Suicide Squad 2: Gavin O'Connor in talks to write & direct film

[Shark_Blade]

http://comicbook.com/dc/amp/2017/09/06/suicide-squad-2-finds-its-director/

The Accountant director Gavin O'Connor will reportedly take over as writer and director of Suicide Squad 2.

O'Connor, who is still developing a sequel to his Ben Affleck-starring action movie at Warner Bros., is in talks to direct the follow-up to David Ayer's DC Comics adaptation, which Warner hopes to get in front of cameras in 2018, per Variety.

Suicide Squad grossed nearly $750 millions worldwide and won an unprecedented Oscar (Best Makeup & Hairstyling) at the Academy Awards 2017 for superhero movie genre.

[ProphetofGanja]

Hard pass.

I'm still mad that of all the superhero movies, and all the movies nominated in that category that year, Suicide Squad got the Oscar, like wtf

[Redeemer]

Hard pass.

I'm still mad that of all the superhero movies, and all the movies nominated in that category that year, Suicide Squad got the Oscar, like wtf

Yeah its really upsetting that the super-hero movies have been black balled from the oscars until this happened and it was pretty much like giving a dog scraps.....

[Wildcat]

Well the plot didn't make sense in the first but that was really the only problem. It was pretty cool and characters were well portrayed.

Just needs a better storyline. Have the superheroes get caught or something and the suicide squad is enlisted to take out the threat and rescue them.

It was very simple. I don't understand why they complicated it.

[TigerClaw]

The sequel might feature Black Adam as the main villain.
https://www.thewrap.com/suicide-squad-2-the-rock-black-adam-exclusive/

[myconius]

i still have to laugh at Deadshot yelling at Enchantress....

"LADY, you are EVIL!"


Deadshot you kill people for money. who you callin' evil?

[Shark_Blade]

#TBT to Suicide Squad winning the Oscar for Best Achievement in Makeup And Hairstyling for the iconic looks that swept up 2016! #Oscars* #Oscars90*

https://twitter.com/suicidesquadwb/status/969271046791626752

https://i.imgur.com/XWc2VwO.jpg

[PApagreg]

The sequel might feature Black Adam as the main villain.
https://www.thewrap.com/suicide-squad-2-the-rock-black-adam-exclusive/

Remember when Suicide Squad dealt with low level threats and was more a black ops team and it made sense because they were mostly humans with no powers and the ones that had powers and strange mutations could only take down street level heroes. They went from the mentioned to fighting Black Adam one of the most powerful people in the DC universe and has the powers of 7 gods.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

https://www.thewrap.com/james-gunn-suicide-squad-2-for-dc/

Holy Poach Batman! “Guardians of the Galaxy” director James Gunn is in talks to write “Suicide Squad 2” for DC with an eye to direct, TheWrap has exclusively learned.

Gunn was previously fired from Disney’s “Guardians of the Galaxy” franchise.

The first “Suicide Squad,” which starred Will Smith and Margot Robbie, earned nearly $750 million worldwide on a $175 million budget before promotion and advertising.

More to come…

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...edium=referral

Hollywood Reporter confirms he is writing

Gunn has closed a deal to pen the script. At this stage, there is no director deal but talks could proceed depending on the outcome.

Um...

I loved the first Guardians of the Galaxy, and I liked Suicide Squad and GOTG2...

But I don't think Gunn is the right man to improve SS2. His humor brought down GOTG2, and "humor" was already a problem for the first Suicide Squad.

But then again, DC isn't allowed to do dark and gritty movies anymore (just terrible dark and gritty shows on their new subscription), so what do I know? :trolleye:

[Andrew NDB]

So Gunn is basically in for sure and it's going to be called, "The Suicide Squad." With a "mostly" all new cast... probably meaning just Harley and Will Smith.

http://www.darkhorizons.com/gunn-in-talks-to-helm-retooled-suicide-squad/

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

So Gunn is basically in for sure and it's going to be called, "The Suicide Squad." With a "mostly" all new cast... probably meaning just Harley and Will Smith.

http://www.darkhorizons.com/gunn-in-talks-to-helm-retooled-suicide-squad/

And Amanda Waller. I hope they don't recast Viola Davis, she was great.

I'm hoping for Poison Ivy, Deathstroke, Bane... that'd be fun.

[Autbot_Benz]

Snyder and his Wife are executive producers

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/suicide_squad/the_suicide_squad/the-suicide-squad-zack-snyder-will-reportedly-serve-as-an-executive-producer-on-the-sequel-a166174

[Andrew NDB]

I'm hoping for Poison Ivy, Deathstroke, Bane... that'd be fun.

Gah... I love Bane but we need to start with him as a straight up Batman villain before he ends up as an anti-hero in ensembles.

[Krutch]

And Amanda Waller. I hope they don't recast Viola Davis, she was great.

I'm hoping for Poison Ivy, Deathstroke, Bane... that'd be fun.

What? Nah, man. Reunite the classic lineup of Mr Freeze, Bane, and Ivy :tcool:

[MikeandRaph87]

And Amanda Waller. I hope they don't recast Viola Davis, she was great.

I'm hoping for Poison Ivy, Deathstroke, Bane... that'd be fun.

I am for that. Bronze Tiger to play off Deadshot too. He would be better than Katanna as Rick Flagg's right hand. More gray area too. Black Manta or is he in for more devious things?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Gah... I love Bane but we need to start with him as a straight up Batman villain before he ends up as an anti-hero in ensembles.

True, true. But, y'know, most people wouldn't have a problem remembering The Dark Knight Rises. And the main Batman/Bane fight would make a pretty great flashback, similar to the Joker/Harley/Batman flashbacks in the previous movie.

The required buildup isn't much; "I broke the Bat, then the Bat broke me... and left me in Arkham to rot."

And even better, we could then circle back and get a killer Knightfall movie!

Damn, I gotta cut back on the optimism. No way any of that good $hit ever happens. :tlol:

What? Nah, man. Reunite the classic lineup of Mr Freeze, Bane, and Ivy :tcool:

Y'know what? That'd actually be pretty fvcking cool. I've been chomping at the bit to see Ivy, Freeze, and Riddler all get GOOD cinematic portrayals. That Schumacher sh!t was bonkers.

I am for that. Bronze Tiger to play off Deadshot too. He would be better than Katanna as Rick Flagg's right hand. More gray area too. Black Manta or is he in for more devious things?

No way Black Manta happens in SS2; he's absolutely reserved for Aquaman 2, and I predict there won't be much connective tissue between the two franchises.

[Leo656]

I'unno, I like Riddler in general, but I'm not sure he's live-action movie material. Kinda silly, no physical threat, etc. etc.

Like, the second TellTale Batman game was able to present him as a credible threat, but... they kind of had to turn him into Jigsaw from the "Saw" movies, which is... NOT the Riddler. I'd argue that if you have to completely "retrofit" a new personality/gimmick onto an existing character just to make them "presentable" for a wider audience... perhaps they weren't the best choice for the story you're telling.

I mean yeah, I'd love for something to one day eclipse what Carrey gave us, but... well, aside from being a wee bit TOO "Jim Carrey", the whole "Goofy, mincing putz" routine is pretty much who that character is. He's always been portrayed fairly consistently.

I like The Riddler. But I could name at least a dozen Batman Rogues who I'd sooner see fight him on the big screen, just because they'd fit easier.

[MikeandRaph87]

I'unno, I like Riddler in general, but I'm not sure he's live-action movie material. Kinda silly, no physical threat, etc. etc.

Like, the second TellTale Batman game was able to present him as a credible threat, but... they kind of had to turn him into Jigsaw from the "Saw" movies, which is... NOT the Riddler. I'd argue that if you have to completely "retrofit" a new personality/gimmick onto an existing character just to make them "presentable" for a wider audience... perhaps they weren't the best choice for the story you're telling.

I mean yeah, I'd love for something to one day eclipse what Carrey gave us, but... well, aside from being a wee bit TOO "Jim Carrey", the whole "Goofy, mincing putz" routine is pretty much who that character is. He's always been portrayed fairly consistently.

I like The Riddler. But I could name at least a dozen Batman Rogues who I'd sooner see fight him on the big screen, just because they'd fit easier.

I love The Riddler, my favorite Bat Rogue! Its so easy to get him wrong though. I dont see him as shown in Wsr of Jokes and Riddles yet no need to hyperactive in a red wig and light up onesy (looking at you Jim Carey!). The Riddler is also not a serial killer,but a mastermind. Love the Hush angle and even him as a detectuve out for $. I also prefer Eddie locked up in Blackgate because he Penguin, and Catwoman are not insane, or at least should not be presented as such. While I want to see a new theatricial appearance there are still a few Bat Rogues yet to be portrayed on screen. I atill would like to see Mad Hatter, Man-Bat, and Clayface. There is also Hugo Strange and Hush. Firefly and Killer Moth can carry out another rogues orders. Birds of Prey will be worth seeing for the appearances of Black Mask and Mr. Zsasz.

[Leo656]

I love The Riddler, my favorite Bat Rogue!

Any particular reason? I've honestly never heard that one before. Just curious.

[MikeandRaph87]

Any particular reason? I've honestly never heard that one before. Just curious.

Really? I don't go around asking everyone who their favorite DC Comics or Batman Villain is, but The Riddler is mine in both categories and I know I am not alone. There is a old-time poster here HeavyMetalCareBear that is also big on The Riddler. Anyway, I like the color scheme, his sanity with compulsion which makes him strive to be intellectually superior giving Batman a different kind of threat. He is fun as well as gives the possibility for mysteries. Both aspects I like in Batman stories that can be overlooked.

[Leo656]

Nah, just curious brother. :) I've met a lot of people who like the Riddler but honestly haven't had anyone tell me he's their specific favorite. Just wondering what made him stand out for you, and I do believe I have an answer.

I'm a bit silly in that I prefer the old spandex gimmick versus the suit and derby hat, myself. Can't quite explain why, just is what it is. :)

I thought the Hush twist was quite interesting, but it felt like they could've taken it a bit farther than they did before he lost his memory eventually.

They actually did that with Lex not long after, having him figure out Clark was Superman and then they had him forget about it without actually doing anything of substance with it. I feel like sometimes these guys fall in love with these "Shocking Final-Page Reveals!" and don't actually have a follow-up plan, and then if nobody comes up with one in a couple of months they just sweep it under the rug. Frustrating.

[MikeandRaph87]

Nah, just curious brother. :) I've met a lot of people who like the Riddler but honestly haven't had anyone tell me he's their specific favorite. Just wondering what made him stand out for you, and I do believe I have an answer.

I'm a bit silly in that I prefer the old spandex gimmick versus the suit and derby hat, myself. Can't quite explain why, just is what it is. :)

I thought the Hush twist was quite interesting, but it felt like they could've taken it a bit farther than they did before he lost his memory eventually.

They actually did that with Lex not long after, having him figure out Clark was Superman and then they had him forget about it without actually doing anything of substance with it. I feel like sometimes these guys fall in love with these "Shocking Final-Page Reveals!" and don't actually have a follow-up plan, and then if nobody comes up with one in a couple of months they just sweep it under the rug. Frustrating.

As insane as Gotham is there are two villains that you can truly sympathize with. Catwoman and Riddler. No, not Robin Lord Taylor's Penguin. He is great, but no sympathy. Eddie is King Snake/Bane's mind controlled agent. Lost love twice now, and only wants to be recognized for his intellect. As much as I rant while watching it I still root for The Riddler. As much as the final battle costume annoys me and how Carey's actual hair matches Eddie's I did like Batman Forever. Its just the look was wrong. Yes, Frank Gorshin did both the spandex and the suit and boler hat, but the spandex is silly yet cool. A sane and driven intellectual that you can sympathize with and gives a unique challenge. Why is he so hard to write? I recall Bruce Timm mentioning, a majority of the rejected scripts for Batman: The Animated Series were because they had trouble getting The Riddler right. He is hard to do. Mastermind, detective, used sparingly and effectively without a drastic makeover.

[Leo656]

Well, full disclosure, I'm never concerned with whether or not I sympathize with a villain. I don't particularly want to. They're bad guys. :trazz: It's nice if I can understand their motivations but it's by no means necessary. It's nice sometimes, though.

Like with Lex, for example. It's become fashionable in recent years to humanize him, despite everything from the 80s through the early-2000s establishing that he's literally worse than Satan (or Neron, as the case may be). "If I ever HAD a soul, I lost it a long time ago", and all that. The more writers try and make him "someone the reader can relate to", the more they're getting it incorrect, as far as I'm concerned.

Now obviously Riddler isn't anywhere in that area, I was just making a general point about villains in general. :)

AND "truthishly", one of my favorite comics of all time includes a very, VERY good Riddler story that is indeed very sympathetic. Some even say it's the BEST Riddler story. I'unno about that necessarily, but it's written by Neal Gaiman, of all people, so of course it's quite good. And despite what I literally just said above, part of why the book excels is indeed because of how it puts each of the villains in a sympathetic light, moreso than they'd ever been portrayed as up to that point.

I'm sure you've seen THIS one before, haven't you?
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/2/29/Secret_Origins_Special_Vol_2_1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20080522135148

That entire book is FANTASTIC, by the way, and worth tracking down at any price, as it contains what I will forever consider the "definitive" origins of Penguin, Riddler, and Two-Face. It's become somewhat highly-prized and somewhat expensive, due to it containing the VERY first appearance of the Joker after he murdered Jason Todd, so it was quite the hot book when it was fresh.

Must-read for any Batman fan. I personally can't ever put any of the characters' other origin tales above the ones presented in this book. These are the Real Deal, the rest is fanfic. When you read and compare, it's easy to see why.

The Riddler one is the midpoint comic relief, while the Penguin and Two-Face tales are rather dark, but the whole book is balanced very well. Highest Possible Recommendation and a bargain at any price for Bat-Fans.

[MikeandRaph87]

Sure, I dont need smpathy for The Riddler nor do I want it. Mr. Freeze, my second favorite, yes. I just dont like Riddler being 1. a serial killer (only should want to murder Batman) and 2. clearly driven by a compulsion not insane. I find it insulting to the character to be placed in Arkham Asylum.

We are getting off-topic.:trazz: Who is returning in Suicid Squad? They brought in a villain even I never heard of to kill off then there is Captain Boomerang and The Bat Rogues with Rick Flagg.

[Leo656]

I'm not even sure I want him trying to kill Batman. Nashton's never been a bloodthirsty guy, and only ever interested in matching wits in a bid to prove his mental superiority. At least until more recent years, anyway.

The very first time I read a story where Riddler was openly trying to kill anyone - especially Batman - I'm like "Where'd they find this hack writer?" That's not who the character is. It's plainly just done because they ran out of ideas for him, and I find that lazy. He's a little more unique than all that.

Like, the Venom-infused "Jigsaw" ripoff in the TellTale Batman games? Neat character, well-done, but NOT the Riddler. Then again, everyone in those games was OOC as hell.

Anyways, I take thread topics as suggestions. :trazz: I've got not a whole lot to say about Squad 2 at this point, myself.

[MikeandRaph87]

I have read and own the 1989 Secret Origins comic posted above. While Harvey and Oswald's respectivevorigins were referred back to amd I know Penguin's added to, Nashton was used to break the fourth wall to refer to the made for tv villains from Batman'66 all the while hiding out in the city dump. War of Jokes and Riddles where he killed Kite-Man's son in a convulted plan to make The Joker laugh? WHAT? Sure, the demon possessed Riddler or the venomized Riddler in back to back Riddler appearances are fine, excused, and work with Eddie as a conduit. There is just no excuse for hack writers making The Riddler a cold blooded killer. Certain ones should kill sparringly and he is one of them. Penguin should order kills, Mr. Freeze should only if it pertains to preserving the life of his wife
Catwoman should avoid it altogether giving her a purity that can draw Bruce to her.

[Leo656]

I agree with a good bit of that, for sure.

I'm never a fan of "It's just a new interpretation" excuse when they dramatically change things about a character. There's absolutely a line as to how far you can go before it's not the same character anymore. And I don't *think* it's that hard to figure out, most of the time.

There's no skill or craft in taking a B-List or C-list villain and tacking on a bodycount to "modernize" them. That's the epitome of lazy, hack writing.

I liked that story where Riddler was possessed; as you said, that made a bit more sense and still didn't betray the character. It was a good one-off story. I forget, what was the name of it? I know I have at least part of it somewhere, but I can't get into my Batman boxes right now.
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EDIT: Nevermind, you answered my question in the other thread. "Dark Knight, Dark City" was on the tip of my tongue, but I didn't wanna misspeak.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/birds_of_prey/harley-quinn-reportedly-wont-return-in-the-suicide-squad-as-wb-scraps-jared-letos-joker-movies-a166441

Weird times to live in. No Harley in Suicide Squad 2, even though she was arguably one of the best parts in it. But she's shoehorned into Birds of Prey with no Barbara Gordon and a really unathletic and ugly-looking Cassandra Cain. And nobody wants to do Gotham City Sirens.

I get why nobody wants to bring back Jared Leto, but I think erasing the "Damaged" tattoo and reining him in a bit more on set could have given us something really special. If, of course, he'd actually been the villain in the first movie.

Really, for every sensible movie choice the DCEU makes, they follow it up with about a hand's worth of questionable choices. I really gotta stop caring about this $hit. :tlol:

[MikeandRaph87]

Wait...Gotham Sirens does not have Barbara Gordon in it? I was sold on getting Black Mask and Mr. Zsasz,but if there is not Barbara Gordon no sale for me!

[TurtleTitan97]

Wait...Gotham Sirens does not have Barbara Gordon in it? I was sold on getting Black Mask and Mr. Zsasz,but if there is not Barbara Gordon no sale for me!

You mean Birds of Prey, right? Barbara has nothing to do with the Gotham City Sirens.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm OK with no Harley in Suicide Squad 2. She overshadowed the whole first movie... kind of like how she overshadows the whole DCEU now.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm OK with no Harley in Suicide Squad 2. She overshadowed the whole first movie... kind of like how she overshadows the whole DCEU now.

You're not wrong there, but really, Ayer's script and directing didn't do justice to anybody in Suicide Squad except maybe Waller. Harley and Deadshot did well, but that's because of Robbie and Smith.

The only guy who gets killed off was Slipknot? Everybody else walks away free and clear? Oh, and ... holy crap, I forgot the guy's name. Fire dude. Aztec god tattoos everywhere fire dude.

You know who I mean.

Hopefully Gunn actually gives us some surprising deaths in the next Suicide Squad.

[Sumac]

I'm OK with no Harley in Suicide Squad 2. She overshadowed the whole first movie... kind of like how she overshadows the whole DCEU now.
Its more has to do with most other characters being ****** and unimpressive.

[MikeandRaph87]

You mean Birds of Prey, right? Barbara has nothing to do with the Gotham City Sirens.

Its so many movie ideas bouncing around, it makes my jead spin. Yes, I mean Birds of Prey. Is it Batgirl vs Black Mask with Mr Zsasz or not? Sure other characters are involved, but that is eho I want to see.

[Sumac]

Its so many movie ideas bouncing around, it makes my jead spin. Yes, I mean Birds of Prey. Is it Batgirl vs Black Mask with Mr Zsasz or not? Sure other characters are involved, but that is eho I want to see.
I hope it won't be quasi-GRRRRL PWR movie, like Ghostbusters'16.

[Andrew NDB]

Will Smith said "hell naw."

https://variety.com/2019/film/news/will-smith-the-suicide-squad-sequel-exits-1203151442/

[Leo656]

Imagine if ol' Floyd morphed into a white guy offscreen between movies, the way Harvey Dent did between "Batman Returns" and "Batman Forever"? That'd be hilarious.

[Autbot_Benz]

Imagine if ol' Floyd morphed into a white guy offscreen between movies, the way Harvey Dent did between "Batman Returns" and "Batman Forever"? That'd be hilarious.

as long as its not Tommy Lee Jones cackling like an idiot as Deadshot I would be fine with it

[Leo656]

Oh, lord, that was crummy indeed. And I generally like Tommy Lee Jones. But that was a terrible performance.

Thank goodness for Aaron Eckhart, for all of ten goddamn minutes. That entire subplot should have been the third movie where it could actually breathe, and the trilogy should have ended by hammering home the "...live long enough to become the villain" metaphor. Or something. I don't know. I really like the first two Nolan Bat-flicks, and the third I like parts of a lot and some parts not at all. And I really think Two-Face deserved much more space, what with what an amazing job they did with him.

[Andrew NDB]

I thought for sure Two-Face survived TDK. No way he died in that 15 foot drop.

[Leo656]

I thought for sure Two-Face survived TDK. No way he died in that 15 foot drop.

Please submit all the evidence of all the 15+-foot drops onto concrete YOU've walked away from, pally. :trazz:

That was a pretty high tackle he got hit with; given the angle, I'm fairly certain Harvey landed on his head/neck, which from that height would easily cause either a skull fracture or broken neck, depending on what hit first. Bruce was wearing body armor, and landed on top of him, so that kind of gives him some leeway for survival, but Harvey wouldn't have made it.

I mean, in any non-Christopher Nolan action movie, then yes, people generally can survive a fall from any height as long as they don't land on rocks or pointy things. But generally speaking, any unprotected fall higher than about 5 feet off the ground can potentially be fatal.

Y'know, just sayin'. But yeah, I think Nolan just kinda ran out of movie and had to scramble for an ending.

[Candy Kappa]

a 10 feet fall can fracture your spine, so 15' can be deadly if you fall on your head, shoulder or injury your cervical vertebrae. But had he landed on the side or any other position, he'd most likely survived in real life where a script don't demand a cheap cop-out death.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Let's not forget Harvey wasn't taking any meds or antibiotics for all his lovely exposed third-degree burns.

I'll take a quick fall over a lingering death by massive infection, thank you very much.

[Andrew NDB]

OK, OK. But you can't watch that movie and tell me that "death" wasn't played super vaguely. Like, they wanted to leave themselves an out in case they wanted him again.

Nolan makes no bones about having no idea where they would go in any sequel to 1 or 2 at either's completion.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

OK, OK. But you can't watch that movie and tell me that "death" wasn't played super vaguely. Like, they wanted to leave themselves an out in case they wanted him again.

Nolan makes no bones about having no idea where they would go in any sequel to 1 or 2 at either's completion.

You're absolutely right about that.

He could've easily been resurrected or resuscitated in the threequel.

[Leo656]

OK, OK. But you can't watch that movie and tell me that "death" wasn't played super vaguely. Like, they wanted to leave themselves an out in case they wanted him again.

Nolan makes no bones about having no idea where they would go in any sequel to 1 or 2 at either's completion.

Yeah, I literally walked out of the theater expecting that whole bit to just be set-up for Harvey's big return in Part 3. I loved what they did with Two-Face, but it was so perfect that I never in a million years thought they'd "waste" it by only having him be "Two-Face" for ten minutes and then killing him. Years later, I get why they did what they did, but I think that they fell so in love with their version of the Joker that they didn't fully realize what they also had with Harvey. Both of those villains were perfectly-played, but sometimes people are like, "Oh, YEAH, he was also in that movie" because Heath was so overpowering of everything else. If they had a Mulligan, I think they would have kept Two-Face around.

One of the producers was telling the press at the Dark Knight premiere that he wanted to showcase Johnny Depp as The Riddler and Philip Seymour Hoffman as The Penguin in the third film. Just to illustrate that nobody at WB has ever been able to actually plan more than five minutes ahead and then execute. :trazz:

[Sumac]

Completely agree about Two-Face - a very good take on the character has been completely wasted.

[Andrew NDB]

I seem to remember some interviews citing stuff about Nolan having tentative plans for Joker in part 3... perhaps those plans were tied at the hip to Two-Face, and when Ledger died and the idea of recasting Joker became not a good idea, the Two-Face side of the equation went away or "What if Two-Face's death factors into this whole other story we could tell?"

But otherwise ideas they wouldn't have had, had they not had to figure out how to make a Joker-less part 3.

[Sumac]

I seem to remember some interviews citing stuff about Nolan having tentative plans for Joker in part 3... perhaps those plans were tied at the hip to Two-Face, and when Ledger died and the idea of recasting Joker became not a good idea, the Two-Face side of the equation went away or "What if Two-Face's death factors into this whole other story we could tell?"
Yeah, I remember something like that.

Ledger's death certainly messed up their plans for the next part.

[MikeandRaph87]

Andrew is correct. The Dark Knight Rises script had a first draft at the time of Ledger's death and Joker was supposed to be on trial after the events of the Dark Knight and he opposed to Sal Maroni was to splash the acid in Harvey's face and quote, "you either die the hero or live long enough to become the villain" and laugh his way into a solitary cell right afterward. I believe it was all rough plans just like how it was not always set for The Joker to appear as the main villain of The Dark Knight even though the Joker card was shown in the last scene of Batman Begins. I remember rumors of The Penguin having a role alongside Two Face instead of The Joker. There was also the fact the studio wanted The Riddler instead of Bane in The Dark Knight Rises.

Instead we got Bane removed from the grunting stooge to being a philosophical stooge.

I was looking forward to the idea of seeing Black Mask and Mr. Zsasz as the villains of a film,but if Barbara Gordon is not in it, my heart is not into seeing the Brids of Prey film.

Sorry to see Will not reprise his role. He won me over even if he was playing a white character and Will Smith portraying Will Smith. I do wonder what the lineup of the film will be. What notable non-Bat Rogues can be involved?

[Andrew NDB]

lol... they're going to recast Deadshot with Idris Elba?

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/suicide_squad/idris-elba-is-in-talks-to-replace-will-smith-as-deadshot-in-suicide-squad-sequel-a166989?fbclid=IwAR0rgmd5YAB1-qrBwGRVlEWtvotZEINMYxDxuL9q6keD0Jrq0l9ZDZkOwhc

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

lol... they're going to recast Deadshot with Idris Elba?

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/suicide_squad/idris-elba-is-in-talks-to-replace-will-smith-as-deadshot-in-suicide-squad-sequel-a166989?fbclid=IwAR0rgmd5YAB1-qrBwGRVlEWtvotZEINMYxDxuL9q6keD0Jrq0l9ZDZkOwhc

I like Idris, but I'm calling BS on this one.

[Andrew NDB]

I like Idris, but I'm calling BS on this one.

The core article is the Hollywood Reporter.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/idris-elba-replacing-will-smith-suicide-squad-sequel-1191349

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

The core article is the Hollywood Reporter.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/idris-elba-replacing-will-smith-suicide-squad-sequel-1191349

Remind me how their track record is? Is this for real?

[Andrew NDB]

Remind me how their track record is? Is this for real?

Fairly reputable, I guess. About like Deadline.

Also, Joel Kinnaman is out.

https://comicbook.com/dc/2019/03/07/suicide-squad-2-rick-flagg-actor-joel-kinnaman-not-returning

[ProactiveMan]

OK, OK. But you can't watch that movie and tell me that "death" wasn't played super vaguely. Like, they wanted to leave themselves an out in case they wanted him again.

Nolan makes no bones about having no idea where they would go in any sequel to 1 or 2 at either's completion.

I got into an argument after seeing that movie because I didn't think Two-Face was dead. It wasn't obvious - I guess because Batman was OK after the same fall, and Nolan set up a world where you can fall from a ten story building, land on a car with another human being on top of you and walk away with nothing more than a grunt of discomfort and a pained expression on your face.

[Leo656]

I got into an argument after seeing that movie because I didn't think Two-Face was dead. It wasn't obvious - I guess because Batman was OK after the same fall, and Nolan set up a world where you can fall from a ten story building, land on a car with another human being on top of you and walk away with nothing more than a grunt of discomfort and a pained expression on your face.

Yeah, there's a LOT of bullsh*t and nonsense in those movies, in spite of how beloved they are. I love 'em myself - except about 75% of "Rises" - but I maintain that only the first one was "great", while the second and third were mostly carried by stellar acting that made a person overlook the numerous holes in the narrative and general "WTF-ery".

And even the first one has the infamous early scene at the League compound. "I refuse to kill! I'm no executioner!" ((Burns an entire building full of people to the ground, INCLUDING the person he refused to kill, to fully make his point about not killing :lol:))

Great movies, but man, anyone who thinks they're flawless hasn't actually sat down and watched 'em in a while. I gushed over each of them individually when they were fresh, but I've seen them all so many times by now that the bad parts are REALLY bad, in contrast to how good the Really Good parts are. Thankfully, the good outweighs the bad.

I also think Nolan shouldn't even attempt shooting fight scenes. The stuff in "Begins" that was all shot in close and obscured in shadow was clever, and worked to fit the tone AND hide the director's weaknesses in shooting action that's in motion; by the third one an entire army of bad guys are swooping in one at a time like Black Pajama Ninjas and falling down from strikes that missed by three feet. Total farce. Should've given those shots to someone else. The bad fight scenes really hurt the third one; they did an alright job of shooting around it in the first two.

[Autbot_Benz]

New Squad Members (Subject to Change A rewrite could, of course, change things, so keep in mind that none of this is confirmed, it’s just what we’re hearing from sources right now.)

King Shark

Polka Dot Man

Ratcatcher

Peacemaker( Gunn wants Bautista to play him)


http://collider.com/suicide-squad-2-new-characters/?utm_campaign=collidersocial&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter#images

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

New Squad Members (Subject to Change A rewrite could, of course, change things, so keep in mind that none of this is confirmed, it’s just what we’re hearing from sources right now.)

King Shark

Polka Dot Man

Ratcatcher

Peacemaker( Gunn wants Bautista to play him)


http://collider.com/suicide-squad-2-new-characters/?utm_campaign=collidersocial&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter#images

Boy I hope that turns out to be BS. No Ratcatcher or Polka Dot Man, thank you very much.

The others, though... King Shark and Peacemaker? Those could work.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I was thinking about this in traffic this morning, and I think a smart strategy would be to leverage the villains of heroes who aren't going to be in movies for awhile.

Does anyone expect a Man of Steel 2 in their lifetime? Me neither. So how about Metallo for the Suicide Squad?

That Flash movie is gonna stay in Development Hell forever. So bring in Killer Frost and Pied Piper.

Ben Affleck's Batman movie is officially dead (and has been for awhile). So bring in Joe Manganiello's Deathstroke.

Green Lantern will never, ever get a movie. So Tattooed Man.

And nobody's likely to reuse any previous Batman movie's villians, so how about Scarecrow, Bane, and Poison Ivy (who would transition to a Harley Quinn movie, no doubt)?

[Leo656]

Each of those characters require tons more setup to explain than your average El Diablo, buddy. No chance that would work.

And Flash and Green Lantern are way too popular to NOT get their movies made eventually, they're just afraid how to proceed because of the idiot internet nerds who are gonna call everything they do crap just because it's DC/WB. But they're definitely going to happen eventually.

You're kind of not good at this, man. :trazz:

[Sumac]

And Flash and Green Lantern are way too popular to NOT get their movies made eventually, they're just afraid how to proceed because of the idiot internet nerds who are gonna call everything they do crap just because it's DC/WB. But they're definitely going to happen eventually.
It's not problem of Internet nerds that Green Lantern movie was bad and that DC has tarnished their Cinematic (Un)Universe with crap like MOS and BVS.

[Leo656]

You're like a giant barrel of bad opinions.

"Green Lantern" certainly could have been better (although it also could have been much worse), but he's still the most popular DC heroic character outside of Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, and maybe Flash. The ONLY thing stalling their progress on what should be one of their Big Guns, is that they're terrified of what Keyboard Warriors are going to say about it. Otherwise it would have been out by now.

I'm glad I'm not a movie executive. I can't imagine being so terrified of Facebook Memes that I'd stifle myself creatively. But anyways, there will definitely be SOME kind of GL movie sooner rather than later, to say "it's never coming out" is foolish. That's what I was expressing to my good buddy CKD.

Here's your $.02 back.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Each of those characters require tons more setup to explain than your average El Diablo, buddy. No chance that would work.

And Flash and Green Lantern are way too popular to NOT get their movies made eventually, they're just afraid how to proceed because of the idiot internet nerds who are gonna call everything they do crap just because it's DC/WB. But they're definitely going to happen eventually.

You're kind of not good at this, man. :trazz:

Harley Quinn got about ten minutes' worth of flashbacks, all put together, I think.

Devote those same ten minutes to Bane, Metallo, and Killer Frost. Give the others one or two lines of expository background. Hell, Tattooed Man doesn't even have to be explicitly connected to Green Lantern. And nobody needs Poison Ivy's backstory or Scarecrow. We all remember the movies.

I, for one, would be much more interested in characters that it would be a waste to kill off than a bunch of Z-list losers. Kill off two of them, big shock value for the nerds in the know. Instead of Slipknot, the world's most glorified extra.

[Leo656]

Metallo alone would break the budget though. I'm just trying to be practical. Plus, again, he has a LOT of history to cover. And has he ever even been a Squad member? Granted, there's been like 80 versions of the Squad and I don't follow it that closely, but it was kind of created to be a "Z-Lister Showcase" to begin with. Like, people can talk about being underwhelmed by the characters chosen for the first film, but those were all legit picks because they were actually in the books.

I don't want them just throwing in people who can't carry their own movie. That's PART of what it needs to be, sure, but if they could stick to JUST actual Squad members, that'd be great. Guys like Bane, even though he's been a Squad member... he really isn't supposed to be. He's an "A-List or Nothing" type villain, despite how some lazy writers have tried to tinker with that from time to time. He needs to be the main villain in a Batman flick, not a flunky for Poison Ivy or Talia. Or anyone. Bane is a Mastermind, not a flunky.

I think that they had the right idea by starting with the original Ostrander books. Most of those characters have been in multiple versions of the Squad. I'd be fine if they kept the surviving members from the first movie and just added a few replacements. I don't think it makes any sense to throw out the baby with the bathwater. Boomerang's a Squad "lifer" for example, you can't do Squad without Boomerang. And I think at one point they even said they always planned to bring Diablo back, I wouldn't mind seeing that. Harley can gladly go do her own thing, but I don't think we need a whole new team every movie. That's a lot of work for virtually nothing.

Again, just thinking in practical terms.

[Jester]

Enough. Keep it civil or keep it off the boards.

[Voltron]

Seconded. I think we can talk about movies without calling each other names.

[Sumac]

"Green Lantern" certainly could have been better (although it also could have been much worse), but he's still the most popular DC heroic character outside of Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, and maybe Flash. The ONLY thing stalling their progress on what should be one of their Big Guns, is that they're terrified of what Keyboard Warriors are going to say about it. Otherwise it would have been out by now.
Big bad executives are afraid of Keyboard Warriors...surrre...

More like they don't have any idea how to approach GL and just biding their time to finally figure out what they want out of their Cinematic (Un)Universe.

But I wouldn't put too much faith in them - after all they made Snyder the head of DCCU.

[Leo656]

Yeah, god forbid that someone who has actually read a comic book be put in charge of movies based on comic books. It was worth a shot, Lord knows that it had never been done before or since.

With movies like "Ragnarok" passing for "great cinema", that tells me everything I personally need to know about what people in the "casual audience" want from these movies, and it's nothing good.

GL should be very easy. It's only difficult because the material doesn't lend itself to "goofball comedy" in an age when people demand every super-hero movie be a goofball comedy. It doesn't fit that, but if they play it straight and treat it as the darker and more serious story that it generally is, they know they're going to get yelled at again by the nerds who want everything to be silly. And they simply don't want to risk any more negative ink, especially over what would absolutely be the most expensive movie they'd yet attempted.

They already made a comedic GL movie, and it didn't work. But they're afraid to do it the right way because of people who insist that these movies have no business trying to tell serious stories in the first place. If anything, GL is like a much more serious Star Wars, but again, to people who don't read comics, "taking the material seriously" is a mortal sin. Between that and the fact that it's a prohibitively expensive project, it doesn't take a genius to figure out the hold-up.

If they spend $300 million on a movie only for it to under-perform because "it needs to be sillier", that would be a disaster. That IS what they are afraid of and it's why they haven't moved forward. It appears to me that they at least want to get two or three movies in a row that do alright before they take any more big, expensive risks. Which makes perfect sense to me. I'm not in a hurry for it. I promise, right now some hack in a boardroom is trying to pitch it as DC's "Guardians of the Galaxy" even though that's not what it is at all. I'm fine with it taking a long time so long as it gets done properly. GL deserves a proper adaptation, not a copycat screwball farce. We have more than enough of those already.

[Andrew NDB]

Btw, possible dumb question... but has James Gunn actually officially announced he would even direct this movie? I see a lot of articles saying he's officially writing the script and will "probably" direct, and a bunch of articles incorrectly citing that The Hollywood Reporter said he's "officially signed on to direct"... but that's not true. Here's THR article in question:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/james-gunn-talks-direct-suicide-squad-sequel-1181436

It says he was "in talks" to direct the movie. Nothing about officially signing on to direct. So when they're saying he's "going to do both movies" (this and Got3) I'm thinking that just means he's going to finish writing the script for Suicide Squad and that's it.

[Leo656]

I don't think it's important enough to warrant anyone's concern, frankly.

It's not like anyone in the entire world is sitting there with bated breath, agonizing about the eventual fate of the Suicide Squad sequel. I don't think anyone even cares if it comes out. And I say that as someone who enjoyed the first one more than most people did. It was functional and Just Fine for what it was, but if they don't do another one, I think we'll all be okay.

[Sumac]

Yeah, god forbid that someone who has actually read a comic book be put in charge of movies based on comic books. It was worth a shot, Lord knows that it had never been done before or since.

With movies like "Ragnarok" passing for "great cinema", that tells me everything I personally need to know about what people in the "casual audience" want from these movies, and it's nothing good.
People want to have fun movies about colorful characters. The horror.

[Andrew NDB]

It's "a total reboot."

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/suicide_squad/the_suicide_squad/shazam-producer-talks-james-gunns-guardians-return-confirms-the-suicide-squad-is-a-total-reboot-a167189

But I don't think they have any idea what that word means.

[Sumac]

So, like Ang Lee's Hulk and the Incredible Hulk?

[Andrew NDB]

So, like Ang Lee's Hulk and the Incredible Hulk?

Maybe closer to "X-Men Origins: Wolverine" and "The Wolverine."

[Leo656]

"It’s everything you would hope from a James Gunn script and I think that says a lot..."

Thanks for the f*ckin' warning. :lol:

[Autbot_Benz]

Jai Courtney's Captain Boomerang is gonna be in this one

http://collider.com/suicide-squad-2-captain-boomerang-jai-courtney/?utm_campaign=collidersocial&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Jai Courtney's Captain Boomerang is gonna be in this one

http://collider.com/suicide-squad-2-captain-boomerang-jai-courtney/?utm_campaign=collidersocial&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter

Great. More unicorn fvcking jokes. :trolleye:

[Andrew NDB]

So he's going to meet the team for the first time again since this is a "total reboot"? :roll:

You got to love Jai's agent... his career is like, immune to scrutiny, no matter how many blows it takes. Even Will Smith's agent couldn't keep him on the movie, but Jai is still riding.

[TigerClaw]

So he's going to meet the team for the first time again since this is a "total reboot"? :roll:

You got to love Jai's agent... his career is like, immune to scrutiny, no matter how many blows it takes. Even Will Smith's agent couldn't keep him on the movie, but Jai is still riding.
He's one of those actors that just seems to fail upward. and continues to get roles in movies.

[MikeandRaph87]

He's one of those actors that just seems to fail upward. and continues to get roles in movies.

Look at the fact every other movie Ryan Reynolds does bombs and he still gets plenty of work and remains an A list actor.

Are we still getting Killer Croc?

[Leo656]

Croc was perfect, more please.

Boomerang not getting to do much was a disappointment. You CAN'T have the Squad without Boomerang. I feel like if it hadn't already been designed as "Harley Quinn And Her Not-So-Amazing Friends: The Movie", Boomerang's shenanigans could have stolen the show, had he be allowed to actually... y'know... partake in any Shenanigans.

I'm pretty convinced that with this movie, "reboot" isn't actually the right word but that's the word they're using to describe it because it's a word people hear all the time and can understand. It'll probably be as simple as, "It'll have some of the same characters, and you can pretend the last movie happened, or not, because we're not contradicting it but we'll also not be referencing any of it, either."

Not quite "reboot", not quite "do over". More like... "If you liked the last one, Fine, but if not, well, nevermind, here's This One."

[Andrew NDB]

So Idris is in it but NOT playing Deadshot:

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/suicide_squad/the-suicide-squad-idris-elba-will-actually-pay-a-new-character-harley-quinn-confirmed-to-return-a167638

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

So Idris is in it but NOT playing Deadshot:

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/suicide_squad/the-suicide-squad-idris-elba-will-actually-pay-a-new-character-harley-quinn-confirmed-to-return-a167638

Interesting... theories on who he might be playing?

[Andrew NDB]

Interesting... theories on who he might be playing?

Bronze Tiger?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Bronze Tiger?

I read some comments and Bronze Tiger was the first name I saw. Feel stupid for not remembering the character, but he's never really stood out to me. Not like Deadshot or Deathstroke.

[snake]

So that's it huh, we some kinda Suicide Squad 2?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

So that's it huh, we some kinda Suicide Squad 2?

:tlol: Good one, mate.

[MikeandRaph87]

I read some comments and Bronze Tiger was the first name I saw. Feel stupid for not remembering the character, but he's never really stood out to me. Not like Deadshot or Deathstroke.

I know him as the one who was brainwashed by Sensei into murdering Batwoman back in 1979. Aside from that I understand. He is like the anti-hero on the villain team otherwise.

[Andrew NDB]

John Cena up for a part in The Suicide Squad.

http://www.darkhorizons.com/john-cena-eyed-for-the-suicide-squad/

I try to see him in a role on the movie but I... hmm, that's odd. I just can't see him.

[Leo656]

Wow. The desperation is real.

I really, really don't like WB.

[Andrew NDB]

Wow. The desperation is real.

I really, really don't like WB.

I figured you'd like that little gem.

I was going to say that this might be a good indicator that Gunn isn't going to direct... but then I remembered he cast Bautista in GotG.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Wow. The desperation is real.

I really, really don't like WB.

They're probably just trying to cash in on how wrestlers are everyone's favorite new actor (Bautista and the Rock). And his success in Bumblebee. I mean, I think it was a success. I didn't bother watching. :tlol:

[Leo656]

All I could see Cena doing is taking over as Rick Flagg, and frankly I liked the other guy just fine. I really didn't have any issues with the cast in the first one. I actually like the movie and the cast is a big reason why.

I guess they figure they're down one Margot Robbie and one Will Smith, so yeah, they have to scramble for Star Power. In a movie where, ostensibly, several of the characters shouldn't be coming back for sequels anyway, on account of a couple of 'em really ought'a get killed off.

Being a DC fan is tough sometimes, simply because Warner Bros. is just about the single most incompetent entertainment company in the history of the world, regardless of what they're doing. It's a decades-old problem that goes back way before even the first time they put Bugs Bunny in hip-hop gear to try and make him "hip". That's WB in a nutshell; a dude who's well past middle age and bordering on social security, walking around with his baseball hat on backwards, throwing up gang signs and trying to make people think they're not feeble and pathetic.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

All I could see Cena doing is taking over as Rick Flagg, and frankly I liked the other guy just fine. I really didn't have any issues with the cast in the first one. I actually like the movie and the cast is a big reason why.

I guess they figure they're down one Margot Robbie and one Will Smith, so yeah, they have to scramble for Star Power. In a movie where, ostensibly, several of the characters shouldn't be coming back for sequels anyway, on account of a couple of 'em really ought'a get killed off.

That was my thought, too; recast Flag. Don't why they should bother, though; not like Kinnaman is too busy.

No, this WILL still have Harley. It's just Deadshot we're missing.

[Autbot_Benz]

It looks like James Gunn's close friend Micheal "Yondu" Rooker is in talks to play King Shark

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/suicide_squad/the_suicide_squad/gotg-actor-michael-rooker-is-in-talks-to-play-king-shark-in-james-gunns-the-suicide-squad-a168269

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It looks like James Gunn's close friend Micheal "Yondu" Rooker is in talks to play King Shark

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/suicide_squad/the_suicide_squad/gotg-actor-michael-rooker-is-in-talks-to-play-king-shark-in-james-gunns-the-suicide-squad-a168269

Wait, they're casting Mary Poppins in this!?

[Autbot_Benz]

Wait, they're casting Mary Poppins in this!?

I'm King Shark Y'all

[MikeandRaph87]

I'm King Shark Y'all

If Krang ever comes back except for Halloween anniversary announcements will that be your new username?
Who needs King Shark when you have The Shark already?!:ohwell:

[Autbot_Benz]

Peter Capaldi joins the Cast of James Gunn's Suicide Squad.

http://collider.com/the-suicide-squad-cast-peter-capaldi-pete-davidson/?utm_campaign=collidersocial&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter

Shut up and take my money

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Peter Capaldi joins the Cast of James Gunn's Suicide Squad.

http://collider.com/the-suicide-squad-cast-peter-capaldi-pete-davidson/?utm_campaign=collidersocial&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter

Shut up and take my money

Voice actor for CGI character? Bit part?

I dunno, I'm curious and interested, but I doubt he's getting lead billing or anything awesome.

[Andrew NDB]

Margot Robbie in costume spotted on set:

https://screenrant.com/suicide-squad-2-harley-quinn-set-video-photos-new-hair/

[Sumac]

Another part in the never-ending emancipation of Harley Queen and fantabolous "I don't give a ****" reaction of the rest of the world?

[Leo656]

Maybe after this fiasco they'll replace her with Jared Leto. :lol::lol::lol:

[MikeandRaph87]

I just wanted a better lineup of villains. Polka Dot Man? 2 appearances and the 2nd was a joke. Ratcatcher is not a young woman, but a man named Otis Flannegan. Why gender flip? Bronze Tiger, Plastique,Chronos, Poison Ivy, Dr. Light, Killer Frost. Heck, Trickster even though he was not a part of it like Killer Croc was not before. This lineup sucks! Sorry, had to get it out of my system. Maybe we can get a heroclix set based on the comic team.

[ZariusTwo]

This will be Margot Robbie's last film as Harley for a while, as she's burnt out on the role.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9784097/Margot-Robbie-taking-break-playing-Harley-Quinn.html

[Autbot_Benz]

This will be Margot Robbie's last film as Harley for a while, as she's burnt out on the role.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9784097/Margot-Robbie-taking-break-playing-Harley-Quinn.html

Good I am sick of her as Harley myself

[ZariusTwo]

Review is in

https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a36963859/the-suicide-squad-review/

No references to Birds of Prey and no sequel hook building. Perfectly standalone, and all the better for it

[AquaParade]

I will be interested if it's not just DC's Guardians of the Galaxy, with gore. Those films don't do much for me. Glad to see it is doing well though, because they gave Gunn a lot of freedom to do his thing and that's cool.

[ZariusTwo]

That was a good time. I'm not usually impressed by Gunn's Marvel work, but he suits this franchise very well.

I love how absolute zero fs were given about how ridiculous some of the characters were and they trusted the audience to roll with it. Best arc duties are shared by just about everyone as they all had something for you to invest in, find heart-warming, comic, tragic etc.

A few complaints is that, other than How Harley's 'romance' went and figuring out her purpose with the Javelin, which amounted to just 'do the right thing' in the end, there isn't much else the character does that requires them to be there other than audience familiarity. Also they wasted Capaldi, and Waller doesn't get to do much, and only blows one of the Squad up. I did like that she got her come-uppance though, and I'm curious that they don't exactly show what happened to the one who twatted her when we rejoin the team

So did the press say the Peacemaker series was a prequel to hide the fact he makes it out of the movie alive at the very end?

[Andrew NDB]

This will be Margot Robbie's last film as Harley for a while, as she's burnt out on the role.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9784097/Margot-Robbie-taking-break-playing-Harley-Quinn.html

She can call it a break if she wants. There are presently no more Harley Quinn movies on the docket.

[Sumac]

She can call it a break if she wants. There are presently no more Harley Quinn movies on the docket.
What a waste of a good character. And all, because, ****tards wanted to shoehorn "important messages into movies". Well, "go woke, go broke", as they say.

[Andrew NDB]

After Suicide Squad Harley Quinn should have appeared in a low key role in a Batman movie with the Joker, then something like Gotham City Sirens by now. Certainly not Birds of Prey (and a Birds of Prey that doesn't even f***ing have Barbara Gordon???) and certainly not making her some kind of role model for young women or a gravitational force for the DCEU.

Years later and we're only finally now getting a Batman movie and it has nothing to do with any other movies (also, it may end up being a woke thing). Dumb.

[Andrew NDB]

Just saw the movie. First thoughts? That was pretty awesome.

That Ratcatcher chick kind of stole the show a little.

[NinjaPug]

That Peacemaker / Bloodsport competition scene at the camp killed me. I’ll definitely watch the Peacemaker show. Between this and Blockers I think Cena’s got some pretty good comedic acting chops.

Agreed that Ratcatcher stole the show - thought Polka-Dot Man did too.

[CyberCubed]

Movie had a lot of fun scenes mentioned, also when Harley was captured/tortured and then took everyone out in that building in the army base. Those were all great scenes. Harley's character was also at her best in this movie, it also shows how a good director can handle her, she wasn't that interesting in the first movie or the Birds of Prey movie. I think her actress also nailed Harley's smile in this movie too, it looked straight out of the comics or Injustice 2 videogame.

The final Starro boss fight was great. The CG looked really good (this scene will age well even 10 years from now), and I liked the way they took it out.

Only one small thing I didn't like with Amanda Waller being treated like a villain since IMO she would have actually wanted them to go back in the end of the movie. Amanda Waller is supposed to have a good heart under the cold exterior, so I wish that part didn't happen in the movie.

[ZariusTwo]

Annnnnnd it's bombed

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/the-suicide-squad-box-office-opening-jungle-cruise-1234994355/

[CyberCubed]

Covid-19 and HBO Max were the double whammy for theater box office. Or people who just watch it online on illegal streaming websites which is likely millions of people.

[Coola Yagami]

So I take, despite the same actress, this Harley is not the same Harley from the first Suicide Squad/Birds of Prey?

[Andrew NDB]

So I take, despite the same actress, this Harley is not the same Harley from the first Suicide Squad/Birds of Prey?

Definitely is. There just aren't any references to Suicide Squad 1 or Birds of Prey beyond, #1: a pre-existing fondness for Boomerang, and #2: references to her previous boyfriend and what she promised herself afterward. Obviously she only broke up with the Joker in 1 movie and that movie is Birds of Prey.

Annnnnnd it's bombed

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/the-suicide-squad-box-office-opening-jungle-cruise-1234994355/

"... amid challenges posed by the delta variant and a hybrid theatrical-home launch." Well, they're not wrong about the latter. About the former? LOL! Give me a break.

[sdp]

"... amid challenges posed by the delta variant and a hybrid theatrical-home launch." .

They're both the same reason really, "people prefer not to watch the movie in theaters". Now if people don't want to watch on HBO Max that also means people weren't excited about the movie which could be true, for whatever reason DC heroes are not as popular as Marvel ones, there's no "hype" behind them regardless of quality.

[CyberCubed]

So I take, despite the same actress, this Harley is not the same Harley from the first Suicide Squad/Birds of Prey?

It's the same Harley and same Amanda Waller. The movie is clearly a sequel to the first one, there's just no references to it.

In the first movie Harley gets recruited to the Suicide Squad for the first time and meets Amanda Waller, in this movie she's already part of it and knows who she is.

[Leo656]

If it ends up not doing well, one can safely go ahead and say that "Guardians of the Galaxy" wasn't a huge success because of Gunn, but rather, the "safety" inherent in the MCU branding.

You know DC expected his name to sell this movie based on his past Marvel success, but that simply isn't how these things work. There are simply a large audience of people out there who will pay money for anything with "Marvel" on it, sight-unseen, because they like and trust the brand, but won't pay to watch a DC movie, even if one of the more-acclaimed MCU directors is involved and it gets good reviews.

I'm not terribly excited for this one, but I might see it since I still have HBO Max for now. It would be good for everyone if it does well, though. I know DC have informally mentioned giving Gunn more projects after this and "Peacemaker" are done with, but if this doesn't make good money then they might go back that. Especially since he'll be back in the MCU sandbox soon.

[CyberCubed]

If you still have HBO Max watch it right now, it's a good movie. But it probably didn't help that Harley is the only mainstream character in the movie, everyone else is an obscure character or a literal "who" to most people.

[Coola Yagami]

Definitely is. There just aren't any references to Suicide Squad 1 or Birds of Prey beyond, #1: a pre-existing fondness for Boomerang, and #2: references to her previous boyfriend and what she promised herself afterward. Obviously she only broke up with the Joker in 1 movie and that movie is Birds of Prey.



I forgot, Boomerang was still played by the same guy, right?

[sdp]

The first suicide squad was successful and made Harley Quinn into a AAA character. She had existed for over a decade and despite being popular with fans she was a rather niche character. She still made it into the comics but wasn't huge there either. She finally made an appearance once again in the mid 2000s Batman cartoon reboot for an 2 or 3 episodes near the end of its run.

Then the arkham video games happened and they added Harley, they made her wear slutty outfits, the injustice games continued. Her popularity grew immensely among the male fanbase and that spilled over to cosplayers and girl fans who love cosplaying in revealing outfits. All this new attention only got more people to fall in love with the character and she makes it into the movie.

They get hot girl Margot Robbie to play Harley wearing scantily clad outfits and finally the character hits mainstream pop culture success and can be name dropped alongside Batgirl and Catwoman by casuals. Every other girl dresses up as harley for halloween that year. DC loves that they have a new character people are in love with and is also now popular with little girls.

The little girls have their own less pervy version of Harley but DC decides to go all safe route and not miss out on any of that money so they make Harley stop harley from looking too slutty in most of the stuff aimed at older fans as well. In fact they jump into the SJW bandwagon for birds of prey. Suddenly Harley is less popular. DC doesn't understand what's wrong. DC Proceeds to scratch al their plans for DCEU movies in development and reboot again because they have no idea what went wrong.

If you still have HBO Max watch it right now, it's a good movie. But it probably didn't help that Harley is the only mainstream character in the movie, everyone else is an obscure character or a literal "who" to most people.


Suicide Squad is supposed to be characters you have no idea who they are since most of them should end up dead by the end of the story. It should be a marketable story because it's interesting, not because of the actual villains. If you're selling SS by its members then you're doing it wrong but I guess that' show it's been done for the past decade when SS became more popular.

[Coola Yagami]

In fact they jump into the SJW bandwagon for birds of prey. Suddenly Harley is less popular. DC doesn't understand what's wrong. DC Proceeds to scratch al their plans for DCEU movies in development and reboot again because they have no idea what went wrong.



That's the one thing I hate about some pre-existing series turning woke. When it bombs, TPTB legit have zero idea what went wrong because it quite possibly could not have been the wokeness. What's worse, some of then double-down and think the problem was they weren't woke ENOUGH.

[CyberCubed]

They should have made a Harley and Ivy movie. It's not woke if the lesbians are sexual.

[sdp]

That's the one thing I hate about some pre-existing series turning woke. When it bombs, TPTB legit have zero idea what went wrong because it quite possibly could not have been the wokeness. What's worse, some of then double-down and think the problem was they weren't woke ENOUGH.

In general "progressiveness' or whatever you want to call it is great marketing, it gets people talking about the brand whether they love the wokeness or hate it. People who hate it tend to continue to buy the product regardless and some people get it just because of the message. But the overall profits come from the exposure it gets, not so much from the "culture" war people online think is happening.

It's when they actively remove a key part of the IP that they hurt themselves, in this case what was marketable was Harley's sluttyness. She's still popular just not as much. Mix it in with DC mishandling everything and boom. Changing a character's race isn't going to matter for the average person, only fans will rage but being accurate to the source material has never been important for media reaching mainstream audiences, they don't give a ****. It's when they think making a guy Asian will be enough and not caring about the writing that kills it.

But the point is the "go woke go broke" couldn't be more wrong, it's in fact the opposite for the most part. And it's not like I'm a fan of genderbending my fav characters.

[Andrew NDB]

In general "progressiveness' or whatever you want to call it is great marketing

https://tenor.com/view/ray-liotta-laughing-drunk-laugh-gif-5247676.gif

I forgot, Boomerang was still played by the same guy, right?

Yeah.

[sdp]

https://tenor.com/view/ray-liotta-laughing-drunk-laugh-gif-5247676.gif



Yeah.

you literally end up shilling tons of stuff that would've never gotten much attention without their woke message, but because of it people like you share the "news". Controversy is a great marketing tactic that's as old as heck.

[Andrew NDB]

you literally end up shilling tons of stuff that would've never gotten much attention without their woke message, but because of it people like you share the "news". Controversy is a great marketing tactic that's as old as heck.

The fallacy of course is assuming that people fed up with such would go and pay money to see woke stuff they'd way rather just be able to avoid.

[sdp]

Well in terms of marketing I've actually seen how many firms have had super successful campaigns in the last few years, so I'd say you're wrong. Hollywood doesn't care about anyone's politics, they care about money, and they'll chase it, whether it's censoring for soccer moms or putting trannies in their tv shows. It's tinfoil hat conspiracy to think that (((they))) are controlling everything. It's just an example of Occam's razor, there's money there. As soon as this "progressive" fad stops being profitable you'll see it end, and since it's already gone on for a few years I can't see it lasting too much longer. I mean sex sells and eventually it'll be brought back alongside all the other degenerate stuff people love.

[Andrew NDB]

Well in terms of marketing I've actually seen how many firms have had super successful campaigns in the last few years, so I'd say you're wrong. Hollywood doesn't care about anyone's politics, they care about money, and they'll chase it, whether it's censoring for soccer moms or putting trannies in their tv shows. It's tinfoil hat conspiracy to think that (((they))) are controlling everything. It's just an example of Occam's razor, there's money there. As soon as this "progressive" fad stops being profitable you'll see it end, and since it's already gone on for a few years I can't see it lasting too much longer. I mean sex sells and eventually it'll be brought back alongside all the other degenerate stuff people love.

Which are the woke films that ended up super successful?

[LeotheLateBloomer]

This movie was very good. They really held nothing back on the action...boy! Margot Robbie finally nails it as HQ where as in the first SS and Birds of Prey, she was passable. Idris Elba was way better handled and more enjoyable than Will Smith. And Ratcatcher 2 was the heart of the team. When you give James Gunn the keys, he knows how to go all out!

[Sumac]

The first suicide squad was successful and made Harley Quinn into a AAA character. She had existed for over a decade and despite being popular with fans she was a rather niche character. She still made it into the comics but wasn't huge there either. She finally made an appearance once again in the mid 2000s Batman cartoon reboot for an 2 or 3 episodes near the end of its run.
You are definitely living in a different dimension.

Even before Suicide Squad movie, Harley was second most popular character next to Batman, as far as comic books were concerned. She was included into Suicide Squad and was the main attraction of the movie, exactly, because, she was incredibly popular even before it. In fact, she was rather popular even back at the tail end of the 90s, hence her planned appearance in Schumacher's third movie, Batman Triumphant.

And first Suicide Squad movie was a horrible failure. It brought some money, but word of mouth and critic reaction was devastating to a point that it necessitated a "soft reboot".

In general "progressiveness' or whatever you want to call it is great marketing, it gets people talking about the brand whether they love the wokeness or hate it. People who hate it tend to continue to buy the product regardless and some people get it just because of the message. But the overall profits come from the exposure it gets, not so much from the "culture" war people online think is happening.
There is no bad PR in the short run, but when you end up with such a stinker like original Suicide Squad or Birds of Prey, it hurts franchise in the long run. It makes people less trustworthy to whatever **** producers spout about projects. And therefore each next installment will be less profitable than the last. Which we can observe with a new SS movie.

It might be good, but shadow of ****** predecessors kills it. And "progressiveness", while not a the most important reason why this had happened, is one of its ingredients.

But the point is the "go woke go broke" couldn't be more wrong, it's in fact the opposite for the most part. And it's not like I'm a fan of genderbending my fav characters.
Wrong.
Everything that makes fan less trusting towards franchise and its creators are lost money in the long run.

you literally end up shilling tons of stuff that would've never gotten much attention without their woke message, but because of it people like you share the "news". Controversy is a great marketing tactic that's as old as heck.
You do understand that a lot of people are tired from cultural war and would simply avoid this stuff?

I mean sex sells and eventually it'll be brought back alongside all the other degenerate stuff people love.
Sex is degenerate? Virgin found?
Also, what movies, which were strictly marketed as "progressive" were successful in both box-office and beloved by critics?

Fembusters? Charlie's Angels? Terminator: Dumb Fart? Birds of Pretzel? Wonder Woman 2? The Last Jedi?

P.S.
Also your signature is ****ing annoying as it is too big.
I always accidentally click it, when I try to highlight text to better read it.

[CyberCubed]

Isn't James Gunn doing Guardians 3 or am I remembering wrong? I wonder if this movie tanking will affect his career in any way, even though it's not his fault.

[ZariusTwo]

When it comes to the lackluster result of Warner Bros.’ latest The Suicide Squad at $26.5M this past weekend, one can blame the variant, and they can definitely blame HBO Max, but they’ll also need to blame the brand. Several reasons are weighing down on why this well-intended and valiant effort by the studio to improve a damaged franchise went wrong.


While it was a brilliant stroke to bring in the gifted James Gunn, not even he could save DC’s The Suicide Squad. Remember, what I keep saying: Any misfire at the box office, especially of late, always boils down to brand and whether it’s worth people’s time to go out. It is always a challenge for any studio to market a sequel to a movie that many initially regarded as a bad movie, and David Ayer’s Suicide Squad, despite its global box office success of $746.8M, and biggest domestic August debut of all-time at $133.6M, is the Batman v. Superman of DC’s villain cinemaverse (and Birds of Prey with a $33M domestic debut, $84.1M U.S./Canada take and $201.8M WW, didn’t help).

https://deadline.com/2021/08/the-suicide-squad-margot-robbie-james-gunn-opening-weekend-box-office-hbo-max-1234810359/

[CyberCubed]

Honestly the name doesn't help. "Suicide" in the title and the R rating obviously pushes away families or teens/kids wanting to see it. Imagine if instead it was called, "Task Force X" or something like that.

[Sumac]

Honestly the name doesn't help. "Suicide" in the title and the R rating obviously pushes away families or teens/kids wanting to see it. Imagine if instead it was called, "Task Force X" or something like that.
Than you'd have angry autistic parents who brought their kids to R rated movie and complain about it being R rated. Just as always.:lol:

[King Kahn]

It's the same Harley and same Amanda Waller. The movie is clearly a sequel to the first one, there's just no references to it.

In the first movie Harley gets recruited to the Suicide Squad for the first time and meets Amanda Waller, in this movie she's already part of it and knows who she is.

yeah it is a soft reboot. Sort of like the Incredible Hulk Marvel movie.

[King Kahn]

If it ends up not doing well, one can safely go ahead and say that "Guardians of the Galaxy" wasn't a huge success because of Gunn, but rather, the "safety" inherent in the MCU branding.

You know DC expected his name to sell this movie based on his past Marvel success, but that simply isn't how these things work. There are simply a large audience of people out there who will pay money for anything with "Marvel" on it, sight-unseen, because they like and trust the brand, but won't pay to watch a DC movie, even if one of the more-acclaimed MCU directors is involved and it gets good reviews.

I'm not terribly excited for this one, but I might see it since I still have HBO Max for now. It would be good for everyone if it does well, though. I know DC have informally mentioned giving Gunn more projects after this and "Peacemaker" are done with, but if this doesn't make good money then they might go back that. Especially since he'll be back in the MCU sandbox soon.

Well I also think Gunn, along with the 'safety' of the MCU, led to the gotg success along with a good cast/script.

The real MCU tests will be The Eternals and Shang Chi in my mind.

[Andrew NDB]

When I read that Gunn could have done Man of Steel 2 but chose this instead I kind of groaned. He should have.

[Leo656]

When I read that Gunn could have done Man of Steel 2 but chose this instead I kind of groaned. He should have.

Eh, nah. I think he's every bit as wrong for Superman as Abrams is, just from a different direction.

Plus no director worth any salt is ever gonna touch a "proper" Superman movie again after both Singer and Snyder's versions didn't prove all-satisfying. Both the "Just Re-do the Reeve Movies" approach and the "Just Make It Like The Comics" approach only halfway hit the mark, because the character means completely different things to different people and every fan is convinced their preference is "correct". So no matter what you do with the character, people will sh*t on it.

Nobody wants to go through what Snyder went through, doing a ton of work and years of research and then making movies that include nods to every version of the character that's ever existed, only for a bunch of people to say "Not enough jokes or getting cats out of trees, you don't love or understand this character!" And why would they? Why would anyone want to try hard on a Superman movie ever again, seeing what trying hard gets you if "the blues aren't blue enough"?

This is why WB has two Black Superman projects in development and will probably do a Supergirl spin-off out of the "Flashpoint" movie, yet they have nothing at all in development by way of a "real" Superman movie. They've given up on the character because there's no way to do it in a way people won't whine about it. And I don't blame them. I might hate what they're doing instead, but I get it. They've automatically created a wall between their projects and criticism, because they get to say "Well, obviously it's completely different from what you expect" right from the jump.

It's like I wouldn't want to see Gunn's take on Superman anyway, but there's a reason nobody wants to touch that character anymore. He was right to say no. It wouldn't have done his career one bit of good no matter what he ended up making.

[Andrew NDB]

I doubt Gunn would approach Superman like he would a Guardians film, or Suicide Squad. But we'll never know.

If The Suicide Squad does end up failing... well, I guess it's not the end of the world. Even if it is a rousing success, I'm not sure I'd trust WB to learn the right lessons from it. We need Man of Steel 2, real Batman movies, more Justice League... not, like, a Ratcatcher movie or something.

[ZariusTwo]

The movie has outperformed the Snyder cut on streaming numbers

https://twitter.com/samba_tv/status/1424773107815010312

[oldmanwinters]

Saw it on a whim in a theatre and liked it (surprisingly). It's very much a James Gunn film in the vein of Guardians of the Galaxy but way more irreverent and gratuitous (mostly to a cartoonishly exaggerated level).

[Jester]

I've heard it compared to his earlier stuff, especially his Troma output.

[CyberCubed]

Do you think there will be a sequel? I'm going to say probably not, and James Gunn is back on Marvel after this anyway. And Harley's actress said she doesn't know when or if she'll play the character again as well.

[Andrew NDB]

Do you think there will be a sequel? I'm going to say probably not, and James Gunn is back on Marvel after this anyway. And Harley's actress said she doesn't know when or if she'll play the character again as well.

Of course she doesn't know. How could she? There isn't any new Harley movies in development and the ones that were prior to Birds of Prey's failure (Harley & Ivey, Harley, Harley & Joker, etc.) aren't anymore. She literally can't know.

[sdp]

I watched the Suicide Squad trilogy, I don't even know what thread to bump since all threads seemed tobe discussing the same things. I just liked this one better isnce it shows us an alternate reality.

Suicide Squad 1: This movie has so much style, the story is kinda there, there's characte rmoments, it's just lacking something that makes it all work together which is a shame I don't hate anything about it I just don't think it ever clicked. This movie fired its director right and had a different cut in the end? Perhaps the intended vision would've flowed better? It also didn't feel like a suicide squad.

Birds of Prey: This movie is really boring in the beginning but somehow is able to craft somewhat of an interesting interconnected story towards the end. I almost wanted to like it. Movie needed more style to make it work. I liked the character selection too bad they made them as boring and generic as they could, it feels like those early 2000s movie adaptations that only had characters in name only.

the suicide squad (2): Was this meant to be a reboot? the movie has style, sets the SS concept well and early, it gets a bit slow in the middle. recovers towards the end I woudln't say this is the great movie some people made it out to be, it's flawed as the original even if better