Should the non-TMNT sections of the forums be closed down?

[CyberCubed]

For one thing, the main and original reason any of us came to the Technodrome was to discuss TMNT. We're all TMNT fans here, or else none of us would have discovered this forum in the first place. The TMNT sections could use more activity, but they're there for proper discussion.

A lot of the problems of this forums in terms of trolling/controversy/bashing/debates happens in all the non-TMNT sections. The Everything Else section in particular, the Current Events section due to politics and religion, and to a lesser extent the TV and Movies section. Almost all the worst threads or worst debates with people insulting each other happens in those sections the most. You can see it happen regularly and anyone who has been there knows this is true.

If all the non-TMNT sections of the forums were closed, then people would be "forced" to discuss TMNT here, and thus all off-topic discussion can be had in social groups where you have to ask to become a member of. Granted I know the TMNT forums have debates too, but at least it's the main reason we come here.

Should all non-TMNT discussion go to social groups instead of the forums? What do you think?

Discuss.

And before anyone asks, no, this is not a parody thread. Let's see how this thread turns out. As I said before:

Discuss.

[IndigoErth]

No.

This thread needs to be locked.




While maybe some behavior needs to be curbed, no one is forced to respond. Or read it. Or visit sections they want closed down.

[Powder]

Honestly, I would have no problem with that.

But really I think it's just the Current Events section that needs to go. People can't respect the no politics/religion thing, & beyond that it only serves to be a celebrity obituary anyway.

Other than that, the only problems are with certain people who create flame-bait threads with the sole intention of watching things burn, because they know the mods aren't around to deal with it.

[Autbot_Benz]

ya get rid of current events and keep the movie/TV show section that gets a lot of buzz

[snake]

Ban politics. Keep the rest, sometimes we can have fun.

[Krutch]

I mostly hang out in the General Discussion side of things so I'd hate to see it axed... but I'm with Powder on this. It's not the section itself thats the problem, it's the people who actively look to cause issues that need to be straightened out.

[snake]

Interesting to see how the quality of the forums began to decrease as soon as the "no politics/religion" rule was ignored. If you go back to the GD from, say, 2005/2006 you can see people having actual fun. Coincidentally the rule was enforced then. Really makes you think.

[Papenbrook]

Interesting to see how the quality of the forums began to decrease as soon as the "no politics/religion" rule was ignored. If you go back to the GD from, say, 2005/2006 you can see people having actual fun. Coincidentally the rule was enforced then. Really makes you think.

Yeah. The environment was different.

Anyway, I do think that the "No politics!" rule should be enforced.

[snake]

Yeah. The environment was different.

Anyway, I do think that the "No politics!" rule should be enforced.

Pretty ironic coming from someone who used to instigate all the time.

[DestronMirage22]

NO.
Of course not.
I don't know about others, but I like being able to post my thoughts about non-TMNT stuff or how my day went or just chat about anything with fellow members.

I admit things can get heated up, but that's no reason to remove those entire sections because of a couple threads or whatever. The issues need to be solved directly.

[newfan]

I don't think it's a bad thing, not all of them anyway. TMNT is the main focus of course but a lot of the fans seem to like the same kind of movies/shows so i can't see that it hurts to talk about that. Ive only just joined so not sure how it was to start, have you always done this? I don't care about politics being on here, it doesn't suit this kind of site and there is enough of it everywhere .....but then I don't have to read the threads if I choose not to.

[Andrew NDB]

Message boards are a dying breed. You remove the community aspect of it that transcends the topic said forum is based... you end up with the same boring thing that every boring Facebook "fan page" is left with.

But the OP didn't make this thread as a serious post. C'mon.

[TurtleWA]

Forum rules are rarely followed or enforced. Especially rule number six and four. I guess not so much rules as guidelines in the first place. Removing a certain topic area or thread won't stop anything. It will just force those topics to trickle into other areas and really derail threads. If we keep a place for the "hot" issues they can be contained at least. And people can get it out of their systems rather than dumping the issue sneakily into random threads. Trolls and folks that need drama don't care about the section title so much. It basically comes down to mod enforcement if change is required. It would be an interesting experiment if certain sections got closed down for a week or so. You know for "routine maintenance." :tgrumble: :roll:

[Andrew NDB]

It would be an interesting experiment if certain sections got closed down for a week or so.

That'd be pretty dumb.

It seems there might be a failure to consider the most obvious of all solutions as to the "hot" threads, political threads, what-have-you: don't click on them. If you're simply unable or unwilling to resist the urge to click on one and then inevitably become upset, that speaks more to you than the original poster.

It'd be like, morbidly obese people asking the government to ban all twinkies from stores so they can't even be tempted to buy them, ever.

[IndigoErth]

Though I'd like to smack him on the arm sometimes and should in theory be tucking his tail in over the possible link between this thread and the current most inflammatory 'Everything Else' one, I have to agree with Andrew on the community thing. If the thing a forum is dedicated to is in a bit of a lull and not offering all that much to talk about, it's nice to at least keep people around a bit with other things they can connect (or debate) over.

And private groups are just too hidden, they aren't going to encourage a lurker to participate more or catch the eye of someone who isn't in it but might have had something to offer to a discussion...

Hate on the PD films all you want, but after I joined I never had time to check out other parts of the forum until that all settled down. That stuff and the series was enough to keep up with and I didn't bother with non-TMNT areas. But since that isn't really a thing anymore and the series is winding down (with little knowledge of the next), it's nice to have other sections now.



It'd be like, morbidly obese people asking the government to ban all twinkies from stores so they can't even be tempted to buy them, ever.
Off topic (thus spoiler), but I just envisioned them being locked in a glass case like spray paint, razors, and other items, and requiring a doctor's note saying that they believe you can reasonably be okay with eating one of those things, that probably no one should be consuming anyway.

[TurtleWA]

That'd be pretty dumb.

It seems there might be a failure to consider the most obvious of all solutions as to the "hot" threads, political threads, what-have-you: don't click on them. If you're simply unable or unwilling to resist the urge to click on one and then inevitably become upset, that speaks more to you than the original poster.

Don't click on them? Now that's dumb, my friend.

Warning! Don't click.

you clicked didn't you

[Jester]

No, that's too draconian. We already have rules for those non-TMNT, they just need more enforcement...and I would if I could, but that sub-forum is out of my limited jurisdiction

[GoldMutant]

I don't really see the point in doing that. Lately, General Discussion has the more frequent discussion.

At this point with TMNT, there's not a whole lot to fully discuss in the cartoon sections outside new episodes and info relating to the next series. Same with the movies. You can get a discussion out of them, but it does become irritating, especially when a certain someone wants threads locked.

Of course, there's still tons of content that can be discussed. Personally speaking, there just aren't many threads I seek out in TMNT. It brought in many users, that much is true. However, some have fallen out and want to discuss other topics; in general, it does offer some variety as a result.

I will admit that as of late, General Discussion has had a few bad threads. Some of them have been locked, some are in usage. I do feel Current Events should be locked in the distant future because there's really no activity in it. Powder said it best earlier, it's just not working with the current crop of users on specific topics compared to past users.

Locking anything else would be a detrimental blow, especially the Everything Else, Movie, and Video Game sections. There's a ton of content in them, so what would be the point of locking it? You're essentially asking for the forums to speed up their decline by removing a good percentage worth of discussion.

[eskater]

I honestly didn't think people had a problem with the current event section to be honest. Guess I really need to stick around more. Personally it wouldn't hurt me but I don't really see a reason to get rid of it, just don't go there as often.

[plastroncafe]

That'd be pretty dumb.

It seems there might be a failure to consider the most obvious of all solutions as to the "hot" threads, political threads, what-have-you: don't click on them. If you're simply unable or unwilling to resist the urge to click on one and then inevitably become upset, that speaks more to you than the original poster.

It'd be like, morbidly obese people asking the government to ban all twinkies from stores so they can't even be tempted to buy them, ever.

Where as I think it'd just be easier to ban people who go out of their way to be dickrinses.

[Andrew NDB]

Where as I think it'd just be easier to ban people who go out of their way to be dickrinses.

Probably just as easy to add them to an "Ignore" list, I would tend to think.

[ProphetofGanja]

No........

[Krutch]

Probably just as easy to add them to an "Ignore" list, I would tend to think.

The ignore feature is worthless on this forum since you still see threads created by the user, it creates ugly breaks within threads where a post from that user would have posted, and since "ignored" users are generally attention seekers, you're almost guaranteed to read every comment they wrote anyway through other people's posts quoting them.

[BubblyShell22]

No, I don't think the GD forums need to be closed permanently as it's nice for some of us to vent about our bad days or talk about good things. I agree about the politics thing, but the best thing to do if you don't want to talk about such subjects is to just not click on those threads and only pay attention to the ones you want to add the discussion to.

[CyberCubed]

The ignore feature is worthless on this forum since you still see threads created by the user, it creates ugly breaks within threads where a post from that user would have posted, and since "ignored" users are generally attention seekers, you're almost guaranteed to read every comment they wrote anyway through other people's posts quoting them.

Heh, this reminds me of how Vegita-san said he has like 10-13 members on his ignore list yet for some reason still posts in threads where apparently everyone is blocked to him.

[The Deadman]

If only TMNT talk was the only thing to talk about, it would get pretty boring pretty fast. I don't know why people complain about what others talk about on forums. Maybe some aren't Turtles fans but they're here anyway cause they like interacting with others on different topics.

[newfan]

I've been enjoying reading some of the non TMNT threads today, I'd be up for keeping them.

[BubblyShell22]

Yeah, some of them are pretty amusing at times.

[Prowler]

If this became a TMNT only discussion forum it'd lose a lot of activity. The video game and especially the tv and movies sub-forums are quite active.

If anything, maybe forbidding political and religion discussion should suffice it? I used to think it was silly to disallow those, but after so many threads getting disintegrated I can now see why :lol:

[sdp]

Not only is Cubed correct yet again, but I say he is not going far enough with his post. Clearly this forum is named after "The Technodrome" of the original series. As an official drome t-shirt (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=1373) wearing member I know what I'm talking about.

Clearly many of the users we have now have not only not watched the entire OT but have never even visited thetechnodrome.com and seen this month's POTM! Most only know the forums and not what this site is a tribute to, hint: It's the original cartoon.

I remember when even discussing 2k3 was debated about, so I say we close all non-OT TMNT sections as well and that way all users will be forced to discuss the Fred Wolf cartoon only. We can maybe allow discussion of the original TMNT trilogy and Archie/Mirage comics. Of course we don't need to alienate everyone and any non-OT TMNT discussion can all be held in a single "Other TMNT media" thread where anything post-1999 TMNT related can be talked about.

https://web.archive.org/web/20051215070305/http://forums.thetechnodrome.com:80/

#dromeshirts #delete #commente43didnothingwrong #whereisbenvenuto

[Redeemer]

Not only is Cubed correct yet again, but I say he is not going far enough with his post. Clearly this forum is named after "The Technodrome" of the original series. As an official drome t-shirt (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=1373) wearing member I know what I'm talking about.

Clearly many of the users we have now have not only not watched the entire OT but have never even visited thetechnodrome.com and seen this month's POTM! Most only know the forums and not what this site is a tribute to, hint: It's the original cartoon.

I remember when even discussing 2k3 was debated about, so I say we close all non-OT TMNT sections as well and that way all users will be forced to discuss the Fred Wolf cartoon only. We can maybe allow discussion of the original TMNT trilogy and Archie/Mirage comics. Of course we don't need to alienate everyone and any non-OT TMNT discussion can all be held in a single "Other TMNT media" thread where anything post-1999 TMNT related can be talked about.

https://web.archive.org/web/20051215070305/http://forums.thetechnodrome.com:80/

#dromeshirts #delete #commente43didnothingwrong #whereisbenvenuto

I think thats a bit too far :lol: I like your enthusiasm though :lol:

Unfortunately TMNT is starting to go into hibernation phase again with the current tv series winding down and the movie franchise pretty much dead. I mostly post in the Non-TMNT section or the Comic section of TMNT. Bc everything else is kind of dead or dying off.

[BubblyShell22]

Well once Rise of the TMNT starts up and we get more news on that, then discussion will come back again.

[CyberCubed]

Well most younger fans discuss TMNT on tumblr or social media. I'm honestly surprised so many people don't know how huge the Nick TMNT fandom is on tumblr. Mostly consisting of teenagers or young girls, but they're there.

Nobody comes to forums anymore.

[CyberCubed]

Tumblr is also filled with plenty of adults. I also don't have a tumblr myself I just use the tags to find TMNT stuff.

[Jester]

Nines...enough. There are better ways to disagree with Cubed than constantly calling him names.

[BubblyShell22]

People come here quite a bit. However, you also have to remember that a lot of us have lives outside of the forums and don't get on some of the time.

[The Deadman]

Well most younger fans discuss TMNT on tumblr or social media. I'm honestly surprised so many people don't know how huge the Nick TMNT fandom is on tumblr. Mostly consisting of teenagers or young girls, but they're there.

Nobody comes to forums anymore.

Pls stop

*10 characters*

[Splinter the boss]

Ge rid of the messed up sections, not the entire "non tmnt" section. I haven't watched tmnt in a while, and I still come to this forums, why? Because there are other interesting sections, like the tv and movie section, videogame section etc... It would hurt a lot of people if it got taken down as a whole.

[ProactiveMan]

I dunno man, the PD movie section has caused way more trouble than the GD board in the past. I think the problem is behavior as opposed to topic.

[snake]

Admit it, the PD board was the best thing to happen to the forums. We got an influx of new members as well as a reason to argue with them!

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Admit it, the PD board was the best thing to happen to the forums. We got an influx of new members as well as a reason to argue with them!

:tlol: I like your logic...

[Vegita-San]

Message boards are a dying breed. .

Yep. and it's mostly because people don't know how to moderate them anymore. force things too much, due to the extreme nastiness of some people, and you loose folks. Force things too little, and things get heated and out of control rather fast due to over emotional people who like to cause trouble.

Message boards where much more fun not even more than 6 years ago.

it's really rather sad.

And Facebook pages are LONG ago a lost cause. they make message boards look like a safe haven.

Probably just as easy to add them to an "Ignore" list, I would tend to think.

Ignoring only goes so far.

Once people you ignore realize you have them on ignore, they odly still try to engage you and the cycle continues. you see those quoted posts and feel the need to respond after a while and..ugh.

People come here quite a bit. However, you also have to remember that a lot of us have lives outside of the forums and don't get on some of the time.

unless it's once a thursday ;o).


too quote some popular users, I think this thread needs to be locked. ;o)....

[Andrew NDB]

Admit it, the PD board was the best thing to happen to the forums. We got an influx of new members

We got an influx of something, anyway...

http://www.1800flowerswindsorheights.flowerama.com/assets/1996/6/web_plant_a_palooza_banner_green.jpg

[TurtleWA]

Yep. and it's mostly because people don't know how to moderate them anymore.

It's a shame that people can't moderate themselves a little more and that mods are even necessary. I think it's easy to sometimes forget there is another person behind the screen opposite yours.

[Vegita-San]

It's a shame that people can't moderate themselves a little more and that mods are even necessary. I think it's easy to sometimes forget there is another person behind the screen opposite yours.

yep, but sadly i think the lack of knowing how to mod and adjust modding in this over reactive, overly sensitive world, is part of that too. but that's a tough job i wouldn't want a part in deciding.

there has to be a happy medium somewhere.

[BubblyShell22]

Well, the best thing to do is if a topic isn't something you want to discuss, don't go there. I think the mods do the best they can, but as I said before, they are just like anybody else and have lives outside of the forums that sometimes take them away from the boards. I think at times like these, we just need to look at what's being discussed and if things get out of hand, report it to the mods or just don't click on those topics if you don't like what's being said.

[TheCanadiandrome]

No, that's too draconian. We already have rules for those non-TMNT, they just need more enforcement...and I would if I could, but that sub-forum is out of my limited jurisdiction

See maybe then there needs to be more Mods/Admins or things like this need to change and you can do more. What's the point of having Mods if they can't do bugger all?

[myconius]

We got an influx of something, anyway...

http://www.1800flowerswindsorheights.flowerama.com/assets/1996/6/web_plant_a_palooza_banner_green.jpg

https://resizing.flixster.com/SRt_zscot7DErCWTlYrO_nDL-vc=/720x481/v1.bjsyMzkzNDQ7ajsxNzQ2MjsxMjAwOzcyMDs0ODE

[TurtleWA]

See maybe then there needs to be more Mods/Admins or things like this need to change and you can do more. What's the point of having Mods if they can't do bugger all?

I wonder where mods/admins even come from. Craigslist? How they get the gig in the first place?

[Vegita-San]

the mod fairy, between 12AM and 2AM, duh..

[Prowler]

I wonder where mods/admins even come from. Craigslist? How they get the gig in the first place?
I'm guessing due to 3 main factors:

- Being a good and reasonable poster;
- Being on good terms with the staff;
- Being a veteran user.

[CyberCubed]

Machias is basically head mod of the entire forums now, isn't she? She's been around for over 15 years.

[Prowler]

Machias is basically head mod of the entire forums now, isn't she? She's been around for over 15 years.
Yeah, I think so. After the admins/founders Shredder and Krang, she is the user with the most authority around these parts, I believe.

[TurtleWA]

I'm guessing due to 3 main factors:

- Being a good and reasonable poster;
- Being on good terms with the staff;
- Being a veteran user.

Are you saying mods became members first and then got asked to become a mod?

[CyberCubed]

Jester became a mod only a few years ago and he's been here since 2004, so over 14 years. But that's because Jester used to be very active on the forums before he became a Dad and was a hardcore TMNT fan for many years. And a fan of all the cartoons and comics. Jester was so hardcore he achieved mod status.

[Prowler]

Are you saying mods became members first and then got asked to become a mod?
Yes. That's usually how it goes in forums. Admins are the people who found a forum and then they recruit members as moderators as the forum grows.

[TurtleWA]

Yes. That's usually how it goes in forums. Admins are the people who found a forum and then they recruit members as moderators as the forum grows.

This is the only forum I'm a part of so I don't know a lot about the inner workings. That makes sense though.

[TheCanadiandrome]

This is the only forum I've been a part of where the inner workings hardly work lol

[***First of Two Latin Kings***]

Jester became a mod only a few years ago and he's been here since 2004, so over 14 years. But that's because Jester used to be very active on the forums before he became a Dad and was a hardcore TMNT fan for many years. And a fan of all the cartoons and comics. Jester was so hardcore he achieved mod status.

If that's true though, that's ridiculous. Being a hardcore fan doesn't qualify you to be a moderator any more than it would qualify you to be a plumber, electrician, or accountant. Being a moderator requires an ability to solve disputes fairly and diplomatically.

I was a moderator when we had the Volcanic Asteroid, and because people didn't respect the authority Krang had given me and I only had moderation abilities for that section, it didn't last long. People who didn't agree with the decision to make me a moderator purposefully tried to cause problems/havoc.

@CanadianDrome: What are you even talking about?

[Vegita-San]

If that's true though, that's ridiculous. Being a hardcore fan doesn't qualify you to be a moderator any more than it would qualify you to be a plumber, electrician, or accountant. Being a moderator requires an ability to solve disputes fairly and diplomatically.


perhaps. but i got to stick up for jester on this one. he's one of the saner mods i've come across over various forums. got no beef with him :).

some mods are down right antagonistic, and no better than the people causing problems on said forums that you go to them for help with. some will even stick up for those types of people because of hollywood connections, or other reasons, causing said forum to become a miserable place. i just left one of those recently.

[ToTheNines]

If that's true though, that's ridiculous. Being a hardcore fan doesn't qualify you to be a moderator any more than it would qualify you to be a plumber, electrician, or accountant. Being a moderator requires an ability to solve disputes fairly and diplomatically.

Serious question: are you retarded?

[The Deadman]

If that's true though, that's ridiculous. Being a hardcore fan doesn't qualify you to be a moderator any more than it would qualify you to be a plumber, electrician, or accountant. Being a moderator requires an ability to solve disputes fairly and diplomatically.

I was a moderator when we had the Volcanic Asteroid, and because people didn't respect the authority Krang had given me and I only had moderation abilities for that section, it didn't last long. People who didn't agree with the decision to make me a moderator purposefully tried to cause problems/havoc.

@CanadianDrome: What are you even talking about?

You don't become a mod because you're a super fan....

[CyberCubed]

Maybe the current events section needs to be closed down. Keep the TV/movies section, Videogames, and maybe the Everything Else forum. Close the rest of it down.

[Powder]

Like I said on page one. I dunno how it hasn't been done already.

[newfan]

I'm guessing all threads but those are public, except those in groups?

[Coola Yagami]

Just keep em. If you can't take the heat, stay out of that kitchen. I barely ever visit the current event forums so I'm not getting triggered and calling for a safe place.

Drama only works if someone starts it and if someone is looking for it. Break the chain and you end the drama.

[Vegita-San]

Just keep em. If you can't take the heat, stay out of that kitchen. I barely ever visit the current event forums so I'm not getting triggered and calling for a safe place.

Drama only works if someone starts it and if someone is looking for it. Break the chain and you end the drama.

hence why the ignore button is your best friend of defense. you don't have to see the constant nasty insults. if only people used it both ways.

[Coola Yagami]

hence why the ignore button is your best friend of defense. you don't have to see the constant nasty insults. if only people used it both ways.

Or get a thicker skin... or you know, just don't visit that forum.

[Vegita-San]

thicker skin only works to an extent. if people are constantly nasty, constantly insulting, constantly looking for a fight, that'll wear down even the toughest skin after a while.

[sdp]

Can we at least NUKE this thread (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=58951)?
My stomach turns just looking at it and the insides of it are already awful, some of the worst the drome has seen in the past decade

[CyberCubed]

More reasons why the non-TMNT sections should be shut down, threads are going out of control and people are going crazy:

The Star Wars Episode 8 thread is nothing but mindless bickering and back and forth:

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=54544&page=65

This thread about a transexual Lois Lane being cast in Supergirl speaks for itself:

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=59421

Current Events has mind boggling threads going on like this one:

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=59342

The Sexual allegations thread filled with insane posts:

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=59129

And Vegita-san being Vegita-san

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=58953


It's time, SHUT IT ALL DOWN.

http://i.imgur.com/4dLWS0W.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/NKlfvWd.png?fb


At least for a little while. It's time.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/171/866/b46.jpg

[Powder]

Once again, I agree. Maybe a temp-lock trial run?

[snake]

Shut it down. This entire site has gone down the drain in the past 2 years. It's the same f*cking 8 people arguing and quiping at each other. And it's not even fun to watch- just annoying.

[plastroncafe]

Just don't engage.
It's that simple.

[Leonardo_thebest]

So the creepo who wrote "A day in May" gets to call the shots?

How does a pedophile get to call the shots, exactly?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Stop bringing up that fanfiction.

Bringing it can be funny in a different context, but you are just using it for Ad Hominem.

[Leonardo_thebest]

What's funny about child porn, exactly?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

1. Its not child porn. No real children were involved and CyberCubed isn't a criminal for writing it (even though I personally dislike the fic itself).

2. Its still irrelevant to CyberCubed's point about the non-tmnt sections of the drome. You have no other arguement other than to use Ad hominem attacks against him.

3. You're only proving CyberCubed's point about the non-tmnt sections of the drome needing to be shut down by making a thread about Trans Lois then accusing anyone who disagrees with you as a hateful Transphobic.

[plastroncafe]

Again, y'all could have just not engaged.
Or if you needed to engage, say to counter the concept of complicity by way of silence, Then There are a multitude of ways to do that that don't implicate yourself as holding transphobic views.

I just find it funny that cubed wants the Drome closed when he is just as responsible for making provocative threads.

[ProphetofGanja]

Again, I'm gonna vote no. If you don't like the conversation taking place in a thread, just step away. It can be frustrating or hard to do, but there are better places on the Internet to engage in sociopolitical discussions if people here can't be civil.

Currently I only read the IDW comics and the updates regarding Rise of the TMNT are few and far between so I enjoy having other topics to discuss on the site, as long as peple can keep it light. Maybe we need new/more mods here or a revamped set of rules to enforce appropriate behavior

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Close them down? When we all get along so well?

[plastroncafe]

Right?
Like limiting the places where we disagree is going to keep us from disagreeing.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

There are a multitude of ways to do that that don't implicate yourself as holding transphobic views.

So expressing the opinion that Lois Lane shouldn't be trans is hateful and "transphobic", but then you calling the people who disagree bastards and LeonardoTheBest constantly raving against other members by personal attacks is A-ok?

I mean, I know not everyone will agree on everything, but this is just crazy.

[plastroncafe]

The Latin line is a quote from a book and now Emmy award-winning television series.

I posted it because someone new/quiet on the forums posted something and was Dogpiled because of it.
And I wanted to let them know that they were welcome regardless of the Dogpile.

Now, from where I'm standing if you weren't advertently trying to grind them down then you aren't one of the stated bastards.
So there's no reason to be offended.

I think there's a way to express an opinion that doesn't turn your opinion into an all-knowing value judgment.
It takes a certain level of finesse, a level of finesse that I myself am also working on.

It's the difference between having a contrary opinion and being a s#itposter.

For example:
This movie didn't work for me because of these reasons.

Vs.

This movie sucks and anyone who likes it is too stupid to realize how bad a movie it was.

Liking Lois Lane the way she is is not inherently transphobic, but the mere suggestion that a trans woman could play her at some nebulous point in the future by saying that a man shouldn't be allowed to play that character is transphobic.

[Machias Banshee]

No, that's too draconian. We already have rules for those non-TMNT, they just need more enforcement...and I would if I could, but that sub-forum is out of my limited jurisdiction

I wanted to bump this post up to present. Since there's been a lot of comments about the amount of moderating happening here.

Let me tell you a story...

Back in early 2001-2 (I think), there was a group of us that lived on the forums constantly. We were a tight knit group that helped new members, troubleshoot posting issues, and were the official welcoming party and mango distributors of the forum. As the forum grew, Krang and Shredder asked us if we'd be willing to help. We'd gotten to know each other, we were an upbeat group, and the drome had a good reputation throughout the fandom. The place was growing in popularity, so we agreed to help.

Becoming a moderator is more than just fandom. It took positive, patient people that could settle disputes and keep the peace. If there was a dispute, we'd talk it out in a post or PM and that was it. Back then, we didn't have the kind of hostility and faction-fighting that we have now. People were expected to moderate their behavior. And they did...

Now, most moderators have moved on. We added Jester because he was a positive, outgoing guy that was genuinely like throughout the forums, and was good at keeping the peace in the threads.

The only Supermoderators now are me and GK, and unfortunately, we're both pulled away due to work/life. I am trying to get Jester up to Supermod status, so that he's not stuck monitoring and unable to do anything. He would be able to check accounts, manage threads in all the forums, research IP addresses, and warn/ban people when necessary.

We have been reviewing potential candidates for moderator status, but we would have to get it approved by Krang. Only Krang and Shredder have the administrative access to create Moderators.



So, in all, people need to moderate themselves. Everyone here is capable of looking at a thread and deciding not to post in it. S#itposting is a waste of energy and time and money. Krang and Shredder being gracious enough to pay the costs for hosting and data storage is the reason this place still exists.

I would hate to see them look at the fighting in the General Discussion forum and ask themselves why bother paying for constant fights and hatred. Why spend money on a forum that has gained one of the worst reputations in the fandom due to the fandom?

This forum was closed once. Many years ago. Krang had had enough, and this place was gone. It was a number of months until he decided to upgrade the forums and bring it back. Do we really want to risk that again?



Yes, the moderators are hard to come by. But look at what we deal with - Jester has a family to support. GK Has responsibilities outside this forum. I am taking care of a full time job, taking care of my household, and managing a new sports 'career'. Many of you have the same responsibilities. I'm lucky if I get on here once a month, but when I do, I read every single thread in existence. Want to discuss the upcoming series? Nope, gotta moderate a trump thread. Watch the amazing comic videos with the fandom voiceovers? Nope, another feminism good vs evil slugfest... The forum is not fun for me. It is work.

The thing that bothers me most... the little bit of free time we try to offer here to YOU the members, there's someone claiming abuse of power and that the moderators are both absent and overbearing/corrupt. The fact that I had to come on due to THIRTY reported posts in my email box... and then see the forum problems being blamed on the moderators?

Let me be clear...
We are not your parents
We are not lawyers
We are members, just like you
We want to enjoy the forums, just like you
We don't like when people fight, just like you

But we cannot control YOU.

YOU are the one that must Stop fighting.
YOU are the one that must Stop flamebaiting.
YOU are the one that must Stop trolling.


Every person that has received a warning from me gets the same message:

We can talk to you, we can help you, we can warn you, and we can ban you. Your fate is in your hands.



~Machias

[Refractive Reflections]

Well I know this will be somewhat unpopular, but I'll say it.

I don't disagree with you Machias Banshee, but maybe there needs to be a through review into these forums as to who is consistently provoking, trolling, flamebaiting, etc. And there's no better way to see that then going through the Disintegrator Unit as to assess which members frequently have posts that end up there within a given span of time (i.e. ranging from 3 months to possibly a year), while also reviewing the content of the posts. ...As the saying goes, "Where there's smoke, there's fire."

There's always going to be a spectrum of personalities and trolling/flambaiting/fighting within a given population. Ultimately though, these forums reflect what the moderators permit though, just as the atmosphere of a community is set by the community's enforcement and laws. With all due respect and not to be rude, but...if you want less headaches, take a stronger disciplinary approach. It will force individuals to think harder about their posts, knowing if there are stronger repercussions; otherwise, why would they bother to reconsider their posting behavior if things continue with the status quo?

[Andrew NDB]

It's a strange situation. It isn't 1999. It isn't even 2005, or 2010. The rules for handling these things are all different now. Message boards are a side thing now, divorced from the immediate and larger satisfaction of reaching a bigger (if traded for a much more fleeting) audience on social media. I go on Facebook, there's been times I get hit with an invite to some TMNT group that's huge, 3000 active members and has been around for 5 years and I've never heard of it. Stuff like this hits like a kidney punch, out of nowhere, and I'm a guy who's made message boards that are still out there. They're dying everyday. I don't wholly understand the reasons why, but message boards are (this is also compounded on a forum like this one that has 10 year old software that does not allow social media integration... the upgrades are available). The days of 10 moderators banning a bunch of peeps because they posted stuff this week that got others in a tiff is largely over with because... they're passe, lest those message boards just die, earlier than they would otherwise naturally.

And then there's the fact that this is a message board that's 20 years old. Which is awesome. But when it was founded the founders were about 20-35 years old and a good portion of us were all young teenagers, at best. We're not that, anymore. We're not anything close to that anymore. And message boards aren't really a draw for new folks these days.

You poke the bear on old members, you're just going to lose them. And we have. You don't upgrade the software in a 10 years, we're not going to gain any new ones. You can try and be a cutting edge 2018 message board running 2018 software that marries the old with the new social media and maybe get away with that (even then, message boards...)... but you can't be an old board running antiquated software with an old mentality holding onto a belief that this is just going to persevere into the next decade or even the next couple of years. So what do we want to do?

Back on point: banning non-TMNT sections here, in light of all of this? Insanity. You can't cultivate, let alone maintain a true community by not allowing one to happen. Removing the one thing that separates a true TMNT message board from someone replying to John James' latest post on the hippest TMNT Facebook group is the surest way to kill it faster.

[Vegita-San]

and then you just have the changing political climate.

and I don't mean politics. I mean people going out there looking to INTENTIONALLY troll and rile people up. Or the SJW that, for whatever reason, likes to rile people up with over reactionary responses, and then slink away when they get caught.

If a few of these people would get pruned from here, I think you'd find it would be alot less infighting and things would be at least a little marginally happier.

I reported one thread three times this week, because it's just there to cause trouble, and it's still there. -edit just noticed it finally got locked. but why keep it up at all? and why is the person who started it not banned when it clearly looks like they arn't going to be a good member of the community?

stuff like that I think needs to be addressed in this new age of message boards. it's just not the same climate it was 6 years ago.

[Spike Spiegel]

I'm absolutely one of those people who likes making jokes and quips, and I see that sort of thing as part of the unique appeal of this board in comparison to larger outlets like Reddit or Tumblr, where the interactions are far less personal.

It's not that hard to look at oneself individually and decide not to be an jerk about things. There's a delicate balance between playful banter and sh*tposting, and it seems like a lot of people here have forgotten that.

[plastroncafe]

Here's the thing folks, removing one or two people isn't going to change the climate of this board. Updating the software isn't going to change the climate of this board. Locking the Forum to one or two topics, like a music teacher removing bars from a xylophone, isn't going to change the climate of this board.

Actually acting like a community, and respecting the boundaries of the members of that Community, is the only thing that's going to stop the infighting. This means not purposely egging people on because you think it's fun, not going out of your way to use Buzz words and terminology cuz it makes you feel cool, and actually standing Down When someone tells you you've gone too far..

And there's not a moderation banhammer in the world that can do that.

So maybe it's time we actually listen to the mods, and police our own goddamn Behavior.
Be the change you want to see in the world.

Don't like a thread, don't post in it.
Or, if you are like me and see some forms of silence as complicity, raise your objections once and then move on.

If you can't respect the other members of the board, or yourself, at least respect the mods.

Change is the only constant, and it's time to change.

[ProphetofGanja]

I'm absolutely one of those people who likes making jokes and quips, and I see that sort of thing as part of the unique appeal of this board in comparison to larger outlets like Reddit or Tumblr, where the interactions are far less personal.

It's not that hard to look at oneself individually and decide not to be an jerk about things. There's a delicate balance between playful banter and sh*tposting, and it seems like a lot of people here have forgotten that.

I think there's also a problem caused by people misusing the term "sh!tposting" when they mean "flamebaiting". I think sh!tposting is generally more light-hearted, silly posting and flamebaiting is done expressly to offend or rile up other forum members. The definitions of words related to online affairs definitely change quickly though, so there's that

[Refractive Reflections]

Here's the thing folks, removing one or two people isn't going to change the climate of this board. Updating the software isn't going to change the climate of this board. Locking the Forum to one or two topics, like a music teacher removing bars from a xylophone, isn't going to change the climate of this board.

Actually acting like a community, and respecting the boundaries of the members of that Community, is the only thing that's going to stop the infighting. This means not purposely egging people on because you think it's fun, not going out of your way to use Buzz words and terminology cuz it makes you feel cool, and actually standing Down When someone tells you you've gone too far..

And there's not a moderation banhammer in the world that can do that.

So maybe it's time we actually listen to the mods, and police our own goddamn Behavior.
Be the change you want to see in the world.

Don't like a thread, don't post in it.
Or, if you are like me and see some forms of silence as complicity, raise your objections once and then move on.

If you can't respect the other members of the board, or yourself, at least respect the mods.

Change is the only constant, and it's time to change.

Actually you'd be surprised how removing one or two off-key bars from a xylophone (and replacing with one or two new bars that can work in harmony with the rest of the bars) can dramatically improve the overall atmosphere of a musical piece, because everytime these off-key bars make noise, the end result is jarring.


If a few of these people would get pruned from here, I think you'd find it would be alot less infighting and things would be at least a little marginally happier.

I reported one thread three times this week, because it's just there to cause trouble, and it's still there. -edit just noticed it finally got locked. but why keep it up at all? and why is the person who started it not banned when it clearly looks like they arn't going to be a good member of the community?


That's why I mentioned earlier to look at the Disintegrator Unit subforum and other locked threads, it becomes evident who the individuals are that perpetually antagonize other members here.

[plastroncafe]

Actually you'd be surprised how removing one or two off-key bars from a xylophone (and replacing with one or two new bars that can work in harmony with the rest of the bars) can dramatically improve the overall atmosphere of a musical piece, because everytime these off-key bars make noise, the end result is jarring.


I was specifically calling back to grammar school music class where bars not required for a particular piece of music were removed so as to lessen the temptation to go "off book" as it were, but this is interesting to know!

(It's entirely possible that grammar school music classes look a whole lot different now than they did when I was in attendance.)

[Leonardo_thebest]

I mean people going out there looking to INTENTIONALLY troll and rile people up. Or the SJW that, for whatever reason, likes to rile people up with over reactionary responses, and then slink away when they get caught.
If a few of these people would get pruned from here, I think you'd find it would be a lot less infighting and things would be at least a little marginally happier.
I reported one thread three times this week,
This is infuriating.

I'm, genuinely sorry, that the mods were called in, for this.

Let me make it as clear as I possibly can. I WASN'T TROLLING.
Call me whatever you want, but I honestly thought it was time to give a transwoman a shot on a mainstream show. That's it. What's so wrong with that?

Yes, i got swept up in the attacks, but I didn't go looking for attacks. I thought there might be some differences of opinion, but not massive hate and aggression.

You've all mentioned how I know, you well - yeah, I didn't post often until now, because of the bullying that goes on when you say something others don't like.
I've read old posts, and finally made two posts as of late, the last one being shut down immediately because "that movies going to suck, so who cares", followed by this. It's what I was afraid of.
But, why am I the one who should be silent?

I don't know what you'd call this guy's behavior, but reporting something because you don't agree with the politics of it, is the problem. Ignore, and move on.
It's not for the Mod to editorialize on your behalf. I'm sure it's exhausting to get an ton of email alerts because some guy is uncomfortable with typed words on a screen.
30 alerts? how many came from the same loud-mouthed bully?
It was clear to me that my offense was that the suggestion in my post was read to be so preposterous as to be outright trolling. All I can say is, look around you, the world has moved forward, and though it might be pushing the boundaries for some people, it's far from shocking to suggest, for most of us.

Again, Machias, I'm sorry this happened. I hope you have a good weekend.

[TurtleWA]

This is infuriating.

I'm, genuinely sorry, that the mods were called in, for this.

Let me make it as clear as I possibly can. I WASN'T TROLLING.
Call me whatever you want, but I honestly thought it was time to give a transwoman a shot on a mainstream show. That's it. What's so wrong with that?

Yes, i got swept up in the attacks, but I didn't go looking for attacks. I thought there might be some differences of opinion, but not massive hate and aggression.

You've all mentioned how I know, you well - yeah, I didn't post often until now, because of the bullying that goes on when you say something others don't like.
I've read old posts, and finally made two posts as of late, the last one being shut down immediately because "that movies going to suck, so who cares", followed by this. It's what I was afraid of.
But, why am I the one who should be silent?

I don't know what you'd call this guy's behavior, but reporting something because you don't agree with the politics of it, is the problem. Ignore, and move on.
It's not for the Mod to editorialize on your behalf. I'm sure it's exhausting to get an ton of email alerts because some guy is uncomfortable with typed words on a screen.
30 alerts? how many came from the same loud-mouthed bully?
It was clear to me that my offense was that the suggestion in my post was read to be so preposterous as to be outright trolling. All I can say is, look around you, the world has moved forward, and though it might be pushing the boundaries for some people, it's far from shocking to suggest, for most of us.

Again, Machias, I'm sorry this happened. I hope you have a good weekend.

Hi dude, Looking back maybe it wasn’t the best choice for your first thread. That seemed a little like trolling to create a thread surrounding a “hot button issue” right out the gate. Then admitting you have lurked and know how some members behave just appeared to reinforce the idea of trolling.

Maybe the thread could have been more understandable if you had already posted often. Or maybe were unaware of what gets some members fired up. But you admitted to lurking and still decided to post.

Not a good first impression. Maybe make some harmless TMNT posts. It is a TMNT forum. I would like to know how you selected your user name?

:tsmile:

[sdp]

Current Events needs to be nuked.

[CyberCubed]

Current Events needs to be nuked.

Reading through this thread especially is enough cause for that:

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=59113&page=13

[TurtleWA]

Reading through this thread especially is enough cause for that:

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=59113&page=13

But we have fun threads like this for example. So the entire area isn’t that bad.

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=59511

[ProphetofGanja]

Yeah let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater

[Machias Banshee]

The "His/hers/theirs" thread was getting WAY too personal. I've shut it down and moved it to the disintegrator.

The issue is not the non-tmnt sections in general, it's the hypersensitive political topics that get people escalating out of control.

If we have to reinforce the 'no politics and religion' rule that Krang initially put in place when he created the forum, then the mods and I will discuss how to move forward.

[Powder]

If we have to reinforce the 'no politics and religion' rule that Krang initially put in place when he created the forum, then the mods and I will discuss how to move forward.

Totally should. It never works.

I think the community can police itself (to an extent) when it comes to talking turtles, generalized pop culture/life, but people are far too riled up about politics/religion/social issues not to start hurling insults & whatnot.

[sdp]

The "good" discussions in Current Events like say the physical media thread can be moved to other sections without a problem. Let's be honest before it became a political section it was the RIP forum, we can just have a general RIP thread in another section. That would eliminate most of the "toxicity".

Andrew likes to troll and it's fine in the turtle sections :lol: but in the political ones it just doesn't work out. Outside of that section really the only ones that are constantly bringing up politics in a toxic way are Vegita San, LeonardoTheBest and Plastron Cafe in that order. Sumac and mrcaez(?) seem to only engage because of the previous ones. It's easy to be "triggered" I was too for a while but dialed it back quite a bit since but keeping politics "light" is a much better alternative.

I do think politics has become very divisive and it's spilled more and more into the media we consume for entertainment making it impossible not to make a political comment every once in a while but there's a difference between "This show is trying too hard to be PC" or "I really enjoyed all the diversity" and leaving it at that and ending up in an endless debate of pages in a topic about something else between 3/4 users which is just tiring.

Yes, we're all adults but when there are members who have such extreme opinions about certain things and it's not bad to post it in the appropriate threads, I think it's impossible to avoid right now as I mentioend but to continue to go on and on about them, it's what causes the toxic environment.

My 2 cents.

[CyberCubed]

Outside of that section really the only ones that are constantly bringing up politics in a toxic way are Vegita San,

Vegita-san trolls the hell out of the TV/movie section too. Anything that has to do with a women director, women actress, or anything with women in authority, he pulls the "SJW" card and goes around making degrading or derogatory comments toward women and thinks there's a "war against men" going on. And he posts about it non-stop, in the everything else section too to the point where everyone notices it.

It wouldn't be so bad if every thread was constantly derailed by it.

[Vegita-San]

i love how i get brought up first in that list. plastron and sumac are way worse than i am. I mostly stick to the tv forum anyway. and the only reason i bring it up there , is because sjw stuff ruins so many shows and movies, that it's impossible not to avoid it. and it's only going to get worse as time goes on in hollywood.

[plastroncafe]

I'm curious as to how people define toxic.

[TurtleWA]

I'm curious as to how people define toxic.

Can it be defined? Or is it more of a feeling that’s difficult to put into words? Or one of those you know it when you see it type of things? I imagine it’s not easy to be a mod. Knowing when to step in and when to let things work themselves out naturally. I wonder how long it would have taken Sumac and LeoTheBest to settle the discussion in the last thread if it didn’t get sent to the DU.

[Vegita-San]

If your first post on this site is about a topic most people think should be banned because it's too divisive, and then you bait people in other posts...I would consider that toxic.

Some things are just people not liking the current topic of conversation. but the conversation itself is rather civil. i wouldn't call that toxic...but it would be easier if those types ignored the stuff they didn't like rather than combat with it.

i'm just glad i'm not running things as a mod. unless it's rather obvious that the person is there just to troll or cause trouble..it's rather tough sometimes to find the genuine people, and the people who like to poke the bear like andrew, but otherwise might be interested in the topic.

[sdp]

Now I know you reading this are not toxic, you have the facts, the morality and clearly the correct way of thinking, so you must make it clear that the other person that they're incorrect and constantly bring it up in other threads. If you fit in this category, you're toxic.

I don't like to get political because my political views are widely different, over the past few months I accidentally got into more and more political topics until I realized I was being toxic. I started to clean my act up because no one wants all this baggage in every other thread no matter how many people I may feel I am correcting in their wrong views. As I mentioned it's impossible to keep politics out of certain discussions since many shows have indeed become very political but there's ways to be more concise and agree to disagree with it that doesn't end with endless debates.

I apologize for singling out people in the previous post since it's likely unfair and I used to enjoy posts from most of those people before things got bad. This place isn't getting any bigger or better moderated so why not make the best of it auto modding ourselves.

[Andrew NDB]

The "His/hers/theirs" thread was getting WAY too personal. I've shut it down and moved it to the disintegrator.

The issue is not the non-tmnt sections in general, it's the hypersensitive political topics that get people escalating out of control.

If we have to reinforce the 'no politics and religion' rule that Krang initially put in place when he created the forum, then the mods and I will discuss how to move forward.

I don't fault the shutting down of the "His/Hers/Theirs" thread at all... but that's not politics.

[newfan]

Obviously it's hard not to clash with sensitive subjects, they can be very personal to people and I don't have a perfect answer here, but maybe it's realising when it's escalating too much (becoming too personal between particular members)and not going to get resolved.
When an argument is put across in a non aggrieve manner I will be reading the points being made, where I see an attacking/insulting post, I find that can overshadow the points being made.

[CyberCubed]

Vegita-san's current signature is this:

'Wrong, April. We've Been upgraded to Women hating TROLLS'

And between his constant thread de-railing, he's easily the most toxic and troll like person on the forums right now. At least everyone else has some tact.

[Leonardo_thebest]

Vegita-san's current signature is this:

And between his constant thread de-railing, he's easily the most toxic and troll like person on the forums right now. At least everyone else has some tact.

Sumac's signature is equally obvious:
"Let's add some poison, shall we?"

[Redeemer]

I'm curious as to how people define toxic.

I think it depends on who you ask :lol:

[Leonardo_thebest]

It's tough to figure out for sure. :roll:


I like that you use science as your personal whore.

[Sumac]

Sumac's signature is equally obvious:
Your first post on this forum was basically attempt to rile up as much feathers as possible, while you were pretending to be an innocent wide-eyed victim. Totally not toxic. Especially after you have buried thread about pronounce discussion.

Look after yourself and concentrate less on what people have in their signatures, little nuisance.

[Vegita-San]

Your first post on this forum was basically attempt to rile up as much feathers as possible, while you were pretending to be an innocent wide-eyed victim. Totally not toxic. Especially after you have buried thread about pronounce discussion.
.

and using terms like cis bro to bait people in other threads. why people like this are not banned instantly is something else that needs to be brought up at the next mod meeting. it's pretty clear they are nothing but trouble.

I think it depends on who you ask :lol:


Obviously. although in some cases, all you have to do is read and even without tone, through the souless texts of the internet, you can kind of judge a persons intentions just by how they reply to people. like telling someone to STBeepU just because you don't like what they say. that's not exactly a happy person.

OR calling someone a woman hating troll, despite posting pretty much exactly the same type of stuff what the person you just called out as being posts.... that's not so much toxic as it is a little coo coo..

[Leonardo_thebest]

There was ZERO intent to rile people up. There was an attempt to see how people would react, but I didn't expect such a negative reaction.
The two of you are too much. You attacked me I fought back. You don't like being called names, then don't instigate.
Respect goes a long way.

[sdp]

Toxic thread in 3...2...1..

There was ZERO intent to rile people up.

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=59592

Yeah, I know I know, this thread is "stirring the pot",


Why are guys like Vegital-san and Sumac so angry? They seem to be part of a growing wave of hatred for women, and the LGBTQ community.

Guy's? Real talk. Why so much anger? I really don't think you need a dick to play ghostbuster, do you?
It don't make sense.

I'm curious as to how people define toxic.


it's just unbridled entitlement.

Okay, we're going to take a little break... just because someone doesn't like the same thing you do, doesn't make them a bigot or racist or sexist or whatever phobic. People need to take a breath...

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

https://media.giphy.com/media/VOq7iem25Z94Y/giphy.gif

[plastroncafe]

This will be nice practice for everyone to show the mods that we can behave like adults..

So now all The Usual Suspects have to do is behave like adults.

[Vegita-San]

Toxic thread in 3...2...1..



yep, not toxic or baiting at all.... silly us and our theories :).

can't you all just feel the valentines day love in the air ;o).

[Leonardo_thebest]

yep, not toxic or baiting at all.... silly us and our theories :).

can't you all just feel the valentines day love in the air ;o).

Come and talk it out, you'll feel better. This is the olive branch.
It's okay. You'll see, we're not that scary.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Toxic thread in 3...2...1..

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=59592

I am not gonna touch that thread with a ten foot pole!

The moment any thread has people claiming that others are toxic, nuke it into oblivion till the points its forever uninhabitable. (aka the disintegrator unit).

[plastroncafe]

I am not gonna touch that thread with a ten foot pole!

The moment any thread has people claiming that others are toxic, nuke it into oblivion till the points its forever uninhabitable. (aka the disintegrator unit).

Don't worry, it's just a thread about Ethics in ComicBook Storytelling.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Don't worry, it's just a thread about Ethics in ComicBook Storytelling.

Judging from the posts I saw sdp quoting, looks more like this to me.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/proxy/Rsaup7qeMDRFzXXXgPwDPT3Ycwd6rVcnx14QauVwW9z64ukrxi uz7Nu9y8jEpmeXB52t8-GHDg=w443-h332-nc

[plastroncafe]

Judging from the posts I saw sdp quoting, looks more like this to me.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/proxy/Rsaup7qeMDRFzXXXgPwDPT3Ycwd6rVcnx14QauVwW9z64ukrxi uz7Nu9y8jEpmeXB52t8-GHDg=w443-h332-nc

Half of those aren't even in the thread in question though.
They're cherry picked from other discussions.

I'm still waiting for folks to define Toxic for me.
Which is a quote from this thread.

[Leonardo_thebest]

I have FAITH we can do this.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Half of those aren't even in the thread in question though.
They're cherry picked from other discussions.

I'm still waiting for folks to define Toxic for me.
Which is a quote from this thread.

Fair enough with the first point.

As for toxicity, I don't believe there is any such thing aside from the stuff emitted by snakes, Just a new label people these days have used to describe what they believe to be wrong and must be censored.

I imagine its because outright banning someone for saying something wrong would be considered a violation of Freedom of Speech, so we have created all these exceptions/loopholes like hate speech, Freedom of Speech is not free, toxic. Basically: "You can say anything you want, as long as it is acceptable." Not that I'm against it or anything, I believe its only natural that people will want to surpress what they consider to be immoral.

[Leonardo_thebest]

To be fair, I've been edited here precisely because you didn't like what I had to say. If we're actually doing free speech, the mods wouldn't be rung 30 plus times, and we'd have no disintegrator unit.

[plastroncafe]

Fair enough with the first point.

As for toxicity, I don't believe there is any such thing aside from the stuff emitted by snakes, Just a new label people these days have used to describe what they believe to be wrong and must be censored.

I imagine its because outright banning someone for saying something wrong would be considered a violation of Freedom of Speech, so we have created all these exceptions/loopholes like hate speech, Freedom of Speech is not free, toxic. Basically: "You can say anything you want, as long as it is acceptable." Not that I'm against it or anything, I believe its only natural that people will want to surpress what they consider to be immoral.

Unless is the US Government doing the censoring, there's precious little that's a violation of the First Amendment. What a lot of people confuse with Free Speech violations are really just communities creating and maintaining their own standards of decorum.

The Mods could easily make a rule saying: We will ban anyone who uses SJW or FanBro, and they'd be well within their rights to do so.

That's not violating anyone's Free Speech.

[Sumac]

Come and talk it out, you'll feel better. This is the olive branch.
It's okay. You'll see, we're not that scary.
No ones is scared.
People just don't want to waste their time on you.

[Leonardo_thebest]

No ones is scared.
People just don't want to waste their time on you.

The thread has a lot of interest.
Everybody's getting along, but you.

[Machias Banshee]

Know what, you two both need to step back and stop instigating the hell out of each other.

Right now. I'm seriously sick of your back and forth bickering. And yes, I'm saying this out in public...

Knock it off.


~Machias

[CyberCubed]

It's 5 years later and I think they should be shut-down.

[IndigoErth]

While I'm not fond of the behavior threads in certain sections tend to inspire... nah. Having non-TMNT sections is at least the equivalent of putting out snacks so people will still hang out a bit while there is next to no Turtles stuff to talk about.

[Autbot_Benz]

No the TV and Movie section get lots of use on this forum its literally what's keeping this forum alive

[IMJ]

Talk about banning talk is pathetic and a cop out. Like cancel culture for the life-angry.

[sdp]

It doesn't matter, the 'usual suspects' are going to bring up politics in any thread in the TMNT only sections as well, they already do.

[Vegita-San]

just because it's different doesn't make it better. school shootings on the rise. SJW's run amock... political divide worse than ever. Politics in EVERY aspect of life.

Give me the simple 80s any day....when you knew what was what.

[Vegita-San]

While I'm not fond of the behavior threads in certain sections tend to inspire... nah. Having non-TMNT sections is at least the equivalent of putting out snacks so people will still hang out a bit while there is next to no Turtles stuff to talk about.

or at least nothing WORTH talking about. Ever since Laird sold the company, all hope for tmnt was lost.. the moment michael bay was mentioned, you knew the direction they wanted to take things...

Even IDW has gone down hill...and that was the shining bright spot.

[Leo656]

Even IDW has gone down hill...and that was the shining bright spot.

Even though I personally never thought IDW was half as good as people swore it was, one of the most heartbreaking things to me was having SO many people who used to try SO hard month after month to sell me on the book - "You REALLY gotta start reading it, man, it's the only TMNT thing worth caring about!" and so on - gradually drop off one by one and even leave the forum entirely over it. "It WAS the only TMNT thing worth caring about, and I loved it... but it's been awful ever since #100 and I just don't think it's ever gonna get better, and I just can't deal with it anymore."

((Pours one out for Cylons))

Real shame. But yeah, for me TMNT died with the Nick sale. Anybody who still gives a sh*t is a fool or a sadist. Keep liking the old stuff, the old stuff will always be there, but anyone who thinks anything truly good is EVER coming out again from this franchise simply hasn't been paying attention.

[Andrew NDB]

While I'm not fond of the behavior threads in certain sections tend to inspire... nah. Having non-TMNT sections is at least the equivalent of putting out snacks so people will still hang out a bit while there is next to no Turtles stuff to talk about.

Exactly that. And to use the same metaphor, it'd be like people buying their tickets to see a movie at the theater that's already been out for years pointing a finger at the concession stand going, "I don't eat concessions, I just want to go and see the movie. Can we get rid of the concessions?"

[Leo656]

I mean is it really SO bad that a bunch of 40-year olds who've "known" each other for years want to talk about stuff that's deeper than cartoons? I mean c'mon.

I get that some people are all about "escaping from the real world" but nobody forces them to click on any threads. And there's an Ignore function nobody seems to use that would prevent seeing any posts from "the usual suspects".

Whenever I skim other forums based on cartoons where nobody's allowed to discuss anything BUT said cartoons... it comes off kind of sad, to be honest. Like it's JUST a bunch of middle aged people gushing about toys and cartoons, without anything else to give balance or show they have anything else to them as people, and it reads like a bunch of stunted manchildren having a picnic. Even if you KNOW these people have to have deeper thoughts and feelings than just that, if all you see of them is the toy and cartoon stuff it just really makes them seem like simpletons even if you know better.

[IndigoErth]

Those the sorts of forums that have a fit if it goes off topic for a bit? Always hated that sort -- I mean calm down, eesh.

Give me the simple 80s any day....when you knew what was what.
Well, not like the 80s didn't have some of this and other stuff going on, too, we were just too young to be aware of much. Our parents were only saved by lacking the internet to argue about it on.

[Leo656]

Eh kinda. Like I actually don't skim too many at all - no time or patience - but the He-Man boards are one example. Everyone there is "well-behaved" to a fault, but it's also in part because you get NO leash from the Mods at all, they have a Warning/Infraction System that is heavily enforced with no leeway whatsoever.

Like, I got an infraction last year for going off-topic in a thread, like they had two separate threads about a possible He-Man movie, one about the movie itself and one just speculation/wishful thinking about the casting of such a movie. And naturally, there's a lot of crossover in such a conversation because that's how people talk. But at one point too many people were saying stuff like "Y'know who'd be good?" in the "regular" movie thread, and one of the Mods came in with "This is a reminder to keep all casting speculation/discussion in the designated Casting Speculation Thread." And then it inevitably drifted away again, because how can you NOT talk about a movie without also talking about the cast? And does it NEED to be strictly in its own thread? But in any case, the next day I (and a few others) logged on to be told via PM, "You have received one infraction for ignoring the Mods' request to keep all casting discussion in the designated thread. This infraction will be removed in 12 months if no other infractions are given. Three combined infractions will result in being Banned permanently from the forum."

It wasn't JUST me who got slapped, and the Mod actually apologized to me via PM for "having" to do it, but it's like yeesh, that's a bit draconian.

Their profanity filter is even more strict than this one, like you can't mention Dick Van Dyke or it just comes out as "**** Van ****" for example. :lol: Talking about Dick Grayson or Dick Tracy is a chore, because you're "not supposed to" try and bypass the profanity filter, but some of us just type it as "D!ck" if we're just speaking about someone's name. They've got a whole ton more censored words than we do, and like, saying something is "woke" is grounds for a Temp Ban at the least. It's a REALLY heavy-handed system. And I understand it, but I don't especially like it.

The purpose, apparently, is because they want to maintain it as a purely "family-friendly" forum, since supposedly some people browse it with their kids. I don't fully buy that, because we've heard that same chestnut here off and on but I don't really believe it; little kids don't go on forums and no parent is sitting there scrolling a forum with their young kid in their lap, and if they are then that kid can't read anyway because they're too young.

The other point is supposedly to "prevent and alleviate fights", but that also seems pretty chickensh*t to me because the He-Man fanbase skews 5-10 years older than the TMNT fanbase does, I mean there's people there pushing 50. So if they can't take a poke or a jab on a message board they might be a bit hypersensitive. I know one guy in particular is; every time anyone disagrees with them about anything, they go cry to the Mods about "harassment", to the point where the staff were like, "Either put people on Ignore or take a break, the fact people don't agree with you isn't harassment, people are allowed to have different opinions." They don't really contribute to anything, either; most of their posts are only to say they "absolutely love" something, or to reply to someone else with "I absolutely agree with everything you say!" And they do this in dozens of threads at once, every single day. And sometimes people are like, "Either tone it down or say something else." And whattya think they do? Cry to the Mods. Total manchild. Seems like a nice person, but the thinnest skin I've ever seen and it's VERY annoying.

Thankfully, most people are not That Guy, and in fact a lot of people are like, "Can we maybe lighten up a little bit with these restrictions? Everyone here is a grown adult and most of us are middle-aged." But they're like, "We need to make it a safe place for everyone." They do have a Restricted area where supposedly they allow off-brand topics like current events and things of controversy, but you have to specifically ask to be added to it and I can't be bothered. I know nobody there can handle me at full blast.

So I mean, it's a good place to talk about toys and cartoons... but JUST that. So I don't really interact there much because it's just very handcuffing to know that you can get Banned if you thread-drift a bit too much.

Like most places with "rules", I understand them while also thinking it's bullsh*t. Let adults talk like adults. Can't take it, find your Safe Space. Social media has no shortage of echo chambers and places where "You can't say that". I can't be around kids, and I can't be around "adults" who insist on acting like kids. Just the way I am.

[Coola Yagami]

This forum would literally die without them so no, keep them open.

[Coola Yagami]

It doesn't matter, the 'usual suspects' are going to bring up politics in any thread in the TMNT only sections as well, they already do.

Mostly because politics have started to invade the series, woke politics.

[Leo656]

We could just send Shark_Blade to the Ukranian border and the collective Forum IQ would shoot up 700 points.

[Vegita-San]

This forum would literally die without them so no, keep them open.

yep.

And now that we are at least SOMEWHAT allowed to talk things, so long as they stay in their own area, that don't go against the democrats....it helps to have open, non heated discussion on things, now that certain people are gone...

places like He-man.org are all democrat sided, so any REAL talk is gone. those usual suspects will jump in and ree all over the place. and eventually I decided to leave, and havn't been there in over a year now. There's not much interesting going on with he-man anyway that can't be covered here, so why bother just to get abused?

and as you also stated, politics is in EVERYTHING now. I'm surprised it hasn't invaded sesame street yet considering how bad it is. that's one reason why I support 'don't say gay'... keep kids out of this mess. they'll have plenty of time to be brainwashed when they enter their teens with politics and all other crap.


say what you will about the 'quality' of 80's shows. but at least they where actual shows. even ones that starred hulk hogan and mr.t. and where just stupid fun. lets get back to that.

[Vegita-San]

Like most places with "rules", I understand them while also thinking it's bullsh*t. Let adults talk like adults. Can't take it, find your Safe Space. Social media has no shortage of echo chambers and places where "You can't say that". I can't be around kids, and I can't be around "adults" who insist on acting like kids. Just the way I am.

Except for the last sentence.. as I love being around kids being the oldest of about 7 in the family (cousins, not siblings)...

One reason why I like it here more than there. people seem a bit calmer, a bit more intelligent. and things are a bit looser. I know I can talk real without setting someone off.. and if I do, they are probably on ignore.

and if I don't set someone off, I Get to hear a logical repor' on the other side of the aisle. the way it should be.

[IndigoErth]

But at one point too many people were saying stuff like "Y'know who'd be good?" in the "regular" movie thread, and one of the Mods came in with "This is a reminder to keep all casting speculation/discussion in the designated Casting Speculation Thread." And then it inevitably drifted away again, because how can you NOT talk about a movie without also talking about the cast?
Who is it even run by, the humorless, emotionless, strictly business office worker types who really don't know how humans work, only office procedures and legal forms? "Conversation A should only be filed using Tread 2b in accordance with the rules established by the Administrator."


or it just comes out as "**** Van ****"
:tlol: You did what to a van??



edit: Probably the only infraction I've ever had on a forum, and ridiculously stupid at that... I was new to a small game server and its forum (that I'd never posted on) and didn't really understand the layout of it. I was having an issue I was trying to figure out and had searched the forum for any clues. I found a thread via search (and had no clue what section it was from) that seemed to be about the same issue or really similar so I posted a reply. And got a 2 week ban for it and was my first post. :tgrumble: If I was an older user who understood the layout of their forum, fine... but the new person who obviously isn't spam or purposely doing anything wrong and could just be informed to make a new thread and warned of the rules in that section? Come on. Got no help on the issue, just bureaucratic rudeness. (Ironically they later invited me to be a GM in game...)

[Coola Yagami]

It just feels like the woke left just wants to run everyone off the internet until it becomes one big leftist echo chamber.

This is one of the few places you're not forced to blindly agree with the current narrative without getting banned.

[IndigoErth]

But if you don't agree with the rightest echo chamber around these parts, that keeps being shoved into other threads by some people, you witness a blind, double standard meltdown. And all I have to say about that right here in this section...


Anyway... non-TMNT threads are the Tostitos party ad of the forums.

EoJGyAbpurg

[Vegita-San]

It just feels like the woke left just wants to run everyone off the internet until it becomes one big leftist echo chamber.

This is one of the few places you're not forced to blindly agree with the current narrative without getting banned.

yep. one reason why I left the he-man forum. try to bring up reasonable support about #45, and you're ree-d into silence. not ways to run things.

I like hearing things about both sides. so long as they are reasonably presented.

[mrmaczaps]

All the fun threads get shutdown early anyways. Lol

[Andrew NDB]

I wish Voltron hadn't closed down the "Theybies" thread. It was party time in there.

[The Deadman]

It's 5 years later and I think they should be shut-down.

What for? People arent allowed to talk about topics that dont pertain to the Turtles? If that's the case, the forum dies and everyone migrates to Discord.

[frank_one]

Fun fact: this thread is not about Turtles and it is being used by certain members to explain how non-Turtles threads are useless. That's quite contradictory to me.

[Andrew NDB]

If that's the case, the forum dies and everyone migrates to Discord.

Well... one of those two things will happen, at least.

[Leo656]

Who is it even run by, the humorless, emotionless, strictly business office worker types who really don't know how humans work, only office procedures and legal forms? "Conversation A should only be filed using Tread 2b in accordance with the rules established by the Administrator."


I actually get along pretty well with most of the Staff and am FB buddies with a few of them. It's more the site owner, also a nice guy, but he just wants to keep the place as PG-rated and conflict-free as possible. It doesn't help that he has a close relationship with Mattel and as such they have a habit of monitoring the site very closely. As such, he doesn't want ANY conflicts or hassles because it could have a bigger effect than just having to Temp Ban a few nitwits.

It is what it is, I just bite my tongue a lot more over there. As it is, I got called an "edgelord" over there today because I had the audacity to say I like the Batman comics a lot more than the 90s Animated Series. So it's probably time I take another week off. I almost quit a few times, but just like here, every time I do that I get a bunch of PMs begging me to stay.

[IndigoErth]

I guess having close contact with the toy company makes sense for being touchy about things... Now the edgelord name calling for comics vs cartoon, what. lol

Fun fact: this thread is not about Turtles and it is being used by certain members to explain how non-Turtles threads are useless. That's quite contradictory to me.
True... true...

I guess they aught to go make the TMNT sections so active that they outshine the rest so they look pointless in comparison and prove it to us. I'll wait.

[Leo656]

I just pointed out that the Batman comics I read and fell in love with when I was 5 were a lot darker and more violent than the stuff the cartoons did later on, so I was already "spoiled", and so the cartoon - great as it was - would never be the "definitive Batman" to me the way some of those people said it was to them. I read "R-rated" Batman all the time as a little kid, PG Batman cartoons weren't going to be my "definitive version" of the character no matter what. None of that is my fault!

Some people were fine with it. One person said "The comics were stupid" and another guy called me an edgelord. So I just gave them a "You guys aren't as tolerant as you pretend to be, Be Better People" speech and haven't checked since then. I'll probably give it a few days, not in the mood to be called names right this minute.

I've said this about TMNT fans most often, but it applies equally everywhere: You can only expect so much "maturity" from 40-year olds who worship cartoon shows. I say that "with love", but... yeah.

[IndigoErth]

Almost makes this bunch sound mature. lol We might disagree and debate and argue about various pieces of TMNT media, but the thought of someone being deemed an edgelord or similar for preferring one version over another -- be it widely considered good or bad, dark or kiddieish -- sounds so weird. :tlol:


edit: Then again if that was via the He-Man forum then I'm forgetting they may just be casuals far as Batman goes (?) and more like debating casual TMNT nostalgic types that '87 is not the be all and end all of it. I'm sure most of us are edgelords for daring to (also) like the gritty stuff and long for series and movies aimed at older audiences someday.

[Leo656]

They tend to prefer cartoons and movies over comic books as a general rule. They also tend to skew heavily Marvel over DC.

There's really only a handful of people there I deem "difficult", and the rest are f*cking TEN times better people than the jokers in this dive. But the handful - like anywhere - can very easily walk into a room, piss in the punchbowl and ruin the entire party. And that gets tiresome for me anywhere.

I'm over-selling it, maybe. It was just really disappointing because before That happened it was actually a nice little conversation. Go figure, someone is ALWAYS going to tell me, specifically, that I'm some kind of moron for having an opinion that's different from that of "the room".

I should be used to it by now, I'm just so, so very tired of it. I wish there was ONE place I could just express an opinion and have a conversation without someone calling me a name. :ohwell:

[Vegita-San]

I actually get along pretty well with most of the Staff and am FB buddies with a few of them. It's more the site owner, also a nice guy, but he just wants to keep the place as PG-rated and conflict-free as possible. It doesn't help that he has a close relationship with Mattel and as such they have a habit of monitoring the site very closely. As such, he doesn't want ANY conflicts or hassles because it could have a bigger effect than just having to Temp Ban a few nitwits.

It is what it is, I just bite my tongue a lot more over there. As it is, I got called an "edgelord" over there today because I had the audacity to say I like the Batman comics a lot more than the 90s Animated Series. So it's probably time I take another week off. I almost quit a few times, but just like here, every time I do that I get a bunch of PMs begging me to stay.

Keep in mind, I'm willing to bet he-man might skew younger than turtles. and he could be getting alot of newer fans thanks to the CGI show. could be a conflict of generations.

But yeah. the site owner worked for mattel at a time doing comics, IIRC. so naturally, he's going to want everything to be positive. I dared to criticize the new she-ra and called noel stevenson a phony creator and boom. blew up the room heh.

still stand by that though :).

[Leo656]

Most of the more active posters there are somewhere between 45 and 55 years old, according to them. And there are a few around 40, like me.

There's a few newcomers/younger folks but by and large they have an older fanbase than TMNT. The general age here is 35-45.

[Coola Yagami]

Keep in mind, I'm willing to bet he-man might skew younger than turtles. and he could be getting alot of newer fans thanks to the CGI show. could be a conflict of generations.

But yeah. the site owner worked for mattel at a time doing comics, IIRC. so naturally, he's going to want everything to be positive. I dared to criticize the new she-ra and called noel stevenson a phony creator and boom. blew up the room heh.

still stand by that though :).

That's what happens when a beloved series doesn't really have a lot of options after so long. It would be like someone was a big fan of Dinosaucers and someone brought it back as an absolutely terrible series that ruined everything you loved about the original and all the characters. Sadly since there isn't other option in terms of new material, there will always be some faithful fans that will just take it and blindly defend it, despite it being the worst piece of crap ever put to media.

Aside from the DC comics that no one really reads when it comes to normies, She-Ra hasn't has any type of resurgence since her original show. The remake was a woke mess, but it was the only thing, even when it stuck the middle finger at the original show and Noel acted as if she created She-Ra. The rabid fanbase took it as a 'it's this or nothing' and lash out if you bash the woke shitshow because they can't understand that yes, something nothing is better until someone actually decides to make it right.

[Leo656]

You get a lot of the same arguments There as Here insofar as, "We NEED to support this New Thing because if we don't, the brand won't last FOREVER and that would be juuuust terrible!"

Preposterous. NONE of this junk is gonna "last forever", and won't even still be relevant in another 20-30 years. People who think stuff like He-Man and TMNT are still gonna be "big" when everyone who currently loves them are dead and buried are completely f*cking delusional. Even Superman and Batman have lost a ton of their relevance over the past decade, and they were once thought of as "evergreen", too. It'll take longer to see Batman fade out, but we've probably seen our last "real" Superman movie for... probably ever.

Like it or not, EVERYTHING goes away. People need to accept this.

So, no, people do not need that "Like the new thing or the brand dies!" mentality. It's only prolonging the inevitable. If the new version is bad, then let the thing in question die with grace rather than letting it slowly fester and rot. All bad reboot after bad reboot does is strip the original of whatever dignity it once had, in favor of nostalgia wank and trying to hook a "new audience" of young people who are NEVER going to give a sh*t.

[Coola Yagami]

Eh, idk. While I agree that nothing lasts forever, or well, we'll never know since we'll probably die before Batman and Superman do, but those two are probably gonna hit the 100 year mark before they fade away completely.

I mean even now we're at the beginning of another Batman movie franchise, for better or for worse. More games and whatnot are coming out featuring them, also for better or for worse.

Sadly it's the more niche franchises like the Turtles and He-Man that face the bigger risk of fading away forever during our lifetime.

[Leo656]

Oh, for sure, Superman and Batman and Spider-Man and so on will definitely be around for LONGER, but anyone who thinks even Batman will be around "forever" should ask his direct inspiration The Shadow how well that tends to work out.

Stuff like TMNT and He-Man is a pimple on the ass of pop culture insofar as relevance, comparatively. And I say that as a huge fan of He-Man and someone who once WAS a huge fan of TMNT.

Everything fades out. "We need to protect and preserve this brand for future generations!" is stupid. If they want it, they'll go find it and demand it come back, like they did with Speed Racer in the 90s. Otherwise it goes on the shelf. You can't MAKE it stick around just by supporting whatever New Crap the brand's owners fling at the wall. All that does is reward them financially for creating sh*tty things.

I mean TMNT really deserves to be shot in the back of the head, at this point. Maybe after a 20 year break someone will have an actual fresh take on the real material, the Mirage or 1990 movie type aesthetic, rather than just see the brand as something to keep 5-year olds entertained between eating their own boogers. As it is now, we're just promised nothing but Bad Take after Bad Take until Nick gets bored (and fed up with the ever-diminishing returns) and shelves it. And that's not helping anything.

I mean, sucks for us that WE'LL never get any good TMNT again in our lifetimes, but a very long break with no new content being rushed/forced out is what will ultimately prolong the brand's lifespan, if that's what's truly meant to be.

[IndigoErth]

Stop ruining my post-death bucket list plans of getting in to see TMNT movies for free if I were to find out that ghosts are real when I croak. lol Hopefully no time soon, so I require them to outlast my old age.

[Leo656]

If ghosts are real, then after I die the UCLA Women's Gymnastics Team's locker room is gonna get a LOT more interesting all of a sudden. :tgrin:

...I mean, I guess there's Your Thing too but I think mine'll be a lot more fun. :trazz:

[MikeandRaph87]

If ghosts are real, then after I die the UCLA Women's Gymnastics Team's locker room is gonna get a LOT more interesting all of a sudden. :tgrin:

...I mean, I guess there's Your Thing too but I think mine'll be a lot more fun. :trazz:

What would the ghostly form of Mrs. Roxx say to that?


Also, during lacking periods of quality content in our favorite franchise we need other things to keep the forums going and continue to bond. Before Thursday I had a mere 5 post in 5 weeks then Batman comics discussion started up and I could contribute beyond inquiring id I could enjoy The Armageddon Game and ignore the ongoing since Campbell is still attached to it.

[Leo656]

What would the ghostly form of Mrs. Roxx say to that?


I imagine she'll be busy blowing the Ghost of Johnny Depp so she'll be too busy trying to stave off Ghost Herpes and Ghost Chlamydia to give much of a sh*t, most likely. :lol:

Besides, PROVE I was even ghost-there, playa. What, you got me on camera? I'M A GHOST, BITCH! :lol:

[IndigoErth]

If ghosts are real, then after I die the UCLA Women's Gymnastics Team's locker room is gonna get a LOT more interesting all of a sudden. :tgrin:

...I mean, I guess there's Your Thing too but I think mine'll be a lot more fun. :trazz:
...you meeting fellow women ghosts who died long before and used to hang out in your locker rooms... https://c.tenor.com/SufTlaZluXAAAAAi/innocent-whistle.gif

[Leo656]

Sure, we'll go with that. :lol:

I've also reserved a little "alone time" with The Ghost of Stevie Knicks. At least, that's what SHE said. I asked her if I ever had a shot at getting into her Knicks-ers and she literally said "Over my dead body."

Sounded like a solid invite to me. I'm the Master of the Long Game. :tgrin:

[CyberCubed]

Regarding superheroes they could very well be around "forever." Look at how public domain stuff like Dracula, Frankenstein, King Arthur, ancient Gods and Myths like Zeus and Olympus, Thor (the non-Marvel version), Zorro, etc. are all still around.

Even if DC/Marvel whatever implode one day or go public domain, many of these characters have already been around for decades and have gone from the 1930's-2020's. Just think of how someone reading Batman comics in 1939 would be dead compared to someone who just watched the new The Batman movie in theaters this year. I bet in 1939 nobody believed Batman would be around nearly 100 years later in 2022.

I wouldn't be surprised if in the year 2100 all these superheroes still exist in various forms.

[IndigoErth]

The mythology is historical information of religion people once believed, not super heroes, so I'm not surprised that the information we are aware of will remain known, but no one is going to be adding to it.

Marvel's Thor won't be around forever either, unlike the history that inspired the character.

Dracula, Frankenstein, King Arthur... classic acclaimed works of literature. Will probably be forgotten eventually, but what they are preserves them long term. Zorro... not that old. Nor that big and will prob go out of memory eventually.


My wish is that someday when the Turtles have been dormant long enough to hit public domain, someone who likes pop culture history will resurrect them...and hopefully at least in some decent way and bring them to those future people for a time. If only we'd could see it and see how that would pan out.




Sure, we'll go with that. :lol:

I've also reserved a little "alone time" with The Ghost of Stevie Knicks. At least, that's what SHE said. I asked her if I ever had a shot at getting into her Knicks-ers and she literally said "Over my dead body."

Sounded like a solid invite to me. I'm the Master of the Long Game. :tgrin:
:lol: *ghost sounds*

[Coola Yagami]

If months after the Retro Rocker leaves is there are reports of female athletes saying they have felt random orgasms after being touched by some unseen force, I'm calling shenanigans.

Now if Jade Cargill comments some unseen figure gave her the best 8 seconds of her life, it's game, set, match.

[Leo656]

I promise to do my best.

[Coola Yagami]

I promise to do my best.

I mean as a ghost you wouldn't have mortal woes like stamina, so maybe it would be bumped up to 12 seconds.

[Leo656]

I'd probably still have the same problem where I could only get hard if she was crying and begging me to stop, though. That's always been a real hassle, go figure.

[Coola Yagami]

I'd probably still have the same problem where I could only get hard if she was crying and begging me to stop, though. That's always been a real hassle, go figure.

We're talking bout Jade Cargill, not Stephanie McMahon.

[Leo656]

It's always better when they're crying. It's not like that for you? Yeesh. :trazz:

:lol: Dark. That's dark stuff.

[Coola Yagami]

Eh.... IDK about crying. I'd be more like 'wtf is going on? st.... well, maybe keep going and we'll see how this plays out' kind of ghost. A friendly ghost if you will.

A lot of female wrestlers are gonna find out they're into butt stuff the day I pass.

[Leo656]

Chicks are all into butt stuff, they just lie about it. Like being gay.

Three shots of Jack in 'em and you can stick Anything, Anywhere. Disprove it!

[Prowler]

Most forums have off-topic sections.

I know this is a TMNT forum, but that doesn't mean TMNT should literally be the only subject we're allowed to discuss here. Also, OT sections help keep a lot of users who lose interest in the main subject the forums are dedicated to.

I'd probably not be here anymore if it wasn't for the OT sections where I can discuss video games and such.

I'm open to letting the Current Events sections go, though. Political discussions here are just cancerous. So what use is there for that section besides making a thread whenever a celebrity dies? You could simply start posting RIP threads in the Everything Else section. They wouldn't be out of place there.

[Leo656]

If the forum was only about TMNT stuff, there wouldn't be a forum. There's hardly anything to talk about. Right now it's the new game, but that won't last forever.

The problem is that these "adults" wanna treat this place like f*cking reddit when everyone implicitly agrees that reddit is a sh*thole for morons. But because that's since become "the standard", it trickles over into Here and nobody does anything to stop it because "Eh... internet."

I don't even think that getting rid of the Current Events Section would do any good, because even if you posted about dead celebrities in the "Everything Else" section, someone would still pop up to shout "iT wuZ teh JAB!1! WakE uP sHeEpLe!1!"
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Honestly, the Best and Worst thing to happen here was The Volcanic Asteroid. Best, because it gave people a place where the rules were a lot more lax, and they could openly discuss "controversial" topics that were forbidden on the main board. The He-Man forum has The Tar Swamp as basically the same thing.

It was also The Worst Thing here, though, because it PROVED that the people here just aren't mature enough to have those conversations at all, period. TMNT Fans Are Manchildren.

It started with the bad picks for Mods. Cure was made a VA Mod, and almost immediately, he Banned me from the section just because he didn't like me. :roll: He even included "Nyah nyah" in his PM, just to twist the knife and show what kinda guy he was. Krang wouldn't do anything about that initially, because he was trying to give the VA Mods total authority to oversee the section how they saw fit, but he hadn't counted on their bias and cronyism being put on display to such an extent. It happened to a lot of other people there, too. Eventually, enough people complained to him about my being Banned from that section for Krang to overrule Cure and reinstate me, but by then the VA was pretty much falling apart anyway and eventually it was discarded as a failed experiment. Consensus was, "I guess we really CAN'T talk like adults, after all."

It annoys me, because as I've been pointing out, Other Forums carry on just fine, much larger ones than this one is. They can have their own section for "adult" topics and not have it turn into a sh*t pit. Because they're Actually Adults and behave as such, and people know that if they act up too much they'll be paddled and sent on their way.

It just shows me what I've always suspected: You can't expect adult conversation from 40-year olds in TMNT jammies. If other people can manage, then clearly This Fanbase is the problem.

[Prowler]

Treating this place like it was reddit? Like what, adding up votes and downvotes? That would be terrible. Also, this seems to be one of the few forums left nowadays that doesn't have the "Like" feature or some sort of reputation system. And that's good. Let's not turn this place into a circlejerk.

The VA section opened shortly after I joined this place. I never got the courage to request permission to join it because I was a new user and figured I wouldn't be allowed there because the powers that be wouldn't want to risk allowing a user they didn't know yet to access such section. So I never got around to experience it.

I've been to and seen forums that are worse than this one. Even if this one has gotten worse lately.

[Leo656]

By "like reddit", I just meant that everyone is a snarky asshole trying to out-snark the next guy to "score points", which is what I've seen in my very limited time skimming there. Not literally having a "points system", just rather that everyone there is an immature asshole and it's a place where morons gather as a matter of course. Which is what this place is, now.


I've been to and seen forums that are worse than this one. Even if this one has gotten worse lately.

See, people say this to me all the time and that's horrifying. I'd rather open up both wrists than try and have a conversation in any venue that's even 1% "worse" than this place. I can't fathom why anyone would willingly submit to such behavior. "It's fun to argue, it's fun to be insulted or have people take shots at your personal life because you like different movies." Like, what?

If that's the average person's idea of "fun" nowadays, it's no wonder society on the whole is such a bunch of assholes.

[Prowler]

Because I was once young and dumb and didn't realise how ****** those places were back then. Nowadays I only post on two forums pretty much. This one and another one which isn't perfect but is also better than your average online community.

Reddit I stick to the very few communities that aren't full of idiots. Basically, the more subscribers a subreddit has m, the worse it is. The ones dedicated to niche Anime or video game series tend to be quite pleasant and non-cirlejerky, since people who join them actually want to discuss with other fellow fans.

[mrmaczaps]

Because I was once young and dumb and didn't realise how ****** those places were back then. Nowadays I only post on two forums pretty much. This one and another one which isn't perfect but is also better than your average online community.

Reddit I stick to the very few communities that aren't full of idiots. Basically, the more subscribers a subreddit has m, the worse it is. The ones dedicated to niche Anime or video game series tend to be quite pleasant and non-cirlejerky, since people who join them actually want to discuss with other fellow fans.

Reddit is a cesspool of inbreds. I lurk but don't post & saw a dude comment about an actress being beautiful except for her pit hair (in one of 10 pics), expressing a simple opinion and they vilified the post. Lol.

[Leo656]

I do not tolerate for one second the glorification of female armpit hair in recent times. It's f*cking awful, you lazy skanks.

I frankly think pit hair is gross on ANYONE but there's nothing worse than a sexy lady with Armpit Bush. And it smells bad. When I was a trainer, more and more women would come into the gym with hairy pits and once they started to sweat they smelled like f*cking stale Burger King. Just awful.

I have to shave my whole torso once in a while for wrestling so I know it's a pain in the ass, but it takes less than two minutes to drag a razor over your pits, and like 30 seconds if it's an everyday habit. Deal with it, ladies.

"But Beauty Standards This and The Patriarchy That and I Shouldn't HAVE To and Blah Blah Blah." Knock it off, it's gross, have some f*cking consideration for the people around you. Being gross on purpose because you're lazy is bad manners, plain and simple.

[Prowler]

But OTOH, many of those same women probably want men to shave their legs and arms and wax their chest.

I refuse to shave my body hair. **** that. I'm a man.

[Coola Yagami]

Hard pass. My hair grows back fast. I'm not going to go through the 'pleasure' of waxing my chest only to have it come back literally the next day.

[Leo656]

I mean, guys are expected to be hairy and smell bad. On a woman it's inexcusable.

[IndigoErth]

Small bad? Hell no. Man stink isn't okay either, sorry. People who go around smelling like bad nachos and whatnot are gross and hard not to gag around.

I don't care what anyone choose to do with their own pits, but I don't want to see it on anyone, so if everyone either shaved or kept the arms down and deodorant on, that would be great.

[Leo656]

I said that with guys it was "expected", not "preferable". :lol: