DC/WB Confirm ''The Flash: Flashpoint'' Movie

[ZariusTwo]

Just happened at the Warner Bros. Comic-Con panel.

Warner Bros. flashed several in-development films on the screen at their panel, including Shazam! Suicide Squad 2, The Batman, Justice League Dark, Batgirl, Green Lantern Corps and The Flash: Flashpoint, presumably based on the 2011 Geoff Johns DC Comics event story.

https://www.newsarama.com/35568-warner-bros-announces-dc-flashpoint-movie.html

DCCU getting Rebirthed

[CyberCubed]

Keep Wonder Woman, axe everyone else, except maybe Flash who is causing all this. That's the only thing I can see them doing. No way will they recast Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman anytime soon.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Flashpoint? Not surprised.

[TurtleTitan97]

Figures they'd use that storyline to soft reboot the mess the DCEU has become.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Figures they'd use that storyline to soft reboot the mess the DCEU has become.

I really don't see them doing any major rewrites with it. I mean, do we honestly expect them to swap in a different actor for Superman or something?

[mrmaczaps]

Keep the actors for the most recent films... recast GL/Hal Jordan and boot Cyborg to the Titans tk make room for Martian Manhunter, aka the heart and soul of the Justice League.

[Andrew NDB]

A Flashpoint movie? Ugh! That was a horrible comic. Geoff Johns' hands are all over this, all right.

[mrmaczaps]

A Flashpoint movie? Ugh! That was a horrible comic. Geoff Johns' hands are all over this, all right.

Flashpoint as an idea works much better if they had used Wally West as he was always shown to be more impulsive and a bit selfish at times, always chasing Linda... verse Barry always giving his all for everyone else... but thats Johns for ya...

[Turo602]

I hope this means we get to see Jeffrey Dean Morgan as Batman.

[Katie]

I don't think they're using flashpoint to "reboot" anything. Maybe there will be some little situational changes, but the actors will remain the same.

Right now I'm liking the DC movies better than the Marvel movies, so I'm loking forward to this one :)

[mrmaczaps]

I am a Superman fan but I haven't liked any of the Super flicks.. Returns was a wuss & stalkerish... MoS & BvS he was too dark & batmanish... plus no Clark Kent, really... his supporting cast as Kent was weak... Cavill is fine as far as looks go, he nails the part...

Batfleck was fine other than going older with him being around a while...

Wonder Woman was near perfect.

Not sold on the actor playing the Flash... and that armor costume is horrendous.

And I've never cared for Cyborg at all and I like him even less being part of the League. He always fit best as a Titan. Taking Martian manhunter out of the League has always felt wrong to me...

Actually looking forward to the actor playing Aquaman... he was in Star Gate Atlantis, I think...

Marvel is easier for me to enjoy because I'm not a fan of the comics so tweaking the characters character doesn't bother me. If they get someone wrong from how they have been for 50 years, its no big deal. In my 30 some odd years of collecting, I've managed to amass about 50 yesrs of DC books so getting Superman 80% wrong as they have, its annoying...

But you are allowed to enjoy it if you want... :) Just not my cup of tea... but I will still see the movie and hope it does well.

[CyberCubed]

I think it would be funny if only Superman is recast.

[TigerClaw]

I think it's interesting that the first Flash movie we are getting, is based on Flashpoint, they can do all sorts of interesting stuff to twist the DCEU with the Flash screwing around with the timeline, then having to fix it.

[mrmaczaps]

I think it would be funny if only Superman is recast.

What if they just have Brandon Routh pop over for a bit part back in the duds? :lol:

Or John Wesley Shipp (know I didn't spell his name right) for a bit part as Barry Allen whose dead bro was Jay Allen...? Or Dean Cain shows up as Clark Kent? :lol:

Any number of clips could get used... both Green Arrows from Arrow & Smallville...

Or Smallville's Aquaman...

[Coola Yagami]

Let's just announce a bunch of random crazy **** that we may or may never make... and whatever garners the most positive audience reaction.... THAT'S the one we'll actually start working on.

[Andrew NDB]

I can't even begin to point out how stupid this is. Really, WB? They begin their DCEU with "The Dark Knight Returns" and "The Death of Superman" (???)... and now for an encore they want to begin their Flash franchise with "Flashpoint"?

wtf...

[ToTheNines]

I can't even begin to point out how stupid this is. Really, WB? They begin their DCEU with "The Dark Knight Returns" and "The Death of Superman" (???)... and now for an encore they want to begin their Flash franchise with "Flashpoint"?

wtf...

It's mind blowing. Betcha the GL movie is a Rebirth adaption. Written by...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b0/Green_Lantern-Rebirth_%28collection%29.png

[sdp]

I guess the subtitle for Justice League Part 2 is going to be: Crisis on Infinite Earths. Wait is JL part 2 even happening any more? Now that I think about it I haven't read anything about it and this one is just being promoted as THE Justice League movie, part 2 was supposed to come out only a few months later no?

[Andrew NDB]

Wait is JL part 2 even happening any more?

That was axed like almost 2 years ago, I think.

[NinjaPug]

WB hired new directors AFTER Ben Affleck turned them down. So much for Zemeckis directing this.

http://variety.com/2018/dirt/news/flash-movie-directors-john-francis-daley-jonathan-goldstein-1202665854/amp/

[TigerClaw]

WB hired new directors AFTER Ben Affleck turned them down. So much for Zemeckis directing this.

http://variety.com/2018/dirt/news/flash-movie-directors-john-francis-daley-jonathan-goldstein-1202665854/amp/
seems like the Flashpoint movie is gonna more comedic, the Flashpoint Paradox animated DC movie was pretty dark.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

WB hired new directors AFTER Ben Affleck turned them down. So much for Zemeckis directing this.

http://variety.com/2018/dirt/news/flash-movie-directors-john-francis-daley-jonathan-goldstein-1202665854/amp/

By this point, I'M probably in the running to direct this movie... :tlol:

[Vegita-San]

seems like the Flashpoint movie is gonna more comedic, the Flashpoint Paradox animated DC movie was pretty dark.

it was hilariously dark.

everyone dies and acts totally out of character and is really unlikable.. the beginning of the snyder verse!

[LeotheLateBloomer]

This is a movie that will not help the DCEU in any way, shape, or form. This is not the type of course-correcting it needs!

[Andrew NDB]

It is the worst thing imaginable at this point, honestly. The very last thing the DCEU needs is a terrible Geoff Johns story (keep in mind, it birthed the "New52" which the last two or whatever years of "Rebirth" has been trying to delicately undo in the comics) to try and save it.

I mean, Jesus christ... just do a great Flash movie. There is a million awesome stories to choose from. I'd mine from the Mark Waid stuff and stay far, far away from the Geoff Johns material.

[Andrew NDB]

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/aquaman/aquaman-test-screening-reportedly-took-place-at-warner-bros-today-and-we-have-a-first-reaction-a158071

So the movie screened and got some positive reactions today... at WB itself. I can't imagine how this got "leaked"...

[TigerClaw]

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/aquaman/aquaman-test-screening-reportedly-took-place-at-warner-bros-today-and-we-have-a-first-reaction-a158071

So the movie screened and got some positive reactions today... at WB itself. I can't imagine how this got "leaked"...
Wrong thread. That's for the Aquaman movie.

[ranger_scout]

John Francis Daley and Jonathan Goldstein announced that they will be directing the film.

http://comicbook.com/dc/2018/03/03/flashpoint-directors-officially-confirmed/

[Andrew NDB]

https://www.cbr.com/the-flashs-solo-movie-will-not-be-titled-flashpoint/?utm_source=CBR-FB-P&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&view=list

It's no longer "Flashpoint."

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

https://www.cbr.com/the-flashs-solo-movie-will-not-be-titled-flashpoint/?utm_source=CBR-FB-P&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&view=list

It's no longer "Flashpoint."

That's probably for the best...

[Andrew NDB]

That's probably for the best...

Oh, god yes. I'd say, "maybe things are looking up for The Flash movie!" But...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!

[ZariusTwo]

They already have an animated movie with "Flashpoint" in the title, and one episode of the TV show is called "Flashpoint", so maybe they just didn't want to oversaturate (or confound) the market with the same title constantly used.

[Vegita-San]

the animated movie was horrible.
another dark depressing super hero story.

flash is supposed to be a light hearted hero. not batman.

[ZariusTwo]

the animated movie was horrible.
another dark depressing super hero story.

flash is supposed to be a light hearted hero. not batman.

Precisely why I no longer collect the Flash comics...they're making Barry too much of a loser who annoys everyone (even Iris...IRIS)

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I think the one thing WB/DC can and should do to win back goodwill and interest is to announce a single vision leader, (e.g. their own Kevin Feige) who will be charting the overall plan, theme, and vision for their DC Cinematic Universe.

That doesn't mean they have to do Phases, or build to Justice League 2, 3, and 4, or have end credit scenes that reference each other.

Just someone respected and knowledgeable about the characters and stories, as well as film-making, who can guide the ship. Or, if you can't find one person who has both the film and comics cred, two people working closely together as a team.

Then give them a few months to come up with a first pass plan for the next 3-4 years, announce it, and then commit to it. Don't waver from it if one film is poorly received, keep doing the thing.

[Coola Yagami]

I think the one thing WB/DC can and should do to win back goodwill and interest is to announce a single vision leader, (e.g. their own Kevin Feige) who will be charting the overall plan, theme, and vision for their DC Cinematic Universe.

That doesn't mean they have to do Phases, or build to Justice League 2, 3, and 4, or have end credit scenes that reference each other.

Just someone respected and knowledgeable about the characters and stories, as well as film-making, who can guide the ship. Or, if you can't find one person who has both the film and comics cred, two people working closely together as a team.

Then give them a few months to come up with a first pass plan for the next 3-4 years, announce it, and then commit to it. Don't waver from it if one film is poorly received, keep doing the thing.

They messed up the characterization of Superman and whatnot, the only way to truly fix it is to do a clean slate.

They got their big Justice League movie out. They accomplished their mission. Too bad it sucked. Time to close shop and hand the keys over to someine else, hopefully someone that actually understands the characters and isn't afraid to take risks beyond WB's mandates.

[Andrew NDB]

They already have an animated movie with "Flashpoint" in the title, and one episode of the TV show is called "Flashpoint"

I wonder who could possibly be responsible for such a thing...

http://www.thegreenlanterncorps.com/godfather.jpg

[TigerClaw]

https://www.cbr.com/the-flashs-solo-movie-will-not-be-titled-flashpoint/?utm_source=CBR-FB-P&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&view=list

It's no longer "Flashpoint."
It might still be the Flashpoint story. just not called Flashpoint.
https://twitter.com/Borys_Kit/status/981236347452014592
I didn't say they weren't adapting Flashpoint. All I said was that it wouldn't be titled Flashpoint. But maybe I've said too much.

[Leo656]

They messed up the characterization of Superman

You have never read a comic book. Stop.

[Krutch]

Just flush this whole universe down the toilet already.

[Coola Yagami]

You have never read a comic book. Stop.

Wasn't Superman the light to Batman's dark? He might occasionally brood nowadays since everyone nowadays has to be as miserable as the reader or else 'they can't relate', but he isn't known for brooding. The contrast of light and dark is what made Superman and Batman work. Making Superman dark in the movies already threw things off.

[Leo656]

That's one overly-simplified "explanation" of their relationship out of many that exist. It hardly says everything about "why they work", nor does it give either of them enough credit.

It also doesn't account for the fact that they've been paired up in the comics since the 1940s, and yet Batman has only been "the dark one" since the mid-80s. Or that the whole "They're polar opposites!" (false) idea people like to subscribe to is even more recent than that.

Point being, "One is Light, One is Dark" may be easy to digest, but it's an oversimplification. As for what one viewer sees as "brooding", others will see as "Reacting realistically to the situations a character finds themselves in." In any case, the version of Superman appearing in the recent films has already been the standard in comic books for longer than you or I have been alive, so, that makes it valid in my eyes.

This really doesn't belong in this thread; I just have a chip in my head that sets off an alarm whenever people make false or misleading claims about the Superman character. They told me I'd regret it, but eh.

I'm not going to continue this conversation with you here, and my PM box is full, but I wouldn't be averse to speaking with you elsewhere, if you wish. Pretty sure you know where to find me. The caveat being, you actually want to have a serious conversation. Otherwise, I'm too busy.

[Andrew NDB]

It also doesn't account for the fact that they've been paired up in the comics since the 1940s, and yet Batman has only been "the dark one" since the mid-80s. Or that the whole "They're polar opposites!" (false) idea people like to subscribe to is even more recent than that.

That's not a bad point, really. Though I'm sure many would rush to point out Batman was shooting criminals dead even in his first issues. I don't think it's unfair to say that, "Batman has always been darker than Superman," even though they're certainly not polar opposites.

They're polar opposites in terms of powers and abilities. Superman just happens to be superhuman and invulnerable because of DNA... Batman spent years training himself and spending untold millions to equip himself to give him an edge.

[ZariusTwo]

Buried within this Supergirl movie announcement article

Starting production in February will be The Flash starring Ezra Miller, with Jonathan Goldstein & John Francis Daley (Game Night) directing.

https://deadline.com/2018/08/supergirl-movie-warner-bros-dc-comics-universe-oren-uziel-script-superman-1202440687/

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Buried within this Supergirl movie announcement article

https://deadline.com/2018/08/supergirl-movie-warner-bros-dc-comics-universe-oren-uziel-script-superman-1202440687/

Be still my beating heart. :trolleye:

[ZariusTwo]

Production won't start this year, here's "hoping" for 2019

https://www.newsarama.com/41596-flash-movie-still-happening-but-filming-on-hold-until-at-least-2019-according-to-key-actor.html

[Coola Yagami]

Production won't start this year, here's "hoping" for 2019

https://www.newsarama.com/41596-flash-movie-still-happening-but-filming-on-hold-until-at-least-2019-according-to-key-actor.html

Here's hoping for never.

[Vegita-San]

yeah. we already got a dark batman like animated flash movie, flashpoint, that was horrible and depressing and pointless.

no more ruining other dc characters, dc.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'll be interested in a Flash movie when they recast and get rid of Ezra Miller. He's a fine actor, I guess, but I hated his take on the Flash.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah. There's zero reason to get excited about a Flash movie with a Barry Allen who is nothing remotely like Barry Allen... either in appearance or anything else.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Yeah. There's zero reason to get excited about a Flash movie with a Barry Allen who is nothing remotely like Barry Allen... either in appearance or anything else.

At least it gives autistic kids a hero on the spectrum to relate to.

That's not an insult, I'm damned serious. I think that's what Zack Snyder was going for with that.

[Andrew NDB]

Ezra says it's still happening.

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/the_flash/ezra-miller-says-a-crazy-dope-flash-movie-is-still-happening-even-though-its-running-late-a164781

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Ezra says it's still happening.

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/the_flash/ezra-miller-says-a-crazy-dope-flash-movie-is-still-happening-even-though-its-running-late-a164781

Uh huh.

Unfortunately, he's probably right. :tlol:

[ZariusTwo]

Ezra is now writing a script with the help of Grant Morrison

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/flash-shocker-ezra-miller-writing-script-bid-star-1194937

[Andrew NDB]

Ezra is now writing a script with the help of Grant Morrison

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/flash-shocker-ezra-miller-writing-script-bid-star-1194937

I love Grant Morrison. But that Ezra himself is telling the media he is writing his own script... means this thing is dead.

[Sumac]

I am writing my own script...on a napkin. Surely someday it will be a movie! Just you wait!

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I love Grant Morrison. But that Ezra himself is telling the media he is writing his own script... means this thing is dead.

Good. Recast. Ezra Miller was a terrible Flash.

[Andrew NDB]

Good. Recast. Ezra Miller was a terrible Flash.

Yeah, if they're not even worried about recasting Batman... Flash is fair fu**ing game.

[MikeandRaph87]

The only ones safe are Gal Godot and Jason Momoa. Batman is used to cast change, Superman to an existent. Good to see DC"s #3 and #4 picking up steam among the general public.

[AquaParade]

Yeah, this sounds like something I’d love, but I don’t count on it being filmed.

I know there are much less capable people who have worked on the scripts for movies I’ve loved. So as a fan of both Grant Morrison and Ezra Miller’s flash, I think this sounds really cool.

[Andrew NDB]

Dumb article saying that the Ezra Miller Flash movie will start filming as soon as he is done with the "Fantastic Beasts series." Last I checked there were still 3 movies left in that... so he'll be filming "Flash" sometime around 2030, basically? Probably they just googled some random article with old Flash movie "news."

http://www.darkhorizons.com/ezra-millers-flash-wont-shoot-for-a-while/

I admit, I will be very pissed if they soldier on with an Ezra Miller Flash movie while recasting Batman from Ben Affleck and soft-rebooting that. Flash needed that treatment WAY more than Affleck/Batman.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Dumb article saying that the Ezra Miller Flash movie will start filming as soon as he is done with the "Fantastic Beasts series." Last I checked there were still 3 movies left in that... so he'll be filming "Flash" sometime around 2030, basically? Probably they just googled some random article with old Flash movie "news."

http://www.darkhorizons.com/ezra-millers-flash-wont-shoot-for-a-while/

I admit, I will be very pissed if they soldier on with an Ezra Miller Flash movie while recasting Batman from Ben Affleck and soft-rebooting that. Flash needed that treatment WAY more than Affleck/Batman.

Definitely. Miller is a terrible Flash. not sure that it's his fault, or Snyder's fault for the direction of the character, but Miller as Flash in Justice League was terrible.

Recast.

[ZariusTwo]

The director/writers John Francis Daley and Jonathan Goldstein have departed the project. Talks are now ongoing with Christina Hodson (Bumblebee, Birds of Prey) to write the script, while IT director Andy Muschietti has been approached to helm the movie, with his sister Barbara Muschietti, producing

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/it-director-andy-muschietti-direct-flash-movie-1216021

Ezra remains with the project

[Andrew NDB]

Ezra remains with the project

https://media.giphy.com/media/GioZQ0gbZc93i/giphy.gif

[MikeandRaph87]

I concur with Andrew.

How many will see actual production? Wonder Woman sequel and Joker are wrapped. Aquaman sequel and Birds of Prey? Cannot get interested outside the Aquaman sequel though will likely see WW sequel even if not hyped up for it.

[ZariusTwo]

Andy Muschietti is stepping in to direct

https://www.fandango.com/movie-news/director-andy-muschietti-describes-the-flash-as-a-beautiful-human-story-753876?cmp=TWFD_News_TheFlash&cjid=cj_11657940_6148625_jzx1v7whhl000a71001nr&cjevent=c84a716aca8e11e9823a00ed0a18050d

[Andrew NDB]

Andy Muschietti is stepping in to direct

https://www.fandango.com/movie-news/director-andy-muschietti-describes-the-flash-as-a-beautiful-human-story-753876?cmp=TWFD_News_TheFlash&cjid=cj_11657940_6148625_jzx1v7whhl000a71001nr&cjevent=c84a716aca8e11e9823a00ed0a18050d

Interesting. And it seems like the interviewer is just assuming Ezra Miller will be returning, they don't actually ask the guy. Last we heard he was done with the part (thankfully).

[AquaParade]

Interesting. And it seems like the interviewer is just assuming Ezra Miller will be returning, they don't actually ask the guy. Last we heard he was done with the part (thankfully).

Just last week, Ezra said mentioned Flash in a list of “confirmed” projects he is a part of. Could just be PR, as we have seen from Ben Affleck before he left the role of Batman, but that is the stance he is taking currently.

[Autbot_Benz]

DiscussingFilm
@DiscussingFilm
Andy Muschietti has said that ‘THE FLASH’ film will focus on a “different version of Flashpoint than you’re expecting.”

[ZariusTwo]

DiscussingFilm
@DiscussingFilm
Andy Muschietti has said that ‘THE FLASH’ film will focus on a “different version of Flashpoint than you’re expecting.”

Well, the tv series version was already different from the comic and animated movie (itself a bit different) so what does that really tell us?

[Andrew NDB]

Uh oh... Leonard Thawne is a woman?

https://cosmicbook.news/flashpoint-reverse-flash-female

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Uh oh... Leonard Thawne is a woman?

https://cosmicbook.news/flashpoint-reverse-flash-female

Pffft. As if.

Next you'll be telling me Harley Quinn organizes the Birds of Prey. Or that Cassie Cain is a pudgy preteen with no fighting skills.

[Autbot_Benz]

Uh oh... Leonard Thawne is a woman?

https://cosmicbook.news/flashpoint-reverse-flash-female

yuck cosmicbook.news is just as bad as wegotthiscovered nothing but clickbait

[Andrew NDB]

yuck cosmicbook.news is just as bad as wegotthiscovered nothing but clickbait

Not as bad. Very... colored, but he generally has citations.

[oldmanwinters]

I had really thought they pulled the plug on all this years ago.

[ZariusTwo]

Film was due to start pre-production next month, covid crisis has put a stop to that

https://screenrant.com/flash-movie-filming-start-2020-delay-eunice-huthart/

[Papenbrook]

Ezra Miller just choked a fan. (https://www.thedailybeast.com/ezra-miller-appears-to-choke-woman-in-alarming-video) Disgusting.

I wonder what will happen to the Flashpoint movie.

[Redeemer]

Ezra Miller just choked a fan. (https://www.thedailybeast.com/ezra-miller-appears-to-choke-woman-in-alarming-video) Disgusting.

I wonder what will happen to the Flashpoint movie.

What the hell is wrong with you???? seriously???? You are literally trying to instigate and start crap at this point. The article clearly states that is appeared to be a prank. In the video the girl is laughing and smiling during the entire event and she appears to softly go down to the ground while still laughing. Like seriously what are trying to achieve by posting this????

[Papenbrook]

Even if it was a "joke", it was clearly in poor taste.

We are in a post-#MeToo era. People should take violence/assault against women seriously,
whether the perpetrator be a beloved celebrity or not.

I hope that Warner Bros. takes swift action against Miller. What they did was clearly NOT acceptable, on ANY grounds.

[Sumac]

Even if it was a "joke", it was clearly in poor taste.
I think it should be decided by Ezra and his "victim". Not by a triggered snowflake.

We are in a post-"#MeToo" era. People should take violence/assault against women seriously,
whether the perpetrator be a beloved celebrity or not.
You are laughable as well as #MeToo, which proved to be ineffective and has become a witch hunt for so called "feminists" and blue checkmark losers who desire blood of random people to win at least at something in their pathetic worthless lives.

[AquaParade]

Always wait for full context in a situation such as this. And at the least, let Ezra have a say.

I have no dog in the fight and don't care a Christmas Ham's worth for Ezra Miller, but I've seen early judgement play out too many times, especially lately. Just hold your horses, everyone.
If Ezra is truly an asshole, they will get the spanking people want to see.

[Andrew NDB]

Completely unrelated, but I just had the thought... you know Alan Ritchson, who played Raphael in those fake Turtles movies? He would be a dead-on choice for a real Barry Allen.

https://i.ibb.co/Xx3KJzC/barry.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/NWTBnsG/alan.jpg

[oldmanwinters]

Completely unrelated, but I just had the thought... you know Alan Ritchson, who played Raphael in those fake Turtles movies? He would be a dead-on choice for a real Barry Allen.

https://i.ibb.co/Xx3KJzC/barry.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/NWTBnsG/alan.jpg

The spitting image!

[Redeemer]

Even if it was a "joke", it was clearly in poor taste.

We are in a post-#MeToo era. People should take violence/assault against women seriously,
whether the perpetrator be a beloved celebrity or not.

I hope that Warner Bros. takes swift action against Miller. What they did was clearly NOT acceptable, on ANY grounds.
Says who you????? Who made you judge?? It literally appears to be them just horsing around. If they were condoning violence then it would be a problem, But it is literally them joking around. You are literally trying to create a problem out of nothing. You purposely and completely twisted the incident. You insinuated that he choked someone out. You are the one who is being disgusting comparing this to actual violence.

I think it should be decided by Ezra and his "victim".

I agree that if there is an actual grievance the "victim" should be the one to decide whether or not she was victimized not a random person online trying to create drama.

[Papenbrook]

Even if the woman was joking, Ezra clearly took it WAY too far.

The person filming says, "Woah, bro. Bro ...", as Miller pins her to the ground. Afterwards, the camera pans away from the incident. As they were escorted off the premises ( by law enforcement ), Miller was reportedly "upset and angry" at the altercation. (https://www.google.com/amp/s/variety.com/2020/film/news/ezra-miller-throttling-woman-video-1234571800/amp/)

Does that not sound like they went too far?

[raph27]

Either way, it shouldn't have any effect on the Flash movie, since at this rate hell will freeze over before it starts filming.

[Leo656]

"The best thing you can do when you're on the road is stay in your hotel room. Never, ever go out. Absolutely nothing good can possibly happen to you when you go out. All you'll ever find is trouble."

- Stan Hansen (paraphrased from memory)

[ZariusTwo]

WB reportedly "ready to move forward" without Ezra. Not made official yet though.

https://www.screengeek.net/2020/04/15/ezra-miller-the-flash-future-rumor/

[Sumac]

And all it took to "choke" some random stranger...

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

At this point, does anyone even give a $hit about a Flash movie?

I just can't get excited about seeing WB/DC put Barry Allen on the big screen. As much as I grew to dislike (and ultimately stopped watching) the CW show, I don't see how any WB/DC film can be more successful or have a receptive audience.

But maybe I'm just jaded from knowing too much about the business and the source material? I know some people at work who really enjoyed the Harley Quinn movie; they don't know jack about Cassie Cain or Babs Gordon, so... ignorance is bliss?

[Andrew NDB]

And all it took to "choke" some random stranger...

Hey, whatever it takes. I'll take it. :)

[Autbot_Benz]

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https://twitter.com/Borys_Kit/status/1252289597167435776

THE FLASH moves from July 01, '22 to June 03, '22.

[AquaParade]

I really enjoyed his acting, to be honest. Pretty much the only thing I enjoyed about Justice League. Then he went and grabbed Grant Morrison to help flesh out the script for the Flash movie? Well I have to give him points for that.

That said, I can understand why they are moving forward without him. Especially now. And I have to admit, I have a bit of a sour taste in my mouth from everything I'm seeing about him, so I feel no pain. I really don't want to fall into the trap of judging people, but you know how it is.

[Sumac]

I liked him in Justice League, but if they replace him, well, no tears will be shed.

[Andrew NDB]

Then he went and grabbed Grant Morrison to help flesh out the script for the Flash movie? Well I have to give him points for that.

That was a couple of versions ago, so I doubt they're using any of it. Around the middle cycle of the "It's about Flashpoint," "it's not about Flashpoint," "it's about Flashpoint again" saga.

That said, I can understand why they are moving forward without him.

I just wish it was simply because he's a weirdo and unbelievably miscast for the role. And oh, they HAD to recast Batman but they want to keep Ezra? F*** that.

[ZariusTwo]

Iris West now being re-cast

https://screenrant.com/flash-movie-iris-west-recast-dceu/

[Andrew NDB]

It's not really a recast if she never actually showed up in the finished movie.

[ranger_scout]

Michael Keaton is in talks to reprise the role of Batman in the movie. :o

https://www.thewrap.com/batman-returns-michael-keaton-bruce-wayne-the-flash-movie/

[ZariusTwo]

Michael Keaton is in talks to reprise the role of Batman in the movie. :o

https://www.thewrap.com/batman-returns-michael-keaton-bruce-wayne-the-flash-movie/

That has to somehow lead into a cameo from Terry McGuiness...

[Zulithe]

I'm still expecting them to announce the departure of Ezra... I just don't see how they can move forward with him after that choking video. People will freak the **** out WB if they let that slide.

If it was just dark humor of some kind we should have seen some kind of calcification about it LONG ago, so being that we haven't, I'm assuming they weren't playing around.

[Leo656]

So... they're gonna make the movie copy the crummy CW mini-series and cram the entire concept into two hours before we've even really "met" or seen much of this Flash? Ohhhh-kay, that's certainly one thing they can do.

As usual, I feel like DC/WB is overreaching. We don't even know who "Movie Flash" really IS, yet - we haven't seen his origins on-screen, we know almost nothing about him as a person and if they have to recast Ezra Miller then that's even more cans of worms. I know they're in a rush to "soft reboot" everything, but I feel like it's a waste to cram ALL of that into the Very First Flash Movie, when that should entirely be about Barry, who he is, how he got his powers, how they work, etc. Keep in mind, this character's never even had ONE movie to himself, and now he's gonna be a "guest star" in his own flick while we revisit a bunch of stuff from older DC movies and TV shows just for the sake of 'Member Berries? Dumb.

Keaton would be a great cameo and I don't even hate the idea of this Multiverse exploration, but it's too much for the FIRST Flash movie, is all. Second one, or, preferably, the third one? Fine. More than fine. This is Too Soon to be going so "big", is all. Cavill's Superman had his own movie before they added Guest Stars. Wonder Woman's solo movie wasn't crammed with cameos. Aquaman, same thing. Let the Flash movie JUST be about The Flash before we relegate him to Supporting Cast, y'know?

Ideally, I'd have the first Flash movie be the origin and maybe have Zoom, but even that might be best saved until later. Plant seeds for the Rogues, maybe have some of the Generic Bad Guys he stops when he first gets his powers turn vengeful, get gimmicks and form a pact in the Mid-Credits scene. Second movie would be Rise of the Rogues. Third movie could be all the time travel/Multiverse stuff.

I'unno. I'm not against the idea, just the incredibly rushed and transparently desperate execution. But hey... WB. "Incredibly Rushed and Transparently Desperate" is literally ALL they know how to do.

A Keaton cameo would be a hell of a get, though. Just... geez, wait five f*cking minutes before jumping into the Time Travel/Parallel worlds stuff. Just because they did it on TV last year - poorly - doesn't mean we need to jump there in the movies with no set-up or context. Geez.

[Autbot_Benz]

Michael Keaton is in talks to reprise the role of Batman in the movie. :o

https://www.thewrap.com/batman-returns-michael-keaton-bruce-wayne-the-flash-movie/

As long as Ruby Rose's batwoman doesn't kill him by pushing him into a computer like she did Kevin Conroy's batman in Crisis on Infinite Earths I will be happy :lol:

Also
Borys Kit
@Borys_Kit
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If these talks make, sources say Keaton could end up playing Batman in a mentor capacity, a bit like Sam Jackson's Nick Fury, and appear in multiple movies. BATGIRL is one of the possible projects.

[AquaParade]

Keaton returning as Batman is beyond cool...on paper. If it ends up being just a glorified cameo, I'll catch it on Youtube. it's hard for me to think of how they could do something meaningful with his return in a Flash movie but I'm definitely open to the idea.

Now you have to wonder if if they also asked Ben and Christian, both who seem less likely to return at this point in time, imo.

[Leo656]

I think Ben would return If and Only If he was allowed to finish the story Zack laid out, which would have ended with him sacrificing himself to stop Darkseid. That entire angle was the only reason he signed on to the project to begin with, because it hadn't been done before and he found it too intriguing to pass up. Then WB got cold feet, changed the entire project, and then it was "just" Playing Batman, which was something he had to be talked into in the first place, it wasn't a huge career goal. He signed on for the Story, not the Character. So if he was allowed to complete the project he agreed to before the Bait-N-Switch, he might come back, but I don't see any other way.

Bale... I don't know. I would have said "never" based on his own outspokenness in the past, but he's doing MCU movies now so clearly he's aged out of the "I'm an artist and this is art" phase of his acting career and perfectly willing to just take a paycheck, now. Ten years ago, he passed on $20 million because he just didn't want to do it anymore. Now? Who knows. If he passed on $20 million for "Dark Knight 4" or whatever, I can't see why he'd take far less for a cameo nowadays. But again, obviously his priorities are different now than they were back then. So... maybe.

[AquaParade]

Yeah, I could see Ben coming back if the circumstances were perfect for him. He was passionate but the behind the scenes drama stamped out the flame. A lot has changed since then at WB, however.

Keaton just seemed most likely based on his reverence for his time with the character. Over the last few years he's been caught giving the "I am Batman" line while on camera. Playing flying creatures has never steered him wrong. Keaton is badass and I'd like to see him given a meaty role.

I can't imagine Christian coming back because I just don't know where his character could reasonably go. DKR felt like such a finish. I mean, you can always justify it for a paycheck, but I do think there is creative challenge there stacked on top of Christian's cost and creative decisions.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Yeah, I could see Ben coming back if the circumstances were perfect for him. He was passionate but the behind the scenes drama stamped out the flame. A lot has changed since then at WB, however.

Keaton just seemed most likely based on his reverence for his time with the character. Over the last few years he's been caught giving the "I am Batman" line while on camera. Playing flying creatures has never steered him wrong. Keaton is badass and I'd like to see him given a meaty role.

I can't imagine Christian coming back because I just don't know where his character could reasonably go. DKR felt like such a finish. I mean, you can always justify it for a paycheck, but I do think there is creative challenge there stacked on top of Christian's cost and creative decisions.

Whatever Batman actor they bring back, they're just gonna do like J Jonah Jameson in Spider-Man Far From Home.

"You loved him as this character! Completely different universe, same actor... don't think about it, just ENJOY."

Whatever.

[ranger_scout]

That has to somehow lead into a cameo from Terry McGuiness...

That was what I and many other people had suggested as a way for Affleck to depart the role. We wouldn't have had another Bruce Wayne and the iconic superhero would’ve continued to have been played by someone young.

[AquaParade]

Whatever Batman actor they bring back, they're just gonna do like J Jonah Jameson in Spider-Man Far From Home.

"You loved him as this character! Completely different universe, same actor... don't think about it, just ENJOY."

Whatever.

I think they may actually acknowledge that he is from the "Burton universe", but it could still just be a glorified cameo.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I think they may actually acknowledge that he is from the "Burton universe", but it could still just be a glorified cameo.

I don't know that doing so would actually have a ton of impact on the storyline.

But then, I still don't think this Flash movie will ever be made. :tlol:

Green Lantern Corps, Man of Steel 2, Cyborg, Nightwing, Batgirl, The Flash... the list of movies the DC/WB slate will never actually feature is longer than I care to type out.

[AquaParade]

I don't know that doing so would actually have a ton of impact on the storyline.

But then, I still don't think this Flash movie will ever be made. :tlol:

Green Lantern Corps, Man of Steel 2, Cyborg, Nightwing, Batgirl, The Flash... the list of movies the DC/WB slate will never actually feature is longer than I care to type out.

I actually don't think they would still be talking about it if they weren't serious about making it happen. There is a different team in charge now. The return of the Snyder Cut cements that, imo. This is anti-Previous WB/DC.

It will take them a while to turn their reputation around so no one can blame you for saying that.

And I agree that just mentioning that Keaton comes from a specific universe would not add to the experience. Although, it could be cool to return to that universe with The Flash, perhaps even with Burton's input. I still think a "cameo" of this caliber should resonate on a story-level, but if you can do that, while also showing Burton's Batmobile on the big screen again, you've impressed me.

[Leo656]

I know for a fact that a Flash movie WILL be made eventually. He's by far one of DC's best characters and there's tons of fertile ground to explore. Green Lantern, same thing. WB has reasons to be gun-shy about either, but they WILL happen.

My anger is based on the fact that this isn't going to be a "Flash Movie". It's just WB wanting their own "Days Of Future Past", soft-reboot, "The stuff you liked still counts but the stuff you didn't like, just shrug and pretend it never happened, it doesn't make ANY sense at all but we're trying to have our cake and eat it too" movie. Flash isn't a character, within the context of this project, he's merely the vehicle. And he deserves a LOT better than that for the First Flash Movie Ever Made.

If you didn't know any better, you'd swear that all Flash ever did was travel through time and facilitate retcons and reboots through same, based on how they've used the character in the last few years across various media. When in truth the time-travel and Multiverse stuff is some serious endgame-level sh*t that generally only happens in the comics during extreme event circumstances. It's not ALL he does and those stories are rare. You want to make the Very First Movie hinge entirely on a plot device which rarely ever even happens in the Flash comics, and cram it full of "Elseworlds" cameos so that this guy can be a guest-star in his own coming-out party? What crack are you smokin', WB?

Where's the time spent on who "Barry Allen" is? The relationship development with Iris? The mentorship with Wally? The Rogues? ALL of that stuff is a thousand percent more relevant to Flash than time travel and alternate Earths. "We're not doing Characters and Stories, we're doing Spectacle." What else is f*cking new, you idiots? :roll:

Again, you do this stuff in Movie #3, all those problems go away. It's just a terrible way to do The Very First Flash Movie.

[sdp]

Make Batman Beyond instead

[neatoman]

Make Batman Beyond instead

I agree with that, although it might be weird to have a Batman movie directly based on one of the cartoons instead of the comics.

[sdp]

Beyond is super popular despite only having one animated series, it just worked. What have comics done interesting lately? If they go to the trouble of getting Keaton give us an old Bruce in a Batman Beyond movie instead.

The only cool thing about this is that DC has successfully linked all their live action shows with crisis on the CW shows, so hell yeah, have fun with the multiverse, it's the only thing DC can now do now that they messed up their cinematic universe, play around their multiverse is one way.

[Autbot_Benz]

They go on to explain that this new reality is protected by Keaton's version of Batman, and both Batman Forever and Batman & Robin will be forgotten about, with The Flash revealing what this Dark Knight has been up to in the thirty years since we last saw him face The Penguin in Batman Returns.

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/the_flash/the-flash-plot-details-reveal-how-michael-keatons-batman-returns-and-flashpoint-inspiration-a176238

[Andrew NDB]

Nope, stupid Flash movie. You won't trick me. Casting Keaton is not going to make me forget you have Ezra Miller as a FAKE Barry Allen in a movie nobody wants.

[ranger_scout]

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/the_flash/the-flash-plot-details-reveal-how-michael-keatons-batman-returns-and-flashpoint-inspiration-a176238

Sounds like they are trying to do what 2006's Superman Returns did, which was an homage sequel to Superman and Superman II. That movie didn't acknowledge the events of Superman III, Supergirl, and Superman IV: The Quest for Peace .

[ranger_scout]

Ben Affleck is back! :o It will only be a cameo though. Michael Keaton's Batman will have a bigger role.

https://deadline.com/2020/08/ben-affleck-to-return-as-batman-in-upcoming-flash-movie-1203018972/

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Ben Affleck is back! :o It will only be a cameo though. Michael Keaton?s Batman will have a bigger role.

https://deadline.com/2020/08/ben-affleck-to-return-as-batman-in-upcoming-flash-movie-1203018972/

Didn't see THAT coming. Well well...

[Leo656]

I'm always happy to get more of my favorite Batman, but this project just feels like it's over-stuffed. Less of a "Flash" movie and more of a "Guidebook to the DC Multiverse" where people watching can play "Spot The Cameo". And that's not what I wanted or hoped would be the first-ever Flash movie. :ohwell:

It is what it is, at this point, so I guess all we can hope for is that the cameos are entertaining and the time travel/parallel realities stuff isn't exhausting. They're missing an opportunity to do something great in a "real" Flash movie, but it's whatever, now. It'll barely even be a "movie" but hopefully at least it won't be lousy.

Stupid TV show cross-over. I knew when that happened (and people couldn't recognize how lousy it was) they couldn't resist the urge to try and do the same thing in movie form. Bah.

[ranger_scout]

It sounds like Warner Bros. and DC liked what Marvel and Sony did with Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse. They want to acknowledge that there are many different universes with Batman, but they are doing it in a Flash movie.

[ZariusTwo]

Jim Lee sure wasn't kidding when he said they'd be loads more Batman in DC's future...now it takes more Batman to get this hot/cold project PIPING hot

[Leo656]

Which sounds fine on paper but ultimately isn't the best way to "properly introduce" the Flash character for movie audiences. It's way too "big" for a debut film, and it's going to hurt any future films they do by leaving them nowhere to go with Flash.

If you lead right out of the gate with the whole bit about zipping across alternate timelines and dimensions in the Very First Story, that leaves the impression that's ALL the guy does, and thus every single Flash movie will have to be some riff on "Days of Future Past" just because THIS one is; anything "smaller" will feel like a waste of time.

Flash isn't all-about time travel, that's merely a Very Bad Plot Device used by very lazy writers who don't know what else to do with the character. At some point it was forgotten that he actually did, y'know, OTHER stuff, too. How much time of this movie are we gonna get to spend on Barry as a guy? As a police scientist? His relationship with Iris? Are we gonna get ANY of that? We still don't know much of anything about this Flash after JL, so are we gonna LEARN anything? Or is it all gonna be "Guy In A Red Suit Takes Us On A Giant DC Easter Egg Hunt"? I can't lie, I feel like it's the latter and that sounds dreadful. Like, absolutely awful.

Believe me, I 100% understand the business reasoning behind the creative decisions on this Flash movie project. I just think every one of those decisions is wrong, and is typical of WB not knowing how to do ANYTHING except "What're Those Other Guys Doing? Let's do that.... except worse."

I really, really love Flash and I always wanted a Flash movie. But I can't lie, all of this sounds desperate as hell. I think it'll be a fun Easter Egg hunt but just might be a terrible movie. :ohwell:

We'll see.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm always happy to get more of my favorite Batman, but this project just feels like it's over-stuffed. Less of a "Flash" movie and more of a "Guidebook to the DC Multiverse" where people watching can play "Spot The Cameo". And that's not what I wanted or hoped would be the first-ever Flash movie. :ohwell:

Flash isn't all-about time travel, that's merely a Very Bad Plot Device used by very lazy writers who don't know what else to do with the character. At some point it was forgotten that he actually did, y'know, OTHER stuff, too. How much time of this movie are we gonna get to spend on Barry as a guy? As a police scientist? His relationship with Iris? Are we gonna get ANY of that? We still don't know much of anything about this Flash after JL, so are we gonna LEARN anything? Or is it all gonna be "Guy In A Red Suit Takes Us On A Giant DC Easter Egg Hunt"? I can't lie, I feel like it's the latter and that sounds dreadful. Like, absolutely awful.

It is indeed desperate as hell. The worse this Flash movie sounds, the more sure I am that it will actually be made. :tlol:

A decent intro movie featuring Barry Allen, a complete supporting cast, and some good villains like the Rogues? Too logical.

One Flash, TWO Batmans, and as many temporal paradoxes as we can cram into a 2 hour film? Greenlight that sucker!

The only logical excuse I can find for NOT doing a standard Flash debut movie is Warner Brothers thinks nobody needs a debut movie because everyone is familiar with him from the CW show.

[Leo656]

I agree that's the logic, it's just not very... "logical". It's a known and proven fact that more people will go watch a movie than will ever watch the same thing on TV. There's a way of thinking among some people that movies carry a "credibility" that TV shows lack, for whatever reason. I don't fully understand it, and I find it to be a very ignorant way of looking at things, but it's true nonetheless. "If ____ was so good, how come it isn't a movie by now?" just happens to be the way a lot of people think, and a movie of something like "Flash" would likely do more to encourage people who've never seen the character before to work backwards in checking out the TV show and comics, than it would in reverse. People going in "cold" to a movie generally enjoy it more, while people who already know a character from comics and/or TV are generally counting the inconsistencies too much to be able to have as much "pure fun" with it.

So, WB's "method" is flawed, here. Most of the movie audience wouldn't have watched the TV show, and the ones who DID watch the show already hate Ezra's Flash and wish it was the TV guy, so they're already not going to be fair to the movie anyways. The audience who knows what's going on isn't going to be as engaged with the movie, and people coming into Flash as a character for the first time won't know what the hell is going on.

Sigh.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I agree that's the logic, it's just not very... "logical". It's a known and proven fact that more people will go watch a movie than will ever watch the same thing on TV. There's a way of thinking among some people that movies carry a "credibility" that TV shows lack, for whatever reason. I don't fully understand it, and I find it to be a very ignorant way of looking at things, but it's true nonetheless. "If ____ was so good, how come it isn't a movie by now?" just happens to be the way a lot of people think, and a movie of something like "Flash" would likely do more to encourage people who've never seen the character before to work backwards in checking out the TV show and comics, than it would in reverse. People going in "cold" to a movie generally enjoy it more, while people who already know a character from comics and/or TV are generally counting the inconsistencies too much to be able to have as much "pure fun" with it.

So, WB's "method" is flawed, here. Most of the movie audience wouldn't have watched the TV show, and the ones who DID watch the show already hate Ezra's Flash and wish it was the TV guy, so they're already not going to be fair to the movie anyways. The audience who knows what's going on isn't going to be as engaged with the movie, and people coming into Flash as a character for the first time won't know what the hell is going on.

Sigh.

You said it.

On the plus side, though, Wonder Woman in the '80s! Where everything is cool and groovy! Fighting THE MAN! :tlol:

[AquaParade]

Awesome. Don't care much about seeing him in a cameo role but I love that the door seems open to the possibility of him directing his own HBO mini-series or something.

[ranger_scout]

Here's what Andy Muschietti said about Affleck's return. He also said that Keaton's part will indeed be "substantial".


He's a very substantial part of the emotional impact of the movie. The interaction and relationship between Barry and Affleck?s Wayne will bring an emotional level that we haven?t seen before. It's Barry's movie, it's Barry's story, but their characters are more related than we think. They both lost their mothers to murder, and that's one of the emotional vessels of the movie. That's where the Affleck Batman kicks in.

This movie is a bit of a hinge in the sense that it presents a story that implies a unified universe where all the cinematic iterations that we've seen before are valid, Muschietti said. It's inclusive in the sense that it is saying all that you've seen exists, and everything that you will see exists, in the same unified multiverse.

https://ew.com/movies/ben-affleck-batman-the-flash-movie/

[AquaParade]

Even though Keaton was my first live-action Batman and I love him in the role, I've spent way more time with Bale's Batman. He's my Batman. If they can enlist him in this multiverse someday, I'd love to see it. He is doing an MCU film, so he seems to be in the phase of his career where he is down to have some light fun and get paid. Could happen one day.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I think the multiverse concept is one of the worst tropes for comic book movies to adopt. It's just an excuse for lazy storytelling.

"Hey, remember that Batman you loved? You still love him! You'll even watch a Flash movie for him!"

"Hey, remember how much you loved Ian McKellan and Patrick Stewart in X-Men? Here they are again, now with more Jennifer Lawrence!"

[Shark_Blade]

Yes the best Batman is returning! Batfleck is coming back!

[sdp]

multiverse is really the only way for DC to salvage their cinematic universe without having to wait a decade and start all over, I'm glad they're doing it.

[Sumac]

So Batman multiverse, eh? Gimme that! Right into my veins!

[AquaParade]

I think the multiverse concept is one of the worst tropes for comic book movies to adopt. It's just an excuse for lazy storytelling.

"Hey, remember that Batman you loved? You still love him! You'll even watch a Flash movie for him!"

"Hey, remember how much you loved Ian McKellan and Patrick Stewart in X-Men? Here they are again, now with more Jennifer Lawrence!"

I think it will be exciting to see and create a lot of hype and joyous moments, but we'll all be dead sick of it three years from now.

[sdp]

Think they can get Christian Bale back?

[CyberCubed]

Kinda meh, movies don't need to be in a mutiverse, you can just reboot a movie line and nobody cares.

Nobody sat there when Batman Begins came out in 2005 thinking it had to be connected to any of the 90's Batman movies. People knew right away it was a reboot, so why do they have to do the same thing here?

The upcoming Matt Reeves Batman reboot doesn't need to be connected to any of the Synderverse stuff, multiverse or not.

[AquaParade]

Kinda meh, movies don't need to be in a mutiverse, you can just reboot a movie line and nobody cares.

Nobody sat there when Batman Begins came out in 2005 thinking it had to be connected to any of the 90's Batman movies. People knew right away it was a reboot, so why do they have to do the same thing here?

The upcoming Matt Reeves Batman reboot doesn't need to be connected to any of the Synderverse stuff, multiverse or not.

I don't need the multiverse to interact but I like that it's there to justify multiple interpretations. I'm stoked that I'm getting three versions of Batman coming my way without each having to take their turn over 20 years.

[ZariusTwo]

Kinda meh, movies don't need to be in a mutiverse, you can just reboot a movie line and nobody cares.

Nobody sat there when Batman Begins came out in 2005 thinking it had to be connected to any of the 90's Batman movies. People knew right away it was a reboot, so why do they have to do the same thing here?

The upcoming Matt Reeves Batman reboot doesn't need to be connected to any of the Synderverse stuff, multiverse or not.

Multiverses are very much a part of DC's fabric, and the last time a movie used the concept (Into the Spider-Verse), it won oscars. This is what's making bank right now.

[sdp]

A bunch of people tried to explain to me how Begins was a prequel to 1989 despite it not being, it took the sequel until people stopped. I'm a nerd for multiverses, now if used as a cheap way to not explain continuity like say Power Rangers is doing lately then that sucks, but in this case we're getting this nerd wishlist of having a live action DC multiverse, all really created by accident when DC ****ed up their cinematic universe but they can't reboot it since some of the movies were successful. We now have this movie to kinda explain away some of the changes and instead of doing it without explanation we get a fanservice explanation.

And since Ezra Miller appeared in the TV live action Crisis crossover, it basically means every DC show is in continuity with everything and I f-cking love it. I always had the multiverse head canon in my head for the live action and animated shows and it's now becoming a reality all because of how incompetent DC was.

[Leo656]

all really created by accident when WB ****ed up their cinematic universe

it's now becoming a reality all because of how incompetent WB was.

Fixed. Give credit/blame where it's due and appropriate, DC and WB are not interchangeable. They're completely separate companies under the same corporate banner, but it's unfair to lay blame on a blameless party.

It might be "easier" to just say "DC" or "Marvel" when we really mean "WB" and "Disney", but that isn't honest and paints a false narrative. E.g., people saying "DC sucks" when what they really mean is "WB sucks", and oh boy do they ever.

Sorry to be pedantic, just something that always bothers me.

[AquaParade]

Fixed. Give credit/blame where it's due and appropriate, DC and WB are not interchangeable. They're completely separate companies under the same corporate banner, but it's unfair to lay blame on a blameless party.

It might be "easier" to just say "DC" or "Marvel" when we really mean "WB" and "Disney", but that isn't honest and paints a false narrative. E.g., people saying "DC sucks" when what they really mean is "WB sucks", and oh boy do they ever.

Sorry to be pedantic, just something that always bothers me.

Actually, I catch myself doing this sometimes. Truth is that it can be a blurry line at times, from our perspective as fans. We don't always know, but we use the info at hand to speculate.

The difference does matter. It's a good point.

[Leo656]

I mean especially when it's always been "iffy" as to how much the two sides even communicate. The movie studio "arm" of DC has infamously little to do with the comic book side, very much of the time.

Most famous example probably being how despite the '89 Batman movie being a huge hit, it was NOT a hit in the office of DC Editorial, who especially hated the "Joker killed Batman's parents" twist and Batman casually offing bad guys. There's been lots of other examples - several DC writers and editors having issues with "Man of Steel", to name one - but the fact is, the movie side and the comics side operate mostly-independently. And when it comes to what goes into the films, WB "corporate" calls the big shots, NOT DC Comics.

So 99% of the time, when people cite some issue with a DC movie, their scorn should go towards WB and not DC as a comic book company/publisher. Their brand logo gets slapped onto the final product but it's not "their" product.

Given how tribal and divisive people get about this stuff I just like to make sure the fingers get pointed where they belong. DC as an "entity" is mostly blame-free with regard to the numerous and repeated mistakes of its parent company. "They just work here."

[Galactus]

I'd worry about what all this means about a Flash film series if I actually thought there was going to be an actual Flash film series. As soon as Justice League tanked there was only ever one reason and one reason only to do a Flash movie and that was to flashpoint the DCEU. I doubt there will be any other Flash movies after that.

I mean yeah if people love Ezra Miller's take on the character in the movie and demand a sequel then we can worry about how you get an audience to accept him fighting kooky characters like Captain Cold and Captain Boomerang after he's saved the multiverse or whatever but the odds of that happening are practically nil so why worry.

[Autbot_Benz]

https://i.imgur.com/6ObYvF6.jpg

[ranger_scout]

To the surprise of no one, time traveling has been confirmed to happen in the movie.

https://deadline.com/2020/08/flash-movie-ezra-miller-andy-muschietti-barbara-muschietti-christina-hodson-warner-bros-dc-fandome-1203020587/

https://i.imgur.com/6ObYvF6.jpg

They said that is Keaton’s Batman alongside him there. Also, you can tell that it’s him with the Bat-symbol on his suit.

[Autbot_Benz]

To the surprise of no one, time traveling has been confirmed to happen in the movie.

https://deadline.com/2020/08/flash-movie-ezra-miller-andy-muschietti-barbara-muschietti-christina-hodson-warner-bros-dc-fandome-1203020587/



They said that is Keaton?s Batman alongside him there. Also, you can tell that it?s him with the Bat-symbol on his suit.

uh thanks captain obvious

[AquaParade]

https://i.imgur.com/6ObYvF6.jpg

This is cool. Very cool. I sympathize with Flash fans who want a solo film, but life surprising me with Michael Keaton Batman is too cool. Never saw it coming.

[Leo656]

Interesting that they kept the "he gets a new costume that Bruce helped build/design" plot point that was going to get worked in waaaaaay back when Zack was still guiding things along as far as the JL spin-offs.

It's kinda odd how many of the things that were a part of his original blueprint are finding their way into the new and different versions of those projects. Like some of the same stuff that was planned is still being used, just in entirely different settings and context. It's interesting.

[raph27]

I'm wondering how significant Keaton's role will be as compared to Affleck's. From what everyone is saying right now, it sounds like most people are expecting a significant role for Keaton and more of a cameo position for Affleck, which sounds like it should be reversed.

I am excited Affleck is back, though. He's my personal favorite of the live-action Batmen and the most solid sign I've seen post-JL's release that there really is still a "master plan" at work with these movies and not just cameos like the Superman bit in Shazam.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Does Affleck only have Synder's JL and this as his final role as Batman?

[Leo656]

As of today, yes, but as of last week, the Flash thing wasn't even a discussion.

So who the hell even knows, anymore? :lol:

Frankly, they could announce JL Part II is back on next week and I don't think anyone would even blink. The entire industry is a lot different now than it was in even March. A lot of things that were once impossible are now at least plausible or possible.

As far as I'm aware though, as of Right Now that's all that's in the cards. Selfishly, though, I would love to get HIS solo movie. He totally deserves one and that's an injustice I doubt I'll ever get over.

[Andrew NDB]

* If Ben Affleck gets to continue being Batman in the DCEU while Ezra screws around in solo movies where he isn't remotely like Barry Allen and the Planet of the Apes guy does his solo "down to earth" Batman movies with Pattinson? Eh. Fine. But we have to have Affleck, or no deal.

* Keaton and Affleck in the same Flash movie? Jeeze. OK. Also, something tells me if this is TRULY what's on the table, they're not going to stop there. There is more stuff they have yet to say.

* I wouldn't get too excited about the prospects of a Justice League II. The words "Justice League" are pretty radioactive. If there is one, it would be greenlit a few months after the dust settled on the HBOMax showing of the Snyder cut... and that's, #1: assuming it is good, and #2: assuming it is well received. And even then, WB might falter. If anything, we might get an ambiguous Justice League II that could "work" whether you saw the Whedon Cut or the Snyder Cut. But I kind of doubt they'll even be interested in that.

[Leo656]

- There's a slightly subdued but strong push to get Brandon Routh another Superman project after he ended up being one of the few good things about "Crisis". Even money says they'll work him into this somehow.

Shipp as one of the other Flashes might be a safe bet. Bale is a possibility, I'd say. They might CGI a few of the dead Superman actors in there, depending on what rights they have towards that kind of thing. I'd wager Lynda Carter will be involved, they just had her do another Wonder Woman-related appearance and she's usually eager to do more stuff just in general. If they're going all-in on the Multiverse angle right out of the starting gate, then I agree they're not going to keep it contained to just cameos for Keaton and Affleck. They have a lot more money than the TV guys do, they can entertain certain notions that the shows couldn't even try and do. That opens up a ton of possibilities.

I think Carter and Routh are probably a lock, because you know if they're establishing Alternate Batmans then they'll do the same with Superman and Wonder Woman, too, and if either of them was asked you know they'd jump to be involved. As far as the other stuff, 50/50. They might not have rights to show George Reeves or Chris Reeve's faces but I imagine they'll show the costumes while conveniently leaving out their faces if that's all they can get away with.

- Oh, I don't think anyone should expect it (although another Justice League movie at SOME point is an inevitability). I was just saying how fast things can change all of a sudden. Like how a month ago, Affleck was done with Batman and glad to be rid of it all, or how a year ago Snyder's JL was something WB wanted to bury and pour concrete over.

It's about as long as long shots can get, sure. I was just saying, we live in Interesting Times and therefore I don't think anything at all can be 100% ruled out.

COVID gutted the industry. There's always a very small chance that WB looks at the state of things, and figures "We have to do another JL movie someday, and starting from scratch is expensive." Given how much work already went into establishing a Part II, if WB looks at the numbers and decides "Screw it, this'll be cheaper than a full reboot", then who knows?

But no, it's wishful thinking at best right now. "Right Now" being the key words, though. Next year? Hell, who can even predict next month?

Literally nothing would surprise me at this point, that's all. "Interesting Times".

[sdp]

I'm sure Affleck is just going to be there to help the plot along and help explain why he's no longer Batman in the new movies and his role will be relatively small but at the same time giving us closure. Only way I can see Batfleck coming back is if SnydeCut is a huge hit on HBO Max and people ask for more Batfleck but somehow I don't see that happening, which is a shame since I'm a Batfleck fan.

Yeah, I don't see this as a Flash movie and more of a crossover movie and I'm fine with that, we do have a Flash TV show with a bunch of seasons so if movie Flash is doing something completely different that's perfectly fine for by me. I'm guessing the success of this movie could mean we get a real Flash movie down the line, and that if it wasn't for the crossover/reboot aspect we wouldn't even be getting it after JL failed.

[AquaParade]

One of the themes of this whole multiverse that DC is pushing is the idea of allowing for multiple iterations of the characters to be used at once.
Walter Hamada himself brought up the old rule they just recently had in place that restricted characters like Batman from being on more than one major motion picture project at a time and restricted him from television, and how they have now done away with it. If Ben is willing, they'll probably ask him for more.

It certainly makes the role feel a little less prestigious to wear it out like this, but I can't complain. I can eat a lot of Batman.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I'm sure Affleck is just going to be there to help the plot along and help explain why he's no longer Batman in the new movies and his role will be relatively small but at the same time giving us closure. Only way I can see Batfleck coming back is if SnydeCut is a huge hit on HBO Max and people ask for more Batfleck but somehow I don't see that happening, which is a shame since I'm a Batfleck fan.

Yeah, I'd imagine the DCEU will continue without him. But I'll savor what I can get left.

[Andrew NDB]

One of the themes of this whole multiverse that DC is pushing is the idea of allowing for multiple iterations of the characters to be used at once.

Only out of failure. You ask them 2 years ago, it wouldn't be this.

[AquaParade]

Only out of failure. You ask them 2 years ago, it wouldn't be this.

What do you mean? I think it's out of a desire for more money. Why sell one Batman project when you can sell two?

I agree that if the cinematic universe Snyder built hadn't failed, this might not have happened, sure. I'll take a multiverse over strictly a Snyder-verse any day though. Bring on the different types of tones and stories.

[Andrew NDB]

What do you mean? I think it's out of a desire for more money. Why sell one Batman project when you can sell two?

I agree that if the cinematic universe Snyder built hadn't failed, this might not have happened, sure. I'll take a multiverse over strictly a Snyder-verse any day though. Bring on the different types of tones and stories.

Mostly from a "salvage" point of view. They were absolutely banking on Batflleck before JL came out. Look at the merchandise. No two ways about it.

Now it's... eh. Anything goes. No man's land.

[AquaParade]

Oh, definitely. That's how I like it, personally. They're giving us shared universe's, as well as stand-alone films. It's a tough thing to complain about.

[sdp]

DC is just trying to be faithful to the comics by rebooting their universe every few months.

[AquaParade]

Ha!

Well, it's definitely a fallback plan, like Andrew said. But I find it to be a really savvy move, at least in theory. The general theme being that they didn't realize what they had right in front of them this whole time, and are now going to utilize that. It's fun to watch unfold.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the MCU multiverse being set up for a very similar reason. At some point, there will be a desire for Marvel movies that aren't directly connected to the shared universe, whether that desire comes from fans or filmmakers. The multiverse isn't just a one-and-done story device for Marvel, it's a pivot that will allow them to tell different types of stories.

[Galactus]

The MCU has already set up its own multiverse. Endgame established time travel doesn't alter the past but rather spin off a new alternate universe. They hinted at a 'proper' multiverse existing in a Spider-Man: Far From Home and the next Doctor Strange movie will be subtitled The Multiverse of Madness.

The multiverse as a concept is one that general audiences will struggle with if not done quite 'right' and even dedicated comic fans struggle with keeping all the alternate versions of their characters and history straight which is why it should be done with care not the hahazard way it seems the WB seem to be doing it to fix their broken extended universe.

[AquaParade]

It's a case-by-case basis, and I really haven't seen any "multiverse" projects, since the multiverse announcements, that seem haphazard to me.
They've utilized it by allowing Matt Reeve's Batman film to be it's own thing and by bringing in Michael Keaton's Batman to the Flash film/Snyder-verse.
Maybe Suicide Squad is confusing, but that seems like more like a case of them just steamrolling over something they aren't proud of, rather than a multiverse thing.

I don't know. Audiences generally don't get enough credit when it comes to what they will and won't understand. Doesn't seem like they've made any dangerous moves yet, but maybe I can be enlightened.

[Galactus]

If Justice League had been a success we'd have gotten Affleck's Batman movie and there would be zero talk of Matt Reeves or any other version set outside of the DCEU.

It's only because of the paradox of Wonder Woman (and later Aquaman) being successful that anyone at the WB even thought about carrying on the DCEU in any form in favour of movies set in their own continuity. Here they've latched the onto the multiverse concept as a way to do both as well as reboot the DCEU into something they hope will be more paletteble to movie goers.

I hope it works and I'm as excited as the next guy to see Keaton return as well as whatever other versions of established characters we'll inevitably see but I'd have more faith if it the multiverse concept had been baked into the DCEU early on rather than doing it now to fix a bunch of problems that never should have existed in the first place.

[AquaParade]

I don't disagree about the shaky path WB took to get to their current position. I just differ on the thought that it's a haphazard move. It seems pretty smart to me, and the projects underway are exciting to me.

I can understand the trepidation though, sure.

[TigerClaw]

The multiverse concept is just Warner Bros's excuse at not doing DC movies in a connected universe. That's one of there weakest elements. They are a studio that is director driven and they give each director creative control to do the movie they want. Sometimes a director they hire doesn't want to make a movie that's connected but rather a standalone movie. Which is what a lot of the current DC movies are gonna be.

They don't want to make movies that setup any big event like another Justice League. They just want standalone movies. If they do another Justice League. That will be a standalone movie on its own.

[AquaParade]

I mean, yeah, it's an excuse that allows them to entice incredible film makers to come on board and direct a movie for them. Filmmakers who would never have interest in playing in their shared universe sandbox. Although, that's still an option (along with the "C"-shaped bagels. Anyone?)
It's the best kind of excuse there is.

I know I have to breath deep and relax but sometimes I want to pull my hair out when people call DC's willingness to give their directors creative freedom a "weakness". Oof. It hurts.
Like, I get wanting to see your favorite characters high-five on screen, but is it really worth creative lockdown?
Okay, I'm being facetious - of course shared universes have their strength, but we will seriously miss out if every film is expected to be apart of that universe. It's certainly not a weakness to give filmmakers the option to play or along or do their own thing.

[TigerClaw]

Warner Bros just wants to make good movies. They aren't in it to please the fans and give them what they want. They give these directors to tell there own story by allowing them to pick any DC property they want.

They struck gold with Joker and you know for sure they will want another movie like Joker down the line.

[frank_one]

They are a studio that is director driven and they give each director creative control to do the movie they want. Sometimes a director they hire doesn't want to make a movie that's connected but rather a standalone movie. Which is what a lot of the current DC movies are gonna be.This is why I will always prefer WB rather than Disney.

[Galactus]

The whole idea that WB/DC prefers director driven movies to the homogeneous style of Disney/Marvel Studios is more than a little generous read of the situation.

Green Lantern was not only their attempt to start a shared cinematic universe ala Marvel but also to ape their style at the time. Had it worked subsequent movies would have also followed that tone and style.

Man of Steel was their second attempt to do what Marvel did but distinctly different. Had Batman v Superman worked we'd have also gotten more movies with a similar tone and visual style.

Letting people like Todd Philips do a standalone Joker movie was born out of the idea they had little else. Even then there was still talk of franchising it. Like I wouldn't be surprised if references to it ended up being shoe horned in to Matt Reeves Batman movie.

If the WB ever do get the DCEU back on track in some way you can bet it won't be some director driven enterprise.

[AquaParade]

Man of Steel wasn't trying to ape Marvel's style, it was trying to do the Nolan version of Batman, at least superficialy.

Todd Phillips' Joker was greenlit because it was cheap, but also because Todd had earned a lot of studio money with his Hangover franchise. Director loyalty.

Phillips's Joker certainly won't be incorporated into Reeves' Batman, no. There's really no reason to think that, especially with the multiverse push.

No, it's not an exaggeration to say that WB is more director-driven than Marvel. And that's okay. Kevin Feige is a great leader of an unprecedented success. But the directors certainly have less control. That's why Scott Derrickson was booted off Dr Strange.

WB's handling of Snyder on JL was an extreme situation.

[Andrew NDB]

The multiverse concept is just Warner Bros's excuse at not doing DC movies in a connected universe.

It's their excuse so that whoever they hire to do new movies can "just do whatever" and it not matter. Or matter because "it's all part of the multiverse, dudes!" Which is pretty meaningless unless they intend to pump out movies like this one that will jump across the different universes, which is highly unlikely.

Lazy. Stupid.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Thinking about it, Ben Affleck is the only Batman on film to be in supportive roles. It still sucks that he never got his own solo movie but ironically, I find it kind of a historic thing that's pretty interesting.

[Leo656]

Thinking about it, Ben Affleck is the only Batman on film to be in supportive roles. It still sucks that he never got his own solo movie but ironically, I find it kind of a historic thing that's pretty interesting.

It's hard for me to deal with, because I know for a fact that I won't ever be able to be completely fair to any future Batman actors over this.

The best Batman can't even get his own solo movie because WB has its head up its ass and would rather constantly reboot and throw out the baby with the bathwater when nothing's even all that wrong.

That's an injustice so disheartening that at this point I try not to even think about it too much.

At least he can "settle" for accidentally being the guy to play the role in the most number of live-action movie projects (so far), for whatever that's worth. I doubt I'll ever get over it, though. I just know Me.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I'm imagining the DCEU continuing without a Batman after this film though a Nightwing or Batgirl film would be interesting. God forbid a Beyond film literally happens.

[Leo656]

You deleted so much from your post that now I look like I'm just rambling for no reason instead of replying to your points, you madman. :lol: Whatever, I'm not deleting it, I worked too hard! :trazz:

For future reference to all who read it: This post contains several points that seem to be for no reason whatsoever, but were initially typed as a reply to stuff the guy above me said before he changed his mind. :lol: "Thanks", pal.
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It was initially pitched/conceived to be Dick who died and not Jason, but that was already kind of being retconned behind the scenes even before the "implosion" of the DCEU. Even when they were gonna do two JL movies and Affleck was all-in on "The Batman", they'd shifted gears and were discussing a Nightwing movie as well, set in the same universe. So regardless of Zack's original intention and scripting of it being Dick who died, one can safely assume that if the plan for doing more movies had moved forward as intended, it would have been revealed as Jason who died and they were gonna pretend that was always the plan. Would have been easy enough to do.

Rumor has it that Affleck's Batman might get killed off in this Flash movie, and that being how they enticed Ben to come back since that was the cherry that originally got him to take the job in the first place, the idea that he'd be the first Batman to have an on-screen death. We'll see. I can see them doing that. It'll be easier for them to move forward without him if he "can't" return. At the very least it will provide some closure for some people that will allow them to no longer ask for or expect him to ever come back. I'unno, we'll see.

As for me, it'd be nice if I were able to keep an open mind, but I was promised something very special and I don't like being lied to. They got my dick hard for nothing. And he was SO GOOD in the role that he's ruined me for anyone else ever doing it. Like now when I read some of my favorite Batman stories in the comics and imagine them as movies, and it's like, "Well, Keaton couldn't do this one justice. Bale wouldn't be able to pull this one off." But Ben? He really is the Batman of my imagination brought to life more so than anyone else, and I never even expected that going in. I'm honestly not a huge fan of the guy in general, I like him in some things but not others. But he completely ruined me with his Batman. I read stuff like "Venom" and picture him in the role and it's like "Jesus."

So much good, and so much potential. All for naught, for fear of the wrath of the fickle nitwits at Entertainment Weekly. :ohwell: At least it was great while it lasted.

It does not help my ability to keep an open mind one bit, I confess, that they immediately jumped to the Twilight Guy and his scrawny arms, chicken neck and hockey-pad Batman cosplay. It is what it is. I know I'm not capable of being entirely fair but I can't see how anyone could see it as a step forward rather than a step backwards. When you go from "Perfect" to ANYTHING it's a step back.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm imagining the DCEU continuing without a Batman after this film though a Nightwing or Batgirl film would be interesting. God forbid a Beyond film literally happens.

All of the movies you mention were announced like 2 or 3 years ago. None are in active production.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I already know that, there's a bunch of movie ideas that WB announced. I just think it'd be interesting for Nightwing or Batgirl to get their own films. At this point though, I wouldn't count on any of those.

Edit: Sorry Leo. Sometimes I do that out of habit.

[Leo656]

Doesn't seem like much of ANYTHING is "in active production" given the state of the world these days.

Most movies which were announced even last year look like "wishful thinking" in the current situation, and the entire industry is in a holding pattern waiting to hear if there's going to be a theater industry to even come back to, or if everything goes straight to Netflix from now on.

I don't think anything's "in active production" except for a few projects that were too far along to stop when the pandemic hit. Fact is, Hollywood isn't going to be able to keep operating as they were if there's not going to be any more movie theaters ever again. They NEEDED that ticket money. All those $200 million+ super-hero and Star Wars movies are gonna have to be made in a completely different fashion forevermore if streaming releases become the only option. The studios are already being very honest about the fact that they can't make money in streaming because everyone is a goddamn thief. Even Disney hasn't been shy about the fact that they can't survive on Disney+ alone.

If the theaters really do go extinct as everyone seems to be leaning towards - and if we're still "not allowed to go out in groups" 6 months from now then I don't see any other outcome, really - then nothing they had planned 6 months ago or even right now is gonna mean a goddamn thing. If they can't put them out in theaters, those movies aren't gonna get made. They're gonna have to instead put everything on pause while they figure out a way how to make the shiny blockbusters people expect/demand while making, like, $20 profit in return because nobody pays for streaming and everybody just pirates everything.

So yeah. Nothing of any real substance is gonna be "in active production" until sometime next year when they can figure out what the industry will look like going forward.

I predict ALL studios will be forced to release far fewer, much smaller films from now on. I mean, there's no business to come back to, they can't just dig themselves a hole. Doesn't matter what they had planned last year or even last month; none of that is relevant anymore. COVID changed everything.

[Andrew NDB]

Doesn't matter what they had planned last year or even last month; none of that is relevant anymore. COVID changed everything.

Well. Something did.

[Leo656]

Ha HAH! True enough, true enough. :lol: You and I get it.

Anyways. Masks are a billion-dollar industry now so we ain't going outside in numbers again anytime soon. That much stands. :trazz: So yeah, probably no more movie theaters.

I doubt Disney's gonna spend $200 million on Star Wars X knowing for a FACT that everybody's just gonna pirate it. So yeah, the whole game is changed now. Probably forever.

Sad.

[AquaParade]

Well. Something did.

You don't think the virus is real? It seems pretty real to me, but nothing surprises me anymore and we live in the age of disinformation, so I don't necessarily have a hard stance one way or the other.

[ZariusTwo]

Of course the virus is real.

[Sumac]

It's their excuse so that whoever they hire to do new movies can "just do whatever" and it not matter. Or matter because "it's all part of the multiverse, dudes!" Which is pretty meaningless unless they intend to pump out movies like this one that will jump across the different universes, which is highly unlikely.

Lazy. Stupid.
I like this idea.
It is different from Marvel and gives an opportunity to experiment with characters.

Of course, it will confuse the **** out of regular moviegoers, but given the history of DCEU, I think, we are past the point where anyone should care about coherency of this stuff.

[ZariusTwo]

Some wild 'scoop's on further potential cameos in the movie

There's a push to get Barry to visit Nolan's universe, if Bale is affordable, they'll involve him, but if not, his Batman is considered dead in that universe so they might just get someone else (likely Oldman as Gordon)

Val Kilmer and George Cloony are being approached for cameos, Chris O'Donnel is being asked to reprise his role as Robin.

Grant Gustin from the Flash tv show may be involved given he was the one who named Miller The Flash in Crisis

Finally, Nicolas Cage is being asked to play Tim Burton Superman. Given he also voiced Superman in the Teen Titans Go movie, this one may be an easy lock

https://fandomwire.com/exclusive-the-flash-approaching-bale-kilmer-clooney-and-huge-surprise-cameo/

[Galactus]

Would people want the sense of 'realism' of the Nolan movies disrupted by involving them in multiverse shenanigans? I can't imagine for a second Oldman or Bale being up for it...then again I wouldn't have thought Bale would be up for a Marvel movie but those movies have gained a unique and respected place in the medium that even actors have usually turn their noses up at goofier comic movies have become eager to appear in them. A cameo in DC's last ditch effort to save their cinematic universe doesn't have quite the same appeal. Maybe they could get Joseph Gordon Levitt as Bruce's successor?

Again do people really what to see Kilmer or Clooney as Batman again? I mean they are supposed to be the same Batman as Keaton and we already have him.

If this is true then they seem to be making the same mistake they did before with their cinematic universe running before they can walk. The multiverse and multiple versions of the same character is still fairly new to general movie going public and it looks like DC is beating them over the head with it already.

[Andrew NDB]

Of course the virus is real.

Yes. There are always viruses that are real. I remember last year's flu really knocking me on my ass. I can't wait for COVID to mildly inconvenience me for a week.

[ZariusTwo]

If this is true then they seem to be making the same mistake they did before with their cinematic universe running before they can walk. The multiverse and multiple versions of the same character is still fairly new to general movie going public and it looks like DC is beating them over the head with it already.

They noticed Spider-Verse won an oscar and are acting accordingly.

[frank_one]

Again do people really what to see Kilmer or Clooney as Batman again? I mean they are supposed to be the same Batman as Keaton and we already have him.Good point.

[Galactus]

They noticed Spider-Verse won an oscar and are acting accordingly.

It also didn't do huge business.

Yes. There are always viruses that are real. I remember last year's flu really knocking me on my ass. I can't wait for COVID to mildly inconvenience me for a week.

You know there is a chance it can cause long term even permenent damage to your lungs, right?

[ZariusTwo]

It also didn't do huge business.

And yet it's getting a sequel

[Galactus]

And yet it's getting a sequel

True and I personally liked it a lot but it wasn't that successful.

Plus that was a genuinely good movie with a straightforward take on the multiverse concept and sincerely heartfelt story.

Flashpoint could certainly be that...but the more we hear about it the more convoluted their multiverse sounds and that is before we get to the fact this Aldo has to reboot the entIre DCEU.

[Leo656]

Sounds absolutely awful. Like horrifying, even.

I knew this was gonna happen the second everyone overreacted to the Keaton cameo. Whenever anyone has any kind of positive reaction to something WB announces, they immediately jam on the gas and plow right into a wall. "Oh, you kids like Birthday cake, eh? Well whattya think about a whole SWIMMING POOL full of it?! Awesome, right! Hey, you kid... stop puking, you LOVE cake, you said! You asked for this, now eat it!"

They're going so far over-the-top with this junk that rather than being "the movie that saves the DCEU" it sounds much more like the crate full of straws that's gonna break the camel's back once and for all. No WAY they get a coherent movie out of... All That mess.

People need to learn to curb their goddamn enthusiasm down to a dull roar so sh*t like this won't happen.

[Galactus]

People need to learn to curb their goddamn enthusiasm down to a dull roar so sh*t like this won't happen.

Or y'know the WB should curb their own enthusiasm.

[Leo656]

That's impossible. If WB didn't overreact to every single passing breeze they'd be an entirely different company. That's literally ALL they ever do.

Thus, the onus is instead on All Of Us to not wet our pants at every terrible idea that sounds cool at first glance but falls apart the second you actually start thinking about it. As I said, I called all of this nonsense from the moment everyone simultaneously spunked over the Keaton announcement. People treated it like it was the Second Coming of Christ and now we're stuck with All This. I knew exactly what such outbursts of needless over-enthusiasm would bring about. And now we're stuck here.

YOU people did this. I went "meh" like any sane and reasonable person would. *I* wanted a FLASH movie, not a two-hour game of "Spot The Reference" where Flash doesn't even get any kind of arc during the five minutes he'll be on-screen in the movie with his name in the title.

Shame on all of you. Learn how to "Meh".

[Allsparrow]

Yes. There are always viruses that are real. I remember last year's flu really knocking me on my ass. I can't wait for COVID to mildly inconvenience me for a week.

Perhaps you should put your theory to the test?

[sdp]

sounds awesome but those rumors are too good to be true, of course most of those would just be cameos but that's fine by me. I don't see Bale reprising anything unless he gets a big enough role but any nod to that universe is fine. Having TV flash would be a great way to tie the whole multiverse concept.

[Galactus]

YOU people did this. I went "meh" like any sane and reasonable person would. *I* wanted a FLASH movie, not a two-hour game of "Spot The Reference" where Flash doesn't even get any kind of arc during the five minutes he'll be on-screen in the movie with his name in the title.

Shame on all of you. Learn how to "Meh".

This comes across a little like when Bay-Turtle defenders argued the movies were bad because they changed them to please the fans. If the WB can't restrain itself from getting carried away then that's their fault not the fans.

sounds awesome but those rumors are too good to be true, of course most of those would just be cameos but that's fine by me. I don't see Bale reprising anything unless he gets a big enough role but any nod to that universe is fine. Having TV flash would be a great way to tie the whole multiverse concept.

I'm not sure it's a good idea to show the movie audience there's a more likeable of the Flash in live action out there right now.

[sdp]

The multiverse will be hyped by the internet way more than its actual role in the movie, everyone in the multiverse will get a few seconds cameo with the exception of Keaton. Just like Crisis on infinite earths it won't matter how many more people they bring in since the story will deal with the main actors so the more cool cameos even if super brief the better.

I'm not sure it's a good idea to show the movie audience there's a more likeable of the Flash in live action out there right now.

Different audiences, the average movie goer that wants to see this will not be watching a CW drama that is many seasons long. And the ones that do will be watching the movie regardless or weren't going to watch the movie no matter what since they already have the show.

[Andrew NDB]

Perhaps you should put your theory to the test?

Not afraid of it in the slightest. Bring it on.

[Galactus]

Not afraid of it in the slightest. Bring it on.

I just today had to go to the bank and took a cab. The driver told me he'd had Covid and recovered but despite being young and healthy it's left him with permanent asthma which he didn't have before.

He also described the ordeal he had to go through while in hospital. This is not a bad case of the flu.

[Andrew NDB]

"I met a cab driver and he had a scary COVID story!"

Yeah. No. I don't feed into fear.

[Galactus]

"I met a cab driver and he had a scary COVID story!"

Yeah. No. I don't feed into fear.

He's driven me before and I'm pretty sure he was telling the truth. But it's up to you if you want to get a painful and potentially deadly virus that even if you survive could very well leave you with other health problems for the rest of your life.

[Andrew NDB]

He's driven me before and I'm pretty sure he was telling the truth. But it's up to you if you want to get a painful and potentially deadly virus that even if you survive could very well leave you with other health problems for the rest of your life.

It's also up to you if you want to let the media paralyze you with fear.

[sdp]

can we keep conspiracy theories on FB please?

[Andrew NDB]

can we keep conspiracy theories on FB please?

As long as the fear-mongering and fear competitions ("I bet I'm more afraid of COVID than you!" etc.) stays there as well.

[sdp]

It's one thing to call out SJW BS that creeps into entertainment, it's another to go on a rant for pages and complain about it in every other topic, you're no better than the people you complain about. Same annoying ****.


So...that Flashpoint movie at the current rate would we see this movie perhaps in 2022 or would it be later/never?

[Andrew NDB]

So...that Flashpoint movie at the current rate would we see this movie perhaps in 2022 or would it be later/never?

I'm personally of the mind that this will not see the light of day. But yes. Maybe late 2021 at the earliest. I'm still surprised Ezra wasn't successfully cancelled (if only for selfish reasons, not pragmatic ones). The whole choking a lady out thing... which is less #metoo and more... sh**, there it is on Youtube for us to see.

[Allsparrow]

As long as the fear-mongering and fear competitions ("I bet I'm more afraid of COVID than you!" etc.) stays there as well.

"Bring it on" - Andrew.

You could volunteer to be a test subject. You could get Covid now and get it over with, and prove it's just a Flu.

https://www.coronaviruspreventionnetwork.org/understanding-clinical-studies/

[Andrew NDB]

"Bring it on" - Andrew.

You could volunteer to be a test subject. You could get Covid now and get it over with, and prove it's just a Flu.

https://www.coronaviruspreventionnetwork.org/understanding-clinical-studies/

Always interesting to me in 2020. "WHYYY are you not AFRAID as much as MEEEE????"

Pathetic. gtfoh

[Allsparrow]

You seem distraught over the situation. I’m suggesting a way to take action instead of complaining. You’re confident it won’t make you sick, and even if it does, it will be minor. So, either you mean it, and you honestly think it’s a hoax, or you’re a keyboard warrior. If you feel this strongly, and you want this to stop, you’d be out helping anyway you could, not quarterbacking from the couch.
They need volunteers, so go ahead an show us how not afraid you are.

[Andrew NDB]

You seem distraught over the situation. I’m suggesting a way to take action instead of complaining. You’re confident it won’t make you sick, and even if it does, it will be minor. So, either you mean it, and you honestly think it’s a hoax, or you’re a keyboard warrior. If you feel this strongly, and you want this to stop, you’d be out helping anyway you could, not quarterbacking from the couch.
They need volunteers, so go ahead an show us how not afraid you are.

I don't feel like being inconvenienced for a week, even if mildly. I'm (being forcibly) inconvenienced enough as it is.

[sdp]

Andrew had let it go @allsparrow, we were moving the conversation back to The Flash and the mismanagement of WB if you really want to continue engaging PM him and have some political fun there.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0a/39/c0/0a39c0736382cd8328735f06bf837560.jpg

I'm personally of the mind that this will not see the light of day. But yes. Maybe late 2021 at the earliest. I'm still surprised Ezra wasn't successfully cancelled (if only for selfish reasons, not pragmatic ones). The whole choking a lady out thing... which is less #metoo and more... sh**, there it is on Youtube for us to see.

I think Warner Media is going to be putting a lot of effort on this one since it's their way of "rebooting" and fixing the DCEU. They don't want to reboot since some movies are successful, others weren't, it's a clusterf-ck. With this movie they can do what they want after it.

The fact that we could see something like the picture above even if not done correctly in my opinion makes it worth sacrificing the DCEU. Reboot it with this movie, have random movies with little concern over continuity and hand wave it like the comics usually do. Sure try to build a cohesive story but don't let contradictions between films hamper other movies. I'll take another Joker movie that breaks continuity over a canon Suicide Squad 1.

[Allsparrow]

I don't feel like being inconvenienced for a week, even if mildly. I'm (being forcibly) inconvenienced enough as it is.

So you talk the talk, but that’s about it. Others should take note of this the next time you run your mouth about the pandemic. You’re just as afraid as everyone else. You should apologize to the rest of us, for being such a jerk.

To SDP: He hasn’t actually let it go. He’s still chirping about it. I don’t need to argue with him in private, I want everyone to see he’s a spineless bully, and his comments about this situation are more than just unfounded, they’re dangerous. People’s actual lives are at stake, and he is giving false information to other members of the board. This should not be tolerated, by any of us.

[Andrew NDB]

I think Warner Media is going to be putting a lot of effort on this one since it's their way of "rebooting" and fixing the DCEU. They don't want to reboot since some movies are successful, others weren't, it's a clusterf-ck. With this movie they can do what they want after it.

I don't think this movie began as that, but it does look like that's how they're positioning it. Between that and possibly seeing further JL spinoff stuff spawning from the Snyder cut on HBO Max... weird times are ahead.

Probably there's going to be more surprises to come in the announcements for the movie. No way WB is going to bank on even a minor (maybe medium?) DCEU course correction movie on Ezra, who most people don't even like in the part (and lately, anywhere else), unless there is going to be a bunch of other heavyweights carrying the load. Like Keaton and Affleck (and I'm not even 100% the Affleck stuff is even real news... the Keaton stuff, I feel like enough is out there that it's probably real on some level), that's nice but... what else? There's got to be other stuff. We're going to see a lot of possibly exciting people announced to essentially "Carry" the movie.

So you talk the talk, but that’s about it. Others should take note of this the next time you run your mouth about the pandemic.

It could be much worse. You know, like I could be TommyT back with a FAKE account.

You’re just as afraid as everyone else.

First of all, "everyone" is not terrified of the virus. Some are, some aren't. Some are varying degrees of "concerned." Others still are not scared of it at all. If I could go back to work without a mask tomorrow, I would. Now, I'll play ball with the masks thing if that's the law and if it makes everyone happy, but the moment I don't have to then off it comes.

It's funny and a little telling that you can't accept that not everyone is as full of fear as you. As if you're saying without saying, "I'm really, really terrified of the virus, so because I'm infallible that MUST mean that everyone else is, too! #justifymyfears #fear4ever #myfearismypower #fearisnotthemindkiller"

[Allsparrow]

You’re afraid, just not man enough to admit it.

[Jester]

So....Flash has a movie...

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

So....Flash has a movie...

Are we sure about that?

It's sounding more and more like Flash has a cameo, while Batman, Batman, and maybe even Batman and Batman have a movie.

[Leo656]

Are we sure about that?

It's sounding more and more like Flash has a cameo, while Batman, Batman, and maybe even Batman and Batman have a movie.

:lol: That's the best description of the situation that I've heard yet! :lol::lol::lol:

[Andrew NDB]

I dunno. I think it would be wise not to expect much from the Batman cameos.

[Andrew NDB]

You’re afraid, just not man enough to admit it.

Not one molecule in my body is. I'm in the best shape of my life, with less body fat than I was even at 18. I lift weights and do my dips and pushups and pullups and situps and take my vitamins and do my cardio (running, which I love). I'm 39, never had asthma or anything. No, not remotely scared. I put that on everything. If my daughter was going to real schooling now and somehow passed something to me, I'd be 100% fine with it. Hell, when she was a baby and in daycare that first year and a half? I was getting sick 3 times a month, and bad bouts to where even my cowokers (largely even, mothers) questioning me about it and doubting. I'd take the one time over that special hell. Not that you would know anything about that.

You phony.

Again. Dig it up. Look at the bodies. I know it's horrible to do, but it's possible. They're all obese. I know there's the old people factor, but they're all obese, beyond the outliers and the super old. Alternately, if you don't have the stomach for it stfu. I guess maybe you're obese and this is a denial plan? No clue.

[Leo656]

Looks like we were right in guessing our guest's "Secret Identity". :lol: We should start a detective agency. :tgrin:

[ZariusTwo]

Looks like we were right in guessing our guest's "Secret Identity". :lol: We should start a detective agency. :tgrin:

Z1kvy_NKxTs

[Leo656]

I'unno what's worse... the fact that that show ran for three seasons, or the fact that that dork f*cks Rebecca Romijn.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'unno what's worse... the fact that that show ran for three seasons, or the fact that that dork f*cks Rebecca Romijn.

So... you're telling me her standards are low enough that maybe, just maybe, I'd have a chance with her? :tcouch:

[frank_one]

So... you're telling me her standards are low enough that maybe, just maybe, I'd have a chance with her? :tcouch:Are you rich enough?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Are you rich enough?

$hit. :tlol:

[Autbot_Benz]

The Flash moves from June 3, 2022 to November 4, 2022

https://collider.com/the-batman-new-release-date-delayed-2022/?utm_campaign=collidersocial&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter

[Leo656]

By January they'll announce it as being officially Cancelled. March at the latest.

Non-animated movies are going away for a while. It's unavoidable by this point.

[Andrew NDB]

It's like movies are flailing about in the water trying to get out, and morons are taking their hand and shoving them further into it, forcibly drowning them.

[Leo656]

I feel like if we took an actual vote, MOST people would throw up their hands, say "Enough is enough!" and advocate for trying to return to some semblance of normal activity.

Sadly, "Those Who Know Better" insist that's not allowed. "Think about grandma!"

Funny thing is, they always talk about "opposing tyranny and fascism in all its forms". Yet think nothing of forcing the economy to shut down "for as long as it takes!" even though MOST people don't agree with it. It wasn't put to a vote.

Funny how that all works.

[Andrew NDB]

I feel like if we took an actual vote, MOST people would throw up their hands, say "Enough is enough!" and advocate for trying to return to some semblance of normal activity.

Sadly, "Those Who Know Better" insist that's not allowed. "Think about grandma!"

Funny thing is, they always talk about "opposing tyranny and fascism in all its forms". Yet think nothing of forcing the economy to shut down "for as long as it takes!" even though MOST people don't agree with it. It wasn't put to a vote.

Funny how that all works.

Dumb. We're not fighting a virus as much as we're fighting a whole ideology.

There's no reason in the world theaters can't be widespread open with limited capacities and extra care to cleaning and sterilization. The thing is, the studios have to help them by actually releasing movies. I don't want to go to the theater and put a mask on to see "Jaws" again, I want to see "Ghostbusters Afterlife." I want to see "Wonder Woman 1984."

[Leo656]

Yeah, it's dumb. It's ALL dumb.

I'm wrestling on Saturday. There were a bunch of shows this past Saturday. Wrestling started up again around here a few weeks ago, mostly outdoors but a few indoor venues. Nobody's gotten sick. At indoor venues, they just seat people one seat's width apart from each other and enforce mask wearing. Attendants disinfect the seats when people move around and they disinfect the ring, ropes, etc. between matches.

Crowds are small but steadily growing. The show I'm working on Saturday, the first two rows have been sold out for weeks. People WANT to go back to doing normal things.

Also. More people pack into Walmart every single day than you can fit in a movie theater. No outbreaks. But then we all know The Virus is magical and stops at the front door to Walmart, which is why nobody gets sick there even though they don't wipe down the carts or the keypads anymore.

We've done all we can do. Time to go back to normal-ish. Precautions can be taken but "full lockdown" isn't doing anything but costing people their livelihoods. If a couple hundred people can safely attend a wrestling show without incident, and a couple THOUSAND people a DAY can shop at Walmart without massive outbreaks... then it's time to say Enough Is Enough.

[frank_one]

Here in Italy all the theatres around me are open. They have limited seats, you are not allowed to enter without a mask, you need to have your temperature checked, you need to show them your ID and give them your phone number. But they are OPEN.
I'm sure it will be the same there in the US soon.

[Leo656]

One would hope.

Reasonable precautions? Sure. Then gradually scale back as necessary, if necessary.

Other countries, thankfully for them, aren't suffering from the "disease" of every single thing having to be a political football. Thus, things are going a lot more smoothly Over There than over here. Less finger pointing and "YOUR policies are killing people!" "No, YOURS!" means things can operate at a much saner level. The tribalism of the American political game is a "disease" all its own. There's absolutely no problem that can't be made worse just by asking some politician to talk about how he feels on it.

I do hope/expect that things will loosen up after November. Regardless of who wins, we'll be stuck with them for four years, so no more need to lay blame, point fingers, or waste time on anything else but Fixing The Problem. Hopefully.

If this hadn't happened in an election year, it wouldn't have gotten so ugly. I have to believe that's the truth no matter who anyone supports. I don't even vote; I just called this from a mile away. "This happens in an election year? Great. Nothing's gonna get done until it's over." Lo and behold.....

Anyways. Sure, I think all businesses should be able to operate as "normal-ish" as possible with REASONABLE precautions. Movie theaters included.

Will they be "allowed" to? We'll see. It definitely won't happen as long as people keep saying "You're gonna kill your grandma!" every time anyone expresses an interest in a return to normalcy. That sort of hyperbole isn't helping the situation. BUT... that's America, for you.

Hopefully you're right, though. We shall see.

[Autbot_Benz]

Fisher's Cyborg is being written out of the movie.

https://collider.com/the-flash-cyborg-written-out-ray-fisher/

[Leo656]

Never officially IN the movie to begin with.

https://screenrant.com/dc-movie-cyborg-casting-recast-ray-fisher-debunked/

Fisher's involvement with The Flash was never officially confirmed, and now it seems like any potential talks have fallen through.


Which only means that RUMORS of his involvement are now officially False. There's absolutely no "proof" that he had a role written for him and is now being "written out".

The Internet sucks at both Journalism and Reading Comprehension.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Never officially IN the movie to begin with.

https://screenrant.com/dc-movie-cyborg-casting-recast-ray-fisher-debunked/

Which only means that RUMORS of his involvement are now officially False. There's absolutely no "proof" that he had a role written for him and is now being "written out".

The Internet sucks at both Journalism and Reading Comprehension.

I don't see "no official confirmation" and "rumors were false" as being the same. It could have been discussed or planned, but never agreed upon.

Also, remember -- there have been at least THREE different Flash ideas since WB/DC announced their original post-Man of Steel lineup years ago. I have a hard time believing Cyborg wasn't in one of those. Where there's smoke, there's fire, and so on.

[Leo656]

It was probably discussed, yes.

But the fact remains that there was NEVER any announcement that "Oh, by the way, Cyborg's in the Flash movie." None. Zero. Rumors and speculation and nothing beyond that.

And also, the article Benz posted doesn't even make reference to the sensationalist headline in any way whatsoever, only pretty much echoing what the ScrenRant article says, which is "IF it was ever being talked about, it's not happening now." The article itself makes no reference to a "script" in which Cyborg was ever in, let alone "written out of". I'm willing to relent that the article's writer probably didn't choose the clickbait headline themselves, the website's owners/operators/whatever probably did. But still. it's yellow journalism and bad reporting. Clickbait.

Once again, I actually took Journalism, which teaches that rumors and speculation are not to be reported as "news". BUT. I admit that was 20 years ago, pre-Internet - point of fact, a Class Rule was "IF it's being reported on the internet, don't believe it, because it's probably Rumor and Speculation because they're not obligated by law to fact-check, cite sources, or print retractions the way REAL news sources have to do", and if you used anything on the internet as a "source" in that class then your article was dismissed until you had a "real" source of information to cite. So I admit, things have changed, but not for the better - the Internet is now the ONLY source of "news", but they STILL only deal in Rumors and Speculation and every single whisper gets a headline whether it's True or False, and they STILL aren't bound by law to actually tell the truth the way newspapers had to. And all of that is bad. And very, very annoying to someone like me who can tell the difference between "Actual News" and clickbait.

I mean they may as well print another headline to go with that one that says "Jeffrey Dean Morgan's Thomas Wayne Being Written Out Of The Flash Movie". Because HE was never IN the movie, either, it was again all rumors, speculation and Wishful Thinking. So it's equally as true. Neither guy was ever "officially" IN the movie, so they can't be "written out" of it.

Words Matter.

[AquaParade]

Yes, proof is vital when it comes to movie casting, but when abuse allegations are thrown around - go with your gut!

:tcouch:

Maybe I'm being facetious.

[Leo656]

Hardy-f*cking-har-har. :roll: And you wonder why I lose my patience with you so easily and so often.

A website posted a clickbait headline which the article underneath it says absolutely Zero to support and I explained in crystal clear detail why that's Bad.

Show me when it was ever officially announced that there was a Flash script that had Cyborg in it. Bonus points if it also had Thomas Wayne in it. You can't be "written out" of something you were never IN to start with.

JESUS.

[Andrew NDB]

Next it will be "Keaton being written out of potential Batman Beyond movie."

[frank_one]

I am being written out of the movie. My imaginary dog is being written out as well.

[Leo656]

Next it will be "Keaton being written out of potential Batman Beyond movie."

Right?! :lol:

That was another clickbait headline like two days ago I'm shocked nobody here mentioned. Someone falsely reported that Keaton was gonna be starring as Batman in a bunch of upcoming DC movies. Nothing behind it, but it got a lot of people talking for like, a day and change, before someone at WB came out and said they absolutely never said that and people were just running with rumors and out-of-context quotes, as usual. So no, Keaton's not doing anything but a cameo in the Flash movie, but for like two days almost it was "OMG dOOd did you hear Keaton's gonna be in a bunch of Batman movies OMFG yaaaaassss!" :roll: Same sh*t, basically.

Meanwhile, I "got fired" from WWE. I don't work there anymore. I never worked there to start with, but... I definitely don't work there now. :lol: I got "written out" of storylines I was never written into.

"News".

I am being written out of the movie. My imaginary dog is being written out as well.

See, This Guy knows how to be funny. Good for you, This Guy.

[AquaParade]

I actually think my point is pretty strong.

But I don't have a link to a site that has proof of Cyborg ever being in Flash. I don't think it was ever officially confirmed, just rumored. I don't think Deadline, Variety, or HW reporter said anything about it and they are usually the ones to look to.

[Leo656]

But I don't have a link to a site that has proof of Cyborg ever being in Flash. I don't think it was ever officially confirmed, just rumored. I don't think Deadline, Variety, or HW reporter said anything about it and they are usually the ones to look to.

Exactly. The "headline" is a lie to attract attention. What's worse, I've seen the exact same headline repeated at least a half-dozen times today BUT every article pretty much says the exact same thing within the body text - "Fisher's involvement with 'The Flash' has never actually been confirmed, only rumored" - which is a fancy way of saying "Yeah, the headline that brought you here was a Complete Lie, but thanks, we get paid for your clicks."

I have no doubt that there were TALKS at one point, just like I've been "in talks" to be brought into any number of wrestling promotions that didn't pan out for one reason or other. But the fact remains, I wasn't "written out", we never came to terms in the first place. It's the exact same thing. To report "Ray Fisher was fired from The Flash movie" is irresponsible because we have nothing but rumor to suggest he was ever even IN the movie.

Pedantic? Perhaps. But again, Words Matter. And I don't like lies being given headlines and smeared all over the landscape for the viewing pleasure of an increasingly-gullible and functionally-illiterate public. It's a big reason why most people on the internet are Huge Retards nowadays. They have no reading comprehension and nobody forces 'em to learn any.

An acceptable headline would be, "Ray Fisher No Longer Being Considered For Role in 'The Flash' Movie". That headline adheres to The Facts As We Know Them and avoids trading in rumors and hearsay. Which is what "journalists" are supposed to do. BUT, it's not as "juicy".

Remember all those "Henry Cavill Fired From Being Superman" headlines from almost two years ago? Turns out they weren't true, either, and The Truth was more like, "Creative Has Nothing For You Right Now". But he was never "fired" from being Superman, they just didn't write any more movies for him while at the same time they were negotiating a new contract, which is an entirely different thing. Yet that's the headline people ran with, "He Got Fired", and I still see people repeating it to this day, in some places. Stuff like this breeds ignorance, and that's why it can't be ignored. Words Matter.

I know the fight is lost and Everything Is Clickbait, now, but I'll be damned if I'm going to just ignore it. Personally, if I had written the article(s) and I saw that "Written Out" headline on top of it, I would request they either change the headline or demand they take my name off of it.

Seriously, Every Single Thing about "news" nowadays is the exact opposite of what they teach you in school. And it's all because websites are not legally bound to report "facts only" and can get away with posting rumors as "news". AND they don't have to post retractions if and when they're proven incorrect. They take advantage of legal loopholes to push false narratives and keep people ignorant. It's gross and it's annoying. ALL "news" is no different from tabloids nowadays. We mock The Enquirer out loud but spend all our time getting our "news" from websites that have the Exact Same Standards and operate no differently. It's stupid.

Anyway. You can't "lose" a job you never really had. So the people who insist on using that specific headline deserve to get f*cked in the face. End of story.

[Autbot_Benz]

welp its official whiny pants is out as Cyborg.

https://comicbook.com/movies/news/the-flash-ray-fisher-cyborg-essay-warner-bros-officially-moving-on-dc-boss/


“I have received official confirmation that Warner Bros. Pictures has decided to remove me from the cast of The Flash,” Fisher began. “I strongly disagree with their decision, but it is one that is unsurprising. Despite the misconception, Cyborg’s involvement in The Flash was much larger than a cameo—and while I do mourn the lost opportunity to bring Victor Stone back to the screen, bringing awareness to the actions of Walter Hamada will prove to be a much more important contribution to our world.”

[sdp]

Since Ezra crossed over with TV Flash, I'm hoping, no I know it. We're already switching characters around so why not just do this and bring the greatest original character do not steal from the Arrowverse Felicity into DCEU canon
https://i.pinimg.com/564x/8d/18/61/8d18612926afdc6df7c6d220fbd184a8.jpg

#readyforthenewnew #parishilton

[Leo656]

Saxon = Joke Account