Hellboy Reboot

[TurtleTitan97]

David Harbour (Stranger Things) is currently in talks to play the main role. Del Toro and Ron Pearlman won't be involved: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/hellboy-reboot-works-stranger-things-star-david-harbour-1001462


Millennium is in negotiations with producers Larry Gordon and Lloyd Levin for a new installment.




Hellboy, the demonic comic book hero-turned- Guillermo del Toro film franchise, is poised to return to the big-screen, this time without the filmmaker at the helm.

Millennium is in negotiations with producers Larry Gordon and Lloyd Levin for a new installment that would reboot and relaunch the property.

Neil Marshall, the horror director who broke out with The Descent and won raves for his work on Game of Thrones, is in talks to direct the project, which has a working title of Hellboy: Rise of the Blood Queen and has a script by Andrew Cosby, Christopher Golden and Hellboy creator Mike Mignola.

Del Toro is not involved nor is Ron Perlman, the actor who inhabited the red-skinned cigar-chomping devil in the two previous installments.

Rather, David Harbour, the Stranger Things star, is in talks play Hellboy.

If a deal makes, Millennium would become the third company to make a Hellboy movie in as many releases.

Hellboy was created in 1993 by Mignola and became an indie comic hit as it told of a demon raised by a professor, working to fight supernatural evildoers for an organization called Bureau for Paranormal Research and Defense.

Del Toro co-wrote and directed the first adaptation, which was made by Revolution Studios and released by Sony in 2004. The movie made $60 million domestic (another $40 internationally asterisked that this was the era before international box office dominated performance) on a budget of $66 million.

The second movie was made by Universal with the same team – del Toro and Perlman – but its box office mojo was cut short when The Dark Knight, directed by Christopher Nolan and featuring Heath Ledger as the Joker, opened six days later.

Still, there were rumblings of a third installment and last year del Toro, Dark Horse Entertainment, Levin and Gordon, the latter who controls the rights, explored their options. However, the budget was a stumbling block, with del Toro wanting a bigger canvas for his vision. In the end, the producers decided a reboot and relaunch was more feasible.

[Autbot_Benz]

I would have rather had the third movie. Ron Perlman was Hellboy he was amazing.

http://i.imgur.com/FUPJx4x.gif

[drgon78]

Ron Pearlman is Hellboy, anyone else is an imitation.

[Andrew NDB]

Huh. Well this probably spells doom for my buddy's sidequel that was being developed. Or maybe not.

[Powder]

I'm for it, could be dope.

[Ninjinister]

Perlman is my favorite actor, and I have no idea who this bloke is, so I'm not super-enthused. Also I loved the del Toro weirdness of the creatures (especially in the second one where he got to do more than just adapt) so... eh. I do like Hellboy as a character, though.

[Autbot_Benz]

Perlman is my favorite actor, and I have no idea who this bloke is, so I'm not super-enthused. Also I loved the del Toro weirdness of the creatures (especially in the second one where he got to do more than just adapt) so... eh. I do like Hellboy as a character, though.

Same here Perlman is one of my favorite actors. . Man I feel bad for Ron and GTD just a few months earlier they went to pitch Hellboy 3 and the studios said no so they announce a reboot later. Kind of a big Middle Finger to Ron and GTD.

[ProactiveMan]

I'm not sure how I feel about that. I love the two movies, and even the two animated movies, but I can't honestly say that it's impossible to make a better adaptation of the comic. I'd like to see Hellboy III more than a reboot, but if that's the way it has to be then I'll give it a fair shake.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I agree that Perlman WAS Hellboy. He absolutely nailed it. I have a few HB and BPRD issues and he and Abe's actor were stellar in their roles.

[TigerClaw]

I heard the reboot is gonna be rated R.
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/hellboy/hellboy_3/hellboy-r-rated-reboot-in-the-works-from-neil-marshall-will-star-stranger-things-actor-david-harbour-a150952

[Krutch]

As much as it kills me there won't be a third DelToro/Perlman movie, I've made my peace with that a long time ago.

And Niel Marshal is an amazing director. The Descent was one of the scariest horror flicks I've ever seen, Dog Soldiers was a fun action take on werewolves, and Doomsday is just a charged mess of ideas that I couldn't take my eyes off. Love this guy. Looking forward to see how this develops.

[plastroncafe]

Well I'm both sad and cautiously optimistic about this.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

The original Hellboy movies didn't do much for me, but I really liked Ron and the overall potential.

I think a reboot, especially with Hopper, could be excellent. Optimistic.

[Andrew NDB]

Personally, I saw Hellboy 1 and it was oh-kay. Kind of boring. Ending sort of deadpan. Never bothered with part 2.

[sdp]

I've never watched or checked anything out from Hellboy, I don't know, it doesn't seem to appeal to me, are the two DTV movies or live action movies a good way to get a feeling for the character?

[ProphetofGanja]

I hate to rain on anyone's parade, but as a long-time Hellboy comics fan I'm overjoyed to hear that the Guillermo Del Toro franchise is dead. Pearlman really was a greaty Hellboy, but I think David Harbour could do just as good a job.

I've never watched or checked anything out from Hellboy, I don't know, it doesn't seem to appeal to me, are the two DTV movies or live action movies a good way to get a feeling for the character?

No. Do yourself a favor and check out the first few stories from the Hellboy comics, or pick and choose based on what interests you personally. There is a long-running plot but also a lot of stand-alone stories that are a lot of fun.

Seriously, the two live-action Hellboy flicks are awful messes and totally changed the nature of the characters' world, the Bureau for Paranormal Research and Defense where Hellboy works, and his teammates there. I don't really see why an R rating is necessary for the series but as long as its better than the first film franchise I'm all for it

[TurtleTitan97]

A few minor updates:

-The film currently has the tentative title of "Hellboy: Rise of the Blood Queen"

-Pre-production on the film is currently underway as Harbour teased in a photo he's being fitted for Hellboy's Right Hand of Doom: http://www.cbr.com/hellboy-reboot-david-harbour-right-hand-of-doom/

-Filming has also been confirmed to start this upcoming Fall: http://www.cbr.com/hellboy-reboot-filming-david-harbour/

-And finally, Ron Pearlman officially passes on the torch and gave Harbour his blessing: https://www.comicbookmovie.com/hellboy/hellboys-ron-perlman-and-david-harbour-meet-over-dinner-as-perlman-passes-the-torch-a151664

[The Deadman]

Lionsgate Will Probably Distribute ‘Hellboy: Rise of the Blood Queen’ (http://bloody-disgusting.com/movie/3445294/lionsgate-will-probably-distribute-hellboy-rise-blood-queen/)

[The Deadman]

Mignola Reveals Hellboy Reboot Was Originally Tied to Del Toro Movies
Read more at http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/868087-mignola-reveals-hellboy-reboot-was-originally-tied-to-del-toro-movies#bcdS8DdDr5izzJtt.99

[Candy Kappa]

I'm all for a movie closer to Mignola's Hellboy. The del Toro movies are alright, but the story was pretty boring in both and only holds up due to Creature Design and the charisma of the main actors.

[ProphetofGanja]

I'm all for a movie closer to Mignola's Hellboy. The del Toro movies are alright, but the story was pretty boring in both and only holds up due to Creature Design and the charisma of the main actors.

Yeah, I still can't get over seeing Rasputin wearing sunglasses. I think ultimately the character/creature design was a mixed bag. Hellboy looked great, but Abe looked pretty wack. The odd changes like making Liz a romantic interest rather than a little sister-type character were really not needed.

[Autbot_Benz]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/american-gods-star-ian-mcshane-joins-david-harbour-hellboy-reboot-1025853?utm_source=twitter&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

Ian Mcshane is cast as Prof Broom

[Autbot_Benz]

Francis himself from Deadpool joins the cast


Ed Skrein‏Verified account @edskrein 19m19 minutes ago

Excited to join the #Hellboy cast as Ben Daimio. All praise due to the creator @artofmmignola ���� #BPRD

apparently this character is Asian-American in the comics and people are upset that he is being white washed

[Autbot_Benz]

Francis himself from Deadpool joins the cast


Ed Skrein‏Verified account @edskrein 19m19 minutes ago

Excited to join the #Hellboy cast as Ben Daimio. All praise due to the creator @artofmmignola ���� #BPRD

apparently this character is Asian-American in the comics and people are upset that he is being white washed

Ed Skrein has left the reboot because of the white washing controversy

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/ed-skrein-exits-hellboy-whitewashing-1202540677/

[ProphetofGanja]

Oh good. Now they can properly portray Ben Daimio

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Ed Skrein has left the reboot because of the white washing controversy

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/ed-skrein-exits-hellboy-whitewashing-1202540677/

I have no feelings on this character or property or actor, but that is pretty cool of Skrein to do that.

[plastroncafe]

Damn. That's a gutsy move.
Good on him!

[ProactiveMan]

I hope they paid him something. I'm conflicted about this. I understand where everyone is coming from, and if the actor really did step aside because he thought it was the right thing to do then that shows a certain amount of integrity.. At the same time, there is a certain lack of artistic integrity in letting twitter call the shots. The next actor in this guy's shoes is in for a rough ride.

[Powder]

Bad move on whoever cast him, good move on him for backing out. I dunno why Hollywood has such a hate-boner for Asians.

[Sumac]

I hope they paid him something. I'm conflicted about this. I understand where everyone is coming from, and if the actor really did step aside because he thought it was the right thing to do then that shows a certain amount of integrity.. At the same time, there is a certain lack of artistic integrity in letting twitter call the shots. The next actor in this guy's shoes is in for a rough ride.
They should've cast asian actor to play asian character.
Twitter has nothing to do with it. Or at least, I doubt it is the main reason.

[ProactiveMan]

They should've cast asian actor to play asian character.
Twitter has nothing to do with it. Or at least, I doubt it is the main reason.

I agree they should have cast someone else, but based on the way this went down, I don't see how you can say Twitter had nothing to do with it. The dude took the job, and backlash made him quit. Do you think he would have done so sans backlash?

[plastroncafe]

"Made him quit."

It's true.
Twitter had a knife and everything.

[Andrew NDB]

Ed Skrein has left the reboot because of the white washing controversy

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/ed-skrein-exits-hellboy-whitewashing-1202540677/

Damn. That's a gutsy move.

It's a savvy move.

How many people were talking about Ed Skrein before he did this? How many people are talking about Ed Skrein now?

[TheSkeletonMan939]

"Made him quit."

It's true.
Twitter had a knife and everything.

Twitter "outrage" was a factor in Ghost in the Shell's hard time at the box office; that film came out only a few months ago and of course featured a white actress playing a historically Asian role. You think Lionsgate wasn't going to learn from that incident once the same thing started happening with Hellboy? Either Skrein was pressured to leave the project (with a lump of cash in hand) or he's the selfless hero he presents himself as and didn't want to be the man who caused the film to get bad word-of-mouth in a few months.

GitS was of course a hackwork film that alienated a lot of its potential audience in several ways, but ScarJo's casting was a big turn-off to everyone.

It's a savvy move.

How many people were talking about Ed Skrein before he did this? How many people are talking about Ed Skrein now?

Not just Skrein, but Hellboy in general. The last movie came out like 10 years ago; something like this is a great way to get people's ears to perk up, especially in the tornado of comic book films we have now.

[plastroncafe]

If Ghost in the Shell, or The Last Airbender, had been better movies in general the outrage would have been easily forgotten.

Calling this Twitter Outrage dismisses the fact that this is what cultural shifts look like.

I stand by my original assessment of this being a gutsy movie on the actor's part, because it's still a gamble. It'll only be a savvy one if it pans out in his favor.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

If Ghost in the Shell, or The Last Airbender, had been better movies in general the outrage would have been easily forgotten.

this is what cultural shifts look like.

I don't understand.

[plastroncafe]

I don't understand.

I'm saying Hollywood has a selective memory, but the public does not.
What people are dismissing as Twitter Outrage isn't anything new. It's always been there. What's changed is that now people are paying attention to it.

[Allio]

but when films like Ring or Edge of Tomorrow does it, the internet doesn't care.

[Sumac]

GitS was of course a hackwork film that alienated a lot of its potential audience in several ways, but ScarJo's casting was a big turn-off to everyone.
I think it is an overstatement - GITS, while famous to certain degree, is nowhere near some kind of "universally super known property" for majority of the people to care who is playing the main character.
I am pretty sure, that it lackluster box-office more tied to the quality of the movie itself, rather any other factors.

[Andrew NDB]

I think it is an overstatement - GITS, while famous to certain degree, is nowhere near some kind of "universally super known property" for majority of the people to care who is playing the main character.
I am pretty sure, that it lackluster box-office more tied to the quality of the movie itself, rather any other factors.

All of this is correct, in the instance of GITS. I almost undoubtedly would have gone and seen it myself if it didn't look like a soft, PG-13 hackjob.

[TigerClaw]

Penelope Mitchell has been cast as Ganeida The Witch
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/hellboy/hellboy-reboot-adds-hemlock-grove-actress-penelope-mitchell-as-ganeida-the-witch-a153557

[ProactiveMan]

"Made him quit."

It's true.
Twitter had a knife and everything.

OK Captain Literal; prompted him to quit. He took the job, he was pressured into quitting, and unless it had something to do with Jiminy Cricket I'm guessing it was social media, either working on him directly or on the suits, who then asked him to fall on his sword.

[plastroncafe]

Under duress is the only option?
Are people really not allowed to change their minds in your worldview?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

OK Captain Literal; prompted him to quit. He took the job, he was pressured into quitting, and unless it had something to do with Jiminy Cricket I'm guessing it was social media, either working on him directly or on the suits, who then asked him to fall on his sword.

Surprisingly, some people do actually have a conscience and want to see the advancement and equality of all people in all walks of life.

[Sumac]

Surprisingly, some people do actually have a conscience and want to see the advancement and equality of all people in all walks of life.
Don't bring logic into this!!
Also, don't dare to mention that some people might care about others. :tcool:

[Cure]

I remember one time a long time ago I was telling my sister a story about how there was a fire in Newark. The Mayor at the time was one of the people who rushed in trying to help. First thing she says is "imagine if he set up the fire to make himself look good?"

Some people are just super cynical.

[plastroncafe]

In her defense, it was Newark...

[Autbot_Benz]

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/daniel-dae-kim-hellboy-replaces-ed-skrein-1202554652/

Daniel Dae Kim is replacing Ed Skrein.

[ProphetofGanja]

Nice, this movie could be good.

It will at least likely be better than the previous two

[ProactiveMan]

Under duress is the only option?
Are people really not allowed to change their minds in your worldview?

Of course they can. I don't necessarily think the decision was made under duress; simply motivated by the actions of a mob. I can't read this guy's mind, so perhaps he did turn down a lucrative gig for reasons of conscience, but he said in his statement that he did it after being made aware of the backlash.

It's his business why he stepped down, but in doing so he's setting a precedent that may not always be wielded with noble intent.

[ProphetofGanja]

People are also capable of doing things for multiple reasons

[Autbot_Benz]

First look at Hellboy

https://i.imgur.com/YtWABtq.jpg

[plastroncafe]

Gotta admit, he does look pretty.

[Krutch]

Looks great! Looking forward to this.

[Candy Kappa]

Niiiice, he looks great.

[TigerClaw]

Here's a new pic.
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/hellboy/hellboy-star-david-harbour-shares-another-image-of-himself-in-full-costume-2019-release-date-set-a153812

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJoeutVW0AAomUF.jpg:small

[The Deadman]

Ron Pearlman doesnt want to talk the reboot
http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/09/27/hellboy-ron-perlman-refuses-to-talk-anymore-about-the-reboot

[Krutch]

I have a feeling this is going to (at last) establish Niel Marshal as a bit of a darling among comic fanboys. You'll hear his name tossed around for director candidates of different superhero properties along the likes of Matthew Vaughn and Edgar Wright. Calling it now.

[Powder]

I do nooot care for his look. That said, I can get past that & hope it'll be a good flick.

[ProphetofGanja]

I do nooot care for his look. That said, I can get past that & hope it'll be a good flick.

I'm not loving it yet either but I hope once we hear Harbour deliver some lines it'll change my opinion


Apparently the reboot will more deeply explore Hellboy and Professor Broom's relationship (https://www.cbr.com/hellboy-ian-mcshane-character-details/)

[TurtleTitan97]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DocSIpMUYAIpsj3.jpg

[Krutch]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DocSIpMUYAIpsj3.jpg

Gnarly!!! I approve.

[TigerClaw]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DocSIpMUYAIpsj3.jpg
Love the Legendary AF on the poster.

[TigerClaw]

The trailer has leaked online.
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/hellboy/hellboy-the-first-trailer-for-the-reboot-has-leaked-online-and-its-surprisingly-wacky-a164119
https://www.facebook.com/comcomtj/videos/327353211176483/

[AquaParade]

I have to agree with the general reception I've seen online - It looks quite good, but a far-cry from the darker, horror-like tone they've been hyping up.

[Autbot_Benz]

Thomas Haden Church is playing Lobster Johnson.

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/hellboy/spider-man-3-star-thomas-haden-church-joins-the-hellboy-reboot-in-a-key-role-a164572

Fun Fact In the Del Toro Movies they were considering bringing Johnson in played by Bruce Campbell

[Candy Kappa]

Fun Fact In the Del Toro Movies they were considering bringing Johnson in played by Bruce Campbell

It's a crime against humanity that this didn't happen.

[Autbot_Benz]

It's a crime against humanity that this didn't happen.

agreed Del Toro wanted Bruce to play him if they did a 3rd movie but it never happened

[Autbot_Benz]

Screen Rant
‏Verified account @screenrant

Check out the new #Hellboy reboot poster - and get ready for the first trailer on Thursday!

https://i.imgur.com/nWFLvSu.jpg

[Krutch]

Hyped!

...awful, awful tagline, though.

[ProphetofGanja]

Hyped!

...awful, awful tagline, though.

Yeah, great poster and typography but terrible, terrible tag

"Even demons have demons" is better but still bad. Wordplay sux

Thomas Haden Church is playing Lobster Johnson.

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/hellboy/spider-man-3-star-thomas-haden-church-joins-the-hellboy-reboot-in-a-key-role-a164572

Fun Fact In the Del Toro Movies they were considering bringing Johnson in played by Bruce Campbell

In a way, I wish I'd never read your post, because now I will forever wonder what could have been, never to be satisfied

[Leo656]

Trying to get my buddy hyped for this, since it looks like it's gonna be pretty damn good. It's not going well; he's a "No Perlman, no Del Toro, No Sale" kinda guy. :ohwell:

I admit, I was at first, but this is really winning me over so far. Like, I'm not immune to changing my mind, it just takes a lot. This looks like they know what they're doing, so my hopes are high.

[TigerClaw]

The Hellboy Trailer got leaked. Watch it now before it disappears
https://twitter.com/thecalgee/status/1075413902006108160

[Autbot_Benz]

It looks ok. For a movie that is supposed to be darker than the first 2 I see lots of comedy.

[TigerClaw]

It looks ok. For a movie that is supposed to be darker than the first 2 I see lots of comedy.
Hellboy is a fun character. They can't make him super dark. I think they only say that. Because this movie will be R rated. While the previous versions were PG-13.

[Autbot_Benz]

Hellboy
‏Verified account @HellboyMovie
5m5 minutes ago

Looks like Christmas came early… Check out the #Hellboy trailer! Coming to theaters & IMAX April 12, 2019.

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[Andrew NDB]

I didn't know this was going to be rated-R. Awesome. I've always said that Hellboy (I never saw the second one, the first one didn't engage me enough) was one of those movies that could have definitely benefited from a harder edge.

[AquaParade]

Excited to see this but I'm trying to skip trailers lately. I did watch the last one and the tone of it reminded me of the Del Toro movies, more than I expected. I saw a lot of the same reaction online, because I think a lot of people were basing their expectations on comments made by those involved that this would be a darker, more horror-like vibe.

What say you, those who have seen the second trailer?

I have respect for those Del Toro films, for sure, but they don't quite capture what I love about the comics. I really do think it was an admirable effort with a lot of positives, but I expected something a bit more, I don't know, goth?

[Vicky82]

Lol, Big Mo from Eastenders (A British Soap on BBC1) is in Hellboy. :lol:

[Andrew NDB]

I have respect for those Del Toro films, for sure, but they don't quite capture what I love about the comics. I really do think it was an admirable effort with a lot of positives, but I expected something a bit more, I don't know, goth?

And apparently Mike Mignola loathes the Del Toro films.

[Candy Kappa]

I'm diggin the trailer

[Krutch]

And apparently Mike Mignola loathes the Del Toro films.He does. When I met him at an expo he rolled his eyes at the mention of the movies. Not sure what he takes issue with.

[Andrew NDB]

He does. When I met him at an expo he rolled his eyes at the mention of the movies. Not sure what he takes issue with.

I think I remember someone saying primarily the romance between Hellboy and old girl (as in there shouldn't be any). But I know there's other stuff. Probably it mostly comes down to no one on the Del Toro films really involving him at all, creatively, whereas this one he's very hands-on.

[Allio]

I didn't know this was going to be rated-R. Awesome. I've always said that Hellboy (I never saw the second one, the first one didn't engage me enough) was one of those movies that could have definitely benefited from a harder edge.

the second at least has some really great choreographed fight scenes.

[Autbot_Benz]

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This movie is banana's

[Leo656]

I'm in.

I desperately wanted Hellboy 3 but this looks extremely interesting. Mignola says they nailed it, so that's worth a peek from me.

I'll have to work hard to get my buddy to go see it with us. Huge Del Toro fan, takes the reboot as a personal betrayal. But maybe this will get him excited.

[Autbot_Benz]

I'm in.

I desperately wanted Hellboy 3 but this looks extremely interesting. Mignola says they nailed it, so that's worth a peek from me.

I'll have to work hard to get my buddy to go see it with us. Huge Del Toro fan, takes the reboot as a personal betrayal. But maybe this will get him excited.

I to am a huge Del toro/ Perlman Hellboy fan but this looks great. Its gonna be weird with Abe and Liz. But were-Jaguar guy is cool.

[Autbot_Benz]

Jim Vejvoda
‏Verified account @JimVejvoda
5s5 seconds ago

Hellboy is a thin, clumsy, and charmless attempt at rebooting a beloved franchise: http://www.ign.com/articles/2019/04/10/hellboy-reboot-review … by @rustypolished via @IGN

The Wrap enjoyed it
https://www.thewrap.com/hellboy-movie-review-2019-david-harbour/

[Autbot_Benz]

https://i.imgur.com/OvDMbRL.png

https://i.imgur.com/TjvUecG.gif

[Leo656]

Well if the critics hate it, it's probably pretty good.

Mignola says it's great, and his word counts with me. He created the dam thing. Hopefully this weekend.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, getting "scathing reviews."

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/hellboy/hellboy-reviews-are-scathing-reboot-referred-to-as-one-of-the-worst-comic-book-movies-ever-made-a167720

[Leo656]

Most critics shouldn't be in the business of reviewing comic book films anyway, since they immediately crap on anything that isn't crammed full of "jokes" or watered down for children. Only ONE specific kind of CBM ever gets a good review, which says a lot all by itself.

It's probably not a masterpiece - the CGI definitely looks iffy - but it's probably Just Fine. I loved Del Toro's films but since this is more based on the comics I'm not interested in comparing them, as they try to do entirely different things with the material.

I feel like the lingering resentment over not getting Hellboy 3 instead is skewing a lot of people's opinions on the reboot even existing. To them I'd say, "You should have actually paid to see Hellboy 2 and then you might have gotten the movie you wanted."

I predict after this under-performs, the studio will wait 5 years and finally pay Del Toro whatever he wants to finally do his Part 3, and they'll all just act like this one never happened. It is what it is.

Still looking forward to it, but it's pretty obvious that word of mouth and too much competition is going to kill this one on the launchpad. Shame.

[Andrew NDB]

Shesus... read this, though. Sounds like a hell of a time on set:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/hellboy-clashes-emerge-as-film-widely-panned/?fbclid=IwAR1c0HIgSIZfRr3cdFU2k9lvkOa4SBY_FoMlJHmE R16RXvrciLWCVmI6nl4

[AquaParade]

I was really looking forward to this film. Bummed to see this. I'll still check it out when it releases digitally.

[Autbot_Benz]

I am going next Tuesday. Still excited to see it

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm still interested in seeing it. Just gotta see if my movie buddy is backing out over the reviews...

The plan is currently next Wednesday, I think. And as someone who thought the Del Toro movies were only "a'ight", I'm hoping to be impressed by this.

[Andrew NDB]

And as someone who thought the Del Toro movies were only "a'ight"

The same. Though I didn't even like the first one enough to see the second one. It was definitely an example, though, of a movie I thought to myself that would benefit from an R-rating given what they were going for... so maybe the new one is better.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

The same. Though I didn't even like the first one enough to see the second one. It was definitely an example, though, of a movie I thought to myself that would benefit from an R-rating given what they were going for... so maybe the new one is better.

CinemaSins just did their video for Hellboy II. That's the closest I've come to watching it, too. :tlol:

[snake]

11% on RT probably means I’m going to enjoy it. That’s the mindset I operate on now.

[Andrew NDB]

To be fair, a lot of those critics are probably going to be people who really loved the Del Toro movies and are mad we got this instead of Hellboy 3.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

To be fair, a lot of those critics are probably going to be people who really loved the Del Toro movies and are made we got this instead of Hellboy 3.

So far, I think that accounts for 85% of all hate directed against this movie. I'm not expecting it to be spectacular or anything, but it'll probably be "a'ight" same as the others.

I actually am planning to check out some graphic novels from the library and see if I can dig into Hellboy, so the movies (both del Toro and this one) have generated at least THAT much interest for me.

[ProphetofGanja]

He does. When I met him at an expo he rolled his eyes at the mention of the movies. Not sure what he takes issue with.

Um, they're terrible?

I'm in.

I desperately wanted Hellboy 3 but this looks extremely interesting. Mignola says they nailed it, so that's worth a peek from me.

I'll have to work hard to get my buddy to go see it with us. Huge Del Toro fan, takes the reboot as a personal betrayal. But maybe this will get him excited.

Perlman was great as Hellboy, but he was the only saving grace of those films.

So far, I think that accounts for 85% of all hate directed against this movie. I'm not expecting it to be spectacular or anything, but it'll probably be "a'ight" same as the others.

I actually am planning to check out some graphic novels from the library and see if I can dig into Hellboy, so the movies (both del Toro and this one) have generated at least THAT much interest for me.

You're in for a hell of a ride

(see what I did there?? :lol:)

[Leo656]

Oh, for sure, in every single review I've read, there's some high praise for Del Toro's films and an undertone of "We Don't Need This Movie, We Wanted Hellboy 3". That's entirely unfair.

Furthermore, the words "It's TOO concerned with being faithful to the comic books" are repeated way, WAY too much by the critics. That's a feature, not a bug, morons. I get that movies are different, but holy sh*t, the guy who wrote the comics co-wrote the movie and this is what he wanted a Hellboy movie to look like. Maybe those people weren't fans of the Hellboy movies or the character, so much as they just liked Del Toro and are willing to pop for whatever he does? Sure seems that way. They're definitely not factoring in the actual creator's vision, they're too busy comparing it to the other films, which isn't at all fair.

I mean, sure, maybe it's just lousy. But I find it hard to believe it can be as bad as they're saying. I'm sensing a lot of bitterness about the loss of Hellboy 3 in almost every review, and other saying it's "Too Violent". WTF?

I'll grant, the CGI looks cheap. But I still think it's probably a better movie than it's being given credit for. Hopefully I'll know by Sunday. I'm not expecting a masterpiece but I do expect an entertaining comic book horror/action/comedy. I sincerely doubt I'll regret dropping the coin on it.

[Allio]

From someone that likes the comics, the old movies and the animated films (I personally liked the animated films better than the pearlman ones, really disappointed they didn't continue)

I liked the film good enough. Felt like a fun R-rated romp. Different from the comics and Pearlman's stuff to be sure, but welcomed. Biggest issue is that it Felt like a sequel to a movie that doesn't exist. Baba Yaga especially felt like she was like a major villain plot from a theoretical first film

[Xav]

Most critics shouldn't be in the business of reviewing comic book films anyway, since they immediately crap on anything that isn't crammed full of "jokes" or watered down for children. Only ONE specific kind of CBM ever gets a good review, which says a lot all by itself.I'm pretty sure those Batman films got some good reviews.

[joe-eyeball]

I think this movie isn’t anywhere near as bad as the critics are saying. I’m not disappointed at dropping $9 to see it. My biggest complaint is that every joke falls completely flat. There isn’t any humor in this movie at all. With that said it does in many ways feel like the comic with cool creature designs and David Harbour does a fine job in the role. The CG is a little iffy at times but that’s more of a budget limitation and doesn’t really spoil the film. I have a feeling it’ll be a while before we see Hellboy again in theaters as there was only five total people in the theater where I’m at.

[Leo656]

Yikes. That does not bode well.

Planning to see it tomorrow.

[Andrew NDB]

I saw it. It's not good. Hellboy is always cracking jokes that never land, Milla Jovovich pretty much sucks the life of the movie every time she's on screen and the CGI is pretty shockingly terrible in many places. Aside from Hellboy himself and his dad, all of the other actors were wooden.

It does have balls, though, so I have to give it some points. It's pretty bloody and when stuff gets crazy near the end, it gets even moreso. Let's just say there's some pretty... creative kills there.

[Allio]

I don't mind Hellboy cracking jokes, it feels like out of thethree (This, comic, and Perlman) this seems to be the youngest of the three (with comic being the oldest.) As for them landing? I mean it's comedy, it's all subjective. As for the cgi? Honestly I can't believe how cheap this film was, apparently 50 million to make.

[Andrew NDB]

As for them landing? I mean it's comedy, it's all subjective.

The theater I was in (which was full or close to full, surprisingly) was dead silent for 90% of them. The "head" joke near the end got a few chuckles, maybe.

[Allio]

Personally I always prefer quiet theatre. Unless it's one of those where everyone is in on the joke (like event movies). Though I can't really say that that there was many jokes that stood out in the film. I was pretty lucky, I had a thursday night showing (Had my A-list and I was finished with work just right before the last showing of the film, so I swung by) as there wasn't many,

[AquaParade]

Anyone feeling disappointed might want to check out the Hellboy Library Edition hardcovers. Really beautiful comics. Sure to make you feel a little better if you were looking forward to Hellboy.

For the record, I’m still looking forward to seeing this on home-video. Rarely do I go to the theater, so it will just have to wait a few months.

[Allio]

I don't have the library editions, but I do have the omnibuses that came out last year.

[AquaParade]

I don't have the library editions, but I do have the omnibuses that came out last year.

How is the quality on that?

The library editions were some of the finest hardcovers I’ve owned, but my BPRD hardcover came apart of it’s own will.

[Autbot_Benz]

How is the quality on that?

The library editions were some of the finest hardcovers I’ve owned, but my BPRD hardcover came apart of it’s own will.

I have the first of the 2018 Omnibuses its nice its your standard trade paperback but thick because of all the pages and the paper is the nice glossy stuff they use for most comics

[TigerClaw]

I saw it yesterday. and it wasn't bad at all. It was surprisingly good. Ignore those negative reviews.

[Autbot_Benz]

I saw it yesterday. and it wasn't bad at all. It was surprisingly good. Ignore those negative reviews.

you say that with every movie you see.:roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:

[Andrew NDB]

I saw it yesterday. and it wasn't bad at all. It was surprisingly good. Ignore those negative reviews.

Oh no. It's bad, trust me. Maybe with another draft of the script and a different Bloodqueen actress it could have been something.

Also... this is absolutely true:

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/hellboy-inexcusably-terrible-because-studio-wanted-series-sequels-not-one-ncna994016

Come to think of it yes, a large portion of the movie is written and setup like the latest "The Mummy"... i.e., it's eye set on foreshadowing many movies to come, not at all a focus on making this movie good.

[ProactiveMan]

I saw it on Saturday... it has it's moments, but overall it's a thumbs down from me.

I have no idea who this thing is aimed at. It suffers badly from 'Duke Nukem Forever syndrome', i.e. juvenile to the point that adults will roll their eyes, but full of content kids won't be allowed to see. Don't get me wrong, I don't think they should make everything for kids, but if you're making a movie for adults you have to write it for adults; and I don't mean throwing in loads of expletives.

I thought the script was overstuffed and pretty badly written. Some of the dialog was painful to listen to, although some actors did more with it than others. The two actors who played Hellboy's partners were particularly bad. Remember the 'whitewashing' controversy? Maybe there should have been a Yank-washing controversy because their British accents were balls. I think a lot of the lines would have landed better if they weren't trying to do the accents and act at the same time.

Movies always seems to have a built in excuse for negative criticism nowadays, and Hellboy 2019's is apparently the supposed butt-hurt of rabid del Toro fans. I'm sure they exist, and their butts probably do hurt, but at the end of the day this movie kind'a blows on it's own merits.

[Andrew NDB]

but full of content kids won't be allowed to see.

This has always seemed a misnomer to me. In my childhood, everyone saw R-rated movies in the theater. Whether it's parents taking kids, or parents buying the tickets and then leaving you to see it.

Maybe the meter have shifted since then. I don't know.

[Allio]

I think it's more of the changing times, horror films used to be more popular than it is now. and since Horror correlates with R-ratings, it isn't hard to see it get a hard bat to the face.

[Andrew NDB]

I think it's more of the changing times, horror films used to be more popular than it is now. and since Horror correlates with R-ratings, it isn't hard to see it get a hard bat to the face.

It's more shifting Big Studio expectations. Used to be studios would throw 10 million at an R-rated thing and be OK with a 50 million take. Now they want to throw 100 million at a thing and expect 300 million.

[ProactiveMan]

This has always seemed a misnomer to me. In my childhood, everyone saw R-rated movies in the theater. Whether it's parents taking kids, or parents buying the tickets and then leaving you to see it.

Maybe the meter have shifted since then. I don't know.

Sure, but there's no way in hell this movie would have gotten an R classification 30 years ago. Evil Dead 2 got an X, and it's arguably less graphic than Hellboy.

[Andrew NDB]

Sure, but there's no way in hell this movie would have gotten an R classification 30 years ago. Evil Dead 2 got an X, and it's arguably less graphic than Hellboy.

Nonsense. People graphically getting ripped in half with entrails and brains pouring out would have guaranteed an R, even in 1986.

[Powder]

I think he's saying it'd have a harder rating than R.

[Candy Kappa]

Nonsense. People graphically getting ripped in half with entrails and brains pouring out would have guaranteed an R, even in 1986.

X rating is over R in the MPAA film rating system, but got renamed/replaced with NC-17 rating

[Allio]

Oh no. It's bad, trust me. Maybe with another draft of the script and a different Bloodqueen actress it could have been something.

Also... this is absolutely true:

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/hellboy-inexcusably-terrible-because-studio-wanted-series-sequels-not-one-ncna994016

Come to think of it yes, a large portion of the movie is written and setup like the latest "The Mummy"... i.e., it's eye set on foreshadowing many movies to come, not at all a focus on making this movie good.

I mean outside of the enevitable sequel with the mid-credits/post credit, what sequel bait is there?

Granted my Hellboy lore isn't the greatest

[Leo656]

I saw it yesterday and dug it a lot. It's not a classic of modern cinema or anything but it's a perfectly serviceable action/gore film and from what I know of the books (which admittedly isn't a ton) it's extremely faithful to the source material.

I didn't think the CGI looked great either, but I'm on record as saying that to me ALL CGI looks like ass so I can either give every movie a hard time about it or just accept that people don't wanna work hard anymore and grade on a curve. I'm perfectly willing to meet them halfway and accept that they did what they could with the budget they were allowed.

Action was good, gore was well-done, the lore was well-represented... people saying it's "one of the worst CBMS ever made" are WAY off-base. I really do feel like that if there weren't two other films to compare it to, people wouldn't have such a hard time with it. I liked some things better than the Del Toro films, like where they went deeper into Hellboy's origins and such.

I know they probably won't get to do sequels, but I'd love it if they did. They certainly left the door wide open for it. I thought it was Perfectly Fine.

[ProactiveMan]

I think he's saying it'd have a harder rating than R.

Yeah, that is what I was trying to say. If Hellboy came out in the 80s, it would be unrated.

That's more-or-less what happened here in Australia. Hellboy was classified R18+ by the OFLC, which means no one under 18 can watch it even under parental supervision. The studio appealed to have it downgraded to MA15+ but they were unsuccessful. R18+ is box office poison, especially for a movie about goblins and fairies.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, that is what I was trying to say. If Hellboy came out in the 80s, it would be unrated.

No way. "Day of the Dead" had more guts and in longer, extended shots than this... and that was 1985.

[ProactiveMan]

No way. "Day of the Dead" had more guts and in longer, extended shots than this... and that was 1985.

Day of the Dead was Unrated wasn't it?

[Autbot_Benz]

Saw the movie the critics were way to harsh on it. Its not great but its not terrible. I still prefer the Del Toro Movies. David's Harbor was way to whiny and bitchy. Like grow a pair and shut up. Lacks the gravitas of Perlman's Hellboy. I loved ben daimio and Lobster Johnson. Also this movie gets Prof. Broom terribly wrong.

also the ending with Kickstart my heart by Motley Crue was awesome.

[joe-eyeball]

Saw the movie the critics were way to harsh on it. Its not great but its not terrible. I still prefer the Del Toro Movies. David's Harbor was way to whiny and bitchy. Like grow a pair and shut up. Lacks the gravitas of Perlman's Hellboy. I loved ben daimio and Lobster Johnson. Also this movie gets Prof. Broom terribly wrong.

also the ending with Kickstart my heart by Motley Crue was awesome.

Exactly! I agree with your assessment of the movie. The ending with kickstart my heart was awesome and is probably the tone they should have going for throughout the whole movie. If they would have actually paired that tone along with humor that worked it would’ve been a great flick!

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I didn't feel like creating a new thread, but I've been powering through the Hellboy comics.

At this point, I'm ready to get to "Hellboy in Hell." The story is very decompressed, with a lot of "slice of life" stuff. Very akin to Mirage TMNT or Usagi.

I myself prefer a little tighter focus, but it's pretty good.

[Leo656]

I really ought to pick up a few trades one of these days.

[The Deadman]

So I marathoned the Hellboy movies this week and I figured I'd give a quick rating of worst to best.

3. Hellboy II: The Golden Army
2. Hellboy (2019)
1. Hellboy (2004)

Golden Army had me falling asleep and looking at my phone a few times throughout, it definitely didn't hold a charm to the first and while the reboot flopped, it felt more like a horror movie than the original, which was good enough for me.