The Matrix reboot in the works

[NinjaPug]

Sigh....of course it is.

Zak Penn doing the treatment? Double whammy.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/matrix-reboot-works-at-warner-bros-986292

[ToTheNines]

I know it's a bit cliche to rag on reboots as they're announced, but this one is entirely too soon. The first 2 still hold up great.

[sdp]

Matrix needs a sequel to the first one that ignores Reloaded/Revolutions or just set at a different time from the time of Neo.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

For frak's sake.

Nothing is sacred.

Let's reboot Citizen Kane and Casablanca while we're at it, hmm?

[TigerClaw]

The Wachowskis are not involved with the reboot.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/3459590542/3d38f7054520025cc9d815cc63dd3c60_400x400.jpeg

what the living fugg

This is one movie I thought Hollywood in a million years would never try to 'reboot'.

[TigerClaw]

They should totally call it. "The Matrix Rebooted"

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

They should totally call it. "The Matrix Rebooted"

That...

Well, it would be hilarious. :tlol:

[TigerClaw]

That...

Well, it would be hilarious. :tlol:
I know right? cause we have The Matrix, The Matrix Reloaded, The Matrix Revolution, and if they are rebooting it, it would make sense if they called it The Matrix Rebooted.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I know right? cause we have The Matrix, The Matrix Reloaded, The Matrix Revolution, and if they are rebooting it, it would make sense if they called it The Matrix Rebooted.

It would be refreshingly honest as well.

[Cure]

Nice, I'll watch it. I hope it's awesome.

[CyberCubed]

The first Matrix was a decent movie that was a bit overrated simply because it was the first movie that popularized the, "slow motion bullets and stopping time" during the middle of fights, but a lot of that doesn't stand out as new or interesting anymore.

The other two movies were a bore. Matrix has nothing going for it anymore. Even the whole, "The real world is just a computer simulation" has been overdone in sci-fi for years, like in Star Trek's holodeck episodes.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

I never got the appeal for Matrix either.
People kept telling me that, 'oh, this movie is so deep! It'll really make you think!' By the time the credits rolled it just felt like another goofy popcorn movie.

[CyberCubed]

The movie came out when I was like 13-14, even as a young teenager I thought it was kind of silly.

[kaptainmyke]

But there are no more payphones?

[DestronMirage22]

Who wanted this?

[sdp]

I wanted this, The Matrix was my favorite movie until the sequels kind of affected my opinion on the franchise. I recently saw the trilogy after not watching it in over a decade and....

The Matrix: Still pretty goddamn awesome and a true classic. One of the best movies ever.

Reloaded: Great at world building, seriously most of the characters introduced are awesome even if the story is kind of weird but that's fine because all they're doing is setting up the third movie..

Revolutions: They didn't fix the story and go for a terrible route, gone is the awesome world building that they did and instead it's a boring generic action movie.

So yeah, make a sequel to the original years later or a prequel or whatever, the world is awesome, especially the ideas of what The Matrix world actually is like that we saw in full in Reloaded. The movie is basically 20 years old now so it's fine to reboot it, but it doesn't have to be a full reboot. My first thoughts after re-watching the trilogy was "I want a new great Matrix film"

[Wesley]

I never got the appeal for Matrix either.
People kept telling me that, 'oh, this movie is so deep! It'll really make you think!' By the time the credits rolled it just felt like another goofy popcorn movie.

Agreed. I only watched the first film recently, though, so parts of it were probably dated. Didn't know what was going on most of the time. One of the most overrated films ever, in my opinion. I thought the tv film Virtual Nightmare did the whole premise better.

[Andrew NDB]

There's really no reason to hard reboot it at all when the very premise of the Matrix would lend itself perfectly to a "soft" reboot. I mean, just think about it. Though I'd really rather just see the Wachowskis come back and make a truly awesome, back in full form Matrix 4.

First one is amazing, and timeless. Second one bored me to tears, and its plot seems meaningless in the end. Third one was OK. For 2 and 3, it kind of seemed like they had good enough ideas to make one proper sequel... but they stretched it all out needlessly into 2 movies, and it feels like it.

[CyberCubed]

It's kinda funny the first Matrix came out when the internet was just barely mainstream.

[snake]

Why? Just make a sequel or soft reboot it.

[sdp]

Well the article mentions that they're planning on re-launching The Matrix, not rebooting it. The majority of the people don't even read the articles and you get so much speculation on something that may not even be true. So yeah we might get a sequel or soft reboot of sorts, that's what I think they'll do.

The Matrix is full of potential for making great movies though the whole no more payphones is indeed a problem haha. I hope they don't go the Star Wars spin-offs route which the article suggests. No Wachowski's I have mixed feelings about, on one hand they're geekyness is what made the original so great but they also put out some great stinkers so I don't know if I trust them completely, maybe they should only supervise.

[CyberCubed]

Is Keanu Reeves even returning for this?

[Wildcat]

Everyone complaining...

https://s17.postimg.org/uvgmxdp0f/IMG_0406.jpg

Ok I just really wanted to post that because I knew people would be upset about this. I'm not really into the Matrix movies. I saw the first but don't remember it very well.

Here's one more
https://s12.postimg.org/t249dw259/IMG_0411.jpg

[CyberCubed]

I was about to say, do the young people of today even care or know about the Matrix movies? The first one came out in 1999, the teens of today weren't even born when the first movie came out, and people in their early 20's were only toddlers when it was released.

I don't even know if the young generation of today would even care for this stuff.

[Andrew NDB]

The Matrix is full of potential for making great movies though the whole no more payphones is indeed a problem haha.

Not necessarily. The Matrix was said to be a constantly recycling loop of the year 1999. I mean, they could change that, obviously, but that's what it is now.

[sdp]

I was about to say, do the young people of today even care or know about the Matrix movies? The first one came out in 1999, the teens of today weren't even born when the first movie came out, and people in their early 20's were only toddlers when it was released.

I don't even know if the young generation of today would even care for this stuff.

You could argue the same for all the 80s reboots we were getting, including TMNT.

The Matrix is an iconic film part of pop culture that people recognize like say King Kong even though I wasn't alive in the 30s or Star Wars for a better analogy as I hadn't been born by the time the franchise was basically dead and I discovered it before the mid 90s revival.

Is Keanu Reeves even returning for this?

We know nothing about this project, it's a rumor at best. But if I must he was recently asked and he said he'd go for it if the Wachowski's were involved.

edit: I don't know why I took the bait.

[TigerClaw]

The original Matrix movies were a pioneer in the Bullet Time FX, For the new one, they will have to come up with some new FX to top the original, cause after the Matrix movies came out, a lot of other movies copied those Bullet Time FX.

[snake]

I was about to say, do the young people of today even care or know about the Matrix movies? The first one came out in 1999, the teens of today weren't even born when the first movie came out, and people in their early 20's were only toddlers when it was released.

I don't even know if the young generation of today would even care for this stuff.

I f*cking love the Matrix. The first movie is the perfect example of using the heroes journey story.

[CyberCubed]

Snake, do the young teens in your school even know about movies prior to the 2000's? 80's and 90's movies must be "old crap" to them, and look retro or dated or whatever, and not like post 2000 movies.

Hell the young kids of today probably don't like any movie prior to 2005 or so.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I only came here to comment that, yes, I have seen (and loved) The Matrix.

Has Cubed?

[snake]

Snake, do the young teens in your school even know about movies prior to the 2000's? 80's and 90's movies must be "old crap" to them, and look retro or dated or whatever, and not like post 2000 movies.

Hell the young kids of today probably don't like any movie prior to 2005 or so.

No one really talks about movies, regardless of how old or new they are. There's 3 different people that I've talked film with and all of them watch older stuff. The first kid is a huge Tarantino and war film fan, and he's seen some pretty obscure stuff.
The next kid that talked about movies talked about tons of sh*t, ranging from the 60s to now. He was pretty cool, his favorite film was Goodfellas. There's another guy like that currently in my class. The other day we were talking about Ace Ventura.

Movie talk isn't common but when it happens, people talk about a variety of films.

[THGhost]

I'm all for this. The concept of The Matrix is even more relevant today, so a new spin on it could be cool.

Is Keanu Reeves even returning for this?

Does he even need to? He's doing great as John Wick right now, does he really need to dig up an old franchise of his?

[ToTheNines]

Michael B. Jordan is rumored to star.

[Andrew NDB]

http://img.pandawhale.com/86822-not-like-this-gif-perfect-loop-pD6b.gif

[CyberCubed]

Wasn't he the main character in Creed? He was pretty good in that movie, but in any other he'd just look like a generic black actor.

[Andrew NDB]

He was in "Chronicle," and its remake, "Fantastic Four."

[ProphetofGanja]

The original Matrix movies were a pioneer in the Bullet Time FX, For the new one, they will have to come up with some new FX to top the original, cause after the Matrix movies came out, a lot of other movies copied those Bullet Time FX.

Hammer Time :lol:
https://68.media.tumblr.com/f61ecb5ba9b5037d8b276aad5c238d50/tumblr_nypszsFpMP1tx0eb6o1_500.gif

[NinjaPug]

These comments from Zak Penn make me feel better about the project since they won't simply be re-telling Neo's story. Hopefully Deadline's report about WB forming a writer's room for this is correct because I'm not a fan of Penn.

Can’t comment yet except to say that the words ‘reboot’ and ‘remake’ were from an article. Let’s stop responding to inaccurate news,” he wrote on Twitter.

Penn added, “If I were going to recast Keanu Reeves, I would cast Keanu Reeves. … How about just re-release The Matrix? Don’t reboot it, you can’t do better. Do I want to see more stories set in the universe of The Matrix? Yes. Because it’s a brilliant idea that generates great stories. Look at what people are doing with X-Men universe. Between Logan and Legion and Deadpool, does anyone want them to stop? Not me.”

http://ew.com/movies/2017/03/17/the-matrix-screenwriter-comments-on-new-movie-plans/

[CyberCubed]

Look at what people are doing with X-Men universe. Between Logan and Legion and Deadpool, does anyone want them to stop? Not me.”

He should look around more.

[CyberCubed]

Another problem is the things that made the first Matrix so special back in 1999 now no longer stand out. The whole slow motion bullets, slow motion karate fighting, "bullet-time" was all pretty much brand new in 1999...over the last 16 years it's been done time and time again and parodied in tons of other movies and shows.

Likewise the whole concept of the world being just a computer simulation is kinda dated, hell the whole thing is from old sci-fi movies or Star Trek's holodeck for that matter. And the machines are just a ripoff of Terminator in a way.

I don't know how a movie made these days could stand out.

[sdp]

You don't really like The Matrix so why do you keep posting here? You obviously don't get what makes it cool which is fine but to say that others wouldn't be interested just cuz you aren't isn't quite true.

The idea of us living in a simulation is even more realistic and relevant now than in the past with the rise of Virtual and Augmented Reality. Bullet time hasn't been done since all The Matrix finished pretty much, at least not overdone and if it is its just part of a normal movie, that's how revolutionary it is. The mix of Martial-Arts and guns hasn't really been done very well by many other movies and it'd be great to have it done again.

I think if handled correctly Matrix could become as big of a franchise as it was in the early 00's. Plenty of hurdles to pass though as I'm pretty sure they'll try to PG-13 The Matrix.

[CyberCubed]

I like the first Matrix movie a lot. It's just a fun action and sci-fi movie. The people who look for "deeper meanings" than that like there's some sort of depth to the concept are people looking for things that aren't there. There are other sci-fi movies or Star Trek that do the whole virtual reality or holodeck concepts a lot better.

[TigerClaw]

You don't really like The Matrix so why do you keep posting here? You obviously don't get what makes it cool which is fine but to say that others wouldn't be interested just cuz you aren't isn't quite true.

The idea of us living in a simulation is even more realistic and relevant now than in the past with the rise of Virtual and Augmented Reality. Bullet time hasn't been done since all The Matrix finished pretty much, at least not overdone and if it is its just part of a normal movie, that's how revolutionary it is. The mix of Martial-Arts and guns hasn't really been done very well by many other movies and it'd be great to have it done again.

I think if handled correctly Matrix could become as big of a franchise as it was in the early 00's. Plenty of hurdles to pass though as I'm pretty sure they'll try to PG-13 The Matrix.
The Matrix movies, even though they were R rated, They didn't really felt R rated to me, It wasn't too violent or bloody, since it took place in a virtual world, all that stuff was just simulations.

[snake]

The Matrix movies, even though they were R rated, They didn't really felt R rated to me, It wasn't too violent or bloody, since it took place in a virtual world, all that stuff was just simulations.

Who f*cking cares? You're worse than Cubed at this point. Why keep posting the same thing over, in the same thread nonetheless?

[TigerClaw]

Who f*cking cares? You're worse than Cubed at this point. Why keep posting the same thing over, in the same thread nonetheless?
Don't really know what your talking about since it didn't involved you.

[snake]

Don't really know what your talking about since it didn't involved you.

You're on an open forum, f*cknut.

[TigerClaw]

You're on an open forum, f*cknut.
Whatever, since its an open forum, I talk about whatever I want too. ;)

[snake]

Whatever, since its an open forum, I talk about whatever I want too. ;)

Yeah, nah, you got your point across once. Hammering it in does nothing.

[ToTheNines]

Who f*cking cares? You're worse than Cubed at this point.

Not even close.

[Cure]

What did he even say that was so angering? Jesus.

[TigerClaw]

What did he even say that was so angering? Jesus.
Yeah, Dont know what's gotten into him, cause all I said was that the Matrix movies felt like PG-13 to me even if they were R.

If you look at those movies now, they are tame compared to the current R rated movies of today.

[Shark_Blade]

It's not a reboot.

[TigerClaw]

It's not a reboot.
Its more of a continuation of where things left off, I can see more stories being told after the Matrix got rebooted at the end of Revolution, with humans and machines making peace, they can tell stories of something or someone trying to restart the war.

[NinjaPug]

Who reported it was a continuation after Revolutions? Don't think that's accurate.

[TigerClaw]

Who reported it was a continuation after Revolutions? Don't think that's accurate.
The guy whose writing it is indicating that they can tell stories set in the universe, so they are not rebooting it and retelling the story, they can tell stories in the Matrix that happened right after the last movie.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

I hope it's not a prequel. Prequels are almost always crummy - they tell us what we already know, and every time it turns out that the 'actual' way it happened is way less cool than than what was in our heads.

[TigerClaw]

From the article posted on EW.
http://ew.com/movies/2017/03/17/the-matrix-screenwriter-comments-on-new-movie-plans/

Days after it was reported Warner Bros. might have plans to bring The Matrix franchise back to theaters, the potential new film’s screenwriter, Zac Penn, has offered some thoughts on the project.

“Can’t comment yet except to say that the words ‘reboot’ and ‘remake’ were from an article. Let’s stop responding to inaccurate news,” he wrote on Twitter.

Penn added, “If I were going to recast Keanu Reeves, I would cast Keanu Reeves. … How about just re-release The Matrix? Don’t reboot it, you can’t do better. Do I want to see more stories set in the universe of The Matrix? Yes. Because it’s a brilliant idea that generates great stories. Look at what people are doing with X-Men universe. Between Logan and Legion and Deadpool, does anyone want them to stop? Not me.”

[NinjaPug]

The guy whose writing it is indicating that they can tell stories set in the universe, so they are not rebooting it and retelling the story, they can tell stories in the Matrix that happened right after the last movie.

Set in the universe doesn't mean after Revolutions.

[TigerClaw]

Set in the universe doesn't mean after Revolutions.
I really hope it's after Revolution, The Matrix in those movies had a 90s aesthetics with the use of Payphones to get out of the Matrix, it would be cool to see the Matrix based on our current world with the use of smartphones and such.

[TigerClaw]

Take this with a grain of salt, But now word has it that it will be a prequel and about a Young Morpheus
http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/03/17/the-new-matrix-may-be-a-young-morpheus-movie

[Andrew NDB]

Now it's officially happening, finally. Matrix 4, with everybody involved:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/reeves-moss-wachowski-set-for-matrix-4/?fbclid=IwAR19GBX5hwBh_5tE754rnKrRp5guUjDec731e8nK Gfy4JDk7mVBk0w1Ohgg

[CyberCubed]

Nobody really wants this...not after the last two and the story essentially ended.

[Prowler]

I feel like I'm one of the few people of my generation who's never seen the Matrix. That being said, I know the red pill and blue pill meme.

if I remember correctly, the biggest selling poitn of the movies were the special effects during the fight scenes and such.

I feel like people forgot how big and influential The Matrix was for a while. The Guardians in the 2k3 TMNT cartoon remind me of The Matrix as did Viscera from WWF in the Undertaker's Ministry of Darkness faction in 1999.

[Andrew NDB]

if I remember correctly, the biggest selling point of the movies were the special effects during the fight scenes and such.

I don't know that it was any one thing. Mostly I think it was the "What if our reality isn't reality?" hook for a lot of people... plus as window dressing the fight scenes and Bullet Time™, which was brand new (and guys like Paul "Worthless Sh**" Anderson would like immediately co-opt for their horrible movies).

I'm down for Matrix 4. It's been long enough that I'd be fascinated to see what they do with that world.

[oldmanwinters]

Now it's officially happening, finally. Matrix 4, with everybody involved:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/reeves-moss-wachowski-set-for-matrix-4/?fbclid=IwAR19GBX5hwBh_5tE754rnKrRp5guUjDec731e8nK Gfy4JDk7mVBk0w1Ohgg

Well, I remember "The Wachowski Brothers" headed the ship the first time around. I guess the credits might read a bit differently for the next one. :trazz:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'll watch it. I enjoyed 2 and 3 okay. But for me, The Matrix is a standalone movie. Everything else is, as Cubed likes to say, just like fan fiction. :tlol:

[CyberCubed]

I don't know, it's not 1999 anymore. Remember back in 1999 the idea of an alternate reality, or our reality all being inside a computer program felt novel and "futuristic" at the time.

We're now in the year 2019, that, along with stuff like slow motion fighting an dodging bullets...is so common and mainstream now it's almost boring. We see this everywhere now.

I really don't think a new Matrix movie could stand out in the modern year...even with Keanu Reeves back.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I really don't think a new Matrix movie could stand out in the modern year...even with Keanu Reeves back.

I think it will stand out. But I don't think it will succeed.

[sdp]

Matrix is a great concept that definitely deserves a reboot (https://miscrave.com/articles/the-matrix-rebooted/) as I had mentioned before but not sure where this is going, I would've never done a new Matrix movie with the original cast, their story finished. Only way I would want to see the original cast is if it was a new Matrix 2 that ignored reloaded and revolutions, I mean it can work we saw that there had been tons of Neos before so it's not a new concept. It's only Keanu and Trinity returning so far, I think Keanu returning is because of his success with John Wick. I like the wachowski's but only one is returning, I think you need both to get the magic of the original film, similar to how TMNT is better with Laird and Eastman.

[Andrew NDB]

My only hope is that they don't do a Matrix within the Matrix...

[Coola Yagami]

I don't know, it's not 1999 anymore. Remember back in 1999 the idea of an alternate reality, or our reality all being inside a computer program felt novel and "futuristic" at the time.

We're now in the year 2019, that, along with stuff like slow motion fighting an dodging bullets...is so common and mainstream now it's almost boring. We see this everywhere now.

I really don't think a new Matrix movie could stand out in the modern year...even with Keanu Reeves back.

Were are still nowhere near entering a full on virtual world. Yeah VR games exist but to the nature of the Matrix which is basically a giant holodeck? Naw. Still futuristic.

Edit- also the theme of what if our reality was really not our reality will never die.

[Xav]

Now it's officially happening, finally. Matrix 4, with everybody involved:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/reeves-moss-wachowski-set-for-matrix-4/?fbclid=IwAR19GBX5hwBh_5tE754rnKrRp5guUjDec731e8nK Gfy4JDk7mVBk0w1OhggBut didn't Neo and Trinity die in the third film?

[Andrew NDB]

But didn't Neo and Trinity die in the third film?

The machines took his body... he could come back easy. Trinity... eh. Maybe she'll be stuck in the Matrix or something. Or... what I'm afraid of, is that it will be revealed it was a Matrix within a Matrix.

[ZariusTwo]

But didn't Neo and Trinity die in the third film?

Neo's fate was left up in the air, and a lot of time was devoted in the canonical online MMO to exploring what happened to him. They never resolved it there though

[Andrew NDB]

Neo's fate was left up in the air, and a lot of time was devoted in the canonical online MMO to exploring what happened to him. They never resolved it there though

I recall reading something about, at a certain point his body went "missing"?

[sdp]

I do remember that Matrix MMORPG was h heavily promoted as an in continuity game story, even after it was shut down the wachowski's didn't change their opinion. I think it will very likely be ignored though. Let's see what they do, I'm personally excited even if I think a story set in a different time is a better idea before the one but whatever. Counting that cellphones have changed and no one uses a landline things will definitely change unless the matrix world is still set in the l ate 90s like in the original trilogy was.

The matrix whithin the matrix is not very original but I can live with that, I remember that was a popular theory back when Matrix Reloaded came out and it seemed cool but I was also 14. Matrix Reloaded is a flawed film but it did some amazing world building.

[Andrew NDB]

Keanu read the script and says it's "ambitious."

http://www.darkhorizons.com/keanus-read-the-fourth-matrix-script/

[AquaParade]

Keanu read the script and says it's "ambitious."

http://www.darkhorizons.com/keanus-read-the-fourth-matrix-script/

On one hand, you think "well, of course. I mean, it'd have to be."

On the other, it seems like scaling things down and focusing on less elements, in the vain of the first Matrix, would be a tempting route for this franchise.

[Andrew NDB]

Neil Patrick Harris joins it:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/neil-patrick-harris-joins-the-matrix-4/

Also, the guy who played Black Manta was cast in what is billed as a "lead role."
https://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2019/10/matrix-4-lead-role-yahya-abdul-mateen-ii?utm_campaign=complexmag

[ranger_scout]

Jada Pinkett Smith is in negotiations to reprise her role as Niobe from the second and third movies.

https://deadline.com/2019/10/matrix-4-jada-pinkett-smith-in-talks-to-return-1202761135/

[Andrew NDB]

Jada Pinkett Smith is in negotiations to reprise her role as Niobe from the second and third movies.

https://deadline.com/2019/10/matrix-4-jada-pinkett-smith-in-talks-to-return-1202761135/

That should silence anyone wondering if they're keen to ignore 2 and 3.

[Andrew NDB]

Jeeze, they're getting busy with casting. Jessica Henwick (Iron Fist, Game of Thrones) has been cast as a lead, possibly THE lead of the movie:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/jessica-henwick-to-lead-the-matrix-4/?fbclid=IwAR3VtgxsYRcSY1oI-GpZMDrbpU-RLQBK027I81kVZbzzHta8N3B-H6hehIU

[sdp]

So a direct sequel hmmm... too bad I wouldn't go that route but it can still be interesting. I wonder if the "canon" MMO will still be canon. Is Jessic Henwick a good martial artist? I want cool scenes.

[Andrew NDB]

So a direct sequel hmmm... too bad I wouldn't go that route but it can still be interesting. I wonder if the "canon" MMO will still be canon.

If them killing off Morpheus hadn't happened then they might have. As is, no chance. OR they will weave this or that thread from the MMO into the movie in real time while otherwise ignoring it.

Is Jessic Henwick a good martial artist? I want cool scenes.

Yeah, she's been great on Iron Fist. And can crack a whip real good on Game of Thrones.

rEFlnV__HMY

[IMJ]

Back in the day the original Matrix trilogy were event releases the way that Harry Potter, Lord of the Ring, Star Wars and other genre films were.

I'm looking forward to more Matrix content because I'm sort of curious to see how they are going to manage the continuity they created across media with this IP. I never played the game, but as I understand it, the Matrix online game was direct canon and continuity following the third flick.

But I'm equally resolved to the idea that these new flicks will be an SJW fest. If it turns out this is the case, with more Hollywood, forcefed BS then I'm out. And I'm seeing this already from the liberal access media sites about the casting and I'm already turned off.

[Andrew NDB]

I want to believe the Wachowskis... er, the Wachowski, I guess in this case... know they need a hit. They should know falling back on the Matrix is the last chance for that before the fateful trip to director prison. i.e., just deliver a really great new Matrix movie, free from SJW stuff and politics. I've got a pretty good Spidey sense for this stuff and previous Wachowski stuff even post-Matrix doesn't make me worry (Cloud Atlas? pretty good, if all over the map... Jupiter Rising, a mess but not an SJW one). They just need a good script.

[sdp]

I think the Wachowski's are awesome as well, I also think they just need some one to guide their decisions like George Lucas did. I'm still disappointed chubby Wachowski is not going to be in the movie, only one of them involved might mean it's not balanced enough. I'm still not sure why it's a direct continuation with the same actors even if they're just passing the torch.

I'm not afraid of this being a SJW fest, the original matrix population was heavy black and women were always there in big roles.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm not afraid of this being a SJW fest, the original matrix population was heavy black and women were always there in big roles.

Yeah, but you know how these things can go these days... a heavy black and women presence isn't enough.

[IMJ]

I'm not afraid of this being a SJW fest, the original matrix population was heavy black and women were always there in big roles.

Jesus man, having black people and women in a movie is not actually what people are saying makes something "SJW" in the pejorative sense.

-facepalms-

Talk about a simplified world view. LOL!

[Andrew NDB]

https://i.ibb.co/3SS1qtn/86773271-10215967661453114-566621196976652288-n.jpg

[neatoman]

https://i.ibb.co/3SS1qtn/86773271-10215967661453114-566621196976652288-n.jpg

I thought both Neo and Trinity died?

[Andrew NDB]

I thought both Neo and Trinity died?

Either their bodies are returned by the Machines, restored or... they wake up in another Matrix.

[sdp]

I hope it's still set in the 90s, it'd be weird to see them with smartphones while in the matrix, plus it would mess up the timeline.

Trinity looks old there, hope she looks better on film. Also hope the story is done well, wish both Wachowski's were doing the film. Also wish it didn't involve Neo but whatever, hope it's good and this doesn't kill the franchise.

[Andrew NDB]

I hope it's still set in the 90s, it'd be weird to see them with smartphones while in the matrix, plus it would mess up the timeline.

Trinity looks old there, hope she looks better on film. Also hope the story is done well, wish both Wachowski's were doing the film. Also wish it didn't involve Neo but whatever, hope it's good and this doesn't kill the franchise.

Wasn't it, the Matrix a constantly looping civilization? Like, every time it hits the year 2005 or whatever it was, it resets back to 1999? I swear I heard that in one of the movies or Animatrix.

I kind of feel like they're going to play it like a mystery. They're living out their lives but have deja vu of the old movies. Or something.

[sdp]

That's in the first film IIRC mentions that the world stays in the apex of human civilization which was of course the present day (1999 or generic 90s?) I don't believe the sequels contradict this and yeah before the world goes too far into the future when they start inventing stuff like robots or AI etc is when the one reboots the Matrix back to the original pique of humanity which is explained in reloaded or revolutions., but I'm betting this will take place in the present 2020 because: **** it.

I actually wrote about my thoughts on a Matrix 4 reboot here (https://miscrave.com/articles/the-matrix-rebooted/), and I mostly feel the same way.

[Andrew NDB]

but I'm betting this will take place in the present 2020 because: **** it.

Probably. Which is where the mystery will come in. Or that by what they did in "Matrix Revolutions," that removed the loop entirely.

[CyberCubed]

God, why do women age so poorly while Keeanu Reeves is like ageless.

[Leo656]

Chicks love cocaine, that's my guess.

[IMJ]

God, why do women age so poorly while Keeanu Reeves is like ageless.

If that picture above is any indication then this is true.
I also remember reading that this new movie will actually star someone else - it was implied that Neo and Trinity will be side characters with mentorship roles; which honestly is incredibly disappointing.

I'm not expecting great things. But this is like Picard for me. I want to love it, but it's not good, yet I've been waiting for almost two decades for a resolution to Nemesis. With the Matrix, my interest was piqued when shortly after the third movie I remember some advertisement for an in-continuity Matrix game where Morpheous delivers some line like "if Neo is dead, why won't the machines give us his body?". I never played the game.

Now I want to see where this story goes.....

[Leo656]

I must be the only person alive who was completely underwhelmed by The Matrix.

I know I've seen parts of 2 and 3, but I've seen the first one a couple'a times and it just never left any impression on me. No idea why. I like Keanu Reeves and everything, I'unno.

[IMJ]

I must be the only person alive who was completely underwhelmed by The Matrix.

I know I've seen parts of 2 and 3, but I've seen the first one a couple'a times and it just never left any impression on me. No idea why. I like Keanu Reeves and everything, I'unno.

I haven't watched those movies since the HD-DVD of high def - so... over a decade at least. Sometimes I wonder how they are holding up.

But I won't rebuy them on 4k now because there's a new movie coming out. Might as well wait for the "newest and greatest" boxed sets with that release, lol!

I hate double dipping nowadays. I've done it so many times in my life that I don't owe these people anymore unnecessary buying....

-rant over, sorry-

[Andrew NDB]

God, why do women age so poorly while Keeanu Reeves is like ageless.

Keanu doesn't look so great without a beard anymore (see: Bill & Ted 3 pics).

[Coola Yagami]

That's in the first film IIRC mentions that the world stays in the apex of human civilization which was of course the present day (1999 or generic 90s?) I don't believe the sequels contradict this and yeah before the world goes too far into the future when they start inventing stuff like robots or AI etc is when the one reboots the Matrix back to the original pique of humanity which is explained in reloaded or revolutions., but I'm betting this will take place in the present 2020 because: **** it.

I actually wrote about my thoughts on a Matrix 4 reboot here (https://miscrave.com/articles/the-matrix-rebooted/), and I mostly feel the same way.

I assume in Matrix world humanity never made it to smartphones. The machines have already taken over . For all we know the Y2K bug started the Matrix.

[sdp]

I watched the trilogy like 4 years ago, the original holds up extremely well. Second one has its good things and bad things, third one is ok, not a bad action movie but a bad matrix movie. Ending is bad as are most of the revelations.

Yes the game continued the storyline. I still think a Matrix reboot should be without Keanu and the rest.

[oldmanwinters]

I watched the trilogy like 4 years ago, the original holds up extremely well. Second one has its good things and bad things, third one is ok, not a bad action movie but a bad matrix movie. Ending is bad as are most of the revelations.

Yes the game continued the storyline. I still think a Matrix reboot should be without Keanu and the rest.

Ha, I was in college when the 2nd and 3rd movies came out and the hype among most of my friends was fever-pitch. Back then, I even remember the "Into the Matrix" video game being such a big deal in large part because it was supposed to continue the story of the films, and people didn't want to be out of the loop before they saw the films. Uh... there was a lot of disappointment and dashed hopes by the time that 3rd film came out.

[sdp]

The Matrix was the biggest movie in the early 2000's, it was the new Star Wars basically, but Reloaded wasn't what people expected and when we got Revolutions just a few months later, people just kind of stopped caring about The Matrix, people didn't even trash it, people just kind of stopped caring about the film.

[IMJ]

The Matrix was the biggest movie in the early 2000's, it was the new Star Wars basically, but Reloaded wasn't what people expected and when we got Revolutions just a few months later, people just kind of stopped caring about The Matrix, people didn't even trash it, people just kind of stopped caring about the film.

I didn't mind the transition of focus across all three movies. In some ways I have some appreciation for the balance created across all three.

The first starts in the Matrix, shifts to the real world and ends in the Matrix.
The second starts in the Matrix but becomes a movie more about the real world
The third starts in the real world, shifts to the Matrix and ends in the real world

There's some trilogy balance there. I always thought the most intriguing was the first but the most fun was the second. The third was good, but somehow... emptier.

I need to sit through them again.

[oldmanwinters]

The Matrix was the biggest movie in the early 2000's, it was the new Star Wars basically, but Reloaded wasn't what people expected and when we got Revolutions just a few months later, people just kind of stopped caring about The Matrix, people didn't even trash it, people just kind of stopped caring about the film.

That's a good way to describe it. I think the franchise tried to get too smart for its own good, while also trying to go overboard with BIG ACTION; and it just made all the fans say "meh."

Also, millions of Agent Smiths do not make for a greater impression than one truly imposing Agent Smith.

[Andrew NDB]

Also, millions of Agent Smiths do not make for a greater impression than one truly imposing Agent Smith.

Kind of seems indicative of the era where suddenly decent quality CGI was readily available. "Wha-hooo! Look what we can do! Let's go all-out!" Unnecessary and a bit soulless.

Like I've said, 2 and 3 could be boiled down into one good Matrix movie, maybe. I haven't seen them in years but even right now I can think of 40-50 minutes between both movies that could easily be cut out at little detriment. By themselves they don't hold a candle to the first one and have tons of fat. 3 is leaner than 2.

[Coola Yagami]

I must be the only person alive who was completely underwhelmed by The Matrix.

I know I've seen parts of 2 and 3, but I've seen the first one a couple'a times and it just never left any impression on me. No idea why. I like Keanu Reeves and everything, I'unno.

I think other than the special effects and the infamous bullet time trick, the whole 'questioning your reality' and 'what if we are is a simulation' existential stuff made people feel smart watching the movie.

Plus the internet was still new at the time and the idea of just being able to download martial arts moves into your brain was kinda cool.

[CyberCubed]

Pretty much every show and movie in the early 2000’s ripped off The Matrix’s slow moving gun firing bullet fight scenes. Seriously that was everywhere in the early 2000’s.

[oldmanwinters]

Pretty much every show and movie in the early 2000’s ripped off The Matrix’s slow moving gun firing bullet fight scenes. Seriously that was everywhere in the early 2000’s.

Donatello: ""A bo staff and a crowd of guys who all look the same? Time to try out one of my favorite movie stunts!"
"City at War" Part 1 (March 2004)
https://turtlepedia.fandom.com/wiki/City_at_War,_Part_1_(2003_episode)

[Sumac]

Matrix 2 and 3 are not bad movies, but the dialogues are horrible.
It's like a philosophy club at school, where everyone trying to be deep, double meaning and philosophical all the time, without getting what being real philosophical is like.

But as far as action goes, Matrix sequels are amazing.

[Andrew NDB]

Pretty much every show and movie in the early 2000’s ripped off The Matrix’s slow moving gun firing bullet fight scenes. Seriously that was everywhere in the early 2000’s.

Nothing is worse than AVP doing the bullet time facehugger thing. That still makes my blood boil to this day.

[Sumac]

Nothing is worse than AVP doing the bullet time facehugger thing. That still makes my blood boil to this day.
At least they didn't do slow-mo egg planting inside the host...:ohwell:

[Leo656]

I remember The Matrix was every stoner's favorite movie back when it was fresh.

"Like DUDE, think about it... we could, like, be IN the Matrix, like... RIGHT NOW, man...!" :lol:

I didn't really smoke yet back then, maybe that's why I was underwhelmed. :lol:

[ZariusTwo]

I remember when downloading the trailer for Reloaded was all the rage on limewire or whatever it was back in 2001

[Andrew NDB]

Wrecking havoc in San Francisco:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/fourth-matrix-causing-minor-property-damage/

[AquaParade]

One of those projects that, to me at least, feels like it is happening super fast! Crazy to think a sequel to The Matrix will be out soon. Just conceptually.

[IMJ]

The Animatrix is still terrific.
There used to be a great soundtrack Easter Egg on the Animatrix DVD, but for some reason I can't pull off the Easter Egg on my OPPO UDP-203. Sucks too because it's a great soundtrack and it would be encoded in high def sound when played via the DVD.

[CyberCubed]

It's kind of ironic back in 1999 the internet and virtual reality aren't anything like they are now in 2020. As said, they still had the old flip-top cell phones in 1999. Now everything The Matrix did is almost invented in real life now, aside from full blown virtual reality simulators.

[ZariusTwo]

Moved to April 2022

https://deadline.com/2020/06/matrix-4-godzilla-vs-king-release-date-changes-1202958388/

[Andrew NDB]

Confirmed that filming HAS resumed:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/frozen-3-matrix-4-star-trek-4-talk/

[AquaParade]

I'm pretty curious about this! I have no expectations but I really enjoy the first film as well as the animatrix. I think whatever they do will be interesting enough for at least one viewing.

[Andrew NDB]

Fishburne was "not invited" to be a part of Matrix 4.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/fishburne-not-invited-to-the-matrix-4/

[Coola Yagami]

Fishburne was "not invited" to be a part of Matrix 4.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/fishburne-not-invited-to-the-matrix-4/

Guess he wasn't trans enough for them.

[IMJ]

Fishburne was "not invited" to be a part of Matrix 4.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/fishburne-not-invited-to-the-matrix-4/

That is a real tragedy. He was as much a backbone star of that series as Reeves was. But if you ask me that means that this movie is going to be more of a handoff to a new cast.

I remember that the Matrix Online game somehow continued the story in canon - I remember a commercial for it where Morpheus says something like "The machines ended the war but why won't they give us Neo's body?" or something like that.

I'd love a short synopsis of what that was all about and whether or not it will be recognized in this new movie. My guess is that Neo will be some kind of mentor program like the Oracle was for him.

[Andrew NDB]

Guess he wasn't trans enough for them.

Black male isn't doing it anymore. If only the "peaceful protests" had started before this started production.

Surprising, though. We have Neo, Trinity and Morpheus from the original trilogy. At the end of said trilogy, Morpheus is the only one still alive... and he's the only one not in part 4. I'm still wondering if they're going to go the "Matrix within the Matrix" route. Like, maybe Neo and Trinity are the only ones in it because after having "died" they're now in another Matrix. Though that wouldn't explain how Jada Pinkett is in it as the same character.

That is a real tragedy. He was as much a backbone star of that series as Reeves was. But if you ask me that means that this movie is going to be more of a handoff to a new cast.

Could be. The production photos and such seem to be shielding that so far.

I remember that the Matrix Online game somehow continued the story in canon - I remember a commercial for it where Morpheus says something like "The machines ended the war but why won't they give us Neo's body?" or something like that.

I'd love a short synopsis of what that was all about and whether or not it will be recognized in this new movie.

I've read the Wiki on it. Things got pretty convoluted so I'm not surprised at all that none of that will be canon in the 4th movie. Yeah, there were rumblings about Neo's body, so people figured the machines would resurrect him somehow. Nothing ever came of it.

On the other hand, the game did have Morpheus getting killed be a big part of things. Maybe it IS being honored, to some extent?

My guess is that Neo will be some kind of mentor program like the Oracle was for him.

Maybe... but we see on-set stuff of him riding a motorcycle with Trinity. Well, we see him "riding bitch" with Trinity on a motorcycle.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Fishburne was "not invited" to be a part of Matrix 4.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/fishburne-not-invited-to-the-matrix-4/

THAT is some top-level bull$hit.

[Sumac]

Guess, he is not woke enough for Wacky Bros. anymore.


Also, considering wooden dialogues and somewhat lack of charisma in Neo and Trinity, Morpheus was basically carrying a lot of moments and delivered the best gravitas in the movies.

[sdp]

If the story doesn't need Morpheus then it's ok, if it feels like a cheap excuse to write him out then I'll be mad, he's the one that should be there, I'm not happy with Neo/Trinity returning but if it works I'm up for it. I really wish this had been a reboot set in the past or future without any of the original cast, so many great stories and world building in the Matrix, Neo's story was finished. Still excited until we see the actual product, here are my thoughts on what I want from a matrix reboot (https://miscrave.com/articles/the-matrix-rebooted/).

[Sumac]

The whole thing feels like an attempt of Wack Bro to make some cash out of past fame.

After seeing...this thing, that was once one of the Wachowski brothers, I am pessimistic about the quality of the movie.

[frank_one]

After seeing...this thing, that was once one of the Wachowski brothers, I am pessimistic about the quality of the movie.He/she is still a human being, don't be so rude :ohwell:

Frankly, I think the first one was great, a milestone of its era; the second one was ok but it had great action scenes; the third one was not interesting. I have really no expectations for this fourth one, I just hope it's better than the third.

[sdp]

The wachowski's were always weirdo's, I don't care that's what made the original so awesome, the way they thought and saw things and I don't think that has changed too much. I just hope that whatever mix made the original so good is in this one, sequels were let downs and other wachowski projects have been let downs as well even if they have cool ideas. I'm guessing the right amount of wachowski's + external factors made the original so great and I hope that can be recreated, but we're already one wachowski down..

[Sumac]

He/she is still a human being, don't be so rude :ohwell:
From a biological point of view you are correct, he is still a human being. :D

Wack Bros. haven't created anything after Matrix which'd cause the same reaction. Which makes me feel that original movie was a "lightning in a bottle" and there is no use in trying to replicate it.

[Leo656]

They did still make a few good movies, but yeah, I notice nothing really became part of the "zeitgeist" (pbbbbbth :lol:) the way "The Matrix" did.

I suspect that it just originally came out at the right time. With the Internet becoming a huge thing and computers being in every single person's home for the first time ever, anything to do with that sort of thing was a huge point of fascination. One of my computer science teachers had us watch it during an off-week and was all like "This is going to be the reality in about 20 years!" :lol: Even video game console developers were touting their then-primitive modems and online functionality as "letting you jack into The Matrix". I feel like the first movie just came out at just the right moment, where society was becoming more integrated with technology and the fascination of "Man and Machine become One" kinda thing was at its peak. Even the sequels didn't come close to getting the attention the first did, which supports my theory somewhat.

There's also the public's fascination with CGI, also at a peak right around that time, before everyone figured out that CGI looks like sh*t. :lol: But yeah, that was something else my computer science teacher was raving about, how much of the movie was computer-generated effects and how that, too, was going to be "the future". Which did kind of come to pass; the whole "living in a virtually-simulated world 24/7" thing, not so much, but "People being perfectly happy to ignore fake-looking SFX just because they came out of someone's keyboard," then yeah, they were spot-on with that. :trazz:

I'unno, I never really cared for any of 'em. CGI never impresses me, and I didn't smoke pot back then so all the half-baked philosophical stuff didn't hook me either. All I took from the first one was "This goofy sci-fi flick is gonna be a huge boon to the leather trenchcoat and Ray-Bans industry", and didn't really give it much thought after that. Never bothered with the sequels.

Come to think of it, I haven't really seen a lot of Wachowski movies. But you can call me an extreme minority and say that "The Matrix" is my least-favorite of the ones I HAVE seen. I know that's not a popular thing to admit but I'unno, I probably just wasn't in any way the audience for it. ((Shrug))

Like, among the friends I had at that time, the huge Matrix fans were all the huge stoners, and they mostly sat around talking about "Like duuuuude, what if we're IN The Matrix, like... RIGHT NOW, though?" :lol:: We all knew at least one, right? :lol:

[Sumac]

Matrix and its sequels were extremely influential on me, back in the day. This is why it is so sad seeing its creators going completely wackos.

But when you strip style out of it, it is basically regurgitated generic cyberpunk story. Style / CGI is the only think that it has going for it.

[Cure]

Wake me up when they announce a Speed Racer 2.

[Voltron]

Wake me up when they announce a Speed Racer 2.

I know, right? Why isn't that film more popular? They nailed it.

[Leo656]

I know, right? Why isn't that film more popular? They nailed it.

Because the world is a twisted, evil place.

That movie is so amazing.

[Cure]

Considering the three people who like that movie, maybe it's a NJ thing.

[Leo656]

All the best things are! :lol:

[ZariusTwo]

Keanu was on BBC's One Show Wednesday where he talked a bit about the movie, he quashed rumours the film would be partially told in flashbacks and that it was at it's core a love story and a call to 'wake up'


https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a34056809/keanu-reeves-the-matrix-4-love-story/

[sdp]

Sounds like mainly a story about Trinity and Neo and an epilogue to the trilogy, not necessarily a Matrix 4 that is going to start a new trilogy. I'm ok with that.

[Andrew NDB]

I don't even know if Neo and Trinity are the main characters. During the casting process they mentioned that Asian lady was going to be "a lead." I'm thinking something along the lines of The Force Awakens treatment.

[oldmanwinters]

I don't even know if Neo and Trinity are the main characters. During the casting process they mentioned that Asian lady was going to be "a lead." I'm thinking something along the lines of The Force Awakens treatment.

So, we're going from "The One" to "The Many"?

[Sumac]

a call to 'wake up'
I don't like it. I don't like it at all, especially, when the movie is made by a crazy male with an agenda.

[Andrew NDB]

I don't like it. I don't like it at all, especially, when the movie is made by a crazy male with an agenda.

Yeah, I kind of have a bad feeling about this. "A call to wake up"? "Woke," in the past tense, then?

[AquaParade]

Who on earth actually expects it to live up to the first film? At this point you just lean back and enjoy the explosion.

[sdp]

That's always been what the Matrix is about though, hell even the right wing term "red pilled" is basically another way of saying "woke" ironically enough. The Matrix had most of the population in the real world being black, but it was before the term SJW was a thing. Trinity always had an important role and so did minorities and the bad guy was played by a white human as the architect. The movie might suck but I don't think it'll be because of politics, it's just the same BS that Joker had and how it was an "alt right" movie, only this time coming from the other side. This movie could be less political than the original and people will still call out on it.

Who on earth actually expects it to live up to the first film? At this point you just lean back and enjoy the explosion.


I want more than explosions but I don't think anyone expects this to be better than the original, I like Reloaded alright as long as it's as good as that one I'll see it as a success anything else is cream on the top. If it's as generic as Revolutions then I'll be disappointed but still happy we got to see Neo one last time.

[AquaParade]

I probably should have said "trainwreck", because I'm speaking in a meta sense.

[Sumac]

Well, yeah, Matrix was "woke" before "woke" was a thing and before it became associated with toxic idiots offended about everything.

Most villains are white (Agents, Smith, Architect, Baine, Merovingian), most good characters are black or Asian and their culture is quite tribal.

Its just back in the day it was no associated with insanity or toxicity and didn't pat itself on a back for doing all of this. At least, to my knowledge.

[Coola Yagami]

Well, yeah, Matrix was "woke" before "woke" was a thing and before it became associated with toxic idiots offended about everything.

Most villains are white (Agents, Smith, Architect, Baine, Merovingian), most good characters are black or Asian and their culture is quite tribal.

Its just back in the day it was no associated with insanity or toxicity and didn't pat itself on a back for doing all of this. At least, to my knowledge.

True, back then it was the story she bullet time special effects that wowed us, they didn't do the whole. 'LOOK AT HOW DIVERSE AND PROGRESSIVE WE ARE, STUNNING AND BRAVE!' nonsense back then.

[ZariusTwo]

According to leaks, the title is "Matrix Resurrections"

https://news.yahoo.com/matrix-resurrections-name-matrix-4-091250445.html

[TigerClaw]

According to leaks, the title is "Matrix Resurrections"

https://news.yahoo.com/matrix-resurrections-name-matrix-4-091250445.html
It makes since I don't know how they will bring back Neo and Trinity who both died in The Matrix Revolution.

[IMJ]

I might've said this already somewhere in this thread, but I've always been mildly curious as to the Matrix online game from some years back.

I remember commercials for it with the original actors doing voicework for the games. It seemed like they were treating the games as post-trilogy canon.

I wonder what is going to become of that?

[Sumac]

I might've said this already somewhere in this thread, but I've always been mildly curious as to the Matrix online game from some years back.

I remember commercials for it with the original actors doing voicework for the games. It seemed like they were treating the games as post-trilogy canon.

I wonder what is going to become of that?
It was indeed a sequel to the movies and it was shut down after few years.

[Andrew NDB]

If the Matrix Online had been a success and was, like, still going on today... sure, they'd probably make sure it's canon with the new film. But it wasn't and it isn't, so I doubt they'd go out of their way to try and include it en masse. Maybe some elements from it (like maybe Morpheus' assassination, since he isn't in the movie?).

[sdp]

Matrix MMO was heavily advertised as "in continuity" but so is a bunch of stuff that is ignored when a new movie comes out so I hardly count that as evidence. But one of the Wachowski's is the director and the MMO was their baby so perhaps?
From what I remember the MMO hinted Neo was still alive, morpheus died and ever player got killed because of a glitch in the matrix or something like that, so it doesn't sound like something that can't be "made into" continuity by some fan explanations after Matrix 4 comes out.

I'm curious if it'll be set in the 90s, that was the whole premise of the movie but I'm sure they'll use the rebooting the matrix to make it take place in "modern 2020" and that time now is able to move past the 90s. It's just going to be dumb as **** to see smart phones and not using pay phones to get back from the Matrix.

[Andrew NDB]

Christina Ricci is in it.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/christina-ricci-joins-the-matrix-4/

[sdp]

This movie is coming out in 4 months and we don't even have a teaser trailer, or promotional pictures for posters, hell we don't even know the name of the movie. I don't think this will start off a new trilogy very well. I hope it seves at least as an epilogue.

[Leo656]

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[Andrew NDB]

This movie is coming out in 4 months and we don't even have a teaser trailer, or promotional pictures for posters

Weird. It could be the studio -- like a lot of the others -- waiting to see if they want to commit to the date or push things endlessly back some more. Because every time they push a movie, that means MORE marketing budget dollars spent on date(s) that may not even end up being the real date.

Like the latest James Bond movie. MGM is saying they can't afford to push it back any more (GOOD!) because they've already pretty much exhausted their marketing budget as such.

hell we don't even know the name of the movie..


I'm still betting that rumored "The Matrix Resurrection" or "Resurrections" might pan out. Or maybe not. But it'd make sense, wouldn't it?

[sdp]

I'm pretty sure it'll release in December, since it's part of what they promised for HBO Max for the year. It's not the only movie to suffer from this, Mortal Kombat also didn't get much promotional stuff until very close to the movie, and Kong v Godzilla stopped getting any promotional stuff until it was finally about to come out. Similar with Space Jam, releasing most of the stuff until later to hype that month's subscription to HBO Max I don't see why they see it as harmful if they begin promoting before that.

But even taking that into account, the examples above still had at least a logo or some official stills released before hand, hell even some short video. Also no offense to the movies mentioned above but The Matrix is on a whole other level of movie and should be treated as such. It was as big of a franchise if not more popular during the early 2000's than star wars.

[Sumac]

And it was almost 20 years ago, so while it was a cultural milestone, there is a whole new generation, who knows Matrix mainly through the memes and has no reverence to it. So we'll see how it turns out.

[Andrew NDB]

And it was almost 20 years ago, so while it was a cultural milestone, there is a whole new generation, who knows Matrix mainly through the memes and has no reverence to it. So we'll see how it turns out.

And more importantly... "Reloaded" and "Revolutions" really turned a ton of the fanbase away. And both of those were pretty rapid fire release dates. Even if they'd come out with a sequel 10 years ago... I doubt there'd be equivalent turnout.

Though it's been a long time now. I think a lot of people have been without Matrix long enough that they've missed it, Reloaded and Revolutions or not. Hard to call.

[Powder]

Christina Ricci is in it.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/christina-ricci-joins-the-matrix-4/

Gee, I wonder why.

[Andrew NDB]

Confirmed... it IS The Matrix Resurrections. A trailer was shown at CinemaCon.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/warners-teases-matrix-resurrections-batman/

[sdp]

I'm excited, even if I didn't want a sequel to the trilogy that had Neo and Trinity since that's not a good way to soft reboot the franchise after the bad sequels. Only having one of the Wachowski's doing it didn't feel right since both incorporated ideas but oh well. Perhaps this movie can finally give us a better ending of sorts and make the previous sequels better allowing for a clean reboot without the legacy characters. I mean if it sucks it's also not the end of the world, the sequels were already bad. And I mean I like Reloaded but revolutions is a mess despite having cool action scenes.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm excited, even if I didn't want a sequel to the trilogy that had Neo and Trinity since that's I mean I like Reloaded but revolutions is a mess despite having cool action scenes.

I kind of feel the opposite. Nothing happened in Reloaded BUT "cool action scenes," if meaningless and essentially toothless ones. Revolutions at least brought everything together for some neat, final-ish climactic, resistance vs. machines stuff.

[Sumac]

I feel nothing.
Whatever, you think about Revolutions is gave a nice and a very much definitive ending to the story, beyond which any continuation would feel like an asspull.

This movie feels like an attempt by Wachowsky to show that they can make something good, after long string of commercial and critical failures, like a one-bestseller-writer.

If this movie is good, good for them. If not - no skin of my back.
I generally expect something closely to generic action movie, rather than something revolutionary like original movie or an eye candy of sequels. Besides, Matrix has become meme so much, that it will feel strange to see it and not to take it as self-parody.

[Andrew NDB]

Trailer is due out in 2 days. Meanwhile, the old http://whatisthematrix.com site is back up after years. You can see BITS of the trailer when you go there and click on the blue pill. In fact, every time you refresh it seems to show a different couple of mini clips.

[TigerClaw]

Trailer is due out in 2 days. Meanwhile, the old http://whatisthematrix.com site is back up after years. You can see BITS of the trailer when you go there and click on the blue pill. In fact, every time you refresh it seems to show a different couple of mini clips.
It also tells you the current time.

[sdp]

Wow, this actually looks hella cool, can this sequel actually be good?
can it? or am I setting myself up for disappointment?

[IMJ]

I'm actually excited for this. It will also give me an excuse to pick up the original in 4k and dig in. I can't help but wonder though if Neo is going to play a bit part while they SJW the hell out of this one.

Did you guys notice that when you click on a pill and watch the teaser on the site that it tracks the time on your computer through the narration? That is awesome......

[Sumac]

I'm actually excited for this. It will also give me an excuse to pick up the original in 4k and dig in. I can't help but wonder though if Neo is going to play a bit part while they SJW the hell out of this one.

Did you guys notice that when you click on a pill and watch the teaser on the site that it tracks the time on your computer through the narration? That is awesome......
Original Matrix trilogy was FULL of SJW stuff: most main characters are Black or Asian, main enemies are White Men (Smith and agents in general, Architect, Merovingian). Keanu is White only, because, Wachowski were unable to get Will Smith to play the part of Neo.

It passed unnoticed back than, because, no-one cared about "LEFTY MESSAGE" and it was kind of existed in a vacuum a nice diverse movie. However, given what had happened with bros. after that and some of their other works, I'd say the signs were already and I won't surprised, if Matrix 4 has some trans non-binary helicopters among its cast or characters.

[ZariusTwo]

I'm actually excited for this. It will also give me an excuse to pick up the original in 4k and dig in. I can't help but wonder though if Neo is going to play a bit part while they SJW the hell out of this one

Matrix always was one of those "woke done right" movies. The whole thing is a trans awakening analogy. Might be even more unsubtle now that the Wackowskis have long completed their transition, or it could still be woke done right like their other efforts. I loved Sense8.

[Coola Yagami]

Matrix always was one of those "woke done right" movies. The whole thing is a trans awakening analogy. Might be even more unsubtle now that the Wackowskis have long completed their transition, or it could still be woke done right like their other efforts. I loved Sense8.

Ironic how the Matrix deals with 'waking up' and seeing beyond your own reality and seek power within your own individuality and ability to make your own choices.... while nowadays the left and sjw woke crowd are more like Agent Smiths, stuck in their own hivemind echo chamber trying to destroy all sense of individuality and free choice, going after anyone that thinks differently than they do.

They created the concept of the red pill, yet they're blue pilled as ****.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm a little bit impressed that there isn't any press -- at least that has been leaked or put out there -- that this is "the first in a BOLD new MATRIX TRILOGY!" Best case scenario is that this is a movie the remaining Wachowski has been germinating for a decade plus, not one third or a slice of a bigger movie played out over two more. Or maybe they're just not talking about that yet.

[sdp]

On another note they interviewed the fat wachowski sister (i don't know who is who) and asked her why she wasn't directing, he was pretty honest and said that he had moved on from that universe and didn't have anything new to add, he wanted to explore new things in his life not revisit them. I can respect him for that. The other wachowski sister on the contrary wanted to tell a new story in that universe. The interview felt very honest and that makes me satisfied with not having the two siblings together, sometimes just one person has moved on like say with Laird and Eastman.


I'm a little bit impressed that there isn't any press -- at least that has been leaked or put out there -- that this is "the first in a BOLD new MATRIX TRILOGY!" Best case scenario is that this is a movie the remaining Wachowski has been germinating for a decade plus, not one third or a slice of a bigger movie played out over two more. Or maybe they're just not talking about that yet.

I feel like studios don't know if The Matrix popularity was a fluke or not, just look at how we've gotten next to no merchandising or licensed material since Revolutions came out. They're waiting to see how this movie fares before committing to it, same with the wachowski directing it. I'm almost certain the movie will work as a "new final story" but at the same time introduce concepts that could be explored by the new generation of matrixers that will surely be introduced in the movie. So if it fails or doesn't do well enough to get a sequel it works as an ending but if it does well there's a new cast to give us new adventures.

[Andrew NDB]

Original Matrix trilogy was FULL of SJW stuff: most main characters are Black or Asian, main enemies are White Men (Smith and agents in general, Architect, Merovingian). Keanu is White only, because, Wachowski were unable to get Will Smith to play the part of Neo.

Also unusually cruel to police officers long, long before that was en vogue. Neo and Trinity massacred about 100 of them. And by the rules of the Matrix we have to assume these were real people who then really died in their tubes as a result. There also could be something read into all the cops that the "Agents" possess and take over.

[Sumac]

Matrix always was one of those "woke done right" movies. The whole thing is a trans awakening analogy. Might be even more unsubtle now that the Wackowskis have long completed their transition, or it could still be woke done right like their other efforts. I loved Sense8.
I don't buy it. Trans analogy, I mean.

I prefer to think, and that's just my opinion, that this "trans analogy" thing (yuk!) was born out of mind of bros., when they have become sis., so to speak. Because, they all are "brave and stunning" now and what is better way to remind about themselves after almost 15 years of constant failures than promoting their main and the best work as "a trans analogy", not to mention their will be written in history, at least for now, as "trans" creators of one of the greatest and most influential movie in 00s.

Also unusually cruel to police officers long, long before that was en vogue. Neo and Trinity massacred about 100 of them. And by the rules of the Matrix we have to assume these were real people who then really died in their tubes as a result. There also could be something read into all the cops that the "Agents" possess and take over.
Just remember speech Morpheus gives in the begining of the movie to Neo (paraphrasing): "Everyone who hasn't been woken is a part of the system, our enemy or a potential agent".

In context of a movie it is what it is, but try to apply this logic to real world...sounds like modern SJWs...or Fascists, whatever difference between them exists this days.

[Andrew NDB]

I don't buy it. Trans analogy, I mean.

I prefer to think, and that's just my opinion, that this "trans analogy" thing (yuk!) was born out of mind of bros., when they have become sis., so to speak. Because, they all are "brave and stunning" now and what is better way to remind about themselves after almost 15 years of constant failures than promoting their main and the best work as "a trans analogy", not to mention their will be written in history, at least for now, as "trans" creators of one of the greatest and most influential movie in 00s.

Yeah, I don't buy that either. They can say that, and while they were probably into some weird sh** at the time I don't think they had any idea they wanted to go that route in 1997, 1998 when they made the first movie. I can also see people nowadays really wanting that to be true. Like, "Hahahaha... all you stupid CIS males fell for it! You were watching a transexual movie and didn't even know it!" and so on.

[IMJ]

Original Matrix trilogy was FULL of SJW stuff: most main characters are Black or Asian, main enemies are White Men (Smith and agents in general, Architect, Merovingian). Keanu is White only, because, Wachowski were unable to get Will Smith to play the part of Neo.

It passed unnoticed back than, because, no-one cared about "LEFTY MESSAGE" and it was kind of existed in a vacuum a nice diverse movie. However, given what had happened with bros. after that and some of their other works, I'd say the signs were already and I won't surprised, if Matrix 4 has some trans non-binary helicopters among its cast or characters.

Matrix always was one of those "woke done right" movies. The whole thing is a trans awakening analogy. Might be even more unsubtle now that the Wackowskis have long completed their transition, or it could still be woke done right like their other efforts. I loved Sense8.

Absolutely to both of you. That's why I said it... But I can see it being overt and worse now, given the zeitgeist.

[sdp]

I was thinking about gendered pronouns and how cool they sound, If lady wachowski sneaks them into the movie and you know he's going to try to sneak them in, I'd be totally ok with it since they sound so futuristic and matrix like. he/she is so OLD, something my grandpa would use. I'm #readyforthenewnew and have futuristic sounding pronouns. I mean would a machine really call themselves he/she? it just makes sense.

Did you talk to Agent Smith? Yes, Xyr said that he would arrive shortly to talk to vers.

[IMJ]

:lol: omg

sighhhhhhhhh

:lol:

[ZariusTwo]

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[NinjaPug]

That looks good.

The official synopsis has some head scratching stuff in it. Are they ignoring Reloaded and Revolutions?

“THE MATRIX RESURRECTIONS is a continuation of the story established in the first MATRIX film… 20 years after the first film, the franchise that helped define pop culture at the turn of the century is back for a continuation and extension of the original movie.”

[ZariusTwo]

I think it's in the sense they're focusing just on the Matrix and Machine worlds like the first one did, and won't go to Zion.

[sdp]

That trailer was rad, I love it, looks amazing!
I'm not a fan of the new Morpheus, why get another bald stoic black man like Laurence Fishburne to play the same role he did? Character should not have echoed Morpheus that much, he should've been his own thing new character, black if you want but not just another bald black guy who acts like morpheus but isn't him. That's my only complain so far, the trailer has definitely sold me.


That looks good.

The official synopsis has some head scratching stuff in it. Are they ignoring Reloaded and Revolutions?

Nah, it's just not referencing the sequels in the synopsis because those are not loved by most people but the original movie was. Now I wouldn't mind a if it ignored reloaded/revolutions but that's not happening here and that's ok. It's like when Jurassic World didn't reference the sequels in the trailers or movies but we do know they did happen.

I'm guessing they're just interpreting Revolutions as rebooting the world into what Matrix 4 is, which is a decent interpretation since that ending sucked and it wasn't entirely clear how the world would now coexist with humans and machines in a truce.

[Andrew NDB]

The title "Resurrections" only makes sense if Revolutions happened. So of course they did.

[sdp]

I thought the Matrix Resurrections was going to take place in the 90s since the scenery felt like it but 1 scene in the trailer has them using phones & tablets so it'll clearly take place in "todays" world. A shame since I thought the landlines were a cool gimmick & they don't really exist anymore. I wonder if there'll be any commentary on machines using smart devices to keep people in "control".

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-2kMupWUAIbKPz?format=jpg&name=large

[Coola Yagami]

I wonder if there'll be any 'right side of history' stuff slipped in there.

I guess they couldn't help themselves, but the Matrix should have stayed in the late 90s. I forgot what reason Morpheus gave, but they shoulda stuck with it in-universe. It gives us a better concept of despite time going forward the machines keep them in the 90s. It resonates better now than then, cause then the real reason was because the movie was made in the 90s, but this would have added another layer to it.

[Bahamut810]

Ehhh...It looks ok, but the characters just look old and tired. Not sure if I can get excited about the decades old franchise.

[Andrew NDB]

I thought the Matrix Resurrections was going to take place in the 90s since the scenery felt like it but 1 scene in the trailer has them using phones & tablets

And this is an important distinction. In the lore of the Matrix trilogy, the world was in a self-repeating loop of "the height of mankind" at like the year 1995, which would repeat after hitting 2005 or so. That some kind of new or rebooted Matrix is existing with the year 2021 running within it means something very fundamental has changed. I'm just crossing my fingers that it isn't something literally as stupid as a Matrix within the Matrix.

I suspect Neo IS alive (resurrected by the machines for some new purpose within their new Matrix, I expect), still a blind man in "reality" probably jacked in within the machine city. Trinity isn't real or is somehow "created" by Neo. The other new characters are real, though the reason we don't see people like Morpheus and so on is because they're not in this Matrix.

[IMJ]

I am super excited about this.....

I'm not a fan of the new Morpheus, why get another bald stoic black man like Laurence Fishburne to play the same role he did

But is he Morpheus or a "Morpheus analog"? Where is Lawrence Fishburn in this? Why wouldn't you get that guy back?

Anyone else think that Keanu is the gateway for this flick and that they'll kill him in the end and pass the torch to "young Morpheus guy" or are we looking at a new story following Neo?

[Andrew NDB]

Anyone else think that Keanu is the gateway for this flick and that they'll kill him in the end and pass the torch to "young Morpheus guy" or are we looking at a new story following Neo?

I don't know if they'll kill him off (like, they'd do that twice in a row?), but as things shift back to reality he's still going to be a blind injured guy. i.e., only trotted out for "special events" in the Matrix itself.

[sdp]

The ending of Matrix 1 is a bit ambiguous with just how much control Neo has, this is definitely similar to Jurassic World in that if you didn't watch the sequels it's ok since all the context you need is the original film even though the other films do happen and if you watched them you get 'more' of the backstory.

I can see some retcons like the machiens fixing neo's eyes, trinity being revived through shennanigans. The Matrix whithin the matrix is honestly a better idea than whatever revolutions told so i'm ok if that happens. I don't care if it seems to be a retelling of the first movie like jurassic world was, if it's done correctly it'll be cool, nice to go back to this world. as long as it doesn't suck it's cool.

I also don't think any SJW crap in this movie is going to personally affect me, this world is perfect for that stuff. A guy is a girl in the matrix because that's what his brain thinks he is? Sure I don't care. None of that will feel out of place, there SHOULD be lots of blacks/asians/etc in the movie since this world has always had them,they aren't turning Neo into black so all is good.

[sdp]

In a way The Matrix was my Star Wars, the BIG movie I fell in love with. I haven't been this excited for a movie since Jurassic World and Star Wars Episode VII trailers came out and likely never will be this hyped for a movie ever again. This was a defining movie for me, it pretty introduced me to the alternative/goth scene for my teenage years.

This is it, this is the last franchise from my childhood before I became a teenager. It's the last thing that will give me nostalgia from when i was a kid, there's nothing else, from my kid days, there's nothing left to mine from it everything that came after was when I was no longer a kid. No matter how hard, nothing beats seeing things through the eyes of a kid, it gives it that extra "umph" which is why people love their childhood.


FakeEdit: so the movie is about Neo's quest to find inner peace without trinity? the trinity in the movie seems fake either made by neo/machines or perhaps her essence stayed in the matrix despite dying? in the real world?

Movie looks a fun use of the universe, HYPE. I was not excited at all to see Neo or Trinity back, I thought it looked horrible and now a complete 360 on my opinion. It does get a "used to be my fav. movie nostalgia" bump though so a bit of bias. I'm even excited over budget morpheous, he looks cool as hell too.

[Powder]

I'm on the fence about this. It has the potential to be good, but I'm immediately put off by the visual style. Like, it's a great trailer, but IMO, the lack of the series' trademark green filters & drab environments makes it feel a bit off, as does the bootleg Morpheus. I hope it makes sense returning to this universe, justifying all the sudden changes for the story, as well. Would hate to have to pretend this movie doesn't exist. :tlol:

[Sumac]

I'm on the fence about this. It has the potential to be good, but I'm immediately put off by the visual style. Like, it's a great trailer, but IMO, the lack of the series' trademark green filters & drab environments makes it feel a bit off, as does the bootleg Morpheus. I hope it makes sense returning to this universe, justifying all the sudden changes for the story, as well. Would hate to have to pretend this movie doesn't exist. :tlol:
I won't watch it in cinema anyway, so I just wait until reviews and later, maybe, either will get it to watch somehow or wait until broadcast on TV in the next few years.

Hopefully it is not too stupid or too retcon-happy. Though, I know that some people would be happy about Reloaded and Revolutions being dealt away from continuity, but I kinda like Matrix lore. Even if it presentation in the sequels left something to be desired.

[sdp]

I liked the Matrix lore introduced in Reloaded, I wouldn't be angry if it got retconned (it won't) but I'm fine with a few retcons here and there to have Neo and Trinity back.

This will release on HBO Max, but this is a movie I'd see in theaters and I can't remember last hollywood movie that I did, perhaps Jurassic World 2? But I'll probably just end up watching it in a drive in cinema. I probably won't watch it Day 1, but that's only because it releases right before Xmas so I'll likely be on vacation somewhere around the world.

[Coola Yagami]

I'm in no rush to see it. I'll catch it eventually.

[sdp]

I haven't rewatched the movies yet but I think I know now why the sequels were a let down. The ending of the original movie is amazing, however it made Neo into a god in that world like say Dr. Manhattan or golden age superman. It's hard to write a compelling rival for that type of character and they didn't succeed. The trailer looks a lot more appealing since we see Neo "discovering" who he is, he is struggling to stop bullets for example or to move that missiles for example.

And the non-chosen ones felt like DBZ characters after Goku becomes SSJ, what good is Tien or Yamcha when others have world destroying powers? There was power creep and if the rest of the team couldn't handle agents, they certainly couldn't handle the new threats. Zion in general was also very boring and underwhelming and nothing really happened there either that was interesting and too much time was spent there.

[Sumac]

Sequels were awful, because, they spent too much time on pseudo-philosophical garbage and characters were sounding like robots, delivering most obvious boring "wisdoms" and "revelations" in a most wooden manner possible, looking either stoic or worried, functioning less like humans and more like archetypes. It was fit for the idea of a "heroic epic", but it wasn't executed well or befitting the way story was told in the movies.

The rest - world-building, battle-scenes were fine, but without interesting characters and with copious amounts of worthless philosophy, movies were just boring.

And I am saying it, like someone who generally does not consider them bad movies.

[ranger_scout]

Whenever I watched these films I remember how they had many nods and references to Lewis Carrol and his Alice books. This movie really feels like Neo is going through what Alice Kingsleigh went through in Tim Burton’s 2010 Alice in Wonderland. Both Neo and Alice had been gone from a world for so many years and neither remembers it and they must have an adventure there in order to have their memories restored.

[Leo656]

I honestly never even cared much about the first one. I know, I'm a crab-ass.

It just seemed very transparently a movie where the entire raison d'etre was "Check out all the cool CGI stuff we can do nowadays!", which never impresses me in the first place, and the rest of it just seemed... I don't know. I kinda knew I wouldn't like it when everybody trying to sell me on it kept gushing about the "Bullet Time" stuff and the 360-degree camera pans but could only give me the barest of details about what the movie was about. Kinda felt like even they didn't really know, and were mostly just dazzled by the special effects. "Dude, just go see it, it's amazing!" Then I saw it and it didn't really do much to change the impression I already had. Didn't hate it, didn't love it.

It's "fine" I guess, but more than anything from the movie itself what I remember most is stoners at Denny's having long, drawn-out conversations about "Bro, what if we're like, IN the Matrix RIGHT NOW!" for the next several years, which is something I personally had my fill of before it even started.

Never bothered with the sequels. As I said, I wasn't incredibly impressed with the first one so I figured I could skip the rest of them. To hear people talk, I didn't miss much.

While I'm dropping Hot Takes that are probably gonna get me shot one day, I also don't think much of Avatar for a lot of the same reasons. I feel like that movie only existed so that Sony could sell people Blu-ray players back when people thought they were pointless.

[Coola Yagami]

I honestly never even cared much about the first one. I know, I'm a crab-ass.

It just seemed very transparently a movie where the entire raison d'etre was "Check out all the cool CGI stuff we can do nowadays!", which never impresses me in the first place, and the rest of it just seemed... I don't know. I kinda knew I wouldn't like it when everybody trying to sell me on it kept gushing about the "Bullet Time" stuff and the 360-degree camera pans but could only give me the barest of details about what the movie was about. Kinda felt like even they didn't really know, and were mostly just dazzled by the special effects. "Dude, just go see it, it's amazing!" Then I saw it and it didn't really do much to change the impression I already had. Didn't hate it, didn't love it.

It's "fine" I guess, but more than anything from the movie itself what I remember most is stoners at Denny's having long, drawn-out conversations about "Bro, what if we're like, IN the Matrix RIGHT NOW!" for the next several years, which is something I personally had my fill of before it even started.

Never bothered with the sequels. As I said, I wasn't incredibly impressed with the first one so I figured I could skip the rest of them. To hear people talk, I didn't miss much.

While I'm dropping Hot Takes that are probably gonna get me shot one day, I also don't think much of Avatar for a lot of the same reasons. I feel like that movie only existed so that Sony could sell people Blu-ray players back when people thought they were pointless.

Don't forget the heavy Matrix references in early TMNT 2K3. *shakes head*

[Leo656]

Don't forget the heavy Matrix references in early TMNT 2K3. *shakes head*

I think the entire world briefly succumbed to the magic of "Dark shades and leather trenchcoats" back then. :lol:

[TigerClaw]

Don't forget the heavy Matrix references in early TMNT 2K3. *shakes head*
Yep, The Matrix Reloaded reference is found here at the 1:53 mark.

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[Sumac]

While I'm dropping Hot Takes that are probably gonna get me shot one day, I also don't think much of Avatar for a lot of the same reasons. I feel like that movie only existed so that Sony could sell people Blu-ray players back when people thought they were pointless.
First Matrix is a pretty good movie, but aside from CGI it doesn't really break new grounds.

An idea "what if our world was a simulation / dream" was certainly done before, just without such special effects, cool cinematography and state-of-the-art CGI. So in a manner of speaking your appraisal is pretty much correct - it is a good movie, but, if you take away CGI and style, it will be just a passable one. Sequels are pretty much held up only by CGI alone, because, everything else is boring and trite. So you can just watch action scenes from sequels and not bother with everything else.

As for Avatar - it was mediocre. Amazing visuals and boring everything else, from the story, which rip-offs Pocahontas, to the characters. And this is largely opinion everyone share, aside from small group of fanatics.

I must've admit that one of the biggest surprises about Avatar was that it never become a "cultural milestone". From the hype and efforts put into it I've expected something like Star Wars or Lord of the Rings, but it was just a fart in the wind, good only for jokes about "blue people" and countless furry fanarts.

[Leo656]

I mean, I didn't HATE either one, but I am annoyed by the hype surrounding either because I really feel like without the "groundbreaking" special effects there's nothing especially brilliant about them. They're "fine", and that's that. But in both cases people acted like they were the best thing ever made up to that point, and I simply never got what the big deal was.

Avatar (87 upcoming sequels notwithstanding) is definitely the LEAST "world-changing" movie to ever gross a billion dollars. It came, it went, everybody saw it, everybody over-sold how great it was, and then it was pretty much forgotten.

Which has always had me going, "So WHAT exactly was the Big Huge Deal, again?"

Not that my personal movie opinions would ever be accepted by the majority, anyways. I'm okay with that. My personal favorite movie from the Wachowskis, for example, is Speed Racer. :lol: But I don't expect that to be a widespread opinion; you have to be a pretty big fan of Speed Racer in general to even tolerate that movie, let alone love it. But I am, so I do.

Therefore, based on my own personal wants, needs, and criteria, which are mine alone... "Speed Racer" was an infinitely more satisfying experience than "The Matrix". :lol: Matrix is an okay sci-fi flick... but it's not something I'd been praying to see since I was 10 years old, and the Speed Racer movie was.

But boy... those f*ckers REALLY nailed that Speed Racer movie. :lol:

[Andrew NDB]

"Check out the cool CGI stuff we can do!" felt like large parts of 2 and 3, seldom in service of the story (more like "we need to kill some running time so... eh, check out this long CGI action sequence with no stakes) but not 1. 1's CGI always felt "just about right" to tell the story.

"The Thirteenth Floor" came out at like the same time. Excellent movie. It literally DID have a Matrix within a Matrix... but nobody saw it. Not enough sunglasses and leather longcoats, probably.

[Coola Yagami]

The concept of main character stuck in a dream world has been done before, hell, even an episode of the Animated Series dealt with that. But has there ever been one on the scale of the Matrix where literally the entire world was plugged into the dream world?

[Leo656]

I mean, I guess the story was a big draw from the get, but as I've said it just never blew my mind.

"What if none of this is real?!"

.....Okay. That'd suck. "What if Godzilla WAS real?" That'd suck, too, but people don't treat that concept (or the movies) as anything specifically mind-blowing or "deep".

Once you get past Stoner Hypothetical What-Ifs what you're left with is just Acceptable Popcorn Entertainment. In my opinion, of course.

It's been like a hundred years since I even watched it so maybe I'll revisit it one day. It's not altogether impossible that my opinion on it may change. I'm just not terribly inclined to do so. But maybe.

[sdp]

I think Avatar sequels are going to be huge, I was over 18 but the kids who saw it are now adults and nostalgic, it was their Star Wars just like The Matrix was my Star Wars. Didn't care for the first film much but I think people are underestimating Avatar as a franchise.

It doesn't matter if a story has been "done before" everything has been done before, it's how you tell that story what matters. The first matrix did it very well, the sequels didn't. They did such a bad job with them that people forgot about The Matrix for 18 years. People are hyped for the new movie because it evokes the original film. The original film was so influential that most movies and video games in the first half of the 2000's was a matrix rip off and/or parody.

[Leo656]

I think Avatar sequels are going to be huge, I was over 18 but the kids who saw it are now adults and nostalgic, it was their Star Wars just like The Matrix was my Star Wars.

And people somehow claim that cultural standards haven't dropped ten feet into the sh*tter. Jesus Christ.

I barely even like Star Wars anymore, but if either Avatar or The Matrix was "That Generation's Star Wars" then That Generation was incredibly easily-amused.

Avatar spent three hours and $300 million dollars to say, essentially, "War Bad, Nature Good." Which is a point that a ten-cent flyer taped to the wall in a Social Studies classroom can make just as well. The longer you let that sink in, the more you realize that movie simply isn't that good. It's not bad, it does nothing especially poorly, it's just a gross monument to excess that has nothing to actually say beyond third-grade level "philosophy", and the characters and world-building aren't compelling enough to make up for it. Who even remembers any of the characters' names without checking Google or Wikipedia? F*cking nobody.

I'll take your word for it that there's somehow tons of nostalgia for it and a lot of people waiting with bated breath to see more of it. I've literally never heard anyone outside of the internet even mention that movie past the year 2010. And even ON the internet I've mostly only ever heard jokes about how long the sequels are taking and how the movie made no actual impression despite making tons of money.

I have never, ever heard or seen anyone say, "Avatar was my generation's Star Wars, and I can't wait for the 25 sequels we're supposed to get." At best, it's "I liked it, but it's been a while since I watched it... and if I don't anytime soon, that's okay." I'm sure SOME people have the type of enthusiasm you claim, but... lots of people? Eh. I highly doubt it.
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I mentioned Blu-ray players before, but I forgot to mention how Avatar was also a gimmick for selling 3D TVs, too. "You gotta see it in 3D, fam... you gotta buy a 3D HDTV and Blu-ray setup to 'really' get into it, bruh." That was literally the movie that f*cking Best Buy would use on their showcase floor to convince people you "HAD" to buy a 3D HDTV setup. And it was also the reason why overnight every "big" movie had to be presented in 3D whether it made any difference or not.

So yeah, altogether, Avatar's cultural impact isn't measured by its "fandom"; it's measured in how many people bought a new goddamn TV setup just because of that one f*cking movie, which they watched maybe three times in ten years.

Doing the math, that would mean that the biggest Avatar fanatics are "Technophiles Who Have Generally-Mediocre Standards." That.... sounds pretty bulletproof, actually. Like if someone did a line graph I bet you'd see that exact conclusion on it.

[Andrew NDB]

Avatar? Count me among those who really dug it. Guaranteed when Avatar 2 comes out it will be a juggernaut again. I'm no tree hugging hippy or anything, but that was some great worldbuilding and characters, and shot beautifully.

[Leo656]

Eh. Maybe. I'unno. "Shot beautifully", sure. Zero argument there.

The rest?

"The planet's called 'Pandora'."
"I know."
"It's like, foreshadowing how if they f*ck with it, they're gonna be unleashing all kinds of havoc unforeseen."
"Yep."
"....That's deep, man."

Except for how NO IT F*CKING ISN'T!!! :lol::lol::lol:

That's the sh*t I mean, man. Not only is the movie preachy and its message transparent and paper-thin (not BAD, just... obvious and blunt), but some of it is so "on the nose" that it's all up in there scratching your frontal lobe.

That's some "I'm gonna name my main character Avery Mann, or better yet Norm Hull, so that everybody thinks I'm clever when they get it" level sh*t. You just know the numbnuts who came up with it thought he was the smartest motherf*cker in the room and not at all a gigantic f*cking dumbass. :lol:

[ZariusTwo]

I'll see it, but I really believe those rumblings the first movie's script was plagiarized and the sequels were what the Wachowskis were only ever truly capable of. Which, suffice to say, wasn't up to much.

I do love all the speeches in Reloaded though. Probably because every Playstation game at the time were full of them.

[Sumac]

I have my doubts about greatness of Avatar sequels: original barely remembered as anything, but a CGI performance, which is different from how Star Wars maintained its presence even when there were no movies or big projects.

So there is a possibility that sequels will be nothing, but beautiful, but ultimately empty blockbusters, which are plaguing Hollywood, since the 00s.

[Andrew NDB]

Eh. Maybe. I'unno. "Shot beautifully", sure. Zero argument there.

The rest?

"The planet's called 'Pandora'."
"I know."
"It's like, foreshadowing how if they f*ck with it, they're gonna be unleashing all kinds of havoc unforeseen."
"Yep."
"....That's deep, man."

Except for how NO IT F*CKING ISN'T!!! :lol::lol::lol:

That's the sh*t I mean, man. Not only is the movie preachy and its message transparent and paper-thin (not BAD, just... obvious and blunt), but some of it is so "on the nose" that it's all up in there scratching your frontal lobe.

That's some "I'm gonna name my main character Avery Mann, or better yet Norm Hull, so that everybody thinks I'm clever when they get it" level sh*t. You just know the numbnuts who came up with it thought he was the smartest motherf*cker in the room and not at all a gigantic f*cking dumbass. :lol:

Who cares what they name things, though? And you didn't even touch on "Inobtanium."

I have my doubts about greatness of Avatar sequels: original barely remembered as anything, but a CGI performance

I don't know... it's not good odds to bet against Cameron. He might have gotten full of himself over the years, but he hasn't shown he is even capable of turning in a forgettable or unsuccessful film.

[IMJ]

The first Avatar was way underwhelming. It dragged and the "Dances with Wolves with Aliens" thing is dead on.

I do remember though thinking that the VFX were absolutely photo real in most instances. They did a great job, even with ships landing and how the trees were responding to the air pressures and whatnot. I have little or not anticipation for the sequels - too little, too late to care. I used to like Sam Worthington too, but his career has died on the vine in the interim.

[Sumac]

I don't know... it's not good odds to bet against Cameron. He might have gotten full of himself over the years, but he hasn't shown he is even capable of turning in a forgettable or unsuccessful film.
It can repeat fate of the first Avatar: be a juggernaut in the box-office and barely remembered few years later.

[Leo656]

Who cares what they name things, though? And you didn't even touch on "Inobtanium."


Too easy. :lol:

I think people care, or they wouldn't poke fun. I mean, bare-minimum effort is bare-minimum effort. Stuff like that is a little bit too Freshman Year for my tastes, y'know? You expect better from people who've been doing this a long time and been successful at it.

It just sort of illustrates what a lot of people are always saying, how with that movie they put a huge deal of effort and care into the CGI, and when it comes to the other stuff it's like "Eh, just tack it on." It makes it seem like the visuals were the only thing they cared about and the entire point of making the movie.

...Which it was. I mean, it's as much a "tech demo" as it is a movie, a showcase for where special effects technology was going. That's fine, they made money with it.

[Andrew NDB]

Kinda candid. Interesting.

https://gamerant.com/matrix-resurrections-neo-trinity-return-explained/amp/

[sdp]

I want a Matrix tv show on HBO Max and a cartoon. Will this be the first PG13 Matrix?

[Andrew NDB]

I want a Matrix tv show on HBO Max and a cartoon. Will this be the first PG13 Matrix?

If it's PG-13 I won't support it at all. F*** that.

[sdp]

Well it's confirmed rated R. I wonder how dated the movie will look with the black attire and trench coats and whatnot, it reeks of the early 00's. I mean I'm all over it. I watched all the movies also the animatrix is the matrix cartoon (https://miscrave.com/articles/animatrix/) we wanted. I forgot how good it is, it's not very rewatchable but man it's still really good at least most of the shorts. I hope we get an animatrix 2 someday. I don't know if I want a Matrix 5 and 6 if 4 is successful but i'm glad we're getting a fourth film, such a great universe.

[IMJ]

Loved the Animatrix.

[Andrew NDB]

"Not a sequel."

https://www.darkhorizons.com/the-matrix-resurrections-is-not-a-sequel/

Hmm... OK, I'm starting to worry this might end up being something meta to a degree that it might almost become a parody.

[Jester]

So it's going to subvert expectations? Fun...

[ZariusTwo]

"Not a sequel."

https://www.darkhorizons.com/the-matrix-resurrections-is-not-a-sequel/

Hmm... OK, I'm starting to worry this might end up being something meta to a degree that it might almost become a parody.

I read that's exactly what it is. More line with MG2 Sons of Liberty

[Sumac]

Wachowski going meta?
Well, if anything, you are either do it right and it become stuff of legends (like MGS2) or you make it wrong and it becomes butt of all possible jokes (MGS4).

Also, I don't really sure what it supposed to be? A spin-off with new protagonists? Weird soft-reboot / sequel? I don't know...

[Andrew NDB]

I'm just worried it might be something like, Keanu Reeves is not playing some kind of new Thomas Anderson... he's playing somebody else, in a world where the Matrix movies exist as movies. But it turns out he's the Neo in some kind of REAL 2021 Matrix.

Or something.

[sdp]

I think you're reading too much into it, that's not where they're going with the movie, you could say that the first and second movie also subverted expectations. Just so everyone prepares for it I'm sure that the movie will include a trans character who is trans female in the real world and real female in the matrix. That's something they wanted to do since the first movie with Switch but were not allowed since it was too "much" back then for studios.

I watched the Enter The Matrix spin-off movie (https://miscrave.com/articles/enter-the-matrix/), the tie in video game (that should get a remaster) that actually has filmed footage with the actors. I know it's been released as an extra on dvds but without the context of what's happening in the video game it doesn't make much sense. In fact by watching this first you get a lot of context over what's happening in Reloaded and you feel less lost but at the same time if you haven't watched reloaded many things in the game don't make sense. Kind of weird but cool in a way, wish more movies had done something like this.

[Sumac]

I'm just worried it might be something like, Keanu Reeves is not playing some kind of new Thomas Anderson... he's playing somebody else, in a world where the Matrix movies exist as movies. But it turns out he's the Neo in some kind of REAL 2021 Matrix.

Or something.
I feel like its the only way to make something surprising in the world of Matrix, because, "Zion is a simulation" was speculated since Revolutions and no-one would be surprised by that. Might as well watch 13th floor movie, which directly plays with this idea.

And I don't see what another original idea, they can introduce in the story, because, repeating OG remise, will be just...boring.

I watched the Enter The Matrix spin-off movie (https://miscrave.com/articles/enter-the-matrix/), the tie in video game (that should get a remaster) that actually has filmed footage with the actors. I know it's been released as an extra on dvds but without the context of what's happening in the video game it doesn't make much sense. In fact by watching this first you get a lot of context over what's happening in Reloaded and you feel less lost but at the same time if you haven't watched reloaded many things in the game don't make sense. Kind of weird but cool in a way, wish more movies had done something like this.
Please, no.

On paper this is an interesting idea - in practice, however, it means that you won't understand jackshit from both a movie and a game, if you play / watch them without the other half being available to you, because, important scenes, which give context to certain events and provide character development, are divided between the two works.

Like, I've played ETM before watching Reloaded and most of the stuff in the game was pure nonsense. After I've watched Reloaded, most of it made sense, but I've noticed that movie was missing a lot of stuff, as if it was cut in a really haphazard way.

So, no, it is an interesting idea, but there is no way to implement it in a nice way, without damaging structure of either work.

[sdp]

My interest is piqued, yeah it could be terrible but the trailers are doing a good job in having you get excited.
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[frank_one]

Well, I'm excited again.

[ZariusTwo]

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[ZariusTwo]

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[IMJ]

I'm very excited about this but are these trailers giving anyone else the "remake the original movie vibe" a little too much. Sending Neo through all of the exact same $#!(.

Isn't that the kind of criticism that people liked to levy on The Force Awakens (same movie as ANH) and others like the generic Marvel movie formula?

Just a vibe from the trailers...

[ZariusTwo]

I'm very excited about this but are these trailers giving anyone else the "remake the original movie vibe" a little too much. Sending Neo through all of the exact same $#!(.

Isn't that the kind of criticism that people liked to levy on The Force Awakens (same movie as ANH) and others like the generic Marvel movie formula?

Just a vibe from the trailers...

Wachowski and her co-writer have always said this movie is meant to be a partial satirical commentary on reboots than a direct sequel. It's pretty much going to be what Evangelion Rebuild and MGS 2 and 5 were. Meta commentary and personal therapy for it's creators.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah... I'm thinking my guess as to the premise might be true. People just expecting a good sequel set years later with the machines resurrecting Neo and Trinity and a Matrix 2.0 will probably be disappointed.

[IMJ]

So what's going to happen here? We are going to see Neo and Trinity in 20 minutes of the movie, reliving the original Matrix via simulation but then the rest of the flick is about someone else entirely?

[Andrew NDB]

So what's going to happen here? We are going to see Neo and Trinity in 20 minutes of the movie, reliving the original Matrix via simulation but then the rest of the flick is about someone else entirely?

I don't know... I can't put my finger on it. I just think that the Matrix trilogy will be relegated to some kind of fictional story or fantasy, largely inside Neo's head. It's even there in the song they chose for the trailer.

Maybe by the end it won't even be clear what is "real" and it'll try to make you debate which is the reality. Something unsatisfying like that.

[sdp]

The leaks made it sound like they were watching a movie and the original matrix was just a film. The trailers however seem to imply something different, the events did happen and the machines are re-using some of those events.

I'm starting to think that all the events from The Matrix Online are canon to the movie (http://miscrave.com/articles/matrix-online/). That would explain at least what happened to morpheus, Niobe's role as a new leader and the search for Neo since he wasn't dead, the death of the online game would be the end of that story to be rebooted into whatever this movie brings. Neat thing to notice the path of neo video game had the fight with the oracle's while the movie fight scene played in the background and I think it had dialog like "what is real?" that was directed by the wachowski's as well so it was an idea that they had been playing with since the mid 00's.


People just expecting a good sequel set years later with the machines resurrecting Neo and Trinity and a Matrix 2.0 will probably be disappointed.

nobody wanted this, sounds absolutely horrible and creatively bankrupt. If it was to be a reboot it needed new characters set in the matrix with new adventures, no sense to revive Neo if his journey was over unless there's some crazy explanation to have it make sense which is what this seems to be I want something that makes sense to the legacy of the matrix movies and characters not just "another story"

[Andrew NDB]

nobody wanted this, sounds absolutely horrible and creatively bankrupt. If it was to be a reboot it needed new characters set in the matrix with new adventures, no sense to revive Neo if his journey was over unless there's some crazy explanation to have it make sense which is what this seems to be I want something that makes sense to the legacy of the matrix movies and characters not just "another story"

No, everything I've heard from about 95% of folks I've talked to expect/want some variation on that.

[sdp]

probably the same people that loved The Force Awakens when it came out and brought "star wars back", I'll take Neo being a tranny over that.

https://www.slashfilm.com/img/gallery/the-force-awakens-and-a-new-hope-comparison/intro-import.jpg