Bond 25-Daniel Craig Steps Down As Bond [Archive]

dl316bh

08-16-2017, 01:33 PM

The only thing that surprises me is that it was up in the air this long. Daniel Craig's clearly wanted out. Regardless, five Bond films is a respectable number and around average for someone in the role.

Cool, I like him as Bond, but I thought he hated doing it. Like, vehemently.
Most do, it seems. Sean Connery hated the character. I think Pierce Brosnan was fine with the role, but I remember he admitted once he was never a hundred percent comfortable with it. Roger Moore might have liked it? I don't remember. I know he was uncomfortable with continuing to play Bond as he got older. Craig kind of fits in, in that regard.

ZariusTwo

08-16-2017, 02:14 PM

Most do, it seems. Sean Connery hated the character

He not only hated the character, he hated the Brocolis too.

Andrew NDB

08-16-2017, 03:12 PM

Perhaps the next one after can feature Jamie Bond, and reveal M (Ralph Fiennes) to be gay?

All of this news is fairly meangingless. Every Bond movie has been Daniel Craig's last one until it isn't. Filming a Bond movie is a pretty life-sucking thing, and then at the end of the day to have it not be received so well (SPECTRE) is probably pretty disheartening after sacrificing so much for it. If the next movie is super well received like Skyfall, he'll probably stay around.

dl316bh

08-16-2017, 03:31 PM

Perhaps the next one after can feature Jamie Bond, and reveal M (Ralph Fiennes) to be gay?
Eh. Why not. Might as well confirm the "James Bond is a codename" thing while they're at it. They've wanted to do that since Brosnan anyway.

All of this news is fairly meangingless. Every Bond movie has been Daniel Craig's last one until it isn't. Filming a Bond movie is a pretty life-sucking thing, and then at the end of the day to have it not be received so well (SPECTRE) is probably pretty disheartening after sacrificing so much for it. If the next movie is super well received like Skyfall, he'll probably stay around.
That's all very true, but he's definitely reached that point where most Bonds either tap out or are pushed out. It's mainly a matter of when "the last straw" was and if whatever helped him make this decision was it. They're also a super involved process where you really can't do much between films, not to mention he's been wrapped up in them for eleven years, now, probably somewhere near fifteen by the time this film happens. Only Roger Moore has been with the character longer, as of this time.

He not only hated the character, he hated the Brocolis too.
Yeah, dude was done with everything involving Bond by the end.

Andrew NDB

08-16-2017, 03:37 PM

Yeah, dude was done with everything involving Bond by the end.

He came back to voice James Bond on one of the original X-Box era Bond games. It's like the last thing he's done as an actor, ever.

dl316bh

08-16-2017, 03:42 PM

He came back to voice James Bond on one of the original X-Box era Bond games. It's like the last thing he's done as an actor, ever.
Oh yeah, a "Russia With Love" game. I remember that now. I guess a couple decades can dull the edge. Plus I doubt it was nearly as involved a process as a Bond movie, so I imagine it would have made for a much simpler paycheck.

Andrew NDB

08-16-2017, 03:43 PM

I want to believe it was like Shatner with Kirk. Eventually just... warmed up to it and embraced it in his older age.

dl316bh

08-16-2017, 03:46 PM

I want to believe it was like Shatner with Kirk. Eventually just... warmed up to it and embraced it in his older age.
Nimoy and Spock too, going with the Star Trek example; though I don't recall Nimoy being as cranky about it as Shatner got at times. It could be. Connery doesn't talk much in the public eye these days, right? I haven't seen anyone ask if his feelings have changed, or heard much about him in years.

Though James Bond was such a taboo topic with him for so long, people might just avoid it instinctively now.

ProactiveMan

08-16-2017, 10:31 PM

Eh. Why not. Might as well confirm the "James Bond is a codename" thing while they're at it. They've wanted to do that since Brosnan
People talk about that idea as though it makes sense out of Bond's continuity, but it is just as messy and contradictory as assuming he's the same guy. You have to write off references to his dead wife, his family lore, peerage, military record etc. Granted, It doesn't make less sense than a 40 year old man who's been on active service since the 1960s, but it's not as elegant a solution as internet listicles would have us believe.

Andrew NDB

08-16-2017, 11:11 PM

People talk about that idea as though it makes sense out of Bond's continuity, but it is just as messy and contradictory as assuming he's the same guy. You have to write off references to his dead wife, his family lore, peerage, military record etc. Granted, It doesn't make less sense than a 40 year old man who's been on active service since the 1960s, but it's not as elegant a solution as internet listicles would have us believe.

I do think the Craig reboot thing was a mistake, though. Bond had a certain charm in being this ageless thing... same character, different actors, continuing history, even if certain real world dates and events make older ones less possible to happen to a guy in the present day that's under the age of 80. It was fine. If they wanted to dial back the gadgets for a few movies or even tell a "younger Bond" movie or two, that would have fine, too... junking the history because the Brocollis were self conscious about Austin Powers and Jason Bourne wasn't.

snake

08-17-2017, 12:23 AM

I hope the next Bond is allowed to be fun. Austin Powers is a comedy, and it's been over a decade since it was released, so it shouldn't be able to dictate the tone of upcoming Bond movies. Even Mission Impossible learned to have fun with RN. Gritty Bond is honestly boring, and when you play it too "realistic" you end up with sh*t like SPECTRE where it almost becomes a parody of itself.

ProactiveMan

08-17-2017, 03:26 AM

I do think the Craig reboot thing was a mistake, though. Bond had a certain charm in being this ageless thing... same character, different actors, continuing history, even if certain real world dates and events make older ones less possible to happen to a guy in the present day that's under the age of 80. It was fine. If they wanted to dial back the gadgets for a few movies or even tell a "younger Bond" movie or two, that would have fine, too... junking the history because the Brocollis were self conscious about Austin Powers and Jason Bourne wasn't.

Yeah, I would prefer they just don't acknowledge time at all and just keep making more-or-less standalone movies about the same character. The worst thing they did was to reference 9/11 in Die Another Day. I know why they did it, but it's hard to come back from that. Now he's in the real world at a specific time and place.

The Austin Powers thing is funny. They were so worried about comparisons to Austin Powers and then give Spectre the same plot twist as Goldmember.

dl316bh

08-17-2017, 03:28 AM

I hope the next Bond is allowed to be fun.
Same. I've enjoyed the Craig era, but it got a little too "real", I guess, and took too many cues from what everything else was doing in the genre. I miss the wackiness, the gadgets and the like.

People talk about that idea as though it makes sense out of Bond's continuity, but it is just as messy and contradictory as assuming he's the same guy. You have to write off references to his dead wife, his family lore, peerage, military record etc. Granted, It doesn't make less sense than a 40 year old man who's been on active service since the 1960s, but it's not as elegant a solution as internet listicles would have us believe.
I guess, but I don't think it's any worse a solution than what they did, which did get kind of silly the longer it went on. But at the same time, it's a moot point, because they rebooted with Craig anyway and, for all we know, may soft reboot again.

ProactiveMan

08-17-2017, 04:08 AM

They made the reboot sort of confusing at times too though. Judy Dench was M again, so it’s almost like they were hedging their bets to pull that codename stunt, but still have it in Eon continuity if they wanted to, but then they gave Daniel Craig the OG Bond’s backstory and introduced a rebooted Blofeld. Plus the DB5 show up in Skyfall, which I though was just a funny little reference at first, but then they used it pretty extensively in the last act; goofball gadgets and all.

Andrew NDB

08-18-2017, 01:31 AM

Same. I've enjoyed the Craig era, but it got a little too "real", I guess, and took too many cues from what everything else was doing in the genre. I miss the wackiness, the gadgets and the like.

Yeah, me too. For me it's like... if all horror movies everywhere stopped being horror movies after like, the "Scary Movie" franchise started up. Why worry about that?

ZariusTwo

08-18-2017, 04:20 AM

ProactiveMan

08-18-2017, 06:01 AM

Yeah right, I remember those. It was surreal seeing Craig in Goldeneye.

dl316bh

08-18-2017, 03:29 PM

Yeah, me too. For me it's like... if all horror movies everywhere stopped being horror movies after like, the "Scary Movie" franchise started up. Why worry about that?
I don't know man. It's an unfortunate occurrence when parodies are super popular. The thing being poked fun at - even lovingly - and the people behind it get super self conscious and tend to course correct, or attempt to. It happens way too often.

See also, deconstructions that become popular, especially if they don't reconstruct by the end, and how the things being deconstructed take all the wrong lessons from it.

It was surreal seeing Craig in Goldeneye.
Oh yeah, that was a thing, wasn't it? I'd meant to play that. I don't remember why I didn't.

Shark_Blade

08-18-2017, 08:28 PM

Daniel Craig doesn't hate doing Bond. Here's why he "didn't want to do it" as explained to Stephen Colbert:

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snake

08-18-2017, 09:18 PM

I'd have no problem getting paid millions to star in the most expansive movie franchise of all time.

ZariusTwo

09-06-2017, 10:40 AM

Both Apple and Amazon have expressed interest in the Bond distribution rights, in the lead for the bid presently is Warner Bros

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/apple-amazon-join-race-james-bond-film-rights-1035539

ZariusTwo

05-25-2018, 06:19 AM

Universal Pictures will distribute the movie, and Danny Boyle is confirmed to direct

http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/james-bond-007/news/a857996/james-bond-25-danny-boyle-director-release-date-uk/

Andrew NDB

08-13-2018, 12:47 PM

Shesus christ... will everyone shut up with the "Idris Elba has been cast as _______" already? So annoying.

See?

http://www.darkhorizons.com/idris-elba-shoots-down-james-bond-talk/

It's FAKE news. And this isn't even the first time there's been FAKE news about it.

ZariusTwo

09-20-2018, 04:02 AM

Cary Joji Fukunaga (True Detective) will replace Boyle as director, movie is pencilled in for a February 14th 2020 release date

https://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/bond-25-sets-cary-joji-fukunaga-director-2020-release-date/

ZariusTwo

04-15-2019, 02:38 PM

Autbot_Benz

04-15-2019, 06:00 PM

Craig's personally requested that Phoebe Waller Bridge (Killing Eve) "liven up" the script for Bond 25.

https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a27147166/james-bond-25-news-script-phoebe-waller-bridge-daniel-craig/

And according to rumour

Bond kicks the film off in retirement, and is brought back to help his successor as 007 out of a jam...and yes, the new 007 is a woman

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6919481/Fleabag-stars-latest-creation-MeToo-makeover-James-Bond.html

#Metomorrowneverdies

They won't do it. executive producer of Bond Barabra Broccoli has stated numerous times Bond won't be a woman.

“Bond is male,” she told the Guardian. “He’s a male character. He was written as a male and I think he’ll probably stay as a male.”

https://qz.com/quartzy/1416467/produ...le-james-bond/

Andrew NDB

04-15-2019, 06:06 PM

Yeah, that rumor is FAKE news, for certain.

ZariusTwo

04-16-2019, 06:06 AM

They won't do it. executive producer of Bond Barabra Broccoli has stated numerous times Bond won't be a woman.

“Bond is male,” she told the Guardian. “He’s a male character. He was written as a male and I think he’ll probably stay as a male.”

https://qz.com/quartzy/1416467/produ...le-james-bond/

They never said Bond would be a woman (unless she's revealed as a long lost sister), it's just an agent designated as 007 in Bond's absence is one, and we don't know if that will remain the case after the movie is over, it could just be a one-and-done

Hamato Yoshi

04-16-2019, 03:17 PM

I dont think Sean really hated Bond but he did hate the direction it was headed starting with YOLT

Andrew NDB

04-16-2019, 03:19 PM

I dont think Sean really hated Bond but he did hate the direction it was headed starting with YOLT

That's my FAVORITE Bond movie of all time. Seriously.

ZariusTwo

04-16-2019, 03:29 PM

I dont think Sean really hated Bond but he did hate the direction it was headed starting with YOLT

The odd thing is, he ended up stepping down as Bond just as they were about to do one of the most faithful adaptations of the books (OHMSS) and then came back to do more of the same stuff he hated:lol: (DAF)

Hamato Yoshi

04-19-2019, 10:06 AM

1. They paid him a lot for DAF (like 1.1 mill....and he donated most of his pay to scottish school fund or something so the man cant be all bad)

2. UA financed several films besides DAF , that helped bringing him back a final time (excluding NSNA which was not by EON)

ZariusTwo

04-25-2019, 11:52 AM

Cast revealed, but no title yet

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ZariusTwo

07-14-2019, 07:42 AM

So while Bond has retired when we catch up with him in Bond 25, the 007 codename has now been assigned to the character played by Lashana Lynce. Yes, the first black 007...who's also a woman.

https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/14/lashana-lynch-will-introduced-bond-25-audiences-new-007-10287976/

Sumac

07-14-2019, 08:06 AM

It makes sense in the story, but I hope it's not a permanent change.

Besides, if anything this movie will sort of prove who is true 007, unless they nerf Bond to be a useless weight for the new "brave, stunning and unique and strong and beautiful black woman agent", which I doubt they will.

On the other hand, who knows what they will do? Bond is no longer popular as he was back in the day, so producers might think that pandering to the crazies might be a profitable way to pull franchise out of the ass. The problem that franchise in the ass, not because of the lack of "diversity", but because of horrible writing and incompetent producers themselves.

Autbot_Benz

07-14-2019, 06:05 PM

Hollywoke strikes again. why not have this chick be 008. 007 is Bond's Moniker and shouldn't be passed down to other agents.

Shark_Blade

07-14-2019, 07:51 PM

007 is a position. If James Bond died or left there would be another mi6 agent to replace him as 007.

This is an interesting move rather than the same ol Bond. A new female 007 agent is welcomed in my books. :tlove: This series gonna be a fresh new take, I’m hyped.

Mr Salk

07-14-2019, 09:58 PM

Giving OO7 to another agent is not canon. They've had OO11, so there is no numerical limit.

Shark_Blade

07-14-2019, 10:29 PM

Giving OO7 to another agent is not canon. They've had OO11, so there is no numerical limit.

In the novel You Only Live Twice, Bond was transferred into another branch and given the number 7777, suggesting there was no active agent 007 in that time; he is later reinstated as 007 in the novel The Man with the Golden Gun.

You were saying?

Also you want to discuss canon? The movies are their own canon and the novels are their own. Fact.

Mr Salk

07-14-2019, 11:02 PM

Another agency. He kept his number upon return. There have been OO female agents in several films, no reason to give someone 7 except for politics.

snake

07-14-2019, 11:46 PM

I’m putting money down that this girl is the real villain and Rami Malek is just a facade. There is no way they’re keeping her around as the next Bond.

Sumac

07-14-2019, 11:59 PM

Well, two things:
1) It's supposed to be the last Craig movie;
2) Blofield will return in this movie;

Shark_Blade

07-15-2019, 12:13 AM

Another agency. He kept his number upon return. There have been OO female agents in several films, no reason to give someone 7 except for politics.

Perhaps it is politic related in this movie? Might be interesting story twist.

snake

07-15-2019, 04:23 AM

Perhaps it is politic related in this movie? Might be interesting story twist.

That would require the people making these decisions to pull their heads out of their asses and write smarter.

ZariusTwo

07-15-2019, 08:32 AM

A new female 007 agent is welcomed in my books.

You had Agent Triple X in The Spy Who Loved Me, you had Jynx in Die Another Day. This isn't new you shill.

Candy Kappa

07-15-2019, 09:29 AM

I think it's interesting we're going to see the 007 code name be given to another agent in a movie that isn't the first Casino Royale starring OG Bond; David Niven.

It's be cool if she got her own standalone movie before they reboot James Bond.

Mr Salk

07-15-2019, 09:55 AM

The OO is literally a licence to kill. They don't even reuse fishing licence numbers..

oldmanwinters

07-15-2019, 10:32 AM

Autbot_Benz

07-15-2019, 12:20 PM

I bet this broad gets killed in the movie than a new GUY takes over for Craig as James Bond. No way they are gonna make this chick the new main character

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

07-15-2019, 12:33 PM

I bet this broad gets killed in the movie than a new GUY takes over for Craig as James Bond. No way they are gonna make this chick the new main character

Do you even Hollywood, bro?

Shark_Blade

07-15-2019, 06:17 PM

You had Agent Triple X in The Spy Who Loved Me, you had Jynx in Die Another Day. This isn't new you shill.

All those no names mean nothing, you shill. 007 name has the recognition and this is a good move for something new. Like it or not, it’s happening. :tcool:

Sumac

07-15-2019, 06:39 PM

All those no names mean nothing, you shill. 007 name has the recognition and this is a good move for something new. Like it or not, it’s happening. :tcool:
And you are happy about it because...?

Shark_Blade

07-15-2019, 06:58 PM

New story, new lead? Unexpected situation. What’s not to be happy?

Wait for the trailer then.

Mr Salk

07-15-2019, 09:45 PM

She had to be OO7 because James Bond is a terrible girl name and they need the title to clearly be part of the franchise. FACT.

Shark_Blade

07-16-2019, 12:22 AM

The company is out to make money, so they can do it however they think works best. Fact.

Xav

07-16-2019, 12:45 AM

New story, new lead? Unexpected situation. What’s not to be happy?How do you know she's the new lead? The rumor makes it sound like something happens to the new 007 that pulls Bond out of retirement. He could still be the focus of the film.

Shark_Blade

07-16-2019, 12:49 AM

How do you know she's the new lead? The rumor makes it sound like something happens to the new 007 that pulls Bond out of retirement. He could still be the focus of the film.

Do you not see the question mark on my statement?

snake

07-16-2019, 04:37 AM

She’s literally not the new lead. We know this.

Coola Yagami

07-16-2019, 09:35 AM

So... Are they gonna make her sleep around as much as James did? Or will she 'need no man'.

snake

07-16-2019, 09:54 AM

She’ll make comments about Bond’s toxic masculinity.

ZariusTwo

07-16-2019, 10:19 AM

All those no names mean nothing, you shill

And the point of the post goes right over your head...no surprise there.

You don't even know what a shill is. I'm not being one. You are, much like you are with everything. Usually without much elaboration.

Like it or not, it’s happening. :tcool:

Shill it all you want, the old status quo will likely resume by movie's end.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

07-16-2019, 12:15 PM

Shill it all you want, the old status quo will likely resume by movie's end.

Again, do you even Hollywood?

ZariusTwo

07-16-2019, 03:48 PM

Again, do you even Hollywood?

I meant in the sense that Bond is still going to find ways of winning the women over, learn a lesson along the way, become a better character and agent etc. He's not going to be usurped the whole movie. He'll break out of his funk and adapt to survive.

Judi Dench in Goldeneye was male-bashing him in her very first scene. Have people forgotten that?

Shark_Blade

07-16-2019, 06:16 PM

She’s literally not the new lead. We know this.

You’re wrong, sources say she is the lead.

https://www.flyfm.com.my/lashana-lynch-is-the-new-007/And the point of the post goes right over your head...no surprise there.

You don't even know what a shill is. I'm not being one. You are, much like you are with everything. Usually without much elaboration.

Shill it all you want, the old status quo will likely resume by movie's end.Or you just can’t accept others opinions who genuinely like it. Must be sad being you.

Stay pressed then. Change is coming whether you like it or not. :tcool: Many others are embracing it unlike you who’s stuck in the past.

snake

07-16-2019, 09:25 PM

She's not the f*cking lead. She's a side character. This is still a Daniel Craig film.

Shark_Blade

07-16-2019, 10:06 PM

She's not the f*cking lead. She's a side character. This is still a Daniel Craig film.

She is also the lead according to the source. Learn to read.

Xav

07-16-2019, 11:06 PM

You’re wrong, sources say she is the lead.

https://www.flyfm.com.my/lashana-lynch-is-the-new-007/Or you just can’t accept others opinions who genuinely like it. Must be sad being you. Sources also says she's not the lead.

https://www.vox.com/2019/7/15/20695126/lashana-lynch-new-007-james-bond-phoebe-waller-bridge

Andrew NDB

07-16-2019, 11:12 PM

Bond is no longer popular as he was back in the day,

Isn't he? Looking at the box office, Skyfall (the 2nd to last film) made the most money of any Bond film (though I'm a little iffy on the inflation, to be fair) and even the latest one, SPECTRE, which was largely critically panned, made the 2nd most of all.

Now, I'm pragmatic about this. I kind of have always wished the Brocollis had introduced the idea of "James Bond" as a moniker that is passed down from agent to agent. Like, Sean Connery "James Bond" retires or dies, now George Lazenby "James Bond" comes in to assume the same identity, but they all have different real names. Who they were isn't important. There wouldn't even be any need for reboots, ever, as every time a new Bond actor takes over it would basically be that anyway, as it'd be a new character learning the ropes. Plus all that history gets saved.

But the thing is, they didn't do that. With Casino Royale and that (unnecessary, I would argue... "b-b-but what about Austin Powers??!" is a horrible reason to jettison decades of Bond history and lore) reboot they doubled down on exactly who James Bond is, and it isn't a moniker. We even got to know some of the Bond family history in "Skyfall." Now, nothing is saying that "007" can't be the thing that is retired from and assumed by other people, but not the name "James Bond." That just isn't the universe they've established.

sdp

07-16-2019, 11:44 PM

They're not going to make this a permanent change because James Bond is more marketable than 007. Making James Bond black could happen but a woman is losing too much branding.

As far as this new female 007, well either she's the villain or she dies and gives the title back or hell Craig passes the torch to her at the end of the movie marking the end of the Craig 007 continuity and either a new 007 continuity or "continuing" regular 007 continuity after.

No big deal either way.

Andrew NDB

07-17-2019, 12:12 AM

As far as this new female 007, well either she's the villain or she dies and gives the title back or hell Craig passes the torch to her at the end of the movie marking the end of the Craig 007 continuity and either a new 007 continuity or "continuing" regular 007 continuity after.

It's very true. It could very well be TPTB playing around a bit with our expectations. As in... we think it's this SJW revenge/misogynistic reversal thing, but she actually ends up being the villain (as you say), a thing that Bond has to confront and destroy -- in the actual film.

Maybe. Maybe.

snake

07-17-2019, 01:49 PM

She is also the lead according to the source. Learn to read.

One misinformed article from a literally who source does not discredit literally everything we’ve known about the production up to this point. Learn reading comprehension.

ZariusTwo

07-17-2019, 01:53 PM

Or you just can’t accept others opinions who genuinely like it. Must be sad being you.

Must be wonderful being this unflinchingly naive and bone dead stupid :lol:

I'm fine with people "liking it" (most of which is just bandwagon shilling), I'm not fine with the way they go about professing how they like it to others

Stay pressed then. Change is coming whether you like it or not. :tcool: Many others are embracing it unlike you who’s stuck in the past.

You do know we're seeing modern age Communism rising in the west right? That's an old practice.

Nothing wrong with being stuck where I am either.

Egon1982

07-20-2019, 01:58 PM

Pathetic pandering to PC SJW Culture Hollywood. have no clue. Look, I am not a HUGE 007 fan. I do like some of the movies, because I love action flicks, Bond is the man's man. There is nothing wrong with men having a franchise of their own. A commentator I followed said the SJW formula for dominating Hollywood is take an established franchise with a predominately male fan base, replace all of the strong men with women, call anyone who dislikes it names, fail at the box office, blame the fans, rinse and repeat. Wake me up when Hollywood is done trying to self implode.

here are plenty of movies with strong female leads (Alien and Aliens, Kill Bill, Terminator 1 and 2, Heavy Metal's Taarna story etc) and there is always the option to, I don't know, make something NEW *gasps* Hijacking all of these franchises to make them 'woke' is calculated and egregious. I have never had a problem with Bond. I have enjoyed some of the movies. I did not need to see a female bond. It is OK for men to have something they enjoy. If the tables were turned and someone did a white, female Shaft then people would be screeching from the rooftops (with good reason). or if you did an Alien remake where Ripley is a male then it's just double standards and just as lazy and bad.

No need for a female James Bond as the character himself is designed to me a man, make your own character who is female similar to James Bond and that one is Atomic blonde which is it's own example of a female version of James bond just like Lara Croft is a female version of Indiana Jones that is her own character since 1997.

The glut of all-female remakes like oceans 8 and Ghostbusters is, in my opinion, lazy, disingenuous & harmful towards the push for real diversity even the upcoming Cliffhanger remake which will bomb big time. It's a really cynical, lazy half assed marketing ploy. Why remakes? Give women NEW concepts and scripts, not tired retreads of old male films. women deserve better with their own films like Kill Bill and Atomic Blonde for example.

Sumac

07-20-2019, 04:32 PM

Stay pressed then. Change is coming whether you like it or not. :tcool: Many others are embracing it unlike you who’s stuck in the past.
Someone need to learn history.
Forced changes die out pretty quickly.
Sometimes even 70 years is not enough.
But people "on the right side of history" love to believe they will be different. They are in for the rude awakening.

Voltron

07-21-2019, 07:31 AM

I was wondering if and when you guys would lose your mind over this. It's not as bad as I thought it would be, though. :lol:

ZariusTwo

07-21-2019, 02:07 PM

I was wondering if and when you guys would lose your mind over this. It's not as bad as I thought it would be, though. :lol:

Largely because it appropriates his job, not his character

The Deadman

08-20-2019, 12:13 PM

Bond 25 Receives Official Title: No Time To Die
https://411mania.com/movies/bond-25-titled-time-die-2020-release/

Andrew NDB

08-20-2019, 12:25 PM

Bond 25 Receives Official Title: No Time To Die
https://411mania.com/movies/bond-25-titled-time-die-2020-release/

Eh... not the best possible title, but not the worst either.

ZariusTwo

09-29-2019, 01:42 AM

Bond Day is October 5th, so that might be where they drop the trailer. Also, Sting and Jack Savroetti may be collaberating on the theme

https://twitter.com/marketto007/status/1177195867113172993?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1177195867113172993%7Ctwgr% 5E363937393b636f6e74726f6c&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediae mbed%2Fd9j3bf%3Fresponsive%3Dtrue%26is_nightmode%3 Dfalse

Andrew NDB

11-05-2019, 12:26 AM

Craig gets mad when asked if Phoebe Waller Bridge was a diversity hire:

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/11/daniel-craig-phoebe-waller-bridge-hired-bond-woman-1202187073/

Andrew NDB

11-11-2019, 12:28 PM

Phoebe Waller-Bridge talks her contributions to the movie's script. Also mentions that TPTB were already looking to change the "macho culture" of the franchise before she was ever approached:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/waller-bridge-talks-her-bond-contributions/

Sumac

11-11-2019, 03:18 PM

Yeah, let's get rid of everything that makes Bond "Bond".
Should work wonders, I 'spose.

Andrew NDB

12-02-2019, 11:53 AM

A teaser trailer for the teaser trailer that will drop tomorrow:

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ZariusTwo

12-04-2019, 07:39 AM

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Andrew NDB

12-04-2019, 11:00 AM

Seems OK. Nice to see Blofeld front and center (even though he probably is only in it for 5 minutes).

Probably we should prepare for a lot of... you know, 80 pound women kicking around 250 pound muscled men and such.

ZariusTwo

01-08-2020, 02:58 AM

Hans Zimmer will score the movie

https://variety.com/2020/film/news/hans-zimmer-james-bond-composer-no-time-to-die-1203458908/

ZariusTwo

01-14-2020, 12:02 PM

Billie Ellish will perform the title song

https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a30513052/no-time-to-die-theme-song-billie-eilish/

Andrew NDB

01-14-2020, 12:09 PM

Billie Ellish will perform the title song

https://media3.giphy.com/media/FfpOLxzZu5pldDMf7l/giphy.gif

Sumac

01-14-2020, 02:25 PM

I don't who it is. I hope it will be better than the last one.

ZariusTwo

02-13-2020, 03:39 AM

"No Time To Die" theme song released tomorrow 4PM Pacific

https://twitter.com/billieeilish/status/1227700334652358661

Cure

02-13-2020, 08:06 PM

That theme song is pretty bitching. Billie Eilish was a good choice.

ZariusTwo

02-14-2020, 03:20 AM

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Sumac

02-14-2020, 11:31 AM

Another slow ballad trying to recapture magic of Skyfall.
And another husky emo girl voice. At least it is not a cover.

C'mon, EON, where are energetic and cool themes like Living Daylights, Golden Eye or You Know My Name?

Writing on the Wall is better than this, at least for now. Maybe it'll grow on me, but I doubt so. WotW had unique vocals and this is just another Lana Del Rey wannabe.

ZariusTwo

03-04-2020, 12:20 PM

Movie pushed back to November due to Coronavirus concerns

https://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/no-time-to-die-release-pushed-to-november-amid-coronavirus-fears/

Andrew NDB

03-04-2020, 12:26 PM

Movie pushed back to November due to Coronavirus concerns

https://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/no-time-to-die-release-pushed-to-november-amid-coronavirus-fears/

Shesus, NINE MONTHS? That's some pushback.

oldmanwinters

03-04-2020, 12:31 PM

Maybe we should all just take a summer break from movies.

oldmanwinters

03-09-2020, 08:51 PM

Politics have entered the Brawl!
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/daniel-craig-trump-no-time-to-die-180155292.html

ZariusTwo

09-02-2020, 12:23 PM

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ZariusTwo

09-03-2020, 07:27 AM

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ZariusTwo

10-02-2020, 03:22 PM

And now it's been pushed back to April of 2021

https://deadline.com/2020/10/no-time-to-die-delayed-to-easter-2021-1234590519/

ranger_scout

10-02-2020, 07:13 PM

:cry: :tsad: :(

‘No Time to Die’ Delay Spells Disaster for Struggling Movie Theaters (https://variety.com/2020/film/news/no-time-to-die-movie-theaters-struggle-1234790996/)

Sumac

10-03-2020, 10:48 AM

Guess, it is time to die for movie theatres.

CyberCubed

10-03-2020, 11:11 AM

Why can't they just do digital rentals. I mean it's not that complicated. We're in 2020 not 1999, everyone has streaming online media now.

Leo656

10-03-2020, 06:29 PM

1. No they don't. Some people live in areas with bad service.

2. No money in it, thanks to people like... I'unno... you. :trazz:

Andrew NDB

10-03-2020, 09:04 PM

Outrageous. "We don't trust theaters to keep clean and safe for the people willing to go to the movies so we'd rather wait and release the movie when there won't be any."

Leo656

10-03-2020, 09:11 PM

I admit, I'm morbidly curious to see how the film and TV industries adapt to the fact that the movie theater industry is going to go extinct thanks to COVID.

Like, how are they going to even be able to make films at all when the streaming model 100% guarantees that they won't see a nickel of profit? Obviously blockbusters and super-hero flicks will be hit the hardest, but I just don't see any way at all they can manage to create Very Expensive Content without any money coming in.

I guess rampant product placement and sponsorship is one way to go. Every movie will be branded with a corporate sponsor like a WWE event. Like it'll be "Spider-Man 3, Brought To You By Arby's and Mountain Dew" or something, instead of just "Spider-Man 3".

I'm serious, how the hell are studios going to make films with absolutely zero chance of profit? People don't pay for streaming, they steal it. Not even a modestly-priced movie has any chance of making its budget back on streaming alone, to say nothing of actually turning a profit, that's simply impossible.

This is a real fix. I think "movies" as a thing might just be going away for a while.

Sumac

10-03-2020, 11:35 PM

Maybe it is finally a crisis which will destroy multi-million dollar blockbuster industry and movies will become smaller, with better plot and acting?

Who am I kidding, they will become smaller, but will still have mediocre stories and acting. Just without super expensive CGI.

Hamato Yoshi

10-04-2020, 01:53 AM

Imo , corona will go away by late next yr and back to normal

ZariusTwo

10-04-2020, 03:06 AM

Imo , corona will go away by late next yr and back to normal

To quote Ultron: You're unbearably naïve.

There is no 'normal' anymore.

Andrew NDB

10-04-2020, 03:16 AM

I'm not saying anything new, but it's well past time to treat Coronavirus as if it may be around forever. It might.

All these movie delays into the next year... what are they thinking? That after all of the theaters are forced to shut down for good, everyone is going to open up new ones when Bond and Black Widow come out? These new theaters will just be trusting that this will never happen again and this was a one off thing? There's no way.

Hamato Yoshi

10-04-2020, 03:29 AM

We will see next yr or early '22 , naive thinking or not :ohwell:

ZariusTwo

10-04-2020, 05:01 AM

Bond's delay was the last straw for Cineworld, they're shutting down for the rest of the year

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54407213

sdp

10-04-2020, 11:26 AM

Why can't they just do digital rentals. I mean it's not that complicated. We're in 2020 not 1999, everyone has streaming online media now.
Same as the music industry before, they don't want to trade physical dollars for digital pennies. Some studios have been experimenting as we saw with Trolls and Scoob but they aren't ready to make a commitment. It's inevitable movie theaters as we know them was a dying industry, COVID has only accelerated what the trend seemed to be showing, making more money did not mean more people were going to theaters.

I'm not saying anything new, but it's well past time to treat Coronavirus as if it may be around forever. It might.

All these movie delays into the next year... what are they thinking? That after all of the theaters are forced to shut down for good, everyone is going to open up new ones when Bond and Black Widow come out? These new theaters will just be trusting that this will never happen again and this was a one off thing? There's no way.

Movie studios don't care about movie theaters, they'll release their films when they see they can make back their investments. New movie theaters will open because there's a market and if there's money to be made someone will get into that market.
Clearly people aren't interested in going to the movies, I sure am not. You might be but there's not enough Andrews in the world for movie companies to care.

ZariusTwo

10-15-2020, 08:50 AM

Andrew NDB

10-15-2020, 09:11 AM

The pre-titles will focus exclusively on Madeline Swann, unless you count the gunbarrel, Bond won't be seen until after the titles, a first for the series

https://www.joblo.com/movie-news/no-time-to-die-james-bond-opening-scene

I can't wait to cringe when I'm in nonexistent movie theaters in 2025 because of fear virtue people. Or should we push this to 2026? Probably safer then.

ZariusTwo

10-24-2020, 01:16 PM

Reportedly MGM have lost $30 million to $50 million due to the delays of the film.

Streaming options have been considered

https://variety.com/2020/film/news/james-bond-no-time-to-die-netflix-apple-1234814809/

NinjaPug

10-24-2020, 01:33 PM

If that $600 million figure is true how do you not make that deal?

You're not getting close to that if released next year and you can't keep delaying every 6 months. I don't know that the global box office would even reach $600 million even with a vaccine and that gets split 50/50 with theaters.

CyberCubed

10-24-2020, 01:44 PM

Hopefully it does get a streaming release soon. Not everyone will pay to watch it but they'll make some money at least.

Sumac

10-24-2020, 02:44 PM

At this point streaming might be the only option to make back some of the money wasted on this.

ZariusTwo

10-31-2020, 08:06 AM

I guess now the movie will also now have a dedication to Sir Sean Connery, who died today

CyberCubed

11-02-2020, 01:35 PM

Probably fitting this is likely the last Daniel Craig Bond movie too.

It's time for a clean slate after this.

Sumac

11-03-2020, 02:22 AM

Probably fitting this is likely the last Daniel Craig Bond movie too.

It's time for a clean slate after this.
I am afraid he replace him with a woman, because, "DivErsIty". Or make new Bond weak and effeminate.

ZariusTwo

11-05-2020, 07:56 AM

It's come to light there was a war movie produced by Cubby Broccoli in the 1950s called No Time To Die, directed and written by the team that made a lot of Connery's Bond movies

In America, it was called Tank Force

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Time_to_Die_(1958_film)

Andrew NDB

11-06-2020, 04:19 PM

The "new 007" black lady is complaining that people are being mean to her on the internet, ala Kelly Marie Tran.

https://comicbook.com/movies/news/no-time-to-die-lashana-lynch-details-racist-harassment-007/

Sumac

11-06-2020, 05:35 PM

Boo-hoo-hoo.
When this idiots will learn that Internet is LAWLESS place, with all things its entails, like trolls, psychos and idiots running around?

Or is she trying to get support, because, her paycheck was too small?

Hamato Yoshi

11-08-2020, 03:58 AM

"In memory of Sean and Roger" would be most fitting :cry:

ZariusTwo

11-08-2020, 04:37 AM

Andrew NDB

11-08-2020, 04:42 AM

Wasn't she also whining lately about her role in the movie?

Apparently. In a year there will probably be an interview where she complains why nobody will hire her to be in a movie, and how Hollywood must be intrinsically racist. Etc, etc..

ZariusTwo

11-08-2020, 07:51 AM

Apparently

Yeah, it makes me think the role isn't going to be all that substantial and she's making it known she's pissed at that.

Yeah, she'll be a d*ck to Bond in the way all 'replacement' agents are a d*ck to the protagonists in spy drama double-acts, but it doesn't sound like it's going to be in any way 'empowering' or stands out from the norm of that cliche. In current year, it's not going to 'change the world'.

Coola Yagami

11-08-2020, 10:12 AM

Yeah, it makes me think the role isn't going to be all that substantial and she's making it known she's pissed at that.

Yeah, she'll be a d*ck to Bond in the way all 'replacement' agents are a d*ck to the protagonists in spy drama double-acts, but it doesn't sound like it's going to be in any way 'empowering' or stands out from the norm of that cliche. In current year, it's not going to 'change the world'.

So in other words she'll just act like a bitch to him, but not a woke bitch and won't get to use buzzwords like 'patriarchy'' and whatnot.

ZariusTwo

12-24-2020, 10:42 AM

The current rumoured spoilers

>James Bond and Madeline Swann are attacked by SPECTRE during their honeymoon in Italy. Bond thinks Madeline betrayed him and leaves her.
>Five years later, Bond is recruited by Felix Leiter and his partner Logan Ash (Billy Magnussen) to help the CIA rescue a scientist from SPECTRE in Cuba.
>Bond meets MI6 agent Nomi (Lashana Lynch), who replaced him as 007.
>Bond and CIA agent Paloma (Ana de Armas), Felix's protege, rescue the scientist from a SPECTRE gathering.
>Ash betrays them, kills Felix and Paloma and attempts to leave with the scientist, but Nomi rescues him.
>Bond rejoins the MI6 to avenge Felix and Paloma and learns that Madeline is working for them, and that they have a daughter, Mathilde.
>Bond interrogates Blofeld, who reveals that SPECTRE’s new leader Safin (Rami Malek) is obsessed with Madeline and wants to use a bioweapon made by the scientist to wipe out the human race.
>Ash kidnaps Madeline and Mathilde and take them to Safin's lair on a private island so they will survive his purge.
>Blofeld helps them find the island. Bond and Nomi join forces to infiltrate it in the stealth plane.
>Safin killed Madeleine's mother when she was a child in a failed attempt to kill her father, Mr. White, and young Madeleine shot him.
>Safin saved young Madeleine after she fell into a frozen lake trying to escape and has been obsessed with her ever since.
>Safin has used genetic engineering to maintain his youth, and now plans to use it to reshape humanity to his image.
>Bond disables the bioweapon and kills Safin while Nomi kills Ash and rescues Madeline and Mathilde.
>The four escape as Safin’s lair explodes, and Bond retires to be with his family while Nomi returns to the MI6 as the new 007.

Sumac

12-24-2020, 11:19 AM

Sounds generic, but so most of the Bond plots.
Hopefully execution will deliver, unlike Spectre.

ZariusTwo

01-12-2021, 02:26 PM

https://deadline.com/2021/01/no-time-to-die-release-date-change-2021-covid-pandemic-fall-1234672055/

Expected to be delayed to the fall

Sumac

01-12-2021, 04:26 PM

I wonder how much money they lost with those delays?
Not that it matters, since MGM is to sell itself, but still...

Autbot_Benz

01-21-2021, 08:10 PM

https://deadline.com/2021/01/no-time-to-die-release-date-change-2021-covid-pandemic-fall-1234672055/

Expected to be delayed to the fall

James Bond
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ZariusTwo

01-22-2021, 07:44 AM

James Bond
@007
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NO TIME TO DIE 8 October 2021

My birthday:)

Not expecting it to stay on that date, but fingers crossed I have this to watch on the big day

ZariusTwo

03-14-2021, 04:14 PM

Billie Ellish wins a grammy for the title song

https://deadline.com/2021/03/grammys-2021-movie-winners-billie-eilish-joker-linda-ronstadt-1234714096/

ZariusTwo

03-19-2021, 01:32 PM

Mayhem

03-23-2021, 05:45 AM

Craig is reprising the role one last time tonight as part of BBC's Comic Relief, co-starring Catherine Tate (Doctor Who, The Office)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-56442606

In a nice touch, that means his first and last Bond projects have the initials "C.R"
For anyone who says Craig has no sense of humour, watch this. He couldn't stop himself corpsing when walking off camera for starters heh.

sdp

05-26-2021, 09:49 AM

Amazon will now own MGM / Bond, Prime Video exclusives !

Sumac

05-26-2021, 10:15 AM

MGM was dying for a long time, so their buyout comes as no surprise.
Now I wonder what does it mean for Bond and Stargate?

CyberCubed

05-26-2021, 10:43 AM

Given the current movie is likely Daniel Craig's last Bond as well, it probably will be another 5 years before they get a brand new one up from scratch. The last movie was supposed to come out by 2020 had they not delayed it due to covid all this time.

ZariusTwo

05-26-2021, 11:36 AM

Amazon will now own MGM / Bond, Prime Video exclusives !

The Brocolis still retain creative control, and nothing can be done without their approval

https://news.yahoo.com/why-james-bond-franchise-could-124608093.html

ZariusTwo

05-26-2021, 01:12 PM

Bond to remain theatrical

https://deadline.com/2021/05/james-bond-no-time-to-die-amazon-mgm-acquisition-1234764548/

Sumac

05-26-2021, 07:12 PM

The Brocolis still retain creative control, and nothing can be done without their approval
That's some good news, I guess.

If they keep formula "1 good movie followed by 1 bad movie", I approve.
As long as they won't go full SJW.

The Deadman

07-29-2021, 10:04 AM

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CyberCubed

07-29-2021, 10:27 AM

This movie feels like its been delayed for 10 years.

This is probably Daniel Craig's last Bond movie, so I hope its good.

Sumac

07-29-2021, 11:55 AM

I don't see any scenario where Craig continues to play Bond.
Unless they drown him in money or something.

Andrew NDB

07-29-2021, 08:58 PM

I don't see any scenario where Craig continues to play Bond.
Unless they drown him in money or something.

Every one of the last 3 Bond movies has been touted as his last at one point or another. But it pretty much feels like the it'll be the case this time.

Sumac

07-29-2021, 09:00 PM

Quite sad really.
He made a good Bond, but his material was quite trash in some cases.

ZariusTwo

08-31-2021, 12:17 PM

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ZariusTwo

09-29-2021, 07:50 AM

Spoilers from reddit

Bond dies after M launches a string of misses at Safin's island base. His daughter and ex-wife live on though

Sumac

09-29-2021, 08:32 AM

So there goes current Bond universe or 007 as a White man, if true. Though I don't believe until it is 100% confirmed.

If it is the case, I withhold my judgement until the next movie and Bond actor.

ZariusTwo

09-29-2021, 08:54 AM

if true. Though I don't believe until it is 100% confirmed.

Oh it's real, the source came from a professional critic's spoiler review.

Bond was dying for well half the whole film anyway, as he was poisoned accidentally with infectious nanobots by Swann

Andrew NDB

09-29-2021, 10:59 AM

So there goes current Bond universe or 007 as a White man, if true. Though I don't believe until it is 100% confirmed.

Also, unless we're to believe that there is any strong chance they'll just reboot things the next movie with James Bond starting up from the bottom again ala Casino Royale, this seems like 100% confirmation that 007 and/or "James Bond" will now become a guise that is passed onto a new person every so often.

Will it be a black guy or a woman right away? No, I don't think so. They should already know that the nature of such a change -- killing off a Bond -- is a touchy thing to begin with... risking making the whole property radioactive by doing something hasty on top of that wouldn't be advisable and they'd know that. Not right away, at least.

Sumac

09-29-2021, 12:22 PM

Who knows nowadays?

Holyweird can be hypocritical, but it also can be incredibly dumb as well. Ghostbusters'16 anyone?

ZariusTwo

09-30-2021, 06:39 AM

ZariusTwo

09-30-2021, 11:20 AM

Ending now on Youtube

--PqNyjcIQs

Andrew NDB

09-30-2021, 12:22 PM

All these reviews talking about "this movie really brings Bond into modern times," I've noticed, don't actually elaborate how it does that.

Is it because of the strong, independent woman 007? Is it because the movie kills off the ultimate straight white male as some kind of effigy for pesky straight white males in general? If not, then how?

sdp

09-30-2021, 12:45 PM

I don't know, after all these decades a movie finally kills of Bond? That's fresh and something they had never done. It works here because it's a standalone series of only this bond, they aren't killing the previous bonds.

I think it's cool, I wish my father could've been able to see it since it's something different. He would've been happy at least to have his most hated bond die, well technically to him he wasn't even James Bond. Who knows what will happen with the franchise but I think it's exciting, Daniel Craig had too long of a run despite only being 5 movies.

Movie reviews are worthless nowadays, perhaps they always were but by watching a trailer and getting the opinion of someone you trust is far better than any reactions you see online. People who see the movie before? They always tend to be super positive before the movie comes out. The movie makes some type of political statement? It'll be trashed or loved by those who like/don't like that statement. The movie is made by Marvel? AAA MUST WATCH. DC? SUCKS. Mainstream geek? WE LOVE IT. scifi rehash? SUCKS DONT WATCH. Independent movie? *crickets*

Sumac

09-30-2021, 03:33 PM

I would be OK with killing Bond, if it was not done in this atmosphere of cultural war.
Where Bond's death was just that - a death of a great character in the fun and cool story.

But I guess, I want too much, huh?
So left parasites gonna swarm all over "meaning" about Bond's death and how its time to change him into "crippled trans Latino Black Asian autistic wheelchair bound non-binary Xir Furry".

ZariusTwo

10-01-2021, 10:29 AM

My review

It's definitely got a more restrained feel to it. Bond doesn't go out and conquer any other female other than Swann (and even then, their sex is blink and miss)

Swann is an interesting character let down by an annoying actress. For some reason, she takes Bond back but is content to let him think he isn't the child's father until Safin tells him the girl is his.

Speaking of the villain... he's barely in it. The first half teases a much more interesting plot with Safin vs Spectre...but then does nothing with it, nerfing one of Bond's biggest bads in the process with considerable ease, though at the very least Bond gets the final say on Blofeld's fate, the nanobots do their business, but they only do so because Bond is emotionally compromised and wrings his neck

Safin gets his licks in with a few shots and is the one to poison Bond, but is pretty much a pushover. His men are all wiped out because they happen to be lousy shots and Bond's got plot armour enabled

I will say one thing, Bond's female agent contact in Cuba is someone he should have banged. She's lovable, kickass, draws a fine line between intelligent and somewhat ditzy, she'd have been a perfect female 007, and she had a lot more quirks and range. And she's only in it for ten minutes

I thought for sure that Bond would see a vision of Vesper drowning when he saw Felix's corpse floating in the water, just to draw parallels

Overall judgment is that it's a fun, if predictable, Bond adventure that ties up all the loose ends of Craig's era, Bond is still the lead and gets the lion's share of the action...but even with the ending in mind, it feels very safe because you know, regardless of where we are in the world, Bond keeps us safe, and here he once again does that.

ranger_scout

10-02-2021, 02:37 PM

The film is making big money internationally before its North America debut.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/no-time-to-die-box-office-skyfall-1235024537/

LeotheLateBloomer

10-09-2021, 04:43 AM

So a false rumour on reddit is that

Bond's last words are "No, time to die"

However, what actually happens is

Bond tells Swann that she has "all the time in the world" calling back to Tracy's death from On Her Majesty's Secret Service. The Louis Armstrong song plays at the end when Swann and Bond's daughter drive off

Yup, that's exactly what happens and Swann begins tells her daughter the story of Bond. Also, the end credits said "James Bond will return" which somebody in the audience was in disbelief since we saw him get blown up but I suspected that the explosion pushed him off the building and into the water if this is true. But he got infected by the nanobots so that's something to remember as well.

Really enjoyed the movie. Can't say this was my overall favorite movie in the series but it did not disappoint. Though I'm still not attached to Swann. She's a very bland character and love interest.

ranger_scout

10-09-2021, 10:35 PM

The movie was well worth the wait. I really was on the edge of my seat during so many moments throughout it. There was plenty of good old-fashioned action and excellent Bond Girls and villains.

Craig's Bond really did go out in style. It was very sad to see James die, but he knew it had to happen. At least he and Vesper are now reunited in the afterlife.

ZariusTwo

10-10-2021, 01:43 PM

The movie is underperforming Stateside

https://variety.com/2021/film/box-office/box-office-no-time-to-die-opening-weekend-daniel-craig-1235085585/

Andrew NDB

10-11-2021, 12:28 AM

I enjoyed it but it was pretty joyless as a Bond movie. Ana De Armas was the highlight of the movie but she's only in it for 5 minutes and then you never see her again.

In the end, even if it's well made and it is, it's another Bond movie where there's no gadgets, Bond doesn't womanize at all, they turn Q gay, and the moments of dark humor is super rare. And I was glad they were willing to bring back Blofeld and SPECTRE... I just didn't figure it would be just to immediately destroy them. Surely the idea of SPECTRE was to establish them and Blofeld as ongoing threats and not just something to be mopped up in the new movie.

LeotheLateBloomer

10-11-2021, 12:53 AM

I enjoyed it but it was pretty joyless as a Bond movie. Ana De Armas was the highlight of the movie but she's only in it for 5 minutes and then you never see her again.

With how they advertised the new allies on trailers, I was thinking she was going to return later but nope. It felt like Hobbs and Shaw where Eiza Gonzalez was on the poster only to appear in the movie for 5 minutes. Granted, I don't recall much advertisements for her but still.

Andrew NDB

10-11-2021, 01:11 AM

I really wonder if there was more to Ana's part that was cut. Maybe they DID hook up before the big action scene but they cut it because they decided it was "too yesterday's Bond," or that it took away from the main love interest.

ZariusTwo

10-15-2021, 11:54 AM

Craig admits he likes to hang out in gay bars

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/daniel-craig-gay-bars_n_6167ef42e4b028316c91d709

ZariusTwo

10-21-2021, 03:59 AM

Globally, No Time To Die is now the number two movie in Hollywood, it hits $500 million this weekend

https://deadline.com/2021/10/no-time-to-die-record-box-office-1234859312/

Leo656

10-21-2021, 04:07 AM

Craig admits he likes to hang out in gay bars

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/daniel-craig-gay-bars_n_6167ef42e4b028316c91d709

"Which in turn begs the question... how can a person tell if a British guy IS gay, anyways?" :lol::lol::lol:

R.I.P. Norm MacDonald. You left us too soon, you glorious bastard.

CyberCubed

11-09-2021, 05:00 PM

Jester

11-09-2021, 05:18 PM

Q being a gay homosexual...
As opposed to some form of non-gay homosexual?

ZariusTwo

11-10-2021, 07:06 AM

Because I like to fanedit as a hobby, It occurred to me that if you took the first ten or so minutes of Bond's screentime from NTTD (right up until he forgives Vesper at her grave) and attach it to the end of Spectre as an alternative final scene, you have a much better ending for Craig's whole era.

ZariusTwo

11-10-2021, 10:32 AM

do you have a site of all the fan edits you've done? I've enjoyed some of the ones you've made.

I'll PM you the link

Some edits are available, but not all due to my darn Google drive being locked for copyright, so I apologise in advance if you can't access any links that require 'permission'.

The Bond edit I mentioned will be up soon.

Sumac

11-10-2021, 03:41 PM

Q being a gay homosexual
U WOT M8?

Sorry, but that's just..I don't even...:lol:

Leo656

11-10-2021, 03:43 PM

I figure gay homosexuals probably excel at certain things more than non-gay homosexuals. :lol:

ZariusTwo

11-24-2021, 07:08 AM

Variety claims the film is actually losing money, MGM deny this

https://variety.com/2021/film/news/no-time-to-die-highest-grossing-movie-losing-money-blockbusters-1235111919/

Shark_Blade

11-25-2021, 08:35 PM

I saw the movie today, it was a good sendoff for Daniel Craig's Bond. I never expected them to end a James Bond run like that so it was quite surprising.

Q being a gay homosexual and having a strong black female 007 who don't need no man definitely feel like "pandering to modern times" but I didn't mind it too much. Also it makes sense for Bond not to flirt with other women when he has a woman who has his daughter.

Overall a fitting end to Daniel Craig's tenure as Bond for 15 years. Next movie is definitely going to be a clean slate again.

It’s weird that Bond didn’t even try to motorboat or swim away from the island but instead chose to climb the ladder to the highest point of the fortress and accepting his fate. From the missile explosions it didn’t even reach the waters so his death seems a bit silly for me. :lol:

But ignoring all that, it seems a good end for Bond doing the right thing and sacrificing himself.

D Piddy 1982

11-26-2021, 09:54 AM

It’s weird that Bond didn’t even try to motorboat or swim away from the island but instead chose to climb the ladder to the highest point of the fortress and accepting his fate. From the missile explosions it didn’t even reach the waters so his death seems a bit silly for me. :lol:

But ignoring all that, it seems a good end for Bond doing the right thing and sacrificing himself.

At one point I thought it might be a Dark Knight Rises kinda ending where Bond fakes his death in order to live an "ordinary life".

But I guess he couldn't face never being able to ever again get close to Madeleine or his daughter. He would rather die than live with that.

Shark_Blade

11-26-2021, 09:05 PM

I mean he could’ve make phone calls, just visit them at a distance or behind glass (eventhough it’ll feel like prison). He went through a heartbreak when Vesper died, so in comparison this one is a lot lighter since they’re both still alive tbh.

But I’ll give the man a break since he’s bleeding to death and missiles were coming at him. Sometimes irrational decisions were made under such circumstances.

Andrew NDB

12-03-2021, 11:56 AM

So it's made about 750 million so far. To put into perspective, with the exception of the last two Bond movies (Spectre and Skyfall, which each made around a billion), "No Time To Die" made the most money of any Bond movie before it. More than "Casino Royale," more than "Quantum." So MGM isn't left hurting over this one, for sure.

CyberCubed

12-03-2021, 04:54 PM

That's crazy especially when you remember it was delayed for 2 years and some probably didn't go to theaters to see it either. I also doubt most people knew about the climax or spoiled themselves before hand, so they also probably didn't see it for the hype of the end of Daniel Craig's Bond.

Andrew NDB

12-03-2021, 05:10 PM

That's crazy especially when you remember it was delayed for 2 years and some probably didn't go to theaters to see it either.

It turns out that life, in fact, does go on for most sound-minded people.

Andrew NDB

02-01-2022, 11:32 AM

The Q actor disappointed his gay Q scene wasn't gay enough:

https://comicbookmovie.com/action/james_bond/no-time-to-die-star-ben-whishaw-shares-disappointment-over-the-movies-lgbtq-scene-involving-q-a191681?fbclid=IwAR2S9y-v7Tro00LT-rN-RU0Itma-TLfH1GZMn9wWf9GqH91NQaqgnXNvR9Y#gs.c70f.oba5c8

Sumac

02-01-2022, 01:01 PM

How can he?
Past Quantum of Solace James Bond was very gay.

ZariusTwo

02-04-2022, 04:39 AM

No Time To Die has a total of five BAFTA nominations

https://www.bafta.org/film/awards/2022-nominations-winners

ZariusTwo

03-24-2022, 12:46 PM

Bond's grave can now be found on the Faroe Islands

https://www.timeout.com/news/a-gravestone-dedicated-to-james-bond-has-just-appeared-in-the-faroe-islands-032322

ZariusTwo

05-12-2022, 09:23 AM

Danny Boyle opens up about his abandoned version of the movie, a post-cold war thriller based in modern Russia which explored Bond's origins.

https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/culture/article/danny-boyle-james-bond-plot

superstaff

05-12-2022, 09:55 AM

You know.

I've never been much of a James Bond fan. My ex-boyfriend had me watch basically everything from Connery to Brosnan. I didn't like most of them, though I did find Moonraker very amusing (:lol: I'm ready to get stoned). I watched Skyfall in 2012 after hearing good stuff about it, and I enjoyed it. I still wouldn't say I was a fan of Bond or of Craig's Bond.

But man, when I read the spoilers for No Time to Die, I thought it was the dumbest, most insulting bullcrap in recent film. Well, there's probably worse out there, it's just that as a fan of...things, I still felt offended on behalf of Bond fans. It's really no different than what they did to Luke Skywalker or John Connor, both characters that I do (...or did) love. (For the record, I felt the same way about Sex and the City, another franchise I don't actually care about, though the sequel thing they did recently also felt like a slap in the face to anyone who liked that show.)

Andrew NDB

05-12-2022, 10:43 AM

superstaff

05-12-2022, 11:12 AM

I still say this: all of the reviewers (and I saw this a lot) that said, "Wow, what a great update of James Bond, finally bringing him and the series fully into the modern era"... how, exactly? By emasculating the great alpha male and killing him off? What was in the movie other than that that did that?

I've always seen James Bond as the ultimate male escapist fantasy character, wherein he's got everything: he's witty, charming, smart, quick on his feet, romantic, etc. The adage of 'the men envy him, the women want him' applies.

I've never found that appealing for me, personally. However, I get the appeal for men who like those movies. As you said, emasculating him and killing him off is a huge slap in the face for a character like Bond. As cheesy as it would have been, it would've been better if he had faked his death then driven off into the sunset with his love interest and daughter, because at least it would have had him 'win', and get what he wanted. I don't really see that as a super feasible ending for him either, just better than what NTTD did.