX decided to do some reshoots. However, they will not be done until after September because Sophie Turner has to finish filming the final season of Game of Thrones by then.

Oh, good. That's right around the time the Disney acquisition of Fox should be approved.

That may actually be part of the reasons for all of these delays. The closer these Foxmen movies drop before the government gives the Disney thing the thumbs up, the higher the likelihood (the producers at Fox as it exists now would hope, anyway) that Disney would grudgingly grandfather them into the MCU rather than if they were further back and easier to ignore, not as fresh in people's minds. Maybe.

All of that is irrelevant, of course, if it turns out they suck.

[TigerClaw]

Oh, good. That's right around the time the Disney acquisition of Fox should be approved.

That may actually be part of the reasons for all of these delays. The closer these Foxmen movies drop before the government gives the Disney thing the thumbs up, the higher the likelihood (the producers at Fox as it exists now would hope, anyway) that Disney would grudgingly grandfather them into the MCU rather than if they were further back and easier to ignore, not as fresh in people's minds. Maybe.

All of that is irrelevant, of course, if it turns out they suck.
The X-Men universe will get rebooted for the MCU. the current state of them are too grounded and would not fit in well with the MCU.

One of the disappointing things I heard about Dark Phoenix is that its not cosmic. The only cosmic elements i heard is they go on that one mission in a space shuttle and that's it.

The X-Men has all sorts of cool Cosmic stuff that the movies never explored. So I'm hoping a Marvel Studios X-Men would explore those areas. For example the Starjammers would be cool to see on the big screen.

[Spike Spiegel]

Also, here's a photo that was taken during production a while ago.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DX4UO5UW0AEKKHh.jpg

http://comicbook.com/marvel/2018/03/10/x-men-dark-phoenix-set-photo-new-costumes/

Those suits look like a bridge between the ones from First Class and the ones from the very first film back in 2000.

[NinjaPug]

Oh, good. That's right around the time the Disney acquisition of Fox should be approved.

That may actually be part of the reasons for all of these delays. The closer these Foxmen movies drop before the government gives the Disney thing the thumbs up, the higher the likelihood (the producers at Fox as it exists now would hope, anyway) that Disney would grudgingly grandfather them into the MCU rather than if they were further back and easier to ignore, not as fresh in people's minds. Maybe.

All of that is irrelevant, of course, if it turns out they suck.

I don't think there is any chance of that happening. They're rebooting this as soon as they can which is why I keep thinking they'll pull this from theaters altogether if they're able to in order to increase the distance between X-Men movies.

[ranger_scout]

Those suits look like a bridge between the ones from First Class and the ones from the very first film back in 2000.

That's a very good description there.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

So apparently Phoenix reshoots are delayed because Sansa Stark has to go film her final season...

I dunno, I'm still reaaaaaaaaaally leaning into the conspiracy theories on this one.

Deadpool 2 is being allowed to go through for its normal release, because everybody loves Deadpool and it is its own thing.

But the other two X-films? Nobody has confidence in them as is, and they're getting shoved further out... while talks continue to happen...

Somebody post that Kevin Feige GIF. :tlol:

[Andrew NDB]

So apparently Phoenix reshoots are delayed because Sansa Stark has to go film her final season...

I dunno, I'm still reaaaaaaaaaally leaning into the conspiracy theories on this one.

Deadpool 2 is being allowed to go through for its normal release, because everybody loves Deadpool and it is its own thing.

But the other two X-films? Nobody has confidence in them as is, and they're getting shoved further out... while talks continue to happen...

Somebody post that Kevin Feige GIF. :tlol:

Yeah, there's definitely something going on here other than what they're saying. Something with Disney.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Yeah, there's definitely something going on here other than what they're saying. Something with Disney.

I'm really looking forward to 2019 and seeing how many of my personal tinfoil theories come true.

Like a Fantastic Four, Silver Surfer, or Galactus end credits scene for Avengers 4...

Or these films not happening except in some weird limited way as Marvel announces the X-Men are MCU official now...

Like, how do we know Channing Tatum's Gambit didn't become a casualty of the MCU acquisition?

Spooooooooookkkkkyyyyy... :shifty:

[Andrew NDB]

I'm really looking forward to 2019 and seeing how many of my personal tinfoil theories come true.

Like a Fantastic Four, Silver Surfer, or Galactus end credits scene for Avengers 4...

Or these films not happening except in some weird limited way as Marvel announces the X-Men are MCU official now...

Like, how do we know Channing Tatum's Gambit didn't become a casualty of the MCU acquisition?

Spooooooooookkkkkyyyyy... :shifty:

I think things may be further along than anyone is letting on. That, even while the government hasn't given full approval yet... there is handshakes and agreements going on to placate the "new owners."

Because think about it. If you're a suit working at Fox right now on an X-Men movie, or a Fantastic Four-related movie, you must be aware of the news, right? You can't be oblivious to the fact that in about 8 months, the government is on track to approve a total buyout of the studio you work at by Disney, right? My point is, it would really, really behoove you to be super nice and accommodating to everyone at Disney leading up to that. i.e., including Disney using their characters sooner than expected, or shutting down this, or mothballing that (or maybe add a "Thanos steps in and destroys their universe!" reshoot scene to both New Mutants and Dark Phoenix). Because hey, if you play ball now, Disney might even let you keep your job when the smoke settles. If they're dicks now to Disney, there'd be slim to no chance they would.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I think things may be further along than anyone is letting on. That, even while the government hasn't given full approval yet... there is handshakes and agreements going on to placate the "new owners."

Because think about it. If you're a suit working at Fox right now on an X-Men movie, or a Fantastic Four-related movie, you must be aware of the news, right? You can't be oblivious to the fact that in about 8 months, the government is on track to approve a total buyout of the studio you work at by Disney, right? My point is, it would really, really behoove you to be super nice and accommodating to everyone at Disney leading up to that. i.e., including Disney using their characters sooner than expected, or shutting down this, or mothballing that (or maybe add a "Thanos steps in and destroys their universe!" reshoot scene to both New Mutants and Dark Phoenix). Because hey, if you play ball now, Disney might even let you keep your job when the smoke settles. If they're dicks now to Disney, there'd be slim to no chance they would.

Exactly.

Except some of them aren't in on that strategy, 'cause we keep hearing about a Doctor Doom movie or the Fantastic Four Kids movie... which I personally assume is just some suit keeping the interns busy in a corner somewhere so they don't spill coffee on the copier machine. :tlol:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Just had to go back and look at the list of X-Men movies we're totally absolutely going to someday see on the big screen. Man, Fox has almost as much spaghetti on the wall as WB/DC... :tlol:

Filmed and gonna happen (somehow)
Deadpool 2
X-Men: Dark Phoenix
New Mutants

Sequels we can (maybe) count on
X-Force / Deadpool 3
X-23

Sure, Fox, keep dreaming and someday it'll happen...
Gambit
Kitty Pryde
Multiple Man
Doctor Doom
Silver Surfer
Fantastic Four reboot

[Andrew NDB]

Except some of them aren't in on that strategy, 'cause we keep hearing about a Doctor Doom movie or the Fantastic Four Kids movie...

See, these are the things that confound me.

[ProphetofGanja]

I'm really looking forward to 2019 and seeing how many of my personal tinfoil theories come true.

Like a Fantastic Four, Silver Surfer, or Galactus end credits scene for Avengers 4...


I like to think that Marvel Studios, especially Kevin Feige, are able to take a more measured approach and not rush into any film properties they acquire from Fox.

As much as I absolutely LOVE the Fantastic Four, Dr. Doom, Galactus and the Silver Surfer, I don't want to see them handled poorly. And I think after building up the cosmic threat that is Thanos for ten years, the MCU needs to focus on more grounded, smaller-scale stories for at least a little while before introducing another "OMG this is The End!"-type villains or scenarios.

And then the X-Men have the potential to f#ck up the whole MCU if mishandled, so that's worrying. The introduction of mutants to the MCU (as opposed to the "miracles" we got in the form of Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch) has the potential to be its own phase of the MCU, if it even continues to use phases that far into the future.

In any case, it'll probably be almost 2025 before Disney/Marvel is able to release any movies using characters whose film rights used to belong to Fox.

[Autbot_Benz]

Plot Breakdown from Reddit of this movie

The X-Men are celebrities for saving the world from Apocalypse.

Xavier is happy they're finally proving to the world how good mutants can be, and keeps pushing the team to do more.

Mystique thinks he's pushing everyone too far, specially Jean, who is trying to figure out her powers after manifesting the Phoenix against Apocalypse.

Cyclops is hooking up with Jean, Mystique is hooking up with Beast and Quicksilver and Nightcrawler are both trying to hook up with Storm (funny gag where Xavier claims he doesn't allow romantic relationships between X-Men while cutting to everyone else hooking up).

Magneto is now living in the island of Genosha, where he runs a safe haven for mutant outcasts, kinda' like his own school.

Genosha is filled with mutant fugitives, and the government is scared Magneto might be building another army in secret.

The X-Men are approached by Agent Smith (Jessica Chastain), an intelligence operative who needs their help to repair a malfunctioning space shuttle.

Mystique doesn't trust Smith and doesn't think the team is ready, Xavier overrules her. The X-Men head into space, but their ship malfunctions and they almost die.

Jean manifests the Phoenix again and saves everyone, but releases an energy surge that damages satellites or something.

The government is angry and Xavier puts Jean on probation, which gets her angry.

At Mystique's behest, Beast starts doing some investigative work about the shuttle malfunction and finds evidence of sabotage.

Meanwhile, Smith meets with a cabal of government agents from agencies all over the world - They are shapeshifting aliens, the Skrulls, and are engineering a war to wipe out both humans and mutants, and awakening the Phoenix is part of their plan.

Jean begins having nightmares and losing control of her powers. Xavier probes her mind during one of their sessions and sees alien stuff, but Jean senses him and violently pushes him out.

Xavier is concerned with Jean's personality changes and doesn't want her out, but the kids sneak out to go to a nightclub, where they get into a brawl. Jean loses control, accidentally trashes the place, and the X-Men face public backlash.

Agent Smith demands to run a psychiatric evaluation on Jean. Beast takes the opportunity to collect a sample of her DNA and finds out Smith is not human.

Smith psychologically tortures Jean and causes the Phoenix to emerge again. Jean loses control and telekinetically trashes the X-Mansion. Beast gets impaled by a piece of debris and dies. Jean is horrified and flees.

After Beast's funeral, Xavier and Mystique get into a fight. Smith wants Jean found and detained because she's dangerous, or all the X-Men will face consequences. Xavier begrudgingly complies.

Jean goes to Genosha. Magneto shelters her. Xavier contacts him and demands he turn over Jean. Magneto says he won't betray his kind for mutants like Xavier is doing.

Mystique finds Beast's research on the Skrulls and alerts Xavier.

The government deploys a strike team to Genosha to capture Jean and the other refugees. They kill a mutant Jean had befriended.

Xavier confronts Smith while the X-Men go to Genosha. His telepathy doesn't work on Skrulls, and Smith overpowers him.

She reveals that her real name is Lilandra and that the Skrulls worship the Phoenix and want to unleash so they can conquer Earth in her wake. The Phoenix's physical form was destroyed in the past and she was reborn as Jean.

The X-Men get to Genosha but it's already in ruins. They rescue Magneto, while Jean kills the strike team and goes on a rampage.

Mystique rescues Xavier from Smith, who escapes and initiates their invasion. Skrulls across the world disable the defensive systems of the governments they have infiltrate and deploy their own fleet of spaceships to subjugate the planet.

The Phoenix unleashes destruction in Washington while the X-Men protect civilians. Cyclops reaches out to Jean and convinces her to stop. Jean then rejoins the X-Men to fight the Skrulls.

Xavier reverse-engineers Cerebro based on Beast's research and neutralizes the Skrulls worldwide, while Mystique fights Lilandra and manages to kill her.

With her dying breath, Lilandra sets off a bomb that'll destroy the whole planet.

Jean sacrifices herself to contain the blast and dies. The X-Men mourn her.

The government blames the X-Men for everything and order their arrest. Xavier is forced to give up his dream of pacific co-existence to protect his students. The school is closed, and the X-Men go on the run, now as public enemies. Magneto sticks around this time.

**** this movie

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Plot Breakdown from Reddit of this movie

The X-Men are celebrities for saving the world from Apocalypse.

Xavier is happy they're finally proving to the world how good mutants can be, and keeps pushing the team to do more.

Mystique thinks he's pushing everyone too far, specially Jean, who is trying to figure out her powers after manifesting the Phoenix against Apocalypse.

Cyclops is hooking up with Jean, Mystique is hooking up with Beast and Quicksilver and Nightcrawler are both trying to hook up with Storm (funny gag where Xavier claims he doesn't allow romantic relationships between X-Men while cutting to everyone else hooking up).

Magneto is now living in the island of Genosha, where he runs a safe haven for mutant outcasts, kinda' like his own school.

Genosha is filled with mutant fugitives, and the government is scared Magneto might be building another army in secret.

The X-Men are approached by Agent Smith (Jessica Chastain), an intelligence operative who needs their help to repair a malfunctioning space shuttle.

Mystique doesn't trust Smith and doesn't think the team is ready, Xavier overrules her. The X-Men head into space, but their ship malfunctions and they almost die.

Jean manifests the Phoenix again and saves everyone, but releases an energy surge that damages satellites or something.

The government is angry and Xavier puts Jean on probation, which gets her angry.

At Mystique's behest, Beast starts doing some investigative work about the shuttle malfunction and finds evidence of sabotage.

Meanwhile, Smith meets with a cabal of government agents from agencies all over the world - They are shapeshifting aliens, the Skrulls, and are engineering a war to wipe out both humans and mutants, and awakening the Phoenix is part of their plan.

Jean begins having nightmares and losing control of her powers. Xavier probes her mind during one of their sessions and sees alien stuff, but Jean senses him and violently pushes him out.

Xavier is concerned with Jean's personality changes and doesn't want her out, but the kids sneak out to go to a nightclub, where they get into a brawl. Jean loses control, accidentally trashes the place, and the X-Men face public backlash.

Agent Smith demands to run a psychiatric evaluation on Jean. Beast takes the opportunity to collect a sample of her DNA and finds out Smith is not human.

Smith psychologically tortures Jean and causes the Phoenix to emerge again. Jean loses control and telekinetically trashes the X-Mansion. Beast gets impaled by a piece of debris and dies. Jean is horrified and flees.

After Beast's funeral, Xavier and Mystique get into a fight. Smith wants Jean found and detained because she's dangerous, or all the X-Men will face consequences. Xavier begrudgingly complies.

Jean goes to Genosha. Magneto shelters her. Xavier contacts him and demands he turn over Jean. Magneto says he won't betray his kind for mutants like Xavier is doing.

Mystique finds Beast's research on the Skrulls and alerts Xavier.

The government deploys a strike team to Genosha to capture Jean and the other refugees. They kill a mutant Jean had befriended.

Xavier confronts Smith while the X-Men go to Genosha. His telepathy doesn't work on Skrulls, and Smith overpowers him.

She reveals that her real name is Lilandra and that the Skrulls worship the Phoenix and want to unleash so they can conquer Earth in her wake. The Phoenix's physical form was destroyed in the past and she was reborn as Jean.

The X-Men get to Genosha but it's already in ruins. They rescue Magneto, while Jean kills the strike team and goes on a rampage.

Mystique rescues Xavier from Smith, who escapes and initiates their invasion. Skrulls across the world disable the defensive systems of the governments they have infiltrate and deploy their own fleet of spaceships to subjugate the planet.

The Phoenix unleashes destruction in Washington while the X-Men protect civilians. Cyclops reaches out to Jean and convinces her to stop. Jean then rejoins the X-Men to fight the Skrulls.

Xavier reverse-engineers Cerebro based on Beast's research and neutralizes the Skrulls worldwide, while Mystique fights Lilandra and manages to kill her.

With her dying breath, Lilandra sets off a bomb that'll destroy the whole planet.

Jean sacrifices herself to contain the blast and dies. The X-Men mourn her.

The government blames the X-Men for everything and order their arrest. Xavier is forced to give up his dream of pacific co-existence to protect his students. The school is closed, and the X-Men go on the run, now as public enemies. Magneto sticks around this time.

**** this movie

I'd actually enjoy that movie. Completely not accurate to the comics, but I'd watch that!

So it's probably bogus. After all, reshoots. :tlol:

[TigerClaw]

I like to think that Marvel Studios, especially Kevin Feige, are able to take a more measured approach and not rush into any film properties they acquire from Fox.

As much as I absolutely LOVE the Fantastic Four, Dr. Doom, Galactus and the Silver Surfer, I don't want to see them handled poorly. And I think after building up the cosmic threat that is Thanos for ten years, the MCU needs to focus on more grounded, smaller-scale stories for at least a little while before introducing another "OMG this is The End!"-type villains or scenarios.

And then the X-Men have the potential to f#ck up the whole MCU if mishandled, so that's worrying. The introduction of mutants to the MCU (as opposed to the "miracles" we got in the form of Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch) has the potential to be its own phase of the MCU, if it even continues to use phases that far into the future.

In any case, it'll probably be almost 2025 before Disney/Marvel is able to release any movies using characters whose film rights used to belong to Fox.
I'm curious how the MCU would handle Magneto. He's a very popular marvel villain and they cannot screw him up.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm curious how the MCU would handle Magneto. He's a very popular marvel villain and they cannot screw him up.

Like Oroku Saki was a popular TMNT villain and there's no way Platinum Dunes could have screwed him up? Never forget what Jeff Goldblum said:

"Incompetence... Finds a way"

[Andrew NDB]

I saw an extended version of that synopsis. It goes like this:

Xavier is happy they're finally proving to the world how good mutants can be, and keeps pushing the team to do more.

Mystique thinks he's pushing everyone too far, specially Jean, who is trying to figure out her powers after manifesting the Phoenix against Apocalypse.

Cyclops is hooking up with Jean, Mystique is hooking up with Beast and Quicksilver and Nightcrawler are both trying to hook up with Storm (funny gag where Xavier claims he doesn't allow romantic relationships between X-Men while cutting to everyone else hooking up).

Magneto is now living in the island of Genosha, where he runs a safe haven for mutant outcasts, kinda' like his own school.

Genosha is filled with mutant fugitives, and the government is scared Magneto might be building another army in secret.

The X-Men are approached by Agent Smith (Jessica Chastain), an intelligence operative who needs their help to repair a malfunctioning space shuttle.

Mystique doesn't trust Smith and doesn't think the team is ready, Xavier overrules her. The X-Men head into space, but their ship malfunctions and they almost die.

Jean manifests the Phoenix again and saves everyone, but releases an energy surge that damages satellites or something.

The government is angry and Xavier puts Jean on probation, which gets her angry.

At Mystique's behest, Beast starts doing some investigative work about the shuttle malfunction and finds evidence of sabotage.

Meanwhile, Smith meets with a cabal of government agents from agencies all over the world - They are shapeshifting aliens, the Skrulls, and are engineering a war to wipe out both humans and mutants, and awakening the Phoenix is part of their plan.

Jean begins having nightmares and losing control of her powers. Xavier probes her mind during one of their sessions and sees alien stuff, but Jean senses him and violently pushes him out.

Xavier is concerned with Jean's personality changes and doesn't want her out, but the kids sneak out to go to a nightclub, where they get into a brawl. Jean loses control, accidentally trashes the place, and the X-Men face public backlash.

Agent Smith demands to run a psychiatric evaluation on Jean. Beast takes the opportunity to collect a sample of her DNA and finds out Smith is not human.

Smith psychologically tortures Jean and causes the Phoenix to emerge again. Jean loses control and telekinetically trashes the X-Mansion. Beast gets impaled by a piece of debris and dies. Jean is horrified and flees.

After Beast's funeral, Xavier and Mystique get into a fight. Smith wants Jean found and detained because she's dangerous, or all the X-Men will face consequences. Xavier begrudgingly complies.

Jean goes to Genosha. Magneto shelters her. Xavier contacts him and demands he turn over Jean. Magneto says he won't betray his kind for mutants like Xavier is doing.

Mystique finds Beast's research on the Skrulls and alerts Xavier.

The government deploys a strike team to Genosha to capture Jean and the other refugees. They kill a mutant Jean had befriended.

Xavier confronts Smith while the X-Men go to Genosha. His telepathy doesn't work on Skrulls, and Smith overpowers him.

She reveals that her real name is Lilandra and that the Skrulls worship the Phoenix and want to unleash so they can conquer Earth in her wake. The Phoenix's physical form was destroyed in the past and she was reborn as Jean.

The X-Men get to Genosha but it's already in ruins. They rescue Magneto, while Jean kills the strike team and goes on a rampage.

Mystique rescues Xavier from Smith, who escapes and initiates their invasion. Skrulls across the world disable the defensive systems of the governments they have infiltrate and deploy their own fleet of spaceships to subjugate the planet.

The Phoenix unleashes destruction in Washington while the X-Men protect civilians. Cyclops reaches out to Jean and convinces her to stop. Jean then rejoins the X-Men to fight the Skrulls.

Xavier reverse-engineers Cerebro based on Beast's research and neutralizes the Skrulls worldwide, while Mystique fights Lilandra and manages to kill her.

With her dying breath, Lilandra sets off a bomb that'll destroy the whole planet.

Jean sacrifices herself to contain the blast and dies. The X-Men mourn her.

The government blames the X-Men for everything and order their arrest. Xavier is forced to give up his dream of pacific co-existence to protect his students. The school is closed, and the X-Men go on the run, now as public enemies. Magneto sticks around this time.

Out of nowhere, Thanos appears from a portal. He says, "Wow, this universe sure looks like hot garbage. I guess I need to balance the Multiverse, too!" before waving his gauntlet around, wiping out the entire planet. Beast is almost able to stop him but he didn't take the right Singer pill today to enable Beast mode so he's the first one to get vaporized.

End credits.

[ranger_scout]

I saw an extended version of that synopsis. It goes like this:

Xavier is happy they're finally proving to the world how good mutants can be, and keeps pushing the team to do more.

Mystique thinks he's pushing everyone too far, specially Jean, who is trying to figure out her powers after manifesting the Phoenix against Apocalypse.

Cyclops is hooking up with Jean, Mystique is hooking up with Beast and Quicksilver and Nightcrawler are both trying to hook up with Storm (funny gag where Xavier claims he doesn't allow romantic relationships between X-Men while cutting to everyone else hooking up).

Magneto is now living in the island of Genosha, where he runs a safe haven for mutant outcasts, kinda' like his own school.

Genosha is filled with mutant fugitives, and the government is scared Magneto might be building another army in secret.

The X-Men are approached by Agent Smith (Jessica Chastain), an intelligence operative who needs their help to repair a malfunctioning space shuttle.

Mystique doesn't trust Smith and doesn't think the team is ready, Xavier overrules her. The X-Men head into space, but their ship malfunctions and they almost die.

Jean manifests the Phoenix again and saves everyone, but releases an energy surge that damages satellites or something.

The government is angry and Xavier puts Jean on probation, which gets her angry.

At Mystique's behest, Beast starts doing some investigative work about the shuttle malfunction and finds evidence of sabotage.

Meanwhile, Smith meets with a cabal of government agents from agencies all over the world - They are shapeshifting aliens, the Skrulls, and are engineering a war to wipe out both humans and mutants, and awakening the Phoenix is part of their plan.

Jean begins having nightmares and losing control of her powers. Xavier probes her mind during one of their sessions and sees alien stuff, but Jean senses him and violently pushes him out.

Xavier is concerned with Jean's personality changes and doesn't want her out, but the kids sneak out to go to a nightclub, where they get into a brawl. Jean loses control, accidentally trashes the place, and the X-Men face public backlash.

Agent Smith demands to run a psychiatric evaluation on Jean. Beast takes the opportunity to collect a sample of her DNA and finds out Smith is not human.

Smith psychologically tortures Jean and causes the Phoenix to emerge again. Jean loses control and telekinetically trashes the X-Mansion. Beast gets impaled by a piece of debris and dies. Jean is horrified and flees.

After Beast's funeral, Xavier and Mystique get into a fight. Smith wants Jean found and detained because she's dangerous, or all the X-Men will face consequences. Xavier begrudgingly complies.

Jean goes to Genosha. Magneto shelters her. Xavier contacts him and demands he turn over Jean. Magneto says he won't betray his kind for mutants like Xavier is doing.

Mystique finds Beast's research on the Skrulls and alerts Xavier.

The government deploys a strike team to Genosha to capture Jean and the other refugees. They kill a mutant Jean had befriended.

Xavier confronts Smith while the X-Men go to Genosha. His telepathy doesn't work on Skrulls, and Smith overpowers him.

She reveals that her real name is Lilandra and that the Skrulls worship the Phoenix and want to unleash so they can conquer Earth in her wake. The Phoenix's physical form was destroyed in the past and she was reborn as Jean.

The X-Men get to Genosha but it's already in ruins. They rescue Magneto, while Jean kills the strike team and goes on a rampage.

Mystique rescues Xavier from Smith, who escapes and initiates their invasion. Skrulls across the world disable the defensive systems of the governments they have infiltrate and deploy their own fleet of spaceships to subjugate the planet.

The Phoenix unleashes destruction in Washington while the X-Men protect civilians. Cyclops reaches out to Jean and convinces her to stop. Jean then rejoins the X-Men to fight the Skrulls.

Xavier reverse-engineers Cerebro based on Beast's research and neutralizes the Skrulls worldwide, while Mystique fights Lilandra and manages to kill her.

With her dying breath, Lilandra sets off a bomb that'll destroy the whole planet.

Jean sacrifices herself to contain the blast and dies. The X-Men mourn her.

The government blames the X-Men for everything and order their arrest. Xavier is forced to give up his dream of pacific co-existence to protect his students. The school is closed, and the X-Men go on the run, now as public enemies. Magneto sticks around this time.

Out of nowhere, Thanos appears from a portal. He says, "Wow, this universe sure looks like hot garbage. I guess I need to balance the Multiverse, too!" before waving his gauntlet around, wiping out the entire planet. Beast is almost able to stop him but he didn't take the right Singer pill today to enable Beast mode so he's the first one to get vaporized.

End credits.

They probably have to go through massive reshoots because:

It doesn't make sense for Jean to die at a young age because she is shown to be alive and well in the newly created timeline at the end of Days of Future Past.

[raph27]

They probably have to go through massive reshoots because:

It doesn't make sense for Jean to die at a young age because she is shown to be alive and well in the newly created timeline at the end of Days of Future Past.

Then again, the X-Men movie timeline isn't exactly known for making sense.

[Andrew NDB]

Then again, the X-Men movie timeline isn't exactly known for making sense.

That's fine. Let the whole kit and kaboodle die like the Singerverse began: a frustratingly confusing and short-sighted mess.

[Coola Yagami]

Right, they kept making cameos and references without thinking 'wait, we might have to use that character in a sequel'. It was a hot mess.

[ranger_scout]

The stuff from Reddit is apparently fake.

https://twitter.com/manabyte/status/979418031599190017?s=21